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Lesnar didnt just lay on top of mir and squeeze th...

2009-07-13T02:20:24.392-04:00

Lesnar didnt just lay on top of mir and squeeze the life out of him? You honestly think its poosible to sit on a guy like mir and stop him breathing? A jits expert who has had 300+ pound guys on top of him? YOu are wrong kat, about the fight.

What lesnar was doing was controlling mirs hips. By controling mirs Hips he could stop alot of the submission attemtps. Its called BJJ defense 101. He cant beat mir in a BJJ fight. He was using basic wrestling. It was a pure wrestling VS BJJ fight. Mir made a huge mistake in the 2nd fight, and paid the pirce. He allowed lesnar to back him up on the cage, and then was unable to out wrestle Lesnar when, lesnar started stiffling hiss BJJ. Lesanr played the smarted , better game than mirs wreckless jumping knee up against teh cage. Had mire circeled out of there instead he stood a huge chance of knocking out lesnar. Mir needs better footwork and wrestling to beat Brock.

First off, this is my first time commenting, so wh...

2009-07-13T02:20:08.193-04:00

First off, this is my first time commenting, so when Katrina said "Hey Eric" I think she meant "Hey Spencer". Also I'll add that there were some good comments that never got published, because they were anonymous.

I don't particularly like Brock Lesnar. I don't really care for his predominantly wrestling style or his disrespectful demeanor. So I hope someone kicks his ass. But until that happens, I give the guy his props for winning. And at the same time I have to admit that his personality is brilliant as a media draw.

Its ridiculous for anyone to suggest that the manner in which he wins is some how invalid. I don't understand why anyone thinks they can place artificial requirements on what it means to be a professional MMA fighter. Bushido? Where's that in the rules? I'll keep saying this, MMA is not traditional mixed martial arts, and the octagon is not your dojo. MMA is combat sports. Mixed martial artists are prize fighters.

Lesnar is a heel. You don't have to like him. I don't. But I don't feel that he diminishes the sport by any means. All the clowns in the media that talk trash about MMA - that's just great publicity.

Who suggested that fighter's should "win at all costs" anyway? I think no one, so why bring up the cheating analogy? It doesn't make sense. Its one thing to not enjoy or appreciate a fighter's style, but to suggest its invalid in unacceptable in MMA is ridiculous. There's nothing WRONG with Lesnar laying on his opponent. Considering who his opponent was, it was smart. Its not like there isn't a standup rule if he were REALLY JUST laying on Mir as you suggest. I wish Lesnar were a more dynamic fighter, even in his grappling, but a look at Mir's face after the fight suggests that Lesnar did a lot more.

As for the drug allegations, I would not be surprised if were on something. But a comparison of his physique from then and now shows that he isn't on the same thing he was on when he was wrestling. Compared to then, he looks down right flabby now.

I suspect that almost every fighter that can afford HGH is using. No matter how much they claim to be "The Natural."

And to end on a positive note, how cool is it that people say "...his style isn't as flashy as say Machida..."

1. I agree with the sentiment. I think Lesnar is ...

2009-07-13T00:38:52.897-04:00

1. I agree with the sentiment. I think Lesnar is minimalized. But I don't agree with the Machida comparison. I think its more likely that someone will dethrone Lesnar than Machida. Obvioulsy that list includes Fedor, but it is not limited to...

2. I don't see how GSP's performance puts him over Anderson Silva or Fedor, who are also dominating their divisions and aren't going the distance all the time.

3. I couldn't agree more. A was amazed how many people picked Bisping to win.

4. I only agree with you in that, ideally every judge would score the fight the same way. But as Keith Kizer recently mentioned, the judges do see things from different angles. Personally I gave Akiyama at least three rounds. The last was very close. I think Akiyama's appearance overshadowed that he was landed equally.

Good job and congratulations on your picks Spencer. You showed me up this time around.

8-3 E. Spencer Kyte
7-4 Nicholas Bailey
6-5 Eric Kamander
4-7 Joey Blogna

How appropriate that the UFC Hall of Famer, Mark C...

2009-07-12T23:35:06.334-04:00

How appropriate that the UFC Hall of Famer, Mark Coleman should be victorious at UFC 100.

When I first heard that Coleman had defeated Bonnar I thought "wow, maybe Coleman really came in shape?" But watching the fight, I thought he looked like the same Coleman, lumbering through mud.

I wonder what went through Bonnar's head when he realized he was getting beat up by Mark Coleman and was probably going to lose.

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I really like Danzig, but it seems pretty clear wh...

2009-07-12T23:08:16.879-04:00

I really like Danzig, but it seems pretty clear where his ceiling is.

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I think we saw a tentative Jon Jones in this fight...

