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Rasband's Big Claim, Prison Garments, 55 New Missions - Mormon News 7.3.26 | Ep. 2168

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 03 Jul 2026 15:00:00 GMT

On today's episode of Mormon News, John Dehlin and Meggan Hayes break down another busy week of headlines involving The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.This week we take a closer look at Elder Ronald A. Rasband's patriotic address, where he claimed God preserved the United States for the Restoration, taught that Noah's Flood fractured the continents to protect the promised land, reaffirmed the Garden of Eden in Missouri, and described America as a stepping stone to eternal life. We'll also discuss the Church's invitation for members worldwide to participate in a unified fast for religious liberty.

Next, we'll discuss a federal lawsuit alleging that Utah prison guards sexually assaulted female inmates, including allegations that one correctional officer's LDS temple garments were found in an inmate's cell and questions about whether prison leaders attempted to cover up the abuse.
We'll also examine the Church's announcement that it is creating 55 new missions, what "new" actually means, why Africa is receiving nearly one-third of them, and the decision to lower the missionary age for women from 19 to 18.
We'll cover the case of a Rexburg man accused of setting his parents' home on fire after allegedly telling police God instructed him to do it, raising questions about revelation, mental illness, and claims of divine communication.
We'll also discuss the dedication of the new Nauvoo Temple Visitors' Center, including the Church's installation of a historic Tiffany stained-glass window that sold at auction for $237,500.
Next, we'll examine the plea agreement involving former LDS Young Men leader Virgil Larson, accused of giving nude massages to minors, and why the amended charges would allow him to avoid registering as a sex offender.
Finally, we'll discuss the viral video: Did the Mormon Church pass the test? We'll explore what that conversation reveals about missionaries and training around child safety in the church.
Join us live as we provide context behind the headlines, separate fact from speculation, and discuss what these stories reveal about Mormonism today.

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Explosive History in the William Clayton Diaries w/ Bryan Buchanan & LDS Discussions Pt 78 | Ep 2167

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 01 Jul 2026 06:00:00 GMT

Welcome to another episode of LDS Discussions! We are joined again by Bryan Buchanan to discuss the William Clayton Diaries.

The William Clayton Diaries are among the most important firsthand records from Joseph Smith’s final years in Nauvoo. Few individuals stood closer to Joseph Smith than William Clayton, who served as clerk, confidant, and participant in many of the most controversial events of Mormon history.

In this episode, we dive directly into the diaries themselves. We examine what Clayton recorded, what historians can learn from his daily entries, and why these journals have become central to discussions about Joseph Smith’s plural marriages, the Council of Fifty, the Quorum of the Anointed, the Kinderhook Plates, Nauvoo politics, and the final months leading up to Joseph Smith’s death.

Along the way, we explore the lives of Joseph and Emma Smith, Margaret Moon, Sarah Whitney, Lucy Walker, Flora Woodworth, Eliza R. Snow, and many of the other figures who appear throughout these remarkable journals.

We also address modern claims that the diaries were altered, fabricated, or created after the fact, and compare those claims to the evidence available to historians who have studied the original manuscript.

Topics include William Clayton’s relationship with Joseph Smith, evidence for Joseph Smith’s polygamy, Emma’s reactions and resistance to the “P” or “priesthood,” the Moon sister’s involvement in polygamy, the strengths and limitations of Clayton as a source and why historians consider these diaries indispensable.

The William Clayton journals offer an unparalleled window into the inner workings of Nauvoo Mormonism. Whether you are a believer, skeptic, historian, or simply curious about early Mormon history, these records provide some of the most revealing evidence available from the period.

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Hidden History of the William Clayton Diaries w/ Bryan Buchanan - LDS Discussions Pt. 77 | Ep. 2166

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 29 Jun 2026 18:48:15 GMT

Welcome to another episode of LDS Discussions! Today we are joined by Bryan Buchanan to discuss the William Clayton Diaries.

For decades, the William Clayton Diaries have occupied a near-mythical place in Mormon history. Hidden away in the First Presidency vault, copied in secret, fought over in court, leaked to researchers, and cited in some of the most controversial debates surrounding Joseph Smith and plural marriage, these journals have one of the most fascinating histories of any historical document in the Latter-day Saint tradition.

In this episode, we trace the remarkable journey of William Clatyon’s Nauvoo journals from the 1840s to the present day. We explore how historians such as James Allen, Dean Jessee, Leonard Arrington, Thomas Alexander, Andrew Ehat, Scott Faulring, and others gained access to these records, why the Church restricted them for so many years, and how copies eventually found their way into the hands of independent researchers and critics.

We also examine the legal battle surrounding the journals, the role of Jerald and Sandra Tanner in publishing portions of them, the impact of the Mark Hofmann era, and the ongoing debates over access, transparency, and historical scholarship within Mormonism.

With Yale University Press preparing the first complete scholarly edition of the William Clayton Diaries, this is the perfect time to revisit one of the most important archival stories in Mormon history.

We discuss the discovery and preservation of Clayton’s journals, the First Presidency vault and restricted documents, specific transcripts that were created for the Clayton diaries, how those transcriptions leaked out into the public and the lawsuit on these leaked transcripts. We also lightly discuss the recent news that additional parts of Clayton’s diaries have been released to the public and the debate around whether Joseph Smith was actually a polygamist.

Whether you’re interested in Mormon history, archival controversies, historiography, or the debate over Joseph Smith’s polygamy, this episode provides the essential backstory behind one of the most important historical sources from Nauvoo.

Be sure to join us for the next episode where we share some of the most controversial and exciting entries from William Clayton’s journals!

