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		<title>Fronterion’s LPO Ethics Resource Center: Dangerously Incomplete</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 19:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Solomon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Earlier this week, Indian legal process outsourcing company Fronterion LLC launched the Legal Process Outsourcing Resource Center. The Resource Center Purports to be a &#8220;[c]omplete source for leading-edge content and online resources relating to the ethics of legal outsourcing.&#8221; It&#8217;s not.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earlier this week, Indian legal process outsourcing company <a href="http://fronterion.com" target=_blank>Fronterion LLC</a> launched the <a href="http://lpoethics.com/" target=_blank>Legal Process Outsourcing Resource Center</a>. The Resource Center Purports to be a &#8220;[c]omplete source for leading-edge content and online resources relating to the ethics of legal outsourcing.&#8221; It&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>The most significant area in which the Resource Center comes up short is in its collection of the <a href="http://lpoethics.com/united-states/ethical-issuances/state-and-local-jurisdictions/" target=_blank>&#8220;ethical issuances&#8221; (<i>i.e.</i>, &#8220;ethics opinions&#8221; in American English) of state and local bar associations</a>. The Resource Center lists only these six opinions:</p>
<ul>
<li>The Association of the Bar of the City of New York Commission on Professional &#038; Judicial Ethics, Formal Opinion 2006-3 (2006)
<li>Los Angeles County Bar Association, Opinion 518 (2006)
<li>North Carolina State Bar, Formal Ethics Opinion 12 (2007)
<li>San Diego County Bar Association, Legal Ethics Opinion 2007-1 (2007)
<li>Florida Bar, Opinion 07-2 (2008)
<li>The Supreme Court of Ohio, Opinion 2009-6 Issued August 14, 2009
</ul>
<p>I suppose Fronterion&#8217;s Indian lawyers did <i>some</i> original research to compile this list, since it does include two more opinions than are listed in the ABA Section of International Law Outsourcing Taskforce&#8217;s <a href="http://meetings.abanet.org/webupload/commupload/IC100123/relatedresources/OverviewofUSBarAssociationOpinionsonOffshoreOutsourcing.pdf" target=_blank>Overview of US Bar Association Opinions on Offshore Outsourcing</a>.</p>
<p>My book, <a href="http://legalresearchandwritingpro.com/products/#memberships" target=_blank>Contract Lawyering Success</a>, contains a truly comprehensive list of ethics opinions relevant to legal outsourcing. Actually, the upcoming second edition of the book reprints 29 of those opinions, and provides citations to four others, for which I was unable to obtain reprint permission. </p>
<p>In addition to the six opinions Fronterion identified, you can find these opinions in <a href="http://legalresearchandwritingpro.com/products/#memberships" target=_blank>Contract Lawyering Success</a>:</p>
<ul>
<li>ABA Formal Opinion 88-356, <em>Temporary Lawyers</em> (Dec. 16, 1988)
<li>ABA Formal Opinion 00-420, <em>Surcharge to Client for Use of a Contract Lawyer</em> (November 29, 2000)
<li>Alabama State Bar Office of the General Counsel Ethics Opinion RO-2007-03, <em>Temporary Lawyers</em>
<li>Alaska Bar Association Ethics Opinion No. 96-1, <em>Ethical Considerations when Billing Clients for Contract Attorney Legal Services</em>
<li>State Bar of California Standing Committee On Professional Responsibility and Conduct Formal Opinion 1992-126
<li>Ethics Committee of the Colorado Bar Association, Ethics Opinion 121, <em>Use of Temporary Lawyers and Other Professionals Not Admitted to Practice in Colorado</em> (May 17, 2008)
<li>Ethics Committee of the Colorado Bar Association, Ethics Opinion 105, <em>Opinion on Temporary Lawyers</em> (May 22, 1999)
<li>District of Columbia Court of Appeals Committee on the Unauthorized Practice of Law Opinion 16-05
<li>District of Columbia Bar Opinion 284, <em>Advising and Billing Clients for Temporary Lawyers</em>
<li>Florida Bar Ethics Committee Advisory Opinion 88-12 (August 1, 1988)
<li>Florida Bar Ethics Committee Consolidated Opinion 76-33 and 76-38 (March 15, 1977)
<li>State Bar of Georgia Formal Advisory Opinion No. 05-9
<li>Illinois State Bar Association Advisory Opinion No. 98-02, Disclosure to Client of Compensation Payable to Independent or Temporary Lawyer for Work on a Specific Case (September, 1997)
<li>New Hampshire Bar Association Ethics Committee Formal Opinion #1995-96/3, Temporary Lawyers &#8211; Temporary Lawyer Placement Agency (November 8, 1995)
<li>New York State Bar Association Committee on Professional Ethics Opinion 721 (September 27, 1999)
<li>New York State Bar Association Committee on Professional Ethics Opinion 715 (February 26, 1999)
<li>Ohio Bd. of Comm’rs on Grievances and Discipline Opinion 2009-6 (August 14, 2009)
<li>Ohio Bd. of Comm’rs on Grievances and Discipline Opinion 90-23 (December 14, 1990)
<li>South Carolina Bar Ethics Advisory Opinion 91-09 (1991)
<li>Supreme Court of Texas Professional Ethics Committee Opinion No. 577 (March 2007)
<li>Supreme Court of Texas Professional Ethics Committee Opinion 515 (July 1996)
<li>Committee on Professional Responsibility Association of the Bar of the City of New York, <em>Report on the Outsourcing of Legal Services Overseas</em> (August 2009)
<li>Committee on Professional and Judicial Ethics, The Association of the Bar of the City of New York Formal Opinion 1989-2 (May 10, 1989)
</ul>
<p>I was not able to obtain reprint permission for the following opinions:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.dcbar.org/for_lawyers/ethics/legal_ethics/opinions/opinion352.cfm" target=_blank>D.C. Bar Op. 352: Professional Responsibility Duties for Temporary Contract Lawyers and the Firms that Hire Them (February 2010)</a>
<li><a href="http://www.dcbar.org/for_lawyers/ethics/legal_ethics/opinions/opinion291.cfm" target=_blank>D.C. Bar Op. 291: Contracts With Temporary Lawyers: Restrictions on Subsequent Employment (June 15, 1999)</a>
<li>Md. State Bar Assoc. Ethics Comm. Op. 01-31: (1) Engagement of Contract Attorneys; (2) Referral Fees to Lawyer Referring Contract Attorney
<li>Md. State Bar Assoc. Ethics Comm. Op. 92-19: Billing for Outside Research Service
</ul>
<p>(Maryland State Bar Association ethics opinions are available online to members of the MSBA only.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that not all of the opinions listed above discuss foreign legal outsourcing, and not all even use the term &#8220;outsourcing.&#8221; Furthermore, some of the opinions listed above have been superseded by more recent ones (also listed above). </p>
<p>Nevertheless, Fronterion positions itself as prepared to &#8220;help you navigate the practical, ethical and regulatory implications of legal process outsourcing in a <em>domestic</em> and international context.&#8221; (Emphasis supplied). All of the opinions listed above are relevant to legal outsourcing, defined as the performance of substantive legal work by a lawyer who is not affiliated (as a partner, associate or of counsel) with the firm that a client has retained to represent it in a matter.</p>
<p>I thought long and hard before posting this list of opinions, which is the product of many hours of work from 2008 through the present. After all, I&#8217;ve basically done all of Fronterion&#8217;s work, haven&#8217;t I? But I know that, if I&#8217;m going to take on the big boys, I have to put the money where my mouth is.</p>
<p>The Resource Center&#8217;s <a href="http://lpoethics.com/united-states/resources/blogs/" target=_blank>list of blogs about outsourcing</a> is also woefully inadequate. Since Fronterion advises about foreign outsourcing, I can understand why three of the four blogs listed (including it&#8217;s CEO&#8217;s blog) focus on that subject (the fourth, the Legal Informatics Blog, covers a wide range of topics, and appears to have been included in the list primarily to point to a Fordham Law Review article entitled <em>Supply Chains and Porous Boundaries: The Disaggregation of Legal Services</em>). Nevertheless, If the Resource Center were the truly comprehensive resource it purports to be, it would have mentioned this blog as well as the <a href="http://naflp.org/piicm.asp?itemid=31&#038;categoryid=1&#038;submit=getcategory" target=_blank>blog published by the National Association of Freelance Legal Professionals</a>. (Since the <a href="http://legaloutsourcingjournal.wordpress.com/">Legal Outsourcing Journal</a> is fairly new, I&#8217;ll give Fronterion a pass on having missed that one.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve <a href="http://legalresearchandwritingpro.com/blog/2010/05/17/independent-u-s-contract-lawyer-takes-on-foreign-lpo-round-2/" target=_blank>previously pointed out</a> that even some foreign LPOs that claim to have U.S.-based lawyers performing quality control aren&#8217;t familiar with all of the ethics opinions upon which the viability of their business model rests. Still, I would expect better from Fronterion, which  describes itself as &#8220;the pre-eminent legal outsourcing advisor.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Independent U.S. Contract Lawyer Takes On Foreign LPO: Round 2</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 13:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Solomon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last fall, I wrote about the risks that lawyers take when they outsource work to foreign legal process outsourcing companies. The primary risk I focused on wasn&#8217;t the possibility that the foreign provider might violate confidentiality or conflict of interest rules: it was the risk that the LPO company would produce substandard work. 
