T-Rock's Take: Inside the Giants

Tolson rolls out like a Caisson

2008-05-12T20:12:14Z

A kicker who was signed as an undrafted free agent by the Giants after the draft, Owen Tolson will spend his summer shooting missiles and helicopters out of the skies near El Paso rather than directing punts and trying to make pressure-packed field goals in Albany. The soon-to-be West Point graduate who still has a week of classes and a week of exams left, was waived by the Giants today, one of a number of moves that included the signing of seven tryout players.

"Even if I make the Giants, graduating from West Point is going to be the biggest accomplisment for me so far," Tolson said on Friday.

He'll report soon to Fort Bliss in his home state of Texas, where he'll be trained in air defense and how to shoot down enemy aircraft. Had he stayed with the Giants, he would have been able to participate in a relatively new program at the USMA that allows cadets with special talents to buy back their active duty time and spend time as a reservist and in recruiting efforts.

Here are the players the Giants signed, and you can click below for their bios as provided by the Giants:

DT Brian Soi, Utah
DT Nate Robinson, Akron,
DE Alex Morrow, USC
CB Miguel Scott, NC State
S Terrance Stringer, Tuskegee
LS Nick Leeson, Virginia Tech
OT Jacob Hobbs, Albany

Hobbs will be a bit of a celebrity when traing camp starts at his alma mater.

To make room on the roster, the Giants waived Tolson, LB Rory Johnson and DT Joshua Muse. They also formally announced the terminated contracts of TE Eric Butler and G Carnell (I'd walk a mile for a Camel) Stewart.

By the way, that gives the Giants 80 players plus their seven unsigned draft picks, so not all of the ones listed here are guaranteed a spot in training camp once those contracts start getting inked. But there will be some room because the Giants have already made it pretty clear they'll only be taking four of their five potential QBs to Albany and who knows what lurks in the heart of a certain defensive end.

Soi, 6-3 315, was originally signed as a rookie free agent by the Miami Dolphins on July 23, 2007. He was placed on the active /NFI list with as wrist injury and activated off that list five days later. Soi played in four preseason games before he was waived on Sept. 1. Soi (pronounced SOY) played one year at Utah State (2005). That season, he played in all 11 games and recorded 31 tackles, 7.5 stops for loss, 4.5 sacks, a forced fumble and a blocked kick. Prior to that, he was a two-time all-state selection at Timpview High School in Provo, Utah. Soi was born on May 3, 1985 in American Samoa.

Robinson, 6-5, 315, spent the 2003 and 2004 seasons at Rutgers before transferring to Akron. As a senior in 2007, he played in 10 games with six starts and battled an ankle injury early in the season and a shoulder injury late in the year. He was credited with 26 tackles (16 solo), 5.0 for losses and 2.0 sacks. Robinson had a season-high five tackles against Ohio State. Robinson played at Irvington (N.J.) High School, about 30 minutes from Giants Stadium. His birth date is Jan. 18, 1985.

Morrow, 6-6, 270, played in 23 games for the Trojans, recording 23 tackles and four sacks. As a senior in 2007, Morrow was a backup at defensive end and played on special teams. In 13 games, he had five tackles, including two sacks. He earned 2002 Super Prep All-American, Super Prep All-Farwest, Prep Star All-West, Tom Lemming All-West, Long Beach Press-Telegram Best in the West second team, Tacoma News Tribune Western 100, Cal-Hi Sports All-State first team, All-Northern California Co-Defensive MVP, San Francisco Chronicle All-Metro first team and All-League Defensive MVP notice as a senior defensive lineman at Rancho Cotate High in Rohnert Park (Calif.). He was born on Feb. 4, 1985.

Scott, 6-0, 203, was a three-year starter at safety for the Wolfpack. In 2007, he was credited with 43 tackles (21 solo) and had an interception against Miami he returned 19 yards. Scott played at Killian High School in Miami. He was born on July 30, 1984.

Stringer, 6-3, 213, anchored the record setting Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference Champion Tuskegee University Golden Tigers to an undefeated season in 2007, when he had 41 tackles and three pass breakups. A native of Smiths, Alabama, Stringer was born on June 28, 1985.

Hobbs, 6-3, 303, is the first player signed by the Giants from Albany, where they have held training camp since 1996. He was originally signed by the Philadelphia Eagles on May 14, 2007. Hobbs played in four preseason games before he was waived on Sept. 1. In 2006, Hobbs started all 10 UAlbany games at left tackle and was named to the 2006 Football Gazette Mid-Major All-America second team and the All-Northeast Conference first team. Hobbs was a Class AA second-team all-state defensive end at Schenectady High School. He was born on Feb. 17, 1983.

