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        <title>around the web (March 22, 2010)</title>
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        <published>2010-03-22T02:14:29-04:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-22T02:18:33-04:00</updated>
        <summary>Jim Mille explains why his PR course will emphasize scholarship on cognitive dissonance. . . . . . Main Justice has a long, detailed article about whether the Office of the Inspector General will, or should, take over the OPR's...</summary>
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            <name>John Steele</name>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">Jim Mille <a href="http://jimmilles.com/2010/03/21/teaching-legal-ethics/">explains why his PR course will emphasize scholarship on cognitive dissonance</a>.     .  .  .  .  .    Main Justice has a long, detailed <a href="http://www.mainjustice.com/2010/03/19/opr-torture-memos-report-kickstarts-push-to-strengthen-inspector-general/">article</a> about whether the Office of the Inspector General will, or should, take over the OPR's role in investigating the ethics of DOJ lawyers.     .  .  .  .  .     <a href="http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202446561437&amp;Encyclopaedia_Britannica_Sues_Dickstein_Shapiro_for__Million">Encyclopaedia Britannic has sued Dickstein Shapiro</a> for $250 million over allegedly botched patent prosecution.     .  .  .  .  .     A Connecticut lawyer is <a href="http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202446570041&amp;rss=newswire">accused</a> of trading legal services for sexual relations.     .  .  .  .  .     If you're interested in the interplay between insurers and insured about how to notify the carrier and and to self-represent in liability cases, <a href="http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202446561150&amp;InHouse_Lawyer_off_the_Hook_for_Alleged_Errors_Leading_to__Million_Award">here's an article</a> about a county counsel who allegedly informed the carrier just days before discovery closed of a tort action that was thought to be well within the $300,000 retention amount -- and that resulted in a $30 million jury verdict (since reduced to $19 million).  The county's trial lawyer is not liable to the carriers, according to a United States District Court judge.</div>
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        <title>Disposable income and a zeal to litigate = professional disaster</title>
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        <published>2010-03-20T20:00:13-04:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-20T20:00:13-04:00</updated>
        <summary>Story at Legal Profession Blog.</summary>
        <author>
            <name>John Steele</name>
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        <title>IP Profs: Inequitable Conduct doctrine needs rethinking</title>
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        <published>2010-03-20T19:36:31-04:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-20T19:50:23-04:00</updated>
        <summary>Q: When does a lawyer's ordinary negligence, judged in hindsight by the client's enemy, constitute actual fraud? A: When the Federal Circuit is applying the "inequitable conduct" doctrine against patent prosecutors. Over at Patently-O (one of the great topic-specific law...</summary>
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            <name>John Steele</name>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>Q:  When does a lawyer's ordinary negligence, judged in hindsight by the client's enemy, constitute actual fraud?  </p><p>A: When the Federal Circuit is applying the "inequitable conduct" doctrine against patent prosecutors.</p><p>Over at Patently-O (one of the great topic-specific law blogs) <a href="http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2010/03/therasense-v-bd-en-banc-support-from-law-professors.html">here's news</a> of an amicus brief by IP profs asking the Federal Circuit to stop the insanity.  (Disclaimer: <a href="http://www.law.mercer.edu/faculty/bio.cfm?staffid=268">David Hricik</a>, one of our own, is on the <a href="http://www.mammenlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/CAFC-2008-1511-Law-Professors-Amicus-Brief-re-Inequitable-Conduct.pdf">brief</a>, as are profs I know and respect like <a href="http://www.law.syr.edu/faculty/facultymember.aspx?fac=52">Lisa Dolak</a>, <a href="http://www.ggu.edu/school_of_law/law_faculty/gallagher">Bill Gallagher</a>, and <a href="http://law.wvu.edu/faculty/full_time_+faculty/michael_v_risch">Michael Risch</a>.  As long as I'm on the topic, it's worth mentioning that among Bill's many accomplishments, it's my understanding that he is the world's leading authority on intellectual property and <a href="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/object2/572/22/q6155659366_7111.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://pa-in.facebook.com/group.php%3Fgid%3D6155659366%26v%3Dphotos&amp;usg=__o1LBGQWv6HenwsB0EmpMb5gznYM=&amp;h=50&amp;w=50&amp;sz=3&amp;hl=en&amp;start=30&amp;um=1&amp;itbs=1&amp;tbnid=l6cu-MrDFtRkSM:&amp;tbnh=50&amp;tbnw=50&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwilliam%2Bgallagher%2Bbobblehead%26start%3D21%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Den%26ndsp%3D21%26tbs%3Disch:1">bobblehead dolls</a>.  No joke.)</p></div>
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        <title>No Privacy in Emails?!</title>
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        <published>2010-03-19T09:22:54-04:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-19T09:22:54-04:00</updated>
        <summary>Posted On: March 17, 2010 by Kish &amp; Lietz Eleventh Circuit Holds No Expectation of Privacy in Delivered Email Messages Last week in Rehberg v. Paulk, the Eleventh Circuit held that sending “emails to third parties constitute[s] a voluntary relinquishment...</summary>
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            <name>Monroe Freedman</name>
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&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;"&gt;Posted
On: &lt;strong&gt;March 17, 2010 &lt;/strong&gt;by &lt;a href="http://www.kishandlietz.com/"&gt;Kish &amp;amp;
Lietz &lt;/a&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;"&gt;Eleventh Circuit
Holds No Expectation of Privacy in Delivered Email Messages &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;"&gt;Last week in &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;Rehberg
v. Paulk&lt;/span&gt;, the &lt;a href="http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/" target="_blank"&gt;Eleventh
Circuit&lt;/a&gt; held that sending “emails to third parties constitute[s] a
voluntary relinquishment of the right to privacy in that information.” In this
case, the investigators subpoenaed the emails directly from the Internet
Service Provider (ISP) through which Rehberg transmitted his messages. The
Court held that he did not have a valid expectation of privacy in the email information,
so he failed to state a Fourth Amendment violation. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;"&gt;This ruling
might be a dangerous precedent, for several reasons. First, the Court of
Appeals says that none of us has any privacy in our emails the moment we hit
the ‘send’ button. Second, this means that the government can get our otherwise
private messages from every ISP we use to connect us with the outside world.
This ruling represents one more step towards a lack of privacy, and in favor of
the government’s ability to intrude into our lives.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;"&gt;The opinion in &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;Rehberg
v. Paulk&lt;/span&gt; is &lt;a href="http://www.georgiafederalcriminallawyerblog.com/Rehberg.pdf"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;
A lengthy analysis by Orin Kerr on why the Eleventh Circuit got this wrong is &lt;a href="http://volokh.com/2010/03/15/eleventh-circuit-decision-largely-eliminates-fourth-amendment-protection-in-e-mail/" target="_blank"&gt;here at the Volokh Conspiracy&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;"&gt;Posted In: &lt;a href="http://www.georgiafederalcriminallawyerblog.com/criminal_justice_issues/"&gt;Criminal
Justice Issues &lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.georgiafederalcriminallawyerblog.com/eleventh_circuit_court_of_appe/"&gt;Eleventh
Circuit Court of Appeals &lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.georgiafederalcriminallawyerblog.com/federal_criminal_law_news/"&gt;Federal
Criminal Law News &lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.georgiafederalcriminallawyerblog.com/fourth_amendment/"&gt;Fourth
Amendment &lt;/a&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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        <title>Prosecutors who do or don't seek publicity</title>
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        <published>2010-03-17T10:53:26-04:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-17T10:53:26-04:00</updated>
        <summary>Over at Huffington Post, Adam Goldberg and Joshua Draper have a run-down on prosecutors who've been conspicuous for seeking publicity.</summary>
        <author>
            <name>John Steele</name>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">Over at <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-w-goldberg-and-joshua-p-galper/model-conduct_b_501317.html">Huffington Post,</a> Adam Goldberg and Joshua Draper have a run-down on prosecutors who've been conspicuous for seeking publicity.</div>
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        <title>Overlawyered at the SEC?</title>
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        <published>2010-03-16T15:08:28-04:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-16T15:08:28-04:00</updated>
        <summary>Over at Conglomerate, Gordon Smith comments on this NYT interview with a would-be whistleblower who says that the SEC is overlawyered -- that lawyers lack the technical competence in finance that is essential for sound regulation. The post ties together...</summary>
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            <name>John Steele</name>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">Over at <a href="http://www.theconglomerate.org/2010/03/theyre-overlawyered-theyre-poisoned-by-lawyers.html">Conglomerate</a>, Gordon Smith comments on this <a href="http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/01/questions-for-harry-markopolos/">NYT interview</a> with a would-be whistleblower who says that the SEC is overlawyered -- that lawyers lack the technical competence in finance that is essential for sound regulation.  The post ties together two themes you often hear these days: that we over rely upon lawyers to make decisions that ought to be left to technical experts and that the law school of the future is the interdisciplinary school that graduates lawyers with deep knowledge of non-law field.</div>
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        <title>Paula Schaefer, "Harming Business Clients with Zealous Advocacy: Rethinking the Attorney Advisor's Touchstone.”  </title>
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        <published>2010-03-16T06:33:00-04:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-16T06:33:00-04:00</updated>
        <summary>In the wake of the OPR report on John Yoo, we discussed whether the counselor/advisor rule (2.1) was too “thin” or if it might be read holistically. Little did we know that Paula Schaefer had been nearing completion of this...</summary>
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            <name>John Steele</name>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p class="MsoNormal">In the wake of the OPR report on John Yoo, we <a href="http://www.legalethicsforum.com/blog/2010/02/the-ethics-of-advising-are-we-all-formalists-now.html?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LegalEthicsForum+(Legal+Ethics+Forum)">discussed</a>
whether the counselor/advisor rule (2.1) was too “thin” or if it might be read
holistically.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>Little did we know
that <a href="http://www.law.utk.edu/faculty/schaefer/">Paula Schaefer</a> had been nearing completion of this article, “<a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1567657">Harming
Business Clients with Zealous Advocacy: Rethinking the Attorney Advisor's
Touchstone.</a>”<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>Abstract:</p><p class="MsoNormal">

</p><blockquote><p class="MsoNormal">Joseph Collins was a successful business lawyer, with a
sophisticated practice at Mayer Brown LLP. In January 2010, Collins was
sentenced to seven years in prison for his role in a massive fraud that cost
investors millions and sent his client Refco, Inc. into bankruptcy. At
sentencing, the judge reportedly stated, “I think this is a case of excessive
loyalty to his client.” Collins’ own testimony reflects a lawyer who believed
he was zealously representing his client's interests. But in reality, Collins’
conduct was not “loyal” to his client. He contributed to his client’s
destruction.</p></blockquote>

<blockquote><p class="MsoNormal">With the Collins example and others, I argue that business
lawyers act as zealous advocates to their own clients’ peril. I explain that
professional conduct rules are central to the problem. The advisor’s duties are
relegated to a single rule that provides scant direction about how to advise.
In the absence of direction, lawyers fill in the gaps with zealous advocacy.
After examining the problems of the zealous advocacy mantra, I suggest that
“fiduciary duty” would be a preferable touchstone for attorney-advisors. While
it is true lawyers are already fiduciaries, fiduciary duty is not the focus for
most lawyers. I argue that it should be. Using fiduciary duty as a framework, I
propose professional conduct rules that would provide direction to business
lawyers that is more consistent with their clients’ interests. </p></blockquote>




