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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" media="screen" href="/~d/styles/atom10full.xsl"?><?xml-stylesheet type="text/css" media="screen" href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~d/styles/itemcontent.css"?><feed xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:openSearch="http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearch/1.1/" xmlns:georss="http://www.georss.org/georss" xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005" xmlns:thr="http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0" xmlns:geo="http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#" gd:etag="W/&quot;CkQBQXg8fCp7ImA9WhRRFEk.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375703270470915021</id><updated>2011-11-27T19:32:30.674-05:00</updated><category term="ethics" /><category term="disability" /><category term="racism" /><category term="idealism" /><category term="sex" /><category term="linkage" /><category term="law" /><category term="society" /><category term="feminism" /><category term="politics" /><category term="class" /><category term="gender" /><category term="race" /><category term="philosophy" /><category term="context" /><category term="rambling" /><title>It Might Be The Case</title><subtitle type="html">Cogitating, cogently and otherwise.</subtitle><link rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://itmightbethecase.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://itmightbethecase.blogspot.com/" /><link rel="next" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3375703270470915021/posts/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25&amp;redirect=false&amp;v=2" /><author><name>Ben Kleinman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10333178287202077253</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><generator version="7.00" uri="http://www.blogger.com">Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>30</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><atom10:link xmlns:atom10="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/ItMightBeTheCase" /><feedburner:info xmlns:feedburner="http://rssnamespace.org/feedburner/ext/1.0" uri="itmightbethecase" /><atom10:link xmlns:atom10="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/" /><geo:lat>40.74618</geo:lat><geo:long>-73.977594</geo:long><feedburner:emailServiceId xmlns:feedburner="http://rssnamespace.org/feedburner/ext/1.0">ItMightBeTheCase</feedburner:emailServiceId><feedburner:feedburnerHostname xmlns:feedburner="http://rssnamespace.org/feedburner/ext/1.0">http://feedburner.google.com</feedburner:feedburnerHostname><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;DUECQn84eCp7ImA9WxRaFEU.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375703270470915021.post-8705870927826634465</id><published>2008-12-16T22:58:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-16T23:21:03.130-05:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2008-12-16T23:21:03.130-05:00</app:edited><title>Suing you to tell you what's on our minds</title><content type="html">I was reading the article to which the title of this post links (9/11 Fallout: The Next Round, by Anna &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;Stolley&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"&gt;Perksy&lt;/span&gt;, in the December 2008 issue of the ABA Journal) and I saw a quote by Michael Martinez, who argued for exempting US &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"&gt;government&lt;/span&gt; from legal &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3"&gt;repercussions&lt;/span&gt; for their crimes and evil deeds (torts) with the line that "We want them to make decisions that are the best for all of us."  &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Well yes, we do.   I don't feel like arguing with that.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But, I ask, what is best for all of us?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;There is no universally accepted answer that is constructive.  Making us happy might help, but merely begs the question of how to make us happy. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here's my relatively straightforward response then.  Hell yes I want government officials "making decisions with one eye toward possibly getting sued".  I'm well aware that they "often have to make quick decisions that are of major import."  Many of us do.  Doctors do.  Lawyers do.  Parents do.  Drivers do.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Is Mr. Martinez such a strong believer in &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4"&gt;theidea&lt;/span&gt; that the threat of a lawsuit distracts people from what is important that he would argue that airline pilots should be immune from suit.  Maybe only when they're full of people and over major metropolitan areas so their decisions are of "major import"?  Maybe potential criminals about to unleash a hail of gunfire should be immune, because they're in the process of making a quick decision of major import.  Maybe executives and traders should be so immune.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;All of these people generally must make quicker decisions that a government official.  Arguably (but I won't argue that here) some of their decisions are as important to me as the most important decisions of government officials.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Moving back to where I started: what's best for all of us?  Given that there's probably no perfect answer for any given situation, we answer based on our values and the information we have.   Let's ignore values and turn for a second to the information at hand.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;How does our government official know what she's about to do is not in our best interests?  It's against the law!  It harms people to the extent that they'll sue you!  The threat of lawsuit is an information transfer device.  If a &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5"&gt;gov't&lt;/span&gt; official believes there's a credible threat of lawsuit, that government official will indeed take that into account.  And should.  Because it means the decision is against the law or is &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6"&gt;likely&lt;/span&gt;  to inflict legally cognizable harm on someone.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Do some elements of society not like it -- do they want government officials to be able to authorize or allow the beating of &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7"&gt;Muslims&lt;/span&gt; simply because they're &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8"&gt;Muslim&lt;/span&gt;?  Do some elements of society want government officials to be able to tax &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9"&gt;millionaires&lt;/span&gt; at a 90% marginal rate or to seize assets in blighted areas or to summarily halt all government expenditures other than the military, all without fear of lawsuit?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Sure they do.  But the threat of a lawsuit, reasonably regulated by pleading standards, is a reminder to that government official that such behavior &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_10"&gt;certainly&lt;/span&gt; isn't in all of our best interests.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Go ahead, beat, tax, seize, or halt.  But do so knowing that in addition to living with yourself, you'll have to live with a lawsuit.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3375703270470915021-8705870927826634465?l=itmightbethecase.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="feedflare"&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel="related" href="http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/9_11_fallout_the_next_round/" title="Suing you to tell you what's on our minds" /><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://itmightbethecase.blogspot.com/feeds/8705870927826634465/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3375703270470915021&amp;postID=8705870927826634465" title="0 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3375703270470915021/posts/default/8705870927826634465?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3375703270470915021/posts/default/8705870927826634465?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://itmightbethecase.blogspot.com/2008/12/suing-you-to-tell-you-whats-on-our.html" title="Suing you to tell you what's on our minds" /><author><name>Ben Kleinman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10333178287202077253</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;AkAEQ3c6eyp7ImA9WxRbGU4.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375703270470915021.post-1636183887378257621</id><published>2008-12-10T14:29:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2008-12-10T14:51:42.913-05:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2008-12-10T14:51:42.913-05:00</app:edited><title>Possible Paper on Monopolies, Government Funding, and "Welfare States"</title><content type="html">Some rough thoughts:&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;1. Monopolies&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The intuitive idea of a monopoly is something that I have that you don't have and that you can't get: possession.  Colloquially, we say that someone has a "monopoly on good ideas" or is "monopolizing my time".  We mean that someone is the only source of good ideas in the accessible universe and that someone is consuming all of my available time, leaving me none to interact with other people or accomplish other tasks.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So a monopoloy is an intuitive idea.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Attempts to further define this or capture it with definitional rules are really nothing more than attempts to model this intuition.  A perfect model might perfectly capture the entire intuition, but it might be over or under inclusive in certain respects.  This is especially true when what is being modeled is subjective: I might think that a person consuming all my office time is monopolizing my time, while someone else might say they're just "keeping me busy" and my time is monopolized only if all my time, both in and out of the office, is consumed by that person.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;2. Legal Views of Monopolies&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Antitrust law definition.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This tries to capture the commercial sense of monopoly.  Let's play out the intuition.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;A shopowner has, in some sense, a monopoly on that shop.  no one else can sell things in that actual shop.  We don't really worry about this, because in most cases someone else can set up a nearby shop or there already are others shops people can go to.  In some instances, even this might be a problem: shops on army bases, shops in airports and other closed environments where one can't easily leave.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;At the other extreme, if someone corners the market we usually do think of that as a monopoly: it's probably the paradigmatic example.  If someone buys all of the silver in the world or owns all of the diamonds, they have a monopoly.  A counterarugment might go along the lines above: you might not be able to get silver, but do you really _need_ silver for anything in particular?  Can't you find a substitute?  In many cases, the answer is probably no.  But in some cases, the answer is yes.  For example, someone may corner the market in light bulbs with GE printed on them (namely, GE may corner that market).  But we have an intuitive judgment that there's nothing particularly wrong with that, and if someone acutally values the GE label on their lightbulbs then they can suffer the monopoly price.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This is how we see intellectual property law (which protects rights by preventing others from using them) with antitrust law (the law of monopolies).