Leeson, 6-1, 249, was originally signed by the Baltimore Ravens on May 4, 2007. He played in two preseason games before being waived on Aug. 27. Leeson was the long snapper at Virginia Tech from 2003-2006. He entered school as a linebacker, before being moved to full-time snapper by coach Frank Beamer, whose teams annually excel on special teams. Leeson played at Abingdon High School in Virginia. His birth date is Oct. 29, 1982.

The unrookie rookies

2008-05-12T13:37:19Z

Some of you were looking for a list of veteran players -- or at least those who aren't coming directly out of college -- who participated in this weekend's minicamp. Sorry it took a while, but here it is:

WR Todd Lowber
WR Brandon London
OL Brandon Torrey
LB Rory Johnson
CB Darren Barnett

In my haste to get you the list of players this weekend in a comment a few posts down, I also breezed right over FB E.J. Barthel, a rookie from UMass.

Of course, today well probably start hearing about cuts and signings so most of those names will become irrelevent. But at least they appeared somewhere in this blog at some point.

And no, I'm not getting D'Antoni money out of this deal.

Afternoon delight

2008-05-10T20:11:48Z

The last chance for many of these players to make an impression has come and gone. The afternoon practice ended just a few minutes ago, and with it the on-the-field portion of the minicamp. The players will have meetings on Sunday morning and then fly home to kiss their moms for Mother's Day.

The tissue guys, Manningham and Woodson, were on the field and walking around with what appeared to be very slight limps, but they did not participate in the practice. WR Jeremy Young threw some passes during drills (and caught some passes during drills) but in 11-on-11, Willie Copeland took all the snaps. He must have a very tired arm right about now.

Mark Bavaro was here catching a glimpse of the workouts.

Kenny Phillips continued to work at both safety positions, playing free safety with the first team and strong safety with the third team. He said he'd prefer to be a ball-hawking free safety even though he played mostly in the box at Miami. And CB Terrell Thomas was covering the slot receiver a lot this afternoon, presumably working as a possible nickleback.

That's about it for now. I still have to write my newspaper story.

Oh, and I'd like to remind Mr. Dolan that I am a Cablevision Triple Play customer. As they say on the traffic and weather reports on channel 61, you won't find me on satellite or phone company TV. And I love your Radio City Christmas Spectacular!

Non-rookie updates

2008-05-10T17:21:09Z

And now we enter the veteran player portion of our program, hosted by Kevin Gilbride and Steve Spagnuolo. Both spoke with the media today and touched on the status of their most tittilating pupils of the offseason -- Michael Strahan and Jeremy Shockey.

"It's so nebulous right now, you just have no idea what's gonna happen," Gilbride said of Shockey and trade rumors that continue to simmer if not swirl as they did during the draft. "Right now he's on our team and we're planning on him being there. He'll be one of the guys that we'll feature and one of the guy's that we'll look to depend on. Hppefully he'll be here in good spirits and ready to do the things that we know he's capable of doing. But who knows, it's certainly beyond my hands."

Gilbride said he spoke with Shockey on the phone and expressed his own desire to have the tight end back. Gilbride didn't say what Shockey said or if he expressed a desire to be back.

As for Spagnuolo and Strahan, they've kept their distance this offseason as far as communications. A rift? Nah, Spagnuolo just said that's always been his philosophy, to leave the players alone during the offseason.

"We just kind of wait and go, we just move on," Spagnuolo said of waiting to hear a retirment decision from Strahan. "We try not to miss a beat."

As for the position of Mathias Kiwanuka, a possible replacement at defensive end should Strahan retire, Spagnuolo jokingly asnwered a question about his position by saying "What's today's date?"

He went on to say that barring injuries or unforseen circumstances, Kiwanuka is a linebacker. "We kind of committed to this thing last year and he made some strides," he said. "Right now he's working to be a linebacker."

D.J. spins

2008-05-10T17:13:24Z

Had a nice chat with WR D.J. Hall from Alabama, one of the early stars of this camp. He said he was very disappointed in not being drafted (no one from the school was this year) and he signed with the Giants even though they appear pretty stacked at his position.

"Ain't much I can do about it now," he said of his late April weekend of despair. "I didn't really want to know (why he wasn't drafted), I just wanted to get to a team and I came here."

