Neither my wife nor I had seen anything in the road. The sudden bump didn’t seem severe enough to have been a person, or even an animal, though it was more than a speed hump would have caused. We didn’t see anything in the road when we came back the other way. 

By Friday morning daylight, though, a large swell in the pavement was visible. The county had posted one of those “Motorcycles Use Extreme Caution” signs, one of the rare times they seemed to be helpful.

I’ve seen many slumps and even washouts after the kind of rain we had Thursday. But a swelling was new to me. I would think a rise like that supported only by water would have made the asphalt break up. I asked what was going on.

The out basket: Doug Bear of Kitsap County Public Works said it was, caused by water. 

“We have found that water is infiltrating under the roadway causing the portion you saw to raise up. We did some preliminary work to minimize the bump and plan additional work in the next week or two to determine what is happening. 

“We are going to use our video pipe inspection system to look at the drainage there to determine where the problem is. Once we identify that we will develop a permanent solution.”

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“For some reason,” he said, “the engineers felt that westbound traffic on Burwell needed a left-turn signal to enter a Diamond parking lot at the south end of Warren. Not only does this seem odd, the left hand light is very long. Eastbound drivers going to the ferry terminal stack up at the light in the mornings and during peak ferry loading times, while no one ever turns left. 

“I have not timed this light, but few people turn left into the parking lot.  And the time it delays eastbound traffic towards the terminal seems unwarranted.

 ”I would submit that this light is totally unnecessary,” Robert said. “And certainly it should stay green for a very short time.  It is a back route into an alley that could access the back of the new police station, but the police station has a much shorter access just west of it.”

Also Bill Throm of South Kitsap told me many months ago he got the impression the light stayed green way too long for cars EXITING that parking lot.

The out basket: Brenden Clarke, project engineer on the tunnel, who also holds sway over the changes made to accommodate the tunnel, says the problem is kind of collateral damage from serving the main traffic flows.

“Due to the through and left movement on Burwell heading eastbound, the east and westbound directions of Burwell must have separate phases,” he said.  “As a result, when westbound comes up green the eastbound direction must receive a red so that the eastbound lefts are not in conflict.  

As long as they have to be stopping eastbound Burwell traffic while the westbound is flowing, they might as well leave the turn arrow into the parking lot on green even if traffic rarely demands it, he said. No other movement would be permissible during that time.

They tried splitting the left turns onto northbound Warren from the through eastbound traffic, giving the latter a green light while the inside lane from which turns must now be made stayed red. 

“Despite pavement markings and the signal displays, motorists who have been used to turning left only for two years did not take well to the new configuration,” he said. “People were turning left on red, or turning left from the right lane when left lane motorists were going through.” 

“The signal is currently set up as efficiently and safely as possible considering the constraints,” he said. ”(The state)  and the city of Bremerton worked together to come up with the signal timing that is currently being used.  Without major (and costly) modifications to the signal, we feel that it is operating as well as it can be.” 

As for traffic leaving the parking lot, I can’t say what the case may have been back when Bill mentioned it, but it’s green only long enough to serve waiting cars now.

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She got the impression that the practice of deducting the value of a trade-in from the price of a new car and applying the sales tax rate to the difference was about to end. It used to be that way, that the sales tax rate was applied to the total purchase price of the new car, but it was changed by voter initiative in 1984.

That’s a big deal, if true, I told her. 

The out basket: Fortunately for car buyers and sellers, it’s not true. 

Mike Gowrylow, spokesman for the state Department of Revenue tells me, “No legislation was passed to eliminate the trade-in deduction, and none has been proposed.  

“If anything, legislators have been sympathetic to the fiscal plight of car dealers and bills were introduced during the 2009 session to give them tax breaks such as a lower B&O tax rate, though none passed. Eliminating the sales tax deduction on the value of trade-ins would be a tax hike and increase the total cost to buyers and discourage sales.

Mike added, “I can only assume the salesperson was misinformed, or auto dealers may be fearful that the trade-in law might be repealed.  Or it was just a way to encourage someone to buy now.”

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As far as she was concerned, that lot is “a known place in the county, as far back as anyone can remember, to sell your vehicle. My husband bought his truck last February from seeing it on this same lot,” she said.

“When I dropped my car off at 9 a.m. that Sunday the row next to the highway was filled. I had to park mine in the back row. I believe there were at least 20 cars with ‘for sale’ signs at that time.  When I came back at 5:30 to pick up my car, every car that was still on the lot with a ‘for sale’ sign, had a ticket.  For sure I saw eight cars with tickets.