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;3. Comparison of intuition and the law&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;My suggestion is that we can easily do what the law does: identify a monopoly first and then determine, on the fact, whether it's good or bad (legal or illegal).  The intuition is a monopoly that doesn't harm the public is probably okay, where harm the public is just another level of indirection to intuition.  If it's reasonable for someone else to compete, or if the monopolized good isn't too expensive (which is basically a function of how easy it is to compete, how important that good is, and my own notion of 'too expesnsive') then the monopoly is okay.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;4. what should government do.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;could argue that government should only do those things that would otherwise be monopolies and where competition would be artificial.  IE, gov't out of road construction/repair.  Stays in policing, military, national security, and 'welfare' as defined below.  Stays in grant making and research (part of nat'l security?). &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;could argue that government funding should be pay as you go for all things that could otherwise be provided by the free market.  that is, if the government choses to provide services that others can readily compete with (USPS) then users of that service should not be 'entitled to it for free because it's a gov't service' but should have to pay per use. (stamps).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;could argue that general tax dollars should go to inspect and police minimum standards (how defined?) and avoid corruption (how defined?) in those areas where the goverment is not the service provider.    This is redistributive in that it protects the users more than the non-users, but is probably only mildly distributive in most cases.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;could argue that general tax dollars should also go to subsidize the market price for those who can't otherwise afford necessities (health, food, school, child care, housing).  This is clearly redistributive.  Also, what defines a necessity.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;conclusion: much more intensive gov't trust busting and regulation.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3375703270470915021-1636183887378257621?l=itmightbethecase.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="feedflare"&gt;
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The article mentions the fact (there ought to be a word for a fact that's presumed to be generally unknown but is actually well known to many people --- to the extent that sharing it won't impress that many people that you'd want to impress.  I'll work on finding such a word.) that diamonds are not particularly rare, but are expensive because people think they're rare. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In one of my papers (currently titled &lt;a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1133953"&gt;Luxury Markets, Antitrust, and Intellectual Property: An Introduction&lt;/a&gt;), I refer to the idea (not my own!) that luxuries are not necessarily expensive because they're inherently rare, but are rare because they're expensive.   There are a couple of ways to apply that notion to diamonds.  If diamonds were easy to come by in the natural world and many people could sell them, then they'd most likely be relatively affordable.  If sellers of diamonds had a way to distinguish their diamonds from the diamonds of other sellers, then some sellers might choose to market their diamonds as luxuries: to jack up the price so that only an elite few could afford them and hope that those elites would buy the arbitrarily expensive diamonds so that others would respect them and their elite status.  But diamonds are, basically, fungible.  It's not as if someone can stick a logo on a diamond or, with the possible exception of proprietary cutting techniques, make a diamond identifiable as coming from a particular seller.  So what's happened instead is that we have a cartel that stifles competition.  In a nutshell, almost all naturally occurring diamonds are controlled by a small number of private companies or government-backed entities who agree to set high prices and limit the number placed on the market.  There is little competition.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But with the world of high quality manufactured diamonds an interesting possibility arises.  What if there were a way to make a diamond that had all the physical attractiveness of a natural diamond, but actually &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;was&lt;/span&gt; branded or marked?  Maybe there are little logos on each of the facets, or maybe deep inside there's some symbol, or maybe when you move it in certain ways or expose it to certain light a particular effect presents.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If this can happen, then the natural diamond cartel may be in trouble: manufactured diamonds that are absolutely indistinguishable from natural ones will create competition in the 'generic' diamond market.  There may still be genuine prices differences depending on size and quality and the relationship between consumers and vendors, but there will be a vast supply: a diamond will be little different from any other bauble. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Manufactured diamonds, on the other hand, will also be able to be marked and made differentiable from other diamonds (both natural and manufactured).  A properly marketed luxury artificial diamond (not natural diamond) might be able to obtain luxury prices similar to, if not more than, what today's diamonds command.   After all, if people pay a premium for a Tiffany diamond that is exactly the same as a diamond you could get from Blue Nile, imagine what they'd pay if Tiffany had a way to mark their diamonds so that their customers would know that society would be able to recognize that the expensive-looking diamond actually was expensive, and that the person wearing it was thus worthy of respect (or at least their bank account was).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm trying to think of  examples of product categories where natural and some manufactured versions compete on one level, and some manufactured versions are marketed as luxuries.  It's late, I'm tired, and I'm drawing blanks.  Oh.  Water!  Maybe it's not quite the same, because there are some natural waters that are priced pretty exorbitantly, but if you consider distilled water to be 'manufactured' and spring water to be 'natural', I think that some aspect of the phenomena I hypothesize is playing itself out in the bottled water market.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, it was fun to write on something that had little to do with the Bar.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3375703270470915021-6062863204712624129?l=itmightbethecase.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="feedflare"&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel="related" href="http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2007/07/23/070723ta_talk_surowiecki" title="Is that often generally true?" /><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://itmightbethecase.blogspot.com/feeds/1325018529095854226/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3375703270470915021&amp;postID=1325018529095854226" title="4 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3375703270470915021/posts/default/1325018529095854226?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3375703270470915021/posts/default/1325018529095854226?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://itmightbethecase.blogspot.com/2007/07/is-that-often-generally-true.html" title="Is that often generally true?" /><author><name>Ben Kleinman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10333178287202077253</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;D0cERXY9fyp7ImA9WB5WFko.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375703270470915021.post-1237405452276811385</id><published>2007-07-28T20:50:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-07-28T21:10:04.867-05:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2007-07-28T21:10:04.867-05:00</app:edited><title>A Commenter and My Response: Religion and Morality?</title><content type="html">A while back Adam commented to my &lt;a href="http://itmightbethecase.blogspot.com/2007/04/my-blog-against-theocracy.html"&gt;Blog Against Theocracy post&lt;/a&gt;.  He referred to a WaPo article by Gerson &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/12/AR2007071201620.html?hpid=opinionsbox2"&gt; here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Basically, I think the argument in the article  a red herring.  His point is that we need God because without a deity to whose rules we attempt to adhere, we won't be moral.  Or at least that's what I get his point to be.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And I say hogwash.  Let's assume there is a god.  I don't believe humanity has shown any overall tendency to become better or more moral.  Truly, civilizations have evolved, technology has advanced, and our physical form has changed.  But do we kill each other at a lower rate, or over more noble causes?  Do we steal from each other less?  Heck, an argument can probably be made that the level of exploitation has risen as civilizations has "progressed".  Correlating improvements in human morality (if there are any) with the existence of a deity seems just as much a leap of faith as assuming the deity exists.  It's rather question begging.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, on the other hand, assume God doesn't exist.  How do humans evolve social niceties?  I suggest it can be possible for the very reasons Gerson poo-poos: societal demands.  Dworkin's selfish gene captures this nicely at one level (it's not "smart" for a creature to kill its kin folk) and common sense catptures it at another (what society is going to host a rude person -- other than a society where that rude person has all the power?).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I can see how the existence of a deity is a useful tool for steering the evolution of morality, but I can't see how it's necessary or even likely.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3375703270470915021-1237405452276811385?l=itmightbethecase.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="feedflare"&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel="related" href="http://www.firstfreedomfirst.org/" title="My Blog Against  Theocracy" /><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://itmightbethecase.blogspot.com/feeds/5755328396826765337/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3375703270470915021&amp;postID=5755328396826765337" title="4 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3375703270470915021/posts/default/5755328396826765337?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3375703270470915021/posts/default/5755328396826765337?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://itmightbethecase.blogspot.com/2007/04/my-blog-against-theocracy.html" title="My Blog Against  Theocracy" /><author><name>Ben Kleinman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10333178287202077253</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;DUIMQXc-eSp7ImA9WBFWGEQ.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375703270470915021.post-4740591787986132704</id><published>2007-04-06T16:43:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-04-06T17:13:00.951-05:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2007-04-06T17:13:00.951-05:00</app:edited><title>A biological element of morality?