On signing with the Giants, he said:

"This is a perfect program to be in and plus I got along with the receivers coach (Mike Sullivan) at the Senior Bowl and I like the atmosphere."

He said there are similarities in the way Coughlin and Alabama coach Nick Saban run their teams. He also said he's received positive feedback from the staff here.

"I made a few plays, but I'm not satisfied," he said. "They tell me to keep up what I'm doing."

With Manningham sidelined -- and O.C. Kevin Gilbride hinting that there were plays drawn up for the afternoon which would have tested him as a deep threat -- Hall could take advantage of the injury and continue to make a name for himself.

Manningham and Woodson scratched

2008-05-10T16:39:33Z

The two offensive players drafted by the Giants this year both left the field with injuries this morning and neither will participate in this afternoon's final workout of the minicamp.

Neither injury appears to be serious as both players walked off the field under their own power.

Mario Manningham tweaked his left hip while making an abrupt stop on a pass pattern. He went to the sideline, trying to stretch it out, and wound up putting ice on it. He managed to stand among the players for the rest of the practice but did not participate.

Andre' Woodson's injury was to his left quad, and he remained on the injury truck with the leg elevated for the rest of the practice. That left Willie Copeland to handle ALL of the quarterbacking duties (even though someone ran into the locker room to fetch a red jersey for Friday Morning Quarterback Jeremy Young who was moved to receiver by the afternoon, he never put it on). I just saw Young in the tunnel under the stadium and he said it's his understanding that Copeland will be the only QB this afternoon.

RB Jerome Messam also missed practice after injuring his leg on Friday. He rode the exercise bike on the sideline this morning. Coughlin said there was a fourth injury that a player was able to play through. He seemed disappointed by these "soft-tissue" injuries.

Both Manningham and Woodson should be fine by the full-team minicamp in June. Messam may be fine by then, too, but he'll probably be fine at home. The exercise bike is one step out the door for a tryout.

Flunked

2008-05-09T22:00:22Z

Two players who had signed free agent contracts with the Giants failed their physicals and had their contracts nulified, terminated, torn up, shredded, or whatever other drastic action you can think of. They were TE Eric Butler and G Camell Stewart. Butler had just had his contract announced yesterday, so his Giants tenure lastes only a few hours -- more than yours or mine, but brief nonetheless.

That means there's even more room for tryout players to make an impression and get a ticket to Hollywood. Oh, wait, that's on American Idol. I meant get a ticket to Albany. I get Albany and Hollywood confused sometimes, they are so alike. Not counting the draft picks, I count 76 players on the roster (give or take a defensive end who is contemplating retirement). The maximum number of players is 80.

P.M. practice in one take

2008-05-09T21:07:01Z

I'll keep the update from this afternoon's practice to one post, mostly because I still have to write my story for tomorrow's paper. Here are the highlights:

Jeremy Young was a quarterback out of Southern Miss this morning. This afternoon he was a receiver, leaving all of the passing duties to Andre' Woodson and Willie Copeland. Young also changed his jersey number from a red 5 to a white 8 -- a lesson to keep those receipts from Modell's for all of you who ran out and bought your Young jerseys today.

Young, by the way, made one nice sliding catch over the middle during practice.

WR D.J. Hall continued to look impressive. He's got good speed and good hands. He caught another deep ball this afternoon from Woodson.

RB Jerome Messam, our friend from Graceland (not in Tennessee but in Iowa) College, looked to injure his right leg when he was tangled up in a passing drill, falling down while running an underneath route. Messam looked really strong -- big and fast at 6-4, 248 pounds -- but as a tryout it's tough to make an impression while limping. Don't worry about him, though. Messam is from Canada, so his medical bills will be covered.

Kenny Phillips had a good interception when he picked off a pass that bounced off the hands of TE Dale Thompson.

Manningham went against Terrell Thomas twice in one-on-one drills. The first time Thomas had the receiver covered on a deep route and knocked the ball away. The second time Manningham was also covered but made a nice one-handed catch reaching back for the football.

So there you go

2008-05-09T19:15:26Z

Ten blog posts in about 70 minutes. Everything you need to know about the first day of rookie minicamp. I'm heading out right now for the afternoon preactice. No doubt it will amazing to see how these young players have evolved in a matter of hours.

Check back tomorrow for more stuff. I know it's a Saturday and you're not going to be sitting at your desk clicking here to take your mind off work, but feel free to stop by anyway.

For starters?

