<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:blogger='http://schemas.google.com/blogger/2008' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005" xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122</id><updated>2024-11-01T10:37:56.801+00:00</updated><category term="Life"/><category term="Christian Walk"/><category term="Christian Doctrine"/><category term="Current Affairs"/><category term="Reviews"/><category term="Emotions"/><category term="Film/TV"/><category term="Video"/><category term="Apologetics"/><category term="Music"/><category term="Creationism"/><category term="Richard Dawkins"/><category term="Stereotypes"/><category term="John Piper"/><category term="Healing"/><category term="Blogging"/><category term="Evolution Debate"/><category term="Casting Crowns"/><category term="Calvinism/Arminianism"/><category term="Humanism"/><category term="Humour/Jokes"/><category term="Prayer"/><category term="Suffering"/><category term="Technology"/><category term="Gender Differences"/><category term="Persecution"/><category term="Addictions"/><category term="Humility"/><category term="Mark Driscoll"/><category term="Pride"/><category term="Substitutionary Atonement"/><category term="Big Brother"/><category term="Election/Predestination"/><category term="Jesus Culture"/><category term="Politics"/><category term="Theology"/><category term="Tina Dico"/><category term="Abortion"/><category term="Bill Johnson"/><category term="Chris Quilala"/><category term="Cornwall"/><category term="Kim Walker"/><category term="UK Election 2010"/><category term="Vista"/><category term="Bullying"/><category term="Cats"/><category term="Depression"/><category term="Extroversion"/><category term="Holy Spirit"/><category term="Idolatry"/><category term="Introversion"/><category term="Maria Mena"/><category term="Matthew Paul Turner"/><category term="Muse"/><category term="Sam Storms"/><category term="Snow"/><category term="Terry Virgo"/><category term="Wayne Grudem"/><category term="Worship"/><category term="iOS4"/><category term="iPhone"/><title type='text'>Men Have Emotions too! Diary of my walk in faith!</title><subtitle type='html'>Life, Love, Faith, Reviews, Whatever comes to Mind to write about.&#xa;&#xa;&quot;God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in Him&quot; - John Piper, Desiring God.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>178</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-9062329205503693376</id><published>2014-02-04T09:03:00.000+00:00</published><updated>2014-02-05T08:37:08.885+00:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Bullying"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Depression"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Emotions"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Healing"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Prayer"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Pride"/><title type='text'>Where Were You?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; color: black; display: inline !important; float: none; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;&quot;&gt;Where were you, when the bullies pushed me down&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Where were you, when I lay bleeding on the ground&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, when their words cut me so deep&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, when there were no more tears to weep&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, with words of comfort and of peace&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, with loving arms to sit beneath&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, to hold my hand in all the pain&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, when I was crying in my shame&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, I was alone and in the dark&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, separation leaves its mark&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, when I could look no one in the eye&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, when I was just left asking why&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, to celebrate my special days&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, pride just gets in the way&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, to share triumph and success&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, to give me guidance in the mess&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, did you really just not care&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, a child&#39;s life their dreams to share&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, I built a wall around my heart&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, for no&amp;nbsp;acknowledgement&amp;nbsp;of your part&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, then Jesus whispered in my ear&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, my child you need not fear&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, I have been with you all along&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, when you are weak there I am strong&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, I died for love upon that cross&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, I took your guilt and shame and loss&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, I rose again you&#39;re now my son&lt;/div&gt;
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Where were you, I&#39;ll never leave, forsake, I&#39;ve won&lt;br /&gt;
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(I claim artistic license for not putting in the question marks)&amp;nbsp; &lt;/div&gt;
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</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/9062329205503693376/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/9062329205503693376' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/9062329205503693376'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/9062329205503693376'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2014/02/where-were-you.html' title='Where Were You?'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-1694505600230136258</id><published>2013-09-08T22:07:00.000+01:00</published><updated>2013-09-08T22:07:26.643+01:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Walk"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Emotions"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Extroversion"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Introversion"/><title type='text'>Introverts, Business and the Church - Why is the world geared towards Extroverts? The cost of being an Introvert.</title><content type='html'>

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&lt;span style=&quot;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; color: black; display: inline !important; float: none; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;&quot;&gt;I&amp;nbsp;recently&amp;nbsp;heard an interview on the Simon Mayo Drive Time show on Radio 2 that I found&amp;nbsp;particularly&amp;nbsp;interesting. It was an interview with an American author called Susan Cain who had written a book called &#39;Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can&#39;t Stop Talking&#39; (review&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/mar/22/quiet-power-introverts-susan-cain-review&quot; style=&quot;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;&quot;&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; color: black; display: inline !important; float: none; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;&quot;&gt;). We live in a world that, &#39;she argues, excessively and misguidedly respects extroverts. We make them our bosses and our political leaders. We foolishly admire their self-help books....&#39; (from review linked above). Also from that review the reviewer makes the point from the book that &#39;We introverts attempt to emulate extroverts, and the stress of not being &quot;true to ourselves&quot; can make us physically and mentally ill&#39;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; color: black; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;&quot;&gt;
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Now I work for a large American IT company and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that in the&amp;nbsp;business&amp;nbsp;world that I have experience of that could not be more true. I think it is also fair to say that being an IT Techy I also come&amp;nbsp;across,&amp;nbsp;I guess, a higher number of Introverts than there are say in other lines of business or professions. However, that being said, the company as a whole is very much geared towards Extroverts. The way the yearly personal reviews are measured, promotions gained and generally moving on up are geared very much to being easier for Extroverts than for Introverts to achieve.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
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So before I move on let me put some sort of definition to the meaning of the terms Introvert and Extrovert as they are commonly misunderstood to mean a loud person and a shy quiet person which is not at all what they mean. So here is what Wikipedia has to say about the two:&lt;/div&gt;
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Extraversion is &quot;the act, state, or habit of being predominantly concerned with and obtaining gratification from what is outside the self&quot;.&lt;sup&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introvert#cite_note-mw-4&quot;&gt;[4]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Extroverts tend to enjoy human interactions and to be&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enthusiastic&quot; title=&quot;Enthusiastic&quot;&gt;enthusiastic&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talkative&quot; title=&quot;Talkative&quot;&gt;talkative&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assertive&quot; title=&quot;Assertive&quot;&gt;assertive&lt;/a&gt;, and&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gregarious&quot; title=&quot;wiktionary:gregarious&quot;&gt;gregarious&lt;/a&gt;. They take pleasure in activities that involve large social gatherings, such as parties, community activities, public demonstrations, and business or political groups. Politics, teaching, sales, managing and brokering are fields that favor extroversion. An extroverted person is likely to enjoy time spent with people and find less reward in time spent alone. They tend to be energized when around other people, and they are more prone to boredom when they are by themselves.&lt;br /&gt;
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Introversion is &quot;the state of or tendency toward being wholly or predominantly concerned with and interested in one&#39;s own mental life&quot;.&lt;sup&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introvert#cite_note-mw-4&quot;&gt;[4]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Some popular writers have characterized introverts as people whose&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_%28psychological%29&quot; title=&quot;Energy (psychological)&quot;&gt;energy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;tends to expand through reflection and dwindle during interaction.&lt;sup&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introvert#cite_note-5&quot;&gt;[5]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;This is similar to Jung&#39;s view, although he focused on psychic energy rather than physical energy. Few modern conceptions make this distinction.&lt;br /&gt;
The common modern perception is that introverts tend to be more reserved and less outspoken in groups. They often take pleasure in solitary activities such as reading, writing, using computers,&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiking&quot; title=&quot;Hiking&quot;&gt;hiking&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;and&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing&quot; title=&quot;Fishing&quot;&gt;fishing&lt;/a&gt;. The&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archetypal&quot; title=&quot;Archetypal&quot;&gt;archetypal&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist&quot; title=&quot;Artist&quot;&gt;artist&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writer&quot; title=&quot;Writer&quot;&gt;writer&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sculptor&quot; title=&quot;Sculptor&quot;&gt;sculptor&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer&quot; title=&quot;Engineer&quot;&gt;engineer&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composer&quot; title=&quot;Composer&quot;&gt;composer&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;and&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventor&quot; title=&quot;Inventor&quot;&gt;inventor&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;are all highly introverted. An introvert is likely to enjoy time spent alone and find less reward in time spent with large groups of people, though he or she may enjoy interactions with close friends. Trust is usually an issue of significance: a virtue of utmost importance to introverts is choosing a worthy&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Companionship&quot; title=&quot;Companionship&quot;&gt;companion&lt;/a&gt;. They prefer to concentrate on a single activity at a time and like to observe situations before they participate, especially observed in developing children and adolescents.&lt;sup&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introvert#cite_note-intro-6&quot;&gt;[6]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;They are more analytical before speaking.&lt;sup&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introvert#cite_note-Laney.2C_Marti_Olsen_2002-7&quot;&gt;[7]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Introverts are easily overwhelmed by too much stimulation from social gatherings and engagement, introversion having even been&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;defined&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;by some in terms of a preference for a quiet, more minimally stimulating environment.&lt;sup&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introvert#cite_note-CainQuiet-8&quot;&gt;[8]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Introversion is not seen as being identical to&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shyness&quot; title=&quot;Shyness&quot;&gt;shyness&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;or to being a social outcast. Introverts&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;prefer&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;solitary activities over social ones, whereas shy people (who may be extraverts at heart) avoid social encounters out of fear.&lt;sup&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introvert#cite_note-9&quot;&gt;[9]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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For me the main difference has to be found in how a persons emotional energy is re-energised. Extroverts tend to be energized by being around groups of people, need the social interaction whereas Introverts are re-energised by being alone and away from social interaction or at least with very minimal numbers of people.&lt;/div&gt;
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Now I am a full on Introvert without any shadow of a doubt. I can also be shy when around large groups of people I do not know but Introversion very much defines how I interact with the world. That is not to say I am unsociable, though again I can at times be very unsociable verging on the rude when not in the mood to interact. At work I have to attend many meetings either face to face or over the phone and I am perfectly happy to talk and engage with the matters being discussed. However this is because we are talking with purpose and a goal. I know the reason for the interaction and generally in my work setting I know what I am talking about and can even at times come across fairly vocally&amp;nbsp;aggressively&amp;nbsp;when making a point or disagreeing with someone. This may not seem to be the&amp;nbsp;perceived&amp;nbsp;behaviour of an Introvert but this is where the&amp;nbsp;misunderstandings&amp;nbsp;come in. Introverts are not necessarily quiet and in some situations like I mentioned above are not quiet at all. However the cost comes in the emotional energy it takes to deal with those situations. If I have a day where I have had to attend many meetings or have a lot of personal interaction with other people it takes its toll on me emotionally. I will be drained and need some quiet and space in order to unwind and feel refreshed again. That is one of the main differences between us. An Extrovert may in fact be quite charged up by a day of that kind of social interaction and be ready for an evening of more of the same. The last thing an Introvert wants after a day like that would be to spend more time with people.&lt;/div&gt;
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This is where I find the business world is not at all geared towards Introverts. Again I point out that IT seems to attract more Introverts than many other professions so I am often with like minded folks. However I am generally required to have that outgoing, confident, expressive persona most of the time whereas often I just want to be left alone and talk to no one. At work I need space, time out from hustle and bustle, to be away from&amp;nbsp;interruption&amp;nbsp;and interaction. I find it incredibly difficult and irritating, if I am focussed on a particular problem, to be required to switch to something else then back again. Now fortunately for me, I can work these needs into my day. I work from home some days which is a particular blessing. Complete peace and quiet.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
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So that is a tiny window into life as an Introvert in an Extrovert business environment. But what is it like for an Introvert in a modern large Evangelical church environment? This is where it gets tricky. Shorts of just turning up to a main Sunday service and leaving straight after, church is&amp;nbsp;entirely&amp;nbsp;geared towards social interaction. Even walking in to a large meeting on a Sunday&amp;nbsp;morning&amp;nbsp;can be a daunting task for an Introvert, especially if one is also Shy. Generally at the end of a meeting there is tea and coffee to be had where far greater social interaction is expected and needed. There are mid week meetings with say groups of up to fifteen as well as other opportunities to meet up.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
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Remember it is not that an Introvert hates social interaction in large groups, it is that it is an emotionally draining experience for them. There is only so much group interaction that an Introvert can cope with before the desire to run away kicks in and to get as far away as possible from people. For me when I am tired, which seems to be most of the time at the moment since having a child, I have very little emotional energy in reserve. Therefore evening meetings are particularly draining for me when I have been at work all day. Now sometimes I lead a small group evening and do some bible teaching which I greatly enjoy. But the evening is then a known quantity. I am for all intents and purposes in control but on evenings where I am not leading I can easily just sit there and not speak. It comes across as aloof and unsociable but most often it is simply I have no&amp;nbsp;energy&amp;nbsp;to engage socially. On just social evenings I am awkward and don&#39;t know what to say to people. I will often latch on to a particular person who I may know or have common ground with and would quite happily talk to them all evening. I am happy and comfortable one on one but not at all when there are many people and the requirement is to socially engage. At the end of an evening like that I will be completely drained and just want to go home and be alone (and sometimes not just at the end of the evening).&lt;/div&gt;
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Conversely I could spend the entire day with one of my closest friends and feel very energised and not at all drained. The expectation is different and it take far less energy to be with someone who knows you very well. I am far happier in a group of one or two. Any larger than that and it gets draining and unless I am very awake and energized I will not enjoy being in such a group.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
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Now I may be a fairly extreme introvert and I am not writing this because I have answers to these issues facing Introverts in a business or church setting. I am writing simply to open the door on the world of the Introvert which I think is often misunderstood. To an extrovert I imagine what I have just written will seem utterly alien. Similar to how I feel when someone says &#39;Oh I just love being in a large group of people and socialising and could stay there all night&#39;.&lt;/div&gt;
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The business world and the Church community, though very different, both require of the Introvert a much greater investment of emotional energy to function effectively in and that is the main message I would want to get across.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
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To&amp;nbsp;Extroverts, if we are not enthusiastic&amp;nbsp;about&amp;nbsp;another big meeting, another opportunity to socially interact with others then please understand it is not necessarily that we don&#39;t care. If we are quiet and don&#39;t chat in a social gathering don&#39;t assume we are being rude or shy. We might just need a break, some solitude, something smaller. We may have had our fill of people that day, that week. Don&#39;t judge us by comparing us to how you feel as an Extrovert. To my Church family, I love you but frankly sometimes I don&#39;t want to be with you. Or not at that particular moment. I can also be rather melancholic at times and couple that with my Introversion sometimes the thought of lets face it pretending to be ok (and don&#39;t pretend you don&#39;t do it) is too much. Regardless of how much we say &#39;you can come as you are&#39; in church most of the time no one actually does. Everyone wears masks of some sort or another and for an Introvert wearing that mask can be an emotional killer. For an Introvert the church seems full of &#39;full on&#39; happy, loud Extroverts. Which can be the last place you want to be when you are weary. Either that or you just want to punch them, or is that just me?&lt;/div&gt;
