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Best Buy pre-order page for the Motorola XOOM is back

2011-02-22T14:44:00.001-08:00

After a couple of false starts, it looks like Best Buy has put the Motorola XOOM on it's site to stay. The Honeycomb powered tablet is being offered with 3G for now but is upgradeable to 4G. The price of $799.99 is listed on the page, but any pre-orders must be done at a Best Buy store.

What you can order online are the accessories for the tablet which includes a dock for the XOOM that costs $49.99. The dock offers a separate speaker for enhanced audio, and features an adapter plate and an AC wall power supply. Other extras include a $39.99 portfolio case and a Bluetooth wireless keyboard. This full-sized QWERTY, priced at $69.99 is powered by two AA batteries and will work on most of Motorola's Android offerings.

The last accessory offered by Best Buy and available to be ordered online is the HD Speaker Dock for $129.99. With Noise-Canceling technology, sound is improved. The dock also allows your XOOM to make hands-free video chats with the Speakerphone mode.

Of course, there is no sense in ordering the accessories online now unless you go into one of the big box stores and pre-order the Motorola XOOM in person. Anyone planning on spending their Sunday at Best Buy?

BlackBerry Bold Touch brings back the Bold 9000's awesome QWERTY keyboard

2011-02-22T14:44:00.000-08:00

Remember the first time you got a good look at the BlackBerry Bold 9000? The handset's keyboard became a gold standard for physical QWERTY keyboards with .its large keys and easy to feel "fret-like" separation of the letters. Since the release of the BlackBerry Bold 9000, RIM has taken a step backward with its QWERTY keyboards and even the one on the Bold 9700/9780 is more cramped than the one on the Bold 9000. That is why Berry users are very happy to see the BlackBerry Bold Touch (aka Dakota or Montana) feature a QWERTY keyboard that is very similar to the one on the BlackBerry Bold 9000.

The GSM flavored model has a 2.8 inch screen with resolution of 480 x 640 and 287 dpi. A 5MP rear facing camera offers HD recording at 720p, and "Image Stabilization" along with Flash. 8GB of memory comes on the device as well as 768MB of RAM. 32GB of memory can be added with a microSD card.

And for those who want something cool on their new 'Berry, the trim around the keypad lights up. Add that to the outstanding QWERTY keyboard on the Bold Touch, an optical trackpad, support for NFC and it sounds like RIM has a winner here. Considering all of the positive feedback RIM received about the Bold 9000 QWERTY keyboard, putting it on a touchscreen model can only be a positive as it brings easy typing to those who like to use a physical keyboard even on a touchscreen phone.

Honeycomb ported over to HTC EVO, HTC Droid Incredible and HTC Desire HD

2011-02-22T14:43:00.001-08:00

A trio of HTC Android phones have had the Honeycomb SDK preview ported over to each phone. The HTC EVO 4G, Droid Incredible and Desire HD are the three smartphones that were used for this "experiment". While not really functional, it does show some of the new things that Honeycomb has in store for upcoming Android tablets.

It's interesting to see the bits and pieces of Honeycomb as they appear on a smaller smartphone screen. It makes you look forward to seeing how good the OS will operate on the larger 10 inch tablets coming soon like the Motorola XOOM and the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1.

L.A. residents get offer from T-Mobile for free myTouch 4G for today only

2011-02-22T14:43:00.000-08:00

With T-Mobile a major NBA sponsor, what could the carrier do to celebrate today's NBA All-Star game in Los Angeles? How about offering any L.A. resident a free myTouch 4G (in black, only) with a signed 2-year contract. A tweet sent out by the carrier gives out the details of the offer which is available today only.

Perhaps the rest of the country might consider this to be unfair, but for those in L.A. looking for a 4G phone at a great price, free is hard to beat. In fact, you might consider this offer to be a slam dunk. Of course, there is that little matter about the new 2 year contract, but if you have an upgrade collecting dust, or you are looking for a new carrier, you might as well take advantage of the offer. Oh, one last condition-the free handset can be ordered online only!

Your Android device needs a charge? Here Comes the Sun!

2011-02-22T14:41:00.000-08:00

One of the major complaints from those who use handsets loaded with the Android OS is that the battery seems to run out early. Most handset users don't like to carry their A/C wall charger with them, and if they do have the charger, there isn't always a place to plug it into. That is why the Umeox Apollo offers a very interesting option for recharging-solar power. The handset was recently introduced at the MWC in Barcelona.