“What irks me is that for many year’s this park and ride IS a well-known place to leave your car.  I had even checked with a long time resident of Bainbridge Island and he had not heard/saw that cars are being ticketed/forbidden to be left there. 

“Has something happened that the rules have been changed, the laws are going to be enforced and vehicles ticketed?  Why had violators not been consistently ticketed and laws enforced in the past?  Why now, why the change?” 

The out basket: I don’t know if it was infrequent enforcement or what that led the community to believe that weekend display of “for sale” signs on cars in that lot was permissible. But there certainly is no such exemption on the big official sign near the entrance to the lot. It says no unauthorized cars or cars with ‘for sale’ signs are allowed there. It’s surrounded by brambles, so obviously is not new.

Since Sandy wrote, I’ve checked park & ride lots at McWilliams and Mullenix roads and in Purdy, and all have the identical sign forbidding the practice.

The signs all say such cars are subject to being impounded, which can cost a lot more than $101. Besides, impoundment probably would be in addition to a ticket rather than a substitute for one. So it could have been worse for those who were ticketed at Agate Pass.

WSP Sgt. Ken Przygocki told me “The Agate Pass Park & Ride … is intended for motorists who carpool, vanpool, ride bicycles and utilize the transit system and is clearly posted advising everyone of this intent. The … posted rules are in effect 24 hours a day and seven days a week.

“I encourage your readers to make themselves aware of all posted signs on state property before leaving their vehicles unattended,” he said.

I have been unable in several attempts to get an answer from WSP to Sandy’s question about whether the Oct. 4 ticketing sweep represents a new direction in enforcement of this rule. I don’t know if it was done on the trooper’s initiative or she had instructions from above to do it. Nor do I know how common such enforcements have been.

Whatever the case, taking the signs to mean what they say would be the smartest policy.

It’s not easy to find a well-traveled spot to leave a car with a for-sale sign on it. You can get away with one or two of your own cars on your own property, but if on someone else’s property, or if it’s a succession of different cars, it becomes a zoning violation that will get county code enforcement involved.

John Clauson of Kitsap Transit said his agency doesn’t want the park& ride lots it maintains on its own without state partnership to be used for selling cars either.

County code enforcement officer Steve Mount’s best advice? Get a classified ad. 

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A friend of TheJudyBaker, my wife, who rides to and from work with her, always admonishes her to slow way down in Port Orchard, because a young relative had once been ticketed for doing one mile over the speed limit there.

The out basket: I didn’t even have to ask if that’s possible, when Al said he knew all about it.

When he came to town 10 years ago to take over the department, he found that Port Orchard officers would sometimes give speeders a break by citing for a little less than the speeder actually was going. I’ve generally found that to be a common practice in many places.

Then, as now, the first five miles per hour incurs a lesser fine than 6 to 10 over, which has a lesser fine than 11 to 20 over and so on. 

A Port Orchard  officer who caught someone doing 11 over, for example, Al said, might write the ticket for 1-plus over, incurring the smallest fine.

But the practice was back-firing,  he said, in that a lot of people came away from the experience convinced they’d been ticketed for 1-over. As I’ve often written in this column, instances where a person is stopped and cited for less than 10-over are quite rare.

So he told his troops to just write it for the actual speed, he said. There shouldn’t have been any 1-over tickets in Port Orchard for years.

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“When I am approaching an intersection,” Robert said, “I normally am glancing back and forth between the traffic signal and the intersection rather than looking at the right shoulder for a sign so it makes little sense to me why the warning signs are placed where they are.  

“Are they concerned with extra weight on the cables or posts holding the traffic light?  Or is there concern of the warning signs catching the wind and causing problems that way?”

The out basket: Larry Matel, street engineer for the city of Bremerton, which has several photo-enforced intersections, replied, “Warning signs are customarily placed on the right side of the road in the direction of travel as a standard location  where drivers expect to find them. Sometimes signs are placed over travel lanes to augment traffic signal indications.”

Examples I can think of advise when left turns are legal and what kind of yielding is required, when right turns on red are forbidden, and what kind of turns are allowed from what lanes. 

Larry continued, “Yes, wind concerns can also come into play when placing a sign.  If a sign is supported overhead by a cable, (as those at photo-enforced 11th and Warren in Bremerton, are, for example) most likely two cables would be needed in some locations for sign stability.”

