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		<title>Comment on 22. “Discussion: Must We Choose between Chandran Kukathas’s ‘Two Constructions of Libertarianism’?” by Jesper Larsen</title>
		<link>http://libertarianpapers.org/2009/22-narveson-discussion-kukathas-two-constructions/comment-page-1/#comment-6902</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesper Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 16:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As musch as I appreciate Narveson, I think he misses the issue at stake, although Kukatha might not make it sufficiently clear either.
Consider two obvious cases: Present day North Korea and a cult somewhere in the Midwest USA. Now we all agree, that IF the regime of North Korea uses (grave) unjust force, it's members are allowed to appeal for help from any state or protective agency. Likewise the members of forementioned cult. On the other hand, if all citizens/members are there by choice and free will, nothing could or should be done. But...
I would consider it highly likely that some citizen somewhere in North Korea might want his freedom, but how can I KNOW?
If one makes the assumption that any state or protective agency can intervene based on the expectation that citizens of a foreign country (or members of a cult) will be happy to be free, once the regime has fallen, what response can be given to the claim that the Nazis were doing exactly the same, knowing that the people of Europa would freely embrace nazism once all others regimes had fallen.
If we need a cry for help, or a written contract for someone to assign his right to self defense to another (state og PA), it would encourage isolationist regimes, since both international law and libertarian principles would (perhaps?) suppport their right to self defense, should some other force their way into their territory to investigate the preferences of its inhabitants.
Considering thar just rules are to be reciprocable, little is gained by stating thar any state/PA should have the right to inspect citizens og members of other states/groups or to present to them alternative views or ideologies in order to secure a free choice between alternatives. Would (should) USA allow North Korea to do similar to american citizens, or would (should) mainstream organisations be forced to allow members of bizarre cults to do similarly?
Taking the matter further, what constitutes PROOF of unjust violation of peoples rights? Sufficiently isolated states/cults could be torturing children for fun, and the only proof might be the (potentially biased) statements of refugees/dissidents.
I am not suggesting that such matters could not be worked out at least to some extent. My point is that it is fairly ease to state the obvious principle of liberty, but a rather difficult matter to secure that all people enjoy this principle in at least reasonable degree...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As musch as I appreciate Narveson, I think he misses the issue at stake, although Kukatha might not make it sufficiently clear either.<br />
Consider two obvious cases: Present day North Korea and a cult somewhere in the Midwest USA. Now we all agree, that IF the regime of North Korea uses (grave) unjust force, it&#8217;s members are allowed to appeal for help from any state or protective agency. Likewise the members of forementioned cult. On the other hand, if all citizens/members are there by choice and free will, nothing could or should be done. But&#8230;<br />
I would consider it highly likely that some citizen somewhere in North Korea might want his freedom, but how can I KNOW?<br />
If one makes the assumption that any state or protective agency can intervene based on the expectation that citizens of a foreign country (or members of a cult) will be happy to be free, once the regime has fallen, what response can be given to the claim that the Nazis were doing exactly the same, knowing that the people of Europa would freely embrace nazism once all others regimes had fallen.<br />
If we need a cry for help, or a written contract for someone to assign his right to self defense to another (state og PA), it would encourage isolationist regimes, since both international law and libertarian principles would (perhaps?) suppport their right to self defense, should some other force their way into their territory to investigate the preferences of its inhabitants.<br />
Considering thar just rules are to be reciprocable, little is gained by stating thar any state/PA should have the right to inspect citizens og members of other states/groups or to present to them alternative views or ideologies in order to secure a free choice between alternatives. Would (should) USA allow North Korea to do similar to american citizens, or would (should) mainstream organisations be forced to allow members of bizarre cults to do similarly?<br />
Taking the matter further, what constitutes PROOF of unjust violation of peoples rights? Sufficiently isolated states/cults could be torturing children for fun, and the only proof might be the (potentially biased) statements of refugees/dissidents.<br />
I am not suggesting that such matters could not be worked out at least to some extent. My point is that it is fairly ease to state the obvious principle of liberty, but a rather difficult matter to secure that all people enjoy this principle in at least reasonable degree&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reader Input Sought Regarding Print and Ebook Versions by Michael Makovi</title>
		<link>http://libertarianpapers.org/2011/reader-input-sought-regarding-print-and-ebook-versions/comment-page-1/#comment-6873</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Makovi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 04:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But price must still be less than marginal utility for their to be demand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But price must still be less than marginal utility for their to be demand.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reader Input Sought Regarding Print and Ebook Versions by Michael Makovi</title>
		<link>http://libertarianpapers.org/2011/reader-input-sought-regarding-print-and-ebook-versions/comment-page-1/#comment-6872</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Makovi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 04:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See &lt;a href="https://my.qoop.com/design/design.php?cur_page=5" rel="nofollow"&gt;https://my.qoop.com/design/design.php?cur_page=5&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See <a href="https://my.qoop.com/design/design.php?cur_page=5" rel="nofollow">https://my.qoop.com/design/design.php?cur_page=5</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reader Input Sought Regarding Print and Ebook Versions by Michael Makovi</title>
		<link>http://libertarianpapers.org/2011/reader-input-sought-regarding-print-and-ebook-versions/comment-page-1/#comment-6871</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Makovi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 04:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the paper, I haven't used Createspace, but I have used QOOP, and with them, I was just able to upload a PDF and print it, without having to pay any sort of membership fee or the like. Maybe see if that is cheaper?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the paper, I haven&#8217;t used Createspace, but I have used QOOP, and with them, I was just able to upload a PDF and print it, without having to pay any sort of membership fee or the like. Maybe see if that is cheaper?</p>
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		<title>Comment on 8. “Christian Anarchism: Communitarian or Capitalist?” by Louigi Verona</title>
		<link>http://libertarianpapers.org/2012/8-salter-christian-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-6862</link>
		<dc:creator>Louigi Verona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 05:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would make a very big difference between the "popular Christianity" as it is being preached by people who read the Bible once and understood it pretty much literally and between the "philosophers Christianity", meaning a deeper understanding of the consequences of what Christ said and did.