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</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/1694505600230136258/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/1694505600230136258' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/1694505600230136258'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/1694505600230136258'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2013/09/introverts-business-and-church-why-is.html' title='Introverts, Business and the Church - Why is the world geared towards Extroverts? The cost of being an Introvert.'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-2098594284378380497</id><published>2012-10-08T22:13:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2012-10-08T22:13:11.368+01:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Doctrine"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Walk"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Emotions"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Life"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Prayer"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Substitutionary Atonement"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Video"/><title type='text'>Out in the Desert but not Alone!</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;Well I thought I would dust off the cobwebs of this here blog and write something since it is a ridiculous amount of time since I last posted anything.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Just thought I would share briefly where I am at. Yes I know you probably don’t care but it is simply for the reason of sharing two songs that I find so helpful when I am spiritually as dry as a bone baking in the desert sun. Which I am right now! We all go through dry times at various points in our spiritual walk and I am certainly no exception. In fact for me it is more a rule than an exception. Sometimes I am there out of my own doing because I am lazy and sinful and often chose the easy worldly options to feel better than the Road Less travelled of spiritual discipline in prayer and meditation on the Bible. Sometimes life kicks you there unexpectedly and before long you are walking round in circles in the sand. Currently both of those are probably true. I got kicked here at the beginning of the year and have stayed there because of the aforementioned.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;So what keeps me going in these parched and weary lands that I walk far too often. Firstly the grace of God. Simply if God did not keep me I would have walked away years ago. He sustains me somewhere deep down and stops me from walking away. Where else would I go? (John 6:66-69)&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;However I have two songs that I find bring me light in the darkness of the soul. First is the aptly titled ‘Desert Song’ by Hillsong. It is an honest statement of declaring praise to God in the midst of hunger and thirst and in spite of it. It reminds me not to rely on my feelings and to rest on the truth of who God is. Take my eyes of circumstances and lift them to the one who sustains all things.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Second song is ‘In Christ Alone’ by Stuart Townend. There is not a greater recent song that declares such deep biblical truth as this does. From beginning to end it encapsulates the Gospel of Jesus Christ so succinctly. For that reason alone it brings water to my soul and reminds me of the profound truth that I am saved by Grace Alone, through Faith Alone in Christ Alone! That is the rock upon which I stand knowing nothing I do can change that truth. How I feel does not change that truth. I cannot earn salvation so I need to flippin well stop acting like I can.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Anyway from one traveller to another I commend these songs to you. The Versions in the You Tube videos are by Natalie Grant simply because I like these versions best! Read the Words and listen to the songs and bathe in the eternal truths of scripture!&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;h2&gt;Desert Song&lt;/h2&gt;  &lt;p&gt;This is my prayer in the desert   &lt;br /&gt;When all that’s within me feels dry    &lt;br /&gt;This is my prayer in my hunger and need    &lt;br /&gt;My God is the God who provides    &lt;br /&gt;This is my prayer in the fire    &lt;br /&gt;In weakness or trial or pain    &lt;br /&gt;There is a faith proved of more worth than gold    &lt;br /&gt;So refine me Lord through the flame&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;CHORUS: &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;I will bring praise, I will bring praise   &lt;br /&gt;No weapon formed against me shall remain    &lt;br /&gt;I will rejoice, I will declare    &lt;br /&gt;God is my victory and He is here    &lt;br /&gt;This is my prayer in the battle    &lt;br /&gt;When triumph is still on its way    &lt;br /&gt;I am a conqueror and co-heir with Christ    &lt;br /&gt;So firm on His promise I’ll stand&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;CHORUS&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;BRIDGE: All of my life in every season   &lt;br /&gt;You are still God    &lt;br /&gt;I have a reason to sing    &lt;br /&gt;I have a reason to worship&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;CHORUS&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;This is my prayer in the harvest   &lt;br /&gt;When favour and providence flow    &lt;br /&gt;I know I’m filled to be emptied again    &lt;br /&gt;The seed I’ve received I will sow&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;h2&gt;In Christ Alone&lt;/h2&gt;  &lt;p&gt;In Christ alone my hope is found,   &lt;br /&gt;He is my light, my strength, my song;    &lt;br /&gt;this Cornerstone, this solid Ground,    &lt;br /&gt;firm through the fiercest drought and storm.    &lt;br /&gt;What heights of love, what depths of peace,    &lt;br /&gt;when fears are stilled, when strivings cease!    &lt;br /&gt;My Comforter, my All in All,    &lt;br /&gt;here in the love of Christ I stand.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;In Christ alone! who took on flesh   &lt;br /&gt;Fullness of God in helpless babe!    &lt;br /&gt;This gift of love and righteousness    &lt;br /&gt;Scorned by the ones he came to save:    &lt;br /&gt;Till on that cross as Jesus died,    &lt;br /&gt;The wrath of God was satisfied -    &lt;br /&gt;For every sin on Him was laid;    &lt;br /&gt;Here in the death of Christ I live.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;There in the ground His body lay   &lt;br /&gt;Light of the world by darkness slain:    &lt;br /&gt;Then bursting forth in glorious Day    &lt;br /&gt;Up from the grave he rose again!    &lt;br /&gt;And as He stands in victory    &lt;br /&gt;Sin&#39;s curse has lost its grip on me,    &lt;br /&gt;For I am His and He is mine -    &lt;br /&gt;Bought with the precious blood of Christ.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;No guilt in life, no fear in death,   &lt;br /&gt;This is the power of Christ in me;    &lt;br /&gt;From life&#39;s first cry to final breath.    &lt;br /&gt;Jesus commands my destiny.    &lt;br /&gt;No power of hell, no scheme of man,    &lt;br /&gt;Can ever pluck me from His hand;    &lt;br /&gt;Till He returns or calls me home,    &lt;br /&gt;Here in the power of Christ I&#39;ll stand.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;div style=&quot;padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; 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border-left: 0px; display: inline; margin-left: 0px; border-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; border-right: 0px&quot; title=&quot;Drwho_preview_clip_03c&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;Drwho_preview_clip_03c&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiKMC7CYTf5fyuBonXY3UZXuwabbe0tEcDhEL0Lx5vra33pQCDS9Yz2K27K4ScSlxguyWGfoXy_yflWYmDzYPbUzsptVIwQicIobkIeXau-jGdEUWhnJm1wayYBYNEXBnq0mS5ZSw/?imgmax=800&quot; width=&quot;230&quot; height=&quot;131&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;p&gt;This is not a review of the episode per se but some observations from it.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The recent episode of Dr Who was entitled ‘The God Complex’. This title was given to the Dr, by the Muslim character Rita, for taking charge and giving the impression that he could save everyone. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;h3&gt;Premise&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;h2&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;  &lt;h2&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The basic premise of the episode being that there was this creature that looked like a Minotaur that was very old indeed, had previously set itself up as a God on other planets, they then ‘grew out of’ their need for Gods and built this prison ship for the creature and sent it off on its merry way. The creature and ship formed a sort of symbiosis whereupon the ship scoured the galaxy for people with very strong faith and pulled them aboard whereupon the creature fed upon the energy of their faith once it was suitably invoked. This was done by the people being placed in a holographic 80’s Hotel with many rooms, each of which contained some deep rooted fear for the individual causing them to fall back on their faith.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;As an episode it was enjoyable and well done. Particularly David Walliams character who initially appeared as simply a cowardly amusing humanoid alien. Indeed the most invaded race in the Galaxy but actually turned out to be the most sinister, in that he would do anything to avoid being killed including betrayal. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The Tardis ended up there due to Amy’s total faith in the Doctor to save her.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;h3&gt;Theme of Faith&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;h3&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;h4 align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;‘everyone believes/puts their faith in something’&lt;/h4&gt;  &lt;p&gt;It is this theme of faith I wanted to comment on. According to the story it was people with a particularly strong faith in ‘something’ that resulted in them being taken. Whether it be a Muslims faith in God, a Gamblers faith in chance and luck or one persons faith in another, as per Amy in the Doctor. Interestingly the character of Rory was given the opportunity to leave as he apparently had no faith at all in anything (I disagree but I will come back to that).&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;What I found interesting is the observation that even in these times when ‘religious faith’ is seen to be on the wane, many people still believe in something. Dr Who confidential had an interview with the writer Toby Whithouse where he explained in more detail his thinking. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;However I believe this should more accurately be stated ‘everyone believes/puts their faith in something’. I believe it to be a universal constant that every human being firstly has faith and secondly puts that faith in something, someone or several different somethings or someones (sorry about the poor english there!).&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Put another way every human being gives themselves to the worship/idolisation of something or someone or to the aforementioned somethings or someones. But wait a minute, aren’t ‘Worship or Idolisation’ strong words to use. Yes they are very strong actively ‘doing’ words. They are not passive words at all and this is my point. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Let us define worship as ‘giving of oneself to’, ‘pouring oneself out to’ or ‘looking to XXXXX’ in order to provide meaning, security, worth to that person. The thing that when taken away would prove devastating to the person and is the thing that a person would most fight for if it was threatened.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;h3&gt;The Drive to Worship&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;p&gt;We all do it! It is a universal human desire to find security, meaning and worth for ourselves. This can be directed towards so many different things in this world and our culture is built around providing these things for us to feed on to satisfy those desires. Whether it be the ultimate relationship, sex, money, power, status, shopping, comfort, then next shiny toy, promotions, pride in ones house, pornography, drugs, alcohol to name a tiny fraction. All of these, some good, some not, serve the same purpose. Their purpose is to fill that aching desire in each of us. That ache that sais “surely there is something that can fill this emptiness inside me!” The ache for something lost or missing. The ache that no matter where we try and look is never satisfied and fulfilled. Sure we can pretend that our comfy well kitted out house, our job and family is all we need to be satisfied. This pretention can go on for years but if we are honest the ache is still there. It is NEVER satisfied and is what drives us. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;It drives the alcoholic to keep drinking, the compulsive shopper to keep looking for the next thing to provide that purchase quick high, the adulterer, the promiscuous casual sex, the co-dependent and on and on it goes. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;All these things are designed to either satisfy that deep rooted ache or to numb the pain of it not being satisfied. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;h3&gt;Misdirected Worship is Idolatry&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;p&gt;So if all these things cannot possibly fulfil this deep rooted ache then who or what can? Well I am glad you asked!&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;We were designed and created by God to worship Him alone. It is the first of the ten commandments in the Bible paraphrased as ‘you shall have no other Gods but The Lord and you shall worship Him alone’. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;God designed us to depend entirely on him. He is the only one who can satisfy the deep ache and longing in our heart that each and every one of us has. Only in personal, intimate relationship with Him can satisfaction be found and our deep longing for Security, meaning and worth be found. Only in the Worship of our Creator God can we find all our thirsts met. It is what we were primarily created for, as worshippers.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;When mankind first sinned the sin was pride and idolatry. It took God from His rightful place and raised us up equal with Him. The devil deceived our first parents with the lie of autonomy. The lie that says we don’t need God! It is the same lie that the world shouts at us today with all its myriad of pleasures and temptations. All designed to draw us away from faith and Worship of the only one worthy of it. All designed to provide a counterfeit. The Bible calls this Idolatry! Any time we worship, give ourselves over to, something that is not God it is worship in the form of idolatry.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;h4 align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;‘The Human heart is an idol factory&amp;quot;’ – Martin Luther&lt;/h4&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Idolatry is the most serious sin in the Bible. It is an act of Cosmic treason against the creator. It is something every human does completely naturally and is all that is needed to justly condemn us, dead in our sins, for eternity before our Holy creator God. Praise God in His Grace and Mercy He provides for us a way out. Through Jesus Christ we can know forgiveness for our sinful predilection to idolatry. We can be declared righteous before God through Jesus and be given new life and hope for eternity. A life that can know that deep longing and ache satisfied when we quench our thirst in the living water of worship of our awesome creator. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;I dare you to have faith in the only one who can satisfy!&lt;/p&gt;  </content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/7838942847354092982/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/7838942847354092982' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/7838942847354092982'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/7838942847354092982'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2011/09/dr-who-god-complex-we-all-worship.html' title='‘Dr Who – The God Complex’ : We all Worship Something!!'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiKMC7CYTf5fyuBonXY3UZXuwabbe0tEcDhEL0Lx5vra33pQCDS9Yz2K27K4ScSlxguyWGfoXy_yflWYmDzYPbUzsptVIwQicIobkIeXau-jGdEUWhnJm1wayYBYNEXBnq0mS5ZSw/s72-c?imgmax=800" height="72" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-6209401353865364028</id><published>2011-06-27T15:57:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2011-06-27T15:57:39.475+01:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Blogging"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Calvinism/Arminianism"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Doctrine"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Walk"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Matthew Paul Turner"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Reviews"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Stereotypes"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Theology"/><title type='text'>A Review of the audio book ‘Churched’ by Matthew Paul Turner</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;I first became aware of the writer Matthew Paul Turner (MPT from now on) when someone I follow on Twitter re-Tweeted one of his tweets. I was curious to read more about him, not because I agreed with what he said, quite the opposite in fact. I don’t remember exactly what the comments said but I seem to remember it was making fun of either Reformed Theology or possibly John Piper. Anyway it was enough to peek my curiosity so I started to follow him on twitter and read some of his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jesusneedsnewpr.net&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Blog &#39;Jesus Needs New PR&#39;&lt;/a&gt; (The blog title may give you a hint of his agenda).&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;It wasn&#39;t long before I stopped reading his blog and some time later I stopped following him on Twitter. The reasons will become clearer.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Any way a few months ago &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.christianaudio.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Christian Audio&lt;/a&gt; gave away his book ‘&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.co.uk/Churched-Kids-Journey-Toward-Despite/dp/1400074711/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;qid=1309182215&amp;amp;sr=8-1&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Churched&lt;/a&gt;’ as their free monthly download. So, since it was free, I downloaded it to see if I could try and understand where MPT was coming from. The book has the following description:&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;blockquote&gt;   &lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;He spent his childhood trapped within the confines of countless bizarre, strict rules. And lived to tell about it.       &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;      &lt;br /&gt;In this first-hand account, author Matthew Paul Turner shares amusing–sometimes cringe-worthy–and poignant stories about growing up in a fundamentalist household, where even well-intentioned contemporary Christian music was proclaimed to be “of the devil.”       &lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;       &lt;br /&gt;churched &lt;/i&gt;is a collection of stories that detail an American boy’s experiences growing up in a culture where men weren’t allowed let their hair grow to touch their ears (“an abomination!”), women wouldn’t have been caught dead in a pair of pants (unless swimming), and the pastor couldn’t preach a sermon without a healthy dose of hellfire and brimstone. Matthew grapples with the absurdity of a Sunday School Barbie burning, the passionate annual boxing match between the pastor and Satan, and the holiness of being baptized a fifth time–while growing into a young man who, amidst the chaotic mess of religion, falls in love with Jesus. (Cited from amazon.co.uk)&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiL1w3LSH5m5kT6O3XHgAptjQ4jFNs3aXHXwBJxZdEkfbgxNf9PzpbwOeln9KfEgI0PsBgtToyvuSBQeDEeEMYZ6sTNX_7iOnkTsTq3JmJiiJPW8g0pzAZCOnuv40VDzWUbBSLUzA/s1600-h/churched%25255B7%25255D.jpg&quot;&gt;&lt;img style=&quot;border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; display: inline; margin-left: 0px; border-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; border-right: 0px&quot; title=&quot;churched&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;churched&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj8F7QQdRj21DkTi272P8bRWqTloWhWpBJ2-84-h4-T9UopcqftxYSRXfTkTmG-8bthUmxfgV20rMPpsE9rvsUeA12guopMqeJnJYzLNonzR5TLgh5OrY3zwbrTQp1CiEwSToeYOw/?imgmax=800&quot; width=&quot;244&quot; height=&quot;244&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; The Audio Book version that I listened to was read by MPT himself which I guess added to the experience as His reading of his own book clearly added extra weight and humour to the words.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Several things struck me after I had finished listening to the book:&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Firstly I have no experience first hand of that kind of Fundamentalism. The only thing that comes close was an evening when my first church invited some man to talk about secular music to the youth group. I was about 18 at the time. He was a nutter quite frankly and saw the devil in everything. I quickly learnt to filter out that kind of nonsense. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;I have heard about that kind of US fundamentalism and have read the odd article from people with that kind of viewpoint. Not growing up in a Christian home I cannot imagine what it would be like to be a child in a grace filled Christian home let alone one so rigidly moralistic and graceless. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;There are some areas of UK Christianity that are very moralistic in nature but I have not personally come across that level of Fundamentalism, described by MPT, in my 22 years as a Christian believer. There were some friends at university that came from a fairly moralistic, Baptist upbringing and struggled to cope living outside of that bubble. With some predictable results of going off the rails a little.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Secondly, although I do not in any way doubt the sincerity in which the book was written, I struggle to accept that much of what was written has not been embellished by MPT’s adult self. I struggle to remember conversations that happened last week let alone detailed conversations I had as a child. Since this book is a series of narratives of various stages of MPT’s growing up it is full of these conversations. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;We all filter and interpret our memories through the life lenses we are currently wearing. That is not to accuse MPT of lying or making stuff up. However he has clearly been deeply affected by growing up in such a strict environment and many of the subtle points he is making come through narratives that are time wise his childhood but message wise most certainly his adult self.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Thirdly it can only be by the Grace of God that he is even a believer today. Some of the incidents described are literally ‘you could not make this stuff up’ stories. Enough to crush and stifle the life and soul out of any person. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;However, back to the reason I could no longer stomach reading his blog or following him on Twitter. It is fully understandable to be angry and frustrated with the Fundamentalism in which he grew up. Who wouldn’t be? But much of his twitter stream and blogging is filled with poking fun at and maligning anyone who could be broadly categorised as Reformed or Calvinist. Particular targets are the likes of John Piper and Mark Driscoll (which is odd as the fundamentalism that MPT experienced, Driscoll pokes fun at all the time). That is not of course to say that they are above criticism as no one of course is. However Piper, Driscoll and the pastors, teachers and groups they are associated with are as far from MPT’s fundamental experience as you can get. Their whole message is ‘Grace’ which of course is anathema to moralistic fundamentalism. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;What saddened and yes annoyed me most was the comments that others made on his blog. Now Calvinists have a reputation for being harsh, but I have never read more angry, insulting and blatantly Un-Christian views than I read from people on his blog comments against anyone in the Reformed camp.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;I use twitter and read blogs for one main reason, to learn more about and grow in my Christian faith from gifted and wise teachers and writers. If I find the blogs of the people I follow on twitter no longer serve that purpose or in fact have a negative affect on that purpose I no longer give them my attention or time. Different views on theological issues are welcome, but when those views are nothing more than childish digs why waste time with them. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;MPT if a gifted writer and communicator. Sadly however his childhood experience has so blinded him that he seems to now lump anyone who he does not agree with and is on the more conservative side into one category, Fundamental. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;No MPT, Jesus does not need new PR, that is a very arrogant. The Church is Jesus’ body on earth despite itself. What everyone needs is to know, understand accept and experience is the unconditional Grace which he freely offers to all. That is the message of true Reformed theology which you seem to so dislike!&lt;/p&gt;  </content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/6209401353865364028/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/6209401353865364028' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/6209401353865364028'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/6209401353865364028'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2011/06/review-of-audio-book-churched-by.html' title='A Review of the audio book ‘Churched’ by Matthew Paul Turner'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj8F7QQdRj21DkTi272P8bRWqTloWhWpBJ2-84-h4-T9UopcqftxYSRXfTkTmG-8bthUmxfgV20rMPpsE9rvsUeA12guopMqeJnJYzLNonzR5TLgh5OrY3zwbrTQp1CiEwSToeYOw/s72-c?imgmax=800" height="72" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-908365267359225410</id><published>2011-06-03T16:20:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2011-06-07T09:09:40.433+01:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Apologetics"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Bill Johnson"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Doctrine"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Walk"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Healing"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Holy Spirit"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Humility"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Life"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Theology"/><title type='text'>Do not Quench the Spirit</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj5gnOTqQXXfpB1EhhKn2L0UR4VhEA3YZDfkq0q0eyEDcIQ9vscrPcjM0fB8IvPVOdcrQBQSCS8roJbVn8wvgAL159rcDojXFbeR7Um-cHoFmYhPNJk7Za5LtMlj-h9amQIThk1Sw/s1600-h/holy-spirit-01%25255B3%25255D.jpg&quot;&gt;&lt;img align=&quot;right&quot; alt=&quot;holy-spirit-01&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; height=&quot;244&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgAZbvoxcaGAWOZhq-OTuRGT5lV72ciJIA6r4CI8FlB3lR0fh-1d9zV-HSvn0rkWHDVy6WUbgPRH0LTtZ9wKydzXqpL9yTYLXTQczJaz3kQQIKygsAfXe-CPiswREm86j5dwgN73g/?imgmax=800&quot; style=&quot;border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; border-right: 0px; border-top: 0px; display: inline; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;&quot; title=&quot;holy-spirit-01&quot; width=&quot;244&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; We are currently working through 1 Corinthians in our Sunday Sermon series at church and last Sunday we hit 1 Corinthians 12:10-11. You can listen &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kch.org.uk/Media/Player.aspx?media_id=70160&amp;amp;file_id=78176&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;10 &lt;/i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;i&gt;to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 &lt;/i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;i&gt;All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;The focus was working miracles and distinguishing between spirits and then on v11. Prophecy and tongues etc will be dealt with in a different sermon later in the series. We also had a lively debate, last night, in our small group. This is not uncommon when the spiritual gifts are being discussed.&lt;br /&gt;