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Oaks’ True Church, Abusive Mormon Dentist?, Too Close to the Bishop - Mormon News 6.26.26 | Ep. 2165

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 26 Jun 2026 16:00:00 GMT

On today's episode of Mormon News, John Dehlin and Meggan Hayes break down another busy week of headlines involving The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

This week we take a closer look at the 2026 Seminar for New Mission Leaders, where Church leaders doubled down on claims of exclusive authority, the "only true church," and what they describe as "true doctrine." We'll discuss what was taught and why it matters.

Links:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/14idTXmfqam/

https://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders/2026/06/18/read-summaries-photos-2026-seminar-new-mission-leaders/

https://youtu.be/FIKqJVU63Pk?si=d3bNWHUMYK8Uc2AP

https://youtu.be/bshDxxlcMu0?si=COTdwPlTv6l87PYO

We'll also cover the disturbing allegations against an Orem dentist accused of abusing a high school intern, along with his connections to the LDS community.

Links:

https://www.ksl.com/article/51540804/orem-dentist-accused-of-abusing-high-school-intern

http://www.youtube.com/@r.brucehowell2847

Next a discussion about bishop interviews, trust, and boundaries after the Church's official Young Women Worldwide page encouraged girls ages 12 to 17 to participate in a "How Well Do You Know Your Bishop?" activity designed to help them feel more comfortable with their bishop. We'll examine why some are raising concerns about normalizing close relationships between young girls and adult male ecclesiastical leaders, particularly in light of one-on-one worthiness interviews and the growing number of bishops listed in the Floodlit database.

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https://floodlit.org/lpe/ever-bishop/

We'll also discuss reports that the temple naming system has changed and what could be behind the change.

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We'll examine the case of an Orem man accused of stealing two valuable Minerva Teichert paintings from his elderly mother, replacing them with copies, and selling the originals to help finance a new restaurant.

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https://www.fox13now.com/news/fox-13-investigates/man-accused-of-stealing-paintings-by-famous-utah-artist-replacing-them-with-copies

Finally, we'll discuss BYU-Idaho's new ecclesiastical endorsement policy, which changes what happens when students allow their endorsements to expire, and what that says about accountability and institutional oversight.

Links:

https://byuiscroll.org/changes-to-ecclesiastical-endorsement-process-are-coming-to-byui/

https://web.byui.edu/policylibrary/policy/bf4987db-aa02-4437-be12-54fc93eeb185

Join us live as we provide context behind the headlines, separate fact from speculation, and discuss what these stories reveal about Mormonism today.

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Did LDS Leaders Teach That Sexual Sin Is Next to Murder? - LDS Discussions Pt. 76 | Ep. 2164

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 24 Jun 2026 18:00:00 GMT

For years, members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were taught that violations of the law of chastity were “next to murder” in seriousness. Recently, Jasmin Rappleye defended that teaching (and maybe changed its interpretation) in a viral video, sparking widespread discussion both inside and otuside Mormonism.

In this somehat impromptu epsiode in our LDS Discussiones series, we will examine the historical record and ask an important question: Has this doctrine actually been taught by LDS leaders?

Using General Conference addresses, First Presidency messages, Journal of Discourse sermons, and passages from Spencer W. Kimball’s The Miracle of Forgiveness, we trace more than a century of statements who repeatedly taught that sexual sin was second only to murder in seriousness.

Was this merely cultural rhetoric? A misunderstanding of scripture? Or was it a consistent teaching passed from one generation of church leaders to the next?

Join us as we examine the sources, read the original quotations, explore the history behind one of Mormonism’s most controversial teachings, and even share some of the reactions to Jasmin’s new video!

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LDS Stake President Covers Up Abuse & Becomes Area Authority Seventy - Rebecca Gooden | Ep. 2163

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 22 Jun 2026 15:00:01 GMT

What happens when a trusted Mormon leader learns about child sexual abuse –and choses not to report it?

In this powerful and heartbreaking episode, Rebecca Gooden and her son Matthew share their family’s story of abuse, betrayal, and institutional failure within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Years after discovering that her husband, Shawn Gooden, had sexually abused two of her younger brothers, Rebecca found herself confronting a devastating reality: church leaders had known about the abuse and failed to act. Despite allegations involving child sexual abuse, Shawn continued to receive leadership callings, serving in bishoprics, high councils, and eventually as a bishop and stake presidency counselor.

The story becomes even more troubling when Pennsylvania Stake President Rhett Hintze learned of the abuse in 2020. As a mandatory reporter under Pennsylvania law, Hintze was later charged with failure to report child abuse. Although the charges were ultimately dropped, many questions remain about how church leaders handled the case, why victims received little to no support, and why Hintze was later promoted to an Area Seventy.

Throughout this interview Rebecca and Matthew discuss Shawn Gooden’s abuse and eventual excommunication, the impact of abuse on victims and families, mandatory reporting laws and clergy responsibilities, how the Church handles abuse allegations, the doctrine of discernment, and institutional cover-ups. They also discuss why they ultimately stepped away from the Mormon church and Rebecca shares how she has now moved closer to healing, self-discovering (now calling herself Eloise), and greater empowerment.

This episode explores difficult but important questions about accountability, victim protection, and whether religious institutions truly prioritize the vulnerable when abuse is reported.

If you or someone you know has experienced abuse, we encourage you to contact local authorities, licensed therapists, and survivor support organizations.

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Kyle McKay Apologizes, Is "Mormon" Making a Comeback?, Gong and AI - Mormon News 6.19.26 | Ep. 2162

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 19 Jun 2026 23:00:00 GMT

This week on Mormon Stories News, we take a closer look at the people, controversies, and events making waves across Mormonism.

