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		<title>Comment on Making Standard SIMM s Work / Memory Upgrade on the HP LaserJet 6MP / 5MP by Don Pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Pedro</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, I forgot one point, sorry!

A short hit for the soldering: Lock carefully at the modules you intend to use. very often these have universal PCB&#039;s carrying the chips. This means you have one PCB being used for different types and sizes of modules. Therefor the presence detect pins are not directly connected to GND but wires will leads to four solder pads (sometimes even marked with 1, 2, 3 and 4). If in doubt a multimeter will show up the responsible pads. I&#039;m pretty sure that in the Simm picture above these pads are on the very right side of the front view of the Simm module. Look closely, there are 8 square pads, four of them connected to GND and the others to the PD-connectors of the module. It is very reasonable to use these!

So, instead of trying to solder on the tightly packed connector pins you could change the configuration with these pads. This might involve removing some pads already shorted, shorting other pads not yet connected and maybe un-shorting pads that are default-shorted (by a copper strip on the PCB, not by soldering). To unshort take a small, sharp knife and afterwards test with the multimeter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I forgot one point, sorry!</p>
<p>A short hit for the soldering: Lock carefully at the modules you intend to use. very often these have universal PCB&#8217;s carrying the chips. This means you have one PCB being used for different types and sizes of modules. Therefor the presence detect pins are not directly connected to GND but wires will leads to four solder pads (sometimes even marked with 1, 2, 3 and 4). If in doubt a multimeter will show up the responsible pads. I&#8217;m pretty sure that in the Simm picture above these pads are on the very right side of the front view of the Simm module. Look closely, there are 8 square pads, four of them connected to GND and the others to the PD-connectors of the module. It is very reasonable to use these!</p>
<p>So, instead of trying to solder on the tightly packed connector pins you could change the configuration with these pads. This might involve removing some pads already shorted, shorting other pads not yet connected and maybe un-shorting pads that are default-shorted (by a copper strip on the PCB, not by soldering). To unshort take a small, sharp knife and afterwards test with the multimeter.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Making Standard SIMM s Work / Memory Upgrade on the HP LaserJet 6MP / 5MP by Don Pedro</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Mar 2013 12:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello!

I could possibly give some more detailed or additional information:

The table above is maybe not completely correct or a bit outdated. Compare here:

http://ps-2.kev009.com/eprmhtml/eprma/h871.htm

and here (German only)

http://www.elektronik-kompendium.de/sites
/com/0405171.htm

You will find similar tables elsewhere on the net.

So this explains why putting a &quot;huge&quot; 32MB Simm into an old printer will show up only a small memory size: Due to the lack of presence detect pins older bit combinations later have been reused for larger modules: 1, 16 and 64 MB Modules share the same bit combination, same is valid for 2, 32 and 128 MB as well as 4 and 256 MB. Very old printers (or computers) don&#039;t know about this fact and thus 16MB will show up as 1MB only. This limits the amount of maximum memory you can use with this systems.

Then some points concerning the old LJ4 (non plus model):

