Katie's "SCRIVEN HALL"

WEDDING SCRIVEN & EVANS

2013-06-12T12:21:00.000-07:00

" Happy Days "

May the road rise to meet you,
May the wind be always at your back.
May the sun shine warm upon your face,
The rains fall soft upon your fields.
And until we meet again,
May God hold you in the palm of his hand.

May God be with you and bless you;
May you see your children's children.
May you be poor in misfortune,
Rich in blessings,
May you know nothing but happiness
From this day forward.
May the road rise to meet you
May the wind be always at your back
May the warm rays of sun fall upon your home
And may the hand of a friend always be near.
May green be the grass you walk on,
May blue be the skies above you,
May pure be the joys that surround you,
May true be the hearts that love you.

I'm so out of date on my blog but maybe today I can get myself restarted with this the wedding of my 2nd Greats

On this day 12 June, 1860 at St. Ann's Church, City of Dublin

By her Uncle, Rev. Joseph Medlicott, Vicar of Potterne, Wiltshire

Jane Bury Scriven, spinster, of 33 St. Stephen's Green, Dublin

Youngest daughter of John John Scriven, Royal Marine

and

Edward Kentish Evans, bachelor, Esquire of Amaroe, Parish of Caledon, County Tyrone

Youngest son of Rev. Edward John Evans, Vicar of Rostrevor Church

Witnessed in the presence of W.B.B. Scriven and Henry H. Hamilton

WBB Scriven - William Barclay Browne Scriven - Jane's older brother had wed Sarah Hamilton earlier in 1854.

Edward roughly 28 years old and Jane age 32. Not what we think of as spinster age now. I don't think that even exists anymore!

Their father, Captain John John Scriven, Royal Marine had died in 1850 but I'm sure there were plenty of male relatives around to give away the bride.

Happy Summer, Katie

Major General Robert Ross of Bladensberg, a Scriven cousin

2012-08-24T10:13:00.004-07:00

                   Major General Robert Ross
                             Of Bladensberg

                                   "The War of 1812"
                        June 18th, 1812 to February 18, 1815

August 24, 1814 Ross led the British forces into Washington. The White House and other buildings were burned. If you really read the details of this history, Ross actually curtailed the British forces from burning Washington city to the ground.

Only days later on September 12, 1814, Ross will be sniper shot and die at Bladensberg, Maryland.

This is a very brief account but there is much more if your a history buff and interested. Right now the Smithsonian's Nation Gallery has an exhibit of the above portrait on display for the 1814 anniversary rememberance of this. The link just below will take you to it

http://www.npg.si.edu/exhibit/1812/pop-ups/06-11.html

O.K. that's neat but what's it got to do with my Scriven family?

Major Ross was married to Elizabeth Catherine Glascock, and her Mother was Elizabeth Scriven Glascock.

A lot of writing would be soooooooo confusing, so I will say Jane Bury Scriven Evans & her husband, Edward Kentish Evans, were both 2nd cousins of Elizabeth Scriven Glascock. By their Scriven GrandMothers.

Jane and Edward both were born after Robert Ross dies in 1814, but grew up knowing their Aunt, Mrs. Major General Robert Ross of Bladensberg. Mrs. Ross dies in 1845, the same year as her Aunt, Mrs. Elizabeth Scriven Evans/Crawford.

In London there is wonderful statue to General Ross at St. Paul's Cathedral in London, England. link below

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Robert_Ross_monument,_St_Paul's_Cathedral.jpg

At Rostrevor, Ireland were the Ross family lived on Carlingford Lough there is a beautiful monument to him, link below

http://www.themanwhocapturedwashington.com/rm.html

PHew! That's a lot of history

In England, Ross was hailed as a hero and rewarded by the Crown with the title "Ross of Bladensburg".
If you were an Irish family coming to the United States almost 50 years after 1814, would you tell anyone you were related to the 'Man Who Burned Washington'?   I don't think so

So today we remember the day Washington, D.C. burned, August 24.
Altho' the true anniversary is 2 years away in 2014. I'd expect to see a larger rememberance of it then, even over in England and Ireland.

Happy Trails, Katie

DON'T PANIC ~ it's not 42 #s Madness Monday

2011-06-13T20:04:00.000-07:00

.Shoot! my numbers don't work with 42 - except for this tidbit

Mom's born 1921
...................age 21 in 1942 that's just the beginning

Sorry Douglass Adams, that's all I can find so far.

. After working with so many dates and numbers, some part of the brain starts to notice things. So you start making little figures and notes on the side. Play with your #'s and see what you can find !

Tinkering to see how far it will go and what I can come up with.

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my Dad, was born September 10, 1921
my Mom, was born September 15, 1921

I'm born 1953

Mom's age in 1953 32
Mom dies 1985 I'm 32

Jane Bury Scriven marries in 1860 age 32

Here's another one: Look at these #'s

I'm born 1953...................... 1974 I get married

.................. + 21 .....................- 1921 Mom's born
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..................1974 ........................53 Mom's age 1974

Pretty weird, Huh!

Here's another set;

1971 I graduate High School - Mom is 50

2003 my girl, Carla, is - 21 - I am 50

1971 + 50 ( if I should live so long!) 2021

2032 Carla will be age 50

Here's another one:

Carla is born September 19, Joseph was born 1819

I tried to make this simplier, but the page keeps making it justified to the left side of the page and screwed things up every time.