My last [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last fall, I wrote about <a href="http://legalresearchandwritingpro.com/blog/2009/10/30/independent-us-contract-lawyer-takes-on-foreign-lpo/" target=_blank>the risks that lawyers take when they outsource work to foreign legal process outsourcing companies</a>. The primary risk I focused on wasn&#8217;t the possibility that the foreign provider might violate confidentiality or conflict of interest rules: it was the risk that the LPO company would produce substandard work. </p>
<p>My last post on this subject was prompted, in part, by the abysmally poor grammar used in a particular LPO company&#8217;s marketing piece. As I explained in comments to that post, I think the quality of a company&#8217;s marketing materials is a good predictor of the quality of its work product. Last Friday, another marketing piece, by another foreign LPO company, brought this issue to the forefront once again:</p>
<p>
<center><br />
<a href="http://twitter.com/legaloutsourcer/status/13987779690" target=_blank><img src="http://legalresearchandwritingpro.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/legaloutsourcer_tweet001.jpg" alt="foreign LPO Legal Outsourcing Handbook" /></a><br />
</center><br />
&nbsp;</p>
<p>
This tweet promoted <a href="http://www.legaleasesolutions.com/LegalEase%27s%20Legal%20Outsourcing%20Handbook.pdf" target=_blank>The Legal Outsourcing Handbook</a> from LegalEase Solutions. Ever curious, I downloaded the Handbook and started to read.</p>
<p>I was immediately struck by the &#8220;quality&#8221; of the writing. From the first paragraph (and, as I was to find out) to the last, the Handbook is rife with grammatical and usage errors; a few typos are thrown in for good measure. These errors alone would be sufficient to disqualify LegalEase from consideration by any sole practitioner or small firm looking to outsource: the last thing that a busy solo or small firm lawyer wants to deal with when outsourcing substantive legal work is having to practically rewrite a brief to get it signature-ready. But more serious still are the Handbook&#8217;s substantive errors.</p>
<p>The Handbook describes <a href="http://www.abanet.org/cpr/docs/08451.pdf" target=_blank>ABA Formal Op. 08-451</a> (<a href="http://legalresearchandwritingpro.com/blog/2008/08/28/aba-formal-op-08-451-good-news-for-us-based-independent-contract-lawyers/" target=_blank><em>Lawyer’s Obligations When Outsourcing Legal and Nonlegal Support Services</em></a>) as &#8220;the first opinion issued by the ABA regarding legal outsourcing.&#8221; However, while Op. 08-451 is the first ABA ethics opinion that discusses offshore legal outsourcing, it isn&#8217;t the ABA&#8217;s first opinion concerning outsourcing.</p>
<p>In fact, Op. 08-451 itself discusses the ABA&#8217;s two earlier opinions concerning outsourcing: Formal Op. 00-420 (<em>Surcharge to Client for Use of a Contract Lawyer</em>) and Formal Op. 88-356 (<em>Temporary Lawyers</em> [the ABA acknowledges in Op. 08-451 that engaging the services of a temporary lawyer is "a form of outsourcing"]). Although the ABA&#8217;s ethics opinions are not binding in any state, they are widely cited in relevant opinions issued by state ethics authorities and some influential local bar associations (such as the New York City Bar Association). One would expect an LPO company like LegalEase to have a better understanding of these opinions, upon which the very viability of its business model rests.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s more. As every 1L knows, if you&#8217;re going to cite a case or statute in a brief, it&#8217;s important to make sure that the case or statute is still good law. In its discussion of its conflict checking systems, LegalEase quotes N.Y. Code of Professional Responsibility DR 5-105(e) (actually, it mis-cites the section as &#8220;DR 5 &#8211; 105(E), New York Lawyers Code of Ethical Responsibility&#8221;). <a href="http://www.courts.state.ny.us/rules/jointappellate/NY%20Rules%20of%20Prof%20Conduct_09.pdf" target=_blank>New York abandoned the Code in favor of a modified version of the Model Rules 13 months ago</a>. </p>
<p>When I tweeted about my initial response to the Handbook a few days ago, Russell Smith, the Chairman and President of <a href="http://www.sddglobal.com/" target=_blank>the self-described &#8220;high-end&#8221; LPO company SDD Global Solutions Pvt. Ltd</a>. quickly came to the defense of the foreign LPO industry:</p>
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<center><br />
<a href="http://twitter.com/rsmith8/statuses/14026311306" target=_blank><img src="http://legalresearchandwritingpro.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/legaloutsourcer_tweet2001.jpg" alt="" /></a><br />
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<p>
With friends like this, the foreign LPO industry hardly needs enemies, does it? After all, wouldn&#8217;t it be fair to assume that LegalEase&#8212;which uses onshore (<em>i.e.</em>, U.S.-based) lawyers to &#8220;manage and oversee every project, while the offshore staff performs the bulk of the work&#8221;&#8212;is also a &#8220;high-end&#8221; LPO company?</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re intent on squeezing every last penny of profit out of the outsourcing equation, you may be willing to spend the time to re-write poorly-written briefs, or to submit lightly-edited versions of those same briefs to the courts, in the hope that the judges before whom you practice aren&#8217;t sticklers for good writing. But are you willing to re-do the research, too, or run the risk that the brief you submit overlooks significant cases or statutes. or cites bad law? At what point does the extra work you have to do, or the extra risk you have to take, as a result of sending legal work offshore outweigh the benefit you obtain by maximizing the spread between what you pay to outsource the work and what you bill your client for that work? </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no question that you&#8217;ll most likely make less profit if you work with a freelance lawyer who lives, is admitted to practice in, and works in the United States than if you hire a foreign LPO company. But there&#8217;s more to outsourcing than dollars and cents: foreign LPOs may offer a better price, but onshore freelance lawyers offer solos and small firms better value.</p>
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		<title>NAFLP and LRWP to ABA: Outsourcing Study Must Include Solos/Smalls and Freelance Lawyers</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 13:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Solomon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As part of the its sweeping review of &#8220;the ABA Model Rules of Professional Conduct and the U.S. system of lawyer regulation in the context of advances in technology and global legal practice developments,&#8221; the ABA&#8217;s Ethics 20/20 Commission has solicited comments about domestic and international legal process outsourcing. To help facilitate the information-gathering process, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As part of the its sweeping review of &#8220;the ABA Model Rules of Professional Conduct and the U.S. system of lawyer regulation in the context of advances in technology and global legal practice developments,&#8221; the ABA&#8217;s Ethics 20/20 Commission has <a href="http://www.abanet.org/ethics2020/home.html" target=_blank>solicited comments about domestic and international legal process outsourcing</a>. To help facilitate the information-gathering process, the Commission <a href=" http://www.abanet.org/ethics2020/comments.pdf" target=_blank>posed specific questions to lawyers and firms; clients; and outsourcing providers</a> and invited general comments.</p>
<p>This, of course, was an invitation I couldn&#8217;t resist. Along with Melody Kramer and Amanda Mineer of the <a href="http://naflp.org" target=_blank>National Association of Freelance Legal Professionals</a>, I submitted the following comment urging the Commission to take into account the impact that its study will have on both the solos and small firms that outsource legal work and the U.S.-based freelance lawyers who serve them:</p>
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<p>Please share your views on this subject in the comments below. And, if you&#8217;re reading this on Friday, May 7, you still have a chance to <a href="http://www.abanet.org/ethics2020/home.html" target=_blank>share them with the ABA</a>, too.</p>
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		<title>Hollywood Reporter Story Inaccurately Implies that Sacha Baron Cohen Won Defamation Appeal by Working Directly With Indian LPO</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 23:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Solomon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[THR, Esq., The Hollywood Reporter&#8217;s legal blog (&#8220;the intersection of hollywood [sic] and law&#8221;) reported today on Sacha Baron Cohen&#8217;s appellate victory in a defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress action brought by a former girlfriend. Ordinarily, I wouldn&#8217;t pay much attention to a story like that (though I adored Cohen in Talledega Nights: [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THR, Esq., The Hollywood Reporter&#8217;s legal blog (&#8220;the intersection of hollywood [<em>sic</em>] and law&#8221;) reported today on <a href="http://thresq.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/04/ali-g-exgirlfriend-appeals-court.html" target=_blank>Sacha Baron Cohen&#8217;s appellate victory in a defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress action brought by a former girlfriend</a>. Ordinarily, I wouldn&#8217;t pay much attention to a story like that (though I adored Cohen in <em>Talledega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby</em>). However, THR, Esq. put an unusual spin on the story:</p>
<blockquote><p>
What&#8217;s funnier than Sacha Baron Cohen poking fun at the U.S. Constitution by comparing it to the way his ex-girlfriend was always &#8220;trying to amend herself&#8221; with tattoos?</p>
<p>How about when Cohen&#8217;s ex-girlfriend sues the comedian and &#8220;Da Ali G Show&#8221; distributor Channel Four Television for defamation and infliction of emotional distress?</p>
<p>Or maybe Channel Four relying on a team of outsourced lawyers from India rather than U.S. attorneys?</p>
<p>Those Indian lawyers have found success in the case, first at a California District Court and then on Tuesday at the California Court of Appeal. The decision is being hailed as the first appellate ruling of its kind — a victory for the free speech rights of comedians who wish to make fun of ex-girlfriends in the midst of calling Gore Vidal a world-famous hairstylist and questioning whether Denzel Washington lives in George Washington&#8217;s former Mount Vernon home.</p>
<p>What won&#8217;t be funny is the look on the faces of American lawyers as studios decide to give more legal work to lawyers from India.</p></blockquote>
<p>“Or maybe Channel Four relying on a team of outsourced lawyers from India rather than U.S. attorneys?”</p>
<p>This question misleadingly implies that Channel Four was represented directly by lawyers who are admitted to practice only in, and/or live in, India. This is not the case.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.sddglobal.com/1News_AppellateVictory.htm" target=_blank>decision</a> reveals that Channel Four was represented by <a href="http://www.sddlaw.com/bio_smith.html">Russell Smith of SmithDehn LLP</a> and <a href="http://www.tfmlaw.com/monroe.htm" target=_blank>Theodore F. Monroe of the Law Offices of Theodore F. Monroe</a>&#8212;both American lawyers. SmithDehn LLP operates <a href="http://www.sddglobal.com/" target=_blank>SDD Global Solutions Pvt, Ltd.</a>, a legal process outsourcing (LPO) company.</p>
<p>While I’m not personally familiar with either SmithDehn or SDD Global Solutions, I have no doubt that they comply with the ethical restrictions governing legal outsourcing (whether domestic or foreign). Most importantly, as I explained in <a href="http://legalresearchandwritingpro.com/blog/2008/08/28/aba-formal-op-08-451-good-news-for-us-based-independent-contract-lawyers/">my analysis of ABA Formal Op. 08-451</a>, the outsourcing lawyer remains responsible for rendering legal services to the client with the legal knowledge, skill, thoroughness and preparation reasonably necessary for the representation. Moreover, the outsourcing lawyer must make reasonable efforts to ensure that the outsourced lawyer (also known in the legal industry as a “contract lawyer”) conforms to the Rules of Professional Conduct. This is no different from the responsibility of a lawyer supervising the work of another attorney who is employed by the supervising lawyer’s firm.</p>