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It wasn’t the first time, either, she said. Is it no longer the responsibility of the person entering a freeway to yield to anyone on the freeway already, she asked.

Though she often does move to the inside lane in such situations, that time she chose not to. “She should not expect me to speed up or slow down” to let her in, Joy said.

The out basket: No, the law hasn’t changed, and should there have been a collision, the woman entering the freeway would have been at fault. 

In the real world, though, most drivers do move over to the inside lane to make way for the entering car. The dirty look may have been because the other woman was expecting that, rather that a belief that it was a requirement.

The woman did slow and fall in behind her after scowling at her, Joy said. 

She noted that often a car in  the inside lane keeps a driver from moving over, though she didn’t say if that was the case during her small confrontation.

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When southbound on Washington Avenue, he said, there is a sign hanging in its intersection with Sixth Street indicating a right turn to get to the ferry to Seattle. When I checked, I saw the same sign overhead as one exits the Manette Bridge onto Washington.

But, Jim notes, there is no comparable sign on Sixth at Pacific Avenue, where a left turn must be made for the direct route to the ferry terminal. 

A person new to town would most likely continue straight on Sixth for who knows how long, Jim said. 

The out basket: Absolutely right, said Brenden Clarke, who has a lot to do with streets in Bremerton these days even though he’s a project engineer for the state. He was in charge of the tunnel project and incurred responsibility for a lot of city issues related to it. 

“We reviewed the site today and concur that there should be a sign at Sixth

and Pacific,” he said. “We are working on getting a sign installed at that

location.”

Maybe some of you familiar with GPS systems could let me know if having one operating in your car would alert you to the need to turn from Sixth onto Pacific to reach the ferry terminal even when no sign tells you to.

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He asks if a driver in that situation should  “make a complete stop then make a right turn when the traffic coming from Olympic College is green, or make a complete stop and wait for the light to turn green while listening to those drivers behind you honking their horns. 

“I know someone who recently got a ticket for making a right turn after stopping when the ‘Stop on Red’ light is on. What do you think?”

The out basket: Lt. Pete Fisher of Bremerton police says choice A is the correct answer. “The sign was meant to make it clear to motorists that they must stop on red (We were getting a large number of people on the camera who were not stopping prior to making their turn. We wanted to try to reduce the number of violations with this sign).  

“Once they have stopped, then they can proceed to make a right on red when traffic permits,” Pete said. They needn’t wait for the light to turn green.

I think the only reason a right turner would get a ticket there would be rolling through the turn, and not stopping completely. It’s the most common infraction caught by the red light cameras.

If it really is merely for turning on red, I think the person should inquire about the reasons. 

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Bruce Robison said, “When the project was listed long ago in the state’s  Olympic Region status on the web, traffic signals were going to be placed at Bravo Terrace, Geiger, Converse, and Phillips. Did this just get dropped?” 

Gayle Dilling wrote, “Please tell me that after months of noise, detours, sleepless nights, bumpy roads, honking horns, watching children darn nearly get run over by speeding cars on Sedgwick, the removal of so many trees,and the previous report that there WOULD be a light at Converse that soon they are going to install a light there!”

And a commenter on the Road Warrior blog at kitsapsun.com under the e-mail name sandismailbox, asked “What happened to the light we’ve been hearing about for years at Converse? They should have left the road alone by (Highway 16) and used the money for a light on Converse.” 

The out basket: It’s easy to confuse “light” to mean “traffic signal,” and that’s what Project Engineer Brenden Clarke thinks happened in this case. 

“There seems to have been some misunderstandings or miscommunications regarding the ‘lights’ at four intersections,” he said. “There were three intersections that did get ‘lights’ as a part of the project. (It) installed illumination systems at Converse, Jackson, and Phillips. Geiger Road was originally scoped to have had an illumination system added, but it did not meet the criteria since it does not have left turn channelization.

“The original and final scope of the project did not include traffic signal systems,” he said. “It seems that there were some people that believed that the ‘lights’ to be added were traffic signals, but the intent has always been illumination. 

“There is also a developer project that may go forward that would install a traffic signal and illumination at Bravo Terrace.”

If Gayle really did read in The Sun that there would be a traffic signal at Converse, I hope I didn’t write it. If I or some other reporter did, we may have fallen victim to the very confusion Brenden describes between lights and signals.

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