2009-07-12T22:43:57.583-04:00

I think we saw a tentative Jon Jones in this fight, which is pretty cool. Jake O'Brien, coming down from heavyweight, was a tough challenge.

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So much for the rising star of TJ Grant. R:2 A:3 ...

2009-07-12T22:27:02.054-04:00

So much for the rising star of TJ Grant.

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Congratulations: E. Spencer Kyte. You're the man f...

2009-07-12T22:12:52.854-04:00

Congratulations: E. Spencer Kyte. You're the man for our UFC 100 pick em'

8-3 E. Spencer Kyte
7-4 Nicholas Bailey
6-5 Eric Kamander
4-7 Joey Blogna

You're right, Lesnars conduct last night was absol...

2009-07-12T18:56:36.567-04:00

You're right, Lesnars conduct last night was absolutely deplorable, and he should be seriously reprimanded for it.

But I have to agree with Spencer. The fact that Lesnar laid and his opponent and beat the piss out of Mir is perfectally fine. People always say "well he only uses his size". Is it wrong to use your best asset to win fights? Absolutely not.

Its like saying that the only reason GSP wins fight is because he's fast, of course he's going to use it to his advantage. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Lesnar fan, but because his style isn't as flashy as say Machida, or Silva, theres no reason to bash it. It's simple, its slow, but it works.

I think its very likely that brock and many others...

2009-07-12T18:19:58.799-04:00

I think its very likely that brock and many others are on some sort of performance enhancing drug.

steriods.. no probably not. Hgh ? hmm probably yes. There is no real test for HGh as of yet as it's a natural occuring hormone in the human body. To think you can train at an elite level in MOST sports and not at times dabble. it is silly. Honestly. The wasteful effects of constant training alone puts your body into a catabolic state which one fights constantly to stay out of. It is not easy to cut weight, eat light, train like a nut and deplete water weeks before only to swell back up as fast as possible after weigh in...

Barry Bonds plays into his 40's his HAT size grew. If you know about these substances you can take steriods from now til the cows come home your muscles will grow. thats it, (well maybe your heart, etc) but HGH is the ONLY substance on the planet that will grow bones.

ways to notice HGH use/abuse. Bigger skull, extremities. distended stomachs, (rounded muscular bellys starting at the top of the sternum. (from organ and rib cage growth) tight taught skin, not a bloated steriod look, rather a younger looking appearance to an aging fighter. Look at sooo many. I am not saying that all these guys do it. but why is it so hard for people to think brock did or does something?

Listen if you read about WWF/WWE they ALL did steriods and TONS of it. Brock was 330 in WWE. please do a google search and explain to me how thats not HUGE massive amounts of steroids. There is one thing for a man to be huge and massive, look at brocks build.. All uppper body, small legs. thats not a proportionate build thats a build that he wasn't born with. Bone structure yes, muscle structure he had help... These are just my opinions though no one hold me to the fire please.

The UFC was originally a tournament to see which f...

2009-07-12T16:27:34.332-04:00

The UFC was originally a tournament to see which fighting style would come out on top. That's what we saw last night- Lesnar's tactics were successful. Why is it not ok for him to use every advantage available (no, not steroids) to win the fight? That's what Frank did to him in their first fight, and that's what Lesnar did last night. As for his post-fight behavior, it was classless and unnecessary, but he apologized and I take him at his word. Time will tell if he can truly put his childish habits behind him.

Katrina - I understand and hear you loud and clear...

2009-07-12T16:23:13.623-04:00

Katrina - I understand and hear you loud and clear. We just have differing views with this.

I guess what it comes down to is that if you and I switched places with Dana White, you would exclude Lesnar from the UFC for lack of traditional skills, while I would give him a job and that works fine for me.

I am very well-aware of the history of positive te...

2009-07-12T16:19:25.395-04:00

I am very well-aware of the history of positive tests in MMA and the failed tests of guys like Stephan Bonnar and others.

You're also very much entitled to whatever opinion you have. You think I'm an asshole and Brock Lesnar is a steroid user. Fine.

Personally, I don't see the point of baselessly attacking someone and calling them a steroid user when nothing in their history gives credence to that statement. Just because he came from pro wrestling doesn't mean he's a steroid user and holding that belief is unreasonable to me.

You can speak all you want and think what you want. From now on, I think I'll just choose to ignore most of what you say...

Hey Spence -- I hear what you're saying but being ...

2009-07-12T16:19:20.824-04:00

Hey Spence -- I hear what you're saying but being a "traditionalist" as Eric calls me, I certainly don't agree. To my mind one should NOT win at all costs...that's called cheating. Now before everyone freaks out, I'm not saying Brock cheated...just explaining my point of view. What I'm saying is...this is "mixed MARTIAL ARTS", not "mixed LAY ON YOUR OPPONENT" - so for me and many who think as I do, you should be using skills to win. You should not be trying to win at all costs.