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        <title>Richard Painter: "The John Adams Analogy"</title>
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        <published>2010-03-15T13:45:16-04:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-15T13:45:16-04:00</updated>
        <summary>Richard Painter has forwarded this post: In their rightful condemnation of a thoughtless vilification campaign, defenders of the DOJ lawyers who previously represented detainees point in their letter to a famed representation by John Adams “The American tradition of zealous...</summary>
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            <name>John Dzienkowski</name>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><a href="http://www.law.umn.edu/facultyprofiles/painterr.html">Richard Painter</a> has forwarded this post:</p><p><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt"><br />
In their rightful condemnation of a thoughtless vilification campaign,<br />
defenders of the DOJ lawyers who previously represented detainees point in<br />
their letter to a famed representation by John Adams “The American<br />
tradition of zealous representation of unpopular clients is at least as old<br />
as John Adams’s representation of the British soldiers charged in the<br />
Boston massacre.”<br />
<br />
Nobody could reasonably question John Adams' patriotism because he<br />
represented these clients --Captain Preston and his men -- in what was a<br />
capital case of murder. As I point out in my casebook with Judge Noonan,<br />
however, there were conflicts of interest that compromised the quality of<br />
the representation.<br />
<br />
One set of conflicts arose between Captain Preston and his men, who<br />
arguably should have been represented by separate counsel. Captain Preston<br />
could have defended the case by claiming the men fired without his orders.<br />
This conflict was apparent to the men at the time, and they were worried<br />
that Captain Preston’s defense would leave them hanging -- literally. One<br />
of the men, named Kilroy, petitioned for a joint trial with Captain<br />
Preston. If there had been separate trials and separate counsel, it is true<br />
that the men could have defended the case by claiming that Captain Preston<br />
ordered them to fire, subjecting them to court martial if they did not<br />
obey. It turned out that Adams and Quincy represented both Captain Preston<br />
and his men, precluding either of these lines of argument. The case would<br />
have to proceed on the argument that both Captain Preston and his men were<br />
innocent because the crowd had threatened them.<br />
<br />
This, however, was difficult because of another set of conflicts. Adams and<br />
his family were very close to the patriots who had challenged the<br />
soldiers’ presence in Boston and who may have instigated the unruly crowd<br />
that allegedly attacked the soldiers. Adams’ co-counsel in the case,<br />
Josiah Quincy had similar conflicts as his brother Samuel Quincy was<br />
employed by the prosecution. For Adams and Quincy to condemn the actions of<br />
the crowd in order to show they were threatening the soldiers would be<br />
difficult without condemning the townspeople in general. The crowd<br />
allegedly included people who were throwing objects at the soldiers, and<br />
some people in the crowd may have been drunk. John’s cousin Sam – a<br />
figure more familiar to 21st Century law students than John – was a<br />
supplier of beer, and after the shooting Sam was actively urging<br />
prosecution of the soldiers.<br />
<br />
We are critical in Chapter 7 of our casebook of the strategy that Adams<br />
used at trial to deal with this conflict. First, he may have held back on<br />
evidence prejudicial to the townspeople in order to avoid putting his<br />
fellow Bostonians in a bad light. As one observer, named Hutchison, pointed<br />
out:<br />
<br />
"The employing counsel who were warmly engaged in popular measures caused<br />
some of the evidence to be kept back which would otherwise have been<br />
produced for the prisoners. The counsel for the crown insisted upon<br />
producing evidence to prove the menaces of the soldiers preceding the<br />
action, and the counsel for the prisoners consented to it, provided they<br />
might have the like liberty with respect to the inhabitants. After the<br />
evidence had been given on the part of the crown, and divers witnesses had<br />
been examined to shew the premeditated plan of the inhabitants to drive out<br />
the soldiers, one of the counsel, Mr. John Adams, for the prisoners then<br />
declined proceeding any further, and declared that he would leave the<br />
cause, if such witnesses must be produced as served only to set the town in<br />
a bad light. A stop therefore was put to any further examination of such<br />
witnesses, by which means many facts were not brought to light . . . .."<br />
<br />
Second, Adams found a way of condemning the crowd without condemning the<br />
townspeople of Boston, or at least the elements with which his family and<br />
Quincy’s family were associated. He portrayed the crowd as outsiders and<br />
appealed to juror prejudice in his closing argument when he describes the<br />
crowd as "a motley rabble of saucy boys, negroes and mulattoes, Irish<br />
[t]eagues and out landish jack tarrs." Referring to Crispus Attucks, one of<br />
the persons killed, Adams said, "[s]upposing in this case, the Mulatto man<br />
was the person made the assault, suppose he was concerned in the unlawful<br />
assembly, and this party of soldiers endeavoring to defend themselves<br />
against him, happened to kill another person who was innocent...." There<br />
was no evidence in the record that Attucks in particular threatened anyone.<br />
Adams compensated for not "putting the town on trial" by blaming the<br />
incident on a portion of the town, including persons of Irish and African<br />
descent. Then, as now, prejudices run deep in Boston. Adams won his case.<br />
He had managed his conflict of interest by playing the race card.<br />
<br />
The lesson to be learned from the Boston Massacre trials is that conflicts<br />
do matter. Although Adams still should have accepted the representation –<br />
he and his co-counsel Quincy may have been the only lawyers in Boston with<br />
the courage to do so – the conflicts of interest were real and some of<br />
those conflicts arose because of Adams’ loyalty to the Patriot cause.<br />
Those conflicts had a genuine impact on the representation. He won<br />
acquittals, but at a cost.<br />
<br />
The types of conflicts that would have been more pertinent to the current<br />
controversy over DOJ lawyers apparently did not occur. They would have<br />
occurred if Adams had represented Captain Preston against the government<br />
and then joined the government's prosecution of the men who took or were<br />
supposed to take orders from Captain Preston. It would not matter if<br />
Captain Preston and his men were detained in separate jails or tried in<br />
separate trials. Adams’ subsequent representation of the government would<br />
have been wrong. An arguably more remote – but still genuine -- conflict<br />
would have arisen if another group of soldiers under the same command as<br />
Captain Preston – and acting on similar instructions from British<br />
military superiors -- had shot and killed some colonists somewhere else. It<br />
would still have been improper for Adams to be employed by the prosecution.<br />
He could, for example, have learned from Captain Preston some details about<br />
what precisely the orders from British military superiors were that<br />
soldiers in these situations were acting upon and the extent to which<br />
soldiers who fired upon crowds were acting without authorization. Based on<br />
information he learned from his prior client, he could have penetrated deep<br />
into a subsequent defense case built upon at least this premise and<br />
probably others as well.<br />
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        <title>Richard Painter's Curious Letter to the NYT</title>
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        <published>2010-03-14T10:52:19-04:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-14T17:03:27-04:00</updated>
        <summary>In a letter to the New York Times today, Richard Painter, my friend and co-author on a law review article, argues that lawyers in the Justice Department who had represented accused terrorists in private life should not work on terrorism...</summary>
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            <name>Stephen Gillers</name>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>In a letter to the New York Times today, Richard Painter, my friend and co-author on a law review article, argues that lawyers in the Justice Department who had represented accused terrorists in private life should not work on terrorism matters - apparently at all - at Justice. They "should work on other matters."</p><p>Why? Because the "government has stated that most of these people are acting in concert, and that information obtained from interrogating one detainee has led to the apprehension of others." In effect, having worked for one, a lawyer will have worked for all because the terrorists act in concert.</p><p>It may be that Richard means only that the lawyers cannot represent the U.S. "in its effort to detain, interrogate, or try"  any alleged terrorists. That would not exclude policy work that is not specific to any investigation, trial, ec. But the last line - "they should work on other matters" - suggests Richard is saying they may not even work on terrorism-related  policies apart from specific matters.</p><p>Richard is identified as a law professor at Minnesota and chief White House ethics lawyer 2005-2007, bolstering his credibility on these issues.</p><p>I think Richard is wrong in so far as he is saying that because terrorists are all "acting in concert," we should treat all terrorists as if they were one client for conflict purposes, without further inquiry into the relationship in fact between cases.</p><p> And I believe he is certainly wrong in then concluding, as I read him to say, that the Justice Department lawyers may not now have any role whatsoever in terrorism policy or matters at Justice.</p><p>If Richard means only that this is what the Department's policy "should be," not what it must be and not what the conflict rules require, then his letter has a very different focus and is much weaker. But I don't read it that way.</p><p>[CO-EDITOR's UPDATE: In the comments below, Richard Painter was kind enough to respond to Steve Gillers's post.]</p><p /><p /><p /><p /></div>
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        <title>NY Lawyer Advertising Restrictions Invalidated</title>
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        <published>2010-03-12T16:27:32-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-12T16:27:32-05:00</updated>
        <summary>Noeleen G. Walder, Media Watch, 03-15-2010 In rejecting the bulk of New York's content-based restrictions on attorney advertising, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit today held that a ban on the use of nicknames like "Heavy Hitters"...</summary>
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            <name>Monroe Freedman</name>
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<p class="date">Noeleen G. Walder, Media Watch, 03-15-2010</p>

<p>In rejecting the bulk of New York's content-based restrictions on attorney
advertising, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit today held that a
ban on the use of nicknames like "Heavy Hitters" or client
testimonials about pending cases violates the First Amendment.</p>

<p>The circuit also held that preventing lawyers from employing special effects
or portraying a judge in an ad did not "materially advance" the
state's interest in prohibiting misleading speech.</p>

<p>"The speech that Defendants' content-based restrictions seeks to
regulate—that which is irrelevant, unverifiable, and non-informational—is not
inherently false, deceptive, or misleading. Defendants' own press release
described its proposed rules as protecting consumers against 'potentially
misleading ads,'" the panel wrote in <em><a href="http://www.ca2.uscourts.gov/decisions/isysquery/71c91b13-f1b4-4800-9811-90af539d7b4e/2/doc/07-3677-cv_opn.pdf" target="new">Alexander v. Cahill</a></em>, 07-3677-cv, 07-3900- cv.</p>

<p>The ruling primarily affirms the July 2007 decision by Northern District
Judge Frederick J. Scullin (<a href="http://www.law.com/jsp/nylj/PubArticleNY.jsp?id=1185181605029" target="new">NYLJ, July 24, 2007</a>) </p>

<p>The appellate panel disagreed with Judge Scullin in finding that one
provision of the rules, which bars ads from portraying a "fictitious law
firm" or "the use of a fictitious name to refer to lawyers not
associated together in a law firm" was "actually misleading" and
not entitled to First Amendment protection. </p>

<p>The panel also upheld a portion of the rules requiring attorneys to wait 30
days after accidents before targeting advertising to solicit personal injury
clients.</p>

<p>The rules, which went into effect on Feb. 1, 2007, and are codified in New
York's Code of Professional Responsibility at 22 NYCRR §1200, were adopted by
the four state Appellate Divisions and challenged by Alexander &amp; Catalano,
a Syracuse-based personal injury firm, as well as Public Citizen Inc. </p>

<p>The circuit opinion was written by Judge Guido Calabresi and joined by Judge
John M. Walker Jr. Judge Sonia Sotomayor was the third member of the panel
before being elevated to the U.S. Supreme Court last year.</p></div>
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        <title>A lawyer provides bad advice and it works.</title>
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        <published>2010-03-12T08:46:24-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-12T09:26:28-05:00</updated>
        <summary>Thanks to Neil Wilson at The Court for highlighting this issue. Last week the Supreme Court of Canada issued a decision holding that the government of the Northwest Territories was not negligent when it failed to close down a mine...</summary>
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            <name>Alice Woolley</name>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>Thanks to Neil Wilson at <a href="http://www.thecourt.ca/2010/03/11/using-legal-advice-as-a-shield-from-liability-fullowka-v-pinkertons-of-canada-ltd/#more-4745" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; cursor: pointer; ">The Court</a> for highlighting this issue.</p><p> Last week the Supreme Court of Canada issued a decision holding that the government of the Northwest Territories was not negligent when it failed to close down a mine in the midst of a long and violent strike involving the use of replacement workers. A striker had ultimately entered the mine and planted a bomb, which detonated, killing 9 miners.  The Court held (<a href="http://csc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2010/2010scc5/2010scc5.html" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; cursor: pointer; ">2010 SCC 5</a>) that while the Government owed a duty of care, and had had the legal authority to shut down the mine given the known and clear safety issues that had arisen, it was not negligent in failing to do so because it had relied on a legal opinion that it lacked that legal authority.  The fact that the legal advice was wrong - and it appears badly wrong - was not relevant.  The Court said:</p><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote"><p><span style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: normal; color: #3a3a3a; ">But in the context of allegations of negligence against those responsible for regulating mine safety, the fact that this advice was received and acted on cannot be dismissed, as the trial judge did, as being of "no consequence” (para. 834). This advice goes precisely to the issue of whether the government took reasonable care in deciding not to close the mine. It will rarely be negligent for officials to refrain from taking discretionary actions that they have been advised by counsel, whose competence and good faith in giving the advice they have no reason to doubt, are beyond their statutory authority: see, e.g., <em>Dunlop v. Woollahra Municipal Council</em>, [1981] 1 All E.R. 1202 (P.C.), at p. 1209; <em>Stafford v. British Columbia</em>, [1996] B.C.J. No. 1010 (QL) (S.C.), at paras. 78‑81.  In the context of this case, the opposite view leads to alarming results, as the trial judge's holding here demonstrates. The effect of the trial judge's holding is that officials may be found to have acted negligently by refraining from taking action that they believed in good faith and on the basis of reputable, professional legal advice, to be unlawful.  In other words, the law of negligence would require the inspectors to take action which they believed abused their powers.  This cannot be the law. There is no argument advanced on behalf of the appellants that it was unreasonable for officials to rely on the advice received or that they did not seek or rely on it in good faith.</span></p></blockquote><div><span color="#3A3A3A" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="line-height: normal; "><br /></span></span></div><div><span color="#3A3A3A" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="line-height: normal; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">The issue this raises for me is as to the impact this has, if any, on the lawyer's ethical obligations in the circumstances.   I can consider this two ways.  First, I think it is clear that the lawyer has an ethical duty not to provide incompetent legal advice, even if nothing bad will happen to the lawyer (or even the client) if the lawyer does so.  Given the facts, and the analysis elsewhere in the Supreme Court's judgment, this advice seems to have been bad, if not actually incompetent.   And of course it had horrible consequences, in the form of 9 dead miners and increased political turmoil.  I think it is reasonable to conclude that the lawyer owed an ethical obligation to give better advice than he did.  Second - and this is the sticking point - can the lawyer in that situation be properly subject to disciplinary consequences?  I am as confident as I can be that the lawyer will not face any such consequences.  </span></span></span></div><div><span color="#3A3A3A" style="font-family: Arial, helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="line-height: normal; "><br /></span></span></div><div><span color="#3A3A3A" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="line-height: normal; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">But if the lawyer does not, then what regulatory mechanism exists to prevent the giving of this sort of advice?  Not only is the advice not injurious to the client, it actively benefits the client.  This creates at minimum an incentive for the advice to be given, or at least for little attention to be paid to its quality.  Some might even argue that a lawyer truly seeking to achieve the best legal outcome for the client is ethically obligated to give the advice, no matter how bad.  </span></span></span></div><div><span color="#3A3A3A" style="font-family: Arial, helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="line-height: normal; "><br /></span></span></div><div><span color="#3A3A3A" style="font-family: Arial, helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span style="line-height: normal; ">The window left in the judgment is the idea that it must be reasonable for the government official to rely on the advice received, that the advice must be given by a "reputable, professional" advisor and that it must have been sought in good faith.  If the advice was bad enough - "not even wrong", to quote the physicist Wolfgang Pauli's description of a colleague's paper - it may not provide the defence for which it was sought.  In my view this, in the end, is far more likely to achieve the regulatory result of incenting lawyers to give good advice than is disciplining lawyers.  It is unfortunate that the Court framed that window so narrowly.</span></span></div></div>
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        <title>Susan Saab Fortney, "Leaks, Lies, and the Moonlight: Fiduciary Duties of Associates to Their Law Firms" </title>
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        <published>2010-03-12T07:28:34-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-12T07:28:34-05:00</updated>
        <summary>Article here. Abstract: This symposium article examines the fiduciary duties of law firm associates. After applying agency principles to the firm-associate relationship, the article analyzes specific duties and discusses cases involving alleged breaches of fiduciary duties by associates. It explores...</summary>
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            <name>John Steele</name>
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<blockquote><p class="MsoNormal">This symposium article examines the fiduciary duties of law
firm associates. After applying agency principles to the firm-associate
relationship, the article analyzes specific duties and discusses cases
involving alleged breaches of fiduciary duties by associates. It explores
associate duties in the current legal, organizational, and socio-technological
environment in which associates practice. The article closes with observations
on the importance of firm principals considering the effect of firm culture on
associate attitudes and conduct.</p></blockquote>