One of the most influential in this regard for me are the works of Semyon Frank, a religious philosopher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semyon_Frank).

He notes what many popular preachers do not notice, that if we say that fate of man comes from the fact that we are free and so in this freedom we sin, then it follows from this that God values us as free creatures. And thus that we cannot say that an illness is a "punishment" for sins, as a punishment would be basically using force where none is possible. God does not use force. Otherwise - why not stop Adam from committing a sin by force in the first place?

Not only that, but Frank and many other philosophers, such as Nicholas of Cusa and Vladimir Solovyov, did not view God as a totally separate entity from man, but as part of man which is neither separable, nor totally united. And so saying that "God owns are bodies" is basically same as saying "we own our bodies".

And finally, miracles do not have to mean the "suspending of laws of physics". Miracles may mean "ordinary physics" + "external power of God", whatever that power is. Many philosophers, including Frank, take that stance and show that miracles do not contradict physics a bit, since physics studies a closed system of known forces. Biology, for instance, says nothing about what would happen to a virgin's body if an external force (certain power of God) acts upon her.

So I think that difficulties come from a simplistic understanding of Christianity and of ignoring the full consequences of things Christianity teaches, like free will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would make a very big difference between the &#8220;popular Christianity&#8221; as it is being preached by people who read the Bible once and understood it pretty much literally and between the &#8220;philosophers Christianity&#8221;, meaning a deeper understanding of the consequences of what Christ said and did.</p>
<p>One of the most influential in this regard for me are the works of Semyon Frank, a religious philosopher (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semyon_Frank" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semyon_Frank</a>).</p>
<p>He notes what many popular preachers do not notice, that if we say that fate of man comes from the fact that we are free and so in this freedom we sin, then it follows from this that God values us as free creatures. And thus that we cannot say that an illness is a &#8220;punishment&#8221; for sins, as a punishment would be basically using force where none is possible. God does not use force. Otherwise &#8211; why not stop Adam from committing a sin by force in the first place?</p>
<p>Not only that, but Frank and many other philosophers, such as Nicholas of Cusa and Vladimir Solovyov, did not view God as a totally separate entity from man, but as part of man which is neither separable, nor totally united. And so saying that &#8220;God owns are bodies&#8221; is basically same as saying &#8220;we own our bodies&#8221;.</p>
<p>And finally, miracles do not have to mean the &#8220;suspending of laws of physics&#8221;. Miracles may mean &#8220;ordinary physics&#8221; + &#8220;external power of God&#8221;, whatever that power is. Many philosophers, including Frank, take that stance and show that miracles do not contradict physics a bit, since physics studies a closed system of known forces. Biology, for instance, says nothing about what would happen to a virgin&#8217;s body if an external force (certain power of God) acts upon her.</p>
<p>So I think that difficulties come from a simplistic understanding of Christianity and of ignoring the full consequences of things Christianity teaches, like free will.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 8. “Christian Anarchism: Communitarian or Capitalist?” by Michael Farruggia</title>
		<link>http://libertarianpapers.org/2012/8-salter-christian-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-6861</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Farruggia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 00:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Thomas Jefferson or Ben Franklin.... were able to reconcile the apparent contradiction between Christ’s command to renounce violence and His violent cleansing of the temple.  I also wonder if it was their shedding light on the divergence between Christian anarcho-communitarians and Christian anarcho-capitalists that led to this GREAT country?  Nice Job on the paper!!........ e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Thomas Jefferson or Ben Franklin&#8230;. were able to reconcile the apparent contradiction between Christ’s command to renounce violence and His violent cleansing of the temple.  I also wonder if it was their shedding light on the divergence between Christian anarcho-communitarians and Christian anarcho-capitalists that led to this GREAT country?  Nice Job on the paper!!&#8230;&#8230;.. e</p>