2008-05-09T19:03:49Z

It's only the first day, but already Kenny Phillips and second-round selection Terrell Thomas envision themselves as starters for the Giants.

Asked if he thought there might be a starting job here for him, Phillips said: "Well hopefully, but I am just out here to compete and if I end up being a starting safety thank God."

Thomas was more direct.

"Without a doubt," he said to the same question. "I know they have some great corners with Madison, Dockery and Ross, but why wouldn’t I want to come in here and start? That’s what they drafted me for."

Tolson a punter or a warrior

2008-05-09T18:47:46Z

One of the more interesting stories of the rookie camp, believe it or not, is a punter.

Owen Tolson is here as an undrafted free agent, just a few weeks shy of graduating from the USMA at West Point. He's in the same highly-publicized situation as Lions draft pick Caleb Campbell, meaning that if he makes the team he won't have to serve his full active miltary duty of five years. Rather, he'll spend time as a recruiter and have to put in two years in the reserves after his playing days are finished.

"It's just a different mission," Tolson said of the possibility of avoiding active duty.

So for Tolson, he could either spend the next few years thinking about the hang time on his punts or trying to knock enemy planes and missiles out of the sky in air defense.

In case you didn't notice, the Giants already have a punter. So the chances of Tolson sticking around after training camp are pretty slim. It's actually common for punters to spend a few years dancing on the periphery of the league before sticking with a team, but Tolson won't exactly have that opportunity.

"I know it's going to be a lot harder for me than some of the other guys to come back after a year or so because the Army may need me elsewhere," he said. "I’m fully aware that I need to make a good impression now, get some good kicks on film, learn from Feagles, better my game, and hopefully I’ll stick around."

Manningham sees dots

2008-05-09T18:43:19Z

Asked about his first day as an NFL player, Mario Manningham noted that he made his share of mistakes (on the field). When told that Coughlin had said he showed flashes, he seemed pleased, but said no one has a perfect practice their first time.

"You’re not just, on your first day, going to get it Johnny on the dot," Manningham said.

Manningham may mix his metaphors a bit, and even produce a few new ones we didn't know about, but he looks to have all the skills that were promised on the field. In the end, he can come up with as many malaprops as he wants if he produces.

It's for Taylor, not Tiki

2008-05-09T18:39:59Z

Kenny Phllips is wearing No. 21, a jersey he had asked for but wasn't sure he would get until he showed up for camp this week. It's a little strange to see someone wearing 21 other than Tiki Barber, but Phillips said he's doing it to honor fellow U. of Miami product Sean Taylor, the Redskins' safety who was shot and killed last year.

Phillips said he never met Taylor, but knew enough about him to want to honor him by wearing the number. In college, Phillips wore No. 1.

I almost forgot! A Strahan update!

2008-05-09T18:34:55Z

He worked out with the team yesterday!

In all the excitement over the future Giants, I nearly forgot to blog about the (perhaps) current one who is on everyone's mind.

The retirement-mulling defensive end was at the Stadium and had a conversation with Tom Coughlin.

"I had a chance to visit with him a little bit," Coughlin said. "But there is still no, he hasn;t said anything about what his plans are."

As for when a decision may come, Coughlin joked that it was the 4,000th time he'd been asked that (I'd take the over on that estimation, by the way).

"Basically, when he decides that, his term for it is, 'Whatever decision I make I know I am not going to change my mind so therefore I want to be right.'"

Still, it's seen as a pretty good sign that he was here with the team yesterday and that he had a chat with the coach.

Welcome to NY, Mr. Woodson

2008-05-09T18:19:47Z

Andre Woodson said the reality of being an NFL player hit him on the airplane coming to New York last night. Having never visited the Big Apple, he looked out the window on the approach and saw the glistening lights of Manhattan, the shyscrapers beckoning him to their concrete delight. Very nice. Strings of "Rhapsody in Blue" no doubt simmered in the background.

His real introduction to NY came this morning when one of the first questions he was asked during his media session was about the interception he threw on his first 11-on-11 pass. He laughed it off a bit. It was pretty clear that Woodson struggled -- tryout QB Willie Copeland seemed to have a better practice, for what that's worth -- but to be fair it's hard to judge an offense on the first day. And as practice progressed, he did improve. He even threw a nice long ball to D.J. Hall on a sideline go pattern for a sweet over-the-shoulder grab. Come to think of it, that was a better play by Hall than Woodson.

Woodson did make his calls at the line of scrimmage with authority. So he's got that going for him.