</title><content type="html">On 22 March 2007, the New York Times ran &lt;a href="http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F30710FD3F540C718EDDAA0894DF404482#"&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; (behind the Select firewall, accessible if you have a .edu email address) In &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Brain Injury Said to Affect Moral Choices&lt;/span&gt;, Benedict Carey wrote about the discovery that brain damage to a particular part of the brain affected the moral or ethical decisions people made.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Basically, the utilitarian aspect of their mind continues to function: they'd let one person die if it meant saving five.  And it seemed to preserve some sense of moral hierarchy: they wouldn't send a daughter to the porn industry to fend of poverty, and wouldn't kill a child that they couldn't care for (I'm not inclined to think either of those decisions are actually right, but that's what both individuals with the injury and without the injury similarly decided). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It did, however, seem to destroy the distinction between doing and allowing: those with the injury were far more likely than healthy people to actually directly kill one person to save five or to kill a crying baby to save a hiding group from discovery and death.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This distinction between doing and allowing is troubling to me because it shows some kind of superiority -- it's okay for &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;someone&lt;/span&gt; to kill that crying baby, but I can't bring myself to do it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The article quotes one of the injured people as saying with horror that he realized he'd become "a killer".  So it's not just that normal people find it harder to kill a baby or murder one person to save five than they do to let the baby die or indirectly cause the death of one person to save the lives of five.  It's also that all the people in the study regard those who would kill directly as "killers" and don't so regard those who would let people die.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Such condemnation is still universal, and thus either originates in another part of the brain or originates in society and is stored in another part of the brain.  The behavioral aversion is not universal -- it's traced directly to the injured part of the brain.  Those people with the injury now have a mental process that lets them kill, even as they are aware that killing is bad.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's an interesting mapping -- it seems to say that the utilitarian cost-benefit analysis mechanism is distinct from the deontological behavior assessment mechanism, and that both are in effect in healthy people.  It also seems to say that our ability to pass judgment on others for their actions, or at least to feel shame for our own actions,  is distinct from the mechanism that assesses the value of those actions.   If they were the same process, I would assume that the injured people wouldn't feel bad about what they did -- they would have lost both processes. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, it's interesting.   And I'm blathering.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But when I try and fit it in with a class I took a while back on cognitive neuroscience, I get caught up in the possibilities.  I'm captivated by the idea that this aspect of morality is neurological and akin to senses like depth perception, the ability to see curves, the ability to recognize faces, the ability to associate words and images, and various other particular abilities that have been traced to parts of the brain via similar studies.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3375703270470915021-4740591787986132704?l=itmightbethecase.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="feedflare"&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel="related" href="http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F30710FD3F540C718EDDAA0894DF404482#" title="A biological element of morality?" /><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://itmightbethecase.blogspot.com/feeds/4740591787986132704/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3375703270470915021&amp;postID=4740591787986132704" title="0 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3375703270470915021/posts/default/4740591787986132704?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3375703270470915021/posts/default/4740591787986132704?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://itmightbethecase.blogspot.com/2007/04/biological-element-of-morality.html" title="A biological element of morality?" /><author><name>Ben Kleinman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10333178287202077253</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;DUcDR386fSp7ImA9WBFXGUw.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375703270470915021.post-4477056146053116013</id><published>2007-03-26T08:38:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-03-26T08:51:16.115-05:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2007-03-26T08:51:16.115-05:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="sex" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="gender" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="society" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="idealism" /><title>Am I Getting Better, Or Is He Getting Worse?</title><content type="html">Comedy Central's been running The Blue Collar Comedy Tour and all of its offshoots a lot lately.  Those offshoots include The Blue Collar Comedy Tour Rides Again (or something like that) and specials with each of the stars of the tour.  I actually find a lot of it pretty dang funny.  You have to say 'dang', because it's all southern themed humour.  I have to add the gratuitous 'u', because I spent a few years in the UK and it just flies off my keyboard.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm particularly keen on Ron White, probably because he goes through a full flask of whisky (I leave off the 'e' because I spent some time in Scotland) while he's on stage.  I just like that.  And there's something about his delivery and his stories that just appeals.  One of my favorites punchlines is also the title of his book &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0525949615?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=itmibethca-20&amp;amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0525949615"&gt;I Had the Right to Remain Silent...But I Didn't Have the Ability&lt;/a&gt;.  It reflects an understanding of reality with which many reproductive rights advocates can identify.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, the point is, I actually had to mute him the last time I watched him each time he started to speak about his wife or ex-wife (who I believe are the same people).  The gender stereotypes that pervaded his banter just rubbed me the wrong way and came off sounding a lot more like hate speech than like humour.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Am I becoming more attuned to how what we allow ourselves to listen to says about who we may allow ourselves to become, or am I just being overly sensitive?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3375703270470915021-4477056146053116013?l=itmightbethecase.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="feedflare"&gt;
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Actual Ethics</title><content type="html">In &lt;a href="http://itmightbethecase.blogspot.com/2007/03/knowledge-and-evolution-asymptotitc.html"&gt;my last post&lt;/a&gt;, a mere 12 or so hours ago, I tried to make the point that in the sciences, or at least the hard sciences like physics, chemistry, and biology, there is an obvious distinction between &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;human truth&lt;/span&gt; and &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;actual truth&lt;/span&gt;.  Actual truth is what really is.  It may be finite, it may be infinite (I think it's infinite in the sense that it's ultimately unknowable to human).  It may be dynamic and it may be static (I think that because it's infinite that distinction falls away).  I don't think it's self-contradictory because I don't think that our human logic and understanding can encompass the actual truth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In other words, given that it's beyond our understanding, we constantly observe elements of absolute truth and incorporate those observations into the human truth.  When those observations seem to contradict each other, what we really mean is that they're contradicting the human model of the actual.  So we readjust our model.  We never, ever, readjust the actual.  Because we can't.  This sense of readjustment is what I refer to when I say that we're part of the actual, we interact with it and live within it, but we don't control it.  Perhaps we contribute to what is and what is not, but I don't believe we have the ability to determine how that contribution works.  Or, at a higher level, we can't decide how we decide how that contribution works.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now I'd like to take a stab at applying this seemingly uncontroversial notion (I can't be the first to have articulated it, although maybe the first to articulate it this poorly!) to the efforts of philosophers.   Philosophers bandy about different notions of what a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;good life&lt;/span&gt; is, and what type of ethical system we have.  Our options seem to generally include two broad options.  The first set of options includes those based around a single principle, unqualified or barely qualified.  For example, &lt;a style="border-bottom-style: groove;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism"&gt;utilitarianism&lt;/a&gt; holds that we ought to act in such a way that we maximize the aggregate welfare of humanity (other such &lt;a style="border-bottom-style: groove;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequentialism"&gt;consequentialist&lt;/a&gt; approaches might look at other results of our actions and say that we're responsible for them: some might look to the aggregate welfare of all sentient beings, others might say say that we should minimize all suffering, or aggregate suffering, etc).  On the other hand, the other set includes a broad list of principles or obligations or duties that humans ought to obey. This includes &lt;a style="border-bottom-style: groove;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deontological_ethics"&gt;deontological&lt;/a&gt; approaches that are often based around a list of duties that we are obligated to obey and &lt;a style="border-bottom-style: groove;" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_ethics"&gt;value ethics&lt;/a&gt;, which holds that human beings, not their actions, should be the basis for moral judgment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are distinctions that can be drawn between different ethical theories based on whether they examine the essence of a human, a human's adherence to a set of obligations, or the results of human's behavior.   At some point, I put forth, these all require proffering a list of requirements, or definitions, or exceptions, or caveats.  Utilitarianism is often praised as 'simple' because we only have to do one thing, and that is maximize aggregate welfare.  But what is welfare, how do we aggregate it, and how do we know if we're maximizing it?  Trying to answer those questions can lead us down at least two paths.  On the first, we analyze humanity and humans, reflecting on what makes us happy, or what pleases us, or is in our best welfare.  We think back on decisions we've made, and what we would have done differently if we had known of all the consequences, and what we would do in some idealized hypothetical.  Or we can take the second path, and try and determine what is best for us in some absolute sense, independently of what we ourselves would have done.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The former, I say, is just a proxy for the latter.  We analyze ourselves because we have no other frame of reference for good or for bad.  