(Please note the dove picture representing the Holy Spirit is posted slightly tongue in cheek)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Where do I stand on Spiritual Gifts?&lt;/h2&gt;For the record I will lay out where I stand on what are often called ‘The Charismatic Gifts’. That is the supernatural gifts given in scripture by The Holy Spirit:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;I believe the gifts of the spirit are for today and did not cease at the end of the Apostolic age. Therefore I am NOT a Cessasionist at all. The best term to use would be ‘Reformed Charismatic’. &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;I believe God can and indeed does heal people today and know people who have been miraculously healed. &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;I believe in prophecy (as in words of knowledge from God about others as well as words from God including pictures etc.. Also words for specific people or the church that are from God about what God wants to do in the future. By way of some examples) I have operated in these gifts myself. NB: With the Caveat the prophecy is always subject to Scripture and is in NO way equivalent to it! &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;I believe speaking in tongues is valid, as is interpretation of tongues. I however do not speak in tongues myself. &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;There are many other gifts mentioned in scripture and I do not have any issues with them being a normal part of the Christian life and experience. &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The greatest spiritual gift is the gift of Regeneration of the unbeliever to being a believer. The creation of a new Christian life. The must surely be the greatest miracle of them all! &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;I became a Christian at 18 and have always attended churches where the spiritual gifts were practiced. It has always been part of my Christian experience. I was witness first hand to what became known as ‘The Toronto Blessing’ (look it up). I have seen some pretty whacky stuff over the years it has to be said.&lt;br /&gt;
With that being said why did I find Sundays sermon challenging? I’ll come on to that!&lt;br /&gt;
On one hand we have the above on the other, I am a self confessed cynic . I very rarely just accept what people tell me without question. If people claim to have been healed I want proof. Very often one must just accept the word of the person and trust their integrity. However I do sometimes wonder why God does not heal more obvious problems rather than the obligatory back ache, arm ache, head ache’s etc… All those are great and fantastic to be healed from. I suffer back problems and would love to not have to worry about it recurring again. We do have testimonies of more obvious physical symptoms being healed. Like legs growing, backs straightening, the deaf hearing. Those I get more excited over as they baffle doctors and are clear undeniable miracles. In my previous Church in Crawley there was a wheelchair bound lady with ME and other disabilities, dependant on medical and financial help, who had been in her chair for years. One night she was healed and to this day I believe is now walking about. A walking talking miracle!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgsWNSvVPTDnzwUWFmFTgqp3YXWPSIFEO0UZ_S0gr-v18C_bx1jFj4h_aEOh3n3z64nwqkxedTlYN6f_Dj9uMkp-WnX5WGTp4fksTzafGsVNGM9-856UHTeENHZfpQpI6LOhu4n8Q/s1600-h/Tension-in-rope1505%25255B3%25255D.jpg&quot;&gt;&lt;img align=&quot;left&quot; alt=&quot;Tension-in-rope1505&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; height=&quot;164&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhmvxdmqAzfybapoW2shBa3QcEvPbZSLNcBWZ7kmzvupkX3ZmkIQ9_EaM-1eW0ItVhsdeCWxDliDgojH_aam2W_vxUTEKVfYKOsar30KuSiL0obiHlIcVqRzPb_ltnIQTxkS_Y-RQ/?imgmax=800&quot; style=&quot;border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; border-right: 0px; border-top: 0px; display: inline; margin: 0px 35px 0px 0px;&quot; title=&quot;Tension-in-rope1505&quot; width=&quot;244&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; So I am constantly in this tension between cynic vs believer. It is certainly not a helpful place to be and is often lack of faith or just plain unbelief on my part.&lt;br /&gt;
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I certainly have issues with some of the more wacky things people are claiming and much of this comes from Bethel mania among others, see below. Gold dust and Angel feathers for example just say to me distraction from God rather than glorifying God which ultimately all spiritual gifts must do. I know the bible does not list in exhaustive detail all spiritual gifts or miracles but I find such things unhelpful. &lt;br /&gt;
So what was so challenging in Sundays message? The following passage was cited:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you. 19 &lt;b&gt;Do not quench the Spirit&lt;/b&gt;. 20 &lt;/i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;i&gt;Do not despise prophecies, 21 &lt;/i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;i&gt;but test everything; hold fast what is good. 22 &lt;/i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;i&gt;Abstain from every form of evil. 1 Thessalonians 5:16–22 (ESV)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Now v21 is often used as a defence against some of the more out there spiritual manifestations and rightly so. However preceding it is v19. We are often in danger of quenching the spirit when we throw out everything, if we detect even one thing that may set off our alarm bells. I find this is exactly what I do. As soon as I detect the slightest hint of theology that I would consider ‘off’ then I switch off. &lt;br /&gt;
My biggest example of this is in the case of Bill Johnson from Bethel Church in Redding California. Now there seems to be little doubt that God is moving spiritually in that church in some amazing and miraculous ways. The long list of testimonies of healing is amazing. However I cannot listen to Bill Johnson preach. I have tried and cannot get through an entire ‘sermon’ of his without being very annoyed by it. I certainly have theological differences with him and with his use of scripture and these create a huge barrier. Yet God is using him in ways that are undeniably amazing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Main two Tension Points!&lt;/h2&gt;What I massively struggle with is the tension between the fully realised Kingdom of God in the new creation of Jesus return and the now, cursed fallen world that God’s kingdom breaks into occasionally. The already and not yet of the Kingdom. How much can we expect of the miraculous in this age?&lt;br /&gt;
The other is the line between how much a part faith plays vs the absolute sovereignty of God. V11 of 1 Corinthians 12 says: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;The spirit decides who gets what, when, where and how much. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;Conclusion&lt;/h2&gt;So on the one hand we MUST ‘test everything’ as I believe there is much counterfeit faux spirituality out there within the Christian church. One example of which I heard recently was an event where the preacher/teacher didn’t once open his bible and it was all about the ‘experience’. Run away, run a mile and don’t look back at that sort of thing. If Gods word is not taught and supporting what is experienced or lip sevice is paid to the word then at least question what you are seeing. Be a Berean (Acts 17:10-11)!&lt;br /&gt;
Yet on the other hand we must NOT let our own prejudices and fears of the supernatural ‘quench’ what God is doing even through people I may disagree with theologically. I need to be open to God using me for the miraculous. I need more faith to be honest as I struggle to believe supernatural things will happen when I pray. My struggle with the tension points mentioned above often causes me to choose safe faith over stepping out and taking risks. I must learn to be humble realising how little I understand and trust God always that whatever happens He is Sovereign and works all things together for Good (Romans 8:28).</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/908365267359225410/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/908365267359225410' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/908365267359225410'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/908365267359225410'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2011/06/do-not-quench-spirit.html' title='Do not Quench the Spirit'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgAZbvoxcaGAWOZhq-OTuRGT5lV72ciJIA6r4CI8FlB3lR0fh-1d9zV-HSvn0rkWHDVy6WUbgPRH0LTtZ9wKydzXqpL9yTYLXTQczJaz3kQQIKygsAfXe-CPiswREm86j5dwgN73g/s72-c?imgmax=800" height="72" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-2558634107725332696</id><published>2011-04-28T13:57:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2011-04-28T14:19:57.733+01:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Doctrine"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Walk"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Emotions"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Humility"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Life"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Prayer"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Substitutionary Atonement"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Suffering"/><title type='text'>The Fathers Cup – A Crucifixion Narrative</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiPMrBgO4Dv8Aw4nUU4M91g4jxrs0sFZt7vHdtixgvpVO9FlEa3-z-E8niBLq77vYYYL6c6Rfprn1Iug5mlmZrCGjxDe58QGV7LD-YPmy1hq1XHsIbJq5y8rB_ptbNJrKM4NXa0dQ/s1600-h/crown-of-thorns%5B3%5D.jpg&quot;&gt;&lt;img style=&quot;border-right-width: 0px; display: inline; border-top-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; margin-left: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; margin-right: 0px&quot; title=&quot;crown-of-thorns&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;crown-of-thorns&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiHYLQsw9Fmlc0UwCOM6k06WArYuTfK-UGwhJ1YbFeo7ryIqBXBQYzMQKu9ZycnykbgcfdsZu4-Vrqgy4IKTsUK7mSnWWm_r8WRPvTmWc2sZK2VNQPIYlL_0TahpNR6Jbr_hd-rOg/?imgmax=800&quot; width=&quot;244&quot; height=&quot;228&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; Just before Good Friday this year I saw John Piper link to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sovgracemn.org/_files/2010_04_02GF.mp3&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;This MP3&lt;/a&gt; by Rick Gamache. It is a narrative of the biblical events of the Thursday evening and Friday leading up to and including Christ’s crucifixion.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;This narrative utterly floored me and brought alive the agony and suffering of Jesus like nothing else since seeing ‘The Passion of the Christ’ film.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;It is a very graphic portrayal of the physical suffering that Jesus went through from weeping tears of blood in the Garden of Gethsemane to His death on the cross. It is not easy to listen to in any way. If you have seen Mel Gibson&#39;s film you will certainly have had a similar experience with seeing in all its gory detail this same representation of our Lord’s suffering.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;However what I have previously failed to entirely, if at all, grasp was what the full meaning of ‘drinking the Father’s Cup’ meant for Jesus. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;blockquote&gt;   &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;“Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.” 43 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;And there appeared to him an angel from heaven, strengthening him. 44 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly; and his sweat became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground. (Luke 22:42-44)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.esvbible.org/search/Luke%2B22/#f7-1&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;  &lt;p&gt;So what had caused Jesus such anxiety as to sweat drops of blood? Certainly He new the physical suffering he was to face. However I think the greater stress was caused by peering in to ‘the Cup’. I think I had always assumed the Cup was the horrendous physical suffering of the cross itself. No, the Cup was much more than that. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The narrative brings in to focus the cost to Jesus himself of the subsitutionary atoning side of what He did on Calvary. I had never before thought about it how this narrative describes it. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;2 Corinthians 5:21 says: ‘&lt;em&gt;For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God&lt;/em&gt;’. Never had I realised what this really meant for Jesus. Of course this is only a tiny speck, a splinter compared to what it really meant.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The Son of God, the Perfect spotless lamb, Holy, Righteous and sinless becomes Sin. For those hours He hung there every sin of those whom are His became part of Jesus. He became the filthy, dirty, abominable evil that sin is. Not only that God the Father looked upon Jesus, His beloved Son and poured out His full, complete and terrible, judgement and Wrath against sin upon Him until it was fully spent. For that time the eternal relationship between Father and Son was broken and the Father turned from Jesus in disgust at the sin upon Him. That was the Cup that Jesus drank for the sake of His Glory and our Salvation. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Read the words of that narrative, weep, repent, rejoice and worship at what Jesus did for us. (The PDF can be found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sovgracemn.org/_blog/20080321manuscript.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;)    &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;blockquote&gt;   &lt;p&gt;Then Jesus is startled by a foul odour. It isn&#39;t the stench of open wounds. It’s something else. And it crawls inside him. He looks up to his Father. His Father looks back, but Jesus doesn&#39;t recognize these eyes. They pierce the invisible world with fire and darken the visible sky. And Jesus feels dirty. He hangs between earth and heaven filthy with human discharge on the outside and, now, filthy with human wickedness on the inside.&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p&gt;The Father speaks: “Son of Man! Why have you sinned against me and heaped scorn on my great glory? You are self-sufficient and self-righteous—consumed with yourself and puffed up and selfishly ambitious. You rob me of my glory and worship what’s inside of you instead of looking out to the One who created you. You are a greedy, lazy, gluttonous slanderer and gossip. You are a lying, conceited, ungrateful, cruel adulterer. You practice sexual immorality; you make pornography, and fill you mind with vulgarity. You exchange my truth for a lie and worship the creature instead of the Creator. And so you are given up to your homosexual passions, dressing immodestly, and lusting after what is forbidden. With all your heart you love perverse pleasure. You hate your brother and murder him with the bullets of anger fired from your own heart. You kill babies for your convenience. You oppress the poor and deal slaves and ignore the needy. You persecute my people. You love money and prestige and honour. You put on a cloak of outward piety, but inside you are filled with dead men’s bones—you hypocrite! You are lukewarm and easily enticed by the world. You covet and can’t have so you murder. You are filled with envy and rage and bitterness and un-forgiveness. You blame others for your sin and are too proud to even call it sin. You are never slow to speak. And you have a razor tongue that lashes and cuts with its criticism and sinful judgment. Your words do not impart grace. Instead your mouth is a fountain of condemnation and guilt and obscene talk. You are a false prophet leading people astray. You mock your parents. You have no self-control. You are a betrayer who stirs up division and factions. You’re a drunkard and a thief. You’re an anxious coward. You do not trust me. You blaspheme against me. You are an un-submissive wife. And you are a lazy, disengaged husband. You file for divorce and crush the parable of my love for the church. You’re a pimp and a drug dealer. You practice divination and worship demons. The list of your sins goes on and on and on and on. And I hate these things inside of you. I’m filled with disgust, and indignation for your sin consumes me. Now, drink my cup! &lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p&gt;And Jesus does. He drinks for hours. He downs every drop of the scalding liquid of God’s own hatred of sin mingled with his white-hot wrath against that sin. This is the Father’s cup: omnipotent hatred and anger for the sins of every generation past, present, and future—omnipotent wrath directed at one naked man hanging on a cross. The Father can no longer look at his beloved Son, his heart’s treasure, the mirror-image of himself. He looks away. &lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p&gt;Jesus pushes himself upward and howls to heaven, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p&gt;Silence. Separation. &lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p&gt;Jesus whispers, “I’m thirsty,” and he sags. &lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p&gt;The merciful centurion soaks a sponge in sour wine and lifts in on a reed to Jesus’ lips. And the sour wine is the sweetest drink he ever tasted. &lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p&gt;Jesus pushes himself up again and cries, “It is finished.” And it is. Every sin of every child of God has been laid on Jesus and he drank the cup of God’s wrath dry.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;  </content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/2558634107725332696/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/2558634107725332696' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/2558634107725332696'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/2558634107725332696'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2011/04/fathers-cup-crucifixion-narrative.html' title='The Fathers Cup – A Crucifixion Narrative'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiHYLQsw9Fmlc0UwCOM6k06WArYuTfK-UGwhJ1YbFeo7ryIqBXBQYzMQKu9ZycnykbgcfdsZu4-Vrqgy4IKTsUK7mSnWWm_r8WRPvTmWc2sZK2VNQPIYlL_0TahpNR6Jbr_hd-rOg/s72-c?imgmax=800" height="72" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-7779588521134912110</id><published>2011-02-23T11:44:00.001+00:00</published><updated>2011-02-23T11:44:28.497+00:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Apologetics"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Doctrine"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Walk"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Healing"/><title type='text'>Thoughts on Spiritual Gifts!</title><content type='html'>I was reading 1 Corinthians 12 today and a few things jumped out at me:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But earnestly desire the higher gifts. And I will show you a still more excellent way. &lt;/i&gt;  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://esv.to/1Cor12.29-31&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No is the answer to those statements. Not everyone gets each gift since all gifts are given according to Gods sovereign will (see v18). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are to seek the higher gifts that build up the body of Christ! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The issue Paul is dealing with here and one that is still quite prevalent in the Charismatic church is the gift of tongues or rather it&#39;s over emphasis. Clearly from this text not everyone has the gift. The higher gifts are those that build up the body. Since tongues is largely a personal gift unless brought publicly with interpretation it should not be considered a higher gift here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul of course then goes on to explain that ALL of them without a spirit of Love motivating their use are worthless and that is the most important issue to consider.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is so easy for us to get carried away with certain gifts we see as more important that it can make people with less obvious gifts feel second rate. This chapter 12 stands against that and we should always check ourselves against both chapters 12 &amp; 13 regularly to see if we are in line with scripture. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most of all remember that it is God we seek first and foremost not His gifts. God is our ultimate treasure to be sought after!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Posted using BlogPress from my iPhone&lt;br /&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/7779588521134912110/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/7779588521134912110' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/7779588521134912110'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/7779588521134912110'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2011/02/thoughts-on-spiritual-gifts.html' title='Thoughts on Spiritual Gifts!'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-4238757288487108347</id><published>2011-01-25T15:35:00.001+00:00</published><updated>2011-01-25T15:35:08.450+00:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Chris Quilala"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Walk"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Jesus Culture"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Music"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Reviews"/><title type='text'>Jesus Culture–’Come Away With Me’ Review</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgWFqkqmofcykitZupwF1pgmAy1xYKXAw6k8Jj6OOBf6mmRGDJBFw2z1XSdicgQ1uVyIobX20o7l1tVnZUEDaFDqEQqCyAiugR5Q337ZEbPt70GMtlwOFUvgePHFglYkwyHuFvTVA/s1600-h/comeaway-small%5B2%5D.jpg&quot;&gt;&lt;img style=&quot;background-image: none; border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; display: inline; float: left; border-top: 0px; border-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px&quot; title=&quot;&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhoEpHHBe-QLNQViFj5CNGtl3dThFWcZwU38juITqCzdECV9HMXg25GTmJaju6YP78mvJT8Ym_ea-Y7_PeIbx_4n7xb1K_7kYjRFL-aeBCzb6LOtueOW_oH1H40-hZJ36HEpJqfYA/?imgmax=800&quot; width=&quot;154&quot; height=&quot;154&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Now before I start I want to say I am a big fan of the Jesus Culture worship music. The last three Albums ‘We Cry Out’, ‘Your Love Never Fails’ and Consumed are on the whole very good indeed and just the type of worship music style that I love. The albums have a great ‘Big’ sound to them and hit you with a powerful wall of music and they pushed musically all the right buttons for me.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;That being said we come to the new album ‘Come Away With Me’. I have so far listened to it a couple of times. Production wise it is great and up there with the rest of the albums. The big sound, wonderful vocals from Chris Quilala and Kym Walker-Smith as you would expect. However my main impression of the album is, sorry to say, all style and no substance.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;My reason for saying that is because of the lyrical content of the songs. The music itself is the usual highs standard I have come to expect from them. However the lyrics to the songs are what can only be described as biblical truth light and a little on the lovey dovey, wishey washy side. Now there is definitely a place for that in a worship meeting. To sing our heart felt response to Jesus is right and proper. However since it is true that most people pick up a majority of their theology from the worship songs they sing in church then they will be left sorely lacking by these songs. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;I like songs that declare solid biblical truth and are taken from parts of scripture. There is very little of this on the album. Previous albums have been much better and especially when they have done their own interpretations of other well know worship songs. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;I don’t doubt for a second the devotion and heart felt way in which these guys worship God. I would dearly love to have powerful spirit led worship times like they do. However this album is frankly disappointing for the above stated reasons. Sorry guys!&lt;/p&gt;  </content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/4238757288487108347/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/4238757288487108347' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/4238757288487108347'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/4238757288487108347'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2011/01/jesus-culturecome-away-with-me-review.html' title='Jesus Culture–’Come Away With Me’ Review'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhoEpHHBe-QLNQViFj5CNGtl3dThFWcZwU38juITqCzdECV9HMXg25GTmJaju6YP78mvJT8Ym_ea-Y7_PeIbx_4n7xb1K_7kYjRFL-aeBCzb6LOtueOW_oH1H40-hZJ36HEpJqfYA/s72-c?imgmax=800" height="72" width="72"/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-8789364971521328097</id><published>2010-11-05T15:26:00.003+00:00</published><updated>2010-11-05T19:10:16.263+00:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Casting Crowns"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Music"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Reviews"/><title type='text'>Casting Crowns Live, Stoke, November 2010</title><content type='html'>I was greatly blessed to have seen &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.castingcrowns.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Casting Crowns&lt;/a&gt; for a second time last night at the Queens Theatre in Burslem, Stoke, UK.&lt;br /&gt;