Happy Trails, Katie

"What A Friend We Have In Jesus" & St. Patrick's Day on Sentimental Sunday, Katie Morris

2011-03-13T13:22:00.000-07:00

Howdee,

Happy
St. Patrick's Day
March 17 - 2011

I just finished reading a lovely little book, as the author travels the circuit around old Ireland & writes his impressions. He remarks that in almost every little hamlet & wayside stop, he could always see in windows of the shops, dwellings & homes he was invited into, postcards like these . Written from family & friends overseas ... or ... for sale to send. You know whole towns & hamlets in Ireland were saved during the Potato Famine by cities here in the United States of America. The Irish here sending over money to see them thru hard times. Then and later sending money and presents of goods from here in America, back to their loved ones.

I was curious about my Great Grandfather, EWM ~ Mervyn Evans. I wish I could have known him and listened to him talk. I asked my older cousin Alyne, about him one day. She remarked, "Oh no, he didn't sound Irish at all, no accent". Well, of course, when the family came over from Ireland in 1869, he was only about 9 years old, so growing up here he lost the Irish voice. I was disappointed hearing that.

I'm sure his parents, Jane & Edward, would have kept the Irish in their voices all their lives.

I was thinking that Janes older brother, Joseph Medlicott Scriven, would probably have kept the Irish in his voice all his life too. What a treasure it would be with all the technology we have today, . . . . . if we could have "What A Friend We Have In Jesus", in his own Irish'r voice.

When I was growing up, we were always told, "Oh yes, your Irish & German & English ....."
I sort of knew the old people came from those countries. Only living life here in this current life of days passing, those other places were like a wisp from an almost forgotten dream. Unreal to me.
Doing the genealogy is a wonderful course in geography, history, biographies & more. For me it makes these unmet ancestors come alive and be real persons. I can see them all as in a Masterpiece Theater story.

Now that we'll be celebrating St.Patricks' Day for Ireland this Thursday, I wish we had a day to celebrate for Germany & England & all the other countries as the calendar year goes by. I think that would be great fun!

~ ~ ~REMEMBER ~ ~

Everyone is IRISH on
St. Patrick's Day
so be sure to wear some Green somewhere ~ somehow ~ someway . . . . so you don't get pinched!

Happy Trails, Katie Morris

Pilgrim Memorial, Provincetown ... Mayflower Monday Madness

2011-03-07T19:31:00.001-08:00

Howdeee All,

Attended my 1st Mayflower Society luncheon on
February 26th. A birthday treat to myself. What a lovely group of happy people.

We met at the Cattlemens' Restaurant in Petaluma, CA..
Started off with the Pledge of Allegiance, which I found very refreshing to stand up and say. There was a roll-call, for which Pilgrim we came from. Fun to see there were 5 others from Governor William Bradford like me.

Surprising to find I sat across the table from 2 sweet ladies, Barbara Millet Webster & her sister, Myrna. Barbara was the best friend of Blanch Evans when they were growing up !!! Blanch - my mother's cousin. Of all the people in the room ~ they are the ones I chatted with right off and shared the dishes with.

Barbara told me her Mayflower ancestor actually had gone overboard during the crossing in a storm. But that he was able to grab some ropes and get back aboard. God! How scary is that and almost unbelievable. That the ship was swaying so much, it leaned so far to the water he could grab ahold and get back aboard. How fantastical
The world isn't just small ~ it's a Mobius strip!

These photos from the website for the
Pilgrim Memorial Monument at Provincetown.
I had never heard of this before and it's on the cover
of The Mayflower Quarterly booklet for this last December 2010. So naturally curious I looked it up online. A great website with loads to look at.
Anyone taking a trip to see Mayflower or Pilgrim stuff, this is 1 place I'd definitely go see. I'm sure it's on the hit list with schools and groups to visit. They are probably mobbed all school year.

Pilgrim Monument and Provincetown Museum

http://www.pilgrim-monument.org/

Sorry to say I have lost my Youtube video link to the story about Joseph Scriven :(
It's not on Youtube anylonger. If I find it again, I'll post it. It was a nice video about his life and the photography in it was great.

I thought it was something I did when I changed my background for the Blog. I wasn't looking forward to working on the nuts & bolts to fix it.

ANyway I poked around for awhile trying to find what happened to it, and found it's gone. PHEW! A relief to know it wasn't something I'd done.

Happy Trails, Katiebird

What A Friend We Have In Jesus - Madness Monday

2011-02-28T19:46:00.000-08:00

Howdeee Everyone
NOT LeapYear

Since my birthday was last week. I bet everyone with February birthdays follow whether it's a Leap Year or not. So many things to share but will just do the following for now.

I'm a Science Fiction fan since I could pick up a book. I clearly remember reading "Zip Zip and the little Red planet ~ or ~ little something?" When I was in elementary school. & I fell in love with the books of Andre Norton by age 9 and kept on going from there.

I just watched the movie "The Troll Hunter" & loved it so much I wrote to the director, Andre Ovredal, on FACEBOOK. What the heck does this have to do with Joseph Medlicott Scriven? Well, if you watch the whole movie you'll find out! & when I did, I cracked up laughing
And it does really connect to a madness theme for Madness Monday, so this all ties together.

http://www.trollhunterfilm.com/

Katie Morris February 25, 9:05 pm to Andre Ovredal

I LOVE the whole movie "The Troll Hunter". I live in California & only know English but I don't even remember reading the subtitles ( which were very well done, Thank you )
I cracked up laughing when Hans plays "What A Friend We have in Jesus". Joseph M. Scriven who wrote this was my Great Great Uncle. His sister Jane ... was my Great Great Grandmother.
My blog for her is "Katie's Scriven Hall".
I am recommending the movie to my friends & family. & I will watch it again. Congratulations on your good work & everyone who was involved in making it!
Best Regards, Katie

André Øvredal February 26 at 4:56am

Dear Katie! How great! Wonderful that you liked the movie so much and great fun that your Great Great Uncle wrote the song! It was just the perfect song for that moment, we searched high and low for the correct one. It was a lot of fun putting the ideas of the fairy tales, like the "fact" that they can smell Christian man´s blood, into a real context, then adding twists like having the trolls react to Christian themed songs and setting up questions like - what about people of other faiths? It was fun all around :-)

Anyway - really nice of you to contact me, and

my best wishes,

André

p.s. I will say I found the poster on Google images saying it may be copywrited. So if anyone wants to tell me to take it down - I'll happily comply - until then here it is

Happy Trails Katiebird

"RIP" Edward Kentish Evans .... Surname Saturday

2011-02-12T17:59:00.000-08:00

Edward Kentish Evans, Esquire

15 February 1892

Husband of Jane Bury Scriven Evans, dies this day
at their home in Alameda, California.

