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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, I&#8217;ve been having a lot of fun doing the scamming thing lately.  I can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;ve never really put forth the tiny bit of effort that it requires before now.  So, that&#8217;s one thing that I will be adding to the site, new scam reports.  I&#8217;m not going to do it for every scam [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I&#8217;ve been having a lot of fun doing the scamming thing lately.  I can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;ve never really put forth the tiny bit of effort that it requires before now.  So, that&#8217;s one thing that I will be adding to the site, new scam reports.  I&#8217;m not going to do it for every scam since most of them are pretty trivial and not that entertaining&#8230;so I&#8217;ll most likely wrap a few of them together from time to time in order to get a good post out of it.</p>
<p>This post, to start the Scam series off only contains one scam though&#8230;for the simple fact that I&#8217;ve made it a goal for myself to start including images in most of my posts&#8230;so wanted to start that process now rather than waiting down the line and deciding not to do it&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>So, you all should know about my recent 15 Billion ISK scam, if not&#8230;go read it if you want.  This has gotten me hooked on doing the recruitment scams, and although a lot fail, always bet on stupid.</p>
<p>I normally just chill in the recruitment channel in game, but decided to hit up the recruitment forums themselves this time and it turned out to be a decent choice.  I&#8217;m not sure if I will keep using the forum though, for the simple fact that the Misfits are currently recruiting and I&#8217;m not sure if people posting in their threads would hurt our recruitment that much (maybe maybe not&#8230;it could also work in our favor by turning people towards us that like this kind of thing&#8230;which is of course the type of people we are looking for).</p>
<p>Anyway, I didn&#8217;t have to look very far, as on the first page of the Recruitment Forums I found a mark.  Mr. <a href="http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&amp;threadID=1475968">DingoGS</a>, newly returning player looking for a corp out in 0.0 that is actually similar to the Misfits (he actually might have been a decent addition&#8230;other than the fact he wasn&#8217;t smart enough not to fall for a recruitment scam&#8230;if he had said no to paying me, he&#8217;d probably be a Misfit right now).</p>
<p>To work I go!</p>
<p>note: this is not actually a really interesting story at all&#8230;and is quite boring at some times&#8230;so tl;dr for people that don&#8217;t wanna read it&#8230;I scammed a dude for ~150mil ISK&#8230;and he didn&#8217;t produce many Tears&#8230;that&#8217;s about it.  I&#8217;ll make sure my other ones after this are much more entertaining&#8230;I just wanted to post some pictures for once (and the pictures aren&#8217;t even that impressive&#8230;lol)</p>
<blockquote><p>[ 2011.03.01 23:06:34 ] Cyberin &gt; greetings, just saw your post on the forums<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:07:06 ] Cyberin &gt; we are recruiting at the moment, figured I&#8217;d tell you a bit about us then we can go from there<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:07:08 ] DingoGS &gt; then you know what iam looking for <img src='http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:07:25 ] DingoGS &gt; yup <img src='http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  go ahead, please<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:07:49 ] Cyberin &gt; We currently live in NPC Nullsec (Syndicate) because there&#8217;s plenty of pvp out here, and we don&#8217;t really want the hassle of sov at the moment (not ruled out in the future)<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:08:28 ] Cyberin &gt; we have at least 4-5 ops a week (usually 7 or more), that range from normal roams, to black ops stuff (<em>redacted for OPSEC</em>)<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:08:56 ] Cyberin &gt; we are a member of a good sized alliance and one of the major players in the area of syndicate that we reside in, and a VERY laid back bunch of people<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:09:01 ] Cyberin &gt; fly what you want, do what you want style<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:09:22 ] Cyberin &gt; as well as plenty of knowledgeable people to help learn anything you may have questions about<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:09:56 ] Cyberin &gt; and depending on how you prefer to fly, sometimes we roam in gangs of 5, sometimes we do it in gangs of 40, so there&#8217;s plenty to do<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:10:12 ] DingoGS &gt; what timezone?<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:10:25 ] Cyberin &gt; mostly US, a few euros<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:10:58 ] Cyberin &gt; and to show how active we are, you can check out the killboard if interested http://droog.rwpcomputers.com/<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:11:10 ] DingoGS &gt; (sec, checking)<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:12:49 ] DingoGS &gt; so yall fly BC-BS sized stuff for the most part right?<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:13:02 ] Cyberin &gt; normally BC and below t1/t2<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:13:17 ] Cyberin &gt; sometimes BS (only when we know we can get a fight with them)<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:13:24 ] Cyberin &gt; roams are generally BC and smaller though<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:13:51 ] Cyberin &gt; sometimes when we get bored we&#8217;ll drop some carriers on idiots being stupid in syndicate for lols</p></blockquote>
<p>I find the best thing to do, is get the info out there right away&#8230;and lay it on thick (actually, in this instance&#8230;pretty much all of what I said was true, because that&#8217;s the kind of corp he was looking for), but I tailor whatever I say to whatever the Mark is looking for.</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:14:05 ] DingoGS &gt; nice, what about supplies, im a bit rusty on the map atm, so how do you get supplies in your 0.0 space if yall dont have sov? or its close enough to highsec<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:14:42 ] Cyberin &gt; it&#8217;s about 8 jumps from highsec, and we have a jump freighter pilot and a few carriers for logistics<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:15:17 ] DingoGS &gt; no ship replacement or anything like right?<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:15:29 ] DingoGS &gt; so self sustanied pilots<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:16:00 ] Cyberin &gt; the alliance offers inty and cruiser sized replacement i believe, and on ops the FCs usually tell everyone to give all the loot to people that lose ships<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:16:17 ] Cyberin &gt; so you are expected to be sulf sustained, but normally you&#8217;ll get back something if you die<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:17:26 ] DingoGS &gt; one last thing, you said you have around 4+ ops a week, however, in normal days where are no official ops going on, do yall have like normal gangs roaming around for fun?<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:17:44 ] DingoGS &gt; i mean, aside from normal ops, i guess a normal day i can probably find a gang to have fun with?<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:18:18 ] Cyberin &gt; there are normally people in the alliance roaming around, but we as a corp are actually trying to get some recruits in just for that purpose.</p></blockquote>
<p>Another very important thing to get out is offering logistics services for their gear.  In this case, this person didn&#8217;t actually have much of anything to bring out and needed time later to get stuff ready for movement&#8230;so meh on this guy&#8230;had to settle with what I got in the end&#8230;still better than nothing.</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:19:31 ] DingoGS &gt; its ratting recommended in yalls system? meaning they are not often roamed by other enemy corps/alliances<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:20:06 ] DingoGS &gt; im a awake player, but i dont like to play against odds lolz<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:20:13 ] DingoGS &gt; (im just wondering)<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:20:32 ] Cyberin &gt; there&#8217;s a few systems around here you can rat in yes<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:20:55 ] Cyberin &gt; sometimes we&#8217;ll get some people in our home system that afk just to be annoying, but there&#8217;s like 4-5 other systems around here that are normally pretty empty</p></blockquote>
<p>maybe lies, maybe not&#8230;who knows&#8230;bleh</p>
<blockquote><p>[ 2011.03.01 23:22:31 ] DingoGS &gt; okay, well to be honest it sounds really promising to me, however im not gona rush deciding and im gona wait to see what else i get offered with, i will probably make my decision tomorrow, its that cool with you?<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:23:24 ] Cyberin &gt; yeah, just so you know though, if you do decide, we&#8217;ll need a limited API to review (background check) and we have a security deposit that you&#8217;ll get back after 4 weeks to insure you don&#8217;t steal anything from the corp hangers, etc<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:23:38 ] Cyberin &gt; which is 150mil (because that&#8217;s about what&#8217;s in the hangers at all times)<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:24:38 ] DingoGS &gt; hum, i may have to run some missions b4 joining then lolz, i have to buy my plex to remain playing so i wont have that much just yet<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:26:14 ] DingoGS &gt; probably gona take me 3-4 days to make that much (probably less but hem)<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:26:17 ] DingoGS &gt; meh)</p></blockquote>
<p>have to make sure to get the fact about paying in near the end&#8230;that way they are already thinking about joining and it makes it less of a choice for them to make.  Then, when he said he wanted to wait until tomorrow, I had to add in a bit more stuff to make him happy about it hoping he&#8217;d choose me over someone else.</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:26:23 ] Cyberin &gt; lol, alrighty, we might be able to waive the fee or accept items as collateral for the short term, etc, will have to talk to the boss<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:26:45 ] Cyberin &gt; there&#8217;s just so many people corp stealing these days we had to implement it to keep us safe at least<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:26:52 ] DingoGS &gt; that would be wonderful =p i think i have a scorpion or hurricanes i can use for that lol<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:27:00 ] DingoGS &gt; haha yeah i know, it have always been like this afaik<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:27:20 ] DingoGS &gt; its the only game that i know with so much spying and backstabing and moles<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:27:24 ] DingoGS &gt; but thats what makes it fun<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.01 23:29:05 ] Cyberin &gt; yeah</p></blockquote>