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Although being on my own this time I enjoyed this gig better than two years ago when I saw them in the same location (&lt;a href=&quot;http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2008/11/casting-crowns-gig-queens-theatre-stoke.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Review here&lt;/a&gt;). This time it was just CC playing without major support so it was pretty much over two hours of the band which was great.&lt;br /&gt;
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What I like about CC is that they are not just musicians that are Christians. They are first and foremost youth pastors, youth workers and the music comes from that experience of dealing with people. This gives the lyrics a raw, earthy reality while at the same time being 100% rooted in scripture. Few bands music can reduce me to tears but CC’s music can do it to me with uncomfortable regularity because what Mark Hall sings is so heart felt and speaks to God from where we are at.&lt;br /&gt;
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The song that particularly gets me every time is ‘Praise you in this Storm’. It has particular meaning recently given what happened in my life earlier in the year. Last night Mark had not even sung the first line and tears were streaming down my face. I sobbed through most of it glad for the relative darkness of the theatre. &lt;br /&gt;
Here is that song with an explanation of why it was written. I have posted this many times and I doubt it will be the last time either:&lt;br /&gt;
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Another thing I really liked about CC and Mark Hall is his clear communication of the Gospel at each gig. Cleverly woven in between the songs. I had to smile as his explanation of how we come to know Christ was thoroughly Reformed. God calls us to Him and it is nothing in us that makes it happen, it is all by Grace, nice! I wonder if this riled any non reformed Christians in the audience?&lt;br /&gt;
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The audience were very impressive last night with the heartfelt singing and worship of God. Most importantly God was Glorified in that place.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is a shame they seem to only manage to tour Europe every two years as more people should see them live and appreciate the ministry God has given them. Also would be nice if they did a gig a little nearer the south &lt;img alt=&quot;Winking smile&quot; class=&quot;wlEmoticon wlEmoticon-winkingsmile&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjuOgyTaBfLvZHGQykdCUM-rKB4IAjWvPI-Lxq_kTbS3zPl2p77oaU5eZRgdDzwJfAdGLJEXKyXCMXO0qGj__J2ledBT8DoFjGqrXtq_1EuIpUe7luTeSwD71UkIDeOY_kN9ZEvKg/?imgmax=800&quot; style=&quot;border-style: none;&quot; /&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Please go and see them if you ever get the chance and be blessed.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;hr /&gt;One negative thing to note and nothing in any way connected to Casting Crowns was this. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nxt.org.uk/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;NXT ministries&lt;/a&gt; who organised the evening, as well as two years ago, have an event coming up in 2011 where Brian McLaren is speaking. From what I understand he preaches a very wooly Gospel at best and unscriptural at worst. Best avoided!</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/8789364971521328097/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/8789364971521328097' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/8789364971521328097'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/8789364971521328097'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2010/11/casting-crowns-live-stoke-november-2010.html' title='Casting Crowns Live, Stoke, November 2010'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgVHHkSLh7w3eenPyTsVrvgg97AqG-VSqhLrKqM5gy-pgGvdF_rUGvKYXOIvG0GPlwkOYm4Vo1EYk4cfIAH2MnaSjLERERmSeMFS4oI1sBAm-2xERnWni56Ykn5Uw-JCqre8C5IXA/s72-c?imgmax=800" height="72" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-6982681125131812278</id><published>2010-09-29T19:52:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2010-09-29T19:53:51.875+01:00</updated><title type='text'>Thought for the Day: How much do you desire to rest in Gods Arms?</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;I was praying earlier on today sitting on my bed with the bedroom door shut. The reason the door was shut was to keep my cat out of the room. He was in one of those soppy moods where he was desperate for cuddles and attention from me and was being very persistent in pursuing me to get it. Whilst I was in the bedroom he sat outside, occasionally crying pathetically and scratching at the door.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;When I had finished praying I opened the door and he enthusiastically greeted me, purring his head off and batting my leg until I picked him up (yes he is a very pampered cat). Once in my arms he just flopped and sat contented there, feeling safe and secure.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Why am I telling you this? Well while praying I asked God if there was anything to learn from his persistence etc…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Then later it occurred to me, how often am I that desperate to get to God and rest in His arms, safe and secure? How often will I stop at nothing until I get to my heavenly Father to find rest and contentment?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Psalm 40:1 and Psalm 130:5-6&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;My prayer time is far too much about things to pray for rather than focussing on the one who answers!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hmm a spiritual lesson from my Cat, who’d have thought?&lt;/p&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/6982681125131812278/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/6982681125131812278' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/6982681125131812278'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/6982681125131812278'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2010/09/thought-for-day-how-much-do-you-desire.html' title='Thought for the Day: How much do you desire to rest in Gods Arms?'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-2600853469798466857</id><published>2010-09-15T09:45:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2010-09-15T09:46:49.338+01:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Maria Mena"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Music"/><title type='text'>Really Like this Song - Maria Mena &#39;Just Hold Me&#39;</title><content type='html'>Heard this on Radio 2. Just like it, that is all!&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&lt;embed allowscriptaccess=&quot;always&quot; flashvars=&quot;songId=56880979&amp;amp;pid=-5897030018780502101&quot; height=&quot;77&quot; id=&quot;FlashDiv&quot; quality=&quot;high&quot; src=&quot;http://lads.myspace.com/Embeds/SongEmbed/SongEmbed.swf&quot; style=&quot;display: inline;&quot; width=&quot;400&quot; wmode=&quot;transparent&quot;&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;Find more &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.myspace.com/mariamena&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Maria Mena&lt;/a&gt; albums at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.myspace.com/music&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt; Myspace Music &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/2600853469798466857/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/2600853469798466857' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/2600853469798466857'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/2600853469798466857'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2010/09/really-like-tihs-song-maria-mena-just.html' title='Really Like this Song - Maria Mena &#39;Just Hold Me&#39;'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-4300895167946226646</id><published>2010-08-09T13:00:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2010-08-09T13:00:06.734+01:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Apologetics"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Bill Johnson"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Calvinism/Arminianism"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Doctrine"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Walk"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Healing"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Humility"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Prayer"/><title type='text'>When Biblical Truth and Experience clash!</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;Ok, I know that is a provocative Title and of course it is intended to be ;-). Last week I attended an evening where a well-ish known Christian was speaking, who has a ‘Healing Ministry’. This was the second of Two evenings put on by a local church. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Firstly this Blog post is not meant in any way to personally criticise a fellow brother in Christ. This is simply me trying to work my faith out and when I come up against something that I find a contradiction I need to get my head round it.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The evening consisted of a singing time of Worship. Then a ‘talk’ followed eventually by what I am going to call ‘doing the stuff’. Sadly just as the ‘doing the stuff’ started I had to leave, as it was 9:40 and the car park I was in shuts at 10:00, but I digress. The ‘talk’ consisted of stories where this person had been used by God in various situations for miraculous healing of others, interspersed with ‘teaching’ from the Bible. Herein lies the issue. It is good to hear stories of God healing people as this builds faith and that is not where I had a problem. It was the ‘teaching’ that was brought that I was, to put it mildly, astonished to hear. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;There was one important thing that the person said that I totally agreed with. That when praying for healing you don’t have to tell God what to heal and you don’t need to convince God to do so by many words. A simple ‘be healed in the name of Jesus’ is all that is needed, the rest is up to God. This is largely what Jesus did and what the Bible records the Apostles doing. Great we can agree on that! The whole issue of how ones faith interacts with God’s sovereignty and the resulting healing or lack thereof is another issue entirely. I am not going to go into that here as I don’t have any semblance of a coherent understanding of it theologically. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;However apart from that one point, what was taught as being from scripture seemed to me wrong on so many levels and I have not heard a mangling of scripture like that in quite a while. However what is clear is that after I left there were several medically verifiable miraculous healings that I am certainly not going to credit to any power apart from God Himself. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;So what do you do with that? Clearly incorrect biblical interpretation yet God powerfully using this person in the area of healing. My approach to these things is always to measure anything I see by the plumb line of scripture. Or be a Berean (Acts 17:10-11). For me if I don’t see it in scripture at least in principal then I do not accept it. I absolutely, 100% believe that God can and does heal today miraculously, I have seen it.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;My theological view point is most definitely Reformed and I truly believe it most accurately reflects what scripture teaches. But clinging so close to the importance of right doctrine can have the effect of quenching the spirit. This is possibly why churches that hold to reformed doctrine tend to be very conservative and not actively move in the power of the spirit. New Frontiers churches seem to be fairly unique in this area. NFI is rooted in Reformed doctrine yet is clearly charismatic in its expression of the gifts and power of the Holy Spirit. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;I totally believe in the absolute sovereignty of God. I totally believe that the gifts through the Holy Spirit seen in the New Testament are for today&#39;s church in whatever measure God sees fit to pour out and on whomever He desires. I would even go as far to say that holding a reformed view of scripture does not contradict or stand against the active gifts of Holy Spirit in healing, prophecy, tongues etc.. and actually supports it. It is the holding to certain traditions, viewpoints or teachings of the Reformed Giants of the faith so tight that possibly quenches the spirit. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Therefore whilst I may disagree with much of the teaching and emphasis that comes out of the likes of Bill Johnsons ministry at Bethel Church who this person speaking was certainly related, God is clearly using the ministry to perform amazingly miraculous healings. So I give God the Glory for that!&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;So where does this leave us? Someone wiser than myself offered these points:&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;ul&gt;   &lt;li&gt;Miracles only endorse the power of God not the man.&lt;/li&gt;    &lt;li&gt;Miracles only endorse the power of God not the mans teaching.&lt;/li&gt;    &lt;li&gt;Miracles only endorse the power of God not the mans life or lifestyle.&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt;  &lt;p&gt;All I can say again is that God is sovereign and who am I to question who He chooses to use as part of His divine redemptive plan. I will continue to hold to the closed handed issues that the Bible is very clear on and I will endeavour to passionately seek and treasure God alone as my ultimate and only source of true joy and only way to salvation. I most definitely want to have a far deeper experience of knowing God more intimately and being open to the working of the Holy Spirit in as yet unimaginable ways, but without throwing my intellect and brain out the window. I repeat we must always measure any and all spiritual experience we may have against the unmoveable benchmark of Gods word. Let none of us, whatever doctrinal position or tradition we hail from, just believe what we have seen or heard without testing the spirits (1 John 4:1-3) and examining the scriptures daily (Acts 17:11).&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;I know I have only scratched the surface of what it means to be a follower of Jesus and I pray we never become satisfied with where we are in all God has for us and all He wants to do through us. Let us remain humble, bearing with one another in Love (Ephesians 4:2) while we work out our salvation with fear and trembling (Phil 2:12-13).&lt;/p&gt;  </content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/4300895167946226646/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/4300895167946226646' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/4300895167946226646'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/4300895167946226646'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2010/08/when-biblical-truth-and-experience.html' title='When Biblical Truth and Experience clash!'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-2239418553381453736</id><published>2010-07-27T13:18:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2010-07-27T13:18:32.828+01:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Walk"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Persecution"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Suffering"/><title type='text'>Christians and Anti-Semitism</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;I have recently been studying the issue of how Israel and the Old Testament covenants relates to the New Covenant in Christ. The paper &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newfrontierstogether.org/Groups/129029/Newfrontiers/Resources/Articles_and_Papers/Theological_Papers/Israel_and_the_Church/Israel_and_the_Church.aspx&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;LINKED HERE&lt;/a&gt; is the focus of that study. This is for a discussion group I am part of. However I am not going to comment on the actual paper or the issues is raises, nor on my ‘current’ thinking on what the Bible says. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;What I wanted to simply comment on was one point raised in the paper. That of the historical Churches partaking in what can only be described as vicious Anti-Semitism. The likes of Augustine, Thomas Aquinas and Martin Luther having quite unbelievable views about Jews. Over the course of History the Church or individual believers have either directly or indirectly been responsible for all manner of persecution and suffering brought upon Jewish people.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Of course my knowledge of history is very limited and I do not know the cultural pressures and influences of the time but I simply cannot grasp or understand how a person who follows Christ can hold the entire Jewish nation as accountable for crucifying Him. My brain simply cannot get round the concept of that thinking. Even a cursory reading of Romans 9-11 demonstrates Jesus was a Jew, the Apostles were Jews, the Jewish Messiah, that anyone who becomes a Christian has effectively become part of the ‘true Israel’. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;For Christians to blame the Jews for killing Christ is ridiculous. If Christ had not died then we would all perish in the final Judgement. No one would be saved, period! Yes sin was committed by those that called for and carried out Jesus’ execution. Yes this was under God’s sovereign rule and plan. No I can’t explain how the two are true at the same time but they are! Those individual people who were responsible will either face righteous and just judgement or are covered by the sacrifice of Christ if they later repented and followed Him. You can’t blame an entire nation for the actions of a handful of people. It is like hating Germans or Austrians because one Evil Nutter called Hitler was responsible for killing millions.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;So yes we should be ashamed of our fellow brothers and sisters throughout history who misguidedly treated the Jewish people the way they did. Distance oursleves massively from any hint of anti Jewish feeling.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;We should humbly love, reach out to and be ready to die for serving and bringing the Gospel to the Jewish people as we should to any other nation of the earth. Now I know some would say it is anti-Semitic to evangelise Jews but I say surely it is anti-Semitic not to. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;It is staggeringly unloving to refuse to share the Gospel with anyone because of any prejudice you have. A Christian has no excuse as one utterly under the Free Grace of God, saved by no merit, no work, nothing you could ever possibly do to earn your salvation. Grace, Grace, Grace and for those that think us Reformed types add Grace as an afterthought more Grace!!!!!! &lt;/p&gt;  </content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/2239418553381453736/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/2239418553381453736' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/2239418553381453736'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/2239418553381453736'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2010/07/christians-and-anti-semitism.html' title='Christians and Anti-Semitism'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-1169128932586469434</id><published>2010-07-26T11:35:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2010-07-26T11:35:37.123+01:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Doctrine"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Walk"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Life"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Pride"/><title type='text'>When Should/Shouldn’t we leave a Church!</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgJCuyEqGyMm5xNiWfCWEkQTycmKIoWHxYtBkmDdyvb08GdA2ijW3Krj0DAAEExEnir_qBp1ouKn1xSQ3zi4DZKv_v07MHNANRtG_PirpliXspju5C28IuwSuO7icVoPlkeRTqsXQ/s1600-h/ChurchBuilding%5B11%5D.jpg&quot;&gt;&lt;img title=&quot;ChurchBuilding&quot; style=&quot;border-right: 0px; border-top: 0px; display: inline; margin: 0px 15px 0px 0px; border-left: 0px; border-bottom: 0px&quot; height=&quot;164&quot; alt=&quot;ChurchBuilding&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9pm5H8j45Mr0P6Nba0oenXTFv1ngwJ7RTjZ7nx_W5Z5u9mfiYoqZcVZwugMRvNf_CZdR7PBotjiGQXJ4tfoNDPFwiN7ub6u0ypUF-Omo61V6SSUh_BiG3HXVI_1tHl1gjYjsfNw/?imgmax=800&quot; width=&quot;143&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; I have been pondering this thought a lot recently and have been meaning, for some time, to write some of my thoughts down about it. It probably would have been a very controversial post for a number of reasons that I will not go into on a public space (but I linked to a nicely balanced viewpoint on the subject below, instead of getting myself in trouble ;-) ). People come and go in a Church congregation for many reasons, it is just the way it is. We cannot force people to stay though the reverse may occasionally be necessary. However recent events have made me think about what are ‘legitimate’ or positive reasons for leaving a church and what should be considered ‘insufficient’ or negative reasons.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt; There are two broad ‘categories’ of people who leave churches. Those that leave and do move on to another church and those that leave, effectively never to return. I think very broadly speaking those that move on to another church would be considered true believers and those that leave and don’t return to the body of Christ ‘could’ (emphasis on could) be considered to not have been true believers. They partook in Christian stuff for a while but were never truly submitted and regenerate.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Please don’t hear what I am not saying. I want to make clear it is only for God to know who are His unto salvation, sheep, and who are not, goats, to use a biblical terminology. We are not to go through our churches looking to route out goats in the congregation. However it is clear from scripture that there should be fruit in a persons life if they are saved and it ‘may’ be a sign of a persons not surrendering their life to God if they show no long term fruit (but by no means the only reason). There is much more that could be said about that but that is not the point of this post (No doubt I will be accused of being judgemental etc….). But where do I get the distinction and my line of reasoning from? Well the parable of the Sower in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.esvonline.org/search/Matthew%2013%3A3/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Matthew 13&lt;/a&gt;. More on that below to give insight into why people may leave the body of Christ for all intents and purposes permanently.