<p>Additionally, American lawyers who are outsourcing work to lawyers in a foreign country must investigate whether the system of legal education under which the lawyers were trained is comparable to that in the United States; whether the foreign lawyers are subject to a professional regulatory system that inculcates core values similar to those in the United States; the “legal landscape” of the nation to which the services are being outsourced (and, specifically, whether personal property, including documents, may be susceptible to seizure in judicial or administrative proceedings notwithstanding claims of client confidentiality); and whether the judicial system of the target country will provide prompt and effective remedies to avert prejudice to the client in the event of a dispute between the service provider and the outsourcing lawyer.</p>
<p>Ethics opinions in New York (where SmithDehn’s U.S. office is located) and California (where the Law Offices of Theodore F. Monroe is located) are consistent with Op. 08-451.</p>
<p>As an independent U.S.-based contract lawyer, I’m not thrilled that some U.S. legal work is being sent offshore. Nevertheless, I recognize that the same principles that allow firms to send legal work overseas also allow law students and law graduates awaiting admission to do actual legal work when they’re working at firms, rather than making copies and getting coffee for the partners. These principles also allow U.S. lawyers to work as contract attorneys in jurisdictions in which they are not admitted.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s up to U.S.-based contract lawyers to let studios&#8212;and all businesses looking to cut their litigation costs&#8212;know that they can achieve cost savings by working with firms that outsource to contract lawyers in the U.S., rather than sending the work offshore. Moreover, any company with in-house counsel qualified to supervise litigation and willing to appear on the company&#8217;s behalf as counsel of record can outsource directly to contract lawyers. There is a growing cadre of independent U.S.-based contract attorneys&#8212;some who work as solo practitioners, others who work for American companies that provide legal services (including research and writing) to other lawyers&#8212;to choose from.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Solomon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[im·mod·est -adj 1. shameless . . . . -synonyms 2. inflated
Legal bloggers have generally given WestlawNext&#8217;s improved search algorithm and user interface high marks. However, they&#8217;ve been critical of West&#8217;s lack of transparency about pricing and the complexity of its pricing model. To help level the playing field in negotiations between West and its customers, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/immodest" target=_blank>im·mod·est</a> <em>-adj</em> 1. shameless . . . . <em>-synonyms</em> 2. inflated</strong></p>
<p>Legal bloggers have generally given WestlawNext&#8217;s improved search algorithm and user interface high marks. However, they&#8217;ve been critical of <a href="http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/law_librarian_blog/2010/03/westlawnext-pricing.html" target=_blank>West&#8217;s lack of transparency about pricing and the complexity of its pricing model</a>. To help level the playing field in negotiations between West and its customers, I&#8217;ve shared the progress of my upgrade negotiations in a series of posts over the past two months (<a href="&#8212;http://legalresearchandwritingpro.com/blog/2010/01/27/westlawnext-preview-product-and-pricing/" target=_blank>WestlawNext Preview: Product and Pricing</a> <a href="http://legalresearchandwritingpro.com/blog/2010/02/10/my-westlawnext-upgrade-negotiations-proof-that-west-isnt-interested-in-the-solo-market/" target=_blank>My WestlawNext Upgrade Negotiations: Proof that West Isn’t Interested in the Solo Market</a>, <a href="http://legalresearchandwritingpro.com/blog/2010/02/25/westlawnext-pricing-information-and-reaction-from-firm-law-librarians/" target=_blank>WestlawNext Pricing Information and Reaction from Firm Law Librarians</a> and <a href="http://legalresearchandwritingpro.com/blog/2010/03/18/westlaw-reps-dont-know-their-asses-from-their-elbows-when-it-comes-to-westlawnext-packages-and-pricing/" target=_blank>Westlaw Reps Don’t Know their A$$es From their Elbows When it Comes to WestlawNext Packages and Pricing</a>). Until today, though, I didn&#8217;t know what the bottom line would be. </p>
<p><strong>The Bottom Line Analysis</strong></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what my Westlaw plan looked like as of early February (this month, a scheduled price increase brought the total cost up to $514):</p>

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	<tr class="row-4">
		<th class="column-1">Total</th><th class="column-2">$489.84</th>
	</tr>
</tfoot>
<tbody>
	<tr class="row-1">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://west.thomson.com/productdetail/127422/40307725/productdetail.aspx" target=_blank>All Cases &amp; Statutes NY Gold w/Regs Plus</a></td><td class="column-2">$301.88</td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-2">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://west.thomson.com/productdetail/11809/30310837/productdetail.aspx" target=_blank>Law Reviews &amp; Journals</a></td><td class="column-2">$ 54.61</td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-3">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://thomsonreuters.com/products_services/legal/legal_products/393832/ResultsPlus_on_Westlaw" target=_blank>Results Plus</a></td><td class="column-2">$133.35</td>
	</tr>
</tbody>
</table>

<p>Here is the pricing breakdown for three proposals my Westlaw rep set to me on February 8 (all monthly prices have been adjusted to reflect the 45% discount I would get for being willing to sign a new 3-year contract at this time):</p>

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	<tr class="row-1">
		<th class="column-1"></th><th class="column-2">Proposal #1</th><th class="column-3">Proposal #2</th><th class="column-4">Proposal #3</th>
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	<tr class="row-7">
		<th class="column-1">Total</th><th class="column-2">$567.05</th><th class="column-3">$777.15</th><th class="column-4">$560.45</th>
	</tr>
</tfoot>
<tbody>
	<tr class="row-2">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://west.thomson.com/productdetail/127422/40307725/productdetail.aspx" target=_blank>All Cases &amp; Statutes NY Gold w/Regs Plus</a></td><td class="column-2">$357.50</td><td class="column-3">$357.50</td><td class="column-4"></td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-3">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://www.jdsupra.com/post/documentViewer.aspx?fid=db6d680a-42d6-4331-9e4a-4f5c1e28ae52" target=_blank>All Analytical Library</a></td><td class="column-2">$209.55</td><td class="column-3"></td><td class="column-4">$209.55</td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-4">
		<td class="column-1">National Secondary Sources - Premium</td><td class="column-2"></td><td class="column-3">$419.65</td><td class="column-4"></td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-5">
		<td class="column-1">All Cases &amp; Statutes</td><td class="column-2"></td><td class="column-3"></td><td class="column-4">$235.95</td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-6">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://www.jdsupra.com/post/documentViewer.aspx?fid=94cf42a9-b4b7-4c27-b4f1-2f961b321f05" target=_blank>NY Analytical</a></td><td class="column-2"></td><td class="column-3"></td><td class="column-4">$114.95</td>
	</tr>
</tbody>
</table>

<p>The above proposals don&#8217;t include ResultsPlus because West is not offering ResultsPlus in WestlawNext. Furthermore, while the All Analytical and National Secondary Sources &#8211; Premium databases contain some useful secondary sources, the vast majority of sources included in ResultsPlus are not included in either All Analytical or National Secondary Sources &#8211; Premium.</p>
<p>Comparing my current plan to the WestlawNext proposals revealed that West would be charging an 11% premium for the power to search with the WestlawNext algorithm in the same database (All Cases &#038; Statutes NY Gold with Regs Plus Database). While I believe that West shouldn&#8217;t charge its current subscribers <em>anything</em> to &#8220;upgrade&#8221; to WestlawNext, an 11% increase is in line with the pre-launch prediction offered by <a href="http://www.jasnwilsn.com/2010/01/28/westlawnext-review-ending-the-tyranny-of-the-keyword/" target=_blank>Jason Eiseman, Tom Boone, Greg Lambert and Jason Wilson</a>.</p>
<p>On February 11, my rep&#8217;s sales manager told me that my rep had &#8220;failed to mention&#8221; that the pricing in the preceding chart was &#8220;introductory pricing&#8221; that was valid only until February 28th. So I asked the obvious question: what would the prices for each plan component be as of March 1?</p>
<p>It took more than a month (and quite a few strongly-worded e-mails to both my sales rep and his manager) to get a straight answer to my question. But now that I know, I can&#8217;t really blame my rep and his manager for hemming and hawing. Here are the current proposals (again, monthly prices have been adjusted to reflect the 45% 3-year contract discount):</p>
<p>
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<thead>
	<tr class="row-1">
		<th class="column-1"></th><th class="column-2">Proposal #1</th><th class="column-3">Proposal #2</th><th class="column-4">Proposal #3</th>
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	<tr class="row-7">
		<th class="column-1">Total</th><th class="column-2">$804.18</th><th class="column-3">$1,102.14</th><th class="column-4">$758.56</th>
	</tr>
</tfoot>
<tbody>
	<tr class="row-2">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://west.thomson.com/productdetail/127422/40307725/productdetail.aspx" target=_blank>All Cases &amp; Statutes NY Gold w/Regs Plus</a></td><td class="column-2">$507.00</td><td class="column-3">$507.00</td><td class="column-4"></td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-3">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://www.jdsupra.com/post/documentViewer.aspx?fid=db6d680a-42d6-4331-9e4a-4f5c1e28ae52" target=_blank>All Analytical Library</a></td><td class="column-2">$297.18</td><td class="column-3"></td><td class="column-4">$297.58*</td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-4">
		<td class="column-1">National Secondary Sources - Premium</td><td class="column-2"></td><td class="column-3">$595.14</td><td class="column-4"></td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-5">
		<td class="column-1">All Cases &amp; Statutes</td><td class="column-2"></td><td class="column-3"></td><td class="column-4">$334.62</td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-6">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://www.jdsupra.com/post/documentViewer.aspx?fid=94cf42a9-b4b7-4c27-b4f1-2f961b321f05" target=_blank>NY Analytical</a></td><td class="column-2"></td><td class="column-3"></td><td class="column-4">$126.36</td>
	</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
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<font size="-2">*As in original</font></p>
<p>Yes, that&#8217;s right: West believes that the WestlawNext algorithm is so valuable that its customers will be willing to pay a <font color="red"><strong>68%</strong></font> premium to use it. While I think <a href="http://webworkerdaily.com/2010/02/19/wwd-reader-profile-lisa-solomon-lawyer/" target=_blank>it generally pays to be an early adopter</a>, this is one price I&#8217;m not willing to pay. Are you?</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Solomon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although I haven&#8217;t posted about my WestlawNext upgrade negotiations in a few weeks, things have been going on behind the scenes. Or, perhaps more accurately, they haven&#8217;t.