We begin with the story of a disturbing abuse case involving a former LDS Priest Quorum Specialist accused of sexually abusing his nephew. The case has prompted conversations about trust, access to youth, safeguarding policies, and whether church members are adequately trained to recognize and prevent abuse within families and congregations.

We also examine a rare public apology from General Authority Seventy Kyle McKay. McKay recently acknowledged that previous statements he made regarding Church history were offensive and offered a correction. We discuss what was said and why the apology matters.

Can AI replace God? That's the question Elder Gerrit W. Gong recently addressed in a viral Church-produced video. We break down his comments, the Church's growing concern over artificial intelligence, and whether AI is becoming a competing source of information, guidance, and authority for members navigating faith questions.

Next, we turn to the appointment of Jay Jorgensen to the Utah Supreme Court. Jorgensen's nomination has sparked discussion because of his employment with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and his statements regarding whether he would recuse himself from Church-related cases. We examine the concerns surrounding judicial independence, conflicts of interest, and public confidence in the courts.

We dive into the growing controversy surrounding Jeff Strong's book Torn. Strong's work has generated significant discussion among Latter-day Saints by examining why many members become disaffected or leave the Church. Recent responses from prominent LDS commentators argue that Strong's research methodology is flawed and that he misrepresents faithful members' experiences.

We finish with a brief snippet from Rebecca Bibliotecca about the ongoing temple drama in Fairview Texas.

What are your thoughts on this week's stories? Join the conversation in the comments.

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How LDS Apologists like Jasmin Rappleye Handle the Book of Abraham - LDS Discussions Pt. 75 | Ep. 2161

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 17 Jun 2026 18:00:00 GMT

In a recent episode on the YouTube channel Hello Saints, Jeff McCullough interviewed Jasmin Rappleye (who got her degree from BYU in Ancient Near Eastern Studies) about one of Mormonism’s most controversial scriptures: the Book of Mormon.

During the discussion, several apologetic approaches to the Book of Abraham was presented. In this episode, we examine three of the most common theories used to defend Joseph Smith’s translation:

-The Missing Scroll Theory

-The Long Scroll Theory

-The Catalyst Theory

Drawing heavily from Dan Vogel’s groundbreaking book Book of Abraham Apologetics, we carefully review the historical evidence surrounding these claims, including the eyewitness accounts frequently cited by defenders of the Long Scroll Theory.

Do these accounts actually support the evidence of a lengthy missing papyrus containing the Book of Abraham? Or have they been selectively interpreted to fit a predetermined conclusion?

Along the way, we examine the work of prominent Egyptologists, discuss the relationship between Joseph Smith’s translation claims and the surviving papyri, and explore why even faithful scholars have increasingly moved away from defending the Book of Abraham as a literal translation of the existing Egyptian texts.

Join Kolby, Nemo, and Julia as they work through the evidence, compare competing apologetic arguments, and ask what explanation best fits the historical record.

In our next episode, we’ll examine a fourth and increasingly popular theory: that the Book of Abraham preserves authentic ancient Jewish traditions about Abraham and may contain an ancient core despite not being a direct translation of the surviving papyri.

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From Megachurch to Mormon: Watching the Church Become What I Left - Lance Kennedy | Ep. 2160

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 15 Jun 2026 18:00:00 GMT

What happens when the son of a Pentecostal megachurch pastor decides to become Mormon?

In this episode of Mormon Stories Podcast, we sit down with Lance Kennedy to discuss his unique religious journey from evangelical Christianity to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Raised in Texas as the son of a prominent pastor, Lance grew up behind the scenes of one of the fastest-growing church movements in America, watching firsthand as churches evolved from small congregations into large-scale organizations.

Drawing from that experience, Lance offers a fascinating perspective on Mormonism as both an insider and an outsider. He shares what initially attracted him to the LDS Church, why Mormonism felt like a better fit than the religious tradition he was raised in, and how his background shaped the way he approached questions of belief, culture, and church growth.

Throughout the conversation, we explore the similarities and differences between evangelical Christianity and Mormonism, the challenges facing the modern LDS Church, and the tension between preserving a distinct religious identity and adapting to a changing world. Lance also discusses his experiences as a branch president in rural Texas, his thoughts on church history and transparency, and why he remains an active member despite his willingness to publicly discuss difficult issues.

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Mormons Not Christian Says Pete Hegseth's Department of War? - Mormon News 6.11.26 | Ep. 2159

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 11 Jun 2026 16:00:00 GMT

This week on Mormon Stories News, John Dehlin along with Julia, and Brooklyn of the OSF team, break down some of the biggest stories making headlines in Mormonism.

President Nelson announced the Springfield, Missouri temple on April 2, 2023, yet ground was just broken for it on June 6, 2026. Why the delay? Have other temples been delayed? What is the average amount of time for a temple to be finished between its first announcement to dedication? What are the membership numbers that will fill these temples?

On June 7, 2026 General Authority Seventy Kyle S. McKay spoke at a Stake Conference in Yukon, Oklahoma. Shortly after the video was posted, however, Mormon church leaders quickly removed it. Join us as we go over the most controversial parts of his talk!

June has been dubbed “Fidelity Month” by Governor Cox. Cox did not announce the declaration with a news release, nor did he post it on social media as he has done at the beginning of June in the past years. But does Utah WANT this change? Is Cox trying to replace Pride Month?

On June 4th the Department of Defense made some changes to the recognized list of religions. The list included several “Christian” denominations such as Lutheran, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Methodists, etc. However, The LDS Church was not listed among the “Christian” denominations.