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;u&gt;Reasons to Leave a Church&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;ul&gt;   &lt;li&gt;Category 1 – Those that move on to another Church. This has been written &lt;a href=&quot;http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2010/07/23/good-reasons-for-moving-on/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt; far clearer and probably less controversially than I may have written it. So that link is really the answer to the question posed in the heading.      &lt;br /&gt;      &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjSDT_zeRomYrcXGTqIfDZyQudJtkhI9IRPN_R6nHQfSq7vFKtkWL5UeLDMD4KZon2liJMGbYidvXM3BnEMu8y9RA8g-ig5NPyWw3s8O-xDZ98PEeASa7bmD4tg00A6mx87h6kwsg/s1600-h/leaving-arriving%5B3%5D.gif&quot;&gt;&lt;img title=&quot;leaving-arriving&quot; style=&quot;border-right: 0px; border-top: 0px; display: inline; margin: 0px 0px 5px 10px; border-left: 0px; border-bottom: 0px&quot; height=&quot;201&quot; alt=&quot;leaving-arriving&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhXGgK8fBuNwgTG6P7CUEk68t6Itfw7XvSc2QqzCS5kRXdN2tq7DYJZjG-gftF-0g3KiuU0hWhGnAPzKIZugunEKbd87pp7vOYfXf5UHgiAcXjs6_Pp6DvvWb1jKREVsn8xE7WVPA/?imgmax=800&quot; width=&quot;244&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;What is clear from this is that there are actually few ‘good’ reasons to leave a church that you have committed to in membership and much of the time leaving has more to do with your own wrong heart attitude and pride than any actual perceived ‘good’ reason. Harsh I know but the list given under ‘Insufficient Reasons’ are all basically wrong attitudes of the heart and pride fuelled.      &lt;br /&gt;      &lt;br /&gt;That being said God is Sovereign and if a person decides to move on whatever the reason then they should go with blessing in the hope that God will use them and bless them wherever they end up. We also must examine our hearts to make sure pride and self righteousness is not causing us to think negatively towards that person. They are still our brother or sister in Christ irrelevant of church choice.      &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;    &lt;li&gt;Category 2 – Those that ultimately fall away/leave never to return.      &lt;br /&gt;      &lt;br /&gt;Looking at this second group of people is really a deviation away from the question in the heading which is mainly in regard to those that move churches.      &lt;br /&gt;      &lt;br /&gt;However it is a sad truth that over the now 21 years of being a Christian I have seen so many friends, who, for all intents and purposes appeared to be saved, turn their backs on God and His church. People that when I became a Christian and joined the youth group, seemed to be so on fire for God. Some even going on mission trips to foreign lands etc… People who I looked up to and who taught me much about God as a new believer. They Challenged me where I had incorrect thinking or actions and seemed to worship God far more enthusiastically than I did. Many of these are now living lives with no participation in the Body of Christ and with no active spiritual relationship with God. Some are even hostile to the church, full of criticism and accusation.      &lt;br /&gt;      &lt;br /&gt;Much of the criticism may in fact be true. It is true that often the late teen early twenty something age group is not catered for well in many churches. The transition from youth to adult in a church is often a difficult one. When the temptations of the World are suddenly opened up in all their life sucking glory. Suddenly the young person is no longer closely shepherded by the youth leader and can be cast adrift a bit if there is nothing in place to help the transition into the main adult congregation.       &lt;br /&gt;      &lt;br /&gt;However is it equally true that much of what is given for reasons to walk away from God are simply thinly veiled excuses to go and do your own thing. A heart truly submitted to Christ, yes can and does rebel and can live that way for a time, but will ultimately realise that living this way is foolishness and totally unsatisfying if you have truly tasted the Life Christ offers.      &lt;br /&gt;      &lt;br /&gt;It has always saddened me deeply seeing this, especially people I considered good friends. I of course don’t know their position before God. But I do know God is the father of the prodigal and will always welcome stray children home. I pray that they return and surrender to God again and that God reaches into their lives and brings them face to face with His awe inspiring majesty and beauty.      &lt;br /&gt;      &lt;br /&gt;Going back to the Parable of the sower. Where could these folks fit in with Jesus’ teaching. They seemed to respond to the Gospel so they are not the seed falling on the path, Matthew 13:4. So they must be either the Rocky Ground or thorny ground.      &lt;br /&gt;      &lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;[5] Other seeds fell on rocky ground, where they did not have much soil, and immediately they sprang up, since they had no depth of soil, [6] but when the sun rose they were scorched. And since they had no root, they withered away. [7] Other seeds fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up and choked them.        &lt;br /&gt;(Matthew 13:5-7 ESV)&lt;/em&gt;      &lt;br /&gt;      &lt;br /&gt;But what does that mean. Who are the Rocky ground people and who are the thorny ground people? Jesus interprets this parable for His disciples.      &lt;br /&gt;      &lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;[20] As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, [21] yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away. [22] As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful.        &lt;br /&gt;(Matthew 13:20-22 ESV)&lt;/em&gt;      &lt;br /&gt;      &lt;br /&gt;My understanding of these two is that the rocky ground people are those that give a response to the Gospel upon hearing it but that it is only a head/heart response. There is no spiritual soul regeneration within the person by God. Therefore they appear to be saved and do all the Christian stuff but having no root turn their backs when either pain and sorrow and hardship strike or simply find the shiny temptations of the world apparently more satisfying than Christ because they never truly saw Him to start with.      &lt;br /&gt;      &lt;br /&gt;The Thorny ground people I think are actually saved and have their soul made alive in Christ but ultimately bear no fruit because they never get much further than being saved and settle there because they are deceived&amp;#160; into being satisfied with the things of this world rather than with God. We all are to a point in this category and all go through our lives making idols of things other than God. I think it is a warning from Jesus to not be satisfied with trivial Christianity but in order to bear fruit we must be buried in and stand on the deep roots of the word and be nourished and empowered by the Holy Spirit as we are gradually Sanctified.      &lt;br /&gt;      &lt;br /&gt;Now the above two may look quite similar and only God knows the difference. They may leave the church for any number of reasons. Be it hardship in life or the hot potato of suffering, a relationship, sex, money, career but all ultimately because they have never truly been captivated and fallen in love with the beauty of Christ. &lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt;  &lt;p&gt;As I have said already ultimately only God knows the state of a persons heart towards Him and we must not go around making judgements about the actions and heart of our fellow brothers and sisters wondering if they are really saved. Be FAR MORE concerned with our own hearts and work to removing the huge planks in our own lives before judging the speck in someone else&#39;s. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;So there you have a brief look at why people leave a church and may or may not return or go elsewhere. Hopefully I haven’t said anything too out of line or controversial here!!&lt;/p&gt;  </content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/1169128932586469434/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/1169128932586469434' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/1169128932586469434'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/1169128932586469434'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2010/07/when-shouldshouldnt-we-leave-church.html' title='When Should/Shouldn’t we leave a Church!'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9pm5H8j45Mr0P6Nba0oenXTFv1ngwJ7RTjZ7nx_W5Z5u9mfiYoqZcVZwugMRvNf_CZdR7PBotjiGQXJ4tfoNDPFwiN7ub6u0ypUF-Omo61V6SSUh_BiG3HXVI_1tHl1gjYjsfNw/s72-c?imgmax=800" height="72" width="72"/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-678756552715538769</id><published>2010-06-25T15:28:00.002+01:00</published><updated>2010-06-25T15:31:54.743+01:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="iOS4"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="iPhone"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Reviews"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Technology"/><title type='text'>iPhone iOS4 on iPhone 3G Brief Review</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;This is just a quick review of my experience with the new iPhone operating system, iOS4, released on Monday. I have installed it on my iPhone 3G 16GB.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The update took a long, long, long time. Mainly because of the backup taking hours for some reason. My iPhone was nearly full so that may explain something but, wow it was a long time. The actual update and restore took less time thank goodness though I left it running at 1am on Monday night.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;First Impression&lt;/strong&gt; was ‘uh why is this taking ages to respond to anything I do?’. Yes the new OS running on an iPhone 3G has reduced overall performance significantly. No wonder they stripped out some of the new functions when running on a 3G like multi tasking and wallpapers. All stuff that takes memory which the 3G has so little of remaining once the normal tasks are running. I have had to make sure Safari is always closed properly and not just exited. (Hold standby button down until the Power Off prompt appears, then hold home until the app closes).&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Also battery life sucks under the new OS. The drainage time has increased noticeably on a device not great in the first place.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Features I like:&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;ul&gt;   &lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjW_7pFabD8H3MRq-NNLPaoGqhXv-K9pgFsGBMvJ6kts5aPcuhLAoACVuOA8HkNzDs7t8vFfIyrNsvc9Gzep13yvnpW-5EoUZ9mHT3trlrkP8FBL0jFY_tgZdU3IEEhUzTkzoDvAw/s1600-h/IMG_0079%5B4%5D.png&quot;&gt;&lt;img title=&quot;IMG_0079&quot; style=&quot;border: 0px none; display: inline; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;&quot; alt=&quot;IMG_0079&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjJJjLeRmfilR-Yz2EAik7Fv_PEuObmWetZ0_H0-njWzehZnBfYhWWIpsucJvwtPGD8qUOuv7dLvpfvYS9C3cjRYquzoerN2_w_eWVlSM6iWIc6Mfh4LT27MEMPVBRAtUeNQWZ4_Q/?imgmax=800&quot; width=&quot;164&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; height=&quot;244&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Unified Mail Box&lt;/strong&gt;: This shows all your mail accounts in one unified location, hence the name. It is useful to see all in one go and not have to constantly switch back and forth. also useful when deleting mail.     &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;    &lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgjwiRPOV5mpGCIOvXLwUmXNhGbYhq6aLc5kZ8VXRmQO8RtDZk_u9k7zDkJWCHyYrJ8YKXyH5N3VDGa4vLDfJdBtc6mZ9Ui0ptdsObixAuwTJvL5Rdz8cEhITFYtA0OCbizLs5jWg/s1600-h/IMG_0076%5B8%5D.png&quot;&gt;&lt;img title=&quot;IMG_0076&quot; style=&quot;border: 0px none; display: inline; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;&quot; alt=&quot;IMG_0076&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgO5m88vKn-zwLCv_q0gX78aJx9YRK9hAsEaHVoTxpekGgyPp1QvqTTL9rQPfyxuBygr6eZbcl9hMGzd9Bg0xe-tVX7W_W-AVawymLSxKeedK0GBK7h6-RuguIIDGSGfUrAAEK2uw/?imgmax=800&quot; width=&quot;164&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; height=&quot;244&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Application Folders&lt;/strong&gt;:  The ability to organise your apps in folders by simply dragging one on top of another is really great. It means you can reduce the number of screens you have to flick through to find apps. As long as you remember which folder the apps is in. Folder naming is important to get right.     &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;    &lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhCsQf_Ca_EDBnFavuR1YEpaHFex11pyaIz8HA8I9SG8S__PbWLo6IzFXuz7oeYuk8q_F74aDb3gzZhmWgUBgAZZf2siJ0lSd8SO84oLKD2rBx6nkPvq8f-plr0iP0Ws7nsJV7khw/s1600-h/IMG_0077%5B3%5D.png&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;img title=&quot;IMG_0077&quot; style=&quot;border: 0px none; display: inline; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;&quot; alt=&quot;IMG_0077&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEigVGBWSnoLd3W_0BhSOH6kFOL3B9nWssvkvcNfNdRNiz-hPJvjZC7vCshV2L5C087itFCA9vd6rAjNoS3Y_e9mneL7hBCjrJndJdEIqvNggquc4epyVf2yYb8MHDnu4cOYXl5ENw/?imgmax=800&quot; width=&quot;164&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; height=&quot;244&quot; /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt; iBooks&lt;/strong&gt;: This is a new, free download from the App store. It enables you to download and read books. This is a nice addition though reading on an iPhone screen can be straining on the eyes. This may be much better on the iPhone 4 with its fancy new screen or on an iPad.     &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;    &lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgkjpqYuVA_JNzcGiH0P5wYbslKxthI_dPWBa53Tl1_4v832EVMKuauj8ViCA2PacG_gPfk30cUwF-BtYU0NNFzErk2l2LOr1WjaBJ86shY3XE5fqEfHlUrisLALxdueb02RXYYzw/s1600-h/IMG_0078%5B4%5D.png&quot;&gt;&lt;img title=&quot;IMG_0078&quot; style=&quot;border: 0px none; display: inline; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;&quot; alt=&quot;IMG_0078&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEggX34XW_AyrebsyjnY5BlOsGjZmpmmLBr06owLiuHfxnPmQPcgUxaF1tBSfbx842suNOCvhWt8u5TIIqT3HMeVzmzQxKOdwS6rcpyQulORvLYF0IHFgCWLSFJihTm5qTO-gcLB-w/?imgmax=800&quot; width=&quot;164&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; height=&quot;244&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Calendar Control&lt;/strong&gt;: A small but neat new feature is the ability to just turn off displaying calendars you don’t want to see. This may sound counter intuitive. Surely you want to see your calendars. However I use Google Calendar synced from the internet as well as seeing my Wife&#39;s Google Calendar that she syncs from her Blackberry. This new feature means I can just turn off the standard local calendar and not have to switch again.     &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;    &lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgUG7lUtyHCppfjdl_lLHMwLYbaJ4zByARjPbvSli1-rkaMUt9dYQh-zuqpLyLehHWpjAoHhOMxvIeIaOb-AofxW4XGWWq4M9Z5qIcJqcBvDjEUCNUbiIENbAx5pN8Ynza3aM0Kug/s1600-h/IMG_0080%5B3%5D.png&quot;&gt;&lt;img title=&quot;IMG_0080&quot; style=&quot;border: 0px none; display: inline; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;&quot; alt=&quot;IMG_0080&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhfuqGkmUCbsCjjj5gWK272Pp68n4yH_z7TfNb_zihQz9_X4JAnZKTypo9yil7pFrJ3siNa-q1IpYxh5OxqaLE87DJhq6G4ZHfqh6A6foWb7HSuRfhoYdvGiy_mSBzBDoJgKTN8YQ/?imgmax=800&quot; width=&quot;164&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; height=&quot;244&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Open Attachments in Other Apps&lt;/strong&gt;: Now this is a useful feature and has been long on the desired list. When you receive an email with an attachment like a word doc of PDF the email app will open it in the standard iPhone reader. However you now have a new option of ‘Open In’. If you have other compatible Apps that can read those docs you get the option to open it in them. I use ‘Documents to Go’ and the option to open and then save to my synced store is a welcome feature. Finally we can transfer between apps.     &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;    &lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Other&lt;/strong&gt; new features that I haven’t yet worked out the usefulness of yet are the Notes syncing to each email account. I sync my notes to my local Outlook account when I do a sync with iTunes. Syncing to a Notes feature of Google mail is vaguely cool but fairly useless.     &lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;The spell check feature that underlines misspelled words is sort of useful.&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Overall I like the new update but the lag on doing anything is starting to get annoying. There is only one thing for it. I will have to get an iPhone 4! &lt;/p&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/678756552715538769/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/678756552715538769' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/678756552715538769'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/678756552715538769'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2010/06/iphone-ios4-on-iphone-3g-brief-review.html' title='iPhone iOS4 on iPhone 3G Brief Review'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjJJjLeRmfilR-Yz2EAik7Fv_PEuObmWetZ0_H0-njWzehZnBfYhWWIpsucJvwtPGD8qUOuv7dLvpfvYS9C3cjRYquzoerN2_w_eWVlSM6iWIc6Mfh4LT27MEMPVBRAtUeNQWZ4_Q/s72-c?imgmax=800" height="72" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-4327213302815108182</id><published>2010-06-25T12:05:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2010-06-25T12:05:29.580+01:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Abortion"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Current Affairs"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Life"/><title type='text'>New Foetus Pain Evidence is Irrelevant to Debate</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;There is much in the news today around ‘evidence’ from the Royal College of Obstetricians. Link on &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/10403496.stm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;BBC HERE&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Firstly I am not sure I entirely believe the report as there are many research folks who would disagree with this reports findings.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Secondly it states that a foetus does not feel pain before 24 weeks and is naturally sedated in the womb as well. The assumption therefore is that it is ok to abort/kill the foetus/Baby (interchange words depending on what helps you dehumanise the act) before 24 weeks and there is no medical/scientific reason to lower the limit.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;However this entirely misses the point of the pro-life debate anyway and all it will do is reinforce the pro-choice lobby’s views getting us no where fast. The logic goes along the lines of ‘it is ok to tear a baby apart in the womb because they won’t feel it’. So if you follow that logic it is ok to kill a dying person as long as they are filled up with pain killers. Or it is ok to kill a person who is paralysed from the neck down and can’t feel their body. Or as long as the death is painless frankly anyone…….. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;You cannot separate science from ethics and morality, you simply can’t. I understand scientists just stating medical ‘facts’ but that is not the be all and end all of being human.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;It is irrelevant if a baby can or can’t actually feel the pain of itself being killed in the womb. It is a human child and deserves every protection that a person who has been born deserves, period! &lt;/p&gt;  </content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/4327213302815108182/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/4327213302815108182' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/4327213302815108182'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/4327213302815108182'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2010/06/new-foetus-pain-evidence-is-irrelevant.html' title='New Foetus Pain Evidence is Irrelevant to Debate'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-3609032960190889052</id><published>2010-06-11T17:27:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2010-06-11T17:27:53.013+01:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Abortion"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Current Affairs"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Humanism"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Life"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Suffering"/><title type='text'>Jesus Ultrasound Poster and Subliminal Pro-Lifers</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj_FgVD8VhWoSJS7gR-BlZw31-TTK_dCuyijfBfPi8lFZqDtnKBjaapFjMqGigotoucTGN_IhZ3Di9GZEbJ17simVyl18vHJyQ3CeaXfT0ue7hKn57a2uuI6itMNykJTF5U7mhACQ/s1600-h/society_26080_1%5B5%5D.jpg&quot;&gt;&lt;img title=&quot;society_26080_1&quot; style=&quot;border-top-width: 0px; display: inline; border-left-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; border-right-width: 0px&quot; height=&quot;244&quot; alt=&quot;society_26080_1&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgdjqI2s4dPF-rhViH18rDWHKD-GAsVyQlW2C2e4dCXC6tOgfflDfuRXouEPk1psMU7psyB95LQtR66ES6HC6a0J3WFrtZiGF2o_glsWJ0ytTNNunBZ5bLGgMGkTapmw_uVCC7Sjw/?imgmax=800&quot; width=&quot;164&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#ff0000&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;WARNING: This is a very blunt and personal view on the issues discussed and are entirely my own views and not those of any organisation I may be associated with!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Just saw this poster that is going to be used I gather by Churches across the nation in the run up to Christmas 2010. It is an interesting concept and design and I think I get where it is coming from. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;A design to show that Jesus started as a real baby and it is an image that everyone, or at least most people, can relate to. The lower caption pointing out that ‘Christmas’ starts with ‘Christ’ etc….&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;I could take issue with the main caption in pointing out that Christ was born 2000 years ago and therefore has already arrived etc… but that would indeed be petty.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;What I found interesting was an article on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.christiantoday.com/article/jesus.ultrasound.poster.faces.opposition.from.secularists/26080.htm&quot;&gt;Christian Today&lt;/a&gt; that says secularists have got all hot under the collar about it. This following quote being classic secularist nonsense:&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;blockquote&gt;   &lt;p&gt;“It gives the impression that it was politically motivated, that they are trying to put across some sort of subliminal message,” said Terry Sanderson, director of the National Secular Society, according to The Guardian.&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p&gt;“The image is too specifically associated with pro-lifers to be seen in a benign context.”&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p&gt;Sanderson added, “They should go back to angels and cribs.”&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The last sentence showing his true colours and renders everything he said previously as not worth listening to. So as usual with these types as long as Christians stay silent and not dare speak up we can carry on in our freakish weird world of believing in God. But we must not under any circumstance have our faith say anything to rampant secularism and go poking our noses into society with our ‘moral convictions’ about truth and justice. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Sanderson is of course referring to the Channel 4 Marie Stopes adverts that ‘subliminally’ advertises abortion services.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Well Mr Terry Sanderson how is this for a non subliminal pro-life message: Abortion is the murder of the unborn! &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Of course I don’t take lightly the horrendous emotional and psychological issues surrounding abortion and unwanted pregnancy. I have heard all the arguments about what about rape, what about babies with some sort of illness or disability, a woman&#39;s right to chose etc…. But the bottom line is that for a large majority of Abortions in this country the reason comes down to inconvenience and selfishness on the part of the couple. They simply don’t want the responsibility of looking after a child at that point. There are possibly some very very few instances where there may be some grey area but rarely. How can inconvenience, timing, cost, even disability or pregnancy due to rape (extremely rare by the way) trump the right of a child to have a chance in life? No one can decide that the child&#39;s circumstances once born would be too hard and not be fair to bring them into. Who are you to make that decision?