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        <title>Should NJ relax the rule against contingency fees in criminal and quasi-criminal matters?</title>
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        <published>2010-03-11T21:09:26-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-11T21:09:26-05:00</updated>
        <summary>George Conk takes a look at the issue.</summary>
        <author>
            <name>John Steele</name>
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        <title>Toyota's Alleged Litigation Misconduct</title>
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        <published>2010-03-11T10:38:33-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-11T10:40:25-05:00</updated>
        <summary>Last year, a former Toyota in-house lawyer, Dimitrios Biller, brought a well-publicized wrongful termination action against Toyota (here and here). At the time, the publicity was focused on Biller's claim that Toyota had failed to turn over damaging information in...</summary>
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            <name>Andrew Perlman</name>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>Last year, a former Toyota in-house lawyer, Dimitrios Biller, brought a well-publicized wrongful termination action against Toyota (<a href="http://www.legalethicsforum.com/blog/2009/09/former-inhouse-lawyer-for-toyota-gets-referred-to-state-bar-for-revealing-client-confidences.html">here</a> and <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2009-09-01-rollover-lawsuits-toyota_N.htm">here</a>).  At the time, the publicity was focused on Biller's claim that Toyota had failed to turn over damaging information in the context of rollover litigation.  </p><p><span style="text-decoration: underline;" /><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/03/10/toyota.whistleblower/index.html?eref=rss_topstories&amp;utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29&amp;utm_content=My+Yahoohttp://www.cnn.com/2010/US/03/10/toyota.whistleblower/index.html?eref=rss_topstories&amp;utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29&amp;utm_content=My+Yahoo">Here's a story</a> just published at cnn.com that concerns the potentially devastating information that Biller appears to have about the company's litigation practices more generally.  (Thanks to Suffolk's Jeff Lipshaw for sending me the link.)  According to sources quoted in the story, Biller's information reveals that Toyota was aware of more problems with its vehicles and for a longer period of time than the company has acknowledged.</p><p>What caught my eye, however, was this section of the story concerning Biller's conduct:</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">So why, if Biller knew a judge had ordered all information produced,
didn't he produce it? He said he tried but was stopped by a superior
who told him, "You have to protect the client at all costs."</p> <p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">"Even if that includes," Biller asked, "committing criminal acts or violating the law?"</p> <p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">The answer, Biller said, was yes.</p> <p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Did
he break the law? "No, I did as much as I could as a lawyer for a
client to not break the law," he said. "I wrote e-mail after e-mail,
memo after memo, explaining the legal obligations Toyota and its
affiliates needed to fulfill."</p><p>
</p>


<p>Biller suggests that he didn't break the law (and presumably the ethics rules) because he did everything he could to get Toyota to do the right thing.  But we know from <a href="http://www.abanet.org/cpr/mrpc/rule_5_2.html">Rule 5.2(a)</a> that Biller cannot defend himself by saying that he was acting at the direction of a superior.  </p><p>From what I can tell, Biller was working on these cases and assisting with the discovery process.  If so, several rules are implicated here, including <a href="http://www.abanet.org/cpr/mrpc/rule_1_2.html">Rule 1.2(d)</a>.  Here are some notable comments concerning that rule:</p><p align="JUSTIFY" class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">[9] Paragraph (d) prohibits a lawyer from knowingly
counseling or assisting a client to commit a crime or fraud. This
prohibition, however, does not preclude the lawyer from giving an
honest opinion about the actual consequences that appear likely to
result from a client's conduct. Nor does the fact that a client uses
advice in a course of action that is criminal or fraudulent of itself
make a lawyer a party to the course of action. There is a critical
distinction between presenting an analysis of legal aspects of
questionable conduct and recommending the means by which a crime or
fraud might be committed with impunity.</p>

<p align="JUSTIFY" class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">[10] When the client's course of action has already
begun and is continuing, the lawyer's responsibility is especially
delicate. The lawyer is required to avoid assisting the client, for
example, by drafting or delivering documents that the lawyer knows are
fraudulent or by suggesting how the wrongdoing might be concealed. A
lawyer may not continue assisting a client in conduct that the lawyer
originally supposed was legally proper but then discovers is criminal
or fraudulent. The lawyer must, therefore, withdraw from the
representation of the client in the matter. See Rule 1.16(a). In some
cases, withdrawal alone might be insufficient. It may be necessary for
the lawyer to give notice of the fact of withdrawal and to disaffirm
any opinion, document, affirmation or the like. See Rule 4.1.</p><p style="text-align: justify;">Comment [9] appears to favor Biller, because he did not help Toyota to engage in any wrongful conduct.  But comment [10] and <a href="http://www.abanet.org/cpr/mrpc/rule_1_16.html">Rule 1.16(a)(1)</a> would have required Biller to withdraw or quit once Toyota refused to disclose documents that Biller believed that the company was legally required to produce.   <a href="http://www.abanet.org/cpr/mrpc/rule_1_13.html">Rule 1.13 </a>and perhaps SOX are also applicable here.  </p><p style="text-align: justify;">As an ethics matter, how exactly should Biller have proceeded? At what point, would he have been ethically required to quit his job at Toyota or, at the very least, withdraw from handling any litigation where he thought that documents were being inappropriately withheld? </p></div>
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        <title>Judge Chatigny's nomination is held up</title>
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        <updated>2010-03-13T23:08:38-05:00</updated>
        <summary>Here's a collection of article about Judge Robert Chitigny, who's been nominated for the Second Circuit. The main opposition against him seems to be purely political, but there's an interesting issue in his past that touches on legal ethics and...</summary>
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            <name>John Steele</name>
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&lt;div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://mediamatters.org/research/201003100035"&gt;Here&amp;#39;s&lt;/a&gt; a collection of article about Judge Robert Chitigny, &lt;a href="http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-chatigny-nomination0311.artmar11,0,5716919.story"&gt;who&amp;#39;s been nominated for the Second Circuit&lt;/a&gt;. &amp;#0160;The main opposition against him seems to be purely political, but there&amp;#39;s an interesting issue in his past that touches on legal ethics and which garnered him an honorable mention my&amp;#0160;&lt;a href="http://legalethicsforum.typepad.com/blog/2006/01/top_ten_legal_e.html"&gt;Top Ten Legal Ethics Stories of 2005&lt;/a&gt;. &amp;#0160;In a tense hearing where a lawyer was representing a so-called &amp;quot;death row volunteer,&amp;quot; Judge Chatigny used very heavy-handed, threatening language to the lawyer -- which, depending on your point of view, was appropriate, appropriate given the extreme circumstances, less than ideal but excusable given the circumstances, or just plain over the line. &amp;#0160;A panel of the Second Circuit, including Judge Michael Mukasey, reviewed Chatigny&amp;#39;s conduct and, using some guarded and nuanced language, concluded that Judge Chatigny&amp;#39;s behavior was reasonable and not motivated by bias.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;UPDATE:&amp;#0160;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;#39;Trebuchet MS&amp;#39;, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: 19px; color: #333333; "&gt;I would not have have wanted to be in the shoes of anyone who was involved in that case. Capital defense and the representation of so-called volunteers -- and the judges, like Judge Chatigny, who have to handle those issues -- are doing the hard work that the rest of society isn&amp;#39;t rushing to do. I should mention that my views were shaped by one of my best students, James Oleson, who taught a class session in one of seminars, wrote a class paper on this issue which I turned into an exam question, and who wrote two great articles on this issue.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;#39;Trebuchet MS&amp;#39;, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: 19px; color: #333333; "&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; "&gt;&lt;a href="http://law.wlu.edu/deptimages/Law%20Review/63-1Oleson.pdf" rel="nofollow" style="text-decoration: underline; color: #003366; "&gt;http://law.wlu.edu/deptimages/Law%20Review/63-1Oleson.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; "&gt;&lt;a href="http://cardozolawreview.com/PastIssues/29.2_oleson.pdf" rel="nofollow" style="text-decoration: underline; color: #003366; "&gt;http://cardozolawreview.com/PastIssues/29.2_oleson.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; "&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; "&gt;My exam question, based on James Oleson&amp;#39;s student paper&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; "&gt;

&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"&gt;&lt;strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10.0pt"&gt;Example 2.8&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;#0160;&lt;/span&gt;Death Row Volunteer&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;#0160;&lt;/span&gt;(former exam question)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10.0pt"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:
1"&gt;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;One
of your friends from law school needs help.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;Please respond to her question:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10.0pt"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:
1"&gt;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;My
big law firm allowed me to take on a pro bono death penalty appeal.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;In reality, I’m using the case as a
chance to switch to public interest law, and death penalty defense cases in
particular.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;I’ve been getting lots
of help from the California Capital Defense Project (CCDP), which is a public
interest group that supports death penalty defense teams by providing briefs,
organizing strategy conferences, developing legal theories, etc.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10.0pt"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:
1"&gt;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;I
will represent Ty Jackson who’s been on San Quentin’s death row for eight years
since his conviction for the killing a storeowner during a robbery.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;The evidence against him is
uncontestable (confession, fingerprints, videotape, eye witnesses, and hot
capture in the store’s parking lot!), but the trial was grossly unfair: all
people of color were struck from the jury pool for pretextual reasons, the
judge obviously favored the prosecutor, and the judge wouldn’t allow the
defense to develop its theories during the penalty phase.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10.0pt"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:
1"&gt;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;We’re
preparing briefing before the Ninth Circuit — our best chance for a new
trial.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;In the long run, the best
chance is to keep Jackson alive long enough for the political winds to change
and for the death penalty to be abolished or at least suspended.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;Realistically, the best we can hope is
that Jackson will spend his remaining years in a brutally harsh prison
environment.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10.0pt"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:
1"&gt;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;I’m
preparing to meet Jackson for the first time.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;Terry Rushton, a CCDP lawyer, pulled me aside and talked to
me about death row “volunteers”—prisoners who voluntarily drop all appeals and
seek an early execution date.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160;
&lt;/span&gt;Apparently, Jackson has raised the topic repeatedly.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;I said I thought that that was the client’s
choice.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;Rushton disagreed.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;Strongly disagreed.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;This morning, my voicemail had the
following message.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;(It wasn’t
Rushton’s voice.)&amp;#0160;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&amp;quot;AvantGarde Bk BT&amp;quot;"&gt;“Don’t
let your client volunteer.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;The
death penalty is murder.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;By
necessity you must stop the murder of your client.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;Because your client is on death row, he’s undoubtedly
suffering clinical depression.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160;
&lt;/span&gt;Imagine the brutality of his living conditions.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;He’s a client under a disability.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;Choose his objectives for him.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;You have a duty not just to clients,
but also to the system.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;Permitting
your client’s execution after the prosecutor struck African-American jurors
will make that sort of racist execution easier in the future.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;There are lots of techniques to prevent
clients from volunteering.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;Ask the
CCDP attorneys.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;I tell you this
because I like you.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;I want you to
be a success at what you do, and not make a fatal mistake on your first
matter.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10.0pt"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:
1"&gt;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;How
should I approach this problem?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10.0pt"&gt;*&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:1"&gt;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;*&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:1"&gt;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;*&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:1"&gt;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;*&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:1"&gt;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;&amp;#0160;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10.0pt"&gt;Give the lawyer advice.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;The only governing law is the ABA Model Rules&amp;#0160;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10.0pt"&gt;*&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:1"&gt;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;*&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:1"&gt;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;*&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:1"&gt;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;*&lt;span style="mso-tab-count:1"&gt;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;*&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;