On June 6th Edward Smart, the father of well-known Elizabeth Smart, shared a public Instagram Post about his current status with the LDS Church.

The LDS Church is making changes to the Sacrament Meeting rooms! This story first broke with Rebecca Bibliotheca of Mormonish Podcast who shared that architectural plans for two LDS meeting house remodels reveal that the sacrament altar is now to be placed front and center under the pulpit. The plans will be in place by 2028 and this will be the new structure going forward.

In 2026, BYU Football player Parker Kingston was charged with first-degree felony rape in Utah. The incident was reported by a 20-year-old woman in February 2025. Kingston has pleaded not guilty and the case is proceeding through the Utah court system. News has been released concerning the request for a new judge for the case.

An invested citizen was able to attend a Utah City Council Meeting in which someone shared their concerns about the American Fork Police department in their handling of Reckless Ben (previously covered on Mormon Stories). This insider video gives a closer look at the concerned citizens of American Fork.

The Great Salt Lake is in critical condition with historically low water levels due to long-term drought and heavy water diversion for agriculture and urban use. These changes threaten key ecosystems and create toxic dust storms that impact air quality across the Wasatch Front. Governor Cox said he discussed with President Trump a potential federal funding around $1 billion.

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How a Mormon Therapist Lost His Faith - Brad Reedy | Ep. 2157

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 08 Jun 2026 18:00:00 GMT

Today on Mormon Stories Podcast, we sit down with Dr. Brad Reedy, therapist, author, and founder of “Finding You Intensives”, to discuss his remarkable journey through faith, spirituality, addiction, and personal growth. We are also very glad to be joined by Samantha Shelly (from Zelph on the Shelf) for this uplifting conversation.

Raised outside of religion, Brad spent much of his youth searching for meaning and belonging. After struggling with substance abuse as a teenager and surviving a near-fatal overdose, he encountered Mormonism and found the structure, community, and spiritual direction had been missing from his life.

As his understanding of faith evolved, Brad found himself wrestling with questions about spirituality, identity, parenting, relationships, and what it means to live authentically. Together, we explore the tension between religion and spirituality, the challenges of faith transitions, and why something that once helped a person thrive may no longer fit later in life.

Brad shares his experience as a passionate convert, missionary, BYU student, and later a marriage and family therapist. Along the way, he reflects on the strengths and limitations of high-demand religions, the role that structure can play in healing and growth, and the difference between living from guilt versus living from love.

This conversation is a thoughtful exploration of transformation, self-discovery, and the ongoing search for meaning beyond certainty.

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Mormon Sealings & Nate Oman w/ Bryan Buchanan - LDS Discussions Pt. 74 | Ep. 2156

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 03 Jun 2026 18:00:00 GMT

In this episode, we expand on ideas presented by Nate Oman during a discussion on Faith Matters and trace the complicated, evolving history of Mormon sealings from Joseph Smith through the 20th century.

Today, “eternal families” are often presented as the central purpose of temple sealings in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But historically, the story is much messier.

In this conversation, we explore how early sealings were not originally centered on the modern concept of nuclear families being together forever. Instead, sealing theology developed gradually during the Nauvoo period and often functioned as a way to create dynastic networks, priesthood connections, and systems of authority –what some critics compare to an MLM-style hierarchy of spiritual relationships.

We discuss the evolution of sealing theology from Joseph Smith to Brigham Young, baptisms for the dead and the trauma surrounding Alvin Smith’s death, the rise of dynastic sealings and the “Law of Adoption” where men were sealed to other men. We also discuss the relationship between sealings and plural marriage, how the sealing language changed over time, why Joseph Smith never initially sealed himself to Emma, the story of Jane Manning James and how she was “attached” to Joseph Smith instead of sealed. We also discuss the racial restrictions for Black Mormons, questions of informed consent, authority, and prophetic consistency, and whether the modern LDS concept of “forever families” would have been recognizable to Joseph Smith himself.

We also examine how doctrines once treated as essential and eternal –including the Law of Adoption –were later abandoned entirely, raising larger questions about revelation, institutional change, and the development of Mormon theology.

Whether you’re believing, questioning, post-Mormon, or simply interested in religious history, this episode offers a deep dive into one of the most controversial and misunderstood developments in Mormon history.

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From Anti-Scientologist to “Anti-Mormon” - “TrevAnon” from the Netherlands | Ep. 2155

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 01 Jun 2026 18:00:01 GMT

We have a very special guest on Mormon Stories today, who some of our live audience may know as "TrevAnon" on YouTube. He has helped out for many years as a moderator for Mormon Stories livestreams, and he is here today to tell us why a Never-Mormon from the Netherlands would find interest in Mormonism.

This episode will begin with Trev's story, and how he developed his interest in cults and other high-demand religions--especially Scientology. Additionally, he has prepared a presentation that will compare and contrast Scientology to Mormonism. Join along as we hash out all the similarities and differences point by point.

We are grateful to TrevAnon (Corry) for sharing his story and expertise with our audience, and hope you find it as interesting as we did.

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LDS Church Leaders Falling for Frauds - LDS Discussions Pt. 73 | Ep. 2153

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 27 May 2026 18:00:01 GMT

Welcome to Episode 73 in our LDS Discussions series!

In this episode, we explore the long history of fraud, forgery, and "discernment" within Mormon history –from Joseph Smith’s treasure digging and the Kinderhook Plates to the Salamander Letter, Paul Dunn, Tim Ballard, and Jodi Hildebrandt.