&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The issue in part comes down to the devaluing of corporate human life in the western world today. For so many different reasons but two being Darwinian evolutionary thinking and the Western idol of self. Where does an Embryo/Foetus become a human life. In UK law it is at 24 weeks! After that the medical profession and Government has deemed that you are now worthy of some protection in law! Despite much evidence to the contrary and babies being born before that time and surviving.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Again I state that I do not say any of this lightly and fully take into account the awful circumstances people find themselves in and the financial, practical and counselling help that they need and that is often not available to them. Yes it can be heart breaking and painful and mind bogglingly difficult to raise a child under, well any circumstances actually.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;But this is a human being we are talking about and once conceived has every right to existence as any other human being. It is made in the image of God, knit together in its mothers womb (Psalm 139). Oh no, there I go with that God talk again.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theoasis.org.uk/home.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;img title=&quot;oasis&quot; style=&quot;border-right: 0px; border-top: 0px; display: inline; margin-left: 0px; border-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; border-bottom: 0px&quot; height=&quot;152&quot; alt=&quot;oasis&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjqELgErSwgWvXNoCcGAJw8Ndm0EEdE8YHCGHOHF45YglawVI3TLShWLKl7ygWgRDCpxl56FQp_EwJQQAOgNujWRy1aol1zL42kwgqCoaFQq6DIC8o4z9iauZuJhZGAHIzaJXH_2Q/?imgmax=800&quot; width=&quot;291&quot; align=&quot;left&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;For a great organisation called &lt;a title=&quot;http://www.theoasis.org.uk/home.html&quot; href=&quot;http://www.theoasis.org.uk/home.html&quot;&gt;The Oasis Crisis Pregnancy Centre&lt;/a&gt; click on the link. They offer support services for women with unplanned pregnancy or women coming to terms with abortion. A Wonderfully caring counselling service they provide.&lt;/p&gt;  </content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/3609032960190889052/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/3609032960190889052' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/3609032960190889052'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/3609032960190889052'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2010/06/jesus-ultrasound-poster-and-subliminal.html' title='Jesus Ultrasound Poster and Subliminal Pro-Lifers'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgdjqI2s4dPF-rhViH18rDWHKD-GAsVyQlW2C2e4dCXC6tOgfflDfuRXouEPk1psMU7psyB95LQtR66ES6HC6a0J3WFrtZiGF2o_glsWJ0ytTNNunBZ5bLGgMGkTapmw_uVCC7Sjw/s72-c?imgmax=800" height="72" width="72"/><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-2228954870247277136</id><published>2010-06-11T15:17:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2010-06-11T15:25:01.484+01:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Muse"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Music"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Video"/><title type='text'>MUSE - Neutron Star Collision (Love Is Forever) [OFFICIAL VIDEO]</title><content type='html'>Love Muse and okay I admin it the Twilight films as well!!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object style=&quot;background-image: url(&amp;quot;http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/MTvgnYGu9bg/hqdefault.jpg&amp;quot;);&quot; width=&quot;480&quot; height=&quot;295&quot;&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;movie&quot; value=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/v/MTvgnYGu9bg&amp;amp;hl=en_GB&amp;amp;fs=1&quot;&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;allowFullScreen&quot; value=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;allowscriptaccess&quot; value=&quot;always&quot;&gt;&lt;embed src=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/v/MTvgnYGu9bg&amp;amp;hl=en_GB&amp;amp;fs=1&quot; allowscriptaccess=&quot;never&quot; allowfullscreen=&quot;true&quot; wmode=&quot;transparent&quot; type=&quot;application/x-shockwave-flash&quot; width=&quot;480&quot; height=&quot;295&quot;&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;and my Favourite track: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width=&quot;640&quot; height=&quot;385&quot;&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;movie&quot; value=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/v/TPE9uSFFxrI&amp;hl=en_GB&amp;fs=1&amp;&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;allowFullScreen&quot; value=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;allowscriptaccess&quot; value=&quot;always&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/v/TPE9uSFFxrI&amp;hl=en_GB&amp;fs=1&amp;&quot; type=&quot;application/x-shockwave-flash&quot; allowscriptaccess=&quot;always&quot; allowfullscreen=&quot;true&quot; width=&quot;640&quot; height=&quot;385&quot;&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/2228954870247277136/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/2228954870247277136' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/2228954870247277136'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/2228954870247277136'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2010/06/muse-neutron-star-collision-love-is.html' title='MUSE - Neutron Star Collision (Love Is Forever) [OFFICIAL VIDEO]'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-2478390800600188331</id><published>2010-05-10T13:16:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2010-05-10T13:19:54.791+01:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Humour/Jokes"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Video"/><title type='text'>Grotivate your Church - Funny Spoof!</title><content type='html'>This is a brilliant send up of &#39;contemporary&#39; church culture! Short video will have you chuckling for ages. If you get it!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width=&quot;400&quot; height=&quot;225&quot;&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;allowfullscreen&quot; value=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;allowscriptaccess&quot; value=&quot;always&quot;&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;movie&quot; value=&quot;http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=11501569&amp;amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;amp;show_title=1&amp;amp;show_byline=1&amp;amp;show_portrait=0&amp;amp;color=&amp;amp;fullscreen=1&quot;&gt;&lt;embed src=&quot;http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=11501569&amp;amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;amp;show_title=1&amp;amp;show_byline=1&amp;amp;show_portrait=0&amp;amp;color=&amp;amp;fullscreen=1&quot; type=&quot;application/x-shockwave-flash&quot; allowfullscreen=&quot;true&quot; allowscriptaccess=&quot;always&quot; width=&quot;400&quot; height=&quot;225&quot;&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://vimeo.com/11501569&quot;&gt;&quot;Sunday&#39;s Coming&quot; Movie Trailer&lt;/a&gt; from &lt;a href=&quot;http://vimeo.com/northpointmedia&quot;&gt;North Point Media&lt;/a&gt; on &lt;a href=&quot;http://vimeo.com&quot;&gt;Vimeo&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/2478390800600188331/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/2478390800600188331' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/2478390800600188331'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/2478390800600188331'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2010/05/grotivate-your-church-funny-spoof.html' title='Grotivate your Church - Funny Spoof!'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-8971263775713413932</id><published>2010-05-05T16:14:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2010-05-05T16:14:53.988+01:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Walk"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Current Affairs"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Humanism"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Life"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Persecution"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Politics"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Stereotypes"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="UK Election 2010"/><title type='text'>What does Toleration Actually mean today?</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;I thought I would write this brief article on Toleration. Mainly I will quote something I read in a much bigger article that can be found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.christianity.com/11629545/&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. The quote I want to look at is below.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;blockquote&gt;   &lt;p&gt;The new toleration&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p&gt;The definition of &amp;quot;toleration&amp;quot; has been inverted in recent years. Historically, toleration implied disagreement. The powerful would tolerate ideas that they disagreed with or found unpleasant; they might argue against them or condemn them, but they did not suppress the ideas through violence or the courts.&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p&gt;Today, toleration means agreeing that selected categories—typically race, gender, and sexual orientation—are value-neutral, that is, that they have no significant bearing on human worth, moral standing, etc. To suggest otherwise is to commit the one unforgivable sin of being intolerant, judgmental or bigoted.&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;p&gt;In other words, toleration has changed from referring to ideas to referring to people, and from learning to live with disagreement to agreeing that [specific] differences don&#39;t matter.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;  &lt;p&gt;In my previous post on why we should vote in the election I mentioned the issue of ‘Toleration’ and quoted a book title by D.A Carson called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1844744051?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;tag=andresvoiceon-21&amp;amp;linkCode=as2&amp;amp;camp=1634&amp;amp;creative=19450&amp;amp;creativeASIN=1844744051&quot;&gt;The Intolerance of Tolerance&lt;/a&gt;. I think that title sums up the current view of what Toleration actually means. When you strictly narrow the categories by which you define what tolerance means it inherently becomes intolerant of anything outside of it. Now for those inside those categories this is not seen as an issue and seems entirely reasonable. However for those pushed to the boundaries or who are fully excluded this becomes a major concern and problem. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The outrageous witch hunt against the Conservative candidate for Sutton, Philippa Stroud, is a prime example of this inversion of what society defines as Toleration (click &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thesimplepastor.co.uk/2010/05/it-was-bound-to-happen/&quot;&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt; for good article on Christians in the media spotlight and &lt;a href=&quot;http://adrianwarnock.com/2010/05/david-cameron-backs-christian-philippa-stroud-as-candidate-for-mp/?utm_source=twitterfeed&amp;amp;utm_medium=twitter&amp;amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AdrianWarnocksUkEvangelicalBlog+%28adrianwarnock.com%29&amp;amp;utm_content=Twitter&quot;&gt;Adrian Warnock’s&lt;/a&gt; take on it). The recent court case for Gary McFarlane is another example that highlights the shift on the way society views what is in or out of that category. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ccfon.org/view.php?id=1065&quot;&gt;Excellent article&lt;/a&gt; by Former Bishop of Rochester, Michael Nazir-Ali shows that Religious conviction is no longer viewed on a level playing field with such things as Sexual orientation or Gender identity. Therefore one set of beliefs/values subjugates another in the name of equality and tolerance in the law.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;That effective inequality is the main problem with all this legislation that the Labour government and lobby groups have pushed through. In the attempt to stop discrimination against people on the grounds of Gender, Race, Sexual Orientation, Age and Religion they have inadvertently (or purposefully if you want to be cynical) created a clash between those categories. In this post-modern, post-Christian, secular, humanistic society we call Britain, Religious conviction is trumped by all the other categories. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;I had a debate with someone on Twitter around if Philippa Stroud was a bigot and what that actually meant. The tactic most anti-Christian or Atheist people use is to simply dismiss the Bible completely and thus to try and prevent a Christian from arguing from that point of view. A Christians whole frame of reference is Biblical so it can be effective, especially over such things as Social Media as there is so little space to actually engage and debate a person. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The main contention I have is that by a person saying ‘your view is bigoted or Intolerant’ they are effectively saying my belief trumps your belief. I am right and you are wrong. So by the Oxford English Dictionary definition of Bigot are in fact being exactly that and are being Intolerant themselves. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;blockquote&gt;   &lt;p&gt;Bigot: a person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;  &lt;p&gt;We all bring our beliefs and world view to the table and to say one person is being Intolerant is simply to impose your worldview as the correct one and exclude another&#39;s. The very definition of Intolerance in the old definition above.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;However generally the person is unwilling or unable to see or accept this. To do so would open debate and allow alternative viewpoints. As far as the person I debated with on twitter was concerned I was a homophobic hateful bigot simply because I was a Christian and held to Biblical authority and they could not accept they were being Intolerant or bigoted themselves. Because of the difference of interpretation of what it means to Tolerate or be Intolerant of something. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;I truly believe this will only get worse in Britain in the coming years. It has already happened on more than one occasion that a person has been arrested under hate laws or breach of peace laws for simply repeating what the Bible says, specifically on the subject of Homosexuality. In a recent incident because the Police officer was themselves gay. It can be seen that Christians in public are targeted specifically on this subject because it will get them in trouble in Britain. Even if the laws were not instigated to do this the end result is that they are being used to suppress free speech by those that will not tolerate a moral world view that differs or clashes with their own.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Sadly these stories tend to misrepresent the Biblical world view and focus them solely on the Homosexuality issue making it more of a focus than the Bible actually places on it. Making Christians ‘sound’ like homophobes when in fact a true Christian is nothing of the sort in reality, though may be seen as one by the new definitions. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;In my view Bigot, Intolerance or phobe has fear and hate fuelling it. Religious, self righteous types can be bigots and intolerant as much as Atheist humanistic types can be. A true Christian however will not, as they recognise that every one of us on this planet is justly heading for an eternity in hell unless God plucks them from the precipice. Thanks to Jesus Christ&#39;s supreme act Love and sacrifice the way is open for just that to happen. A Christian knows that it is only by Grace they are saved through no merit in them at all. Therefore they have no grounds to be self righteous towards anyone and are free to Love and serve others. Christianity defines what it is to have true equality and treat all people with love and respect. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;But this does not mean it will agree with your world view. If you are not a Christian I cannot tell you that you are living in immoral life and expect you to change. I can only point you to Christ and if you give your life to Him then change will inevitably be the result as he changes your heart from the inside. But I can tell you that God has a better way to live, that if you live outside of that framework then things will not be as good as they could be and may in fact cause you harm. I cannot expect you to change or agree but I can point the way and this is not Bigoted or Intolerant or hateful because it disagrees with how you currently choose to live. A Christian is motivated by the Love of God for them which naturally wants the best for you.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;But don’t expect Christians to be perfect and get it right all the time. We don’t and are on a journey ourselves of being changed. Take the time to understand who it is you are labelling and what they actually stand for before you judge them, you may be surprised by what you find.&lt;/p&gt;  </content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/8971263775713413932/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/8971263775713413932' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/8971263775713413932'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/8971263775713413932'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2010/05/what-does-toleration-actually-mean.html' title='What does Toleration Actually mean today?'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-3709342170204265279</id><published>2010-04-30T10:31:00.003+01:00</published><updated>2010-04-30T12:04:06.933+01:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Politics"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="UK Election 2010"/><title type='text'>The Election and Why we should Vote!</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur=&quot;try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}&quot; href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj-6tcs6MAqy_1kWRiZgoX9tT_dvlD0hFRWfHoSIzZ51Goj5nJPbMhmS3AnxKxvjEcIN2Mxs_kQIij8mPx_XnegA8ad1qILZ7CcXw3hxyE8tey7LfiYWZR1paAZPaMZ5TSylfRauA/s1600/lleadersnew_afp.jpg&quot;&gt;&lt;img style=&quot;float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; cursor: pointer; width: 226px; height: 250px;&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj-6tcs6MAqy_1kWRiZgoX9tT_dvlD0hFRWfHoSIzZ51Goj5nJPbMhmS3AnxKxvjEcIN2Mxs_kQIij8mPx_XnegA8ad1qILZ7CcXw3hxyE8tey7LfiYWZR1paAZPaMZ5TSylfRauA/s320/lleadersnew_afp.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; id=&quot;BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5465864619377131890&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Ok so everyone has been talking, blogging, tweeting and generally being opinionated over the last few weeks about the UK General Election. So why care what I think? In short, it matters not a jot what I think.  &lt;p&gt;Unlike in the US where party allegiance seems to be very split down religious and ideological lines this is less so in the UK. I think broadly there are three categories of potential voters:&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;ol&gt;   &lt;li&gt;Those so disillusioned with MP’s and politics who just don’t care or think it matters enough and likely won’t vote. &lt;/li&gt;    &lt;li&gt;Those so entrenched in their historic political allegiance that it would not matter what the party said or did they would still vote for them. &lt;/li&gt;    &lt;li&gt;Those that have been affected in one way or another directly or indirectly over the past few years in ways that the Government have some measure of input into. eg: the Economy, Education, immigration and overseas policy. These are people that are willing to change their party according to the one that may most help them in the future in the area closest to them. &lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ol&gt;  &lt;p&gt;I have to admit over the past few election I have been in category 1. Yes I know that is not a good place to be, especially for a Christian. But I really couldn’t decided who I could vote for so chose to not vote at all. I have fairly recently seen that this, for me is not acceptable for two reasons. Firstly that I have no right to moan and complain about the current Government if I did nothing to say who that Government is. Secondly I realised that as a Christian that I should vote because it is too important to ignore. Christians have a right and responsibility to influence the world around them and that includes in the political realm.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Now I have moved to category 3. Many who know me will probably think I am really just category 2 because my Parents are staunch Conservatives and to nail my colours to the mast, yes they will be Blue! However that is not why I am voting that way. I guess due to moving into middle age over the past 5-6 years I have grown up a bit and see the impact more on society of the decisions made my local and national government. They seem to have more of an impact on me directly.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;So why category three for me? For some losing your job due to the recession will impact what message you listen to. For others being a teacher or having children in education will influence the message you are looking for. For me it is the issue of Civil Liberty and Moral Values. &lt;a href=&quot;http://adrianwarnock.com/&quot;&gt;Adrian Warnock&lt;/a&gt;, an influential UK Christian leader summed it up well in &lt;a href=&quot;http://adrianwarnock.com/2010/04/why-i-plan-on-voting-conservative-part-two-%e2%80%93-christian-values&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Labours record on law making in the name of creating a ‘Tolerant’ Britain is frankly horrendous. A book by D.A Carson sums this up in its title &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1844744051?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;tag=andresvoiceon-21&amp;amp;linkCode=as2&amp;amp;camp=1634&amp;amp;creative=19450&amp;amp;creativeASIN=1844744051&quot;&gt;The Intolerance of Tolerance&lt;/a&gt;. The laws designed to create a society of Tolerance and diversity have done the opposite. Britain has become a most intolerant society especially towards those of faith and even more specifically those of the Christian faith. You see the idea of Tolerance only works when it is applied evenly to everyone. Unfortunately that is simply not the case in the UK. One persons rights now trump another&#39;s with religious belief at the bottom of the pile. We have become a society that is scared to offend or at the least disagree with another persons viewpoint in case they accuse us of being a bigot or of being a whateverphobe and hurting their feelings. This effectively stifles real open honest debate and makes one group wary and suspicious of the motives of another group. You are not a bigot just because you disagree with someone!&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Now I certainly don’t agree with all the policies or moral convictions of the Conservatives but they do tend to be less intrusive into the day to day lives of their citizens unlike Labour who want to control every facet of our existence and will fine or imprison you if you dare to speak out on moral issues (Ok that is a bit of an exaggeration but seems to be broadly the direction we are heading). If you want to come down to real personal convictions as to why I could not in all conscience vote for Labour I could sum it up in one person, Harriet Harmon! She has systematically pursued a humanistic amoral liberal agenda within the labour party and would be the first to condemn you for being intolerant for disagreeing with her! Click &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.christian.org.uk/mpvotes.php?selection=&amp;amp;value1=114&amp;amp;submit1=SHOW&amp;amp;value2=1&quot;&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt; to see how she has voted on all the moral issues over the last few years to get my point!&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Whatever the result of next Thursday I know that God is sovereign and I trust Him fully. I may personally be disappointed with anything other than a Conservative majority but God is in ultimate control and will achieve His good purposes whatever happens in my small timeframe of existence. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Happy and thoughtful Voting to you all!!&lt;/p&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/3709342170204265279/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/3709342170204265279' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/3709342170204265279'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/3709342170204265279'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2010/04/election-and-why-we-should-vote.html' title='The Election and Why we should Vote!'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj-6tcs6MAqy_1kWRiZgoX9tT_dvlD0hFRWfHoSIzZ51Goj5nJPbMhmS3AnxKxvjEcIN2Mxs_kQIij8mPx_XnegA8ad1qILZ7CcXw3hxyE8tey7LfiYWZR1paAZPaMZ5TSylfRauA/s72-c/lleadersnew_afp.jpg" height="72" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-9148287734403236462</id><published>2010-04-12T20:57:00.001+01:00</published><updated>2010-04-15T10:24:06.406+01:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Walk"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Emotions"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Humility"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="John Piper"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Life"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Pride"/><title type='text'>Humility from the Heart and The search for Pride!</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;I have been pondering the meaning of humility in the Christian life recently. Partly due to an increasing awareness of the gaping distance between what I see in my own heart and where I think God would want me to be. Also because of the recent announcement by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.desiringgod.org/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;John Piper&lt;/a&gt; that he is stepping away from all and every ministry for 8 months to work on his soul and his marriage. (If you listen to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.desiringgod.org/download.php?file=http://cdn.desiringgod.org/audio/2010/20100328_audio.mp3&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;THIS sermon&lt;/a&gt; 21:10 minutes in, John Explains his reasoning for this!)&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEip0WIvDw7bpQRYjK2Hkez_LO6jmaVqqzLlL6vtS_x1uxa716_oskioOFuFABCiwAUXkvSGTWGq6TK-73Yq23SDPlxTFgUk78eLHOzmvdKNNfBAAPThyRS5Mqc4ZQ-nlHzld1ZEtg/s1600-h/Piper_ResourceLibrary_8%5B3%5D.jpg&quot;&gt;&lt;img style=&quot;border: 0px none; display: inline; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px;&quot; title=&quot;Piper_ResourceLibrary_8&quot; alt=&quot;Piper_ResourceLibrary_8&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgPOqICEf1SZ9FnK5_oCIgtJl2AzTLJ0iZQWJVfI4zCkmZINIItZKystOoav1SHhtZgpdxL1XiJCu2bjLMJ0b0A7cUBIANDAGj3giftvGXkwy_-t9N_qwkiVzGndBzfPu5YqXNnnw/?imgmax=800&quot; width=&quot;240&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; height=&quot;158&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;One of his reasons for this is because he sees in his heart what he calls  ‘&lt;em&gt;several species of pride in my soul that, even though they may not rise to the level of disqualifying me for ministry, grieve me, and have taken a toll on my relationship with Noël and others who are dear to me.&lt;/em&gt;’ (The Full &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/2010/4556_The_Son_of_Man_Must_Suffer_Many_Things&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;text is here&lt;/a&gt;, scroll to the bottom) &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;When I heard about this and the reasons for it I was frankly stunned. For someone of such a high profile, who is so passionate about the ministry of preaching and teaching, to walk away from it all demonstrates a level of self awareness and humility that is so rare among leaders. To step away on the grounds of, in his words ‘&lt;em&gt;What will happen in my soul and in my marriage when, to use the phrase of one precious brother on staff, there will be no “prideful sipping from the poisonous cup of international fame and notoriety”?’&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Wow! To go to that length on order to search his heart to weed out any hint of pride, idolatry etc… I pray many leaders, even in the tiniest of churches take note and examine their hearts likewise. Now everyone can’t just step away from their jobs for 8 months to do this. John Piper is in a privileged position to be able to do so. However the principle is still there. Whatever area of ministry you are involved with what is your motivation for doing so?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;So what does the Bible say about Humility?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Philippians 2:3 Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;1 Peter 5:5 Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Ephesians 4:1-2 I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, urge you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling to which you have been called, 2 with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love,&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;and its Opposite, Pride?&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Proverbs 8:13 The fear of the Lord is hatred of evil. Pride and arrogance and the way of evil and perverted speech I hate.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Proverbs 11:2 When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with the humble is wisdom.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;and one of the most misquoted scriptures of all:&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Proverbs 16:18 Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Isaiah 2:17 And the haughtiness of man shall be humbled, and the lofty pride of men shall be brought low, and the Lord alone will be exalted in that day.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;h3&gt;Pride&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The bible has huge amounts to say about Humility and Pride. Now in our culture the value of the two seems to have become reversed. Pride in oneself, ones job, ones possessions, abilities etc is seen as good and humility is seen as weak and undesirable. Yet God requires humility and is squarely against pride that places anything else in Gods own rightful place. Requiring that we submit to God as sovereign and ruler over every aspect of our life and lay down our own desires and pursue His Agenda not our own. That is the call on the Christian that God makes. This is what it means when Jesus said “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.” Matthew 16:24 and Luke 9:23&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;However pride is not just seen in external actions. Mostly it is buried in the heart. Jesus said in Matthew 15:18 “what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart”. What he is saying is that it is the heart that determines what you say, think and do. I have recently become aware of a staggering Pharisaical pride in my own heart that I find hideous and abhorrent. Anyone who really knows me will tell you that I do not like to be wrong and even less admit it when I am. I am opinionated and there is nothing wrong with that per se. However when pride dictates that you have to win the argument at any cost, that you are right and everyone else is wrong, that your way is the best if not only way, then you are a Pharisee plain and simple. As I said I see this in my own heart and I hate it. I think if I met me there are occasions when I would punch me for being an arrogant idiotic know it all. Taken to its ultimate conclusion you can even start to think that God saved you because of some value in you, that Gods Kingdom would somehow not be quite as good without you in it. That you are so special that you can get away with some things and God lets it go ‘cause you are a special case’. Lies, evil lies, and more lies!!!!&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;But Pride shows itself in so many subtle ways it is staggering. This is not surprising since the root of sin is pride. Sin is basically putting something or someone in the place of God. Pride says God cannot be trusted! Pride says I know better than God how to run my life. Pride says I am better than that person because I don’t …… (fill in your judgemental attitude here). Or how dare that person judge me. Pride says there is no God. I won’t apologise to my spouse. I wish those parents would shut their children up, I would never let my kids do that. Pride says you cannot come anywhere near my heart. I will not surrender my heart and soul to God. Pride is the loud extrovert who controls the conversation and the self deprecating quiet ‘meek’ person who won’t speak up and give an opinion. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The worst kind of pride is the kind of religious pride I see in myself and in the church (in general not mine in particular) so often. The judgemental attitude towards non Christians, the way the service is run, that we are free and dance about or that we are respectful and quiet. My theology is correct theirs is not. It can be seen in leadership that won’t admit mistakes and hurts the flock as a consequence. I could go on but I hope you get the idea. Pride is everywhere in the human heart.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;James 4:6 “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;God opposes the proud. Now that is a scary place to be!!! You really do not want the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe to oppose you. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;So how do we combat this cancer of prideful sin?&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;h3&gt;Humility and Good News&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Humility is pretty much the opposite of pride, but how do we become less full of pride and more humble? The answer lies in the cross and what it achieved and why it was necessary. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Basically we have committed treason against a Holy and righteous God. We have contradicted every moral directive He has laid out and first and foremost we have put created things in the place of the creator. We have taken God away from His rightful position as Sovereign Ruler and put ourselves in His place. Now because of this God has every right to wipe us from the face of the earth. There is not one innocent person on this planet who has any claim against God’s just right to send any one of us to an eternity in hell. There is no case to plead, no appeal, no witness we can bring that will stand before a Holy and Just God and not wither into nothing. If you think that is unfair then would you consider justice to have been done if a High Court judge simply let off a murderer, rapist, thief, any law breaker? No you wouldn’t! If a Judge said to a rapist, you were caught and are undeniably guilty of this crime, but I’ll just let you go, that would be the most wrong and unjust action. But the crimes each of us has committed against God are simply on a scale many times greater than any crime that can be done on earth. If you sin against an infinitely Holy God then the judgement and punishment must match that infinite crime. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;So what hope is there?&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;If Justice cannot be served without the punishment fitting the crime then how can we ever be saved? God is not just an Infinitely Holy and Just God. He is also an infinitely loving, merciful and gracious God. God had a plan from before the universe came into existence. A glorious plan that wonderfully highlights and points to His amazing, loving Grace. Jesus, fully God, humbled himself and entered our fallen world as fully man. A perfect sinless man. He never once broke God’s moral directives/law. He died on the cross, an unimaginably tortured and gruesome death. But that wasn’t the worst part. On that cross for those few hours God turned away from Jesus, and poured out the eternal punishment due to us, onto His son. The marvel of the cross is not just in the physical nature of the act but in the spiritual nature. Jesus became sin, who knew no sin, for us (2 Corinthians 5:21). He took our due punishment and not only that imputed, clothed us in, wrapped us in, his righteousness. The great exchange as it is known. When God looks upon one of his Children He sees a clean, holy, pure, righteous child, without stain or blemish. But the rub is that it applies only if you believe, trust in and surrender your life to Him. God desires every one to be saved and his arms are outstretched to you with the invitation. The invitation of new life. Jesus also rose from the dead and through that resurrection gives us spiritually dead people new life for eternity. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;So what has this to do with Humility. Well on the grounds that there is absolutely nothing in me that deserves anything other than an eternity in hell and that I am only saved by what Christ did on the cross I have nothing to boast in except Christ crucified. (1 Corinthians 2:2 and Galatians 2:20) My pride has no say in my being saved. I did nothing, God did it all. When you grasp the magnitude of this truth and let it sink into your soul then Pride is revealed and diminished and Humility takes its place. The wonderful, glorious, freeing truth that the Sovereign, infinitely Holy, infinitely Righteous, infinitely Loving and Gracious God reached down and saved me for no reason except by His sovereign Grace extended towards me. Justice is still served and I go free. How awesome and amazing is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I am free and adopted into the family of God. I get to worship Him forever. Not out of Duty but out of love and thankfulness. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;That is the antidote to Pride in the heart. It takes a lifelong journey to let this truth sink in and transform you. But there is no greater Joy in the Universe that knowing your heart being satisfied in worshipping the beautiful creator of the Universe and my heavenly Father.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;(Edited to Correct the dodgy spelling. Teacher told me off!!!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/9148287734403236462/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/9148287734403236462' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/9148287734403236462'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/9148287734403236462'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2010/04/humility-from-heart-and-search-for.html' title='Humility from the Heart and The search for Pride!'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgPOqICEf1SZ9FnK5_oCIgtJl2AzTLJ0iZQWJVfI4zCkmZINIItZKystOoav1SHhtZgpdxL1XiJCu2bjLMJ0b0A7cUBIANDAGj3giftvGXkwy_-t9N_qwkiVzGndBzfPu5YqXNnnw/s72-c?imgmax=800" height="72" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-1458408846450279309</id><published>2010-03-03T22:47:00.010+00:00</published><updated>2010-03-06T17:29:47.031+00:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Doctrine"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Walk"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Healing"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Life"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Suffering"/><title type='text'>My First Sermon - Suffering, Sovereignty and Security in Christ</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;This is a sermon I gave at a cell cluster meeting.  It is a very personal story and written as someone in it rather than  looking in. It is as much aimed at me as anyone who reads it. It is a heart laid bare and vulnerable. Yes it is quite dark and probably depressing but hey, it’s real life. Enjoy is probably the wrong word!!&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;h3&gt;Introduction&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Good evening everyone. Before I start please open Romans 8.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tonight the title of my talk is &lt;b&gt;Suffering, Sovereignty and Security in Christ&lt;/b&gt;. In order to give you an understanding of why I chose to talk on this difficult topic I would like to share some events that happened in my life that are relevant to my journey with suffering. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;To balance what I am about to share there have been wonderfully joyful and blessed times as well. It isn’t all doom and gloom.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;ul&gt;   &lt;li&gt;My dad left when I was 12 years old to live with another woman. &lt;/li&gt;    &lt;li&gt;At secondary school I suffered 3 years of persistent emotional bullying up to and including my O level year. &lt;/li&gt;    &lt;li&gt;At age 16 I developed severe acne which meant I had open weeping sores on my face and back for over a year. &lt;/li&gt;    &lt;li&gt;By the time I was 17 I was depressed, face down and alone with the feeling no one, apart from one or two very good friends, cared. &lt;/li&gt;        &lt;li&gt;Two weeks before my 18&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; Birthday God sovereignly stepped into my life and saved me.(&lt;a href=&quot;http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2006/05/so-why-did-i-become-christian.html&quot;&gt;Click here for that Story&lt;/a&gt;). &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;(Edit from Original) The intervening 21 years filled with various trials and personal struggles. Some too recent and personal to share on a public forum such as this.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt;  &lt;p&gt;I say none of this for sympathy or to claim I have a monopoly on suffering. I don’t! There are people who have gone through far deeper suffering than I have and I am sure some of you are in this room tonight. I tell you this simply to say I have grappled with the question of why suffering exists and what is its purpose?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is such a huge topic and I cannot hope to tackle the subject in any depth and I don’t have all the answers. What I offer is where I stand today in my walk with God and the questions I have wrestled with in the past few weeks.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The heart of the issue is this:&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;a name=&quot;OLE_LINK2&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a name=&quot;OLE_LINK1&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Do I believe that God is good and just and that I can trust him with my heart in the face of what life throws at me or am I better off on my own protecting myself?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;It’s a question everyone asks at some point. It is at the heart of the fall and at the heart of the very core of sin.... Pride!!&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;But let’s step back and take a few minutes to look at why there is suffering in this world. I then want to look briefly at the Sovereignty of God in suffering and finally to approach that question and look at how we can be Secure in our hope in Christ during times of trial. All in 25 minutes, or maybe 3 hours!&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;h3&gt;Why is there Suffering in this World?&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;p&gt;When faced with a world filled with the horror of both Natural and Moral evil, we need a firm foundation on which to stand or when suffering hits us, which it will, we will choose that latter option in the question and decide God can’t be trusted. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Turn on the news to hear stories of Natural disasters and the death and suffering that ensues, like the earthquakes in Chile and Haiti recently. Then there is the Staggering evil that humans are capable of doing to one another and on and on it goes. Is it any wonder that you so often hear the cry ‘If God is good, why is there all this suffering in the world?’ You may have asked that? &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;So let’s bring some biblical context to the existence of suffering.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Romans 8:18-25 gives us an idea of why suffering exists.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. 23 And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;There are a few things to point out here:&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;· The whole of Creation, not just man, is in bondage to corruption and is subjected to futility and this covers the majority of History.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;· There was a point when it wasn’t like it. In Genesis 1-2 creation was called Very Good by God. No death, suffering etc... So something happened to change Very Good to death, decay, disease, global disasters and suffering etc...&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;· v20 says that creation was subjected to futility by someone, it didn’t just happen by itself. It was good then it wasn’t. Who did that? God did it, God subjected. God is the ‘him’ of verse 20.&lt;br /&gt;You see, Adam and Eve had committed an act of Cosmic Treason against God and as Sovereign Judge and creator He had to pass sentence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The sentence passed could seem like a staggering overreaction and totally unfair.&lt;br /&gt;But if you take an infinitely Holy, Glorious and Just God in one hand and the Sin of Adam and Eve let alone the entire world in the other, the scales of justice balance towards Him. God was right and appropriate in His sentence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are called to Love God 100%, with all our heart (Matthew 22:37). First Commandment! I’ve failed in that every minute of this day let alone my whole life, a sin no less grievous than eating the apple which brought down the entire universe. Every one of us stands in rebellion to God. No one is innocent and it is only by Gods Grace that there is any good in the world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Romans 6:23 states the punishment for sin is death. Everyone will die! With the when and how decided by God!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All Suffering, not just ours is designed to point us to the Horror, outrage and seriousness of moral evil before an infinitely Holy God. We should be broken in repentance when we see suffering and staggered by Gods unmerited Grace.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Luke 13 Jesus is asked, if the people who died when the tower of Siloam fell on them were more sinful than others. He indicated that &lt;b&gt;WE&lt;/b&gt; should have been under that tower. “Unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;All suffering in the world has its ultimate root as a direct result of Sin.&lt;br /&gt;That gives a brief overview of the Global Picture of Suffering from a Biblical perspective. It gives us a framework within which to shape our view suffering. Now I want to zoom in on God’s Sovereignty in and over our suffering.&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;h3&gt;Gods Sovereignty in and over Suffering&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;p&gt;So what do I mean by God’s Sovereignty. There are various views on this in the Christian church. Ranging from a liberal fairly powerless ‘Sovereignty’ to Sovereign authority deferring to mans absolute Free Will. My working definition is this: &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;· God is absolute Sovereign over the entire Universe and nothing, &lt;b&gt;Nothing&lt;/b&gt; happens in the Universe without God’s ultimate permission.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Each view, whichever you have, creates a whole host of theological questions if you follow their respective logic. I’ll briefly detail two biblical examples to lend some support to my view.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Take the story of Job! He was a man of great wealth, with 7 sons, 3 daughters, many servants and livestock. In one day Job lost all his children and property in 2 natural and 2 man made disasters.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Two reactions from Job point to God’s sovereignty. Job 1:20-22 reads: &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Then Job arose and tore his robe and shaved his head and fell on the ground and worshiped. 21 “Naked I came from my mother&#39;s womb, and naked shall I return. The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;In all this Job did not sin or charge God with wrong.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;And Job 2:10: &lt;i&gt;Shall we receive good from God, and shall we not receive evil?” In all this Job did not sin with his lips. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Job held to God’s absolute providential will as primary cause and worshiped God.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Job never finds out why these things happened, but we do. Satan approached God and twice asked for permission to challenge Job’s Godly obedience. God first gives Satan permission to take Job’s wealth and family and then to take Job’s health, but not his life. It is hard teaching but we’ll see some of God’s providential purposes in it later.