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        <title>Judging Liz Cheney's Values</title>
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        <published>2010-03-10T11:52:16-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-10T11:53:25-05:00</updated>
        <summary>Critics of Liz Cheney's silly campaign have emphasized that lawyers should not be criticized for representing unpopular clients. For example, ABA President Carolyn Lamm cites ABA Model Rule of Professional Conduct 1.2(b), which states that a "lawyer’s representation of a...</summary>
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            <name>Andrew Perlman</name>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>Critics of Liz Cheney's silly campaign have emphasized that lawyers should not be criticized for representing unpopular clients.  For example, <a href="http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/doj_labeled_a_department_of_jihad_over_lawyers_detainee_work/">ABA President Carolyn Lamm</a> cites ABA Model Rule of Professional Conduct 1.2(b), which states that a "lawyer’s
representation of a client does not constitute an endorsement of the
client’s political, economic, social or moral views or activities.”</p><p>In my view, the issue is a bit more complicated.  Although it is certainly true that a lawyer's representation of a client does not -- and should not -- be considered an endorsement of the client's views or behavior, I don't think we can say that a lawyer's client selection decisions are completely devoid of value judgments, particularly in the pro bono context.  The problem with Liz Cheney's ads is not that they make value judgments about the so-called "al-Qaeda 7;" it's that they make the <em>wrong</em> value judgments.  </p><p>We should explicitly acknowledge and embrace the idea that lawyers who represent unpopular clients are endorsing a particular set of values.  Those values happen to include (among others) safeguarding foundational procedural protections, the need for quality representation in an adversarial system, and ensuring that the government pursues its important work within the bounds of the law.  Lawyers who endorse those values should be praised, not criticized.  In fact, those lawyers are ideally suited to work in a government department that is supposed to be committed to the cause of justice.  </p><p>Liz Cheney, therefore, is right about one thing: the work of the "al-Qaeda 7" lawyers does reflect their value judgments.  By criticizing those lawyers, however, Liz Cheney is really criticizing the values that those lawyers embraced.  And by criticizing those values, which are so foundational to America's system of justice, Liz Cheney (ironically) is the one who appears to be endorsing anti-American ideals.    </p></div>
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        <title>yet more op-eds and posts on the DOJ lawyers who represented detainees</title>
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        <updated>2010-03-10T11:12:54-05:00</updated>
        <summary>Predictably (yes, I'm referring to our commenter extraordinaire, Patrick O'Donnell), Liz Cheney's attacks on the DOJ lawyers who formerly represented detainees have generated a large backlash, including from conservative members of the bar, in defense of the role of lawyers....</summary>
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            <name>John Steele</name>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>Predictably (yes, I'm referring to our commenter extraordinaire, Patrick O'Donnell), Liz Cheney's attacks on the DOJ lawyers who formerly represented detainees have generated a large backlash, including from conservative members of the bar, in defense of the role of lawyers.  Today, we have <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/us/politics/10lawyers.html?hp">a front page NYT story</a>; <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703915204575104120092492594.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEFTTopOpinion">an op-ed from former Attorney General Michael Mukasey</a> urging people not to condemn either today's DOJ lawyers or the ones who worked there during the Bush administration for representing their clients; <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/08/AR2010030801742.html?nav=hcmoduletmv">a more sharply partisan piece by Marc Thiessen</a>; and <a href="http://balkin.blogspot.com/2010/03/false-analogy-detainee-lawyers-and.html">a reply from David Luban</a> at Balkinization arguing that his criticism of the torture memo lawyers was legitimate and Cheney's attack is illegitimate.  Quote of the day, by John Yoo, regarding the DOJ lawyers, "What's the big whoop?"  Yoo suggested that disagreement with the Obama administration's stance on terrorism should be channeled into policy and political opposition.</p><p>UPDATE: Follow this link to George Conk's blawg and watch Jon Stewart's interview of Marc Thiessen on this topic:</p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: 19px; color: #333333; "><a href="http://blackstonetoday.blogspot.com/2010/03/jon-stewart-tangles-with-marc-thiessen.html" rel="nofollow" style="text-decoration: underline; color: #003366; ">http://blackstonetoday.blogspot.com/2010/03/jon-stewart-tangles-with-marc-thiessen.html</a></span></p></div>
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        <title>Thoughts on the Supreme Court's Bankruptcy Decision, Attorney Advice, and the Law of Lawyering</title>
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        <published>2010-03-09T21:53:45-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-09T21:51:59-05:00</updated>
        <summary>As John noted yesterday, the Court has issued its opinion in Milavetz, Gallop &amp; Milavetz, P.C. v. U.S. and the decision has generated a fair amount of commentary (see, for example, here, here, here, and here). In my mind, the...</summary>
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            <name>Renee Newman Knake</name>
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&lt;div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;"&gt;As
John &lt;a href="http://www.legalethicsforum.com/blog/2010/03/updates-scotus-rules-that-bankruptcy-law-covers-lawyers-torture-suit-against-rumsfeld-proceeds-to-di.html" target="_blank"&gt;noted yesterday&lt;/a&gt;, the Court has issued its opinion in &lt;em&gt;Milavetz, Gallop &amp;amp;
Milavetz, P.C. v. U.S&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;and the decision has generated a fair amount of commentary (see, for example, &lt;a href="http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202445921744&amp;amp;High_Court_Finds_Lawyers_and_Their_Advice_Covered_by_Bankruptcy_Reform_Law" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/supreme_court_rules_2005_law_restricts_lawyer_bankruptcy_advice/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;amp;utm_campaign=ABA+Journal+Top+Stories" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/bankruptcyprof_blog/2010/03/supreme-court-rules-on-milavetz.html" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/03/08/silenced-high-court-upholds-ban-on-type-of-legal-advice/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wsj%2Flaw%2Ffeed+%28WSJ.com%3A+Law+Blog%29&amp;amp;utm_content=Google+Reader" target="_blank"&gt;here)&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;span&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;In my mind, the ruling may be more significant for
what the Court declined to decide than for what it actually decided.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;Justice
Sotomayor authored the essentially unanimous opinion (Justice Scalia wrote a separate concurrence taking issue with a legislative history point and Justice
Thomas wrote a separate concurrence questioning the relaxed scrutiny applied by the Court to the advertising disclosures).&lt;span&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;The
Court reached three conclusions.&lt;span&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;First, the
Court held that the term &amp;quot;debt relief agencies&amp;quot; as used in the
Bankruptcy Abuse and &lt;span class="yshortcuts"&gt;&lt;span id="lw_1268164321_3"&gt;Reform
Act&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; of 2005 includes attorneys.&lt;span&gt;&amp;#0160;
&lt;/span&gt;Second, the Court determined that the advertising disclosures
required by the Act for any attorney providing bankruptcy services survived the &lt;a href="http://supreme.justia.com/us/471/626/" target="_blank"&gt;less exacting scrutiny&lt;/a&gt; applied to statutes that target misleading commercial speech under &lt;em&gt;Zauderer v. Office of Disciplinary Counsel of Supreme Court of Ohio&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;span&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;Third, the
Court found that the Act’s prohibition on offering advice to debtors about the
accumulation of additional debt in contemplation of &lt;span class="yshortcuts"&gt;&lt;span id="lw_1268164321_4" style="cursor: pointer; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous; background-attachment: scroll;"&gt;filing
for bankruptcy&lt;/span&gt; was not unconstitutionally overbroad or vague so long as construed narrowly&lt;/span&gt;.&amp;#0160;
&lt;span&gt;&amp;#0160;&lt;/span&gt;As Justice Sotomayor explained:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="documentbody"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;"&gt;After reviewing these competing claims, we
are persuaded that a narrower reading … is sounder, &lt;span&gt;&amp;#0160;&lt;/span&gt;although we do not adopt precisely the view
the Government advocates. The Government&amp;#39;s sources show that the phrase “in
contemplation of” bankruptcy has so commonly been associated with abusive
conduct that it may readily be understood to prefigure abuse. …[W]e think the
phrase refers to a specific type of misconduct designed to manipulate the
protections of the bankruptcy system … [and] conclude that [it] prohibits [an
attorney] only from advising a debtor to incur more debt because the debtor is
filing for bankruptcy, rather than for a valid purpose.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;"&gt;The
Court declined to decide, however,&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;“whether
the statute so construed withstands First Amendment scrutiny.”&lt;span&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;It will be interesting to see if the Court reaches a similar result in &lt;em&gt;Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.legalethicsforum.com/blog/2010/02/the-supreme-court-continues-to-add-lawyering-cases-to-its-docket-today-the-court-granted-certiorari-to-harrington-v-richter.html"&gt;another case
this term&lt;/a&gt; that raises the question of the First Amendment’s application to
attorney advice.&amp;#0160;&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="asset asset-generic at-xid-6a00d8341cb84553ef01310f826e19970c"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Also worth noting about the &lt;em&gt;Milavetz&lt;/em&gt; opinion is the reference to an additional &lt;a href="http://www.legalethicsforum.com/blog/2009/10/supreme-court-opens-term-with-first-of-seven-cases-on-law-of-lawyering.html?utm_source=feedburner&amp;amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LegalEthicsForum+%28Legal+Ethics+Forum%29"&gt;lawyering case&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Mohawk Industries, Inc. v. Carpenter&lt;/em&gt;.&amp;#0160; In a footnote justifying the Court&amp;#39;s narrow reading of the ban on advice, Justice Sotomayor wrote:&amp;#0160; &amp;quot;Earlier this Term, we acknowledged the importance of the attorney-client privilege as a means of protecting that relationship and fostering robust discussion.&amp;#0160; Reiterating the significance of such dialogue, we note that [the ban], as narrowly construed, presents no impediment to full and frank discussions.&amp;quot;&amp;#0160; Yet, as readers of this blog will recall, the Court &lt;a href="http://www.legalethicsforum.com/.m/blog/2009/12/the-supreme-courts-opinion-in-mohawk-industries-inc-v-carpenter-is-now-available-here-justice-sotomayor-delivered-the-opi.html" target="_blank"&gt;declined&lt;/a&gt; in &lt;em&gt;Mohawk&lt;/em&gt; to provide a right of immediate appeal for attorney-client privilege rulings, a decision leading some to &lt;a href="http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202436175573" target="_blank"&gt;question the Court&amp;#39;s commitment&lt;/a&gt; to protecting the unique relationship between attorneys and their clients.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;span style="font-size: 10px;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 11px;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Arial&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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        <title>Explaining the Importance of Legal Representation</title>
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        <published>2010-03-09T08:58:16-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-09T08:58:16-05:00</updated>
        <summary>In another string, I reiterated my position that the Bar has not done an adequate job of explaining the importance of the lawyer's role in fulfilling the constitutional rights of all of us. I welcomed the criticism by the Liz...</summary>
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            <name>Monroe Freedman</name>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>In another string, I reiterated my position that the Bar has not done an adequate job of explaining the importance of the lawyer's role in fulfilling the constitutional rights of all of us.  I welcomed the criticism by the Liz Cheney group because it might induce that kind of public explanation.  That is happening.  Prominent lawyers, including Kenneth Starr, have published a letter saying in part:</p><p>"As attorneys, former officials, and policy specialists who have worked on detention issues, we consider these attacks both unjust to the individuals in question and destructive of any attempt to build lasting mechanisms for counterterrorism adjudications."  They added that "the American tradition of zealous representation of unpopular clients goes back at least as far as John Adams' defense of British soldiers accused of killing colonists in what became known as the Boston massacre.” </p><p>Also, the Association of the Bar of the City of New York said that it “unequivocally condemns these attacks as an assault on our nation's most fundamental values and traditions and on the very notion of the rule of law itself.  It is fundamental that all persons no matter how unpopular have a right to representation by counsel and that lawyers have a duty to provide such representation and to do so on a pro bono basis where such persons cannot afford counsel."</p><p>In addition, American Bar Association President Carolyn Lamm, issued the following statement:</p><p>"Individuals and organizations conducting a witch hunt in order to name names of Department of Justice lawyers who earlier represented Guantanamo detainees are showing a profound disregard for a fundamental tenet of our justice system and our Constitution: that anyone who faces loss of liberty has a right to legal counsel."</p></div>
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        <title>Updates: SCOTUS rules that bankruptcy law covers lawyers; torture suit against Rumsfeld proceeds to discovery</title>
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        <published>2010-03-08T14:19:45-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-08T14:19:45-05:00</updated>
        <summary>The SCOTUS opinion is here (nod to Legal Profession Blog, and expect a fair bit of blawgospheric commentary). The news about the suit against Rumsfeld is here and the opinion is here.</summary>
        <author>
            <name>John Steele</name>
        </author>
        
        
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">The SCOTUS opinion is <a href="http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1119.pdf">here</a> (nod to Legal Profession Blog, and expect a fair bit of blawgospheric commentary).  The news about the suit against Rumsfeld is <a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/03/08/torture-suit-against-rumsfeld-allowed-to-proceed/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wsj%2Flaw%2Ffeed+%28WSJ.com%3A+Law+Blog%29">here</a> and the opinion is <a href="http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/030510rumsfeldopinion.pdf">here</a>.</div>
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        <title>Is the judge an umpire? Or maybe the commissioner.</title>
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        <published>2010-03-08T11:54:17-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-08T11:54:17-05:00</updated>
        <summary>We've previously had discussions on whether a judge is like a baseball umpire. (I acknowledge that my views are in the minority.) Over at the Yale Law Journal Online, Aaron Zelinsky gives us a history of the metaphor (which I...</summary>
        <author>
            <name>John Steele</name>
        </author>
        
        
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">We've previously had discussions on whether a judge is like a baseball umpire.  (I acknowledge that my views are in the minority.)  Over at the <a href="http://yalelawjournal.org/the-yale-law-journal-pocket-part/supreme-court/the-justice-as-commissioner:-benching-the-judge%11umpire-analogy/">Yale Law Journal Online</a>, Aaron Zelinsky gives us a history of the metaphor (which I great enjoyed reading) and then suggests that a SCOTUS justice is really like the Commissioner of Major League Baseball (an analogy I don't like).  So if this topic appeals to you, "play ball!" in the comments.</div>
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        <title>Jim Fischer on unintended disclosures; Gregory Duhl on the ethics of contract drafting</title>
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        <published>2010-03-08T06:59:10-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-08T07:10:51-05:00</updated>
        <summary>How Should Lawyers Handle the Unintended Disclosure of Possibly Privileged Information, by Jim Fischer. Abstract: The inadvertently sent email that contains opposing counsel’s settlement strategy, the opposing party’s client opinion letter negligently included in a discovery response, and the opposing...</summary>
        <author>
            <name>John Steele</name>
        </author>
        