<p>Notice those last two lines right there?  You&#8217;d think with knowing that, he&#8217;d be smart enough not to pay to join a corp.  Oh well, more ISK for me.</p>
<p>Fast forward to today:<br />
<em>(I have removed a bunch of small talk from the rest of this chat log just to shorten it a bit, and it&#8217;s all not really relevant to anything anyway)</em></p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:20:53 ] Cyberin &gt; heya, just checking up to see how the corp search is going<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:21:01 ] DingoGS &gt; hey<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:22:01 ] DingoGS &gt; i am interested in joiningg<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:23:21 ] Cyberin &gt; if you are interested in joining, one sec and i&#8217;ll get you a link to input your API into so i can review it<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:24:30 ] Cyberin &gt; one sec and i&#8217;ll have that link, i seem to have misplaced it, lol<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:24:35 ] DingoGS &gt; lol k<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:26:04 ] DingoGS &gt; Username: DingoPJUser ID: 5487256API Key: 034FCC80273E43F1A570A5A5538DA3BFD017C8D6F4A549F2937F6FCF936B4DFC<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:26:10 ] Cyberin &gt; http://zzj.itf-inc.com/eveapi/audit.php<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:26:11 ] DingoGS &gt; asdf<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:26:13 ] DingoGS &gt; ok<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:26:14 ] Cyberin &gt; or that&#8217;ll work too, lol<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:27:11 ] DingoGS &gt; okay<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:27:16 ] DingoGS &gt; i inputed it</p></blockquote>
<p>API stuff (feel free to check him out if you want to, I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;ll mind <img src='http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> )  I usually get a limited API just so it&#8217;s not an issue with people not wanting to give full APIs.  I also like to check to see what good stuff they have to steal&#8230;though, in order to do that you&#8217;d need a full API&#8230;just depends on my mood if I want full or not.  I went with limited in this case because I knew he was just coming back and might not have much stuff&#8230;so I played it safe.</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:27:29 ] Cyberin &gt; also, talked to the boss and he said it was cool if you don&#8217;t have the isk as the security deposit as long as you have items worth that much to use as collateral for the 4 week stasis period<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:27:50 ] DingoGS &gt; i can give 100 mill isk and a scorpion for the time being<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:27:57 ] DingoGS &gt; i will be broke after that tho lolz<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:28:27 ] Cyberin &gt; alrighty</p></blockquote>
<p>cha-ching</p>
<blockquote><p>[ 2011.03.02 22:30:40 ] DingoGS &gt; ty, one question tho<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:30:47 ] Cyberin &gt; sure<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:30:56 ] DingoGS &gt; if for any reason i want to leave b4 the 4 week period, will i get my stuff back?<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:30:59 ] DingoGS &gt; or i will lose it?<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:31:10 ] DingoGS &gt; (leaving in a proper manner of course)<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:31:29 ] Cyberin &gt; as long as you don&#8217;t steal our stuff yes, you&#8217;ll get it back if you leave (after your roles are dropped)<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:31:50 ] DingoGS &gt; okz and yeah<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:33:04 ] Cyberin &gt; just gimme a short sec while i finish looking over the API <img src='http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:33:10 ] DingoGS &gt; kk <img src='http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:33:18 ] DingoGS &gt; feel free to ask any question</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course I will give your stuff back if you decide to leave.  That would require to to be accepted though&#8230;which, most likely isn&#8217;t gonna happen sad to say.</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:34:27 ] Cyberin &gt; alrighty, everything looks good if you want to go ahead and send the 100mil and contract scorp and put in an app we&#8217;ll get you accepted and in<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:34:45 ] DingoGS &gt; to you?<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:35:19 ] Cyberin &gt; you can contract it to me or the corp, either way is fine&#8230;I can stick it in the security hangers<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:35:20 ] DingoGS &gt; i mean, i send the isk &amp; contract to you?<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:35:27 ] DingoGS &gt; k<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:36:54 ] DingoGS &gt; done<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:38:12 ] Cyberin &gt; got it</p></blockquote>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-470" href="http://handsoff.myloots.com/pictures-worth-100mil-isk-scorpion/dingoscamwallet/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-470" title="Danke" src="http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/dingoscamwallet.jpg" alt="" width="578" height="173" /></a></p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-470" href="http://handsoff.myloots.com/pictures-worth-100mil-isk-scorpion/dingoscamwallet/"></a><a rel="attachment wp-att-471" href="http://handsoff.myloots.com/pictures-worth-100mil-isk-scorpion/dingoscamcontract/"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-471" title="Much Appeciated" src="http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/dingoscamcontract.jpg" alt="" width="490" height="436" /></a></p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:38:25 ] Cyberin &gt; are you ready to move out here now or did you need time to get your stuff together to move?<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:38:53 ] DingoGS &gt; ahm, i would need a bit of time to make isk and get me a ratting drake and some BBs to roam with<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:39:20 ] DingoGS &gt; i just have my missin raven and a cane that its stuck somewhere<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:39:23 ] Cyberin &gt; you&#8217;re API says you have 436,401,326.45 ISK, whatcha need more to buy a drake for, lol <img src='http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p></blockquote>
<p>After this there is all kinds of stuff about him needing a plex and asking about ships to train for, etc&#8230;it&#8217;s way too many lines of boring stuff so I&#8217;m not leaving it on this post that&#8217;s turning out to be a lot more boring that I thought it would be&#8230;but hey&#8230;I have pictures!</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:40:30 ] Cyberin &gt; alrighty, one sec and i&#8217;ll get you accepted, once you get your stuff together let us know and we can jump it down for you<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:45:49 ] Cyberin &gt; ok, well&#8230;since you don&#8217;t have anything else for me to take, I guess now is a good time to tell you that you should NEVER pay people to join a corp&#8230;because it&#8217;s ALWAYS a scam<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:46:05 ] DingoGS &gt; -.-<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:46:47 ] Cyberin &gt; though, i might be obliged to give it back if you can make a good haiku about being scammed<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:47:15 ] DingoGS &gt; =/<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:48:07 ] Cyberin &gt; i&#8217;ll even give you a little advice on how to write it if you don&#8217;t know how <img src='http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:48:08 ] Cyberin &gt; http://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Haiku-Poem<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:48:11 ] DingoGS &gt; sad thing its that i thought it could be =/ but it looked so tempting that i took the risk<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:48:13 ] DingoGS &gt; =/<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:48:28 ] Cyberin &gt; the &#8220;looked so tempting&#8221; part is what should have made you say no<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:48:46 ] Cyberin &gt; but i&#8217;m a nice guy, and i like haiku&#8217;s&#8230;so lets have it <img src='http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:49:00 ] DingoGS &gt; beh, u just wana make more fun out of me<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:49:19 ] Cyberin &gt; i just got 150mil from you, i don&#8217;t need to make any more fun<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:49:34 ] DingoGS &gt; yeah, the same way you wanted to recruit me =/<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:50:08 ] Cyberin &gt; we are actually recruiting, but one of our requirements is not being dumb enough to fall for recruitment scams sadly <img src='http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:50:40 ] DingoGS &gt; beh =/ u cant really expect a player thats coming back to be on guard =/<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:51:17 ] Cyberin &gt; i just recruited someone yesterday that was on guard, so that&#8217;s not entirely true<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:51:25 ] Cyberin &gt; but anyway, haiku&#8230;.really&#8230;get shit back <img src='http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:52:24 ] DingoGS &gt; i took too much humilliation already =/ im not gona give you the pleasure, that i know its just 4 fun<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:52:38 ] DingoGS &gt; maybe stupid once but not twice<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:53:04 ] Cyberin &gt; lol, just for that i&#8217;ll give it back anyway, lol&#8230;<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:53:57 ] DingoGS &gt; so i guess i lost all my chances to be recruited<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:54:04 ] Cyberin &gt; Scorpion<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:54:15 ] DingoGS &gt; lol<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:54:20 ] DingoGS &gt; you really wana take me more money<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:54:23 ] DingoGS &gt; im not that dumb<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:54:30 ] Cyberin &gt; damn, had to make sure <img src='http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:54:42 ] DingoGS &gt; as i said, stupid once, not twice =/<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:54:55 ] Cyberin &gt; but yeah, shot gone&#8230;would be rather awkward being in a corp with people you&#8217;ve scammed&#8230;<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:55:42 ] DingoGS &gt; =/<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:55:55 ] Cyberin &gt; good luck finding a corp though, fly smart o/<br />