We're akin to the scientists, trying to understand the actual truth of the universe by modeling it with human truth.  Philosophers who practice this form of reflection are doing the same -- they are seeking an absolute truth, but one that they will either never find (because the universe is infinite) or that they will be pretty damn unlikely to find (because human truth is still so far from actual truth in so many other domain, and philosophy and ethics are handicapped by observing what we might consider much more dynamic and complicated systems than chemists and physicists).  Let me expand on the last bit of that parenthetical.  Physical systems are so immensely complicated we call them chaotic.  We know that even if we knew all the inputs into the weather, or into the wobble of a particular piece of jello, or into the development of a fetus into an embryo, we would have to know all of them to an impossible precision in order to determine what the result would be.  In other words, it's not just that there are an infinite number of inputs into every aspect of the universe, it's that it is not sufficient to know roughly what the values of those inputs are -- we need to know every last infinite detail about every last infinite input.  Sure, I can tell you what will happen if I clap my two hands together.  I'll make a noise.  I'll feel the pressure of one hand o n the other.  But depending on the speed of the clap, the position of my hands when they meet each other, the size of my hands, the shape of my hands when they meet, the temperature, my altitude, and any number of other variables the noise will vary and the sensation will vary. And which cells of my left hand will flake off, and which specs of dirt will be jostled from my right hand?  And which dust in the air will be moved up, and which down? Roughly, I can predict what will happen.  My hands will meet and I'll hear a noise.  Precisely -- I couldn't tell you what would happen until it happened.  And even then, so many things will have happened that it'd be impossible to list them all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And yet, ethicists seek a unified theory of absolute moral truth.  I say there is no such thing.  There may be an absolute moral truth.  But it is no more susceptible to a simple human theory than the absolute physical truth.  The absolute moral truth may be discernible locally, in specific instances, and from fixed contexts.  But when we step back, when we good at the general truth, and when we vary our perspective, we'll find contradictions and complexity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The best we can do is what the physical scientists have done.  We can explicitly assume a particular scope, assume a particular perspective, and then define a coherent system given those restrictions.   Those systems may be simple (euclidean geometry is based on 7 clear assumptions) and thus appeal to utilitarians and their fear of complication and uncertainty.  Or they may be fraught with variability and caveats (I believe that much of modern physics is based on the idea of a single function that we hold to be true.  But the function has many variables, all of which depend on each other and vary so as to make the function true.  This could be considered analogous to an ethical system with lots of caveats and exceptions.).&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3375703270470915021-3980578505532165596?l=itmightbethecase.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="feedflare"&gt;
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Actual Ethics" /><author><name>Ben Kleinman</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10333178287202077253</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;DEAESH8-fSp7ImA9WBFXFkQ.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375703270470915021.post-5634378589015250271</id><published>2007-03-23T18:41:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-03-23T19:38:29.155-05:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2007-03-23T19:38:29.155-05:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="ethics" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="society" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="philosophy" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="idealism" /><title>knowledge and evolution -- asymptotitc understandings</title><content type="html">It is easy to combine the notions of what is true with the notion of what humans perceive to be true.  I believe that they are likely different, and that acknowledging and understanding that difference may help us in our efforts to discover the two related but different truths -- the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;actual truth&lt;/span&gt; and the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;human truth&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If we look at the natural world, the actual world, there is very little that is a matter of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;absolutes&lt;/span&gt;, as we perceive them.  By absolute, I mean something that admits no qualification, at least not within a given context.  For example, that 1+1 is the same as 2 is absolutely true (given a specification of what + means, and what mathematical system we're operating in, etc).  But, in fact, this absolute truth is not an actual truth, it is a human truth.  We have &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;defined&lt;/span&gt; 1+1 to be 2.  It is an attempt to model the real world phenomenon that if I have a thing, and take another thing, now there are two of them.  But if I have one pile of rice, and I dump another pile of rice onto it, I don't actually have two piles of rice -- I have one bigger pileof rice.  And although that bigger pile of rice is in some ways equivalent to twice the two earlier piles, there are many ways in which 1+1=1 (for example, the rice is no whiter) or the bigger pile is otherwise not at all the 'sum' of the earlier piles (for example, it is likely neither twice as high nor taking up twice as much of the surface on which it rests).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This does not discomfort or confuse us, at least not most of us.  We are fully able to understand that combining two piles into one pile creates a pile with twice as many items, and that that's all we mean.  The instances where it doesn't, where the items may react with each other, well that's because of physical and chemical properties of the items involved, and their environment, and the method of combining.  We have theories and models and even laws or rules for all of these things.  In other words, we understand that in the real world sometimes we have scenarios where combining, two things, even identical things, results not merely in two of those things, but sometimes leaves us only with one of them (for example, observing the lights are out and then observing again that the lights are out doesn't, at some level, mean the lights are doubly out), and sometimes it leaves us with something completely different.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mathematicians have developed a broad field for modeling and codifying all of our observations. Most humans can't plow much of that field, and many of us probably can't even keep our balance in parts of that field even if we were to have a guide,  but the mathematicians who work that patch of the field are able to grow a number of fascinating raw materials, and are able to provide chemists and physicists and biologists the resources to craft wonderful applications.  Those scientists, in turn, generate ample amounts of byproduct that fertilize the field, and sometimes even help remove obstacles and thus expose further parts of the field.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But my point is not the analogy, my point is the cycle, the approximation.  Mathematicians and scientists are developing human understanding.  In many cases, the rest of humanity blithely accepts that these models run counter to our intuition, although it may be that over time our intuition incorporates these new models.  But we are no longer as reluctant to accept models that are counter-intuitive as we were hundred or thousands of years ago -- relativity did not result in Galilean treatment for Einstein, and quantum theory did not have political ramifications for its proponents (so far as I am aware!).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In any case, we accept these developments.  And we operate according to them, building computers, designing bridges, flying aircraft, mixing colors, growing food.  We operate according to them because they are good enough.  But we have always done this -- lived according to the extent that our knowledge was good enough.  Pre-historic humanity did not 'need' to know that the earth was not flat, because they didn't travel vast distances and had little need to contemplate the issue.  Eighteenth century humans did not need to know about quantum effects because they weren't manipulating material at atomic or subatomic levels.   Of course, had they known about such things they might have used such knowledge, but it would be unreasonable to expect them to have it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This does not mean that actual truth then differed from actual truth now.  It's possible that human awareness or contemplation of the earth's roundness caused it to be round, and that our studying of antibiotics caused them to exist and have the properties they have, but I believe that actual truth is independent of human existence.    That's not to say it's a static truth and that humans have no effect on it, but we interact with it and live within it -- think of us as fish in the ocean, at least in some ways.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What it means is that human truth evolves as humanity evolves.  Whether it's due to the selfish gene, the selfish meme, or the selfish humanity, the point is that our sense of what is true is an approximation of what is absolutely true.  It is probably an ever improving approximation, but it is also probably asymptotic at best.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That last point is not necessary, and reflects my belief that the universe is infinite and of such a nature that almost everything we currently consider impossible (i.e., contrary to human intuition and current human truth) exists somewhere (or did exist, or will exist) and in such a way that it does not conflict with current human truth but is revealed to be complementary to them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example, early human truth held that the world was flat.  This was reinforced by the development of euclidean geometry, which dealt with planes and lines and, basically, farmers' fields.  When planning trails, dividing acreage, and laying out buildings, it is perfectly sufficient to model a flat world (although it's a wonder theoretical non-euclidean geometry did not develop in societies that lived in very hilly country, considering the practical work they did on 'spheres').  It's only when we move to an era of global travel and where we consider the larger cosmos from a practical perspective that we realize that the earth is round(ish) and that lines we had long considered parallel will, in fact, converge.  And that all lines of equal length &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;must&lt;/span&gt; converge.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But locally, on my desk, in my town, even within my state, I have no particular need to make use of non-euclidean geometry.  For any small enough subset of this non-euclidean world, euclidean truth is good enough for me.  It is in that sense that I think human truth will always evolve and improve -- what we know hold to be universally true will often turn out to be a special case, or an approximation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The result, of course, is that we have two very different truths.  An actual truth that reflects reality in all its diversity, that encompasses all we understand and all we can't, and a human truth that is locally quite elegant but that displays jagged discontinuities and gaps.  Without suggesting that actual reality is 'continuous' or 'smooth' in the way that humans thinks of those words, I do want to suggest a model of turning flat pieces of paper into a sphere.  With one sheet of paper you get gaps and bends and holes.  As you use more and more smaller and smaller pieces of flat paper to approximate the sphere, you get a better approximation.  But it's never an actual sphere, not matter how good it is for us.  This is the struggle of humanity to make human truth correspond to actual truth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All of this is to set the ground for why we totally screw up in philosophy by constantly referring to human understanding and human intuition as a check against ethical theories.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3375703270470915021-5634378589015250271?l=itmightbethecase.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="feedflare"&gt;