The Background
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I haven&#8217;t posted about my WestlawNext upgrade negotiations in a few weeks, things have been going on behind the scenes. Or, perhaps more accurately, they haven&#8217;t.</p>
<p><strong>The Background</strong></p>
<p>Before you read further, if you&#8217;re not familiar with my previous posts about WestlawNext pricing&#8212;<a href="http://legalresearchandwritingpro.com/blog/2010/02/10/my-westlawnext-upgrade-negotiations-proof-that-west-isnt-interested-in-the-solo-market/" target=_blank>My WestlawNext Upgrade Negotiations: Proof that West Isn’t Interested in the Solo Market</a> and <a href="http://legalresearchandwritingpro.com/blog/2010/02/25/westlawnext-pricing-information-and-reaction-from-firm-law-librarians/" target=_blank>WestlawNext Pricing Information and Reaction from Firm Law Librarians</a>&#8212;I encourage you to read them now. In case you don&#8217;t have time, here&#8217;s the abridged version:</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what my Westlaw plan looked like as of early February (this month, a scheduled price increase brought the total cost up to $514):</p>

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	<tr class="row-4">
		<th class="column-1">Total</th><th class="column-2">$489.84</th>
	</tr>
</tfoot>
<tbody>
	<tr class="row-1">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://west.thomson.com/productdetail/127422/40307725/productdetail.aspx" target=_blank>All Cases &amp; Statutes NY Gold w/Regs Plus</a></td><td class="column-2">$301.88</td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-2">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://west.thomson.com/productdetail/11809/30310837/productdetail.aspx" target=_blank>Law Reviews &amp; Journals</a></td><td class="column-2">$ 54.61</td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-3">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://thomsonreuters.com/products_services/legal/legal_products/393832/ResultsPlus_on_Westlaw" target=_blank>Results Plus</a></td><td class="column-2">$133.35</td>
	</tr>
</tbody>
</table>

<p>Here is the pricing breakdown for three proposals my Westlaw rep set to me on February 8 (all monthly prices have been adjusted to reflect the 45% discount I would get for being willing to sign a new 3-year contract at this time):</p>

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		<th class="column-1"></th><th class="column-2">Proposal #1</th><th class="column-3">Proposal #2</th><th class="column-4">Proposal #3</th>
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</thead>
<tfoot>
	<tr class="row-7">
		<th class="column-1">Total</th><th class="column-2">$567.05</th><th class="column-3">$777.15</th><th class="column-4">$560.45</th>
	</tr>
</tfoot>
<tbody>
	<tr class="row-2">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://west.thomson.com/productdetail/127422/40307725/productdetail.aspx" target=_blank>All Cases &amp; Statutes NY Gold w/Regs Plus</a></td><td class="column-2">$357.50</td><td class="column-3">$357.50</td><td class="column-4"></td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-3">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://www.jdsupra.com/post/documentViewer.aspx?fid=db6d680a-42d6-4331-9e4a-4f5c1e28ae52" target=_blank>All Analytical Library</a></td><td class="column-2">$209.55</td><td class="column-3"></td><td class="column-4">$209.55</td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-4">
		<td class="column-1">National Secondary Sources - Premium</td><td class="column-2"></td><td class="column-3">$419.65</td><td class="column-4"></td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-5">
		<td class="column-1">All Cases &amp; Statutes</td><td class="column-2"></td><td class="column-3"></td><td class="column-4">$235.95</td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-6">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://www.jdsupra.com/post/documentViewer.aspx?fid=94cf42a9-b4b7-4c27-b4f1-2f961b321f05" target=_blank>NY Analytical</a></td><td class="column-2"></td><td class="column-3"></td><td class="column-4">$114.95</td>
	</tr>
</tbody>
</table>

<p>After some back-and-forth discussion with my sales rep, I moved up the Thomson Reuters food chain to my sales rep&#8217;s manager. On February 11, the sales manager discovered that my rep had &#8220;failed to mention&#8221; that the pricing in the preceding chart was &#8220;introductory pricing&#8221; that was valid only until February 28th. He also asked me to keep the negotiations confidential. On February 13, I asked the sales manager what the prices would be as of March 1. On February 22, the sales manager told me that the post-February 28 prices for all of the WestlawNext plan components included in the second chart above had not yet been released.</p>
<p><strong>The Update</strong></p>
<p>As soon as March 1 rolled around, I once again asked for the pricing for all of the WestlawNext plan components included in the second chart above. On March 5, my sales rep responded with prices that were not broken down by plan component. </p>
<p>I responded with an e-mail reminding him that I had requested the pricing for all of the WestlawNext plan components included in the second chart above. And I waited. And I waited. </p>
<p>Last week, I spoke to him on the phone and requested the same information. And I waited. And I waited.</p>
<p>On Monday, I e-mailed the sales manager, asking for the same information. The good news is that I got a quick response. The bad news is, here&#8217;s the response I got:</p>
<blockquote><p>We can’t break out pricing by component. Pricing is derived based on the totality of the package and those prices are provided to you below [i.e., in my rep's previous e-mail].</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, really? I shot back:</p>
<blockquote><p>With all due respect, [my rep] previously broke out the pricing by component. Therefore, I know you can do it.</p></blockquote>
<p>When I sat down to draft this post Monday night, realized that my sale&#8217;s rep&#8217;s March 5 e-mail gave a price for a package (which I&#8217;ll call 3b) that wasn&#8217;t included in the first round of proposals. </p>

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<thead>
	<tr class="row-1">
		<th class="column-1"></th><th class="column-2">Proposal #1</th><th class="column-3">Proposal #2</th><th class="column-4">Proposal #3b</th>
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</thead>
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	<tr class="row-9">
		<th class="column-1">Total</th><th class="column-2">$1,102.44</th><th class="column-3">$909.48</th><th class="column-4">$804.18</th>
	</tr>
</tfoot>
<tbody>
	<tr class="row-2">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://west.thomson.com/productdetail/127422/40307725/productdetail.aspx" target=_blank>All Cases &amp; Statutes NY Gold w/Regs Plus</a></td><td class="column-2">$694.35</td><td class="column-3">$418.36</td><td class="column-4">Yes</td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-3">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://www.jdsupra.com/post/documentViewer.aspx?fid=db6d680a-42d6-4331-9e4a-4f5c1e28ae52" target=_blank>All Analytical Library</a></td><td class="column-2">$408.09</td><td class="column-3"></td><td class="column-4"></td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-4">
		<td class="column-1">National Secondary Sources - Premium</td><td class="column-2"></td><td class="column-3">$491.12</td><td class="column-4"></td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-5">
		<td class="column-1">All Cases &amp; Statutes</td><td class="column-2"></td><td class="column-3"></td><td class="column-4"></td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-6">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://www.jdsupra.com/post/documentViewer.aspx?fid=94cf42a9-b4b7-4c27-b4f1-2f961b321f05" target=_blank>NY Analytical</a></td><td class="column-2"></td><td class="column-3"></td><td class="column-4"></td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-7">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://west.thomson.com/productdetail/11809/30310837/productdetail.aspx" target=_blank>Law Reviews &amp; Journals</a></td><td class="column-2"></td><td class="column-3"></td><td class="column-4">Yes</td>
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	<tr class="row-8">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://thomsonreuters.com/products_services/legal/legal_products/393832/ResultsPlus_on_Westlaw" target=_blank>Results Plus</a></td><td class="column-2"></td><td class="column-3"></td><td class="column-4">Yes</td>
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<p>As mentioned above, West refused to provide updated prices for plan components in the updated packages; I calculated the figures in the chart above using the ratio of the prices of the plan components as stated in the first round of proposals to the total plan prices in that round. Additionally, to facilitate comparison and analysis, in this post, I changed the numbering of the packages from the numbering my rep used in his second round of proposals&#8212;which doesn&#8217;t correspond to the numbering used in the first round of proposals.</p>
<p>As I explained to the sales manager:</p>
<blockquote><p>There are a number of discrepancies between the content included in the three Proposals included in [my rep's] February 8 e-mail to me and the content included in [his] March 5 e-mail to me . . . .</p>
<p><center>* * *</center></p>
<p> . . . [B]ased on my conversations and correspondence with [my rep], it was my understanding that WestlawNext would not include either Results Plus or Law Reviews &#038; Journals as separately available plans. Please clarify whether: (1) West has changed its mind, and has decided to offer Results Plus and Law Reviews &#038; Journals in WestlawNext; or (2) [my rep] mistakenly included these items in Package [3b] in his March 5 e-mail.</p>
<p>Third, the disparity in prices between Packages [1] and [2] ([in the] March 5) e-mail doesn&#8217;t make sense. [My rep] previously explained to me that National Secondary Sources&#8212;Premium includes more content than the All Analytical Library. That is backed up by the fact that, in his February 8 proposals, All Analytical was priced at $209.55 while National Secondary Sources&#8212;Premium was priced at $419.65. Yet, in the current crop of &#8220;Packages,&#8221; the package that includes National Secondary Sources&#8212;Premium (Package #[2]) is more expensive than the one that includes All Analytical (Package #[1]) (the two packages are otherwise identical).</p>
<p>Finally, as mentioned in my previous e-mail, are the &#8220;package&#8221; prices quoted in [my rep's] March 5 e-mail the prices before application of the 45% 3-year contract discount or after application of that discount?</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s the sales manager&#8217;s response:</p>
<blockquote><p>You are correct that there were some discrepancies in pricing and content in the multiple communications we’ve had.  I apologize for these discrepancies, which were errors on our part. I’m sorry for the confusion. </p>
<p>It appears that the loss of ResultsPlus is the biggest issue for you. ResultsPlus is not available on WestlawNext and there is  not an exact equivalent product or functionality. If ResultsPlus is a significant factor in your research process today and if the proposed alternative content in combination with the overall WestlawNext benefits are not a good alternative, I would suggest that you keep your current Westlaw plan.  </p>
<p>I realize that you asked for more detail on the discrepancies you noted, but e-mail communication does not lend itself to a consultative and efficient conversation about your preferences, and frankly hasn’t worked out well for you so far. I believe an in-person conversation would provide a better forum to address pricing details and how the benefits of WestlawNext can provide you with a superior research experience.  </p>
<p>If you have an interest in WestlawNext in the future, please feel free to call me directly.