﻿[ 2011.03.02 22:56:25 ] DingoGS &gt; have fun scamming ppl i guess =/</p></blockquote>
<p>And done&#8230;I tried to see if he was dumb enough to accept the Scorpion back for $100mil&#8230;alas, he wizened up though&#8230;thanks for the fish Dingo!</p>


<p>No related posts.</p><p><a href="http://handsoff.myloots.com/pictures-worth-100mil-isk-scorpion/" rel="bookmark">A picture&#8217;s worth a 100mil ISK and a Scorpion</a> originally appeared on <a href="http://handsoff.myloots.com">Hands Off, My Loots!</a> on March 2, 2011.</p>
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		<title>Who cares about Sov?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 05:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Welcome to the twenty-fifth installment of the EVE Blog Banter, the monthly EVE Online blogging extravaganza created by CrazyKinux. The EVE Blog Banter involves an enthusiastic group of gaming bloggers, a common topic within the realm of EVE Online, and a week or so to post articles pertaining to the said topic. The resulting articles can [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the twenty-fifth installment of the <a href="http://www.crazykinux.com/2009/05/eve-blog-banters.html" target="_blank">EVE Blog Banter</a>, the monthly EVE Online blogging extravaganza created by <a href="http://www.crazykinux.com/" target="_blank">CrazyKinux</a>. The <a href="http://www.crazykinux.com/2009/05/eve-blog-banters.html" target="_blank">EVE Blog Banter</a> involves  an enthusiastic group of gaming bloggers, a common topic within the  realm of EVE Online, and a week or so to post articles pertaining to the  said topic. The resulting articles can either be short or quite  extensive, either funny or dead serious, but are always a great fun to  read! Any questions about the <a href="http://www.crazykinux.com/2009/05/eve-blog-banters.html" target="_blank">EVE Blog Banter</a> should be directed to <a title="mailto:crazykinux@gmail.com" href="mailto:crazykinux@gmail.com" target="_blank">crazykinux@gmail.com</a>. Check for other EVE Blog Banter articles at the bottom of this post!</p>
<blockquote><p>This month&#8217;s topic comes to us from <a href="http://twitter.com/#%21/TetraEtc" target="_blank">@Tetraetc</a> &#8211; &#8220;<a href="http://tetraetc.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Tetra&#8217;s EVE Blog</a>&#8221; &#8211; who asks: &#8220;Have  Alliances and the sovereignty system limited the amount of PVP and RP  potential in Null sec? Imagine a Null Sec where anyone could build  outposts wherever. Would the  reduction of the alliance game mechanic, and the removal of the  sovereignty game mechanics (or the modification of it from Alliance level  to Corp level for that matter) force more PVP into Null sec, or would  giant power blocs like the NC still form themselves?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>I live in Syndicate, I don&#8217;t know&#8230;and currently don&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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<p>Participants:</p>
<ol>
<li><a href="http://www.crazykinux.com/2011/02/eve-blog-banter-25-and-by-alliance-you.html" target="_blank">CrazyKinux&#8217;s Musing: EVE Blog Banter #25: And by Alliance you mean&#8230;..?</a></li>
<li><a href="http://manasi.eveplayer.net/2011/02/bb25-what-sov-changes-will-come/#axzz1FHJ0jsvM" target="_blank">BB25 What sov changes will come? | A Mule In EvE</a></li>
<li><a href="http://carebearconfessions.blogspot.com/2011/02/alliances-and-sovereignty.html" target="_blank">Confessions of a Closet Carebear: Alliances and Sovereignty</a></li>
<li><a href="http://numtini.dreamhosters.com/2011/02/28/blog-banter-25-nerfing-nulsec/" target="_blank">Blog Banter 25: Nerfing Nulsec « OMG! You&#8217;re a Chick?!</a></li>
<li><a href="http://nitpickins.com/2011/02/28/have-alliances-and-the-sovereignty-system-limited-the-amount-of-pvp-and-rp-potential-in-null-sec/" target="_blank">Have Alliances and the sovereignty system limited the amount of PVP and RP potential in Null sec? | Nitpickin&#8217;s</a></li>
<li><a href="http://sarnelbinora.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/blog-banter-25-alliance-and-sovereignty-limiting-pvp-in-0-0/" target="_blank">Blog Banter #25: Alliance and Sovereignty Limiting PvP in 0.0? | Sarnel Binora&#8217;s Blog</a></li>
<li> <a href="http://madhaberdashers.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/blog-banter-25/" target="_blank">Blog Banter #25 &#8211; Mad Haberdashers</a></li>
<li><a href="http://eveonline.fo-c.us/?p=93" target="_blank">Alliances and sovereignty | Eve Online Focus</a></li>
<li><a href="http://shallwenotrevenge.blogspot.com/2011/02/bb-25-what-if-alliance-vanished.html" target="_blank">&#8230;Shall we not Revenge?: BB 25: What if the Alliance vanished?</a></li>
<li><a href="http://playthegame.serveblog.net/2011/02/28/blog-banter-alliances-and-sov/" target="_blank">Blog Banter: Alliances and Sov</a></li>
<li><a href="http://eveoganda.blogspot.com/2011/02/bb25-sov-n-go.html" target="_blank">EVEOGANDA: BB25: Sov &#8216;n Go!</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.saganexplorations.net/?p=677" target="_blank">» TBG:EBB#25 – Alliances and Sovereignty To Boldly Go</a></li>
<li><a href="http://freebooted.blogspot.com/2011/02/bb25-leviathans-of-deep.html" target="_blank">Freebooted: BB25: Leviathans of the Deep</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.ninveah.com/2011/02/welcome-to-installment-of-eve-blog.html" target="_blank">Wrong Game Tetra ~ Inner Sanctum of the Ninveah</a></li>
<li><a href="http://sebadai.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/eve-blog-banter-25/" target="_blank">EVE Blog Banter #25 – Human nature what art thou? | Way of the Gun</a></li>
<li><a href="../sov/" target="_blank">Who cares about Sov? &#8211; Hands Off, My Loots!</a> ~ well sorta like an entry! :p</li>
<li><a href="http://phoenixdiaries.co.uk/the-25th-eve-blog-banter-alliances-and-sovere" target="_blank">The 25th EVE Blog Banter: Alliances and sovereignty &#8211; The Phoenix Diaries</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.alphaeridani.com/2011/03/space-commute.html" target="_blank">Achernar: The space commute</a></li>
<li><a href="http://eveblog.darkwindonline.org/?p=52" target="_blank">Wandering the Void…my EvE musings. – Blog Banter: Alliances and sovereignty</a></li>
<li><a href="http://gigaer.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/ooc-cks-blog-banter-25-how-to-break-eve/" target="_blank">(OOC) CK’s Blog Banter #25: How To Break EvE. « Prano&#8217;s Journey</a></li>
<li><a href="http://captainserenity.blogspot.com/2011/03/blog-banter-25-crappy-mechanics.html" target="_blank">Captain Serenity: Blog Banter #25 &#8211; Crappy mechanics</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.machine9.net/blog/?p=560" target="_blank">Helicity Boson » Blog Banter #25 Nullsec and sov.</a></li>
<li><a href="http://krispydingo.com/archives/200" target="_blank">BB #25 – “With whom lie the advantages derived from Heaven and Earth?”</a></li>
<li><a href="http://hull-shot.blogspot.com/2011/02/its-end-of-eve-as-we-know-it.html" target="_blank">Boom! Hull-Shot?: It&#8217;s the End of the Eve as We Know It</a></li>
<li><a href="http://sered-sl.blogspot.com/2011/03/eve-blog-banter-25-size-does-matter.html" target="_blank">sered&#8217;s lives: EVE Blog Banter #25 &#8211; Size does matter</a></li>
<li><a href="http://adharkhorin.com/2011/02/25th-eve-bb-medieval-solutions-to-spaceship-problems/" target="_blank">25th EVE BB – Medieval Solutions to Spaceship Problems | Inventions of a New Eden Industrialist</a></li>
<li><a href="http://alignoutbound.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/eve-blog-banter-25-have-alliances-and-sov-limited-pvp-and-rp-in-0-0/" target="_blank">Eve Blog Banter #25: “Have Alliances and Sov Limited PvP and RP in 0.0?” « Align Outbound</a></li>
<li><a href="http://theelitist.net/blog-banter-25-nullsec-pvp-rp/" target="_blank">Banter 25: Sovereignty, Alliances and Power Blocs | TheElitist</a></li>
<li><a href="http://eveblog.allumis.co.uk/?p=312" target="_blank">Blog Banter 25 – But I just left all that! « A Scientist&#8217;s Life in Eve</a></li>
<li><a href="http://handown.wordpress.com/2011/03/04/nobody-likes-losing/" target="_blank">Nobody likes losing « One capsuleer against all</a></li>
<li><a href="http://tightorbit.blogspot.com/2011/03/alliances-and-sov-by-munnys-eyes.html" target="_blank">&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;Vigil Ant: Alliances and SOV by Munny&#8217;s eyes.</a></li>
<li><a href="http://latrosbunker.blogspot.com/2011/03/blog-banter-25-nullsec-and-sov.html" target="_blank">Latro&#8217;s Bunker: Blog Banter 25 -Nullsec and Sov</a></li>
<li><a href="http://podlogs.com/acarebearsjourney/2011/03/01/blog-banner-25-alliances-and-sovereignty-and-their-affect-on-pvp-and-rp/" target="_blank">A &#8220;CareBears&#8221; Journey » Blog Banner #25: Alliances and Sovereignty, and their affect on PVP and RP</a></li>
<li><a href="http://rocwieler.com/2011/03/01/blog-banter-25-unstoppable/" target="_blank">Blog Banter #25 – Unstoppable « Roc&#8217;s Ramblings</a></li>
<li><a href="http://handown.wordpress.com/2011/03/04/nobody-likes-losing/" target="_blank">Nobody likes losing « One capsuleer against all</a></li>
<li><a href="http://evehermit.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/eve-blog-banter-on-pvp-in-null-sec/" target="_blank">EVE Blog Banter on PVP in Null Sec « Evehermit&#8217;s Blog</a></li>
<li><a href="http://sleeplessinspace.blogspot.com/2011/03/blog-banter-25-moar-low-sec.html" target="_blank">Sleepless in Space: Blog Banter #25: Moar Low Sec!</a></li>
<li><em>More to come&#8230;</em></li>
</ol>
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		<title>Misfit Toys is Recruiting</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 00:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Velocity just decided to open up recruitment for Misfit Toys, which makes me happy as I started bugging him about it a little week ago.  While the small group of us that currently make up the Misfits get along very well (we&#8217;ve known each other for a good amount of time in game now), we [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Velocity just decided to open up recruitment for Misfit Toys, which makes me happy as I started bugging him about it a little week ago.  While the small group of us that currently make up the Misfits get along very well (we&#8217;ve known each other for a good amount of time in game now), we decided we needed some more people in corp so we can manage to get some decent gangs of our own from time to time and have fun during the day instead of waiting for nightly alliance ops.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to copy and paste the recruitment message, but instead I&#8217;ll just mention that I am a recruitment officer for the corp and you can contact either myself, Velocity Prime, or Meccros in game; or join the &#8220;Misfit Cafe&#8221; channel if you are interested.  You can find details about what type of pilots were are looking for in VPs post over at <a href="http://velocilogic.squarespace.com/">VelociLogic</a>. (also on <a href="http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&amp;threadID=1474897">EVEO Forums</a>)</p>