Edward a native of County Armagh, Ireland, came to the United States in 1869 with Jane and their children; Edward William Mervyn "EWM", Elizabeth "Alice", Edward John, Catherine "Kate" Jane, Adalaid Dora, & Blanche Emily who was born in South Carolina, USA.

Born 5 June, 1831 he died at age 50 years old. He attended Trinity College in Dublin. Brother of Reverend John Evans, & Dora Jane Evans Disney. Son of Reverend Edward John Evans & Elizabeth Kentish. All of who "Crossed the Bar" before him.

Unfortunately his son, Edward was to be married in Alameda on the day he passed away. The wedding has been postponed for the funeral.

Edward is buried in Mt. View Cemetery, Piedmont, California. His site is on the high hill just a couple of rows below & in front of the Crocker Memorial, facing the West & sunset. The year of 1892 will give a clear view to San Francisco and the bay, with none of the trees obstructing the view that will grow up over the years. The Golden Gate Bridge, Bay Bridge, & the San Rafael/Richmond Bridge all as yet unbuilt.

Jane will 20 years later, be buried with Edward when she dies in 1912.

- Rest In Peace -

HAPPY TRAILS KATIEBIRD

Mrs. Elizabeth Marmion - Tombstone Tuesday

2011-01-17T21:09:00.000-08:00

HAPPY NEW YEAR!
&
"HOWDeeeeeeeee"

Died 18 January, 1865

Elizabeth Barclay Evans Brown,
wife of Henry Marmion of The Island, co. Cork, Ireland.

Born in 1812 she was almost 53 years old. She & Henry had 5 children I know of, surviving to adults. Henry went on to remarry and have more children. Philip Marmion, a lovely gentleman in Surrey, who I correspond with, is descended from this 2nd family. Henry was his Grandfather.

Elizabeth was born to not yet Rev., John Brown & Elizabeth Barclay Evans. When Elizabeth was born, her mother died shortly after on 19 June, 1812. She was buried at St. Anne's Church gravyard in Dublin.
Unfortunately the gravyard was paved over and no tombstones survive, the Church tells me. I was hoping to have a photo of her stone, alas!

Her father Rev. John Brown, went on to marry again to Anna McCartney in 1815. She also a Scriven descendant. Anna will be mother to little baby Elizabeth until she marries Henry Marmion, 23 years later. Then Anna dies in 1839. Living to 1 year after she sees Elizabeth wed.
John married a 3rd time to Margaret Simpson and will have more children with her.
Rev. John Brown, father of Mrs. Elizabeth Marmion, is buried at his church, St. Mary's, Leicester, England.

Photo above of Rev. John Brown hangs in his Church St. Mary's. I am indebted to the lovely Mrs. Virginia Wright, Historical advisor, for sending me this & several items about the Church.

Dr. William Barclay Brown Scriven, brother of Jane

Yes, buried down in this whole story it comes to GGgreatgrandma Jane

Dr. Scriven named for;
William - his Grandfather William Scriven
Barclay - GreatGrandmother Elizabeth Barclay
Brown - Uncle in Law Rev. John Brown

Yeah! Lots of names get confusing, but if you can follow any of this - good on you!

Hope to find little Elizabeth's grave in France one day and photo it for my collection.

Happy Trails, KATIEBIRD

"FOR DUMMIES" Treasure Chest Thursday

2010-12-23T10:34:00.000-08:00

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HOWDEEEEE ! & MERRY "CHRIST"MAS

Thought I wouldn't get around to this for awhile yet - maybe do for my New Year's Resolution?

I came across the Irish History for Dummies awhile ago but still have to get it from my library. & Looking for a good picture to put here of it, found the Dummies website & this 2nd book, Ireland for Dummies. I am sooooo looking forward to reading these.

OF course Dummies has a website, DUH!
( I hear a palm smacking my forehead!) but just did not occur to me.

http://www.dummies.com/store/product/Ireland-For-Dummies-5th-Edition.productCd-0470422076.html

Hope the link works, my sister is always telling me my links don't.
" Oh Well " ... I keep trying. If not just cut & paste, or do your own search

So now I have a new New Year's Resolution, wonder if I'll get to it before summer?

Here's a lead-in:
1814
Major General Robert Ross burns Washington, D.C.

This 200 year anniversary is only a couple of years off

What's his connection to the Scriven family?

Happy Trails, Katiebird

John Enraght Scriven ..... surname saturday

2010-12-20T22:51:00.000-08:00

Died 20 December, 1872, Friday at Denver, Colorado.

John Enraght Scriven

4th son of Captain John Scriven & Jane Medlicott

Brother of Joseph Medlicott Scriven, Dr. William Barclay Brown Scriven, George Scriven, Catherine Mary Ann & Jane Bury.

Jane and family had come to the USA in 1869. They were living on the east coast when John died in the dead of a cold Colorado winter. Later Jane & family will live about Denver a few years before traveling on to California. A sad Christmas to learn a brother had died.