Two variants are being produced. One model (MTK6573) is made for U.S. users, runs on AT&T's frequencies, and is expected to launch in Q3 of this year. The other model (MTK6516) is designed for Europe and much of Asia and should be released next quarter..

Spec-wise, this phone is already well behind the curve with a 3.2 inch display with resolution of 320 x 480. The Apollo has 1GB of internal storage and does come with a microSD slot. There is a 3MP camera on the back and the device comes with an FM radio.

According to the manufacturer, it will take 2.5 hours of sunlight to have the tank filled for every day usage. On the other hand, going from empty to full will require a fairly hefty 17 hours of sunlight. There is no word on how much the unit will cost.

Best Buy shows an on-line simulator of the HTC Thunderbolt

2011-02-22T14:40:00.000-08:00

If you've been waiting for Verizon's HTC Thunderbolt to be released, it looks like things may be getting a bit closer, as the Best Buy site now has an on-line simulator for the phone. It still doesn't give a release date, which has been rumored from last week through February 28th, but keep in mind you can pre-order it with a $50 deposit at their store locations.

The simulator shows some information about the phone, such as 360 degree overview of where the power button, earpiece and camera are located (like you couldn't figure that out yourself?), as well as how to use the software, streaming video, and camera. Under the 'discover more' section it will guide you on how to download and install apps though the Android Market, connect to a Wi-Fi network, use Google Maps for driving directions, setup and pair with a Bluetooth device, add and remove desktop widgets, and how to setup the Wi-Fi Hotspot. All of this is pretty basic stuff, as nothing too advanced is shown, but at the end it does list all of the phone's specifications.

It's still not a release date, which is what everyone is waiting for at this point, but there are also listings on the Best Buy site for the Thunderbolt's screen protector and purple soft-shell case.

Windows 8 tablets running on ARM chipsets might be coming as soon as the holidays

2011-02-22T14:38:00.000-08:00

Microsoft has reportedly set aside about a 1000 strong army of engineers to work on Windows 8 powered by ARM chipsets, instead of the x86 Intel architecture, a first in history. Moreover, the Redmond-based software giant is now working with one goal in mind - to put Windows 8 on a tablet as soon as possible, and, if rumors turn true, will be ready with the touch-optimized UI of Windows 8 on tablets for the holidays this year, or early into 2012. Steve Ballmer even demoed some of it at the CES show last month.

While the advantages of moving Windows to ARM-based silicon are numerous, mainly in the performance/battery life ratio, Microsoft needs to move even faster, so as to ensure at least some presence in the tablet world. By this year's holiday season Honeycomb slates and iPads will be everywhere in our homes, and the tablet would have received enough critical mass of popularity for Microsoft to swoop in and grab some share with its robust driver and legacy software support. Even with the iPad enterprise adoption it is still raking in about $100 per device in access and license fees to its corporate software.

Excited about Windows 8 on ARM-based chipsets? We'll be when we hear what battery life can Microsoft give us. Windows 7 was sped up because of Vista's lackluster acceptance, and now Microsoft is moving even faster with Windows 8 as the competition is threatening to marginalize it altogether if it doesn't move along.

Motorola ATRIX 4G gets the root treatment before even landing on your porch

2011-02-22T14:37:00.000-08:00

We got a tip from the popular AT&T developers designgears that over at the venerable XDA-Devs modding community they have set up a separate thread for the soon-to-be-released Motorola ATRIX 4G to discuss its root, created together with Getafixx, and tested on a retail model as well.

Wait, what? It's not even out yet, and it has already been rooted? Now that's dedication, why do manufacturers bother to lock the device anyway. Some of the early preorders of Motorola's first dual-core handset are supposed to be arriving today, as we reported.

Now not only you will be the first to own a dual-core handset on a major US carrier, but you can now also be the first to own a rooted dual-core phone, if potentially voiding warranty is not one of your worries. You can find the tutorial here.

NEC MEDIAS E-04C takes the crown of the world's thinnest Android phone

2011-02-22T14:36:00.000-08:00

Leaked on a Japanese blog two days before its official release on the NTT DoCoMo netowrk, the NEC MEDIAS E-04C has one very impressive feature - it is the thinnest smartphone to date, with just 0.3" (7.7mm) of waistline.