<p>And&#8230;for those of you curious if this is another of my  recruitment scams&#8230;I swear you won&#8217;t have to pay anything to join&#8230;so that kinda limits the scam possibilities a bit <img src='http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  (unless of course you are a spy, then there&#8217;s a 100mil ISK fee).</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been busy on my market/hauling alt this week so haven&#8217;t gotten much done in the way of funny stuff to post&#8230;but I did get a little bored and decided to scam someone out of their corporation shares (they were worthless as he was only worth like 100mil&#8230;but meh&#8230;boredom).  It&#8217;s not really funny at all, but here&#8217;s how easy it is to scam people these days.</p>
<p>I <a href="http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&amp;threadID=1474234">found this guy</a> on the EVEO forums while searching for good deals&#8230;and this is what it turned into.</p>
<p>Warning&#8230;this isn&#8217;t funny in anyway, and is probably a pretty boring read&#8230;don&#8217;t say I didn&#8217;t warn you.</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:23:44 ] SupaSekritAlt &gt; heya, i was curious how many shares you had to sell?<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:23:47 ] Batuka &gt; hello<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:23:50 ] Batuka &gt; 900<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:23:58 ] SupaSekritAlt &gt; and how long you&#8217;ve been doing this? current profit margins? etc<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:24:05 ] Batuka &gt; but i think i wil be only selling 800 of them<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:25:06 ] Batuka &gt; i have started today and so far i have made 60 million isk but only been doing for a few hours and i only had 100 mill to start with and i have 90 mill in corp wallet buy orders 60 mill in sell orders and 60 mill in corp wallet from profit</p></blockquote>
<p>Not really much to bother with, but I&#8217;ve already started so I might as well finish.</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:25:47 ] SupaSekritAlt &gt; what are your trading skills like?<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:26:22 ] Batuka &gt; not very good atm but i am going to train them soon as u see i am a skilled mission/pvp toon but am now trying out trading in a stion<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:26:52 ] Batuka &gt; i have every trade skill able to be owned in my hanger atm ready to train<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:26:57 ] Batuka &gt; some already trained</p></blockquote>
<p>hmm&#8230;probably should have lied about that one Batuka&#8230;telling potential investors that your skills suck isn&#8217;t a very good idea.</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:27:38 ] SupaSekritAlt &gt; do you have anything to provide as collateral to prevent against scam?  I&#8217;ve got tons of isk laying around and have been looking for people to invest in, i&#8217;d be willing to do a full 800-900mil, but it&#8217;s a pretty big risk with someone new like yourself</p></blockquote>
<p>Funny enough, this isn&#8217;t a lie.  Also, it&#8217;s always good to make it seem like you are the one that could be scammed&#8230;just makes the whole thing play into your favor just a little bit more.</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:29:35 ] Batuka &gt; well i do not have anythink to give as colateral exept my reputation if i diddnt have a good reputation i would not have any good uisnes for cheap ships if trading was to fail u would be given your isk back and i would give you your investments<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:30:01 ] SupaSekritAlt &gt; that&#8217;s the point, you don&#8217;t have any reputation <img src='http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  lol<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:30:07 ] Batuka &gt; i will be increasing the last 200 shares to 3 mil per share as that way i can control people owning the hsares</p></blockquote>
<p>When he says this, I&#8217;m thinking he&#8217;s trying to scam me now.  It&#8217;s a good tactic, once someone tells you they are in for X amount, you try and get them in for more.  I was very suspicious&#8230;but since I didn&#8217;t plan on paying anything anyway&#8230;it was a rather moot point.</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:30:33 ] SupaSekritAlt &gt; would you be willing to send the shares first to insure i get them and don&#8217;t get scammed?<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:30:41 ] Batuka &gt; exactly with youinvesting in me t will gain my reputation and i can get more investors in long term me getting more isk from the market meaning mor eisk for you</p></blockquote>
<p>My EVE crashes right here&#8230;damn game.</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:33:34 ] SupaSekritAlt &gt; sorry, eve died<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:33:35 ] Batuka &gt; Batuka  investors wanted http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&amp;threadID=1474234&amp;page=1<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:33:46 ] Batuka &gt; Batuka  yes i would be willing to send half you send full ammount of isk i send other half ?<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:34:24 ] SupaSekritAlt &gt; that doesn&#8217;t really keep me from getting scammed, i&#8217;d want all the shares up front, then the isk<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:35:04 ] Batuka &gt; halwell considering if u bought half the shares then i would be at risk of loosing half my corp</p></blockquote>
<p>Now I&#8217;m back to thinking he&#8217;s just an idiot and doesn&#8217;t know much about corp shares. (50% of shares /= 50% of corp).  Oh, and it&#8217;s losing&#8230;not loosing&#8230;jeez.</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:36:16 ] SupaSekritAlt &gt; i could give you my limited API key to see that I actually have the cash and such if you&#8217;d like first? I&#8217;ve got over 18bil in cash right now, and quite a lot more in assets (i&#8217;m a trader myself)<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:36:49 ] Batuka &gt; how about u deposite half the cash then i deposit all shares ?<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:37:24 ] Batuka &gt; how many shares are you wanting ?<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:37:28 ] SupaSekritAlt &gt; that doesn&#8217;t prevent me from getting scammed either.  Shares are worthless until you get the cash, isk isn&#8217;t<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:37:34 ] SupaSekritAlt &gt; i&#8217;ll buy all of them<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:40:28 ] Batuka &gt; ok so 700 mill for 700 then last 200 i was gona rise to 3 mill a piece would you be ok with that ? just so i can invest more isk</p></blockquote>
<p>And again with the price raising&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:40:50 ] Batuka &gt; i weill transfer the shares first but what is there to say you arnt just going to run of with the shares ?<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:41:01 ] SupaSekritAlt &gt; what would i do with worthless shares? lol<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:41:03 ] SupaSekritAlt &gt; and yes, that&#8217;s fine<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:42:03 ] Batuka &gt; 200x 3 = 600 +700 mill isk = 1.3 bill isk kk with that ?<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:42:17 ] SupaSekritAlt &gt; yeah, that&#8217;s fine as long as you make me that 5% a month <img src='http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:43:07 ] Batuka &gt; 5% per month of profit from that month and 15% if left in for 1 year kk ?<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:43:41 ] SupaSekritAlt &gt; sounds good<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:43:44 ] Batuka &gt; atm i will give you 800 shares to keep some for me kk ?<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:44:06 ] Batuka &gt; infact no i will just transfer 900 send me isk for security though<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:44:44 ] SupaSekritAlt &gt; i&#8217;m the one that needs security here, i&#8217;m paying you isk, you are giving me worthless stuff.  It&#8217;s send all or nothing.<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:44:59 ] SupaSekritAlt &gt; (though if you want to keep 100 that is fine)</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m still thinking he&#8217;s a scammer with this&#8230;he keeps trying to change his deal and get me to send him something (scammer desparation, if you can&#8217;t get it all&#8230;get something).  But in the end sends me all his shares (I&#8217;m still not convinced he&#8217;s not trying to scam&#8230;because he sent worthless shares trying to get my ISK&#8230;I would do the same thing).</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:45:22 ] Batuka &gt; ok send me isk<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.26 19:45:52 ] SupaSekritAlt &gt; no, thanks for the shares though <img src='http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p></blockquote>
<p>After he sent the shares and I said I wasn&#8217;t paying he threatened to out me, then said if I give him the shares back he would keep quite, etc.  Went on for about 15 minutes or so while I sat around trying to figure out how to steal his corp from him with the shares.  Turns out after asking in a few channels that I didn&#8217;t know how this mechanic worked either&#8230;I didn&#8217;t know I actually had to be in the corp to start a vote.  So being the nice guy I am (and not wanting this alt burned if I didn&#8217;t have to) I gave him the shares back.</p>
<p>Hopefully he doesn&#8217;t read my blog <img src='http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>


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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m sure most of you have heard me mentioned either on the blog, twitter, in game at the Eve-Bloggers channel, or somewhere else that I can&#8217;t think of that I&#8217;m always trying to get caught up on my Google Reader.  This is because I sit at work and do absolutely nothing all day&#8230;and use that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure most of you have heard me mentioned either on the blog, twitter, in game at the <a href="http://www.evebloggers.com/" target="_blank">Eve-Bloggers channel</a>, or somewhere else that I can&#8217;t think of that I&#8217;m always trying to get caught up on my <a href="reader.google.com" target="_blank">Google Reader</a>.  This is because I sit at work and do absolutely nothing all day&#8230;and use that time to read blogs from my Google Reader (because I can&#8217;t get to many of them directly from work).</p>