</p></blockquote>
<p>And my reply:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Are you refusing to discuss this via e-mail? All I asked for in early March were updated prices for the proposals that [my rep] presented me with in early February. Results Plus is in this discussion because (as you now concede) [my rep] mistakenly included pricing for it in his March 5 e-mail to me.</p>
<p>I am fully familiar with the benefits of WestlawNext. I have neither the time nor the desire to meet face-to-face with you or [my rep]. (Don&#8217;t worry about losing a sale because of my refusal to meet with you in person: I&#8217;ve signed two three-year contracts without meeting with a Westlaw rep in person.)</p>
<p>The complexity of West&#8217;s pricing structure, combined with the fact that the reps clearly are not familiar with what is being offered (as demonstrated by the facts that (1) [my rep] &#8220;forgot&#8221; to mention that the pricing in his February 8 e-mail expired on February 28; and (2) more than a month after WestlawNext launched, [my rep] quoted me prices for plan components that don&#8217;t even exist in WestlawNext) make it necessary to conduct all negotiations in writing.</p>
<p>Furthermore, you have not responded to [my] questions [concerning application of the 45% 3-year contract discount and the disparity in prices between packages 1 and 2].</p>
<p>If you refuse to communicate further with me by e-mail concerning this matter, I request that you put me in touch with your supervisor.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>The Questions</strong></p>
<p>Do you think my experience is an accurate reflection of how West is handling its WestlawNext negotiations? Is my rep unusually incompetent? Or is West punishing me for being outspoken about their pricing strategy?</p>
<p>And why hasn&#8217;t the &#8220;traditional&#8221; legal press (<em>i.e.</em>, publications like the ABA Journal or the National Law Journal) written anything about WestlawNext pricing? Could West&#8217;s substantial advertising spend (and, in the ABA&#8217;s case, sponsorship dollars) have anything to do with it?</p>
<p><strong>Update 3/18/10, 10:15 p.m.:</strong></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the latest round of e-mails. First, the sales manager to me:</p>
<blockquote><p>
To verify, Results Plus is not part of WestlawNext and not an option.</p>
<p>I will try to explain the differences between package [1] &#038; [2], but without doing a full needs assessment, it is difficult to recommend the rate package for your needs. This is why a phone call is recommended.  </p>
<p>Package [1] does contain different information than Package [2].  You would have access to Regulations Plus which is our annotated CFR; State Jury Instructions and Key Rules. This option has always been the most expensive.  </p>
<p>Package 3 takes out those databases.</p>
<p>The All Analytical is less expensive but it does not have State Jury Instructions, Key Rules nor CJS.  </p>
<p>The package prices are the final prices. No other discounts would apply.</p>
<p>I hope this answers your questions.</p></blockquote>
<p>My response:</p>
<blockquote><p>First, [my rep] did a needs assessment before providing me with proposals on February 8: I explained my goals to him and he reviewed my usage. If you don&#8217;t understand my needs, you should speak to [my rep].</p>
<p>Second, your statement that Package [2] omits three items that are in package [1] is incorrect. The following is copied directly from [my rep's] March 5 e-mail (I have added the red highlighting).</p>
<p>Package #[1]:<br />
All Cases &#038; Statutes NY Gold <font color="red">w/Regs Plus</font><br />
All Analytical Library<br />
Price: $1102.14/month</p>
<p>Package #[2]:<br />
All Cases &#038; Statutes NY Gold <font color="red">w/Regs Plus</font><br />
National Secondary Sources&#8212;Premium<br />
Price: $909.48/month</p>
<p>Both packages include annotated regulations. Are you telling me that the only difference between All Analytical and National Secondary Sources &#8211; Premium is that the latter also includes State Jury Instructions and Key Rules? If so, that is inconsistent with [my rep's] February 9 e-mail to me, in which he stated: &#8220;Re: The difference between All Analytical and National Secondary Sources, premium, is primarily the restatements and CJS. I haven’t cross checked all the databases (the list is too long), but those are the major titles.&#8221;</p>
<p>Third, the proposal in the February 8 e-mail containing All Analytical was less expensive than the package containing National Secondary Sources&#8212;Premium ($567.05 v. $777.15). As you can see from the above, with the new packages, the one containing All Analytical is now more expensive than the one containing National Secondary Sources&#8212;Premium. That (and not the fact that the two plans aren&#8217;t the same price) is what doesn&#8217;t make sense.</p>
<p>Fourth, you still have not addressed my request for a breakdown of the prices into plan components.</p>
<p>Your inability to get your facts correct and your refusal to respond to a simple request for a detailed breakdown of the package pricing (despite the fact that [my rep] previously provided me with precisely that information in connection with the original proposals) is wasting my time. Please advise me of the name of your supervisor.</p></blockquote>
<p>Unfortunately, the <a href="http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/law_librarian_blog/2010/03/westlawnext-pricing.html" target=_blank>huge gaping hole of information about WestlawNext pricing</a> also exists in the heads of those trying to sell the product.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Solomon</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WestlawNext was the topic of the day on The Law Librarian show on Blogtalk Radio last Friday. Although I wasn&#8217;t able to listen to the show live, I caught <a href="http://www.blogtalkradio.com/thelawlibrarian/2010/02/19/law-library-news" target=_blank>the recording</a>. </p>
<p>Though much of the discussion was focused on the WestlawNext algorithm, the participants touched on pricing as well. One of the featured guests expressed this concern: &#8220;If this is as cool as it appears, it widens the gap between what large law can do versus the self-represented litigant or even the small law firm. Because large law firms can afford to buy this right away . . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>Later, one of the guests, extrapolating from the fact that 80% of lawyers in the country practice in firms with fewer than 20 lawyers that don&#8217;t employ law librarians, posited that most of West&#8217;s revenues come from small firms.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.geeklawblog.com/2010/02/can-attorneys-practice-law-without.html">Greg Lambert</a> recounted the disdain of his co-blogger, Toby Brown, for West&#8217;s excuse for charging a premium for WestlawNext (which is that the company has invested significant resources in the upgrade). I agree with Toby&#8217;s view that customers expect a company like West to take R&#038;D costs out of its own pocket, rather than so blantanty reaching into its customers&#8217; pockets to cover them.</p>
<p><a href="http://theleiters.net/BlogTalkRadio/TheLawLibrarian_files/BTR.2.19.10.pdf" target=_blank>The show&#8217;s chatroom transcript</a> also contains some great nuggets about pricing:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Marcia Dority Baker<br />
How many people are firm librarians? have you bought westlawnext yet?<br />
Mar95<br />
I&#8217;ve had the my rep onsite and had a demo. The product looks great, much simpler for users, the problem is the pricing.</p>
<p>mar95<br />
It&#8217;s being sold as a seperate product &#8211; $900 month in addition to our current subscription. Or there is a pay-as-you-go option, $10 per search, $5 to view/print document, $2 for keycite</p>
<p>mnlawfirmlib<br />
Does anyone else feel reps weren&#8217;t very well prepared for the rollout? While I&#8217;m glad TR invited bloggers to preview it and greatly appreciate their insights and feedback but reps seem behind the 8 ball and don&#8217;t have all the information.<br />
mnlawfirmlib<br />
Example of conflicting information: our rep told us it was $60 per search.</p>
<p>weblawlib<br />
But if you&#8217;re able to bill back most Westlaw charges, how does this impact a law firm library budget?<br />
Ken Hirsh<br />
Many corporate clients want flat billing from outside counsel<br />
mnlawfirmlib<br />
That&#8217;s just it &#8211; we&#8217;re not able to bill back many charges b/c many large clients won&#8217;t pay for online research or attorneys write it off for a variety of reasons.</p>
<p>cblib<br />
recovery rate is never where it needs to be. i can&#8217;t take risks.</p>
<p>Marcia Dority Baker<br />
Hmm, are small firms West&#8217;s bread &#038; butter?</p>
<p>mar98<br />
I think smaller firms are probably very important business, many don&#8217;t keep books, and just use electronic material on West.