And it is just days since the thinnest smartphone in the worlsd - the Samsung Galaxy S II - was officially announced, and weeks after we previewed the previous thinnest - the Sony Ericsson Xperia arc - so wake us up when we can fold these around styli.

The device is running Android 2.2 Froyo, and still manages to pack in a 4" display, as well as an NFC chip for mobile payments and the like. There aren't any other spec details at this point but this leaked booklet of the NEC MEDIAS E-04C, but February 24th is fast approaching, so we will know more at the grand unveiling in Japan. From the booklet below it certainly seems that there will be both a black and a white version of the world's thinnest smartphone.

If this is what's hiding inside NTT DoCoMo's Spring portfolio, there are sure to be other surprises that we will reveal to you as they get unveiled.

A minor WP7 update to arrive in the next few days

2011-02-22T14:35:00.000-08:00

An unconfirmed report claims that a minor WP7 update, which will open the door for the first major refreshment of the platform, is to come as soon as February 22, which is tomorrow.

The rumour states that this update won't bring any additional features to WP7, but will be needed for the first major update of the platform, which is popularly known as NoDo. As you most probably know, it is set to bring copy-and-paste and CDMA support to Microsoft's mobile OS.

The NoDo update is expected to grace the WP platform in the second week of March.

Honeycomb ported to the Google Nexus One, still an early build

2011-02-22T14:34:00.001-08:00

One of the guys at XDA-Developers decided to practice his rooting skills on the Google Nexus One, and the result is one very early Honeycomb build for the HTC handset.

As can be expected, plenty of features are not working right now - among them making and receiving calls, text messages, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, sound, camera and so forth - so this version's target group seems to be developers rather than end consumers.

However, fixes are surely on the way, and it's refreshing in itself that a handset released in March 2010 can receive some Honeycomb love.

T-Mo: Samsung Galaxy S 4G coming on February 23 for $199.99

2011-02-22T14:34:00.000-08:00

A previous statement coming directly from T-Mobile claimed that the Samsung Galaxy S 4G is to arrive with a $149.99 price tag, but now the updated T-Mo press release says this refreshed version of the Samsung Galaxy S is to cost $199.99 on a two-year contract after a $50 mail-in-rebate.

This updated info is no doubt disappointing, but here comes the good news - online retailer Wirefly is doing what it does best and offers the very same handset for $139.99, while RadioShack has it for $149.99.

The Samsung Galaxy S 4G is set to appear on February 23, and it will be the first phone on T-Mo's HSPA+ network to support theoretical speeds of 21+Mbps. For more info, hit this link for our hands-on with the device.

geohot promises to hack Sony Ericsson Xperia PLAY, requests support for his court battles

2011-02-22T14:33:00.000-08:00

One household nickname in the root community is geohot (real name George Hotz), and that naturally means that some manufacturers like Sony and Apple are not very keen on this talented developer.

Actually, Sony has brought him to court for his PlayStation 3 jailbreak, but not all companies are frowning down on his efforts - one such example is Brandon Watson, WP7 director, who has challenged him to root Microsoft's mobile platform.

To show that he stands by his principles, geohot has publicly announced that he will be "first in line" to get the Sony Ericsson Xperia PLAY and root it:

"In fact, I want the opposite reputation set, that the more a company tries to abuse the legal system, the harder we rally back. I will be the first person in line on the launch date of the Xperia Play, and itching to get my hands on the Next GEOHOT Project."

He is also pleading for popular support in his court battle against Sony. Hit the source link to read his rant against the Japanese manufacturer.

AT&T to launch Personal Hotspot with iOS 4.3?

2011-02-22T14:32:00.000-08:00

Verizon iPhone 4 owners have been lucky when it comes to wireless tethering as the Personal Hotspot feature is exclusive to iPhone 4 owners on Big Red's network. AT&T, however, might be preparing to launch Personal Hotspot for its users as well. The carrier reportedly agreed to provisioning the feature for iOS 4.3 beta 3 for a developer.