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><a href="http://">How Should Lawyers Handle the Unintended Disclosure of
Possibly Privileged Information</a>, by<a href="http://swlaw.edu/faculty/faculty_listing/facultybio/70050"> Jim Fischer</a>.  Abstract:</p><p>

</p><blockquote><p class="MsoNormal">The inadvertently sent email that contains opposing
counsel’s settlement strategy, the opposing party’s client opinion letter
negligently included in a discovery response, and the opposing party’s work
papers taken by a whistle blowing client all share a common theme – the
materials were not intended to be disclosed by the opposing party to the
recipient lawyer. Notwithstanding the similarities, case law, commentary, and
ethics opinions have tended to treat the issues as separate. This separation
has not, however, helped lawyers who are subjected to conflicting and
inconsistent opinions as to how they should respond in situations when they
have received information that may possibly be privileged.</p></blockquote>

<blockquote><p class="MsoNormal">This article makes two contentions. First, with respect to
the privileged status of the disclosed materials, all disclosures unintended from
the standpoint of the privilege holder should be treated under a single
standard that asks whether the privilege holder exercised reasonable care in
maintaining the confidentiality of the materials. Second, with respect to the
receiving lawyers professional obligations, lawyers who receive materials that
are possibly privileged should be allowed to read the materials (1) to
determine whether the materials are privileged and (2) to better argue the
contention to the court that the materials are not privileged. A lawyer who
reads the materials, even past the point when the privileged status of the
materials is arguably apparent, should not be deemed to have engaged in
professionally improper behavior as long as (1) the lawyer notifies opposing
counsel of receipt of the materials and (2) makes no surreptious use of the
materials until their status has been clarified by the court.</p></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1552164">The Ethics of Contract Drafting</a>, by <a href="http://www.wmitchell.edu/academics/faculty/Duhl.asp">Gregory Duhl</a>.  Abstract:</p><p class="MsoNormal">

</p><blockquote><p class="MsoNormal">This Article provides the first comprehensive discussion of
the ethical obligations and duties to non-clients of lawyers drafting
contracts. It discusses fraudulent representations, errors, fraud, and
"conscious ambiguity" in transcription, as well as "iffy"
and invalid clauses, and argues that the standard for lawyer misconduct under
the disciplinary rules should be consistent with the purposes of contract law,
one of which is to promote trust between contracting parties. Additionally, the
Article discusses lawyer liability for negligence to non-parties in contract
drafting and contends that lawyers should be liable to non-parties only when
they are third-party beneficiaries to the contract between the lawyer and
client for the lawyer‘s services. The Article concludes by arguing for a
functional set of ethical rules for lawyers drafting contracts that reflect the
increasing emphasis on cooperation, rather than competition, in the contracting
process.</p></blockquote>




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        <title>California case: recorded statements from witnesses aren't work product; are discoverable</title>
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        <published>2010-03-05T10:58:05-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-05T12:22:15-05:00</updated>
        <summary>Decision here in Coito v. Superior Court, disagreeing with existing California case law in Nacht &amp; Lewis Architects, Inc. v. Superior Court, 47 Cal.App.4th 214 (1996).</summary>
        <author>
            <name>John Steele</name>
        </author>
        
        
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><a href="http://www.leagle.com/unsecure/page.htm?shortname=incaco20100304038">Decision here</a> in <em>Coito v. Superior Court</em>, disagreeing with existing California case law in <em>Nacht &amp; Lewis Architects, Inc. v. Superior Court</em>, 47 Cal.App.4th 214 (1996).</div>
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        <title>Conference Announcement</title>
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        <published>2010-03-05T10:20:22-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-05T10:20:22-05:00</updated>
        <summary>Lawyers in Practice: Ethical Decision Making in Context Hosted by the Baldy Center for Law &amp; Social Policy in Buffalo NY, and co-sponsored by the University of Connecticut, this one-day conference will address the following: How do lawyers resolve ethical...</summary>
        <author>
            <name>Brad Wendel</name>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><strong><span>Lawyers in Practice: Ethical Decision Making in Context<br /></span></strong></p><strongase href="https://cls-mail1.law.cornell.edu/exchange/w-bradley-wendel/Inbox/%5BSECTPR%5D%20-%20Conference%20-%20Lawyers%20in%20Practice:%20Ethical%20Decision%20Making%20in%20Context%20-%20April%2023,%202010.EML/"><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hosted by the </span><span>Baldy</span><span> 
</span><span>Center</span><span> for Law &amp; Social Policy in 
</span><span>Buffalo</span><span> </span><span>NY</span><span>, and co-sponsored 
by the </span><span>University</span><span> of 
</span><span>Connecticut</span><span>, this one-day conference will address the 
following: How do lawyers resolve ethical problems in the everyday context of 
law practice? What issues commonly emerge in different practice specialties and 
what are the norms and rules for resolving them? This is the first conference 
that focuses on the empirical research on lawyers’ work and their actual 
decision making in a wide variety of practice contexts. Participants will 
examine the work of lawyers in a number of practice areas, identifying one or 
more ethical issues that arise in the practice area. Scholars will present their research, embedding lawyers’ decision making in both the professional world of 
ethical codes and the social and economic setting of the workplace.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span>When: </span></strong><span class="apple-style-span"><span>Friday, Apr 23, 2010</span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span> (</span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span>8am- 5pm</span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span>)</span></span><span /></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span>Where: </span></strong><span class="apple-style-span"><span>University at </span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span>Buffalo</span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span> </span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span>Law</span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span> </span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span>School</span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span> (North Campus), 509 O’Brian 
Hall</span></span><span /></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><strong><span>Details</span></strong></span><span class="apple-style-span"><strong><span>:</span></strong></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span> 
http://law.buffalo.edu/baldycenter/</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><strong><span>Email:</span></strong></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span> Lmather@buffalo.edu or 
Leslie.Levin@law.uconn.edu</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><strong><span>Registration: </span></strong></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span>Baldy</span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span>RSVP@buffalo.edu</span></span></p></strongase></div>
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        <title>The Situationist Perspective on the Torture Memos</title>
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        <published>2010-03-05T09:26:24-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-04T20:36:15-05:00</updated>
        <summary>Cyberspace is already full of excellent commentary about the torture memos, so I've been reluctant to add another two cents. I was struck, however, by John Yoo's recent live Q&amp;A at the Washington Post's web site, where he said the...</summary>
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            <name>Andrew Perlman</name>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>Cyberspace is already full of excellent commentary about the torture memos, so I've been reluctant to add another two cents.  I was struck, however, by John Yoo's recent live Q&amp;A at the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2010/03/03/DI2010030301148.html">Washington Post's web site</a>, where he said the following:</p><div class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">At the Justice Department in the first months after the 9/11 attacks,
we sought to define what torture was, as established by an Act of
Congress, to make sure that the CIA did not carry out any interrogation
methods that violated the law. If you were to read that work, you will
see, in fact, that we indeed looked at the legal reasoning of other
countries, specifically Israel and Great Britain. You may have a
different result in mind, and maybe you would have drawn the line of
what was and was not torture differently, and you may even have done so
differently under the circumstances and pressures of those days, but I
would like to point out that it should be incumbent on critics to put
themselves in that situation and give us their best legal opinion on
the meaning of the statute. It is easy to play a Monday morning
quarterback and look back with years of hindsight when one has the
luxury of not working under the pressures of a recent attack on the
country.
<br /></div><p>Many people have wondered how much of Yoo's legal advice was shaped by the particular environment in which he found himself after the 9/11 attacks.  For example, I <a href="http://legalethicsforum.typepad.com/blog/2008/05/op-ed-on-john-y.html">previously speculated</a> that contextual forces, such as those that existed at that time, may have affected Yoo's objectivity and the quality of his advice.  It had been my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that Yoo had not previously acknowledged that possibility, but the quote above implies that the high pressure context may have affected his analysis, at least to some degree.    </p><p>Of course, none of these observations, even if they are accurate, necessarily tell us whether Yoo should be disciplined.  They do illustrate, however, the importance of understanding how situational forces affect lawyer behavior.  In recent years, legal ethics scholarship (like a lot of legal scholarship) has drawn on insights from behavioral psychology, and the torture memo controversy offers a useful backdrop for studying how some of those conceptual insights intersect with the practice of law. </p></div>
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        <title>Book about Eliot Spitzer and Client Confidences</title>
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        <published>2010-03-04T23:53:45-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-04T23:53:45-05:00</updated>
        <summary>I was reading an article in the NYT about a new book on the Spitzer scandal (here) , written by his former employer/mentor/friend/employee Lloyd Constantine. The book details various incidents about Spitzer's downfall, and details of conversations with the then...</summary>
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            <name>Alice Woolley</name>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>I was reading an article in the NYT about a new book on the Spitzer scandal (<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/04/nyregion/04spitzer.html?hpw">here</a>) , written by his former employer/mentor/friend/employee Lloyd Constantine.  The book details various incidents about Spitzer's downfall, and details of conversations with the then Governor at the time the prostitution scandal came to light.  The review then says this:</p><br /><div><span style="font-family: georgia, 'times new roman', times, serif; font-size: 15px; line-height: 22px; ">He immediately called the governor. “Eliot was crying and said two jangling if not necessarily inconsistent things,” Mr. Constantine writes. “He said, ‘You can throw me over if you want to, and I won’t blame you if you do.’ And then said, ‘As of now, you are my counsel.’ ”</span><br /></div><div><span size="4;" style="font-family: georgia, 'times new roman', times, serif"><span style="font-size: 15px; line-height: 22px;"><br /></span></span></div><div><font size="4"><span style="font-size: 15px; line-height: 22px;"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Does this not suggest that perhaps Mr. Constantine's book is both interesting and a breach of solicitor-client confidentiality?</span></span></font></div></div>
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        <title>Self-Defense: Rules v. Code, not what you think?</title>
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        <id>tag:typepad.com,2003:post-6a00d8341cb84553ef01310f64c41e970c</id>
        <published>2010-03-04T21:42:22-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-04T21:42:22-05:00</updated>
        <summary>While researching confidentiality in the Rules and the Code for another reason, I came upon this textual issue. As we know, the text of the self-defense exception in the Rules is and was meant to be broader than the text...</summary>
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            <name>Stephen Gillers</name>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>While researching confidentiality in the Rules and the Code for another reason, I came upon this textual issue.</p><p>As we know, the text of the self-defense exception in the Rules is and was meant to be broader than the text in the Code. For example, it allows revelation of client confidences not only for defensive purposes but also to establish a "claim." So an in-house lawyer can sometimes use confidential information to prove discrimination by an employer  or to prove retaliatory discharge. </p><p>The Rules also allow revelation of confidences "to respond to allegations in any proceeding concerning the lawyer's representation of the client." It does not say the lawyer has to be a party or counsel in the proceeding.</p><p>But the word "proceeding" is limiting.</p><p>What if the lawyer's work is attacked outside a tribunal, say in the press, by the (now former) client or others? Can the lawyer defend with confidential information? It would seem not as the text reads.</p><p>But the Code language, though it focuses on defense only, not claims (except for claims for fees), allows a lawyer to reveal confidences "to defend himself...against an accusation of wrongdoing." It is not limited to a "proceeding," unless we read the word "accusation" to mean a "formal accusation" or something like that, which is not self-evident.</p><p>So what's the answer? And what should be the answer? I can certainly imagine situations where my reputation can be more seriously harmed in a news story than by what someone says in court in passing.</p><p /><p /><p /></div>
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        <title>Lawyer publicly opposes real estate project he had helped client with; suit against lawyer dismissed</title>
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        <published>2010-03-04T11:35:36-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-04T11:35:36-05:00</updated>
        <summary>Opinion here. We all know that the duty of confidentiality survives the attorney client relationship, but the extent to which the duty of loyalty survives when it doesn't impact confidentiality has always been an interesting question. Here, the lawyer wasn't...</summary>
        <author>
            <name>John Steele</name>
        </author>
        
        
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><a href="http://www.leagle.com/unsecure/page.htm?shortname=incaco20100303039">Opinion here</a>.  We all know that the duty of confidentiality survives the attorney client relationship, but the extent to which the duty of loyalty survives when it doesn't impact confidentiality has always been an interesting question.  Here, the lawyer wasn't attacking his own work product on behalf of another client; he was engaging in public speech.</div>
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        <title>Is there a law school bubble, revisted. (and is it now popping?)</title>
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        <published>2010-03-04T09:34:22-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-04T09:49:54-05:00</updated>
        <summary>Paul Caron reports on the NALP data showing that hiring is way down -- although the numbers vary some by region and area of practice. When the firms were flush, summer hiring was often seen as a tentative permanent hire...</summary>
        <author>
            <name>John Steele</name>
        </author>
        