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I did buy some olives that were      gorgeous.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Marie      Kobler and I did a booty-rocking ice breaker.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And kudos to everyone for joining in.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;I      managed to meet some fantastic people – smart, fun, interesting, engaged,      and engaging.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It’s easy to get      bogged down in the daily grinds of life and law school, but it’s      heartening to know that no matter the level of engagement (whether I make      a career in reproductive rights, do it pro-bono, or volunteer when I can)      I’m part of a movement and love the people who are taking it forward.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Saturday, 10 March: Keynote by Anat Shenker-Osorlo (Real-Reason)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="disc"&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;I      missed too much of this because of setup and workshop duties, but I liked      what I caught&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;She      spoke a lot about framing and mental models&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="circle"&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Think       of the difference between speaking of ‘from shore to shore’ and ‘from       coast to coast’.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They can be the       same, but the shore has images of the ocean, and perhaps even a       transoceanic voyage.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The coast has       images of land, and perhaps a transcontinental voyage.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Not all the time and not to everyone,       but these images will be strongly resonant with particular populations.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Another       example is with education.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We used       to speak of education in terms of nature and gardens: cultivating       understanding, nurturing children, planting the seeds of future       development, etc.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Now we speak in       terms of business and the factory: aligning inputs to produce outputs       necessary for success, testing results to ensure common quality standards&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;This       language shift has an impact: in education, it’s make it more difficult       for advocates of music and arts education to convey the significance of       their programs in the new frame&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Also,       when we speak in terms of nature, we’re comfortable with processes that       are organic and procedures &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;In a      massive survey that was undertaken, it turns out that there aren’t the      traditional 4 groups vis a vis abortion (strongly opposed, against, in      favor, strongly in favor) but there are closer to 8 groupings (what are      they?)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Many      groups, particularly those of color and those that are male, respond to      the complexity of the issue and react positively when the discussion is      framed in terms of ‘letting people decide’ and ‘personal decisions about a      public right’.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Those are my words –      the words that the survey collected are actually long, complex, paragraphs      and sentences… the subject does not lend itself to pithy slogans if you      want to capture the complexity.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Again,      we shouldn’t do a search and replace on ‘choice’ – that’s how we’ve      defined ourselves and how others see us.&lt;span style=""&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;But we can expand beyond it.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Some      see the question as being not about choice but about power – who has it      and who can exercise it&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;We can      frame this, again, in terms of decision making – it’s about the process of      deciding.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="circle"&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Having       enough information&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Having       support for the decision you make&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Have       others, and the government, respect your decision&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Mutual      empathy is key here – if we want those who disagree with us to empathize      with us, we need to empathize with their disagreement.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Understand that it’s real, that it’s      understandable and not wrong that they don’t believe in absolutes –      respect complexity.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Saturday, 10 March: New Human Genetic Technologies: Considerations, Concerns, and Consequences for Reproductive Justice.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Emily Galpern and Osagie Obasogie (Center for Genetics and Society)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="disc"&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;I sent      an email to the NYU group about doing programming with them&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;They      often run a half day or even 2-day course on this, so the hour+ was quite      condensed&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;In      light of the opening keynote, it was interesting that they used ‘choice’ a      lot in the slides they tailored for us.&lt;span style=""&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;But it was also interesting that their main argument could be      reframed in terms of decision making.&lt;span style=""&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;They seem to be against the popularization or commercialization of      a number of new technologies, but largely because they think they’re      untested and the ramifications of how these technologies are being      deployed have not been thought through.&lt;span style=""&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;Basically, my takeaway is that they don’t think the average person      is yet able to make an informed decision.&lt;span style=""&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;Perhaps once more studies have been done and the implications of      various procedures are better understood, they’ll advocate for informed      decision making (choice, if you will)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;They      have case studies they’ll make available for groups to use&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="circle"&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;A       billboard in harlem soliciting egg donations for various experiments (but       not IVF)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Insurance       companies treating genetic propensities as pre-existing conditions&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;A       maid hired to be a surrogate mother&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="square"&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;This        relates to a question I asked about the intersection of race and class        and genetic technology – NYC is already rife with ‘nannies of color’        pushing around strollers full of white babies.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Why not have them bear the kids as        well?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Ads       offering $80,000 for Ivy-Leage eggs for IVF.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Saturday, 10 March: The Doctors, The Lawyers, and the Supremes.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Dr. Eleanor Drey (Women’s &lt;st1:placename st="on"&gt;Options&lt;/st1:PlaceName&gt; &lt;st1:placetype st="on"&gt;Center&lt;/st1:PlaceType&gt;, &lt;st1:placename st="on"&gt;SF General&lt;/st1:PlaceName&gt; &lt;st1:placetype st="on"&gt;Hospital&lt;/st1:PlaceType&gt;), Priscilla Smith (of CRR, great friend of LSFC), Professor Pam Karlan (&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:placename st="on"&gt;Stanford&lt;/st1:PlaceName&gt; &lt;st1:placename st="on"&gt;Law&lt;/st1:PlaceName&gt; &lt;st1:placetype st="on"&gt;School&lt;/st1:PlaceType&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;), Louise Melling (ACLU Reproductive Freedom Project)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="disc"&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;this      panel had great energy.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The      comraderie among the panelists was astounding.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I realized that I was starting to have      that with fellow LSFCers, and loved the realization.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;My      notes aren’t too great, as there was some proctoring work.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;They      spoke largely about the federal abortion ban cases, the arguments that      worked in the lower courts, how they tried to tailor arguments for      Kennedy, and what it was like, for Priscilla, to go in front of the court.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="circle"&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Apparently       there was a heckler in the court that day!&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="square"&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Roberts        gave her an extra ’30 seconds’ and they’re not sure she got it all… but        it was a lengthy disturbance&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;The       main argument was that it banned too many abortions, even in 2nd       semester.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And even if not, it       didn’t have health exception for 3rd trimester.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Kennedy       strategy: more medical evidence.&lt;span style=""&gt;        &lt;/span&gt;Allow him to cast earlier decision (he had made vehement dissent       in state abortion ban case) as reasonable but to change his mind based on       extra evidence.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And to show that       not changing his mind wouldn’t be reasonable.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Karlan:      Law usually doesn’t trap you.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In      the trial, doctors were used to show that the abortion ban meant that a      doctor could begin to perform an abortion, with no intent of violating the      federal law, but midway through the procedure be compelled by medical      ethics to use a procedure that violated the law.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That points to the vagueness of the law      and intrusion into doctor-patient relationship.