The update will be made publicly available with iOS 4.3, which is rumored to come out at the end of the month. The feature might put even more pressure on AT&T's network as it allows for up to 5 devices to wirelessly tether to the iPhone. Currently, Verizon charges an extra $20 a month for Wi-Fi tethering and AT&T will probably introduce a fee as well. In comparison, users who chose to jailbreak their iPhone have the option to use the MyWi app, which mimics the Personal Hotspot functionality and comes at a one-time charge of $20.

Great task managers for Android

2011-02-22T14:31:00.000-08:00

So you have this fancy new Android smartphone that you just can’t get enough of. You're texting and tweeting and browsing and downloading and pretty much anything else that’s imaginable. While you are using your smartphone nonstop, you might have noticed that your battery drains rather quickly. In fact, you could probably go as far as saying that the battery life sucks big time. This is because every little thing you do, every application that you open on your Android smartphone continues to run in the background even when you aren’t using it. If you want to know what applications are the best when it comes to helping improve your Android’s battery life, read on.

The best and easily the most popular task killer is appropriately named Advanced Task Killer. Aside from being very easy to use, it is very effective. What this app does is list everything that is running on your phone’s background. Everything listed has a green check mark next to it which means that app will be closed when you press the “kill selected apps” button. If you want something to continue running in the background, such as a streaming music app like Pandora, just uncheck it. Moreover, there is a setting that will kill applications automatically. It’s simple, effective and won’t cost you a dime.

Another popular app that can greatly improve your battery life is called Juice Defender. Fortunately, this is another free app although there is an optional Ultimate Juice add-on that will run you a few bucks. For now, let’s just focus on the basic app. Truth be told, this app isn’t very basic at all. There are a few different task manager levels to choose from such as aggressive and extreme. Juice Defender does such things as turning off data when you are not using it. Trust us when we say that goes a long way in improving your battery life. The app will actually show you in the notification panel how much of an improvement you can expect to see. This is a highly recommended app.

Advanced Task Manager is another great app worth considering. Don’t let the name or the logo fool you, this application is from a different developer than Advanced Task Killer. The main purpose of this app is to save battery life, speed up your phone, free up memory and of course kill tasks. It has been downloaded a few hundred thousand times for the cost of nothing. Some other nice features include the killing off apps when the screen shuts off, one-click kill widget, quick uninstaller and even support for Android 2.3 (for when anyone not using the Samsung Nexus S gets it). Give it a try, you won’t be disappointed.


Advanced Task Killer	Juice Defender	Advanced Task Manager

The name advanced gets used a lot for these types of applications, and that holds true for another solid battery saver called Advanced Battery Improve. This application takes features that make others so successful and blends them into one package. When you first open the app, you will notice a list of everything that is running in the background, similar to Advanced Task Killer. It will also turn off things such as data when the phone isn’t being used. The developers boast that the app will improve battery life as much as 30%-50%, so give it a try. It is also free.


Advanced Battery Improve	Android Booster	Super Task Killer 2011

There are plenty of other applications to consider. You might also want to try out Android Booster and Super Task Killer 2011, all of which are free. Some paid apps worthy of some serious consideration are System Panel App/Task Manager and the Pro versions of Advanced Task Killer and Advanced Task Manager. However, the four that we detailed above should suit your phone nicely and get the job done. So take that new fancy Android phone of yours and text, tweet, browse and download a way because now you know what applications to download to make your battery life suck a lot less. Tell us what you think of these applications in the comments below!

Taking a 3D image with the LG Optimus 3D

2011-02-22T14:30:00.001-08:00

Ah, the LG Optimus 3D! The first phone capable of displaying 3D content glasses-free, a device we got to hold and play with at MWC. Also something that we'll be telling stories about to our grandchildren one day. Or maybe not. Anyway, currently glasses-free 3D on phones is more or less of a mystery even for more advanced folks. That's why in the craziness called Mobile World Congress we stole a second with the dual-lens 5 megapixel camera on the Optimus 3D to give you a basic idea of how shooting videos and images looks like. Pretty simple, it turns out, just like everything great in life. The 3D switch allows you to select between traditional 2D and the new 3D shot mode. Photos can then be viewed right on the screen, which uses the parallax barrier to give you the depth effect. Check out the camera interface and all the details in a quick video demo below!

Nokia Search for 7 competition gives you location clues to win one Nokia E7 each day this week

2011-02-22T14:30:00.000-08:00

The Finns are ramping up their marketing efforts after the official launch of the Nokia E7 QWERTY slider two weeks ago. You can read all about it in our preview here.