Merry Christmas to All

"Thanksgiving" Treasure Chest Thursday

2010-11-25T09:08:00.000-08:00

Thank you, Governor William Bradford & wife, Alice Richards, my Pilgrim ancestors, for creating this Holiday. I LOVE Turkey and can eat it every day of the year. Odd how my girls don't - so we usually have either Crab or Corned Beef & cabbage. I guess they have more of the Irish blood. Altho' CRAB was plentiful at the time of the Pilgrims. It actually was then considered not a wanted food. Prisoners were fed on crab & lobsters.

I'm so lucky to have my Grandma Alma Cluver's postcard collection. It fills a shoebox size memory box ( A very pretty box she received as a gift from her friends in the "Order of The Eastern Star". This was her woman's Masonic group ) & 3 albums. This card of 1910.
Grandma Alma was Jane's . . . . granddaughter.
I'm constantly looking thru them for different things. And sharing them with family I make contact with. Many postcards of the old years were photographs of the senders.

These photos are from Eric & Alyne Evans Anderson, and their trip to Massachusetts & New Hampshire. Governor Bradford's statue, the Mayflower Society House, & Alyne at the statue of Massasoit 'Chief of the Wampanoags'.

Happy Trails, Katiebird

Halloween Wedding 1868 ..... Sentimental Sunday

2010-10-31T17:48:00.000-07:00

HALLOWEEN DAY at 8:00 A.M.

October 31 1868, Rev. Jenks of St. John's Episcopal Church in Petaluma, entered in his ledger on Saturday, the marriage of;
Mary Ann Elizabeth Timms & Joseph Richard Hinkston
The Sonoma County Clerk issued the license Monday, October 27.
The Wedding was Wednesday, October 28.

Almost 50 years later in this same church, St. John's Episcopal, June 1917, their grandson, Harold Henry Cluver marries Jane Bury Scriven's granddaughter, Alma Muriel Evans.
Their wedding was the joining of 2 large ranches at Petaluma. The Hinkston Ranch on the road from Petaluma to Sonoma Town that was bought from General Mariano Vallejo. And the Timms Ranch, just south of Petaluma.

Both the Timms & Hinkston families were pioneers to early California. Mary Ann's parents, Ann & Anthony Timms came from England in 1841 to Michigan. & on to California crossing the Isthmus of Panama ( a horrible journey that deserves better telling ) . Richard's family, Hinkston began from New York. His father Harlow, pioneering out to Missouri and marrying Nancy Hill there. Then to California in a Wagon Train.

So many wonderful old Halloween pictures - my favorite
is always Pumpkin Head from the OZ stories.

Have a great
Halloween

Happy Trails, Katiebird

"SCRIVEN HALL" for Sentimental Sunday

2010-10-24T15:54:00.000-07:00

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SCRIVEN HALL for our family was in the Santa Cruz, California, mountain Redwoods. Located at the newly created Christian center 'Mt.Hermon'. Jane bought her lot there when the Mt. Hermon Center was about 4 years old.

This 1908 post card Jane mailed home to her son, EWM Evans from Mt. Hermon
"Is not this grand it is near our tents, I wish you could see this lovely place, they are all enjoying it so much, will write Loving Mother
Can you tell that there are 5 women in the picture? 1c postage

Jane's deed from the Recorder's Office in Santa Cruz. There is so much you can learn from your Recorder's office. When someone dies, it is common to find wills - & from foreign countries!!! attached to property deeds. After the death the property- LAND is re-recorded into a relatives name or other & I have found several wills in this way. Many times several relatives are signers on deeds, so that can tell you their actual name, spelling ect. & dates they are still alive, & where they live. Anyone can search at their recorder's office. Usually you can access for free the wonderful old ledgers & most also have microfilms that you can make copies of for a couple of bucks or just digital photo the screen yourself.

Wills are kept at county, Superior Courts. Most all have websites now & you can find info there. or CALL
$20 is average for a search, copies, & mailing or some want a SASE.
This excerpt from Jane's will dated
7th day of November 1911. She died 4th January, 1912.

She died before the fire a few years later, that burns thru Mt. Hermon. If you look at it today it's grown back so you'd never know the damage it did.

It also appears that all these little parcels are where the fire did great damage as they are all gone now.
Lot #19 was Jane's. I love reading the old deeds that say " Gold Coin". I always wonder if they really exchanged gold coins, especially when the amounts are for hundreds of dollars. Today's deeds are not so colorful. Another phrase, I often see when selling to a relative is not " ... Gold Coin" but instead ' ... In or With Love & Affection'.

Happy Trails, Katie

MAYFLOWER MONDAY to Governor William Bradford

2010-10-11T21:16:00.001-07:00

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HOORAY! I DID IT!

I dedicate this blog entry to my dear cousins, Alyne & Eric Anderson. They worked so hard back in the 1990's to document our Tupper lineage and bring it down to the current years. They went back to New Hampshire & Massachussetts and got the oooooooold birth/ marriage / death documents needed to fill in the line down to themselves. They found the old cemeteries, saw the old homesteads and met! TUPPER relatives in person. HOW COOL
When we started working on genealogy together they really encouraged me to document my own line and join the Society too. ( Alyne's father & my Grandmother were siblings, Arthur Evans & Alma Evans )
This took a lot of time & effort but it was fun to do and now after almost 3 years, I am joined in the "Mayflower Society". Now if my own decendents ever want to do it, I have done the work at least as far down as myself.

Jane & Edwards son, my GreatGrandfather who was E.W.M. Evans married Martha Tupper. It is thru Martha's Tupper ancestors that the line goes back to Govenor William Bradford of the Mayflower and the Pilgrims.
Pictures above are EWM Evans ( Jane's oldest son ) & Martha Tupper.

