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		<title>Comment on Oh Jesus! by Johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just stumbled on a cool site that talks to this very subject (and might be useful in your &lt;a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/07/09/conversations-with-christians-beth-3-where-do-we-go-from-here/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;conversation with Beth&lt;/a&gt;).

&lt;a href="http://rationalrevolution.net/articles/jesus_myth_history.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;Jesus Myth - The Case Against Historical Christ&lt;/a&gt;

I've only read through the first few sections, but he seems to be well thought out, and is actually using sources. Its a pretty long read; but something any of you fascinated with the Jesus myth might find interesting.

A little excerpt:&lt;blockquote&gt;There are two basic views of the Biblical Jesus as a real person today, the religious Christian view and the secular historical view. The religious Christian view takes the Gospels as accurate and reliable accounts of the life of Jesus, including all of the miracles. The religious Christian view demands that Jesus Christ was a popular and well known figure in the region, who drew crowds of thousands of people and performed great miracles, who was such a revolutionary figure that the Jewish priesthood was compelled to have him arrested and put to death in dramatic fashion before hundreds or thousands of witnesses.

The secular historical view, which may also be held by some Christians,  takes the Gospels as exaggerated accounts of the life of a real Jesus. The secular historical view basically starts with the Gospels and then removes the fantastic or "supernatural" claims in the Gospels and accepts what is left as history. The secular historical view tends to minimize the role of Jesus in the region, stating instead that he was barely noticed by others. Secular historians who believe that Jesus existed rely on the Gospels as essentially historical, but inflated, accounts of his life.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just stumbled on a cool site that talks to this very subject (and might be useful in your <a href="http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2009/07/09/conversations-with-christians-beth-3-where-do-we-go-from-here/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">conversation with Beth</a>).</p>
<p><a href="http://rationalrevolution.net/articles/jesus_myth_history.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Jesus Myth &#8211; The Case Against Historical Christ</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only read through the first few sections, but he seems to be well thought out, and is actually using sources. Its a pretty long read; but something any of you fascinated with the Jesus myth might find interesting.</p>
<p>A little excerpt:<br />
<blockquote>There are two basic views of the Biblical Jesus as a real person today, the religious Christian view and the secular historical view. The religious Christian view takes the Gospels as accurate and reliable accounts of the life of Jesus, including all of the miracles. The religious Christian view demands that Jesus Christ was a popular and well known figure in the region, who drew crowds of thousands of people and performed great miracles, who was such a revolutionary figure that the Jewish priesthood was compelled to have him arrested and put to death in dramatic fashion before hundreds or thousands of witnesses.</p>
<p>The secular historical view, which may also be held by some Christians,  takes the Gospels as exaggerated accounts of the life of a real Jesus. The secular historical view basically starts with the Gospels and then removes the fantastic or &#8220;supernatural&#8221; claims in the Gospels and accepts what is left as history. The secular historical view tends to minimize the role of Jesus in the region, stating instead that he was barely noticed by others. Secular historians who believe that Jesus existed rely on the Gospels as essentially historical, but inflated, accounts of his life.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Comment on Conversations With christians – Beth 3 – Where Do We Go From Here? EDIT by Neece</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm glad you keep bringing this argument up, GMN. I am sending an email with Johnny's information and this argument to her now, as added response. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you keep bringing this argument up, GMN. I am sending an email with Johnny&#8217;s information and this argument to her now, as added response. <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Conversations With christians – Beth 3 – Where Do We Go From Here? EDIT by Neece</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, what great information! Thank you Johnny, my favorite scholarly superhero! I'm emailing her again with this information from you. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what great information! Thank you Johnny, my favorite scholarly superhero! I&#8217;m emailing her again with this information from you. <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Webster’s Dictionary is Biased Towards Christianity by Neece</title>
		<link>http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/2008/08/23/websters-dictionary-biased-towards-christianity/comment-page-1/#comment-2734</link>
		<dc:creator>Neece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll be on my best behavior. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be on my best behavior. <img src='http://www.heavingdeadcats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Webster’s Dictionary is Biased Towards Christianity by GMNightmare</title>
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		<dc:creator>GMNightmare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey hey, you can try it on for size if you want.  Take it for a little test drive, just try not to scuff it up too much--it's fairly new.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey hey, you can try it on for size if you want.  Take it for a little test drive, just try not to scuff it up too much&#8211;it&#8217;s fairly new.</p>
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