One of my Sensei's fought at a tournament. He and another fellow were both up for 1st place in sparring. This other fellow had just fought an opponent and won...but he broke his foot in the process. When it came time to fight with my Sensei, he stood in the middle of the ring, touched gloves, backed away a prepared to fight. My Sensei did the same. The judge yelled "fight" - and while he took to his fighting stance, my Sensei bowed to his opponent, and then touched the floor and yielded. He gave up an easy win and gave his opponent the win instead. THAT is what I'm talking about, and that is my history. Brock would have probably taken the guy down and ripped his foot off, and then gloated about it.

i need to shut up? because what, you don't like so...

2009-07-12T16:06:00.820-04:00

i need to shut up? because what, you don't like something i said? are you honestly going to say people can't fool tests? please say that, because then i have something i can simply point to and call you a moron.

baseless attacks that drag the sport into etc etc? bull. shit. you know where the sport is? it's in the same fucking muddied waters already, jackoff, because PEOPLE ALREADY TESTED POSITIVE FOR IT. Did you know that? Did you know that both competitors for the UFC's lightweight belt tested positive for roids not that long ago? did you know that many of the guys on the card last night already served suspensions for roids and banned substances? just because you don't like it doesn't make it not true, and just because you're unhappy about it doesn't mean i can't talk about it. it's there.

you seem mainly upset because i spoke? i'll say it again: Brock Lesnar looks like a steroids user to me. he comes from a "sport" that is notorious for roids abuse. he has had several emotional freakouts, busting a door, yelling at a beaten opponent, and his insane interview in-ring with rogan, that make me think he's emotionally unstable, another issue with steroids.

so if you can't handle it, YOU SHUT UP, asshole.

Katrina, I agree 100% about the lack of respect b...

2009-07-12T16:04:25.841-04:00

Katrina,

I agree 100% about the lack of respect before and after the fight. Show some class, acknowledge the battle and move on. Like I said, he was in the wrong.

When it comes to his technique and what that makes him, I just think that we discredit what he does too quickly. It's not pretty, but it's effective and what he does best, so you have to go with what works. I would love for him to become a BJJ black belt and submit guys, but right now, his size, strength and weight advantage to wear an opponent down and pound on them is his style and there is nothing wrong with that to me.

Maybe it's that I don't long for the sport to remain as pure as you do, if you know what I mean? I don't have any problem with Lesnar's tactics as a fighter...

People keep calling him a bully and faulting him for doing what he is supposed to do - WIN FIGHTS! Nothing says he has to go about it a certain way. We don't fault Mir for using his superior BJJ in beating Brock the first time, so why doesn't the same hold true the other way?

Because people love to hate Brock Lesnar and that is okay... I just feel the other way.

Oh yeah...and as far as "wrestling skills" ---- wh...

2009-07-12T16:02:54.464-04:00

Oh yeah...and as far as "wrestling skills" ---- what EcnarM said!

I'm not saying Lesnar wasn't doing his fair share ...

2009-07-12T15:57:55.797-04:00

I'm not saying Lesnar wasn't doing his fair share of shit-talking before the fight either and agreed that he was an asshole post-fight too.

What kills me is how various people believe that one assclown like Lesnar outweighs countless great competitors like GSP, Machida, Anderson Silva and Randy Couture?

Yes, he got the most mainstream attention, but he's also all over the place today talking about how Dana chewed him out, just like Dana immediately went into defensive mode post-fight to remind everyone that that isn't what the UFC is about.

As for this ridiculous statement: "because he's not a roid-raging meathead," you and the rest of the ever-so-quick to claim steroids posse need to shut up and not because I'm a Lesnar fan, but because (1) he's never tested positive, EVER, in a lifetime of testing and (2) thanks for wanting to make steroids an MMA discussion when you and everyone else making comments like that have absolutely no footing for such claims.

Boo him all you want. Dislike him all you want. Don't make baseless personal attacks at him that drag our sport into the same muddied waters inhabited by baseball.

Hey Eric - no worries...love ya' back and certainl...

2009-07-12T15:53:05.898-04:00

Hey Eric - no worries...love ya' back and certainly I respect your opinion.

The thing w/the no touching of the gloves, as I said, we've seen happen, and I can understand that when you first start a fight, especially in light of all the trash talking. BUT...when the fight's over, at least between most fighters, the war's over and it's time to make good. Brock went from bad to worse. Just like w/Shamrock and Diaz - talk about trash talking! But at the end of the fight, Diaz was helping Ken up and they were hugging and congratulating each other. Huge difference.