        
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><a href="http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2010/03/nalp-reports.html">Paul Caron reports on the NALP data showing that hiring is way down</a> -- although the numbers vary some by region and area of practice.  When the firms were flush, summer hiring was often seen as a tentative permanent hire 2-3 years in advance, which was a crazy way to do business.  My guess is that firms are hiring much closer to "just in time" now, which means we're seeing a huge accumulation of law students without clear plans for the future.</p><p>Yet, we're hearing that law school applications are up and we know that new law schools continue to open.  We've all been wondering if there is a law school bubble and, if so, whether it will pop or deflate.</p><p>Related news: are there <a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/03/04/look-in-house-young-lbers-jobs-are-on-the-way/">jobs</a> <a href="http://www.law.com/jsp/cc/PubArticleCC.jsp?id=1202445342344&amp;Are_Things_Looking_Up_ACC_Survey_Suggests_InHouse_Lawyers_Are_Poised_to_Hire">in-house</a>?</p></div>
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        <title>odds and ends (March 4, 2010)</title>
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        <published>2010-03-04T09:28:41-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-04T09:48:43-05:00</updated>
        <summary>Over at Legal Profession Blog they have a post about a lawyer who used a website to retaliate against a former client, breaching confidentiality. . . . . Interesting post on how Microsoft is using off-shoring and "on-shoring" to reduce...</summary>
        <author>
            <name>John Steele</name>
        </author>
        
        
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">Over at <a href="http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/legal_profession/2010/03/the-illinois-administrator-has-filed-a-disciplinary-complaint-alleging-that-an-attorney-divulged-confidential-information-abo.html">Legal Profession Blog</a> they have a post about a lawyer who used a website to retaliate against a former client, breaching confidentiality.    .  .  .  .    Interesting <a href="http://globalgeneralcounsel.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/legal-fees-will-drop-from-microsofts-lpo-onshoringoffshoring-deal/">post</a> on how Microsoft is using off-shoring and "on-shoring" to reduce legal costs.    .  .  .  .    From Sri Lanka, an <a href="http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2010/03/legal-profession-and-protection-of.html">op-ed</a> on the importance of legal ethics to the rule of law and individual liberties.    .  .  .  .    A law student fulfills a writing requirement for her PR class by creating <a href="http://theendofblackandwhite.blogspot.com/2010/03/i-dont-buy-that-being-workaholic-is.html">this journal-blog</a> about her legal ethics class.    .  .  .  .    Speaking of blogs to visit, George Conk, who teaches PR at Fordham, has this <a href="http://blackstonetoday.blogspot.com/">blog</a>, which covers issues well beyond legal ethics.    .  .  .  .    On March 19th, Stephen Pepper will be speaking <a href="http://www.rockbridgeweekly.com/rw_article.php?ndx=16864">on legal ethics at Washington &amp; Lee</a>.    .  .  .  .    Andrew Bluestone <a href="http://blog.bluestonelawfirm.com/legal-malpractice-news-fees-between-attorneys-and-the-second-circuit.html">posts</a> about a New York case where an attempt to fee share led to the lawyers all getting less.    </div>
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        <title>Another review of Markovits's "A Modern Legal Ethics"</title>
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        <published>2010-03-04T09:05:07-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-04T09:10:11-05:00</updated>
        <summary>Over at Concurring Opinion, by Stephen Galoob, a JSP student at Berkeley. (Prof. Markovits posted on our site about his book, and we had several posts about it. )</summary>
        <author>
            <name>John Steele</name>
        </author>
        
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><a href="http://www.concurringopinions.com/archives/2010/03/book-review-daniel-markovits-a-modern-legal-ethics.html">Over at Concurring Opinion</a>, by Stephen Galoob, a JSP student at Berkeley.  (Prof. Markovits <a href="http://legalethicsforum.typepad.com/blog/2008/11/guest-blogger-d.html">posted</a> on our site about his <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Legal-Ethics-Adversary-Democratic/dp/0691121621/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1267711471&amp;sr=8-1">book</a>, and we had <a href="http://www.legalethicsforum.com/blog/2009/05/markovits-and-the-immanent-rationality-of-the-law-governing-lawyers.html">several</a> <a href="http://www.legalethicsforum.com/blog/2009/05/is-diversity-really-the-enemy-of-community-more-on-markovits.html">posts</a> <a href="http://www.legalethicsforum.com/blog/2009/05/daniel-markovits-responds-to-alice-woolley.html">about</a> <a href="http://www.legalethicsforum.com/blog/2009/11/review-of-markovits-book.html">it.</a> )</div>
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        <title>The al-Qaida Seven</title>
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        <published>2010-03-02T16:06:40-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-02T16:27:09-05:00</updated>
        <summary>... is apparently the name being given by Liz Cheney's group Keep America Safe to unnamed Justice Department lawyers who represented detainees before joining the DOJ. (Hat tip TPM) As our own Stephen Gillers points out, allegations of a conflict...</summary>
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            <name>Brad Wendel</name>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>... is apparently the name being <a href="http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/liz_cheney_attacks_defense_attorneys_for_represent.php">given by Liz Cheney's group</a> Keep America Safe to unnamed Justice Department lawyers who represented detainees before joining the DOJ.  (Hat tip TPM)  As our own Stephen Gillers points out, allegations of a conflict of interest are entirely bogus.  Unless the lawyer participated personally and substantially in the same matter while in private practice, there is no conflict of interest if that attorney works on detainee issues in the Justice Department -- see MR 1.11(d).  But everyone who knows anything about the law of lawyering knows that.  The point of this line of criticism is not to raise a technical conflict of interest issue, but to question the patriotism of lawyers who represent accused terrorists.  In this way it is reminiscent of the attack by Deputy Defense Secretary Charles "Cully" Stimson, during the Bush Administration, on law firms who represented detainees pro bono.  Stimson recommended that corporate clients fire law firms whose lawyers did pro bono work for detainees.  Interestingly, the suggestion was not only a flop (to my knowledge, no clients retaliated against their firms for doing detainee representation) but provoked clear condemnation from the right and the left.  Charles Fried, for example, wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal reminding readers, for the umpteenth time, of the honorable tradition of lawyers representing unpopular clients.  </p>
<p>Evidently Cheney and other conservative media outlets (e.g., the Weekly Standard, the National Review, Michelle Malkin) think the critique will have some traction this time.  I have no idea why they think this, unless the allegation of a conflict of interest gets people's attention.  So, just to be clear (and to underscore Gillers's point), there is no conflict of interest here -- this is a pure guilt-by-association argument.  </p></div>
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        <title>Judicial Ethics Symposium</title>
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        <published>2010-03-02T13:31:12-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-02T13:31:12-05:00</updated>
        <summary>The Ethics Across the Profession Initiative at University of the Pacific - McGeorge School of Law (directed by Paul Paton) is presenting a symposium entitled Judicial Ethics and Accountability: At Home and Abroad. The symposium will consider the following themes:...</summary>
        <author>
            <name>Brad Wendel</name>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p> The Ethics Across the Profession Initiative at University of the Pacific - McGeorge School of Law (directed by Paul Paton) is presenting a symposium entitled <a href="http://www.mcgeorge.edu/Research_Centers_and_Institutes/Capital_Center_for_Public_Law_and_Policy_Home/Ethics_Across_the_Professions_Initiative/Judicial_Ethics_and_Accountability_At_Home_and_Abroad.htm">Judicial Ethics and Accountability:  At Home and Abroad</a>.  The symposium will consider the following themes:</p>
<p>What does it mean to be an ethical judge? How can judges preserve independence yet remain accountable? After a year in which a new Justice was confirmed to the Supreme Court, a Supreme Court decision offered the potential to transform judicial elections across the country, sanctions were considered for judges because of their internet postings and activities, and politicians in California blamed the judiciary for the cost of government business, this Symposium will consider issues of ethics, accountability and independence for the judiciary in America and internationally. Domestic experts will be joined by members of the judiciary and international tribunals for a wide-ranging and timely set of discussions of pressing issues, reflecting on recent events and charting the way forward.</p>
<p>Panels will address these subjects, among others:</p>
<li>The Ethical Judge 
<li>Judicial Elections, Financing and the Independence of the Bench 
<li>The California Commission for Impartial Courts 
<li>Roundtable - Judges, (in)Civility and the Media </li>
<li>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -1in">Regulating Ethics: Judicial Education and Codes of Conduct</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -1in">Ethics for Judges and Tribunals: An International Perspective</div></li>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -1in">Confirmed speakers include scholars, lawyers, and judges from the U.S. and abroad.  </p></li></li></li></li></div>
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    <entry>
        <title>First result in ethics probe of text messaging scandal surrounding Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick</title>
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        <published>2010-03-02T10:31:17-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-02T10:31:17-05:00</updated>
        <summary>The 83 page report, finding that Samuel McCargo committed professional misconduct, is here. Download Mccargo News article here. (Thanks to Peter Henning, of Wayne State and the NYT White Collar Watch Blog.)</summary>
        <author>
            <name>John Steele</name>
        </author>
        
        <category scheme="http://sixapart.com/ns/types#tag" term="Kwame Kilpatrick" />
        
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>The 83 page report, finding that Samuel McCargo committed professional misconduct, is here.  <a href="http://www.legalethicsforum.com/files/mccargo.pdf">Download Mccargo</a>   News article <a href="http://www.freep.com/article/20100302/NEWS01/3020339/1318/Panel-Kilpatricks-lawyer-broke-the-rules">here</a>.  (Thanks to <a href="http://www.law.wayne.edu/faculty/bio.php?id=43000">Peter Henning</a>, of Wayne State and the NYT <a href="http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/category/white-collar-watch/">White Collar Watch Blog</a>.)  </p></div>
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    <entry>
        <title>Some recent scholarship</title>
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        <published>2010-03-02T10:12:29-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-02T10:54:30-05:00</updated>
        <summary>Howard Erichson and Benjamin Zipursky, “Consent Versus Closure.” (nod to Mass Tort Litigation Blog) Abstract: Claimants, defendants, courts, and counsel are understandably frustrated by the difficulty of resolving mass tort cases. Defendants demand closure, but class certification has proved elusive...</summary>
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            <name>John Steele</name>
        </author>
        
        <category scheme="http://sixapart.com/ns/types#tag" term="aggregate claims litigation" />
        <category scheme="http://sixapart.com/ns/types#tag" term="IOLTA" />
        <category scheme="http://sixapart.com/ns/types#tag" term="prosecutors" />
        
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&lt;div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Howard Erichson and Benjamin Zipursky, “&lt;a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1560035"&gt;Consent Versus
Closure&lt;/a&gt;.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160; (nod to&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/mass_tort_litigation/"&gt; Mass Tort Litigation Blog&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;) &amp;#0160;&lt;/span&gt;Abstract:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Claimants, defendants, courts, and counsel are
understandably frustrated by the difficulty of resolving mass tort cases.
Defendants demand closure, but class certification has proved elusive and
non-class settlements require individual consent. Lawyers and scholars have
been drawn to strategies that solve the problem by empowering plaintiffs’
counsel to negotiate package deals that effectively sidestep individual
consent. In the massive Vioxx settlement, the parties achieved closure by including
terms that made it unrealistic for any claimant to decline. The American Law
Institute’s Principles of the Law of Aggregate Litigation offers another path
to closure: it proposes to permit clients to consent in advance to be bound by
a settlement with a supermajority vote. This article argues that, despite their
appeal, both of these strategies must be rejected. Lawyer empowerment
strategies render settlements illegitimate when they rely on inauthentic
consent or place lawyers in the untenable position of allocating funds among
bound clients. Consent, not closure, is the touchstone of legitimacy in mass
tort settlements.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Daniel Medwed, “&lt;a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1545937"&gt;Emotionally Charged: The Prosecutorial
Charging Decision and the Innocence Revolution&lt;/a&gt;.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun:
yes"&gt;&amp;#0160; &lt;/span&gt;Abstract:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Efforts to rectify wrongful convictions in the United States
arguably represent a new civil rights movement for the twentieth-first century.
Since 1989, post-conviction DNA testing has exonerated over two hundred
inmates, their innocence proven beyond a shadow of a doubt through science, and
at least three hundred other innocent prisoners have gained their freedom in
cases lacking the magic bullet of DNA. Studies of these cases reveal that
specific factors tend to cause wrongful convictions in the first place.
Misbehavior by prosecutors - especially involving the suppression of
exculpatory evidence - has emerged as one of those factors.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;This Symposium directly (and commendably) tackles the
problem of under-disclosure of evidence by prosecutors. Encouraging prosecutors
to adhere more closely to existing disclosure rules advances the ends by
fairness by boosting the capacity of the defense to prepare for trial.
Increased disclosure can also bolster the accuracy of criminal adjudications by
minimizing the risk that innocent criminal defendants will be wrongfully
convicted; armed with exculpatory and other evidence, the innocent are better
positioned to reject plea offers and mount solid defenses at trial. In short,
more disclosure in more cases in a more timely fashion is a good idea.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Yet any discussion about prosecutorial disclosure is
incomplete without paying some attention to an equally vital moment in the
pretrial process: the initial decision to charge a suspect with a crime
whatsoever. The mere decision to charge tends to set in motion a sequence of
events that inexorably lead to either a plea offer or a trial - even where the
case is weak and where the prosecution has complied fully with its disclosure
duties. This Essay grapples with the topic of prosecutorial charging decisions
in light of the “Innocence Revolution.” Part I of the Essay explores the rules
and practices surrounding prosecutorial charging decisions, pointing out some
of the flaws in this regime that may accidentally lead to charging innocent
suspects with crimes. Next, Part II proposes a series of modest reforms to the
charging process designed to reduce the possibility that the innocent will face
criminal charges at all.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Drury Stevenson, “&lt;a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1544497"&gt;IOLTA Problems in the Post-Kelo World&lt;/a&gt;.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&amp;#0160;&amp;#0160;This is a topic I had thought was &amp;quot;old and cold,&amp;quot; but I learned a lot about how IOLTA&amp;#39;s work, their politics, their economics, etc., from Stevenson&amp;#39;s article, which, by the way, lays out all the competing views even-handedly. &amp;#0160;&lt;/span&gt;Abstract:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;IOLTA programs are a very popular mechanism for funding
legal services for the poor, and are now operating in every state. As a result,
however, IOLTA has become the most frequent and widespread instance of
government takings of private property in America. The post-Kelo era has seen
increasing legislative restrictions on takings, and the post-Kelo reforms in
several states appear to have inadvertently made their respective IOLTA
programs illegal by banning all takings where the government immediately gives
the taken property to another private party (in this case, private poverty-law
foundations and legal aid clinics). &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;IOLTA takings also highlight a puzzling gap in our legal
system between eminent domain law and administrative law. Eminent domain law
tends to downplay the importance of procedure itself for government actions,
often allowing states to proceed without regard to procedural due process as
long as the victims of takings can bring inverse condemnation actions after the
fact. Administrative law, in contrast, includes a long line of Supreme Court
precedents that emphasize the importance of procedure itself as a component of
due process and fairness; state infringements on the “property interests” of
individuals can face reversal simply because an agency failed to provide a fair
hearing beforehand.&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The ensuing discussion also reaches three inherent tensions
or puzzles with public funding of legal services for the poor: crowding-out
effects, monopoly/single-payer system problems, and the moral hazard problems
with providing free lawyers for the poor. This article addresses, apparently
for the first time, these three (rather significant) concerns as they pertain
to IOLTA or legal services in general. I offer some modest policy reforms in
response to these issues.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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    <entry>
        <title>Perjury by a CA client in a civil case</title>
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        <published>2010-03-01T19:28:30-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-01T19:28:30-05:00</updated>
        <summary>This will be of limited interest to those outside California, but I had an interesting conversation today and wanted to post something having no possible connection to the OLC memos, so here goes: Suppose you represent a client in a...</summary>
        <author>
            <name>dmcgowan</name>
        </author>
        