We discuss why people believe extraordinary claims, the role of critical thinking and skepticism, and whether church leaders who claim divine guidance have actually demonstrated the “Gift of Discernment” they preach about. Along the way, we examine the Book of Abraham, the Kinderhook Plates controversy, Mark Hofmann’s forged documents, hidden church history, and modern scandals that continue to raise difficult questions for believers and critics alike.

The episode also looks at how faith can remain resilient even after exposure to false claims, and why many argue that institutional dishonesty –rather than belief itself –is the deeper issue.

Topics include: Joseph Smith’s treasure digging, the Book of Abraham facsimiles, how Elder Oaks defended the Salamander Letter, and the hiding of early Mormon documents. This discussion asks a central question: If church leaders claim special spiritual discernment, why were so many frauds, forgeries, and harmful figures embraced or defended for so long?

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Teen Stays Faithful after CES Letter and Mormon Stories Podcast - Gustavo Hernandez | Ep. 2152

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 25 May 2026 18:00:01 GMT

Content Warning: Discussion of suicide and suicidal ideation.

In this episode of Mormon Stories, Gustavo Hernandez from Mexico City shares his experience growing up Mormon in Mexico, discovering difficult church history as a teenager, and ultimately choosing to remain an active, believing member of the Church while navigating doubt, anxiety, and faith crises.

Gustavo opens up about the shame culture surrounding worthiness, pornography confessions, and perfectionism in Mormonism –including how teachings from leaders like Spencer W. Kimball deeply affected his mental health as a young teen. He discusses experiencing panic attacks, existential dread, and suicidal thoughts while trying to reconcile faith, church history, and his desire to feel accepted by God.

Along the way, Gustavo encountered the CES Letter, Mormon Stories, exMormon Reddit, temple controversies, Joseph Smith’s polygamy, the priesthood ban, Freemasonry, and multiple First Vision accounts. Despite everything, he chose to stay active in the Church, serve a mission in Guatemala, and eventually became an institute teacher in Mexico.

The interview includes topics like what it’s like being Mormon in Mexico, growing up in a predominantly Catholic culture, p*rnography shame and bishop interviews, faith crisis as a fourteen year old boy, the CES Letter and apologetics, mission burnout, mental health and suicidal ideation, remaining active after losing certainly, as well as current beliefs about Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon, polygamy, and LGBTQ issues.

Whether you agree with Gustavo’s conclusions or not, his story offers an honest and nuanced look at faith, doubt, mental health, and what it means to stay.

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40% of Mormons Raised in the U.S. Have Left the Church - Mormon News 5.22.26 | Ep. 2151

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 22 May 2026 18:00:00 GMT

In this episode, John and Meggan examine several major stories shaping the current state of Mormonism, including new research on LDS disaffiliation and decline, increasing institutional strain on local leadership, financial fraud tied to prominent Utah business figures, and the continuing controversy surrounding the Fairview Texas temple.

•Drawing from research and analysis by Jeff Strong and team of researchers, we discuss what current membership and retention trends may reveal about blind spots devout Latter-day Saints have, the primary reasons for disaffiliation, how LDS trends compare with other denominations, gender differences in the decline, institutional trust, and why many members appear to be quietly disengaging from traditional LDS expectations.

•We also examine a recent Salt Lake Tribune report detailing how some Utah County prosecutors notify the church’s law firm when LDS bishops submit letters on behalf of criminal defendants, raising questions about ecclesiastical influence, legal systems, and institutional boundaries.

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•A Church News livestream acknowledging how overwhelmed many LDS bishops have become while supporting young men

•The Noah’s Event Centers fraud convictions involving active Latter-day Saints and ongoing questions surrounding discernment

• The final public plea from the mayor of Fairview, Texas asking the church to reconsider the height of the proposed temple steeple in an effort to preserve community trust.

•The church battling insurers over sex abuse settlement coverage before the 10th Circuit Court

•And Charlie Bird and Ryan Clifford announced via social media this week that they have already begun the process to add a child to their family.

Together, these stories paint a larger picture of a church navigating growth, decline, public scrutiny, generational change, and increasing tension between institutional authority and individual experience.

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Leaving the Seventh-day Adventist Church - Melissa Duge Spiers Pt. 2 | Ep. 2150

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 21 May 2026 18:00:01 GMT

In Part 2 of our series on Seventh-day Adventism, Melissa Spiers shares her personal story of growing up as a fourth-generation Adventist in a deeply religious family shaped by strict lifestyle rules, purity culture, and constant pressure to perform spiritually.

Melissa describes her experience navigating SDA education systems, thought control, and the intense expectations placed on young women within the church. She also discusses her eventual move away from Adventism, and the complicated relationship between religion, identity, and personal freedom.

Another major focus of this episode is Melissa’s discovery of abuse within her own family, the response from Seventh-day Adventist leadership, and the broader systems she believes protect abuse within high-control religious institutions. She shares how these experiences affected her relationships, mental health, and eventual religious deconstruction.

Throughout the conversation, Melissa reflects on healing, rebuilding life outside of religion, and the challenges many people face after leaving high-demand faith communities. We also discuss her new memoir, "Holy Disobedience: Sex, Sin, and Secrets in the Biggest Church No One Knows".

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Seventh-day Adventism vs. Mormonism - Melissa Duge Spiers | Ep. 2149

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 18 May 2026 18:00:00 GMT

For the first time on Mormon Stories Podcast, we’re diving into the world of Seventh-day Adventism. John sits down with Melissa Spiers, a former Seventh-day Adventist, to explore the history, beliefs, culture, and practices of the SDA Church—and to compare them with Mormonism along the way.