And the difference between Matt Hughes and Brock is night and day. Hughes does not just lay on his opponents, squishing the air out of them, trying to avoid being out-maneuvered. He works it when he's on the ground and uses his incredible skills. I weigh more than my daughter and could beat her if I laid on her too, but she'd kicked my ass with her skills if I tried to use mine against her. Hughes has skills and he uses them to win. Brock doesn't and he doesn't use anything but his weight to win. To me it's kind of like the bully who gets his friends to hold down the little guy and keep him still so he can punch him. That's Brock.

I don't think I'm wrong - they both talked trash, and I know Mir's no angel - in fact I've always thought of him as a bit of a jerk because of his brash attitude and ego. However, my point is that many fighters trash each other before the fight...they have to give the fans something to get worked up about, and the UFC wouldn't have a pre-fight video if they didn't. But when they step into the ring, they touch gloves and start fighting...and then afterwards they show respect to their opponent. Frank Mir did those things - Brock did not.

I'm sure a lot of people welcome him, and looking at Dana laugh and giggle behind Brock after the fight I'm pretty sure he was thrilled with his WWE-like performance as well. But I think you're going to find a lot of people were disgusted.

This does boil down to the same discussion we've had before: I'm a traditionalist and you aren't, so we'll probably never agree on this type of issue.

Would anyone else care to join me in a Bud? ;-D

lesnar fought a smart game. he has no standup skil...

2009-07-12T15:47:58.932-04:00

lesnar fought a smart game. he has no standup skills and indeed deployed his own horseshoe to catch couture in their fight.

HOWEVER. his complete assclownery before and after the fight (if you honestly think he wasn't talking shit too, you're not paying attention) deserves all the boos thrown his way. the fact is the guy was the most-seen UFC fighter. he got coverage all over mainstream media. and he is what will keep MMA in its position as a freakshow, not a mainstream sport, no matter what we fans may say. whichever MMA-hating ESPN analyst happens to be doing the piece just has to shake his head, laugh, and say "What, like Brock Lesnar? Suuuure they're sportsmen."

frank mir is a cocky jackoff, sure. most of them are. but when the fight is over mir shuts it down. because he's not a roid-raging meathead.

lesnar won, good for him. he's a complete asshole, however, and I look forward to the inevitable beatdown he will receive. so lesnar won. The fans and other fighters all lost. Nice.

Katrina, you know I love you, but there are parts ...

2009-07-12T15:25:58.011-04:00

Katrina, you know I love you, but there are parts of this that I certainly don't agree with.

His words after the fight were deplorable and deserving of some form of punishment greater than the tongue-lashing Dana White gave him. That we agree on.

The refusal to touch gloves before hand I don't have a problem with one bit. Frank Mir has been talking shit about Lesnar for months and showed him no respect, so why do we hold Lesnar to a higher standard? Mir is the one who claims to be a true martial artist and preens like some kind of modern samurai, so where was his show of class or respect leading up to the fight?

Why is Lesnar's lay and pray technique so deplorable and devoid of skill when Matt Hughes used his wrestling base to do the very same thing for years with great acclaim? It ain't pretty and he's no true MMArtist, but it's effecting and winning is the aim.

As purists, we might want to see more skill and technique, but the dude is paid to win, not appease the fans desire for technical mastery? After all, Jorge Gurgel was super-exciting and now he's super-exciting outside of the UFC.

I'm sorry, but you're dead wrong about Mir being a good sport. All he's done is insult Lesnar and talk smack about him leading into this fight, so he deserved the ass-whoopin' he got, but no one wants to talk about that.

He may not be welcomed in MMA in your eyes, but he's welcomed in mine.

Welcome to the UFC Tom Lawlor. This guys quite a ...

2009-07-12T15:23:26.680-04:00

Welcome to the UFC Tom Lawlor. This guys quite a comedian. So much for Dolloway.

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Gugerty continues to impress. No reprieve for Gri...

2009-07-12T14:58:54.056-04:00

Gugerty continues to impress. No reprieve for Grice.

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well... Brock completely dominated Mir. is he a va...

2009-07-12T14:57:00.200-04:00

well... Brock completely dominated Mir. is he a valid champion yet? who else does he have to beat up? he beat who was considered the best heavyweight in the UFC in Couture. then he humiliated the guy who got lucky and put the one loss on his record.

I couldn't agree more. Maybe a few of the knuckle...

2009-07-12T14:30:18.203-04:00

I couldn't agree more. Maybe a few of the knuckle dragging Lesnar fans learned what true ground control and ground fighting was by watching GSP, but I doubt it.