In the Nokia Search for 7 competition, you are given clues online as to how to find the whereabouts of a Nokia E7 handset each day of the week. Whoever tweets first the virtual location at @WOMWorldNokia, will go home with a brand spanking new Nokia E7 phone. Considering the hefty pricetag, that might be the only chance you would actually get it.

Hit the link below for today's clues, there is still time before the third one sets in.

Skype possibly coming to AT&T devices in the future

2011-02-22T14:29:00.000-08:00

Skype has hinted that video calling may be coming to AT&T devices in the future shortly after announcing their joint venture with Qik that is focused on improving the quality of video chat on capable networks.

Skype and Qik’s joint venture is aimed at integrating their technologies to try and improve Qik’s video calling performance on T-Mobile and Sprint while trying to develop a version of Skype capable of running over Verizon’s new LTE network. Leading the discussion at MWC over the weekend was Skype’s head of consumer product management, Rich Osterloh.

When asked about Skype and a future with the AT&T network, Osterloh said “let’s watch out for some announcements there.” So really he didn’t give us too much, but he definitely didn’t say a future partnership with AT&T was out of the question. Hopefully this joint venture will greatly improve video calling for everybody because it is no secret how poor the quality is over mobile networks. Tell us what you think in the comments below.

T-Mobile wants WiFi calling on Windows Phone 7

2011-02-22T14:28:00.001-08:00

While speaking at the Mobile World Congress over the weekend, T-Mobile brought up their hopes of bringing their successful WiFi calling capabilities to other platforms in the future, including Windows Phone 7.

Currently, this Wifi calling capability is available on a bunch of handsets including some Android-powered smartphones. While speaking at the MWC, T-Mobile said that roughly 5 million of their 34 million users are taking advantage of this feature.

Joshua Lonn, T-Mobile’s Director of Product Development, said they would like to bring the WiFi calling service to Windows Phone 7 as well as expanding it to all of their Android devices in the future. T-Mobile has several Android devices, but only one WP7 at this moment in time. More Windows Phone 7 devices are surely on the way, however. Tell us what you think in the comments below.

Android app doubleTwist now features media streaming over Wi-Fi

2011-02-22T14:28:00.000-08:00

Interested in a different way of showing off the photos and videos, that you took yesterday, with your Android-powered smartphone? How about streaming them to your HDTV straight from your device? Now you can by using AirSync, a newly introduced feature to the doubleTwist media player for Android.

The neat application enables streaming of video, audio, and photos from your smartphone to a Wi-Fi enabled computer or a gaming console by basically turning your Android device into a small, user-friendly media server. DoubleTwist's AirSync feature also allows you to wirelessly sync the files from your iTunes library with the media found on your Android smartphone once you install the desktop version to your computer.

We would just like to note, that 1080p video streaming may not be as smooth as you would expect it to be, as it would be pushing the boundaries of your home Wi-Fi connection. AirSync is available on the Android market as a paid upgrade to the free doubleTwist media player.

Motorola XOOM won't support Flash at launch

2011-02-22T14:27:00.000-08:00

We have a bad news for all these folks who were planning to visit a Verizon store on February 24, buy the Honeycomb-powered Motorola XOOM, return home and watch Flash content on their newly purchased powerhouse of a tablet.

And if you can't see the bad news, here it comes - Big Red officially announced (kind of, actually) that the Motorola XOOM won't support Flash at launch. Oops.

You can read the "announcement" if you take a closer look at the poster on the Verizon site teasing the Motorola XOOM tablet - at the bottom left corner it says with a small print "Adobe Flash expected Spring 2011".

This seems to be a reference to the upcoming Adobe Flash Player version 10.2, and it's a pity that the soon-to-be Motorola XOOM owners won't be able to taste Flash support in the coming weeks. As of now, we have no info why Adobe Flash Player 10.1 is not present on the Motorola tab.

For a long time, Androiders around the world were quite happy to sneer at their iOS counterparts, saying that the iDevice owners were unable to enjoy the web in the way it should be enjoyed, but it seems this problem is to haunt the upcoming flagship Android tablet - the Motorola XOOM - at least for some weeks.

Are you going to buy the Motorola tablet on February 24?