<p>I usually update my list 3-4 times a month using a <a href="http://cognitiveindustries.com/OPML/" target="_blank">very nice tool</a> that everyone should use, whether you like to read blogs, or write them yourself.</p>
<p>Recently, I&#8217;ve noticed that some of the blogs I like to read aren&#8217;t on it&#8230;and I have to re-add them every time I update my list, so I figured I&#8217;d put this out there and hope those people read my blog as well and get themselves added.</p>
<p>To get added to this massive EVE Blog list, which I must add is offered by Keith from over at <a href="http://keithneilson.co.uk/" target="_blank">I Am Keith Neilson</a>, just point your browser to <a href="http://cognitiveindustries.com/OPML/addBlog.php" target="_blank">this link</a> and fill out the form.  It&#8217;s pretty straight forward&#8230;then I can add you into my list with minimal effort, and that&#8217;s always good for me.</p>


<p>Related posts:<ol><li><a href='http://handsoff.myloots.com/still-a-packer-blog-that-is/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Still a Packer (Blog that is)'>Still a Packer (Blog that is)</a></li>
</ol></p><p><a href="http://handsoff.myloots.com/readerall/" rel="bookmark">Get on my reader&#8230;all of you!</a> originally appeared on <a href="http://handsoff.myloots.com">Hands Off, My Loots!</a> on February 22, 2011.</p>
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		<title>What’s in my Hanger</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Cyberin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I finally got caught up with my google reader&#8230;and the last post I had starred was one by Rixx Javix about what he&#8217;s got over in his hanger.  This peaked my interest so I decided to checkout what I had across all of my characters (11 of them, not counting anything on my dozen inactive [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finally got caught up with my google reader&#8230;and the last post I had starred was one by <a href="http://eveoganda.blogspot.com/2011/01/whats-in-your-hanger-part-three.html" target="_blank">Rixx Javix</a> about what he&#8217;s got over in his hanger.  This peaked my interest so I decided to checkout what I had across all of my characters (11 of them, not counting anything on my dozen inactive accounts <img src='http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>Located in Cyberin&#8217;s home station, most of these ships are either fit, or waiting to be fit when the currently fit one blows up.  Truthfully, I got a little spendy when I moved out here and I should probably sell quite a few of these since I don&#8217;t really fly some of them all the time.  Seriously&#8230;who needs 6 Vengeances?&#8230;I&#8217;ve only flow it once in the past 3 months&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>Retribution x 4<br />
Vengeance x 6</p></blockquote>
<p>As much as I love frigate hulls, I don&#8217;t use these two ships much.  Why?  Because I&#8217;m not that fond of short range..so the rocket Vengeance is rather meh, and the Retribution only has 1 mid, so I don&#8217;t solo in it.  The Retribution is what I normally take out when we go on frigate roam though if we already have an Inty pilot.</p>
<blockquote><p>Sentinel x 2</p></blockquote>
<p>Haven&#8217;t used them yet as I still need to get the Electronic Attack Ship skill up to lvl 4 for them to be useful, but one of these in a frig gang is always fun.</p>
<blockquote><p>Drake x 4<br />
Harbinger x 8</p></blockquote>
<p>I brought the drakes out for shield fleets, but I actually rather prefer my Shield Harbinger fit&#8230;so, I don&#8217;t use them much.  The Harb is my go-to ship though.  If we are doing an Op and I don&#8217;t know what to bring&#8230;I&#8217;ll most likely be getting in the Harbinger.</p>
<blockquote><p>Abaddon x 2<br />
Apocalypse<br />
Scorpion</p></blockquote>
<p>I actually can&#8217;t fly any of these yet&#8230;the Abaddon&#8217;s and Apoc are left over from selling my Cap character recently, and the Scorpion I bought off a corp mate because he loves me and gave me a good price.</p>
<blockquote><p>Anathema x 3</p></blockquote>
<p>These are normally used to scout Orcan in when I&#8217;m hauling stuff, or when I get bored and decide to go look for a wormhole or something.  They are scan boats&#8230;not much else to say.</p>
<blockquote><p>Arbitrator x 3<br />
Maller x 2</p></blockquote>
<p>The arbitrator is used for lol fleets (took a shield tanked, only ECM drone version out last night).  Maller is bait&#8230;that&#8217;s really all it&#8217;s good for.</p>
<blockquote><p>Ashimmu x 3<br />
Omen Navy Issue x 4<br />
Phantasm<br />
Cruor x 2</p></blockquote>
<p>Must&#8230;have&#8230;shinies.  The Phantasm is still packaged, waiting to be fit&#8230;looking forward to using it because I love my Shield Harb&#8230;so I ship that is normally shield tanked and uses laZors sounds like a good deal.  1 of the Nomens is my ratting ship&#8230;500dps and can get out of dodge if needed&#8230;yes please.  The other ones will be used to get blown up in pvp some day when I get around to it.  And&#8230;when isn&#8217;t an Ashimmu useful?  &lt;3 Neuts&#8230;cruor is there just because it is.  Haven&#8217;t actually used it yet because we haven&#8217;t had a frig fleet with decent numbers since I got them.</p>
<blockquote><p>Crucifier x 20<br />
Executioner<br />
Punisher x 20</p></blockquote>
<p>The Crucifier&#8217;s were brought down as a replacement for my Maledictions before I could fly them.  I greatly overestimated the amount of them that I would lose.  I only ever flew one of them&#8230;need to sell.  (one of them is a throw away cyno ship, though I normally use a drake for that)  Executioner, i have no clue&#8230;don&#8217;t remember buying it.  Punishers&#8230;haven&#8217;t used them yet&#8230;but they are here for maybe t1 frig tourneys or just to screw around in.  Might sell those too. (one of these is also a throw away cyno ship)/</p>
<blockquote><p>Crusader x 5<br />
Malediction x 3</p></blockquote>
<p>I need to trade out some of those Crusader&#8217;s for Malediction&#8217;s because I normally fly them in larger fleets.  I&#8217;ll keep 1-2 Crusader&#8217;s around for small gang work maybe, but I haven&#8217;t gotten the urge to go soloing in one&#8230;maybe I&#8217;ll do that sometime soon.</p>
<blockquote><p>Hound<br />
Purifier x 4</p></blockquote>
<p>Cloaky killing shit is fun&#8230;&#8217;nuff said.</p>
<blockquote><p>Zealot x 2<br />
Broadsword<br />
Devoter<br />
Curse<br />
Guardian<br />
Scimitar</p></blockquote>
<p>These are all also left over from selling my cap character (it was boring), need to sell them off as I can&#8217;t use them (though, plan on training for Zealots sometime in the next few months, so might keep those and the Curse).</p>
<p>Other Ships not at my home base, or on alts:</p>
<blockquote><p>Falcon</p></blockquote>
<p>Orcan doesn&#8217;t just fly Orca&#8217;s anymore.</p>
<blockquote><p>Bestower x5<br />
Badger<br />
Noctis<br />
Crane<br />
Bustard<br />
Shuttle x6</p></blockquote>
<p>Hauling and quick escapes required for living out in Null Sec.  I end up with more bestowers than I need because I buy them on alts to do retarded things like carry a 5K isk module to jita to sell it, and pay 10K isk to contract it to my trade character.</p>
<blockquote><p>Vigil</p></blockquote>
<p>You KNOW what that is for.</p>
<blockquote><p>Primae x 12<br />
Zephyr<br />
Echelon x 12</p></blockquote>
<p>A little collection, sadly&#8230;through all my quiting and starting again, I&#8217;ve lost all my snowballs launchers, Zephyrs, interbus shuttles and sadly even a highsec capital or two from back in the day.</p>
<blockquote><p>Hulk x 2</p></blockquote>
<p>Useful for my &#8220;mining&#8221; corps&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>Caracal x 2<br />
Punisher<br />
Retriever<br />
Thrasher x 2<br />
Blackbird<br />
Cormorant x 2<br />
Rifter x 4<br />
Buzzard</p></blockquote>
<p>Random stuff laying around throughout New Eden.</p>
<p>tl;dr: I need to sell a lot of this shit&#8230;specially when I realize I&#8217;ve got over a Billion worth of ammo in that container, and enough fittings to fit out all these ships 3 times over&#8230;and then some&#8230;I seem to add extra 0s to the number when I buy fittings&#8230;</p>


<p>No related posts.</p><p><a href="http://handsoff.myloots.com/hanger/" rel="bookmark">What&#8217;s in my Hanger</a> originally appeared on <a href="http://handsoff.myloots.com">Hands Off, My Loots!</a> on February 19, 2011.</p>
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		<title>Getting back in the swing of things</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Cyberin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alright, I&#8217;ve been back in game for 2-3 months now so I guess now is a good time to talk about all the changes since I went on my last little leave of absence&#8230;as if anyone actually cares. &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;- First and foremost&#8230;I am no longer in the Ninjas anymore.  Lots of people already know that, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, I&#8217;ve been back in game for 2-3 months now so I guess now is a good time to talk about all the changes since I went on my last little leave of absence&#8230;as if anyone actually cares.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>First and foremost&#8230;I am no longer in the Ninjas anymore.  Lots of people already know that, but I never officially mentioned it.  I finally bit the bullet and decided to join up with <a href="http://velocilogic.squarespace.com/" target="_blank">Velocity Prime</a> and the <a href="http://misfitsineve.com/" target="_blank">Misfit Toys</a> in nullsec.  Truthfully, 0.0 was the one thing in EVE I&#8217;d never tried, and actually never wanted to because cap fights and lag didn&#8217;t sound fun at all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad I did though, because my new alliance, <a href="http://greatergoon.com/" target="_blank">Clockwork Pineapple</a>, is awesome&#8230;and it&#8217;s nothing like the 0.0 I imagined.  There&#8217;s always fights&#8230;plenty of dumb people&#8230;and gives fun scamming possibilities (read my recent post on that if you haven&#8217;t already&#8230;).  The one thing that&#8217;s really cemented it I&#8217;d have to say would be Clockwork.  For anyone that doesn&#8217;t know about them, they were originally in Goons, and a long while ago split off and became their own Alliance&#8230;and as far as I know have no plans to do the Sov Game anytime soon (which is good for me).  So, for those few of you that told me recently I suck because I&#8217;m a goon now&#8230;you are wrong&#8230;I&#8217;m a gRoon&#8230;sort of&#8230;technically I&#8217;m a Droog&#8230;but whatever.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>What else has happened? Lots&#8230;</p>
<p>I bought a Cap character to try out, didn&#8217;t enjoy it that much and am currently selling him as I write this.  I&#8217;m already back up to 5 accounts, though the one with the Cap character will be closed once I sell him off.</p>
