Mediawiki Wave

#Wave from #Google to #Apache ?

2010-11-28T18:52:00.000+01:00

When Google ended its development of Wave as a product, they promised to fulfil their promise and make Wave open source. As Wave is very much thinking outside the box of dated technology, it is encouraging that Apache is considering to adopt Wave as an Apache incubator project.

With Wave as a truly open source project, new opportunities appear. There are developers who just come along and start contributing to the code and with Wave as an Apache project it benefits from an organisational support that is credible.

With Wave open source, there is one other aspect that is vital for it to become a success; internationalisation and localisation. Google told us that they were ready to provide localisation support for the core product. Now that it will run at Apache, it becomes possible to internationalise and localise robots as well.

We live in interesting times and with Wave becoming "Wave in a box" the promise of a new paradigm is not lost.
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GerardM

Hmm, lets chuckle

2010-09-09T19:31:00.001+02:00

onefte.com

Wave goodbye

2010-08-05T07:45:00.000+02:00

Sheer brilliance was not enough, it is curtains for Wave. Bits and bobs are likely to appear in Google products but the whole notion of Wave as the next generation, game changing product is not going to be realised.

For us Wave proved itself quickly; it was easy to produce a WYSWYG interface for MediaWiki. This generated a lot of interest in many places, it had us generate a lot of air miles and we had something to show and tell.

For us there were a few issues that were not resolved to our satisfaction. Our aim was to provide a WYSWYG interface for MediaWiki and this meant that our complete solution had to be open source. This took just too long, there were understandable reasons but it killed interest in the Wikimedia Foundation. As the Wave interface was to be used for Wikipedia, it was just not acceptable that there was no way to internationalise and localise Wave and its extensions.

I am sad that it is over, here is finally a video with Erik Schmidt talking about the demise of Wave..The sound quality is poor..

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GerardM

Can we use Wave to edit MediaWiki on a mobile ?

2010-03-02T07:53:00.000+01:00

I spend quite a lot of time helping the Mobile Wikipedia become more prominent. I learned a lot from doing this so I consider it time well spend. The number of languages with sufficient localisation has gone up from 20 to 52 or 34 depending on how you count. We created some concept mobile main pages and we requested the implementation of two main pages for two Wikipedias.

The software used is build in Ruby on Rails and it is developed separate from MediaWiki. It is currently useful to read Wikipedia articles, you cannot edit and you can not sign on or set personal preferences.

The MediaWikiWave project proved the concept that it is possible to create a WYSIWYG interface for MediaWiki. We have a functional editor for MediaWiki, the question is will it also work on a mobile phone, the question is will it also work with other languages and scripts.

I expect that for Wave to succeed, it will support both mobile phones and other languages and scripts. We have been told that internationalisation is part of the core MediaWiki functionality, and as I argued earlier, internationalisation and localisation need proper support for bots and gadgets as well. The one thing I am not sure about is mobile telephone support. What I do expect is, if not great then rapidly improving, support in Chrome and on Android and Chrome OS devices.
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GerardM

Internationalisation is an architecture

2010-02-11T14:32:00.000+01:00

The #wave internationalisation and localisation is said to be planned for the future. I believe that this will be true for the core product. However, this does not give me the confidence I need for the robots and gadgets that are build by all the people outside Google.

When you look at the Etherpad software, you will find that it has not been internationalised and consequently it is estimated to be some 3 to 6 weeks of work to introduce internationalisation to the code. I expect that a similar situation exists for the robots and gadgets but the problem is more complicated because of the many developers involved.

Internationalisation is an architecture and consequently it should be part of the design not only for the core code but also for everything else. A good example of how this should be done can be found at translatewiki.net where software like MediaWiki and StatusNet are localised. Both these applications have extensions and for MediaWiki almost all extensions are localised as a matter of cause. The first extensions for StatusNet are appearing at translatewiki.net and, it will prove a lot of work to get them internationalised and ready for localisation.