Happy Trails Everyone, Katie

Marmion Monument MONDAY for Geneablogger? Hmmmm

2010-09-20T12:45:00.000-07:00

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HOWDEE,

Different photo I received for the Marmion stone.
You can clearly read that Henry Richard is buried at Tullough, but his stone is lost to mother nature now.
How amazing to find so much information carved and how well it has lasted thru the years.

This from a wonderful volunteer William Casey in County Cork, Ireland. Bless his kindness and his transcription of the stone.

In Memory of your grandparents.
Henry Richard Marmion
Died 23 Feb 1896. Age 80
Interred at Tullough
Grace Elizabeth Marmion
Died 22 Feb. 1932. Age 91
Their children
Rose Mary Marmion
Died 9 Sep. 1911. Age 34
Interred at Chamba India
Reginald Pat Marmion
Died 24 July 1935. Age 55
Philip Henry Marmion
Died 28 Aug 1935. Age 61
May they rest in peace

Henry Richard Marmion married Elizabeth Barclay Brown ( 1st cousin to Jane's husband - Edward Evans )
After Elizabeth died in 1865, Henry Richard Marmion married Grace, had more children & that is who are on the stone. Their line continues down to this day.

The Barclay name comes down from our Quaker ancestor, Robert Barclay 'The Apologist'. Jane's own middle name - Bury - comes down from the Barclay line too.

Happy Trails, Katiebird

Sentimental Sunday & Video

2010-09-19T18:54:00.000-07:00

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HOWDEEE ALL,

Most Wonderful youngest daughters BIRTHDAY today,
'Happy Birthday CARLA DEE'. Since she's clear across on the other coast & won't spend day together, gives me time to be on blog.

Spent some time fiddling around with nuts & blots backstage here. More than 1 trial and error and finally figured how to get just the ONE video to show. Several times Youtube wanted to be helpful and add so many more for things I've never looked at. Thanks, Youtube but I just want the 1 for now.

I watched "What A Friend We Have In Jesus", put up by whatsmylife, quite awhile ago. Then I wrote to them. Had several so nice emails with Keith, my new penpal. He was very generous and told me it would be fine to share the video on my blogsite. Just takes me awhile to get chunks of stuff done. This video struck me as putting everything all together in an easy way to follow. & I like the way it begins in Ireland . . . and then moves on.

Watching this as it tells of Joseph's 1st sweetheart drowning in Ireland, Jane would have been in her early teen years. And when Joseph 1st goes to Canada in 1844 on the video, she was about 15. Imagine an older sibling leaving when your that age, and maybe never seeing them again for years. Happens all the time with people going into the military, or school far away. When Joseph returned to Ireland on a visit, 20 years may have passed before Jane saw her big brother again. So many families have these dear strangers.

A down under wonderful "cousin" sent me some letters . . . "treasure". From 1868 & 1877. A younger brother writing to his older brother across the oceans & continents & time - of 50? years. To make touch and reach out to share his memory & feeling of love of family before his life ended. These from a Crawford Uncle of Jane & her husband. Remember Jane and Edward were 1st cousins!

Phew enough chat - enjoy the video

Happy Trails, Katiebird

' What A Friend We Have In Jesus' & 'Brother Ire'

2010-09-06T16:15:00.000-07:00

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.'Brother Ire'
Back about 1959 my mother recorded on our reel to reel tape recorder ( My Dad brought it home from his Navy tour to Japan ) the song, 'Brother Ire'. Brother Ire has always been a favorite of mine since then. Mom knew I liked it and used to say 'Brother Ire' once in awhile to tease me. It always had the leadin & end music of 'Rock of Ages'. My recorder and tapes have been in storage for awhile and I've been missing listening to them. So the other day I looked on the internet and found it. This is not the rendition I have on the tapes.

The Story Of Brother Ire by The Dixie Echoes

and here you can hear the whole song played by Rhapsody.
http://new.music.yahoo.com/dixie-echoes/tracks/story-of-brother-ire--178273733

What a TOTAL surprise, this rendition begins with, 'What A Friend We Have In Jesus'. I couldn't believe it when I listened the first time. By the end refrain I thought I'd imagined hearing the Scriven song at the beginning. I had to play it over a couple of times.

I NEVER would have imagined I'd ever hear these 2 things combined. Brother Ire a huge favorite from my childhood and the Scriven song. I cannot even express what an amazing - whatever - --- this is to me.

So then I wondered if I could find the rendition I grew up with and have on my old tapes, online.

I listen to Porter Waggner & Jim Reeves and all I could find. Eventually I got to his own,
Archie Campbell's on Youtube, from 1960 the creator of

Trouble In The Amen Corner---Archie Campbell

http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=0IXvXEqpRBY&feature=related

This is the version I grew up with & so love to hear, Brother Ire.

Hope everyone is having a Great Labor Day Weekend,

Happy Trails, Katiebird

SPELLING Surname SATURDAY

2010-08-21T15:50:00.000-07:00

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HOWdeeeeeee,

Surnames, Everyone knows that is someone's Last name - Yes? Like mine is Morris.
Forename, is your own name - like mine is Katie.
& Middle names are like frosting, or sprinkles added on top. and maybe throw in a generation thing like -' the 2nd' or 'the III' ect..

Douglass, Douglas, Duglas

What happens when you look for someone and can't find them? OK I've had some I couldn't find, for instance a 'DOUGLASS' family. Yes, it really should have the 2 'ss', and later generations have dropped to 1 only.

I knew this guy had a place - most likely a farm and a family but they were nowhere in the old census. Hmmm. Well - towns in California were smaller then back in the 1800's. I knew the town - so I settled down and read thru every page in the census for it. & I found them - spelled 'DUGLAS' .

Times, Tims, Timmons ...