<p>Cyb is up to 12.3 Mil SPs (and since I&#8217;ve been playing since 2007&#8230;I&#8217;ve finally decided to stop rerolling since that&#8217;s a far cry from what I SHOULD have right now).</p>
<p>My alts are all doing there thing, scouting, trading, hauling, scamming, infiltrating&#8230;not much details I can give on all that other than to say once I get this Cap character sold, I&#8217;ll be up to a little over 40bil net worth&#8230;it&#8217;s good being rich again.  For those of you that don&#8217;t know&#8230;I used to be a very big time trader before I quit EVE last time, and have started getting back into that, running a few investments for TEARS, etc&#8230;and will probably be expanding my reach in that field a bit more in the short term future as a way to pay for all the expensive ships I want to get blown up.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got so many logs from stuff I&#8217;ve done since I&#8217;ve gotten back, that I&#8217;ve decided I&#8217;m not going to post anything with them&#8230;because looking through 3 months of logs on 5 characters with 5-10 channels open all the time on each results in an amount of effort I am not willing to devote to it.  So, hopefully I&#8217;ll start getting some more Tears and retarded people to post about soonish.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>What am I going to do with Hands Off, My Loots! since I&#8217;m no longer a Ninja?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a good question&#8230;and actually the reason I haven&#8217;t been posting for so long&#8230;trying to figure that out has been a pain.  I want to keep the same humorous/asshattery feel as I&#8217;ve always had&#8230;but realize I no longer have Ninjaing as a way to get those yummy Tears.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you go ninja from time to time, you say?  Well..truthfully, I haven&#8217;t had fun doing it in a while&#8230;the amount of effort it was taking to find people and get them to shoot just got old on me, so I don&#8217;t have any desire to do it in my &#8216;spare&#8217; time (as if I have any with all my alts doing crap).</p>
<p>As a result, the blog will lose it&#8217;s &#8220;Only Ninja Stuff&#8221; theme and become more of a repository for the general asshattery I get up to these days.  Infiltration, scamming, killing sucky people in Nullsec, etc.  I will try my hardest to get lovely Tears out here in Null (it&#8217;s possible), and I&#8217;m sure the recruitment channel will bring quite a few drops to the bucket as well.  Though, from time to time, those industrialists out there might even get a nice update on what I&#8217;m doing on that side of my accounts&#8230;maybe.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s about it for now&#8230;though, if anyone has any ideas on stuff they&#8217;d like to see me talk about (custom requests, wtf?) or try to accomplish that would result in a funny ass blog post&#8230;let me know, I&#8217;d love to cater my asshattedness to special projects of interest to readers.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Oh, one last thing&#8230;I&#8217;m gonna try and get the rest of the Toys to quit slacking&#8230;I&#8217;ve only been active for 2-3 months and I&#8217;m already the alltime killer on the boards&#8230;<a href="http://misfittoys.eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&amp;crp_id=95576&amp;view=pilot_kills">what gives peeps</a>?</p>


<p>No related posts.</p><p><a href="http://handsoff.myloots.com/swing/" rel="bookmark">Getting back in the swing of things</a> originally appeared on <a href="http://handsoff.myloots.com">Hands Off, My Loots!</a> on February 18, 2011.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Cyberin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m working on my post to let everyone know what&#8217;s going on with me in EVE since October or so, it will be out most likely tomorrow&#8230;still putting a few finishing touches on it. In the mean time, I&#8217;d like to invite any of you gamblers at a shot at a prize pool of over [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m working on my post to let everyone know what&#8217;s going on with me in EVE since October or so, it will be out most likely tomorrow&#8230;still putting a few finishing touches on it.</p>
<p>In the mean time, I&#8217;d like to invite any of you gamblers at a shot at a prize pool of over 12.5 Billion ISK in goodies.</p>
<p>Best part is for two of the prizes you don&#8217;t even need to buy any tickets!&#8230;so, spread the word if you love me. (and it&#8217;s completely 3rd party secured, so as much as I&#8217;d like to&#8230;it&#8217;s not a scam).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&amp;threadID=1469250" target="_blank">Link to Lovely Lotto</a></p>


<p>Related posts:<ol><li><a href='http://handsoff.myloots.com/selfless-bump-friend/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Selfless Bump for a Friend'>Selfless Bump for a Friend</a></li>
</ol></p><p><a href="http://handsoff.myloots.com/12b-isk-lotto/" rel="bookmark">12.B ISK Lotto</a> originally appeared on <a href="http://handsoff.myloots.com">Hands Off, My Loots!</a> on February 17, 2011.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 23:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Cyberin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Before I get into it, I&#8217;ve been on a pretty dry streak blogging wise lately. But&#8230;events that occurred last night seem to have finally gotten my motivation back up&#8230;and the ideas are turning for what I want to do with the blog since I am no longer a Ninja (more about that in the next [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before I get into it, I&#8217;ve been on a pretty dry streak blogging wise lately.  But&#8230;events that occurred last night seem to have finally gotten my motivation back up&#8230;and the ideas are turning for what I want to do with the blog since I am no longer a Ninja (more about that in the next post).</p>
<p>I was going to make my return post talk about what&#8217;s going on with me, what I&#8217;m doing in EVE now, etc&#8230;but&#8230;this post trumps that&#8230;by about 15 Billion ISK.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Me, and about 25 or so other members of Clockwork Pineapple were running around in a shield fleet through Syndicate, looking for some shit to kill.  Since dual boxing a shield harbinger (they rock) and a scimitar wasn&#8217;t enough fun, I decided I&#8217;d hit up the recruitment channel to try my hand at these recruitment scams I&#8217;ve heard so much about.</p>
<p>I had to throw back a few of the fish that either didn&#8217;t bite, or were rather puny&#8230;but eventually&#8230;after only about an hour of searching, I seemed to have found a nice mark&#8230;what you find below, is the story of a very <strong>Generous Idiot</strong>.</p>
<p><em>Note: After all this was said and done, I tried to convo him again, and he rejected my convo&#8230;as well as Velocity Prime&#8217;s trying to extract some Tears (I accidentally closed the wrong client and lost his convo).  About 15 minutes later, he sent me a simple evemail saying &#8220;Perhaps you can take the 15 Bil as a payment to not let others know how stupid I just was?&#8221;.  Since he didn&#8217;t provide Tears, and seemed very civil about the entire affair without threatening to decapitate me and feed my severed head to the Four Horses of the Apocalypse, I decided it was a fair request and have hence edited his name out of the below chat logs.</em></p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:08:54 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; hi<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:08:57 ] Cyberin &gt; greetings<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:09:12 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; how arey ou<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:09:16 ] Cyberin &gt; doing good<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:09:25 ] Cyberin &gt; you mentioned logi and industry, which do you prefer?<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:09:38 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; Mining right now<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:09:42 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; I can fly a hulk and a rorq<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:09:56 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; Looking to get some roids better than highsec has to offer</p></blockquote>
<p>His post in the recruitment channel mentioned a 36mil SP character, can fly Rorqual, looking for null sec&#8230;sounded fine with me!  The only issue is the simple fact that Misfit Toys is no where near an industry corp, but I&#8217;ll take my chances and hope he&#8217;s and idiot&#8230;as you&#8217;ll read on&#8230;you&#8217;ll find out it was definitely good I did.</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:10:14 ] Cyberin &gt; ah, we&#8217;ve def got that<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:10:29 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; cool<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:10:45 ] Cyberin &gt; we&#8217;ve got most of the low end null sec ores in our region (syndicate)<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:10:49 ] Cyberin &gt; and a lot of blues for protection<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:10:53 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; I see<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:11:00 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; and what does your corp do overall<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:11:08 ] Cyberin &gt; most of the other people around are pretty warry of us, so our systems are normally pretty clear<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:11:18 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; nice</p></blockquote>
<p>Might as well get in some information to want to come on down.  I figured since he&#8217;s an indy pilot safety would be a main concern for him, so I just through some blurbs about that out.</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:11:27 ] Cyberin &gt; we are mainly producers/traders&#8230;we try and keep the syndicate market stocked<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:11:36 ] Cyberin &gt; more miners and a rorqual would be nice<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:12:04 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; well I don&#8217;t have a rorqual yet but I have some stuff to sell that I could get one<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:12:19 ] Cyberin &gt; well, we might be able to get you one once you are in corp for a while<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:12:36 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; oh cool<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:12:43 ] Cyberin &gt; after a few months</p></blockquote>
<p>After I find out he doesn&#8217;t actually own a Rorqual, I figure the lure of possibly getting one for free could help set the hook even deeper&#8230;so that is what I do.</p>