It would be great if a road plan for the total internationalisation for both Wave and its gadgets and robots would be published.. It may be even an idea to consider translatewiki.net, it boasts a community that aims to support over 250 languages...
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GerardM

Why people do not get Wave ...

2010-02-11T12:15:00.000+01:00

With the release of Google buzz, many publications write that people do not get Wave. They write that it is not widely adopted and consequently a "failure".

My answer to this is: "Wave is not ready yet!!". The idea of Wave is that it is a federated system defined by an open protocol, using open standards and published as open source.

Wave is alpha software, the protocol is not complete and the source is neither complete nor published. Wave is functional because it can be used. To some extend you can develop add-on functionality but realistically only for the published parts.

When Wave is functionally complete, when both the complete protocol and the source code are published it will be the time when developers and companies can start using Wave for real and make it their own.
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GerardM

#Wave does not work with a bare IE

2010-01-17T11:01:00.001+01:00

I am at my sister's home today without my laptop. I wanted to finish a blogpost .. I tried to start Wave and I got the following screen. As I never use Internet Explorer, I do not really know it to be new. In a time where the problems with IE have had the German government advise on its use, I think it is significant..
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GerardM

Thinking about ChromeOS

2009-11-23T15:51:00.002+01:00

I have read what many pundits have to say about the Chrome OS. I have read what they had to say before and after the press conference and, there is a bewildering array of opinions.

The computers that comply with the hardware specifications, will have to deal with Wave and as netbooks are often considered as computers with insufficient specifications, I expect that there will be a range of hardware ready for "must have" applications and I expect that they will all do nicely. Wave has improved a lot in stability and performance in the last months anyway..

There is much ado about "market share". I do not really care except that I expect it to become important for the adoption of open standards. Important as well is that Chrome OS is a Linux distribution, it is open source. As developers of Canonical are involved in the development of Chrome OS, it is obvious that Linux development in general will benefit.

With Chrome OS user data will be very much stored on the web, local storage will be very much a cache that can and will be deleted when need be. My "wet dream" for Wave is still a possibility, I however want it not just as part of a Chrome OS, but also as part of the browser and not just the Chrome browser.
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GerardM

MediaWiki conference uses Wave to work on minutes

2009-11-09T15:28:00.000+01:00

Last weekend there was a get together of people involved in the media repository of the Wikimedia Foundation, "Commons". This was the kind of meeting where people work/discuss and when a session is done, someone is to report on the proceedings.

Given that MediaWiki is what the Wikimedia Foundation develops, it was interesting to learn that most people had a Wave account and, preferred to use Wave for its collaborative editing ability.

It sure did make us a group more productive.
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GerardM

Federation is tested at WaveSandbox.com

2009-11-03T09:04:00.000+01:00

Federation is about how do you get multiple Wave servers to share and synchronise content. Conceptually, it is one of the aspects that makes Wave relevant. With federation and it being Open Source, it means that we will be able to have our own Wave servers and just like with e-mail we decide what we share.

In his post to the wave-protocol group, Dan Petersen announced that experimenting with federation can now start. At this stage it is only for developers and as I understand from Tom, it is still pretty rocky; the code does not want to compile on our box.

For the MediaWikiWave project it is important that we will have our own server because in this use case Wave is connected to a MediaWiki publishing back end. Changes may originate on another Wave server, but ultimately the robot will only run on the local server.

The one question I have about the federation protocol is how Wave will recover for the other servers when the server who originated a wave crashes beyond repair.
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GerardM

The Complete Guide to Google Wave

2009-11-02T09:56:00.000+01:00

The dust has not settled, the code is still being written, the software / functionality is still very much alpha but the first book for Wave has arrived. The Complete guide to Google Wave does a good job at explaining about what Wave actually is today.

Defining what Wave is, is hard because it means different things to different people. At first it was "e-mail redone with the experience of today", it proved necessary to cut the link to e-mail so that it could become its own thing and for me, I concentrate on Wave as the editing front end to a MediaWiki back end.