ANTHONY TIMMS my 3rd Greatgrandfather died in the mental hospital at Stockton, California. His wife Ann, didn't find out until she insisted on visiting him, forced a visit & then was told he'd been dead for 3 years! They had been telling her that visits upset him and not to come. And I won't go into the whole ball of wax about asylums here. Stockton had his name spelled wrong and thought it was another man who died. Which makes me wonder what about the other guys poor family - if he had one. However the officials butchered the name. I was in person at the San Joaquin records counter, & the girl couldn't find any kind of death record.
However, since then I have now a copy of his record at Stockton, after going thru several hoops. Times is the spelling on it. & Anthony is on the census of the Stockton Asylum more than one year. Again spelled wrong - but once I found the Asylum pages - I just read thru them all until I found him.

Several other times not finding the people, knowing the town - I have just sat and read every census page for it & found who I wanted. It's not always the writer on the original census page. OFten today, it's an eye twister trying to read the old fashioned script and they are put online spelled wrong. I'm sure I couldn't do that for a large city, but for the smaller towns I was looking at - it worked.

The Irish Census that just came online 1901-1911 and a name spelled wrong online. You can see the real page if you choose, but the online typist just didn't see the spelling I knew was correct. I see now after I sent in a few notes to correct, they have it spelled right. Emma Pakenham Evans/Disney - she a 1st cousin of Janes' husband, Mr. Evans.

Maybe it's mis-spelling, BAD handwriting, inked over pages :( , or you just don't see it there because your looking for a pristine image. Maybe you had a Martian trying to write names from Saturn - this does not compute - but they write it down the best they can anyway. Maybe it was a German trying to put down French names or whatever. You know the Spanish pronounce 'i' as 'e'. In English - 'HI' would be pronounced as 'he'. You have no way of knowing who actually wrote down the old records - but open your mind to other possibilities when you think you can't find someone

Happy Trails, Katiebird

MARMION - Tombstone Tuesday

2010-08-03T19:24:00.000-07:00

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A wonderful surprise today when I received this tombstone photo from my penpal, Bill Fahy of County Cork, Ireland.

Jane's father-in-law Reverend Edward Evans, had 1 natural sister - Elizabeth Barclay Evans who married Rev. John Brown. Jane was also a 1st cousin of Elizabeth ( thru their Scriven lines ). Elizabeth died very young, just after her only daughter was born & also named Elizabeth.

Elizabeth married Henry Richard Marmion.

This is the tombstone of Richard Walter Evans Marmion and family. His parents were Henry Richard Marmion & Elizabeth Barclay Evans Brown.

I've worked a few years trying to find this family stone. Bill has been such a kind person sending me information from his side of the Atlantic and making suggestions. I'm glad to say I've read & seen many interesting things from lovely people I've corresponded with. But we had pretty much decided that mother nature had reclaimed it. Probably even was aging into the ocean at a seaside cemetery.

This photo just came online this month of August 2010 !

" Photo by Mary Leonard-Walsh,Cork".
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/cork/photos/tombstones/markers.htm
I wrote to Mary to thank her for her posting, and she so kindly sent me more photos of the Creagh cemetery & Church. A lovely lady that has taken a LOT of cemetery photos.

And now I have a copy. Here it is at last, the stone I had read about and couldn't find. Boom! So much is being submitted by wonderful volunteers. More and more every day at so many various sites, & for so many varied subjects. Never stop checking a site, like a closed book on the shelf when your done reading it. Keep a list on the side to remind yourself to go back and check - even if only once a year for new things. Say "HI". Make it easy for others to spot you and help. Don't expect people to search back thru the past years of entries and spot you.

I've written to some entries I had nothing to contribute, but to ask them since they are local people for their advice. Especially when it's a site overseas like in Ireland, England, Scotland ...
All have answered my ignorant questions so nicely. AND made several suggestions that led me to treasure.

Happy Trails, Katiebird

Jane Scriven & Sentimental Sunday

2010-07-18T15:16:00.000-07:00

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I was thinking some more after yesterdays post. Of speaking about dead relatives.

You know when you miss or want to see someone today, all you have to do is phone or email or go visit. I like writing paper letters so I do that too. & most cell phones now & computers you can see your person when you talk to them ( I confess I am not that advanced, Ahem! ) You can call and hang up - call again a second later when you remember something - and call again - again - again...

I visit with people all over the world and we are really seconds away from each other this way.

When someone dies, all you can do to visit is go to the grave. At home you can pull out their pictures or letters & momentos.

You don't have to bury them away from your life. Talk about them to family & friends. Quote things they said or did, to others. Tell stories about them. You don't have to get long winded and get boring or turn others off. But injecting funny things about people or

"my Grandma Alma once did that too, she ....."
"I heard my Uncle Douglas was there, he......"
" I got this ........ from my Granny (my great grandmother Alla) "

It's like spending time with them, if you can say their names and remember them.

I've wondered how Jane must have been sadly heartsick to live so far away, from her old family back in Ireland. And then as the years go by that she was the last one of them all alive. Even with her own many children around her and their families. Her own children were under 10 years of age when they left Ireland. My Great Grandfather EWM Evans was 9 years old when they left in in 1869. When she became an old lady here, was it easier to put the old family back in Ireland away in a box of photos & letters. Who could she talk to about them? How many of them did her own children remember from so long ago?

Think about your own family now
How many branches you have & last names

Jane had the same back in Ireland, & relatives I'm sure her own children never met. As we do here now. So don't put your people away in a box in the closet. Talk about them when you can. Genealogy and family history are made for this. You don't have to make the kids sit down for a class about the old people ( tho wouldn't you love to have a captive audience) . Just be sneaky and inject little stories about them whenever & wherever you can. One day you'll be amazed at how much they soaked up from you.