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		<title>Comment on 8. “Christian Anarchism: Communitarian or Capitalist?” by matt johansen</title>
		<link>http://libertarianpapers.org/2012/8-salter-christian-anarchism/comment-page-1/#comment-6860</link>
		<dc:creator>matt johansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think an additional stumbling block for anarcho-captitalists is reconciling self-ownership and Christianity. If self-ownership is defeated then private property is placed on shaky ground, and so on. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 claims our bodies belong to God. In context they are talking about sexual morality but if God can rightly claim ownership of your body as a temple to be made clean what would prevent him from claiming ownership for your work to further his Kingdom?

When it comes down to just gut feelings I think God very much agrees with personal property because it allows us to exercise free will and surrender our posessions and desires to God's glory. God wants us to live like like communitarians but it only serves his design if we have the ability to live like capitalists. The parable of the talents seems to demonstrate this but again if we cannot establish self ownership biblically then we have no basis. Natural law is, in my opinion, insufficient to use as the basis. Similarly if we accept that God/Jesus performed miracles, being generally, temporarily suspending the laws of physical science, than we see that even something as settled as gravity becomes subordinate to God's will. How can natural law then bind/legitamize our actions when water can be turned to wine and women to salt? We trust physics and the comfort that we will not float out of our beds in the morning and likewise we can trust that natural law holds but without a biblical linchpin of self-ownership we simply act on faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think an additional stumbling block for anarcho-captitalists is reconciling self-ownership and Christianity. If self-ownership is defeated then private property is placed on shaky ground, and so on. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 claims our bodies belong to God. In context they are talking about sexual morality but if God can rightly claim ownership of your body as a temple to be made clean what would prevent him from claiming ownership for your work to further his Kingdom?</p>
<p>When it comes down to just gut feelings I think God very much agrees with personal property because it allows us to exercise free will and surrender our posessions and desires to God&#8217;s glory. God wants us to live like like communitarians but it only serves his design if we have the ability to live like capitalists. The parable of the talents seems to demonstrate this but again if we cannot establish self ownership biblically then we have no basis. Natural law is, in my opinion, insufficient to use as the basis. Similarly if we accept that God/Jesus performed miracles, being generally, temporarily suspending the laws of physical science, than we see that even something as settled as gravity becomes subordinate to God&#8217;s will. How can natural law then bind/legitamize our actions when water can be turned to wine and women to salt? We trust physics and the comfort that we will not float out of our beds in the morning and likewise we can trust that natural law holds but without a biblical linchpin of self-ownership we simply act on faith.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 5. “Man and Matter: How the Former Gains Ownership of the Latter” by Ashley Cook</title>
		<link>http://libertarianpapers.org/2012/5-bylund-man-and-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-6854</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashley Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ownership is a myth, a fairy-tale. If the relation of ownership is not observable in a state of affairs, then it arises by ascription or utterance.