The book as it is available today, is the "preview edition", it has its home on a MediaWiki wiki and, it is billed as a work in progress. At that it fits in nicely with the collaborative editing that is the great strength of Wave. Consider, the people that find this important are likely and fall in love with Wave are also the people what are interested in writing the book on Wave. The GoogleWave extension allows for the inclusion of a Wave on a MediaWiki page show Wave to all the people who have not been invited yet.

When you want to learn more about Wave, do read the book, it is well worth it.
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GerardM

Wave is not to replace e-mail ... yet

2009-10-29T10:30:00.001+01:00

At the Google meeting in Amsterdam, one of the most interesting fact about Wave for me was about Wave and e-mail. While it has always been said that Wave is "how we would build e-mail today", today Wave keeps its distance from e-mail.

Wave presents a different paradigm from e-mail and this paradigm needs to evolve. In order to do so, it needs to keep a distance because otherwise it is particularly the e-mail associated aspects that improve.

Lars and Stephanie explained that in an earlier incarnation, Wave did include much functionality with e-mail in mind but that proved to hinder rather then help the development of the Wave paradigm, so they binned it. Similar functionality may be added later and will probably be added by another party.

This is similar to what we do with MediaWiki, our approach is that Wave provides superior editing while MediaWiki provides superior publishing. Our challenge is to appreciate these different strengths and bring them together. As long as we do not need to touch the MediaWiki functionality, there is the easy upgrade path for Wikipedia that we seek.

Our challenge is to find ways in Wave to leave MediaWiki alone and interface and provide necessary functionality in Wave. Some things are still missing; internationalisation and localisations is crucial not only for the core product but also for the robots. The use of MediaWiki authentication and authorisation, including blocks, is crucial. As crucial is the availability of the Wave code so that we can play with the look and feel, add toolbars and add to the toolbars. The fun thing is that our use case provides the Wave developers with concrete challenges. It has already served to punch holes in some theories and help improve them.

All in all, Wave is awesome and it was wonderful and productive to meet in person.
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GerardM

15 features in five minutes

2009-10-24T09:08:00.001+02:00

A nice video that demonstrate 15 features in five minutes... Well worth it !

My Wave wet dream

2009-10-16T10:16:00.001+02:00

I have been asked several times where I see Wave go. The last time I was asked where I see Wave in 5 years time.. not Internet years. What I did was look hard at Wave for what it does, and look at Google for the kind of things it has been doing.

For me, Wave is an environment where the functionality of e-mail, chat, wiki comes together. What we have done in the MediaWikiWave project is provide Wave with a publishing back end. This is something that MediaWiki does really well. I expect that Wave will continue to integrate parts of the puzzle that is computer software and data.

Google is getting into operating systems with its Chrome OS. Add to this Moore's law and in five years time a computer with Chrome OS, with over a terabyte of storage is not a wild idea at all.

When something like a terabyte is used for caching, I can imagine that this cache is maintained by Wave. In this cache you find e-mail, Wavelets, Wiki pages and other information that is of interest to a user. Wave being Wave, will cache this information and updates it in the background. This information will be available on request.

Wave in its architecture allows for multiple servers. It is not necessary to know on what server a particular Wavelet is available. I think that a user is not that interested in any particular server, he is interested in the data being available. Only when the data is manipulated is there a need for immediate feed back to servers or other computers.

I think this is doable. Part of the cache is already there in Google Gears and this makes this vision evolutionary progress.
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GerardM

Wave and education

2009-10-13T21:54:00.000+02:00

We met at the first class restaurant at the Amsterdam central station and we discussed the potential of Wave in an educational setting. As you can imagine, many issues with Wave were discussed but the question was: "Is Wave ready for an experimental course where educators try to find out if Wave is a tool that makes sense in education".

When Wave is to be used in education, Wave itself will not be the subject and in this experiment it will be. The audience if the experiment will be educators who are interested to learn if the new paradigm that Wave presents is this leap forward. Such an experiment does not necessarily require everything that is needed for students: internationalisation and localisation can be left for later, it will be easy to find the necessary Wave invites. Functionality that makes sense in an educational setting like new content that is triggered either by the teacher of by conditions can be left for later as well.