This printer falls into above category, 32MB is the maximum upgradable memory amount, using 4 x 8MB FPM&#039;s. This printer does not accept EDO (didn&#039;t exist yet then). It does however *require* parity Simms (later printer do not). It can accept both double sided Simms with 8 or 2 ram chips on each side (the parity rams left aside, in sum these do result in 3, 12 or another number of chips on each module side). And it does accept FPM&#039;s with 70ns or slower access time *only*, all others will be rejected. Nevertheless you can down-pimp faster modules to cooperate with this printer. I was able to get 60ns modules running. Simply resolder these modules to pretend to be 70ns modules and the printer will accept them without a hasle. Generally speaking, faster modules will always be able to run in a system requiering only slower modules. So you will do no harm to any component involved. This is simply a problem of an outdated printer firmware. At the time the LJ4 was build there were no 60ns FPM&#039;s and the bit combinations later on used for these were undefined. so HP made the firmware recognize these as illegal instead of blindly assuming a certain speed and size. So, just make the printer think it were 70ns modules and everyone&#039;s happy!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello!</p>
<p>I could possibly give some more detailed or additional information:</p>
<p>The table above is maybe not completely correct or a bit outdated. Compare here:</p>
<p><a href="http://ps-2.kev009.com/eprmhtml/eprma/h871.htm" rel="nofollow">http://ps-2.kev009.com/eprmhtml/eprma/h871.htm</a></p>
<p>and here (German only)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.elektronik-kompendium.de/sites" rel="nofollow">http://www.elektronik-kompendium.de/sites</a><br />
/com/0405171.htm</p>
<p>You will find similar tables elsewhere on the net.</p>
<p>So this explains why putting a &#8220;huge&#8221; 32MB Simm into an old printer will show up only a small memory size: Due to the lack of presence detect pins older bit combinations later have been reused for larger modules: 1, 16 and 64 MB Modules share the same bit combination, same is valid for 2, 32 and 128 MB as well as 4 and 256 MB. Very old printers (or computers) don&#8217;t know about this fact and thus 16MB will show up as 1MB only. This limits the amount of maximum memory you can use with this systems.</p>
<p>Then some points concerning the old LJ4 (non plus model):</p>
<p>This printer falls into above category, 32MB is the maximum upgradable memory amount, using 4 x 8MB FPM&#8217;s. This printer does not accept EDO (didn&#8217;t exist yet then). It does however *require* parity Simms (later printer do not). It can accept both double sided Simms with 8 or 2 ram chips on each side (the parity rams left aside, in sum these do result in 3, 12 or another number of chips on each module side). And it does accept FPM&#8217;s with 70ns or slower access time *only*, all others will be rejected. Nevertheless you can down-pimp faster modules to cooperate with this printer. I was able to get 60ns modules running. Simply resolder these modules to pretend to be 70ns modules and the printer will accept them without a hasle. Generally speaking, faster modules will always be able to run in a system requiering only slower modules. So you will do no harm to any component involved. This is simply a problem of an outdated printer firmware. At the time the LJ4 was build there were no 60ns FPM&#8217;s and the bit combinations later on used for these were undefined. so HP made the firmware recognize these as illegal instead of blindly assuming a certain speed and size. So, just make the printer think it were 70ns modules and everyone&#8217;s happy!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Making Standard SIMM s Work / Memory Upgrade on the HP LaserJet 6MP / 5MP by Don Pincott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Pincott</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This worked a treat, many thanks for the post.

The original online purchase was supplied without the speed detection being set and Arch Memory immediately sent a replacement without requiring any return from NZ.  That’s great service. With nothing to lose, I decided to give this a go and ended up with two working cards! I used resistor leads and a jump wire.

FYI - The 16MB ram lights up all the lights on the printer and it then appears to freeze, unlike the original 6MB which is ready almost immediately. 

Like others, I thought S%#@ and immediately turned it off.  I reseated the card and also tried other slots and rechecked the detection modifications.  Everything looked okay, but I still got the apparent lockup.  

However, further Web research found others had encountered this and reacted the same way.  Turns out the printer was only checking the Ram and settles into a single ready light after 35 seconds (45 seconds with the two extra cards).

The second gotcha - The replacement card (which had its speed and presence detection already set), did insist that it be seated in slot 1 before the printer would even fire up at all - so you may have to play around a bit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This worked a treat, many thanks for the post.</p>
<p>The original online purchase was supplied without the speed detection being set and Arch Memory immediately sent a replacement without requiring any return from NZ.  That’s great service. With nothing to lose, I decided to give this a go and ended up with two working cards! I used resistor leads and a jump wire.</p>
<p>FYI &#8211; The 16MB ram lights up all the lights on the printer and it then appears to freeze, unlike the original 6MB which is ready almost immediately. </p>
<p>Like others, I thought S%#@ and immediately turned it off.  I reseated the card and also tried other slots and rechecked the detection modifications.  Everything looked okay, but I still got the apparent lockup.  </p>
<p>However, further Web research found others had encountered this and reacted the same way.  Turns out the printer was only checking the Ram and settles into a single ready light after 35 seconds (45 seconds with the two extra cards).</p>
<p>The second gotcha &#8211; The replacement card (which had its speed and presence detection already set), did insist that it be seated in slot 1 before the printer would even fire up at all &#8211; so you may have to play around a bit.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Making Standard SIMM s Work / Memory Upgrade on the HP LaserJet 6MP / 5MP by yancey</title>
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		<dc:creator>yancey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 06:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks for clear helpful info
followed info and successfully upgraded the 5mp
dropped 2x32mb(the only unused available with OEM &#039;presence detection&#039;)
recognized full,showed total 67mb(32+32+3 soldered based memory)
available memory 38mb,I think this is because 5mp max limit is 32mb
truly helpful info,thanks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for clear helpful info<br />
followed info and successfully upgraded the 5mp<br />
dropped 2x32mb(the only unused available with OEM &#8216;presence detection&#8217;)<br />
recognized full,showed total 67mb(32+32+3 soldered based memory)<br />
available memory 38mb,I think this is because 5mp max limit is 32mb<br />
truly helpful info,thanks</p>
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		<title>Comment on Making Standard SIMM s Work / Memory Upgrade on the HP LaserJet 6MP / 5MP by Gerard V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerard V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 02:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I spoke with the seller in email exchanges they are allowing me to return the ram using a pre paid label. They said two things could be wrong 1 ram is no good and 2 something about a pin configuration jumper for the pin 3 was missing. I would assume its exactly the same thing you show here. Its the jumper, I attached a photo for them and they confirmed that as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spoke with the seller in email exchanges they are allowing me to return the ram using a pre paid label. They said two things could be wrong 1 ram is no good and 2 something about a pin configuration jumper for the pin 3 was missing. I would assume its exactly the same thing you show here. Its the jumper, I attached a photo for them and they confirmed that as well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Making Standard SIMM s Work / Memory Upgrade on the HP LaserJet 6MP / 5MP by Dennis Little</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Little</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 01:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry to hear that the memory isn&#039;t working out well. If they are a reputable seller, they should stand behind the RAM they told you would work (assuming a mistake was not made in selection). I am unsure what all orange lights means for that particular model, but you definitely should not have to solder
RAM that was spec&#039;d to work out of the box. If the seller will not replace and you do end up soldering, let us know if you have questions. Best of luck!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to hear that the memory isn&#8217;t working out well. If they are a reputable seller, they should stand behind the RAM they told you would work (assuming a mistake was not made in selection). I am unsure what all orange lights means for that particular model, but you definitely should not have to solder<br />
RAM that was spec&#8217;d to work out of the box. If the seller will not replace and you do end up soldering, let us know if you have questions. Best of luck!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Making Standard SIMM s Work / Memory Upgrade on the HP LaserJet 6MP / 5MP by Gerard V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerard V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 01:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello all, I have a HP LaserJet 6mp printer. I purchased 2 16mb 70ns fast page 72p SIMM, the website I got it from made me select from menus in terms of the printer make and model. After installing the memory and turning the printer on I get nothing but the orange lights. What I dont understand is that if this memory was specifically for this printer, do I still need to do this soldering with the pins, which I dont have a clue of how to do?