Happy Trails, Katiebird

1st Name Saturday - Surname Saturday

2010-07-17T19:40:00.000-07:00

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. Boo-Hoo! "The Ide's of July" took Most WONDERFUL youngest daughter back to Washington, D.C. to get ready for University again in August. Pretty sure I got in enough hugging & new pictures to last until Christmas time. I know Erma Bombeck used to write in a crazy busy house, while cooking dinner in the kitchen and holding the paper in one hand and doing spaghetti with the other. My brain goes blank when it's on a countdown to the Most WONDERFUL daughters departure to fly back. The thoughts are there but the brain just doesn't connect with the typing fingers.

You know you go along and all your people are named in your mind, as you live and grow you know them as Grandma this, Grandpa that, Uncle so & so, Aunt zu zu, cousin blankety blank and whoever address's anyone by first saying, "Hi Cousin Zelda". We never say that to their face. Only when we're speaking about them with someone else. Personally, I like saying "Hi Cuz", but that's just me.

When my Mother was a toddler, she couldn't say her name, but she could almost pronounce "shisher", for sister.
That stuck and everyone forever called her 'Sis'. Her own parents & siblings always called her, Sis. All my cousins called her, Aunt Sis.
Good thing everybody always called me Katie, tho my given name is Kay. Having 2 Kay's in one house would get confusing. As I'm sure a lot of families experience when they have the same thing, with same names in one house.

Couple of years ago I was finding some information to give my Aunt Rose. She lives a good distance away and we weren't able to get our families together much thru the years. I was talking to the guy and he commented how odd it was to hear me say 'Aunt Rose'. Me someone he never met or knew. A complete stranger using a family salutation. You could get possessive.
You could almost feel like,
"Hey, who does this person think they are? This is MY Aunt. Only I can call her Aunt. You can't!"

I heard the most wonderful expression a little while ago. My dearest Grandma Alma was called Auntie Alma. I have NEVER heard her called Aunt before. Of course she was an Aunt to a LOT of people, but I have not visited with those cousins before and it took me by surprise. I wanted to hear her say it over and over it sounded so amazing to me.

One of the things I knew a long time ago, is that one of the saddest parts of someone dying, is that their name isn't spoken much anymore. People skirt around saying it so people don't what? Take on and start crying or something, trying to be kind. I think, that thinking is really a cruelty. When someone is gone, that is when you should be saying their name the most. Talking about them, reliving memories of them.
When my cousin said "Auntie Alma", I had a flash of actually seeing her like it was today, not 36 years ago & that felt great. For the time of a brief phone conversation and now a little later, it felt great.

Happy Trails, Katiebird

SCRIVEN surname Saturday

2010-07-03T11:49:00.000-07:00

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JANE BURY SCRIVEN EVANS

It's all in the name isn't it. Some of my greatest help has come from using the old formula for naming. This has given me tremendous breakthru's in working on people, especially in the UK, Ireland, Europe and beyond.
Wish it had entered my mind when I had my own girls 30+ years ago. I might have named them a schoosh differently. Either of them would have got an Alice or a Kay or Katie.

I am Kay "Katie" Alice Cox- Morris.
My mother was Martha "Kay" Alice Cluver -Cox.
Her grandmother was Alice "Alla" Hinkston- Cluver.
Her mother-in-law was Catherina Margarethe Cluver- Cluver.
Her mother was Catherina, and so on, and so on .....

Jane was named for her mother, Jane Medlicott ( aka Mrs. Captain John Scriven )
Bury comes down from the Barclay, Robert Barclay " The Apologist" Quaker, on Captain John's side ( & also the line of Jane's husband, Edward ).
Scriven also comes down on the line of Jane's husband, Edward.
Jane & Edward were 2nd cousins.

I have used the old naming formula as a great aid in helping me work on names. This chart has given me tremendous help in finding information on names. Look at your people, see what names are in the middle - search those middle names - you'll come up some great information you didn't even think of looking for.

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.Irish Naming Patterns

1st son was usually named after the father's father
2nd son was usually named after the mother's father
3rd son was usually named after the father
4th son was usually named after the father's eldest brother
5th son was usually named after the mother's eldest brother

1st daughter was usually named after the mother's mother
2nd daughter was usually named after the father's mother
3rd daughter was usually named after the mother
4th daughter was usually named after the mother's eldest sister
5th daughter was usually named after the father's eldest sister

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Copy this, use it. I've kept a copy in front of my eyes - on the cork board I have on the wall, at the back of my desk. I do the same thing with the 'days of the week' for this Blog, Monday Madness ... Tuesday Tombstone ... ...... a note tacked on the board where I can see it and not have to look it up all the time.

Have a Great 4th of July, Happy Trails Katiebird

Just got this ' Tombstone' Tuesday

2010-06-29T20:17:00.000-07:00

HI EVERYONE,

Caroline Chamberlin Shepler
died 21 April, 1899 ?

connects to

John Quincey Adams BALLOU, a previous post.

Working on Mr. Ballou's family to find our 'Auntie Tupper', I've been so lucky to have a lovely lady penpal of Mr. Ballou's family, Glenna. Glenna has sent me some wonderful Ballou family things; people photographs, large family Ballou Bible, and assorted other little goodies. I try to think to ask others when they help me, if I can do anything for them here.

Glenna mentioned her relatives had been looking for Caroline Chamberlin Shepler for a long time. Believed died in Oakland, California or Alameda, California .... I found several things about the family, census stuff ... other tidbits. Could never find Caroline's obit. I frequently order up newspaper microfilms using my library's interlibrary loan system. Takes time, but saves me a lot of driving and other bother. Could never find her obit.

Out of the blue last night, I heard from another sweet lady 'Jonne', also been looking for Caroline too ..... TACOMA, WASHINGTON Caroline is buried in Tacoma, Pierce County, WA.