&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;Think Legal Services Corp v. Valasquez      – which tried to tell lawyers they couldn’t raise constitutional claims      when pressing welfare claims with federal money.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Court said you couldn’t undermine lawyers      who might not know the best way to argue a case until they were into      it.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Kennedy wrote that opinion!&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="circle"&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;The       analogy is clear – and the law is vague in how it conflicts with medical       ethics.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;For       example, she pointed out that you don’t realize half way through an armed       robbery that you’ve committed a crime, you know from the outset.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But with abortions, you might have to       switch procedures and suddenly find yourself on the wrong side of the       law.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Doctors      also used to provide cover for Kennedy – to medicalize the discussion.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Also      had to deal with congressional findings and tradition of deference.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Litigation is to remind the court that      they have often struck down laws based on findings that are idiotic.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="circle"&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;What       about the deference?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Previous       congressional action was generally limited to DC (1970’s) and spending       clause.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Spending clause needs       pretty much no fact finding.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But       this in Congress using its commerce clause powers.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It’s not 14th Am going after the life       of a fetus b/c that is facial challenge to Roe.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So it’s commerce clause.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But congress has no expertise in this       realm.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Heart of &lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Atlanta&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:City&gt; can be about accommodation and       economy.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Or even VAWA: about       effects of fear on economy.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But       congress has _no_ findings on the relevance to the economy.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;But       congress explicitly said jury will make case by case determination of       interstate commerce.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Congress       didn’t find that the law generally relates to interstate commerce.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Dr.      Drey: these ‘women’ are her patients – not a percentage.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Would doctors be forced to ‘consent’ a      woman to the dijoxyn(?) feticidal agent in order to protect the _doctors_      from lawsuit.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="circle"&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;BK: Is       it like SCOTUS talking about psych and soc. research?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Different      scenarios were discussed&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="circle"&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;4-4-1       split, with kennedy coming down one way or the other&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Slam       dunks either way&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;If       the decision is that it’s not for the feds to say, but that a state can       do it with proper exemptions, would that lead to an expensive state       strategy?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Court       could read in intent about the exact medical procedure that Congress       ‘must’ have meant.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This would       cover Intact D&amp;E.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And it would       have to have a carve-out for a health exception.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Question      from the audience, Reva Siegel, about creating wedge issues from a      progressive perspective&lt;/li&gt;&lt;ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="circle"&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Under       which circumstances and whose decisions – rape victim’s bill of rights       might out people who are against it as wanting to punish women.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Guaranteed       EC, for example, might allow anti-choicers to see who’s       hardcore/intolerant/women-pay-for-their-behavior and who believes in some       exceptions and is looking out for people’s health.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Think       of the innocence movement in capital punishment and how it actually       broadened the anti-death penalty movement and didn’t weaken it.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;If      women are only to have the abortions they need – who decides what they      need?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class="MsoNormal" style=""&gt;Could      the feds enact a Solomon like amendment and deny funding to institutions      that teach abortions.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The panel      didn’t want to nightmare about that.&lt;span style=""&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;But any abortion ban bill clearly has implications for teaching      hospitals and medical schools, which are generally risk averse.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Such laws might serve to eliminate      trained providers in a generation.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Saturday, 10 March: Prisoners’ Priorities for Reproductive Justice.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Brigitte Amiri (ACLU Reproductive Freedom Project) and Robin Levi (Justice Now)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;BA: many cases about prison’s impeding access to abortions.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They fight that instance, and the underlying policy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:state st="on"&gt;Arizona&lt;/st1:State&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt; case as exemplar&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Sherriff claimed to be ‘toughest in &lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;america&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Took 7 weeks from when P notified prison authorities until when she wanted it&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Procedure is now a 2 day, riskier process&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;She’s devastated, showing harms from stress, etc&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;ACLU got it from regional affiliate&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Got TRO&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Then got her the abortion&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Got the underlying policy changed&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;&lt;st1:state st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Arizona&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:State&gt; appellate court affirmed&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Sherriff and county seeking review by state supreme court&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Could also appeal to SCOTUS, b/c case was won on federal grounds&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:state st="on"&gt;Missouri&lt;/st1:State&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt; case&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Applied to entire state prison system&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Got class certification, which avoided it becoming moot&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;(&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:state st="on"&gt;Arizona&lt;/st1:State&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt; has no mootness requirement)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Public education – not every case goes to trial&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Women don’t give up reproductive rights when they go to prison&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;8th Amendment and 14th are generally there claims&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Johnson v. CA (2006?) is a reasonable review style for policies that are consistent with incarceration.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Less deference for policies not related to incarceration (this was the case about segregation in temporary housing) (Originally articulated in Turner)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Basic argument is that reproductive rights are not like rights of association and travel – rep. rights is like medical treatment and is not incompatible with incarceration.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Prisons also often compare incarcerated adult women to free teens and say that if judicial bypass can be required for teens, why not for inmates?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Response is basically that there is a clear judicial distinction&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;8th amendment claim:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Serious medical needs.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Standard is deliberate indifference&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;They argue that 1 of 3 things will happen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 2.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Miscarry&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 2.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Carry to term&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 2.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Self-induced&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 2in;"&gt;Either way, you need medical treatment and thus you’re require&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;d&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;" lang="ES"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;3rd Circuit: Monmouth Co. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="ES"&gt;(NJ) v. Lanzaro 834 F.2d 326 – 1987.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;3rd Cir. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;" lang="ES"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;&lt;span style="" lang="ES"&gt;Great language!&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Says prison must fund, transport, etc&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Pre-Casey (1992)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;14th and 8th&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Victoria W. v. Larfander?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;(5th 369 F.3d 475) 2004.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Bad case &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;L&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;This distinguished between court ordered release and absolute bans &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 2.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Aclu contends they’re the same, b/c of course prison has to obey a court order&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;No other case has adopted this reasoning&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Robin Levi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Robin didn’t speak much about this, but in addition to the woman from SisterSong at the closing keynote, she was the other ‘radical’ I heard speak.