Leading GSM operators announce support for a single NFC standard, to be launched in 2012

2011-02-22T14:26:00.001-08:00

There are not many people who express doubt that NFC is part of our high-tech future, and that's only confirmed by the fact that a huge number of leading GSM operators have announced their support for the global interoperability of this service. Furthermore, it's expected that we will see a commercial NFC launch in "select markets by 2012".

Franco Bernabe, Chairman, GSMA and CEO, Telecom Italia comments on NFC:

"NFC is perhaps best known for its role in enabling mobile payments, but its applications go far beyond that. NFC represents an important innovation opportunity, and will facilitate a wide range of interesting services and applications for consumers, such as mobile ticketing, mobile couponing, the exchange of information and content, control access to cars, homes, hotels, offices car parks and much more."

To avoid fragmentation, the operators behind this agreement (among them are América Móvil, Axiata Group Berhad, Bharti, China Unicom, Deutsche Telekom, KT Corporation, MTS, Orange, Qtel Group, SK Telecom, SOFTBANK MOBILE, Telecom Italia, Telefónica, Telekom Austria Group, Telenor and Vodafone) have come to the conclusion that they must accept a single NFC standard, which will allow the end consumer "to benefit from NFC services around the world, regardless of operator network or device type".

Bernabe states:

"By uniting around a single standardised approach to mobile NFC and by collaborating across the entire ecosystem, our industry will continue to develop the compelling services that customers demand."

It's calculated that the total payment value for NFC globally will reach more than $150 billion (more than €110 billion) by 2015, and this only demonstrates how much it's to grow in importance in the coming years.

Do you plan to be an early NFC adopter?

Apple working on new, more energy-dense batteries

2011-02-22T14:26:00.000-08:00

Apple's mobile devices have been generally known for having a pretty good battery life. Nevertheless, the guys at Cupertino are in the works of developing their next latest an greatest invention. Judging by a newly-published patent, which is titled "Increasing Energy Density in Rechargeable Lithium Battery Cells," Apple is attempting to increase the time between charges of their battery cells without the bigger footprint of a bulkier battery.

The new technology involves the implementation of the so-called "multi-step constant-current constant-voltage (CC-CV) charging technique," which will increase the energy density of the new battery cell. More efficient batteries will also allow making them smaller, resulting in a better use of space within the electronic device.

It is still unknown which one of Apple's upcoming devices will introduce the new technology to the market, if any ever will anytime soon. Lets just hope that the new batteries will be immune to self-combustion.

Sprint's HTC 7 Pro is gearing up for an official announcement this Thursday?

2011-02-22T14:25:00.001-08:00

Sprint has been somewhat relatively low key of late with handset announcements, but if you’ve been itching to experience Windows Phone 7, then you may want to keep an eye out on Sprint’s Twitter account come Thursday.

With Windows Phone 7’s first major update scheduled to roll out some time within the first half of this year, which brings forth support for CDMA devices, it looks promising that we may finally see an official announcement regarding the HTC 7 Pro. Over in Europe, it already has started to infiltrate some markets, but we haven’t heard much about its relationship with Sprint for a while now.

Surprisingly, Sprint’s Twitter account posted a message indicating that a new handset is scheduled to be unveiled come this Thursday, February 24th. In all likelihood, it would more than likely point to the official announcement of the HTC 7 Pro – especially when this thing has been talked about since October. We’ll find out!

Desktop-grade eye candy on your mobile thanks to Series 6 PowerVR GPUs

2011-02-22T14:25:00.000-08:00

Next level of graphics and video are getting closer to our pockets. Imagination Technologies' Series 6 PowerVR GPUs have been announced to deliver anything from twenty to a hundred times as much kick as their predecessor – the “humble” Series 5 GPUs.

The first SoC to include the Series 6 PowerVR GPUs is going to be the Nova 9600, announced by ST-Ericsson. It is said to be capable of delivering HD video at the amazing 120 frames per second, as well as powerful enough to capture and reproduce high-quality 3D video renderings.

Powering devices such as the Apple iPhone 4, the Nokia N900, and Sony's upcoming next generation portable entertainment system, the Series 5 GPUs are considered one of the best you can get in a mobile device nowadays. Such leap of performance, claimed by the expected beast of a GPU, would rival even today's premium, desktop-grade graphic cards, while being easy on the battery at the same time.