In Part 1 of this two-part series, Melissa gives an overview of Seventh-day Adventist origins, theology, lifestyle standards, and church culture, while John and Melissa discuss some of the surprising similarities and key differences between the SDA and LDS traditions.

Then later this week in Part 2, Melissa shares her personal story of growing up in the Seventh-day Adventist Church, her experiences within the faith, and the reasons she ultimately chose to leave.

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The Aftermath of Joseph Smith's Murder - John Turner Pt. 41 | Ep. 2148

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 15 May 2026 18:00:01 GMT

Welcome to our final episode in our Joseph Smith: The Podcast series, where we cover John Turner’s new book “Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.” In this episode, we explore the immediate aftermath of Joseph Smith’s assassination and the profound consequences that followed his family, plural wives, and the early Latter-day Saint movement.

The chapter we are covering today is the Epilogue.

We look at the chaotic hours and days after his death in Nauvoo, including how his body and Hyrum’s were handled, the conditions of their temporary burial, and the secrecy surrounding their remains. The episode also examines Emma Smith’s role in the aftermath --her grief, her control over Joseph’s body, and the difficult position she found herself in as both widow and critic of polygamy.

We also discuss how Joseph’s plural wives responded to his death, the emotional and political complexities of their mourning, and the uneasy reality of their realtionships with Brigham Young and other church leaders. From there, we move into the succession crisis that followed --how leadership shifted, why Brigham Young ultimately prevailed over Sidney Rigdon, and how competing visions of the church began to emerge.

Finally, we step back to consider Joseph Smith’s broader legacy, the scale of opposition he faced, and how his influence continued to shape American religious history long after his death.

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Let us know your thoughts on a Brigham Young series (comprising ten episodes) covering John Turner’s book Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet.

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BYU’s Most Controversial President - Ernest Wilkinson w/ Gary Bergera | Ep. 2147

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 13 May 2026 18:00:00 GMT

In this episode, we dive into the life and legacy of Ernest L. Wilkinson, president of Brigham Young University from 1952 to 1971. Known for rapidly expanding BYU into a major religious university, Wilkinson was also a deeply polarizing figure whose leadership raised serious questions about race, politics, academic freedom, and loyalty within the Church.

Joined by historian and longtime Signature Books publisher Gary Bergera, we explore Wilkinson’s diary collection and what it reveals about his ambitions, fears, and decisions.

From alleged “spy ring”activity among faculty, to clashes with Apostle Boyd K. Packer, to his views on black students, LGBTQ+ students, and the role of capitalism in the gospel, this conversation uncovers a complex portrait of a man who helped shape modern BYU –while leaving behind a legacy still debated today.

Gary Bergera has spent decades shaping Mormon historical scholarship and was a key figure in Signature Books. His work has helped bring forward documents and perspectives that continue to challenge and inform conversations today.

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Another Ex-Mormon Podcaster Ex-Communicated - Landon Brophy | Ep. 2146

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 11 May 2026 18:00:00 GMT

Another Mormon podcaster has been excommunicated for apostasy. In this episode, Landon Brophy of the Mormonish Podcat joins us to share his full Mormon story –from devoted BYU-bound Eagle Scout, missionary, seminary teacher, bishopric member, and military chaplain path… to publicly questioning church truth-claims and ultimately being excommunicated by the LDS Church. And all after seven years of being in-active.

Landon walks through his faith crisis step-by-step: discovering problems with the Book of Abraham, DNA and archeology issues surrounding the Book of Mormon, biblical scholarship, FARMS apologetics, and the moment he realized the evidence no longer supported what he had been taught. He also discusses the rise of Mormon-themed podcasts, the church’s increasing response to public criticism, and why excommunication no longer holds the same power it once did.

We also discuss the apostasy charges against him, the letter from church leadership, Mormon stories and the exMormon community, and Tim Ballard and the origins of the Mormonish Podcast. We also discuss why Landon still considers himself Mormon as part of his culture, how his family reacted to his faith transition and what peace after Mormonism looks like. We also look at how the church has treated critics in the past to how the church has treated those with abuse allegations.

This is a powerful conversation about belief, identity, authority, and what happens when someone chooses honesty over fear.

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Language Density in Joseph Smith's Reformed Egyptian - LDS Discussions Pt. 72 | Ep. 2145

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 08 May 2026 18:00:00 GMT

Welcome to Episode 72 in our LDS Discussions series! This episode is a treat because for the first time in the history of LDS Discussions, every panelist is actually IN studio!

Today we are doing a deep dive into one of the most foundational (and controversial) questions surrounding the Book of Mormon: What does the text actually claim about itself –and do those claims hold up?

We explore the Book of Mormon’s own statements about its origins, including the assertion that it was written in “Reformed Egyptian,” the idea that Egyptian is more information-dense than Hebrew, and the claim that “none other people knoweth our language.” From there, the discussion expands into linguistics, ancient writing systems, and the internal logic of the text itself.

Along the way, we examine: What Egyptian and Hebrew writing actually look like from a linguistic standpoint, the practicality of engraving dense records onto metal plates, the role of editors like Mormon and Moroni (who abridged the records) and whether their explanation makes sense, and the implications of “unfallisifiable” claims in religious texts.

We also take a close look at historical developments like the decipherment of Egyptian (think the Rosette Stone and Champollion), Joseph Smith’s own attempts at creating or translating languages (including the Kirtland Egyptian Papers), and the broader 19th-century context that may have influenced these ideas.

By comparing the Book of Mormon’s claims to what we know about ancient languages and writing systems today, this episode raises important questions about authorship, translation, and historical plausibility.