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;She believes in the complete abolition of prison as we know it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;‘people’ in women’s prisons&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Not all identify as women&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;60-70% there for non violent crimes, largely drugs and check fraud(!)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;many women of color – &lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;latina&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:City&gt; rate is twice that of whites, black is 6 times&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;pregnant women get no prenatal care, essentially: maybe some extra milk or fruit.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But, for example, no pre-natal vitamins, and they often have to pay for them.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Long and heinous discussion of destruction of reproductive capacities&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;poor / damaging pre, post, and birthing care&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;imprisonment through reproductive years&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;involuntary / unnecessary hysterectomies and ovarectomies, ‘consensual sterilization’ (while under sedation, with financial inducement, all(!?) of women of color)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;just like &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:state st="on"&gt;California&lt;/st1:State&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;’s historical eugenics in the 1970’s of Latinas, Mexicans in LA, Indians &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;utterly contrary to ACOG guidelines (American Committee of Gynecologists?)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;utterly contrary to MediCal and Federal guidelines&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;utterly contrary to Article 16 of CEDAW.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Action requests from RL&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;oppose more prison building&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;redirect that funding to communities&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;in response to questions: individual client always comes ahead of the movement, and you take a client victory by any means you can.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;statistics v. anecdotes&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;are there statistics about women in prison?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;RL and JusticeNow are doing their own surveys, and they’re happy to have help or to offer help to groups that want to do the same in their own local prisons.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;need both &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;à&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; but do really need statistics&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;but with limited access to prison system, even the 60(!) survey answers that Robin Levi has gotten is huge!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Requested remedy is often statistics.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Holy grail in parenthood cases is number of children in foster care because parents are in prison&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Center for Young Women’s Development – deals with juvenile justice – and seeing the same issues, if not worse.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Abortions much more likely when guards are involved&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;She has models of prison surveys&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sunday, 11 March: On the Books but Out of Reach, The Reality of Abortion Access.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Jenny Blasdell (National Abortion Federation), Destiny Lopez (ACCESS), Tim Stanley (Planned Parenthood MN/ND/SD), Melanie&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Zurek (Abortion Access Project)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;JB:&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;some states restrict private insurance coverage of abortion&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;TRAP laws – singling out abortion providers with special physical plant requirements or forcing them to have admitting privileges at hospitals (targeted regulation of abortion providers)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;FACE: freedom of access to clinic entrances&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Also Bubble buffers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Destiny Lopez: ACCESS/Women’s Health Rights Coalition – Oakland/California based&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;26%, 236,000, of CA women who became pregnant in 2000 had abortion&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;CA abortion rate declined by 5% since 1996&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Costs range from 350-1000, just for medical procedure (not hotel and transport, etc)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;2,360,000 in CA alone. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Could do a hell of a lot for 2.5 million a year.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Deficit Reduction Act of 2005: hits any state with medicare funding.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;People asking for coverage need to provide proof of citizenship.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Tim Stanley: PP of &lt;st1:state st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Minnesota&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:State&gt;, N. Dakota, and S. Dakota&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Wedge issues in the &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Dakotas&lt;/st1:place&gt;:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;guaranteed EC/BC for all people – to reduce the number of abortions.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Or a rape victim’s bill of rights.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Something about &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Spoke about the vast distances that need to be covered&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Melanie Zurek: Abortion Access Project in &lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;Cambridge&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:City&gt; Mass&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Spoke about getting Advanced Practice Clinicians (APC’s) lined up as abortion providers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;This has _greatly_ increased access in some areas&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Ask not if APC’s can legally provide abortions in your state.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Ask if there is anything in the state statutes or practice acts that prohibit an APC from providing an abortion.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Prevention First Act…&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;AAP partners with attorney – it doesn’t have any&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;A question was about lobbying w/out party support, this is true in the PP states that Tim covers – the democratic party does not address abortion.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He said you still have to make it worth the while of politicians and show them they’ll win votes.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;What we can do?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;visit NNAF.org: national network of abortion funds (project Haven)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;As lawyers and law students: boards / volunteers for clinics and family planning centers.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Serve as guardians ad litem.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Forge alliances.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Escort.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sunday, 11 March: LSFC National Meeting&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;call for a 3rd, broad, wave of schools to have reproductive rights courses&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;LSFC has a&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;model curriculum – it’s on the website, quite cool&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;BK has a printed copy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;May be working on a casebook&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;‘beta’ tested it at a few schools&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Did a broader launch&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Now ready to work with anyone who’s interested in bringing it to their campus&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;May be a multi-year effort at any given campus&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Can also work with students interested in crafting an independent study or reading group&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Call for people to be on the board&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Very much a student led board&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;More emails from national will follow about this&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;National and the Spiritual Youth for Reproductive Freedom&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;They funded a number of full scholarships to the conference&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;They will help facilitate religious and spiritual based programs with local LSFC chapters&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;I have contact info for Emily Goodstein – or go on the web&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sunday, 11 March: Keynote Panel&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Jessica Arons, Center for American Progress&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;I missed most of this, but I believe it was very much about mainstreaming reproductive rights and reproductive health and making it part of the standard progressive agenda&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Wants us to talk about the ‘ability’ to have a family or not, not the ‘right’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Some talk about the roles and obligations of government&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;What they do when I buy a plane ticket&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Make sure I’m not paying too much&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Keep the airlines in business&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Make sure I’m safe&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Give me recourse if something goes wrong&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Why don’t they do this when I have a reproductive health issue&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Rocio Cordoba (&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:state st="on"&gt;California&lt;/st1:State&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt; Latinas for Reproductive Justice)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Showcased a video that aired in &lt;st1:state st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;California&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:State&gt; (and elsewhere) that effectively showcased the many facets and strengths of a diverse group of women (and, implicitly, all women)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Point was to show that women already are responsible for so many things in life, why can’t they be responsible for their own reproductive health decisions&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Questions about how this will play to, for example, gay men&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Cacrf.org – women are: strong, knowing, wise, busy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Awomanknowsbest.org&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;It’s contextual&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Health, family, community, faith, individual&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Ted Miller (NARAL Pro-Choice &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:country-region st="on"&gt;America&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Had lots of statistics on polling&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;I missed a lot of this&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;·&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Loretta Ross (SisterSong)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;One of the only speakers I heard who I’d consider truly radical (Robin Levi of Justice Now is the other)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Invited us all to their national conference – which she referred to as the world’s biggest orgy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Coined the term “reproductive justice” and feels a sense of ownership – it refers to reproductive rights as a human right&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;‘Reproductive justice’ is not a drop in replacement for ‘choice’.