<p>And in other thought&#8230;if you are looking for a corp to join&#8230;you should probably at least do a show info on the corp.  Here&#8217;s a screenshot of the Toys corp description&#8230;look at all that industry information!</p>
<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 474px"><a href="http://handsoff.myloots.com/images/toyscorp.jpg" rel="lightbox[434]" title="Misfit Toys Corporate Description"><img title="Misfit Toys Corporate Description" src="http://handsoff.myloots.com/images/toyscorp.jpg" alt="Misfit Toys Corporate Description" width="464" height="124" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Totally Industry</p></div>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:12:51 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; well what kind of requirements do you have<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:13:17 ] Cyberin &gt; we actually don&#8217;t have many requirements.  Ability to fly a mining barge, and possibly manufacture<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:13:29 ] Cyberin &gt; willingness to form up defense fleets if we have enemies come rolling through<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:13:45 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; cool</p></blockquote>
<ol>
<li>Idiots only</li>
<li>Rich people</li>
<li>No common sense</li>
<li>Inability to read details or check for obvious flaws in corp recruitment statements</li>
<li>Idiots only</li>
<li>Rich people</li>
<li>IDIOTS ONLY</li>
</ol>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:13:58 ] Cyberin &gt; we do require a limited api check though<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:14:00 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; do you do your own production, or import or<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:14:08 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; how do you check API?<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:14:16 ] Cyberin &gt; we normally import in minerals we don&#8217;t mine ourselves (which is why more miners would be nice)<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:14:27 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; ya\<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:14:32 ] Cyberin &gt; and do production locally&#8230;we have most t1 BS and below researched BPOs, and a few cap ship bpos<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:14:37 ] Cyberin &gt; multiple pos<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:15:06 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; nice</p></blockquote>
<p>In case you don&#8217;t know.  The key purpose of a recruitment scam, is to get the mark to pay you a &#8220;security deposit&#8221;.  In order to do this, you can either randomly throw out a number, or you can glean information from them in order to find out how much ISK they might be able/willing to pay.  In my case, I decided to go the information route and simply asked for a limited API key.  I could have also asked for a full key, but I didn&#8217;t want to spook him (as if he&#8217;d be smart enough to get spooked anyway).</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:15:14 ] Cyberin &gt; one second, i&#8217;ll give you a link you can put your api into, it won&#8217;t show me you api info at all, just the information it provides, so pretty secure<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:15:36 ] Cyberin &gt; we also have multiple JF pilots to move stuff for people<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:16:25 ] Cyberin &gt; http://zzj.itf-inc.com/eveapi/audit.php you can put your info in there, and then I&#8217;ll be able to view the info<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:16:46 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; ok one sec<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:19:17 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; http://zzj.itf-inc.com/eveapi/audit.php?key=blahblahblahblahblahblah&amp;view=skills<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:19:23 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; there ya go<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:19:46 ] Cyberin &gt; ok, one sec while i check on it<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:20:43 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; brb</p></blockquote>
<p>A quick review of the API showed he has just over 800 Million in liquid ISK, so I&#8217;m happy now and thinking of a possible 150mil ISK payout from this scam if it works.  Boy, was I wrong!</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:22:24 ] Cyberin &gt; wow, very nice industry skills<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:22:38 ] Cyberin &gt; i&#8217;d offer to jump your stuff down for you but you can already fly a JF <img src='http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:24:17 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; back<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:24:36 ] Cyberin &gt; k, did you get my last message?</p></blockquote>
<p>Another part of these scams is of course trying to get the mark to give you their stuff (<em>I can haz stufs?</em>).  This guy can fly a lot of big stuff, and since I already know he doesn&#8217;t have a Rorqual I figured I&#8217;d see if he might have a Jump Freighter since I see he can fly one.  He never answers me&#8230;but I end up finding out a bit later that he does.</p>
<p>I assume though, that since he can fly one he&#8217;ll have one and will want to move his own stuff&#8230;bummer <img src='http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:24:37 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; well, i&#8217;ll be out of town snowboarding for the next few days<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:24:46 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; So it would be a while before I could bring my stuff down<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:24:51 ] Cyberin &gt; oh, where you going?<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:25:07 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; Big Bear Mountain in So-Cal<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:25:14 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; hopefully won&#8217;t kill myself<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:25:37 ] Cyberin &gt; ah, never been snowboarding<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:25:56 ] Cyberin &gt; but anyway, we&#8217;ve got a few JF pilots and could move your stuff for you if you decide to join while you are gone, that way it will be waiting for you</p></blockquote>
<p>Um&#8230;ok&#8230;always bet on stupid right?  I will most DEFINITELY help you move your shit while you are on vacation!  Though, at this point&#8230;I&#8217;m still not expecting to get his stuff since he can fly a Jump Freighter himself&#8230;I start thinking about maybe offering him a Cyno out to our home and killing him when he gets there&#8230;hoping some good stuff drops.</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:26:36 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; well, its a pretty substantial amount of stuff<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:26:41 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; Would I need to cover fuel or anything<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:27:23 ] Cyberin &gt; nah, we cover fuel, but we do have a security fee we charge, that is reimbursed after 30 days<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:27:31 ] Cyberin &gt; to make sure you don&#8217;t steal out of the corp coffers, etc<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:28:02 ] Cyberin &gt; it&#8217;s based on SPs and experience, for someone of your skill points, it&#8217;s normally 1bil&#8230;but i notice on your API you only have 800mil or so<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:28:20 ] Cyberin &gt; we might be able to work out a deal on that since you&#8217;d be trusting us with moving your assets while you are gone<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:28:29 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; ah ok</p></blockquote>
<p>Ok&#8230;normal train of thought for a sane individual: &#8220;I can haul my own stuff, but I&#8217;ll be a while.  What? You can haul for me? I bet you can&#8230;tell me more, how do I know you won&#8217;t haz my stufs?&#8221;</p>
<p>This dudes train of thought: &#8220;I&#8217;m leaving for a bit and am impatient.  What? You can haul for me?  Sweet&#8230;.do I have to pay you to steal my shit?&#8221;</p>
<p>Really&#8230;dude is not all there up stairs.  As in&#8230;he must have tripped at the top, fallen down 40 flights of stairs and shattered every light in the noggin.</p>
<p>You will also notice this is where I try to lure him in on the security deposit.  I figure since he&#8217;s got 800mil, I&#8217;ll say the normal fee is 1 Bil, and then offer him 150mil a little later to make it seem like an awesome deal.</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:28:42 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; is there a limit of how much I can use<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:28:50 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; I have a giant pile of stuff for my other characters<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:29:30 ] Cyberin &gt; nope, no limit at all, all our JF pilots are bored alts<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:29:43 ] Cyberin &gt; how much is giant? a couple freighter loads?</p></blockquote>
<p>O RLY?</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:30:20 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; maybe one<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:30:24 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; maybe<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:30:32 ] Cyberin &gt; oh, yeah, that&#8217;s not bad at all<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:30:41 ] Cyberin &gt; doesn&#8217;t even cost a few mil to do one jump</p></blockquote>
<p>Truthfully, when he only said one, I got a little disheartened&#8230;he&#8217;s so dumb, I figure his &#8220;huge&#8221; pile of stuff wasn&#8217;t that big at all&#8230;I admit&#8230;that was my mistake, I forgot to bet on stupid.</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:32:28 ] Cyberin &gt; all of that sound good? we could really use a pilot with your skill point level and those ships<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:32:37 ] Cyberin &gt; and there&#8217;s always the possibilty of flying a corp rorqual <img src='http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:32:39 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; Yeah I can give it a shot<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:32:53 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; can I apply tonight so i&#8217;m ready to go when I get back</p></blockquote>