Thanks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello all, I have a HP LaserJet 6mp printer. I purchased 2 16mb 70ns fast page 72p SIMM, the website I got it from made me select from menus in terms of the printer make and model. After installing the memory and turning the printer on I get nothing but the orange lights. What I dont understand is that if this memory was specifically for this printer, do I still need to do this soldering with the pins, which I dont have a clue of how to do?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<dc:creator>Barry H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 04:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(This is a Business Class account- I used a residential modem)
Hey everybody, I just used SB 6121 DOCSIS 3. Unplugged the P.O.S SMC Business Class Gateway. Plugged in the motorola SB 6121 it went through about 5 minute bootup and restart. Clicked on internet explorer, the xfinity (comcast) screen popped up. It asked for the account number and the phone number, took 10 minutes for the activation and it was all up and running. I was then able to forward ports to other externel computers with my D-link $35.00 wireless router. Very easy! Once you remove the SMC gateway, Port forwarding is easy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(This is a Business Class account- I used a residential modem)<br />
Hey everybody, I just used SB 6121 DOCSIS 3. Unplugged the P.O.S SMC Business Class Gateway. Plugged in the motorola SB 6121 it went through about 5 minute bootup and restart. Clicked on internet explorer, the xfinity (comcast) screen popped up. It asked for the account number and the phone number, took 10 minutes for the activation and it was all up and running. I was then able to forward ports to other externel computers with my D-link $35.00 wireless router. Very easy! Once you remove the SMC gateway, Port forwarding is easy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Making Standard SIMM s Work / Memory Upgrade on the HP LaserJet 6MP / 5MP by Dennis Little</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Little</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 18:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Mark,

Thanks for taking the time to write and let us know that this trick worked for your LaserJet 4M Plus. You are welcome and happy printing! 

-Dennis]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time to write and let us know that this trick worked for your LaserJet 4M Plus. You are welcome and happy printing! </p>
<p>-Dennis</p>
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		<title>Comment on Making Standard SIMM s Work / Memory Upgrade on the HP LaserJet 6MP / 5MP by Mark Robson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Robson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 18:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Dennis
May I add my thanks to you for this article
Mine is a Laserjet 4 M plus (old but tough) and two sticks of 16 meg 72 pin memory from ebay.
Sure enough it did not work just gave a 53.00.02 fault.
By adding the correct links all now fine, printer recognises memory and works a treat.
Thanks again.
Mark.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dennis<br />
May I add my thanks to you for this article<br />
Mine is a Laserjet 4 M plus (old but tough) and two sticks of 16 meg 72 pin memory from ebay.<br />
Sure enough it did not work just gave a 53.00.02 fault.<br />
By adding the correct links all now fine, printer recognises memory and works a treat.<br />
Thanks again.<br />
Mark.</p>
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