</p></blockquote>
<p>I think it&#8217;s fascinating that large firm librarians think that small firms are important to West&#8217;s bottom line, since <a href="http://legalresearchandwritingpro.com/blog/2010/02/10/my-westlawnext-upgrade-negotiations-proof-that-west-isnt-interested-in-the-solo-market/">my WestlawNext upgrade negotiations</a> have led me to believe that West isn&#8217;t interested in the solo market at all.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also interesting to hear about biglaw&#8217;s experience with cost recovery, <a href="http://legalresearchandwritingpro.com/blog/2009/05/10/the-cost-of-your-online-legal-research-subscription-is-your-overhead%E2%80%94dont-pass-it-through-to-your-clients/">a topic I posted about last May</a>. </p>
<p>Finally, I&#8217;m going to take this opportunity to update <a href="http://legalresearchandwritingpro.com/blog/2010/02/10/my-westlawnext-upgrade-negotiations-proof-that-west-isnt-interested-in-the-solo-market/">my last post</a> (for some reason, the update is breaking that post):</p>
<p><strong>Update 2/25/10, 8:30 p.m.</strong></p>
<p>On Monday, I received a response (by snail mail) from my rep&#8217;s sales manager. Included with the response was a long list of the databases included in the National Secondary Sources &#8211; Premium plan. Although I haven&#8217;t had a chance to review the list in detail, as I expected, it appears to be nearly identical to the <a href="http://www.jdsupra.com/post/documentViewer.aspx?fid=db6d680a-42d6-4331-9e4a-4f5c1e28ae52" target=_blank>All Analytical Library</a> content (which, as noted above, is far from comprehensive, and is nowhere close to offering equivalent value to the sources available in Results Plus), plus Corpus Juris Secundum.</p>
<p>The sales manager&#8217;s response to my pricing questions was classic West:</p>
<blockquote><p>
There are no URL [<i>sic</i>] or press releases regarding our pricing modules or programs. As I stated earlier, that information is confidential.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, and the post-February 28 prices for all of the WestlawNext plan components I discussed with my sales rep? &#8220;<i>That has not been released</i>.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, let me see if I have this straight: First, my sales rep quotes me prices for several WestlawNext libraries. Weeks later&#8212;after I prove myself to be a tough customer&#8212;the sales manager tells me that my rep forgot to mention that those prices are only the introductory prices. But he can&#8217;t tell me what the regular prices will be, even though they&#8217;ll be going into effect next week. </p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t have a business or marketing degree, I know a little bit about marketing from personal experience. Whenever a company offers a special introductory/early bird price, they tell you what the regular price will be. Why? To motivate you to buy now. And when a company offers an early bird price, they actually <i>advertise</i> it; after all, what&#8217;s the point of creating urgency if nobody knows about the special offer?</p>
<p><a href="http://legalresearchandwritingpro.com/blog/2010/02/10/my-westlawnext-upgrade-negotiations-proof-that-west-isnt-interested-in-the-solo-market/">My last post</a> is two weeks old. I&#8217;ve <a href="http://twitter.com/lisasolomon/status/8989224852" target=_blank>invited West to respond to the issues</a>. A week ago, I raised them in <a href="http://legalcurrent.com/2010/02/15/westlawnext-and-law-librarians/" target=_blank>a comment on West&#8217;s own blog</a>. Other bloggers have commented on the lack of pricing transparency. Yet West hasn&#8217;t offered an official response. The company&#8217;s silence speaks volumes about the regard in which it holds its customers.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few weeks ago, I wrote about my preview of West&#8217;s new search product, WestlawNext. At the end of the post, I said that I’d like to upgrade, but I know I don’t want additional content within my subscription plan. I promised to report back on my negotiations with my account rep. This is my [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few weeks ago, <a href="http://legalresearchandwritingpro.com/blog/2010/01/27/westlawnext-preview-product-and-pricing/">I wrote about my preview of West&#8217;s new search product</a>, WestlawNext. At the end of the post, I said that I’d like to upgrade, but I know I don’t want additional content within my subscription plan. I promised to report back on my negotiations with my account rep. This is my report.</p>
<p><strong>My Background with Westlaw</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a Westlaw user for five years, and am currently two years into my second three-year contract with them. Since I work with lawyers nationwide, I have a very broad Westlaw plan (especially for a solo), with particular depth in New York secondary sources (about 50% of my clients are in New York). I currently pay $489/month for my subscription, with a scheduled price increase in March to $514/month. Here&#8217;s what my current plan looks like:</p>

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		<th class="column-1">Total</th><th class="column-2">$489.84</th>
	</tr>
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<tbody>
	<tr class="row-1">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://west.thomson.com/productdetail/127422/40307725/productdetail.aspx" target=_blank>All Cases &amp; Statutes NY Gold w/Regs Plus</a></td><td class="column-2">$301.88</td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-2">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://west.thomson.com/productdetail/11809/30310837/productdetail.aspx" target=_blank>Law Reviews &amp; Journals</a></td><td class="column-2">$ 54.61</td>
	</tr>
	<tr class="row-3">
		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://thomsonreuters.com/products_services/legal/legal_products/393832/ResultsPlus_on_Westlaw" target=_blank>Results Plus</a></td><td class="column-2">$133.35</td>
	</tr>
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<p>I picked up ResultsPlus when I signed my current contract. I love it. Basically, the ResultsPlus plan allows you to click on any of the documents you see listed on the right side of your Westlaw screen without incurring an out-of-plan charge (without ResultsPlus, you&#8217;d get an out-of-plan warning screen). Only the &#8220;first click&#8221; is free: while you can browse through the table of contents of the analytical source you&#8217;ve linked to at no cost, if you view any other section of the source from the table of contents, it will be considered out-of-plan (you&#8217;ll get a warning screen and can then choose to cancel or continue). At the preview meeting in Eagan, West explained that ResultsPlus was somewhat of an early step towards the development of WestlawNext (which extensively features suggested links to materials in databases other than what you may be focusing on).</p>
<p><strong>My Views About Westlaw Pricing</strong></p>
<p>I expanded the views expressed in my last blog post on Twitter (@ reply indicators have been deleted):</p>
<blockquote><p>Suppose it&#8217;s possible @Westlaw could req. NDA re: Westlawnext pricing, but there would be a huge backlash.</p>
<p>What @Westlaw thinks is &#8220;modest.&#8221; Frankly, I believe &#8220;upgrade&#8221; 2 WestlawNext should be free 4 current customers.</p>
<p>After all, @Westlaw will still make $ when customer accesses out-of-plan document from WestlawNext results list. [cont.]</p>
<p>Charging 4 upgrade to WestlawNext is shortsighted, b/c WLN is designed to reveal all relevant docs (incl. out-of-plan).</p>
<p>A WestlawNext user who frequently accesses out-of-plan docs, will convince *him/her self* to expand scope of subscription.</p>
<p>Also want to know what WestlawNext equiv is to WL&#8217;s Results Plus add-on (=1st click to doc outside of plan is free).</p>
<p>Agree that there were large R&#038;D costs. WestLawNext algorithm relies on much more than what&#8217;s in pub domain.</p>
<p>Still, @Westlaw shld treat current customers better than new 1s; it will still profit as explained in my prev twts</p>
<p>Whether current @Westlaw pricing is outrageous depends on ur view of the added value it provides. I think it&#8217;s worth it 4</p>
<p>&#8230;my practice, which is research-heavy. If ur use is very light, not much value in a monthly subscription at their prices</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>My WestlawNext Upgrade Negotiations</strong></p>
<p>After I explained my upgrade goals to my Westlaw rep, I received this response:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Proposal #1</p>
<p>This proposal contains a straight migration of your All Cases &#038; Statutes NY Gold with Regs Plus and adds the All Analytical library. The Law Reviews &#038; Journals portion of your plan is a part of the All Analytical plan and therefore is not listed as a stand alone database. This proposal contains ALR, AmJur, AmJur POF, Causes of Action, Federal Practice and Procedure, etc., and captures the vast majority of your Results Plus usage. Based on your usage, the biggest missing piece in this proposal is CJS which you accessed approximately once a month through Results Plus.</p>
<p>Proposal #2</p>
<p>This proposal is a step up in analytical content and includes CJS and the Restatements.</p>
<p>Proposal #3</p>
<p>For this proposal I took a look at your usage of the CFR. Over the past year you have accessed the CFR 8 times, so it is a database that you may consider dropping. I kept you in All Cases &#038; Statutes and added the NY Analytical plan to replicate the content of a NY Gold package. I added the All Analytical and included CJS as a stand alone subscription.</p>
<p>As I mentioned, WestlawNEXT is a premium product and while I have discounted my proposals to the highest order allowed, the prices reflect that premium.  After we spoke I had the opportunity to speak with a reference attorney who has been using WLN for the past few months. Despite her exceptional skill at boolean searching she finds that WLN’s search engine allows her to find the most relevant cases quicker than boolean searching on Westlaw. The reason, she explained, is the intuitive nature of the search engine and its ability to look beyond your search to find the most relevant cases, statues and secondary sources.</p>
<p>As an existing customer, with any of these three proposals you will be eligible for up to $1000 in print at no charge.</p>
<p>Note also that your current plan is scheduled for an annual increase at the end of this month. Starting in March your monthly payment will be $514/month.</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s how the plans compare (all monthly prices have been adjusted to reflect the 45% discount I would get for being willing to sign a new 3-year contract at this point):</p>
<p>
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		<th class="column-1"></th><th class="column-2">Proposal #1</th><th class="column-3">Proposal #2</th><th class="column-4">Proposal #3</th>