We need to learn if Wave adds value. When it does and, we believe it will, the other open issues will need to be addressed as well. First we have to learn if Wave can enthuse educators.
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GerardM

Promissing prototype..

2009-09-30T00:55:00.001+02:00

On the Wave page of "Featured prototypes", there is also room for a few promissing prototypes.. We are really pleased that our MediaWiki-Wave software has made the grade.

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GerardM

Don't stop me now, I am having a good time ...

2009-09-29T15:10:00.000+02:00

There are several things that are not so nice in MediaWiki, edit conflicts is one and wikitext is another. The MediaWiki Wave project is happy to show you that edit conflicts and several types of wikitext can be a thing of the past.

Wave provides a great colloborative editing interface, with a realtext interface. This is the MediaWiki that everybody can edit.. :)
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Gerard

Meet Mr Murphy

2009-09-28T16:59:00.000+02:00

Today we are to produce a little bit of video about our MediaWiki Wave product. Everything was working, we had two bits of code that were trivial to merge.. but it was not.

When code is alpha, things change and Wave is still very much alpha software. Tom is working hard to get rid of errors and to get the functionality to work again. The deadline for delivering our video is nigh.

So Murphy is not welcome.. Please Mr Murphy go away !!
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GerardM

Going walkabout

2009-09-16T13:24:00.000+02:00

One of the persistent noises at Wikimedia mailing lists are those made by those who see a conspiracy everywhere. Who always assume things that there is more to the story. One target that is increasingly considered evil is Google, even though one of Google's aims is not to be evil. And given their size, it is assumed that everything is targeted to bring about world domination.

The one “attempt at world domination” that I personally hope will succeed is Wave. I love it because it brings so many aspects together of applications that are on their own incomplete and/or dysfunctional like e-mail, forums, chat and wikis. For me, Wave provides a platform, a protocol that is intended to be extended. It allows you to add to it and make it better like we are doing with the MediaWiki Wave interface. This is possible because people are invited to add to the Wave protocol as long as they implement the functionality described on the public reference implementation as well. All the resulting software will be available under a free license and consequently even the FSF is interested in how Wave evolves.

World domination requires an evil genius but the genius behind Wave are Lars and Jens Rasmussen. They had enough of being the big guys behind Google Maps and decided to do something new. Their thing was to do technical things and not grow pointy hair. They called their project Walkabout... Walkabout is this Australian thing where you remove yourself from civilisation to experience the world to come back and tell about it.

They certainly told the world about it. They renamed Walkabout Wave and they mixed and merged many of the paradigms of computer communication; e-mail, chat and used that as a starting point because they also brought Wiki and collaborative editing in the mix.

Wave is heady stuff. I find I am still grappling with its potential because while on the one hand it provides a much richer experience then e-mail or chat, the interface on the other hand suggests that it is still centred on small groups of people sharing the environment. In most environments, business or personal that makes sense.

We are however integrating Wave with MediaWiki. Wikipedia articles can have hundreds of contributors and they do not really know each other. In a wiki all articles are mine to edit, the authorisation is not based on me as an individual but on me as part of a group. What we already demonstrate in our project are the immense benefits Wave provides. As we progress it becomes clear that the inclusion of a Wiki in an environment that started of with the merger of the electronic equivalents of a letter and a telephone conversation is similar to throwing a newspaper into the mix.

We have to get this right because how else are we going to conquer the world
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GerardM

Rigged demos

2009-09-15T10:36:00.000+02:00

When you demo, you show a scenario. You know how to wow the public and you consider what is of interest and makes people anticipate the moment when they can get their hands on the code. The moment of truth, when the software is not used within a scenario, where the article that is edited is no longer called "elephant", but can be any article.

Consequently, it is no longer convenient to hard code "elephant" because people might want to write an article called "tsunami" or "spring tide" when they think that "wave" is a bit tame. There are five such hard coded gotchas. In stead of a predetermined solution, we want the same flexibility as in all Wikis; you determine the name of the article.

