http://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/New York Times Paywall!en-usFri, 18 Mar 2011 11:42:09 -0400600cleanepisodichttp://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239127@hjs11211, the NYTimes web site sells your info just as much as facebook does. When you visit the Times online, the ads are being targeted based on your past browsing and any info they managed to get out of you when you subscribed. My point was that facebook only has the costs of maintaining a website, so they can make a profit through advertising -- aka, selling your info -- alone. The Times has most of those costs and also has to pay for content. Facebook also has hundreds of millions of monthly visitors, versus tens of millions for the Times, so the amount they need to get out of each user is lower. Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:42:09 -0400http://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239127fullhttp://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239118im sad for the nyt. this is a big fail for them. confusing, unimaginative, very expensive. clearly this is just designed to boost sales of the paper version, rather than create a viable, profitable digital version. i just bought and ipad 2. dear nyt, guess what? your ipad app is seriously not very good. (not at all engaging, doesn't feel like its up-to-the minute like the website, nothing at all to make me love it and use it) im a new yorker so yeah, im gonna subscribe to your paper paper so i can read your website and play your crossword puzzles. (oh did we not mention that unless you subscribe to paper the crossword puzzle is still another $40 a year!) but listen this sucks ok? i dont like big machines and trucks and dead trees, you're really bringing me down. instead of a new profitable digital subscriber, im an old fashioned paper subscriber. i want my money to be a vote for your digital paper, but you're making me vote for your paper paper. (at least i can use it for my dog to pee on) what is so hard to understand about $0.99 a week? oh yeah: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it." Upton Sinclair Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:26:20 -0400http://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239118fullhttp://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239108Edward from NJ not my point my point is they sell your info. ny times could do that also. Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:12:58 -0400http://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239108fullhttp://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239107The discussion missed a couple key points about the absurdity of the pricing model. It costs MORE to get the NY Times electronically than it does to get the physical paper. Plus, they penalize people who want to access their content on multiple platforms even though the content is the same and the user is just one person. So if I want to access NYT content on my computer, mobile device, and iPad, I can either pay $8.75/week for an electronic-only subscription or pay $3.10/week for 5-day subscription (which goes up to $6.20 without the discount). It makes no sense. It's the opposite of "green." They can't possibly make more money on printing and moving around physical newspapers than they can by selling the same content electronically. They are actually penalizing what I assume would be their most desirable demographic (people who buy multiple electronic devices, including a computer, mobile, and iPad are probably people that advertisers want to target). Ultimately, paying $8.75/week for an electronic-only subscription is a stupidity tax of at least $2.55/week over the cost of the physical paper which includes the electronic subscription. Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:12:18 -0400http://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239107fullhttp://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239102As a former web designer for a Fortune 500 company in NYC now living in an upstate hinterland, I both have a sense of how much work goes into making nytimes.com and can't imagine life without it. I'm happy to pay up. Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:04:52 -0400http://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239102fullhttp://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239101I don't have objections to the idea of paying for content, but the Times chose the worst possible method: Subscription. It is so old, so unimaginative, so compulsory and trite that I wonder why they couldn't come up three years ago with this system. They studied the issue to death just to come up with this model? And, on top of it, it is clumsy, confusing, weird, and complex. My prediction: it's going to be the new New Coke. Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:02:49 -0400http://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239101fullhttp://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239099I don't know why anyone would pay for the tablet version. If you have a tablet, you could just pay the $15 and visit the web version using you tablet's browser browser. An app may be helpful on a small phone screen, but it's really not necessary on a tablet. Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:02:05 -0400http://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239099fullhttp://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239098the "weekender" (with the pompous tv commercial "i'm fluent in 3 sections actually") is only 3.15 a week. that's 163 a year. 30 bucks a month to read it on an ipad is 360 bucks. I had thought of doing this before when they first announced it, but now i'm not sure. can i get a weekend app only subscription? its all too confusing. Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:59:55 -0400http://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239098fullhttp://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239097$35/month is quite expensive for all access to news and articles and opinion. Many intellectuals, including academics, are on low salaries and $400/yr is just not justifiable. Maybe $15 but I would pay that just to access the nyt on my iPhone or 20 on the iPad. I'd just save the 20 for Paul Krugman's articles. Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:59:29 -0400http://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239097fullhttp://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239096I have to agree $195 a year is a lot of money. Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:59:16 -0400http://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239096fullhttp://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239095zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. how much air time for this topic? really? Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:57:40 -0400http://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239095fullhttp://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239094The NYT is a treasure, and despite a rather steep $195/year I was ready to pony up, but their policy statement says the crossword is excluded. How do they justify that? Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:57:15 -0400http://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239094fullhttp://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239092I saw a posting on craigslist yesterday where someone in Philadelphia was offering a free subscription to someone, so that he could get the online access, which is a cheaper cost than online subscribing! Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:56:15 -0400http://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239092fullhttp://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239091Can I share a subscription with another person as long as only one is on at a time? Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:55:20 -0400http://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239091fullhttp://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239090As near as I can tell, there is no saving in a digital-only account with the new NYT pay system. For years, the Times claimed that digital was more efficient -- no paper, no printing, no delivery costs -- but now they want to charge as much for digital as for print? Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:54:30 -0400http://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239090fullhttp://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239089@hjs11211, facebook spends absolutely no money on content. Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:54:04 -0400http://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239089fullhttp://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239087I am wondering how much it is going to cost for me and my husband. We each have iPads and iPhones and laptops. If we each have to pay for an account to access content on our toys, I am just not doing it. I am worried they are preparing to gouge us. Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:52:45 -0400http://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239087fullhttp://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239086The time period is 4 weeks, not a month. Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:52:39 -0400http://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239086fullhttp://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239079The cost of the subscription is less than two cocktails, even here in Brooklyn. Please stop the whining and pay up. Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:46:41 -0400http://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239079fullhttp://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239066why cant the times just collect and sell my personal data like facebook does? Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:38:40 -0400http://www.wnyc.org/story/118728-finding-chinks-new-york-times-paywall/#comment239066full