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		<th class="column-1">Total</th><th class="column-2">$567.05</th><th class="column-3">$777.15</th><th class="column-4">$560.45</th>
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		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://west.thomson.com/productdetail/127422/40307725/productdetail.aspx" target=_blank>All Cases &amp; Statutes NY Gold w/Regs Plus</a></td><td class="column-2">$357.50</td><td class="column-3">$357.50</td><td class="column-4"></td>
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		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://www.jdsupra.com/post/documentViewer.aspx?fid=db6d680a-42d6-4331-9e4a-4f5c1e28ae52" target=_blank>All Analytical Library</a></td><td class="column-2">$209.55</td><td class="column-3"></td><td class="column-4">$209.55</td>
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		<td class="column-1">National Secondary Sources - Premium</td><td class="column-2"></td><td class="column-3">$419.65</td><td class="column-4"></td>
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		<td class="column-1">All Cases &amp; Statutes</td><td class="column-2"></td><td class="column-3"></td><td class="column-4">$235.95</td>
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		<td class="column-1"><a href="http://www.jdsupra.com/post/documentViewer.aspx?fid=94cf42a9-b4b7-4c27-b4f1-2f961b321f05" target=_blank>NY Analytical</a></td><td class="column-2"></td><td class="column-3"></td><td class="column-4">$114.95</td>
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(I&#8217;ve omitted the cost for CJS from Proposal #3 because I don&#8217;t need it as long as I have Am Jur, which is included in the All Analytical library.)</p>
<p>As you can see from the chart above, when a database (such as All Cases &#038; Statutes NY Gold w/Regs Plus) comes over from Westlaw to WestlawNext without any change in its coverage, there is an approximately 11% price increase.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my response to the proposals:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Please provide me with a complete list of (1) All Analytical sources in WestlawNext; (2) New York Analytical sources in WestlawNext and (3) Results Plus sources in Westlaw. I would prefer if you provide me with links to where I (or anyone else for that matter) can find the sources lists online, as West should be transparent about what libraries/databases are available. If this information is not readily available online to the public (including individuals who are not current Westlaw Subscribers), please provide it as attachments.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t All Analytical include everything that&#8217;s in New York Analytical? If not, the name of All Analytical is misleading.</p>
<p>Just to clarify: is the only difference between All Analytical ($381) and National Secondary Sources &#8211; Premium ($763) the fact that the latter includes Restatements and CJS?</p></blockquote>
<p>He sent the database lists I requested, which I&#8217;ve linked to above. He also responded:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Remember that Results Plus allows the first click into the listed databases, while subscribing to the All Analytical Plan gives you unfettered searching in many of the same titles.</p>
<p>Re: All Analytical v. NY Analytical:  The “all” refers to national analytical titles such as ALR, AmJur, etc.  As evidenced by the attached documents, NY Analytical is targeted to NY specific analytical sources.  </p>
<p>Re: The difference between All Analytical and National Secondary Sources, premium, is primarily the restatements and CJS.  I haven’t cross checked all the databases (the list is too long), but those are the major titles.</p>
<p>Re: Proposal #3: The NYCRR is contained in the All Cases &#038; Statutes portion of the proposal. </p>
<p>Any person can always go to www.west.thomson.com and find a complete list of databases for any of our online plans.  It is my understanding that they are current with WestlawNEXT as well.  As you mentioned, West should be and is transparent with the content of their plans.</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s my response:</p>
<blockquote><p>
The All Analytical list is far from comprehensive, and is nowhere close to offering equivalent value to the sources available in Results Plus. Specifically, the vast majority of the All Analytical database seems to be composed of Law Reviews and Journals. Another huge chunk of All Analytical is composed of what appears to be redundant portions of larger works. Here&#8217;s one example:</p>
<p>ALR American Law Reports [doesn't this include all of the segments below?]<br />
ALR-BKR American Law Reports–Bankruptcy<br />
ALR-BUS American Law Reports–Business Organizations<br />
ALR-CML American Law Reports–Commercial Transactions<br />
ALR-CSTR American Law Reports–Construction<br />
ALRDIGEST West&#8217;s ALR Digest<br />
ALR-DUI American Law Reports–Driving While Intoxicated<br />
ALR-ELD American Law Reports–Elder Law<br />
ALR-ENV American Law Reports–Environmental Law<br />
ALR-EPP American Law Reports–Estate Planning and Probate<br />
ALR-FAM American Law Reports–Family Law<br />
ALRFED American Law Reports, Federal<br />
ALR-GOVK American Law Reports–Government Contracts<br />
ALR-IMM American Law Reports–Immigration<br />
ALRINDEX ALR Index<br />
ALR-INS American Law Reports–Insurance<br />
ALR-IP American Law Reports–Intellectual Property<br />
ALR-LB American Law Reports–Labor and Employment<br />
ALR-MRT American Law Reports–Maritime<br />
ALR-MUN American Law Reports–Municipal<br />
ALR-PAT American Law Reports–Patents<br />
ALR-RP American Law Reports–Real Property<br />
ALR-SEC American Law Reports–Securities<br />
ALR-US-INT American Law Reports–Multinational (Issues Arising in the U.S.)<br />
ALR-WC American Law Reports–Workers&#8217; Compensation<br />
ALR-ZONING American Law Reports–Zoning</p>
<p>Moreover, hardly any of <a href="http://www.jdsupra.com/post/documentViewer.aspx?fid=fc308cbc-72eb-427e-881c-80195c754802" target=_blank>the sources included in Results Plus Pro</a> are included in All Analytical. Significant omissions from All Analytical include the state Jurisprudence works (e.g., CALJUR, FLJUR), the Witkin publications (re: California law) Couch on Insurance, Fletcher Cyclopedia of the Law of Private Corps. and Williston on Contracts. Only a tiny handful of non-law journal sources that are included in All Analytical are excluded from Results Plus (e.g., Handbook of Federal Evidence, West&#8217;s Federal Forms)</p>
<p>Since the biggest chunk of All Analytical is equivalent to Law Reviews and Journals, while All Analytical is missing perhaps 90% of what is included in Results Plus, the value of All Analytical is much closer to $54.61/month (the current charge for Law Reviews &#038; Journals) than the $209.55/month (after 45% discount) that you propose to charge me for All Analytical. At most, I would pay $100/month for All Analytical, as that database is currently comprised. I would pay $209.55/month for National Secondary Sources &#8211; Premium, but only if that plan includes all (or a significant number) of the databases included in Results Plus Pro.</p>
<p>I understand that, in WestlawNext, I have access to the entire secondary source in All Analytical, as opposed to only the first click in Results Plus. However, the whole point of the new WestSearch algorithm is to display the most relevant content alongside my search results (that is also the model for ResultsPlus). Therefore, the first click is generally all I need.</p></blockquote>
<p>I proposed the following solution:</p>
<blockquote><p>If National Secondary Sources &#8211; Premium, does not include all (or a significant number) of the databases included in Results Plus Pro and/or I can&#8217;t get it for $209.55/month, then can I do the following: in WestlawNext, take All Cases &#038; Statutes + NY Analytical and retain in Westlaw only ResultsPlus + Law Reviews and Journals (all of which I calculate to come to $539.06)?</p></blockquote>
<p>My rep&#8217;s response:</p>
<blockquote><p>
The value of the All Analytical package is in its inclusion of ALR, AmJur, Federal Practice &#038; Procedure, Causes of Actions and Proof of Facts.  These are huge and popular national analytical sets containing a great deal of information across all areas of law.  The content is vastly more comprehensive than the Law Reviews &#038; Journals database.</p>
<p>In all my pricing I have maxed out the available discount.  I cannot change the pricing any further and exceptions beyond our discretionary discount (which is, as you know, a generous 45%) are not being considered.</p>
<p>Additionally, accounts can choose from Westlaw or WestlawNEXT.  It is not possible to purchase databases from WestlawNEXT and Results Plus.  (Practically, this would force you to run all your searches in both search engines).</p>
<p>We do have plans that allow you access to virtually all databases outside of your plan at a discount of up to 90%.  For example, for $100/month you get up to $1000/month of ancillary usage.  This would be a good way for you to expand your universe of available databases while maintaining cost certainty.</p>
<p>Perhaps you would be interested in a trial password for WestlawNEXT?  This way you can use the two products side to side and make the best value decision for your practice.</p></blockquote>
<p>And mine:</p>
<blockquote><p>
I find substantial value in having access to the 90% of Results Plus sources that are NOT included in All Analytical. In fact, I would appreciate if you can take a look at my account and provide me with a report detailing all of the sources I have used through Results Plus and the frequency of access.</p>
<p>I have used Westlaw Next. I am familiar with the value it can provide. The plans you suggest ($100/month for up to $1,000/month of out-of-plan usage) are not a good choice for me, since $1,000/month adds up very quickly. I want complete certainty.</p>
<p>The &#8220;discretionary discount&#8221; has a benefit for West, in that it locks in customers for 3 years.</p>
<p>I have no problem running my searches in both engines: it&#8217;s a simple copy and paste.</p></blockquote>
<p>I asked my rep to put me in touch with his sales manager if he couldn&#8217;t do anything more for me. Here&#8217;s the sales manager&#8217;s response: </p>
<blockquote><p>I received your message from [your sales rep].  You may contact me at your earliest convenience.  </p>
<p>In advance, I will let you know that West has painstakingly put together its packages and prices with careful consideration.  I assure you [your sales rep's] proposal has met the limits of pricing negotiation and options.</p>
<p>We will understand if you feel your current plan which includes Results Plus remains a better solution for you.</p></blockquote>