So our demoes are rigged, but we are removing the rigging and make it what you see is what you get.
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GerardM

Preparing for some serious testing

2009-09-11T09:59:00.000+02:00

We are really happy to welcome 50 testers from Combat testing to our roster of people willing to test what we are developing for the MediaWiki Wave interface.

So first an update, we have code that does syntax highlighting. Templates are no longer a real problem and neither are citations. What is a problem is to make a button that allows people to switch from WYSIWYG to Wiki syntax and vice versa. It is quite crucial that we get over this hump because it prevents us from rolling out new functionality.

In addition to the 50 testers from Combat testing, we have 9 Wikimedians willing to test. Nie who either asked for a profile at Wikimania or asked for a Wave account. Only nine of the original fifteen people registered at our forum as asked. We have indications that all 15 now have a Wave account. So when you did not do so, please register at the Forum.

The testing plan will consist of two phases:

get baseline measurements on the usability of the first iteration of the WYSIWYG functionality and learn/ask what should be / could be different
get measurements on the usability once the lessons learned are incorporated in the WYSIWYG functionality

We hope / expect that by Monday we will have something to show for our efforts.
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GerardM

Happy birthday Tom

2009-09-07T11:41:00.000+02:00

In the Wikipedias it is quite normal to show appreciation by giving people a "barnstar". His parents must appreciate Tom a lot because they gave him the ultimate barnstar; a star of his own.

The HPG818672, has been named "Tom Maaswinkel"..
Happy birthday Tom !!
Gerard

Who you gonna call

2009-09-02T21:09:00.000+02:00

When you get a screen like this, it is rather frustrating .... What to do, who to call??
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GerardM

Google Amsterdam

2009-09-02T13:00:00.001+02:00

When Tom learned that Douwe Osinga was in the Netherlands, it was a great opportunity to seek a meeting and learn what the time line is for Wave.

If one thing is clear, it is that by the end of September 100.000 people will gain access to the Wave environment. Beyond that a lot of hard work is still to be done to make Wave ready. For us in the MediaWiki Wave project, it is clear that we will not wait for the APIs that will be ready in "two weeks". What we can do is sanitise the existing code, and include new functionality like the syntax highlighter written by Kim. There are plenty of things we can add to our code, using MediaWiki authentication is one of them and we will.

When you meet people like Douwe, it is a great moment to ask and inform about the issues on our end as well. There are two key show stoppers that will prevent adoption of Wave in the Wikimedia Foundation they are:

Wave must be published open source
Wave must include internationalisation infrastructure

In the way Google is developing Wave, they want to provide a stable product that will provide people a stable basis for further development. Some of the software provides this basis and this allowed for our project while other parts are just not ready. This is a reasonable rationale but it is equaly understandable that the WMF will not adopt software that is not published open source.

Given that there are Wikipedias in over 250 languages, all software has to be internationalised. At this time, the core Wave functionality includes the message structures that provide the basic building blocks for internationalisation. It is not clear how these building blocks are to be used in our software. It is not yet clear how we will interface with the Wave data; in MediaWiki we distinguish between the language of the content and the language of the interface. Wave does allow for multiple languages in the content.

What will be interesting is how we will resolve the issues we have with projects that use incorrect language codes. This is an issue that the WMF should address anyway. The easiest option would be to support only those projects with advanced software that conform to the relevant standards.
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GerardM

The presentation

2009-08-31T21:58:00.000+02:00

I had hoped to publish both the presentation and the video of our presentation at Wikimania 2009 at the same time. As it is, the video has not yet been uploaded and I do not want to wait with providing you with the presentation.

The presentation went well. We did well to test the environment before the presentation; we had a glitch that was easily solvedas there was not the stress of a public watching.

When you introduce completely new functionality, it is important to inform and involve as much as possible. We found that there was a lot of interest for what we had to bring. Many people indicated that they were interested to test the Wave approach and many of the developers were interested in a Wave Sandbox account.
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GerardM

Media Wiki Wave

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