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;I have three points to make about Gods sovereignty over suffering:&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;1. God is Sovereign over all things including Life &amp;amp; death, Natural and moral evil and over Satan. Things would be far worse without God graciously limiting Satan’s ferocious appetite for evil. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;2. Satan clearly has a hand in all manner of suffering but is a secondary cause. He is the one that actually carries out and is therefore accountable for many evil acts and intends them for our harm, but God has a primary purpose in all things and uses what Satan means for evil for our Good and His Glory.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another example is Joseph’s story! In Genesis 50:20 he says to his brothers “what you meant for harm God meant for good”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here it can be said that Joseph’s brothers carried out an evil act and are entirely to be held accountable for it, yet at the same time, God had a plan in it to bring about a greater good through it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God cannot be held responsible for Evil but does use and permit evil acts for his redeeming purposes and ultimately for His Glory! See James 1:13-14&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Scripture clearly teaches that on the one hand God causes all things to happen but he does so in a way that somehow preserves our ability to make real choices that have real results and that we are fully accountable for. How God does this is not clear in scripture but the overwhelming evidence in scripture is that both are somehow true.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The ultimate demonstration of this sovereignty is the death and resurrection of Christ. Planned from the beginning of time. Not as plan B in response to the Fall but the centrepiece to the demonstration of Gods Glory, Justice, Love, Grace and Mercy and absolute ruling authority over all of history.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;3. This brings me to my final point about Sovereignty. If we are not careful we could end up viewing God in His sovereignty one the one hand as being like an uncaring capricious father who does what he wants for no rhyme or reason or on the other as mere robotic Fatalism? But they both totally miss the meaning of Gods Sovereignty.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Spurgeon commented:&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;What is fate? Fate is this – whatever is, must be. But there is a difference between that and Providence. Providence says, whatever God ordains must be; but the wisdom of God never ordains anything without a purpose. Everything in this world is working for some great end. Fate does not say that.... There is all the difference between fate and Providence that there is between a man with a good eye and a blind man.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;God works all things according to the counsel of his will!&lt;b&gt; Ephesians 1:11&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;We can take great comfort in Gods sovereign purposes even when we cannot see the whole picture.&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;h3&gt;Eternal Security and our Sanctification in Christ&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;p&gt;So Suffering is in the world on account of Sin and all things are governed by Gods Sovereign Providence, including our suffering. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;So what do we do with all of this? How does it help when the storm strikes?&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;The logical conclusion of my expressed view is that it was God’s will that my Dad left home, that I was bullied and had acne; and God has some great purpose in it. On the one hand those things are abhorrent to God from his revealed word yet at the same time in God’s providence He willed they should happen. As much as that is a hugely difficult concept to grasp I believe it absolutely biblical. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;How you deal with suffering entirely depends on your view of God. To go back to my original question:&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Do I believe that God is good and just and that I can trust him with my heart in the face of what life throws at me or am I better off on my own protecting myself?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;I have five observations I would like to make about coping with the storms of life, in order to help answer that question?&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;1. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;It is ok to feel pain&lt;/b&gt;. If we take Job 1:20, which we often overlook for verses 21 and 22:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;20 Then Job arose and tore his robe and shaved his head and fell on the ground and worshiped. 21 “Naked I came etc...”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;There is deep pain in that verse; he mourned his loss to the core. His 10 children were dead, what deeper pain can there be than that for a dad? For seven days he sat silent as did his friends with him. The only thing they got right. Yet in his pain he acknowledged and found security in Gods sovereignty and gave God glory. Not singing a happy clappy praise song or quoting “greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world”.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Trusting God doesn’t anaesthetize pain. It is true we should never despair as we are not without hope but don’t ever pretend that God desires some stoic self resolve to carry on as normal. Pain is meant to disrupt and be felt.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Western Christianity seems to avoid the problem of pain. Some even claiming that it is never God’s will for us to feel pain or suffer if we are saved. They’ve clearly never read Paul. We’re uncomfortable around those who are in pain. Maybe it’s just me but we instinctively feel that we shouldn’t feel pain as joy filled evangelicals. We can feel we’re somehow failing God because we don’t feel better and aren’t full of joy. We’re allowed a week maybe, but then we feel we should be better and it’s back on with the mask of: “How are you?”, “I’m fine”! Afraid to reveal our weakness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The song stained Glass Masquerade by Casting Crowns, sums that up perfectly:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With walls around our weakness, And smiles to hide our pain. The performance is convincing, And we know every line by heart, Only when no one is watching, Can we really fall apart. But would it set me free, If I dared to let you see, The truth behind the person That you imagine me to be? Would your arms be open? Or would you walk away? Would the love of Jesus Be enough to make you stay?&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:85%;&quot;&gt; ((c) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.castingcrowns.com/&quot;&gt;Casting Crowns&lt;/a&gt;, Written by Mark Hall)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please don’t go paddling up that river in Egypt! Denial is dangerous to the heart and body. Repressed Pain will work its way out in other ways. Addictions, compulsive disorders, cynicism, angry outbursts from nowhere, bitterness to others, or escapist pursuits designed to anaesthetise painful emotions. Ultimately long term denial of pain leads to a dead heart unable to feel Joy, happiness even Love. Repressing –ve emotions leads to ALL emotions being taken down and ultimately depression. Trust me!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But Read Psalm 88! It is a psalm that is so dark and desperate and uniquely has no happy ending. It is there to tell us it is ok to feel pain. To cry out to God when we don’t feel He is there.&lt;br /&gt;There is a time to weep and mourn. You must work it through and let God bring Grace in it and eventually healing. If not now, fully in heaven.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We will groan inwardly in this life as Paul says in Romans 8:23, and outwardly because we are only sojourners in this world, it is not our home. This is only temporary. This leads me to the second point.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;2. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;We do Have Glorious HOPE!&lt;/b&gt; Hope deferred makes the heart sick, Proverbs 13:12. God knows we need hope to survive. In Jesus’ resurrection we find our ultimate hope for new life. But that’s another sermon!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Going back to Romans 8:18-25, it is full of glorious hope:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;V18 Jesus will return and we will see a beauty so Glorious and all satisfying, finally seeing Him as He really is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;V19 &amp;amp; 23 We will be transformed. These bodies of ours, with all their disease, sin, suffering will be changed into His likeness, fully redeemed. Glorified bodies, able to enjoy God and creation the way we were meant to. No more tears or suffering!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But not only our bodies the entirety of creation is transformed, like nothing we have ever imagined.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Suffering and death holds out no hope for a non Christian but for those who are in Christ it is no longer a curse. Death has lost its sting and is redeemed. It is a passageway to Glory. We have hope!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But if our heart is not set on Jesus and this future hope, we will set our hope in what we can see and control. In an endless list of idols like TV, sex, drugs, comfort, Church, family, house, job, spouse, holidays. See Jeremiah 2:13&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do we Settle for muddy cess pits now, or look to our future all satisfying eternal hope in Christ.&lt;br /&gt;Future hope helps us see our suffering in the perspective of Gods eternal plans.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;3. &lt;b&gt;Three Observations about the purpose of Suffering for a Christian.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;a. &lt;b&gt;Firstly Suffering is never futile for a Christian&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.&lt;b&gt; Romans 8:28&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No amount of good theology is able to take the pain out of suffering. However it does give hope and enable us to suffer well and persevere.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We sometimes do not know the purpose for our suffering and we will wrestle with questions like: Why me? Why now? What’s the point? How does this help? But we must remember we don’t have the whole picture, as Job didn’t.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Asking why is not wrong but the truth is, we may never see what the purpose was this side of heaven.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Corrie ten Boom, who suffered much during World War II when she was imprisoned for helping Jews said:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;‘the suffering of the world is like looking at the bottom of a tapestry. God is weaving it from the top down, and he sees the picture developing. We&#39;re looking at it from the bottom up, and we&#39;re seeing all of these tangled threads. It doesn&#39;t look like it&#39;s making any sense at all, but it&#39;s the same tapestry’.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;b. &lt;b&gt;Secondly Suffering is for our Sanctification&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the absolute darkest moments we cling to God because there isn’t anything else to cling to. We know nothing else brings us any true hope at all. Ultimately that is Gods good purpose. Suffering is permitted and used by God to graciously wean us off of dependence on ourselves and onto trusting fully in Him. Away from idolatry to true worship. It’s all about sanctification.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This was God’s purpose with Job. Satan’s goal was to show that Job would disown God if he didn’t have his wealth, family and health. That Job only loved God because of the blessings he had received and if he lost it all he would disown God. It was a challenge to God’s goodness and infinite worth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is always Satan’s goal in blessing or suffering. To challenge our need of God in plenty or our faith that God is good and trustworthy in suffering.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Either way, in suffering or blessing, to draw us away from holding God as the highest treasure in our lives and to take away our Joy in Him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God’s purposes are the exact opposite. (&lt;i&gt;James 5:11. Romans 5:3-4)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In losing his health and prosperity God demonstrated both that Job held God as all sufficient and also revealed the lurking pride in his heart.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When things go wrong God is not punishing you if you are a believer, it is not punitive. It may be discipline if you are suffering because of your own sin. But either way it’s the Grace of a loving father going to any length to restore his children to wholeness!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To reiterate, God’s purposes when times of suffering come are to graciously reveal sinful pride in our own hearts and draw us to dependence on Him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But in order to understand what God would teach us we need to examine our heart and souls response to suffering. How does your heart respond to suffering? Ask yourself that question when things go wrong. It is a great gauge to how much you trust God with your heart.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 Peter 1:6-7: &lt;i&gt;In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials, so that the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honour at the revelation of Jesus Christ.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When faced with suffering we have a choice! Get angry with God, wave our fist and choose option two of my question; ‘If that’s the way you treat me I’m better off alone!’ or engage with your heart and realise that what God is doing in our suffering is to refine and purify us. To remove the dross in the furnace of suffering like a surgeon targeting and cutting out the disease; yes it hurts, but the result is greater wholeness and ability to draw near to God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let us not be afraid of searching our hearts, scared that we are becoming too self preoccupied. There is a big difference between looking inward, being brutally honest and wrestling with God about how you feel than to navel gazing for self pity’s sake. One is self centred the other is for the sake of learning what God would teach you about Him and about yourself in the midst of suffering. It requires humility and results in repentance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don’t waste the opportunity trials bring for you to learn and be further transformed into the likeness of Christ.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;c. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;Thirdly Suffering for the purpose of Helping others and to Glorify God&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2 Corinthians 1:4 &lt;i&gt;Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 4 who comforts us in all our affliction, so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any affliction, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The final thing I want to say about the purpose of suffering is that when we are suffering and if/when we are through it we are enabled to help others and Glorify God in the process. I can testify to God using my story to enable me to come alongside those with similar history.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;James Tiberius Kirk once said ‘How we deal with death is at least as important as how we deal with life’. (Yes that is a Star Trek reference)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;How we approach suffering and ultimately death says much about who it is we place our hope and trust in. When the world sees us honestly wrestling with suffering of any sort and not losing hope that is one of the greatest pointers to our Saviour we can make. &lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;4. &lt;b&gt;We must never take Grace for Granted or put God on Trial.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When things go wrong, I think it fair to say, we tend to presume upon His Grace instead of being amazed by it and we forget he is Just in everything He does.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We put God in the dock when things go wrong; we put Him on Trial as Job did! I look back over my Christian life and can see several times when I have set myself as Judge over what God has allowed to happen, even small things. “What are you doing God? That’s not the way to deal with that person. That will just turn them away from you, if you just did this and that”.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Or we wave a fist shouting “That’s not fare!” demanding that God give an account of himself to explain his treatment of us. Stamping our feet like spoilt children. Can you hear the arrogance in that? This highlights the core of what God wants to reveal and remove in our Sanctification, Pride!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are not the centre of the universe. God is not a Genie to be called upon to make us comfortable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Romans 11:33-34 says: &lt;i&gt;Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! “For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counselor?”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Go back to what I said about the correlation with Suffering and Sin. When we see or experience suffering we must remember the outrageousness of sin not the injustice of God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Eternity in hell is fair. Death is fair. Jesus nailed to a cross..... that’s undeserved Grace.&lt;br /&gt;Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me!&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;5. &lt;b&gt;God is not indifferent to our suffering. We are fully Secure in Him!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 Peter 4:19 - &lt;i&gt;Therefore let those who suffer according to God&#39;s will entrust their souls to a faithful Creator while doing good.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;Hebrews 4:15-16 - &lt;i&gt;For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus went through more suffering than we can ever imagine. Take the enormity and outrage of the Sin committed against God that I have tried to communicate and remember that on the cross Jesus took the punishment that was deservedly ours upon Himself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Multiply the sin of Adam and Eve by the thousands that we have committed then by the whole number of the human race and know, that Jesus’ suffering and death matched every one of those universe crushing sins, demonstrating His infinite love and worth in the process.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Though God may seem so silent and so distant in our darkest times He is 100% for us. The Cross shouts that to us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? ...Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord&lt;/i&gt;. Romans 8:31-39&lt;/p&gt;    &lt;h3&gt;Conclusion&lt;/h3&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Hopefully I haven’t depressed you all. I pray that you hear God’s heart for you. We all have seasons of plenty and blessing as well as seasons of sorrow, sometimes all mixed up. How we respond and let God shape and change our hearts in both seasons is of equal importance. It is all part of the journey of Sanctification we are all on. Your willingness to engage with that determines how much God is glorified and you are sanctified.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;So Do I believe that God is good and just and that I can trust him with my heart in the face of what life throws at me?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;In all honesty, Yes... and No. We have fickle hearts. Just a few years ago I would have reacted very differently,  “It’s so unfair” would have been my cry! But because of how I now view God’s sovereignty and because last year in my search for understanding what Joy in God meant I was challenged by and took to heart Matthew 13:44&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;“The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man found and covered up. Then in his joy he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God is the ultimate Treasure in the universe and source of Joy! It is Him we must cling to when the storms come. If I reject God there is nothing else. There is no one who truly understands us, enters our suffering and who will never leave or forsake us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Who will walk through the valley of the shadow of death and give us hope and a future, Jesus will. God is in absolute sovereign control of all things. We can trust Him with our hearts! We can trust in his perfect justice! We can trust in His glorious undeserved Grace and Mercy. He sent Jesus. He IS Good!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I lift up my eyes to the hills. From where does my help come? My help comes from the Lord, who made heaven and earth&lt;/i&gt;. Psalm 121:1-2&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Thank you for listening!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/1458408846450279309/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/1458408846450279309' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/1458408846450279309'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/1458408846450279309'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2010/03/my-first-sermon-suffering-sovereignty.html' title='My First Sermon - Suffering, Sovereignty and Security in Christ'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28653122.post-8451202088986074007</id><published>2010-02-12T10:34:00.001+00:00</published><updated>2010-02-12T10:34:18.770+00:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Doctrine"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Christian Walk"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Sam Storms"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Stereotypes"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Video"/><title type='text'>Sam Storms and Adrian Warnock on being a Reformed Charismatic</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;Great interview and Wisdom from a couple of wise men of God on bringing together two camps of Christianity that haven’t always seen eye to eye. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p&gt;Or put it more simply, seeing what the Bible sais about it!!!&lt;/p&gt; &lt;object width=&quot;400&quot; height=&quot;225&quot;&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;allowfullscreen&quot; value=&quot;true&quot; /&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;allowscriptaccess&quot; value=&quot;always&quot; /&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;movie&quot; value=&quot;http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=9176423&amp;amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;amp;show_title=1&amp;amp;show_byline=1&amp;amp;show_portrait=0&amp;amp;color=&amp;amp;fullscreen=1&quot; /&gt;&lt;embed src=&quot;http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=9176423&amp;amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;amp;show_title=1&amp;amp;show_byline=1&amp;amp;show_portrait=0&amp;amp;color=&amp;amp;fullscreen=1&quot; type=&quot;application/x-shockwave-flash&quot; allowfullscreen=&quot;true&quot; allowscriptaccess=&quot;always&quot; width=&quot;400&quot; height=&quot;225&quot;&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;  &lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://vimeo.com/9176423&quot;&gt;Sam Storms On Pastoring As A Reformed Charismatic&lt;/a&gt; from &lt;a href=&quot;http://vimeo.com/adrianwarnock&quot;&gt;Adrian Warnock&lt;/a&gt; on &lt;a href=&quot;http://vimeo.com&quot;&gt;Vimeo&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;  </content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/feeds/8451202088986074007/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/28653122/8451202088986074007' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/8451202088986074007'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/28653122/posts/default/8451202088986074007'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://andrewsvoiceuk.blogspot.com/2010/02/sam-storms-and-adrian-warnock-on-being.html' title='Sam Storms and Adrian Warnock on being a Reformed Charismatic'/><author><name>Andrew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10873367968534872219</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry></feed>