Who knew !!!! Have to write back to Jonne and ask how they ever found Caroline up in TAcoma. So glad to forward the Tombstone picture and information on to Glenna. Wish I was up there to clean up the stone and try it see everything on it better. Glenna first mentioned Caroline to me back in January of 2009. So a year and a half's not so bad a patch. Makes me feel like I'm an archaeologist!

A refreshing change to take a break and help others out. Digging for your own people all the time, writing off for information, finding volunteers .... it helps to take a break and do totally different people for someone else. & I have great BIG story for that ( to put in another post ) which is actually about my lovely penpal in Ireland, Irene.

So a great success story with CAroline and Gold Stars all around,

Happy Trails, Katiebird

Follow Friday? isn't that Saturday!

2010-06-25T17:40:00.000-07:00

Ha! Ha!

Geesh! time can't go this fast but already a month has flown by since my last entry. Just too much life going on to sit down and putter at the blog. Most **Wonderful** oldest daughter has graduated from CSULA, in Los Angeles, California with her Master's in Accounting. So horribly proud of her I could bust and almost squeezed her to death several times. Hey, she & her sis are my living dolls, of course I want to play with them. Was a great visit, always too short.
This time also had first visit to the La Brea Tarpits, park in almost downtown LA. Always wanted to go see this, and see if it looks anything like they use in movies, hmmm... some yes, some no. A beautiful park, got lots of pictures. Did not know the pits formed long AFTER the reptile dino's went their way in the BIG die off. So they don't pull out any T-REx or such biggies.

Youngest most **Wonderful** daughter returns to Gallaudet D.C. in mid-July so getting in all the hugs I can before that. Try to get enough to last until Xmas vacation, if she comes home then??? What does Mom ever know ?

So June almost over but had great genealogy results this month. Lovely volunteer in Scotland sent me photos of graves. I had lost the ones I had, and these were hugely welcome replacements. The last of my Evans line in the UK. This too huge a story to type all now.
Heard from a in-law relation of this line, with a new address. This time I got the stamp with the fairy in her chariot drawn by birds & a red mail box set in a brick wall.
Sadly received word of an older relative here in California died. This family line my grandfathers. Another huge story with this line to much to type today. In brief had visited with her mother-in-law 25 years ago, she died and then lost all touch. I shared a lot of this family history with the town museum & historical society. A couple of years ago, here comes her granddaughter asking about the family? The docent got us in touch with each other. Success story***
Just remember - when something doesn't work and you can't find anything - then cross that off your list and move onto something else. Even not finding information is information too.

Happy Trails, Katiebird

THERE IS "NO" TOMBSTONE ... Tuesday

2010-05-25T13:37:00.000-07:00

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SO you find the cemetery and go there.
You have the cemetery map and the plot information.
You have all the data and facts you could find.

Your there - standing at the plot - and no Tombstone :(... Maybe nothing at all but bare dirt. What a letdown is that!

DON'T GIVE UP! Get Down - start digging!!!!

I've gone to cemeteries with all my facts and maps and ect.. Camera ready, sketch pad & pencils & chalk ( I like to use a Newsprint pad with it's brown paper and I freehand draw what I see. The layout of the plot and what the stone says. As many details and I can. ) , ready and ........... no stone. You'll find that even when you take lots of pictures, you'll get home and not be able to make out what the stone says. WaHHHH! .... but stop and think.

It doesn't take long for weeds and grass to take over anything. Leaves fall ... dirt washes over and sediment grows.
I went to one plot where I was so disappointed to find NO stones. So I sat down and thought for a minute. Many cemeteries lay their old stones flat to protect them ( outside the USA too ) , many fall down over time. The 1906 earthquake in SAn Francisco, California toppled many works of art in the cemeteries. I scrounged around and found a strong dead tree branch and started scraping & digging. Way under the leaves and some dirt I found the man's stone. So then I figured his wife who wasn't mentioned on his, must have her own. So I dug around and found hers. Then I figured some children must be nearby too. So I dug around and found them.

Nature will bury them again, as they are on a wooded hill. But I got my photos and had a great time finding this buried treasure. How more disappointing it would have been, if I hadn't just sat down to enjoy the atmosphere for a little while, and thought things out.

Now I always have a few things in my car, under that back seat. Too many times I've just happened to be in the area and popped into a cemetery, with nothing to help me. So now I keep some yard gloves, a little yard tool of somekind - maybe a hand trowel or small shovel, a rough brush of somekind - a horse's currycomb is good .. especially an old one that isn't too stiff, & an old toothbrush is always my best friend.

Many times I've had to dig or scratch away dirt at the bottom of a stone. As the buildup of soil covers the bottom lines of writing. Moss, mildew & dirt fill in images and writing. Often just some good rubbing with a cloth, wipes off stuff so I can read the stone or make out the images.
Anyway, whatever works for you.

So another day down, I don't have to report for Jury Duty Summons. My fingers are getting tired of being X'd that my juror number won't be called. Now, I'm not shirking my civic duty. I've sat on juries and it seems I get the summons every other year. But - why does it seem the county picks on me. How come none of my relatives get the call? Oh well, can't fight it - altho after so many times, I have some ideas of how to get let go. Like the much older gentleman who fell asleep in the jury box, head nodding and chin on his chest, his hearing aid whistling. Like in a movie, the entire courtroom quietly looked at him at the same time and all knew what was happening. The judge thanked & dismissed him, and called the alternate up.
Too much hassle going in & out of the courthouse now with the security checkin line. I just stay inhouse for lunch and breaks. If you really want to piss off a judge, just show up late anytime. No excuse is acceptable. Got some good books to take by Lincoln Child & Clive Cussler, and my crosswords.

Happy Trails, Katiebird