Simply ascribing ownership to B doesn't establish the state of affairs where B owns this and therefore doesn't establish the truth of the sentence "B owns this" just as simply saying "The cat is sitting on the mat" doesn't establish the state of affairs where the cat is sitting on the mat and therefore doesn't establish the truth of the sentence "The cat is sitting on the mat". The process is one of magical incantation.

As far as self-ownership is concerned, I take it that the operative sentence is "I own myself". However, I am myself and you are yourself. Ownership is irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ownership is a myth, a fairy-tale. If the relation of ownership is not observable in a state of affairs, then it arises by ascription or utterance.</p>
<p>Simply ascribing ownership to B doesn&#8217;t establish the state of affairs where B owns this and therefore doesn&#8217;t establish the truth of the sentence &#8220;B owns this&#8221; just as simply saying &#8220;The cat is sitting on the mat&#8221; doesn&#8217;t establish the state of affairs where the cat is sitting on the mat and therefore doesn&#8217;t establish the truth of the sentence &#8220;The cat is sitting on the mat&#8221;. The process is one of magical incantation.</p>
<p>As far as self-ownership is concerned, I take it that the operative sentence is &#8220;I own myself&#8221;. However, I am myself and you are yourself. Ownership is irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 1. “Moundsville Penitentiary Reconsidered: Second Thoughts on Hyperreality at a Small Town Prison Tour” by Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 23:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just recently in the prison for the first time and I live in the area. i was not on a tour. i can't openly tell you why I was there aside of the fact that i was doing some work in the what was the maximum security area. i also know of a few people who were guards there and they say it wasn't as bad as every one claims but of course they went home every night. 
  On the other hand it was a prison. Maybe if more prisons were like that and people really understood what their life would be like if they commit a crime against humanity such as murder or raping children they would think twice before committing an act of that nature. Then again some people are just crazy and don't care.
  I do see your point about the very old days when people carried side arms but to be honest with you in the state of WV you can openly carry a side arm today as well as in many other states. you only need a concealed carry license to carry a concealed fire arm. You have to use judgement before taking a life today just as you did back then in the old days. if you can't prove self defense then you are going to prison.
  Keep me updated..I would like to read your book. I can tell you why I was there some time in early 2014.
                                 thanks  Robert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just recently in the prison for the first time and I live in the area. i was not on a tour. i can&#8217;t openly tell you why I was there aside of the fact that i was doing some work in the what was the maximum security area. i also know of a few people who were guards there and they say it wasn&#8217;t as bad as every one claims but of course they went home every night.<br />
  On the other hand it was a prison. Maybe if more prisons were like that and people really understood what their life would be like if they commit a crime against humanity such as murder or raping children they would think twice before committing an act of that nature. Then again some people are just crazy and don&#8217;t care.<br />
  I do see your point about the very old days when people carried side arms but to be honest with you in the state of WV you can openly carry a side arm today as well as in many other states. you only need a concealed carry license to carry a concealed fire arm. You have to use judgement before taking a life today just as you did back then in the old days. if you can&#8217;t prove self defense then you are going to prison.<br />
  Keep me updated..I would like to read your book. I can tell you why I was there some time in early 2014.<br />
                                 thanks  Robert</p>
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		<title>Comment on 27. “Milton Friedman &amp; the Human Good” by Milton Fridman i moralno dobro » Katalaksija</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milton Fridman i moralno dobro » Katalaksija</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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