        
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>This will be of limited interest to those outside California, but I had an interesting conversation today and wanted to post something having no possible connection to the OLC memos, so here goes:</p><p>Suppose you represent a client in a civil case and the client perjures himself at his deposition.  You remonstrate but he doesn't care.  Under the CA rules you may not disclose his perjury. Now suppose you are heading to trial and the client gives every indication of planning to repeat his perjury.  You remonstrate; he doesn't care.  You go to the judge and say "for ethical reasons I want out."  The judge says "no."  You remonstrate some more; same result.  </p><p>May you put on the case and allow the client to testify in the narrative (as we do out here), avoiding any use of the perjured testimony, or is that procedure only applicable to criminal cases?  I had thought it would be OK to use the narrative approach in a civil case (so long as the court played ball with the narrative testimony, but that is probably discretionary), but some pretty well-informed people think otherwise.  </p><p>My view was that the ethical prohibition is on introducing or using the false testimony and that prohibition applies equally to civil and criminal cases; the criminal part is relevant only insofar as it heightens significantly the accused's interest in testifying.  I think the text of the rules point this way but I don't believe I have seen this come up on the civil side in CA.  </p><p>Thoughts, CA mavens?</p><p>DM</p><br /></div>
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    <entry>
        <title>New blog of interest</title>
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        <id>tag:typepad.com,2003:post-6a00d8341cb84553ef0120a8e717a0970b</id>
        <published>2010-03-01T13:03:30-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-01T13:03:30-05:00</updated>
        <summary>LEF readers may (or may not) be interested in a new blog I've helped launch titled Law, Religion, Ethics: A multi-faith dialogue. The "ethics" will likely focus more on philosophical and theological understandings more than the ABA version, but with...</summary>
        <author>
            <name>Rob Vischer</name>
        </author>
        
        
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>LEF readers may (or may not) be interested in a new blog I've helped launch titled <em><a href="http://lawreligionethics.net/">Law, Religion, Ethics: A multi-faith dialogue</a></em>.  The "ethics" will likely focus more on philosophical and theological understandings more than the ABA version, but with legal ethics scholars such as Bob Cochran, Russ Pearce, Sam Levine, and Marie Failinger in the mix, we may even bring the Model Rules into the conversation from time to time.</p></div>
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    <entry>
        <title>Reduced diversity in large law firms </title>
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        <id>tag:typepad.com,2003:post-6a00d8341cb84553ef0120a8e6719d970b</id>
        <published>2010-03-01T10:54:03-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-01T10:54:03-05:00</updated>
        <summary>Important article here. During the recent downsizing at biglaw, it appears that diversity has reduced. Coupled with the earlier news that diversity at US law schools dropped over the last decade, it seems that we need to focus hard on...</summary>
        <author>
            <name>John Steele</name>
        </author>
        
        
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><a href="http://"><a href="http://www.law.com/jsp/tal/PubArticleTAL.jsp?id=1202444097605&amp;pDiversity_Scorecard_p__One_Step_Back&amp;slreturn=1&amp;hbxlogin=1">Important article here.</a></a>  During the recent downsizing at biglaw, it appears that diversity has reduced.  Coupled with the earlier news that diversity at US law schools dropped over the last decade, it seems that we need to focus hard on this issue.  Areas to focus on include, but are not limited to: (1) overt and unconscious stereotyping; (2) disparities in human capital across demographic groups (some of which can be affected by the unrepresented minorities themselves); and (3) how the cost of law school impacts socio-economic groups which in turn have disparate impacts on racial groups.</div>
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    <entry>
        <title>odds and ends (March 1, 2010)</title>
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        <published>2010-03-01T07:21:31-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-03-01T07:28:31-05:00</updated>
        <summary>The DC Bar's ethics committee issued Opinion 353, which addresses "whether a lawyer representing a client with diminished capacity can seek the appointment of a substitute surrogate decision-maker when the current surrogate decision-maker is making decisions for the client against...</summary>
        <author>
            <name>John Steele</name>
        </author>
        
        
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">The DC Bar's ethics committee issued <a href="http://www.dcbar.org/for_lawyers/ethics/legal_ethics/opinions/opinion353.cfm">Opinion 353</a>, which addresses "whether a lawyer representing a client with diminished
capacity can seek the appointment of a substitute surrogate decision-maker when
the current surrogate decision-maker is making decisions for the client against
the advice of the lawyer."  (nod to <a href="http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/legal_profession/2009/07/law-school-40-are-law-schools-relevant-to-the-future-of-law.html">Legal Profession Blog</a>)    .  .  .  .    Speaking of Legal Profession Blog, Scott Horton <a href="http://harpers.org/archive/2010/02/hbc-90006603">says</a> that Frisch's presentation on the torture memos, focusing on MR 1.2(d), was a scene-stealer.    .  .  .  .    Kristen Holmquist, of Berkeley, <a href="http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2010/02/the-third-year-a-post-by-kristen-holmquist.html">discusses the utility of the third year of law school</a>.    .  .  .  .    The New York Times has an editorial -- <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/01/opinion/01mon2.html">If the Lawyer Fails</a> -- about the Holland case, which will be heard at the US Supreme Court on Monday, and in which the client, who sits in prison, is seeking equitable relief from his lawyer's failure to file a habeas brief on time.    .  .  .  .    <a href="http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2917176">An op-ed from Korea</a> says that its legal profession is a "hidden trade barrier."    .  .  .  .    <a href="http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/referral-ban-will-not-reduce-costs">Discussion in the UK</a> about banning referral fees.    .  .  .  .    In Ireland, there is <a href="http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0301/1224265372008.html">discussion</a> about the need for an ombudsman for the legal profession.    .  .  .  .    <a href="http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/03/01/qt/law_degree_for_sale">Humor</a>: someone tries to sell his law degree on Craigslist.    .  .  .  .    Scholarship: Catherine Rogers looks at <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1559012">the ethics of advocacy in international arbitrations</a>.</div>
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        <title>Update on OPR - Torture Memos News</title>
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        <published>2010-02-28T11:04:40-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-02-28T11:39:24-05:00</updated>
        <summary>At Main Justice, Joe Palazzolo covers the recent Senate questioning of the DOJ's second-highest lawyer, Gary Grindler, about the OPR report. . . . . At Balkinization, David Luban and Stuart Taylor debate the meaning of "torture." . . ....</summary>
        <author>
            <name>John Steele</name>
        </author>
        
        <category scheme="http://sixapart.com/ns/types#tag" term="John Yoo" />
        <category scheme="http://sixapart.com/ns/types#tag" term="OPR" />
        <category scheme="http://sixapart.com/ns/types#tag" term="torture memos" />
        
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">At <a href="http://www.mainjustice.com/2010/02/26/senators-question-dag-on-opr-report/">Main Justice</a>, Joe Palazzolo covers the recent Senate questioning of the DOJ's second-highest lawyer, Gary Grindler, about the OPR report.    . . . .     At <a href="http://balkin.blogspot.com/2010/02/fundamental-trick-pretending-that.html">Balkinization</a>, David Luban and Stuart Taylor debate the meaning of "torture."    . . . .     <a href="http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100224/A_OPINION0619/2240306/-1/NEWSMAP">Here's an op-ed piece in support of Yoo</a>, by Debra Saunders.    . . . .    Empty Wheel, at FireDogLake, continues with her <a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/02/28/the-torture-gang-the-entire-bush-administration/">in-depth (and very critical) analysis</a> of the details of what happened.  She also links to a <a href="http://static1.firedoglake.com/28/files/2010/02/Picture-207.png">chart</a> of all the lawyers who concluded that the CIA's proposed form of waterboarding was not torture.    . . . .    <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/26/AR2010022603765.html">There are renewed calls for an inquiry into missing emails</a>, including Yoo's from the crucial time period.  I suppose that if they turn up, we could have another inquiry/report.</div>
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        <title>Fatal Car Crash; Serious Injuries; Negligent Drivers; Product Defects</title>
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        <published>2010-02-27T09:36:00-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-02-27T09:36:00-05:00</updated>
        <summary>Those are the issues that supposedly drive lawyers and their marketers to leave comments on blogs. Let's see.</summary>
        <author>
            <name>John Steele</name>
        </author>
        