If you enjoy thoughtful, in-depth discussions on LDS history and truth claims, don’t forget to like, subscribe, and share your thoughts in the comments below!

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When Your Sister Leaves the Mormon Church - Meggan & Julie O'Neal | Ep. 2144

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 04 May 2026 18:00:00 GMT

In today's episode, sisters Meggan and Julie share what it was like growing up in a family of 14 children in a very strict Mormon household. They describe a home built around structure, obedience, and high expectations: early morning scripture study, strict rules, limited privacy, and constant pressure to represent the “ideal” Mormon family.

They each re-tell their own experiences growing up in this environment, and discuss why they found their relationship fractured for many years—then reveal how they re-kindled their relationship. They also each discuss their individual faith journeys and where they stand with their beliefs today.

Topics/themes include:

-Family dynamics

-Authority and control in the home

-Modesty and purity culture

-Perfectionism, shame and worthiness

-Faith transitions

Meggan is also the host of her own post-Mormon channel, Generally Unquotable, which can be found here.

This episode is a beautiful example of bridge building and unconditional love, and we are very grateful to Meggan and Julie for sharing their story with us.

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Joseph Smith's Final Days - John Turner Pt. 40 | Ep. 2143

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 01 May 2026 18:00:01 GMT

Welcome to Part 40 of our Joseph Smith Podcast series with Dr. John Turner!

Today we are covering the final chapter of Dr. John Turner’s new book, Joseph Smith; The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet. The chapter is titled “Bleeding Hearts.”

In this episode we unpack the turbulent final months of Joseph Smith’s life in 1844. We explore escalating legal pressures, political tensions in Nauvoo, and the controversial events surrounding the Nauvoo Expositor, press freedom, and Smith’s increasingly complex role as prophet, mayor, and military leader.

We also examine the accusations of polygamy and misconduct circulating at the time, the internal fractures within the Latter-day Saint movement, and how Joseph Smith responded through sermons, leadership decision, and public defense.

As tensions rise, we follow the path from legal entanglements and political conflict in Illinois to Smith’s final days, his decision to flee, and the events leading to his death at Carthage Jail. The episode closes with reflections on the aftermath of his killing and its lasting impact on the movement he founded.

This is a deep historical discussion drawing on Dr. Turner’s scholarship and primary source material to better understand one of the most consequential and contested moments in early American religious history.

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Maya Expert vs. Book of Mormon - Dr. Michael Coe (Re-Broadcast Pt. 2) | Ep. 2142

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 29 Apr 2026 18:00:00 GMT

Welcome back to part 2 of Dr. Michael Coe week here on Mormon Stories Podcast, where we are re-releasing some on the most important episodes in the history of this channel.

The original description for this episode reads:

"We are excited to revisit Dr. Michael Coe at his home in New Haven, Connecticut, to discuss some of the challenges facing Mormon archaeologists attempting to prove the historical truth of their central scripture.

Dr. Michael Coe is the Charles J. MacCurdy Professor Emeritus of Anthropology at Yale University and Curator Emeritus of the Division of Anthropology at the Peabody Museum of Natural History. He is an expert on the Maya, who inhabited the same part of Mexico and Central America where Mormon scholars say the events of the Book of Mormon took place."

This episode was released in April of 2018.

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Yale Archeologist on Book of Mormon Evidence - Dr. Michael Coe (re-broadcast) | Ep. 2141

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 27 Apr 2026 20:25:52 GMT

Join us today for another re-mastered classic Mormon Stories episode!

This interview with Dr. Michael Coe is one of the most important Mormon Stories episodes to date. In order to introduce this significant conversation to our newer audiences, we have compiled it into a single episode and re-broadcasting it.

The original description for this episode reads,

"Dr. Michael Coe is the Charles J. MacCurdy professor emeritus of Anthropology at Yale University and curator emeritus of the Division of Anthropology at the school’s Peabody Museum of Natural History. He is an expert on the Maya, who inhabited the same part of Mexico and Central American where Mormon scholars say the events of the Book of Mormon took place. In this interview, Coe discusses the challenges facing Mormon archaeologists attempting to prove the historical truth of their central scripture and his own views on Joseph Smith."

This episode originally aired in August 2011, and was titled "Dr. Michael Coe – An Outsider’s View of Book of Mormon Archaeology" (episodes 268-270). A follow-up conversation was filmed and released in April 2018, which will be re-broadcasted this week as well.

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Joseph Smith Ordained King of the World - John Turner Pt. 39 | Ep. 2140

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 24 Apr 2026 18:00:00 GMT

Welcome to Part 39 of our Joseph Smith Podcast series with Dr. John Turner!

In Chapter 30 titled “The Kingdom (which covers the year 1844), we explore what may be the true beginning of the end for Joseph Smith –politically, socially, and religiously.

This episode dives into Joseph Smith’s unexpected run for President of the United States, including the development of his platform, his views on slavery, and how he attempted to position himself within the broader national debate. We examine the role of figures like William Phelps in shaping the platform, as well as the tensions between abolitionism, racial attitudes, and expansionist ideas in the 1840s.

We then turn to one of the most controversial developments of this period: the Council of Fifty –a secretive body tied to the concept of the “Kingdom of God” on earth. What did it mean for Joseph Smith to be anointed as a king? How did this council blur the line between church and state?

At the same time, opposition is rising. Polygamy is becoming public, creating internal fractures and external outrage. We discuss the growing resistance within Nauvoo, including Emma Smith’s return to the Relief Society and her public pushback against plural marriage.