<p>At this point, our gang (remember, I&#8217;m dual boxing at the moment) is chilling on a gate waiting for some idiots to kill, and I&#8217;m getting tired and know I need to go to be in an hour or so, so I figure it&#8217;s time to try and close the deal.  I didn&#8217;t think it would be quite as simple and fast as it actually turns out to be though.</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:33:08 ] Cyberin &gt; certainly you can<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:33:21 ] Cyberin &gt; just right click on my name and apply o the corp<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:33:37 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; ok</p></blockquote>
<p>This is where I mention in Teamspeak to my CEO <a href="http://velocilogic.squarespace.com" target="_blank">Velocity Prime</a> to not accept the app that just went in (I normally put stupid shit in apps for my alts to join, an didn&#8217;t want VP to think this was an alt app of mine or something if he mentioned my name).</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:33:49 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; who do I need to contract stuff to that i&#8217;m moving out?<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:33:55 ] Cyberin &gt; so are you bringing any indy stuff down, or just stuff for alts?<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:34:05 ] Cyberin &gt; oh, you can contract it to me if you&#8217;d like, i&#8217;ll move it to my alts<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:34:34 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; ok<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:34:37 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; give me a few minutes<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:34:42 ] Cyberin &gt; certainly</p></blockquote>
<p>I was typing that second statement while he was typing the first&#8230;I was expecting to have to goad him a bit more, but apparently he&#8217;s just that dumb&#8230;and I&#8217;m the mos trustworthy person in EVE.  At this point, I&#8217;m truthfully wondering if he&#8217;s just trying to troll me&#8230;no one can be this idiotic right?</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:35:57 ] Cyberin &gt; oh, almost forgot&#8230;the security deposit<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:36:03 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; oh right<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:36:03 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; hang on<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:36:10 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; 750m ok?</p></blockquote>
<p>But just in case&#8230;gotta get the most out of it right?  He immediately offers 750 Million before I can tell him the CEO said 150 Mil would be fine.  Sure&#8230;that sounds good to me.</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:36:17 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; To be returned after 30 days?<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:36:23 ] Cyberin &gt; well, normallly 1bil, but 750 will work<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:36:27 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; ok<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:36:29 ] Cyberin &gt; talked with ceo about it and he said that&#8217;s fine<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:36:47 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; Done</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes&#8230;that simple&#8230;no questions about safety.  No security concerns.   No asking how he&#8217;d be safe from a scam.  No nothing.</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:37:28 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; what station should I set the contract to<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:37:56 ] Cyberin &gt; aas station V<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:38:18 ] Cyberin &gt; is there gonna be collateral?<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:39:09 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; no<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:39:14 ] Cyberin &gt; even better <img src='http://handsoff.myloots.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p></blockquote>
<p>I got a little cocky here, glad he didn&#8217;t understand the reason I said &#8220;even better&#8221;.  And yes, you are reading this correctly&#8230;less than 1 minute after he sent me 750 Million ISK he was asking where to contract me his stufs to.  I had to ask about the collateral, because even though it might have scared him off (though&#8230;i was seriously doubting it now with the blind sending of that much ISK), I needed to make sure he sent it to me free of charge.</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:41:44 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; ok stuff to be shipped is up<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:41:44 ] Cyberin &gt; oh wow, anshar, that&#8217;s gonna be hard to move</p></blockquote>
<p>I swear I didn&#8217;t shit my pants&#8230;almost maybe&#8230;but I totally did NOT shit my pants.  I may however have squealed like a little school girl in Teamspeak about my new found fortune&#8230;sorry if I interrupted the op a bit pBump.  The first contract has the Anshar, a Redeemer, and some other stuff in it.  And a second contract, to be couriered to our home station, was 927,000m3 (which by the way, can&#8217;t be carrier by anything other than a max level Charon pilot&#8230;which he should have known and thought about being a Jump Freighter pilot&#8230;he wins again I guess).  In my excitement&#8230;I can&#8217;t see what&#8217;s in the courier package&#8230;either because you have to be in the station with it, or I just couldn&#8217;t find where to view it in the contracts panel&#8230;but this is where I made my first mistake.</p>
<p>I mentioned the Anshar.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">
<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 490px"><a href="http://handsoff.myloots.com/images/scamships.jpg" rel="lightbox[434]" title="Ship Contract"><img class="  " title="Ship Contract" src="http://handsoff.myloots.com/images/scamships.jpg" alt="Ship Contract" width="480" height="167" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Click to Imbiggen</p></div>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:41:47 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; and I applied to the corp<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:41:59 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; oh I did that on accident, gonna use that to move the rest of my stuff when I get back<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:42:02 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; you can contract that back to me, don&#8217;t need to ship it<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:42:07 ] Cyberin &gt; ah, one sec</p></blockquote>
<p>As you can tell, he didn&#8217;t mean to give me the Anshar (and I&#8217;m assuming some other stuff&#8230;like the hundreds of millions in moon goo).  At this point, I immediately accept and fail the second contract (not sure why I hadn&#8217;t done it yet) to insure he didn&#8217;t decide to cancel it.  In retrospect, after looking at the stuff in that package, it seems only the fittings for the battleships and a few frigates were in that package&#8230;which makes me wonder if he was going to put up another contract with the cruiser fittings in it (which seems like it would have been quite a bit).  But I decided to cut my winnings and play it safe once he mentioned wanting the Anshar back.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">
<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 490px"><a href="http://handsoff.myloots.com/images/scamitems.jpg" rel="lightbox[434]" title="Loot"><img class=" " title="Loot" src="http://handsoff.myloots.com/images/scamitems.jpg" alt="Loot" width="480" height="370" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Click to Imbiggen</p></div>
<blockquote><p>﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:49:21 ] GenerousIdiot &gt; ?<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:50:38 ] Cyberin &gt; oh, yeah&#8230;abot that<br />
﻿[ 2011.02.08 03:50:46 ] Cyberin &gt; ceo said app rejected, and thanks for the fish</p></blockquote>
<p>It took me exactly 41 minutes and 52 seconds to scam this guy out of 14.9 Billion ISK.  I&#8217;d say that&#8217;s a damn fine stroke of beginners luck. (I&#8217;ve scammed in other ways before, never recruitment scamming though).</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>P.S.</p>
<p>To GenerousIdiot,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;ve never read my blog and didn&#8217;t know who I was&#8230;VERY glad.  I hope you enjoy your trips to the snow covered mountains, please watch out for trees, I hear they sting if you hit them.  I will be here keeping your assets safe.</p>


<p>No related posts.</p><p><a href="http://handsoff.myloots.com/15-bil/" rel="bookmark">He didn&#8217;t want that 15 Bil anyway.</a> originally appeared on <a href="http://handsoff.myloots.com">Hands Off, My Loots!</a> on February 8, 2011.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, even though I&#8217;m not a Ninja anymore (GROON here&#8230;more about that in next post), I&#8217;ll always consider them where I found my calling in EVE&#8230;so, I must give them plugs where plugs are due (buttes?). Apparently, after I left, the babies over at Suddenly Ninjas decided to be all cheerful and crap (WTF dudes?) [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, even though I&#8217;m not a Ninja anymore (GROON here&#8230;more about that in next post), I&#8217;ll always consider them where I found my calling in EVE&#8230;so, I must give them plugs where plugs are due (buttes?).</p>
<p>Apparently, after I left, the babies over at Suddenly Ninjas decided to be all cheerful and crap (WTF dudes?) and give away free ships for the holidays.  While I don&#8217;t approve of wasting corp cash on carebears&#8230;hopefully some decent pirates will get a hold of them, fit them nice and shiny, and then come let me kill them.</p>
<p>All kidding aside, if you are interested in free ships from people that have really big egos and have some obsession with spending too much isk just to be more well known (I do it&#8230;though, the well known part only seems to work for me on peoples killmails&#8230;)&#8230;read up on the info at <a href="http://podlogs.com/findersandkeepers/2010/12/16/suddenly-ninjas-present-suddenly-giveaway/">Aiden&#8217;s Blog</a> or the <a href="http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&#038;threadID=1432721">EVE-O Forums</a>.</p>


<p>No related posts.</p><p><a href="http://handsoff.myloots.com/suddenly-giveaway/" rel="bookmark">Suddenly Giveaway!</a> originally appeared on <a href="http://handsoff.myloots.com">Hands Off, My Loots!</a> on December 16, 2010.</p>
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<p>No related posts.</p><p><a href="http://handsoff.myloots.com/did-you-miss-me/" rel="bookmark">Did you miss me?</a> originally appeared on <a href="http://handsoff.myloots.com">Hands Off, My Loots!</a> on December 8, 2010.</p>
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