        
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        <title>Cyber-ambulance-chasing?</title>
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        <published>2010-02-25T10:53:06-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-02-27T09:33:51-05:00</updated>
        <summary>Interesting post by Ann Althouse on how commenting on blog posts that mention accidents. Can any readers confirm if lawyers use that technique to get clients? UPDATE: Eric Turkewitz, of New York Personal Injury Law Blog, has these thoughts on...</summary>
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            <name>John Steele</name>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><a href="http://althouse.blogspot.com/2010/02/instead-of-dashing-to-scene-of-accident.html">Interesting post by Ann Althouse</a> on how commenting on blog posts that mention accidents.  Can any readers confirm if lawyers use that technique to get clients?</p><p>UPDATE: Eric Turkewitz, of New York Personal Injury Law Blog, <a href="http://www.newyorkpersonalinjuryattorneyblog.com/2007/12/attorney-solicitation-20.html">has these thoughts on "attorney solicitation 2.0.</a></p></div>
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        <title>Legal Indeterminacy and the Torture Memos</title>
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        <published>2010-02-25T10:09:57-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-02-25T10:09:57-05:00</updated>
        <summary>I'm still working through the draft reports, responses by Yoo and Bybee, and final report released by the Justice Department last Friday. But for now I wanted to comment on what I think is the most important aspect of this...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>I'm still working through the draft reports, responses by Yoo and Bybee, and final report released by the Justice Department last Friday.  But for now I wanted to comment on what I think is the most important aspect of this whole controversy -- namely, whether or not we believe the law is capable of possessing (relatively, or moderately) determinate meaning apart from what a clever lawyer can make it mean.  I would talk about "objectivity" but for some reason that term gives everyone the heebie-jeebies; I don't mean anything mysterious by it, however, only that there is something apart from the interpreter (lawyer, judge, scholar, critic, et al.) that makes a legal interpretation better or worse.  In other words, legal objectivity is what we presuppose when we argue that a court or lawyer got it right or wrong in its reasoning.  I don't think this is mysterious, because this is what I and my colleagues do all the time when we teach class or grade exams.  If we didn't believe that law could have meaning apart from what interpreters wanted it to mean, then teaching and grading would be a charade -- an exercise of raw power dressed up as something more noble.  Anyhow, that's what I think is important in the torture memos controversy:  Do we believe it's possible to judge the arguments of Yoo and Bybee with reference to something other than first-order policy preferences or political ideology?  </p><p>Readers are probably rolling their eyes right now -- didn't we hash this out in the 80's and 90's?  Haven't we had enough of CLS and Stanley Fish telling us that the law wishes to have a formal existence (whatever that means)?  As I've argued, however, the debates over legal indeterminacy have come back in connection with the torture memos, only with the sides reversed.  Now it's the left that wants to claim that the law can have moderately determinate content apart from the efforts of interpreters, and it's the right arguing that we can't really say that a lawyer is distorting or twisting the law because, well, the law can be made to mean pretty much anything at all.  </p><p>This was feeling all very down-the-rabbit-hole to me, and then I read <a href="http://balkin.blogspot.com/2010/02/yoo-bybee-and-hall-of-mirrors-of-legal.html">Jack Balkin's post</a> on the "hall of mirrors" quality of the OPR report.  Balkin at least returns to his crit roots, with his argument that the debate over the soundness of the Yoo/Bybee arguments has an endlessly self-referential quality:</p><div class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;"><span class="rss:item">The relevant professional responsibility rules in
 this area depend on criteria of legal objectivity. The rules are 
violated only when lawyers make arguments that are very bad, so bad that
 we conclude that the lawyers can't have believed them. However, the 
question of whether lawyers have made arguments that are so bad that 
they can't have believed them turns out to be a question on which 
lawyers themselves disagree. As a result, we end up debating whether 
Margolis's defense of Yoo and Bybee's arguments as merely weak (and not 
egregiously bad) is a claim on which reasonable people could disagree or
 whether Margolis is simply wrong (<a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2245531">as Luban claims</a>). But of course, 
Margolis is a pretty good lawyer; as a result he is able to 
recharaterize facts and offer various reasons for why reasonable minds 
could disagree about whether Yoo's arguments were really bad arguments 
or just pretty weak arguments. The better a lawyer Margolis is, in 
fact, the easier it is for him to show that Yoo's critics aren't clearly
 correct that Yoo made objectively bad arguments. And if they aren't 
clearly correct, then Yoo isn't clearly wrong, and therefore he didn't 
violate legal ethics rules.</span><br /><span class="rss:item" /></div><p><span class="rss:item"><br />Balkin is right that legal argument is rarely conclusive.  But this is the problem with the term "objectivity" -- people take it to be making a stronger claim than we need.  Objectivity in legal argument doesn't mean conclusiveness.  It doesn't mean that one is forced to agree with a conclusion, under pain of being deemed irrational for failing to agree.  But this is no different from the problem of objectivity in ethics (that is, moral philosophy, not legal ethics).  An ethical argument need not compel assent in order to be objective; it merely must make reference to standards that exist beyond the mind of the judging subject.  The more moderate claim of objectivity here is simply that there are things which lawyers can use to evaluate the arguments of Yoo and Bybee, other than political ideology or client interests.  <br /><br />On this subject, Scott Horton has an <a href="http://harpers.org/archive/2010/02/hbc-90006597">interesting take on David Margolis</a>.  Horton argues that Margolis (who, arguably, watered down the OPR report to eliminate the conclusion of unethical behavior by Yoo and Bybee) isn't motivated by conventional left/right, Democratic/Republican ideology.  Rather, he is a government lawyer through and through, and is thus marinated in the Justice Department's beliefs that government lawyers should not be bound by state rules of professional conduct.  More broadly, Horton argues, Margolis "</span>represents a culture of craven clientalism in which lawyers are not the 
champions of the law but instruments in the hands of their employers, 
dedicated to getting them the results they want."</p><p>THAT is why this is an important issue for legal ethics.  The biggest thing that's wrong with the standard conception of legal ethics (otherwise known as the "zealous advocacy" position that all lawyers and law students seem to fall back on reflexively) is that it makes client <em>interests</em>, rather than the client's entitlements (legal rights and obligations), the baseline for assessing lawyers' conduct.  (Shameless plug:  My book arguing against this position is coming out this summer with Princeton University Press.)  Margolis is really nothing more than the guardian of the standard conception, residing within the Justice Department.  In a way this is comforting -- there's no nefarious plot by conservatives to exonerate Yoo and Bybee.  But in a way it's profoundly troubling, because it suggests that the problem is an attitude toward law, and our ethical responsibilities, which is shared by most lawyers.</p><p>The title of this post refers to legal (in)determinacy, and that is of course the linchpin of any argument against Margolis's view.  One would have to establish that there is sufficient determinacy in the law that it's possible to point to a position in one of the memos and conclude that it is insufficiently well grounded in law (or, but <em>only if this were a position asserted in litigation</em>, in a good faith argument for the extension, modification, or reversal of existing law).  <span class="rss:item">This is the point where Balkin can't quite be a crit.  He wants to reject the idea of certainty in legal argument (which I do as well), but he also wants to hold on to something that looks like . . . objectivity!  Here is what is says:<br /><br /></span></p><div class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;"><span class="rss:item">The moral of the story is not that legal argument
 is hopeless. It is rather that you should be careful that you do not 
demand the wrong things of it. Law works best when it relies on 
plausibility and reasonableness; when it requires certainty it often 
badly misfires, because lawyers are trained to upset certainty where 
ever they find it. </span><br /><span class="rss:item" /></div><p><span class="rss:item"><br />Plausibility and reasonableness make sense as evaluative standards only if they are fleshed out with reference to something other than the attitudes of the interpreter.  Yoo and Bybee believed their arguments were plausible.  But they weren't, and that's the problem.  How do we establish this?  At this point, legal ethicists as a whole have to kind of get off the stage, and allow room for international and criminal law experts, executive-power con law types, and others with expertise in the relevant substantive legal subjects to evaluate the arguments in the memos.  Among prominent commentators, David Luban (int'l humanitarian law), Scott Horton (law of warfare), and Jack Balkin (con law) have this expertise, but I really don't.  My contribution, such as it is, is methodological.  My point is that legal ethics requires a certain attitude toward law and client interests, namely that the lawyer's duties of competent and diligent representation, as well as duties of candor and independence, are all calibrated with reference to the legal entitlements, not the interests, of clients.  As for what those entitlements are, that's a question for the experts.<br /></span></p></div>
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        <title>Around the web: Don Lundberg honored with NOBC "Case of the Month"; Abnormal Use blog interviews Professor Virzi; should private firms reveal financial information?</title>
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        <published>2010-02-25T09:35:44-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-02-25T11:11:11-05:00</updated>
        <summary>The National Organization of Bar Counsel (i.e., the state bar discipline lawyers) have chosen their Case of the Month to be a vehicle for paying tribute to Don Lundberg for his years of service to the Indiana discipline system. (not...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">The National Organization of Bar Counsel (i.e., the state bar discipline lawyers) have chosen their <a href="http://www.nobc.org/caseofthemonth.aspx?id=3202">Case of the Month</a> to be a vehicle for paying tribute to Don Lundberg for his years of service to the Indiana discipline system.  (not to <a href="http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/legal_profession/2009/07/law-school-40-are-law-schools-relevant-to-the-future-of-law.html">Legal Profession Blog</a>)    . . . .     <a href="http://www.abnormaluse.com/2010/02/abnormal-interviews-law-professor.html">The Abnormal Use blog interviews Professor Virzi </a>on developments in South Carolina's law of lawyering.    . . . .    <a href="http://www.law.com/jsp/law/careercenter/lawArticleCareerCenter.jsp?id=1202444495743&amp;src=EMC-Email&amp;et=editorial&amp;bu=Law.com&amp;pt=LAWCOM%20Newswire&amp;cn=NW_20100225&amp;kw=What%20Women%20Want%3A%20Law%20Firm%20Partnership%20Details">Interesting story by Vivia Chen</a> (nod<a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/02/25/should-firms-be-coughing-up-more-information-on-partners/"> to WSJ law blog</a>) about asking private practice firms to make more disclosures about their internal finances.  One of the reasons for the request is so that more pressure can be brought to bear on law firms regarding their diversity.</div>
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        <title>Charles Hood case: death penalty thrown out -- but not because of relationship between judge and prosecutor</title>
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        <published>2010-02-25T09:26:46-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-02-25T13:52:15-05:00</updated>
        <summary>Texas threw out the death penalty in the Charles Hood case due to a faulty jury instruction -- and not because of the intimate relationship between the judge and prosecutor. I wonder if my initial reaction was too cynical: this...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/25/us/25texas.html">Texas threw out the death penalty in the Charles Hood case</a> due to a faulty jury instruction -- and not because of the intimate relationship between the judge and prosecutor.  I wonder if my initial reaction was too cynical: this Texas panel ruled that way to protect the state's judiciary from the embarrassment that would ensue if the US Supremes got ahold of the issue of judicial bias.  </p><p>UPDATE: As I understand it, Hood's lawyers take the position that the new ruling, which deals with the death penalty phase, does not negate Hood's argument that the merits trial was infected by a conflict (because the judge and prosecutor were in, or had just finished, an intimate personal relationship).  </p></div>
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        <title>A Twist on the Misdirected Fax Scenario</title>
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        <published>2010-02-25T06:25:54-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-02-25T06:25:54-05:00</updated>
        <summary>I hadn't seen one of these before: employee and employer are in dispute; employer's lawyer faxes something to employer, and employee picks it up off the fax machine. Nova Southeastern Univ., Inc. v. Jacobson, 25 So.3d 82 (Fla. App. 2009)....</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">I hadn't seen one of these before:  employee and employer are in dispute; employer's lawyer faxes something to employer, and employee picks it up off the fax machine.  Nova Southeastern Univ., Inc. v. Jacobson, 25 So.3d 82 (Fla. <span style="font-size: 12px; ">Ap</span><span style="font-size: medium; line-height: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12px; ">p. 2009).  Nothing novel to it, except (from what I recall seeing) the fact pattern.</span></span></div>
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        <title>Update on Second Circuit's denial of en banc review in Lynne Stewart case</title>
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        <published>2010-02-24T11:49:41-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-02-24T11:49:41-05:00</updated>
        <summary>Howard Bashman has the details about the controversy among Second Circuit judges who ultimately denied a request from convicted lawyer Lynne Stewart that her unsuccessful appeal be heard en banc. Some of the potshots the judges take at their colleagues...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><a href="http://howappealing.law.com/022310.html#037157">Howard Bashman has the details</a> about the controversy among Second Circuit judges who ultimately denied a request from convicted lawyer Lynne Stewart that her unsuccessful appeal be heard en banc.  Some of the potshots the judges take at their colleagues are pretty good zingers. <a href="http://www.ca2.uscourts.gov/decisions/isysquery/866a206d-417e-40fd-b2a9-4d641f0ec270/1/doc/06-5015-cr_opn2.pdf#xml=http://www.ca2.uscourts.gov/decisions/isysquery/866a206d-417e-40fd-b2a9-4d641f0ec270/1/hilite/">Opinions here</a>.</div>
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        <title>Morgan on the lawyer's future role</title>
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        <published>2010-02-24T11:26:41-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-02-24T11:26:41-05:00</updated>
        <summary>Thanks to John Steele for posting Tom Morgan's new paper, based on a forthcoming book, titled The Last Days of the American Lawyer. It's a must-read for anyone who cares about the future of legal practice and legal education. (And...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>Thanks to John Steele for posting Tom Morgan's new <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1543301">paper</a>, based on a forthcoming book, titled <em>The Last Days of the American Lawyer.</em>  It's a must-read for anyone who cares about the future of legal practice and legal education. (And if you're not in that group, why are you visiting this blog?)  He writes:</p>
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<p>[T]he interaction of law with increasingly complex economic and social issues will make distinctively legal questions less common and make many of the skills that we stress in law schools less relevant.  Rather than needing professionals whose understanding of law dwarfs their understanding of the substantive issues faced by clients, the world will require legally-trained persons to be more fully integrated into the substantive challenges tomorrow's clients face.  That reality may require that more persons, not fewer, have some legal training, but the training of most people will almost certainly not be today's three year graduate program designed to produce an all-purpose legal generalist.</p></blockquote>
<p>As for professionalism?</p>
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<p>[W]hile many of the characteristics attributed to professionals -- integrity, loyalty, keeping confidences, and a commitment to serve the client effectively -- present highly praiseworthy traits to which any moral person should aspire, those characteristics are ultimately those of individuals, not groups.  It is individual lawyers -- and non-lawyers acting both alongside and in competition with lawyers -- that we hope will act in ways traditionally called "professional."</p></blockquote>
<p dir="ltr">I think throwing in the towel on professionalism as a meaningful concept that attaches to one's status as a lawyer -- rather than a set of attributes available for cultivation by any individual -- is likely to bring Morgan's vision of the future closer to reality by making lawyers less distinct from other service providers.  There is a role for trust here -- and trust beyond the contracted-for trust -- that must be a distinctive attribute of the lawyer-client relationship, and cautions against equating the practice of law with every other market-driven, globalized "business."  I'm working to develop that idea in a current project.  That said, read the paper!</p></div>
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        <title>Interesting Conversation with Students about Downloading and Other "Accepted" but Illegal Things</title>
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        <published>2010-02-24T11:17:07-05:00</published>
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        <summary>I just thought this was interesting and so will pass it along. In my Internet law course this morning, we were talking about downloading songs, movies, etc. The students, to a person, stopped downloading when they started law school because...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>I just thought this was interesting and so will pass it along. In my Internet law course this morning, we were talking about downloading songs, movies, etc.  The students, to a person, stopped downloading when they started law school because the consequences to them went up -- the risk of getting caught was still low in their view, but the practical consequences to the bar examination process made the costs outweigh the benefit.  They had made the same conclusions about speeding, driving after drinking, and other topics.  </p>
<p>Interestingly, when I asked whether it was because of a greater sense of morality or professionalism instilled into them by law school, they did not think so, attributing it instead to becoming more conservative (i.e., risk averse).</p>
<p>Anyhow, I thought it was an interesting discussion worth passing along for that reason alone.</p></div>
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        <title>odds and ends (February 23, 2010)</title>
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        <published>2010-02-23T10:41:04-05:00</published>
        <updated>2010-02-23T10:41:04-05:00</updated>
        <summary>The GOP continues to push the idea that there are improper conflicts within DOJ because lawyers who formerly represented Guantanamo detainees now represent the United States on related issues. But as far as I can tell, the DOJ was careful...</summary>
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