<p>So the bottom line is this: even if I&#8217;m willing to pay an 11% premium for the power to search with the WestlawNext algorithm in the same databases I currently have access to on Westlaw, tough cookies. They&#8217;re going to change their offerings around enough to make it difficult for you to compare apples to apples. And, most importantly, they&#8217;re not going to let you <a href="http://www.myshingle.com/2010/01/articles/legal-research-and-writing/my-trip-out-to-west-a-preview-of-westlawnext/" target=_blank>eat just you want to eat</a>: they want to stuff you until you explode, like some crazed Jewish grandmother on Shabbos. Oh (and to beat this food metaphor to death), they&#8217;re not going to let you eat just a few courses at the fancy new WestlawNext (the <a href="http://www.davidbouley.com/" target=_blank>Bouley Restaurant</a> of legal research), and pick up the rest of your meal next door at good ol&#8217; Westlaw (<a href="http://www.davidbouley.com/" target=_blank>Bouley Bakery/Market</a>): if you don&#8217;t want to eat your whole meal at WestlawNext, it&#8217;s <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJyGJQx2Fgk" target=_blank>No soup for you!</a></p>
<p><strong>Update 2/11/10, 11:30 a.m.</strong>: I received this message from my rep&#8217;s sales manager this morning:</p>
<blockquote><p>
After reviewing the proposals we sent, I noticed we failed to mention that this is an introductory pricing that we will not be offering after February 28th.</p>
<p>As with all of our proposals and emails, I am hoping this information would be kept confidential.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not smart, West. Not smart at all.</p>
<p><strong>Update 2/13/10, 1:00 a.m.</strong>: Last night, I sent the sales manager an e-mail requesting a complete list of sources included in the National Secondary Sources &#8211; Premium plan. I also responded to his request for confidentiality:</p>
<blockquote><p>With respect to confidentiality, in my view there are no trade secrets involved in our negotiation. The process of upgrading to WestlawNext is like buying a new car. There’s an MSRP, and each option also has its own price. Packages can bring down the price of certain options. But would a car salesman ask you to keep your negotiations confidential? There is no reason&#8212;other than a desire to divide and conquer your customers and potential customers&#8212;to request confidentiality for these negotiations. &#8220;Transparency&#8221; goes beyond providing complete source lists (see Elwyn&#8217;s message of February 9): it must extend to pricing, too.</p></blockquote>
<p>Just now (yes, I&#8217;m burning the midnight oil), I sent the sales manager this message:</p>
<blockquote><p>Further to your message of 2/11, please advise what the prices will be for all WestlawNext plan components that I have discussed with [my sales rep] after February 28.</p>
<p>Additionally, please provide the URL(s) for any public statements by Westlaw informing the legal community that it would be offering &#8220;introductory pricing&#8221; for a total of 14 business days after launch, at a time when very few customers have had a chance to be exposed to WestlawNext, and before &#8220;<a href="http://tinyurl.com/yfzsqfz" target=_blank>Johnny and Jenny Westlaw</a>&#8221; have even had an opportunity to visit six major markets. Certainly, there&#8217;s no way each rep can pitch all of his or her accounts, and negotiate plans for all interested customers, in that time frame.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll update again once I hear back (which may not be until at least Tuesday, since Monday is a holiday).</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Back in October, I co-presented Powerful Writing Techniques to Help You Persuade Judges and Win Clients with Hon. Gerald Lebovits. The ABA&#8217;s GP&#124;Solo Division recorded the session, and will be offering it as part of a teleconference and live audio webcast on Wednesday, February 17 from noon-1:30 p.m. (Eastern). The program will start with a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://legalresearchandwritingpro.com/blog/2009/09/02/october-events-live-cles-on-social-media-persuasive-writing/" target=_blank>Back in October</a>, I co-presented <em>Powerful Writing Techniques to Help You Persuade Judges and Win Clients</em> with <a href="http://legalresearchandwritingpro.com/blog/2009/06/04/write-like-this-judge-not-like-those-judges/" target=_blank>Hon. Gerald Lebovits</a>. The ABA&#8217;s GP|Solo Division recorded the session, and will be offering it as part of a teleconference and live audio webcast on Wednesday, February 17 from noon-1:30 p.m. (Eastern). The program will start with a playback of the recorded session, followed by a live Q&#038;A session with Judge Lebovits and me.</p>
<p>This program teaches lawyers to write more persuasively by using the same powerful techniques that copywriters have relied on for years. Topics covered in this course include:</p>
<ul>
<li>The greatest challenge your writing must overcome to persuade readers to take a desired action
<li>Basic concepts underlying all effective persuasive writing—ignore these and you’re sunk
<li>How to write a compelling brief that the judge just can’t put down
<li>The role of emotion in jurisprudence and how to trigger the reader’s emotions
<li>The things readers absolutely hate—and how to avoid them
<li>How to deal with objections to your position
<li>Closing the deal: conclusions and calls to action
<li>And more . . . .
</ul>
<p>CLE accreditation (for 1.5 hours in 50-minute states and 1.8 hours in 60-minute states) is pending. </p>
<p>You can register for the program at the <a href="http://www.abanet.org/cle/programs/t10pwt1.html" target=_blank>ABA&#8217;s website</a>.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Westlaw will be launching its new search engine, called WestlawNext, at Legal Tech New York next Monday. Yesterday, the folks responsible for WestlawNext gave a pre-launch presentation about the new platform to a group of bloggers and legal journalists who write for various audiences. Carolyn Elefant and I were there representing the small firm and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Westlaw will be launching its new search engine, called <a href="http://www.seewestlaw.com/" target=_blank>WestlawNext</a>, at Legal Tech New York next Monday. Yesterday, the folks responsible for WestlawNext gave a pre-launch presentation about the new platform to a group of bloggers and legal journalists who write for various audiences. <a href="http://myshingle.com" target=_blank>Carolyn Elefant</a> and I were there representing the small firm and solo practitioner perspective. Other participants included  <a href="http://twitter.com/glambert" target=_blank>Greg Lambert</a> of <a href="http://www.geeklawblog.com/" target=_blank>3 Geeks and a Law Blog</a> (large firm perspective), Donna Tuke of <a href="http://www.alertpub.com/" target=_blank>Legal Information Alert</a> (a publication for law librarians) and Canadian practice management advisor <a href="http://thoughtfullaw.com/" target=_blank>David Bilinsky</a> (among others). (Disclosure: West paid the participants’ expenses to travel to its Eagan, Minnesota headquarters for the meeting). Everyone at the Eagan meeting (as well as a few others who were not able to attend) had already had an opportunity to use the beta version of Westlaw Next and to provide feedback to the developers.</p>
<p><strong>How Does WestlawNext Differ from Westlaw?</strong></p>
<p>Although he couldn’t make it to Eagan, Bob Ambrogi (who was one of the bloggers who got a beta preview) hit most of the high points of the new search tool in <a href="http://www.legaline.com/2010/01/first-look-at-westlawnext.html" target=_blank>a post published yesterday</a>. <a href="http://socialmedialawstudent.com/lead-article/westlawnext/" target=_blank>Laura Bergus of Social Media Law Student</a> and <a href="http://thoughtfullaw.com/2010/01/27/daves-top-10-list-about-westlawnext/" target=_blank>David Bilinsky</a> have also posted product reviews.</p>
<p>A few additional points are worth mentioning. First, although <a href="http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/exclusive_inside_the_new_westlaw_lexis_bloomberg_platforms" target=_blank>the ABA Journal reported</a> that, as of December, West was still considering whether or not would allow users to perform boolean (terms and connectors) searches, at yesterday’s meeting the West representatives clarified that boolean searching is <i>not</i> being eliminated.</p>
<p>Second, although both Ambrogi and the ABA Journal refer to the ability to do “natural language” searches in WestlawNext, the West representatives explained that the WestlawNext algorithm for non-boolean searches is much more sophisticated than the algorithm used for natural language searches on Westlaw.com. In particular, it leverages West’s human-created content—including the key number system and other proprietary analytical content (such as statutory annotations and treatises)—along with KeyCite results and customer usage information to return more relevant results earlier in the research process.</p>
<p>Third, I’m intrigued by the fact that you can search in a database that is outside your subscription plan, and review the results list, without incurring search charges. Instead of charging for the search, with WestlawNext, you’ll be charged only for accessing the documents that you view in full text.<br />
<strong><br />
Pricing: the Elephant in the Room</strong></p>
<p>There’s no question that WestlawNext is superior to Westlaw. Unfortunately (as the ABA Journal noted on Monday), that performance comes at a price.</p>
<p>When we asked, point blank, what that price would be, the West representatives didn’t have a simple answer. Instead, they explained that the company’s sales reps will try to convince customers to add additional content to their subscriptions at the time of upgrade. When pressed as to whether the upgrade would be pegged at a certain percentage of the cost of a subscriber’s plan, West denied taking that approach.</p>
<p>West’s non-response essentially leaves its subscribers in the dark and on their own when it comes to upgrade negotiations. As I see it, the best way to counter West’s strategy is to crowdsource solutions, a la <a href="http://www.bidontravel.com/" target=_blank>BidonTravel.com</a>. Perhaps some enterprising legal tech expert will set up a site like BidonTravel.com in the not too distant future; in the meantime, I invite you to discuss your experiences in the comments below.</p>
<p>I’d like to upgrade, but I know I don’t want additional content within my subscription plan. How West will respond to this position remains to be seen; I’ll report back on my negotiations with my account rep.</p>
<p>Finally, some advice for West: although I don’t have any statistics at the moment, my sense is that, since it lowered its prices a number of years ago, West has captured a significant portion of the small firm lawyers and solo practitioners who previously used Lexis. If WestlawNext comes at too high a premium, West may lose the ground it’s gained.</p>
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