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They’re different and both are important&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;8 types of human rights&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Civil&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Political&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Economic&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Social&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Cultural&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Environmental&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Developmental&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 1.25in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Wingdings;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;§&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;       &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Sexual&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Courier New&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;o&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span dir="ltr"&gt;Will work with groups on local (city/state) ratification of CEDAW!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3375703270470915021-4227544120035689518?l=itmightbethecase.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="feedflare"&gt;
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People make societies, and societies make people.  Let's start with the very first two people (and then go back to why we shouldn't, but might be okay to do so).  Adam and Eve.  Imagine their appearance, simultaneous and spontaneous (now I imagine you can guess what's wrong with this presumption: evolutionary theory, even my vague understanding of it, postulates the emergence of humanity as it slowly differentiates itself.  Honestly, I'll get there.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My question is what do they notice about each other.  Do they focus on their similarities, which are numerous?  Do they focus on their differences, which are similarly vast?  There are an infinite number of characteristics upon which they can base their relationship with each other: personality, treatment of animals, hair color, skin tone, height, bodily differences, sound of voice, body odor, leaping ability...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My answer to the first question is that they should notice all of it.  That at some level it's both necessary and proper for us to be aware of everything we have in common and everything that differentiates us from each other.  Basically, this is because I believe that knowledge is good.  In a catalog of assumptions, that would probably be my first. I'm thinking that I should be careful with this, because I don't want to imply that the acquisition of knowledge is necessarily the trumping activity in life and should occupy every waking moment and every dream-filled night.    But observing things and storing those observations is, at the very least, not inherently bad.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My next question is how they should use what they know.  I think this is closely related to the question of how they should behave, although it has a different emphasis.  I'm going to impose some more assumptions, because this is not a discussion in a vacuum, it's a thought exercise on how to get to a 'more ideal' world where I define ideal.  I want these two people to be 'good' to each other.  I don't want one to subjugate the other.  I don't want the two to wander off and live separately.  I want productive coexistence.  My instinct says the response should be rational: what do we need to live -- food, shelter, babies.  What do we want to have: better food, nicer shelter, toys, maybe pets.  Well what's the best way to get them: you jump higher, you build better, you have a fabulous aesthetic sense, you have an amazing rapport with the wolves in the hills. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are probably innumerable flaws in the model, some of which I've assumed away.  But it's predicated on a cooperative rational model, where anger and frustration will eventually yield to compromise and progress.  Even if the compromised solution is not the best solution if only it were considered, both people recognize that a compromise solution is better than no solution.  And there's no forced integration -- if Adam and Eve want their privacy because that's what they like, then maybe the make each other separate houses, or separate rooms.  What if one wants privacy and the other doesn't?  Well there must be some other area where there interests diverge, and a compromise can be reached.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I paint a happy picture of two people who don't notice their similarities or differences outside the context of those traits affect the ways in which they can productively cooperate.  I like this.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I also think I'm pretty far gone from recreating what actually happened in the past (and that's why I think of this as normative, not descriptive).  Humans evolved.  And some humans were probably more animal like than others.  And there was never a case of just being two people, completely rational and able to make decisions and express complex compromises.  And all sorts of other things.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I'm a dreamer.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3375703270470915021-482027268689876905?l=itmightbethecase.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="feedflare"&gt;
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From this reading and an earlier one (&lt;a href="http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0031-8108%28197207%2981%3A3%3C305%3AMAASOH%3E2.0.CO%3B2-4&amp;size=LARGE"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Morality as a System of Hypothetical Imperatives&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippa_Foot"&gt;Philippa Foot&lt;/a&gt;), I get the impression that there's a recognition among philosophers and ethicists of the the similarities among art, etiquette, and morality.  These three areas of life can be contrasted with more 'scientific' domains where we tend to readily accept notions of absolute right or wrong and, although there may be debate and misdirection as we search for it, where we believe that the 'truth' can be discovered.  Things do get a bit more contentious in these fields when we ask why the truth is true, and ultimately much of science does hinge upon some founding assumptions.  If we can modify these assumptions and get results that are still consistent with reality then we really have nothing to help us arbitrate between the validity of the different assumptions.  I'm most familiar with this in mathematics/geometry, where most of what we learn in grade school is based on an assumption that two parallel lines never intersect.  This is patently untrue if you consider the surface of a sphere (something like our planet, for example).  It turns out that you get a valid but different geometry depending on whether you accept that the may intersect or can't intersect.  One is used every day when you drive or walk or mow your lawn.  The other is used everyday by pilots flying around the world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Morality, in Art, and in Etiquette, we take a much more skeptical approach.  While there may be a broad consensus on how to live (do not kill, honor your family, be kind to strangers), even those broad maxims are violated by 'well-intentioned' people every day.  We have capital punishment, war, and murder justified as self-defense.  We have different ways of honoring family, and should we really honor them to the extent that we defer to them above all other things?  Should I go out of my way to be kind to strangers?  To all strangers?  To the neediest?  To the nearest?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What first intrigued me about the readings was the analogy to etiquette.  Polite society has norms that are much like ethical norms.  There are things we "should" do and things we "shouldn't".  But it's not clear why those rules are the rules, or why we subscribe to them, or why we're subject to opprobrium for breaching them.  It seems trite at first to compare the great moral and ethical conundrums to the question of why a table should be set a particular way or what honorific to use during formal introductions of two mutual strangers, but the underlying dynamics at play are, according to the authors cited and to my mind, quite similar.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What next intrigued me, and what sparked this post, is the idea that Art or Beauty or Aesthetics may be similar as well.  What we consider beautiful or artistic and what we condemn as ugly or unsightly seems to be controlled by similar forces.  I'm not sure if they're individual, or societal, learned or evolved, chemical or psychological, but I like the idea that they're similar.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It strikes me that studying human responses to art (I'm thinking pictures and sound, more than theater and stories) may be incredibly helpful to studying human responses to behavior.  In art, we have generally accepted norms.  We work to make sense of outliers, and to develop theories that account for just what it is that is beautiful, much less how or why we have the notion to begin with.  If we can make progress in our understanding in this realm, which to my mind is free of (or at least less burdened by) the political weight of ethics and lacks the daily import of both ethics and etiquette, then maybe we can also make progress in the moral realm.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table style="width: 491px; height: 289px;" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;iframe src="http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=itmibethca-20&amp;o=1&amp;amp;p=8&amp;l=as1&amp;amp;asins=0199252866&amp;fc1=000000&amp;amp;IS2=1&amp;lt1=_blank&amp;amp;lc1=0000FF&amp;bc1=000000&amp;amp;bg1=FFFFFF&amp;f=ifr" style="width: 120px; height: 240px;" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;iframe src="http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=itmibethca-20&amp;o=1&amp;amp;p=8&amp;l=as1&amp;amp;asins=0155017551&amp;fc1=000000&amp;amp;IS2=1&amp;lt1=_blank&amp;amp;lc1=0000FF&amp;bc1=000000&amp;amp;bg1=FFFFFF&amp;f=ifr" style="width: 120px; height: 240px;" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3375703270470915021-4621442427728828995?l=itmightbethecase.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="feedflare"&gt;
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