Finally, we examine the King Follett Discourse, one of Joseph SMith’s most theologically expansive sermons –introducing ideas about the nature of God and humanity that would shape Latter-day theology moving forward.

All of this unfolds amid increasing tension, dissent, and conflict that will soon erupt in dramatic ways.

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LDS Church Sues Mormon Stories Podcast and John Dehlin | Ep. 2139

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 22 Apr 2026 19:01:04 GMT

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is suing Mormon Stories Podcast and Dr. John Dehlin claiming trademark and copyright infringement. We feel very confident in our standing in this case. We also feel as though the church is mischaracterizing what happened in mediation in a way that is misleading, untrue, and damaging.

Please join us today to learn our perspective on what the LDS church demanded in mediation, what John Dehlin and Mormon Stories did to accommodate reasonable requests, and how you can help support Mormon Stories Podcast.

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How An Ex-Christian Experiences Mormonism - Jared Smith as @HeliocentricOfficial | Ep. 2138

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 22 Apr 2026 18:00:00 GMT

In this episode, we sit down with Jared Smith –an ex-Christian, former Wheaton College student, and atheist YouTuber –to explore what happens when someone deeply rooted in evangelical Christianity takes a serious look at Mormonism.

Jared shares his journey from devoted believer to skeptic, including his time at Wheaton College (often called the “Harvard of Christian institutions”), where he studied everything from apologetics to exorcism –and even Christian heavy metal.

We dive into his firsthand experiences auditing religions, attending Mormon services, reading the Book of Mormon, and engaging with LDS culture from an outsider’s perspective.

Along the way, we explore what it’s like to WANT your religion to be true –and still lose it, the role of Jesus in Mormonism vs. traditional Christianity, those who take religion most seriously are the ones who seem to be leaving, the emotional and intellectual toll of deconstruction, what he thought when he read the Book of Mormon, and the intersection of belief, identity, and online content creation.

We also discuss broader topics like Jehovah's Witnesses and blood doctrine, charismatic Christianity (including exorcism and speaking in tongues), and the culture of apologetics across faith traditions.

Jared offers a thoughtful, non-combative perspective as someone more interested in understanding belief than attacking it –making this conversation a nuanced look at faith, doubt and everything in between.

Check out Jared’s YouTube channel “Heliocentric”: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS5YtyTzVJo_N-vjub8te3g

Videos to watch in preparation for our next episode with Jared Smith:

“This Mormon church sucked” - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_iAA_Zp-GQ
His episode with Nemo the Mormon - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQSo0aQQkbg
Jacob Hansen’s response to Jared - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOFghorZj9s

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Traitor in the First Presidency - John Turner Pt. 38 | Ep. 2137

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 17 Apr 2026 18:20:00 GMT

In Part 38 with historian John Turner we dive into his latest book Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet. In this episode, we focus on Chapter 29, “Cool as a Cucumber,” unpacking the turbulent years of 1843-1844 –arguably the beginning of the end for Joseph Smith.

We explore mounting legal pressure, political entanglements, and growing internal dissent with Nauvoo. Along the way, we examine controversial and often difficult topics, including Joseph Smith’s relationship with William Law and his wife, accusations of coercion tied to plural marriage, and an alleged physical altercation involving Watler Bagby.

This episode traces how tensions –both inside and outside the church –escalaated rapidly, setting the stage for the final chapter of Joseph Smith’s life.

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Graduated BYU and Resigned Immediately - Ryan Huey | Ep. 2136

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 13 Apr 2026 18:00:00 GMT

What would compel a BYU student to resign from the Church immediately after graduation? Join us today as we explore this question and more with our guest, Ryan Huey.

Ryan was raised in Missouri as one of six children in a very devout Mormon family. He served an LDS mission in Texas, worked as an EFY counselor, and later attended BYU–Provo. But at multiple points throughout his Mormon upbringing, the foundations of his faith began to show cracks.

Topics include:

-Shame cycles

-Mission experiences

-Finding identity beyond Mormonism

-BYU student culture

and more

We hope you enjoy this thoughtful conversation about faith, identity, and how to redefine your life beyond Mormonism.

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Joseph Smith Introduces the Second Anointing - John Turner Pt. 37 | Ep. 2135

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 10 Apr 2026 18:00:00 GMT

Welcome to Part 37 in our series with Dr. John Turner covering his new book “Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.”

In this episode, we explore one of the most controversial and least understood rituals in early Mormonism: The Second Anointing.

While Emma Smith was away, tensions continued to rise –but when she returned, the conflict between her and Joseph Smith regarding polygamy reached a breaking point. Already furious over plural marriage, Emma confronted Joseph in a series of explosive moments –demanding accountability, destroying symbolic gifts, and treating his reputation, his movement, and even his future.

We follow the fallout from Emma’s return from St. Louis, including disputes involving figures like William Clayton and Eliza R. Snow, as well as the story of Flora Ann Woodworth –whose relationship with Joseph raises difficult questions about power, coercion, and consent.

As Emma pushes back, Joseph faces a real fear: that she could leave him and expose everything.

But then something changes.

At the center of this episode is the introduction of the Second Anointing –a secret, elite ordinance promising exaltation, godhood, and eternal salvation not just for the individual, but for their family line. We break down the ritual itself, the promise that “nothing but the shedding of innocent blood” can prevent godhood, the ability to seal others to eternal life, parallels to religious indulgences, and the spiritual framing of the ordinances for those who received it.

We also examine how this moment may have shifted Emma’s resistance –and why, despite everything, she ultimately remained with Joseph until the very end.

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The Biggest Book of Mormon Anachronism - Dr. John Lundwall | Ep. 2134

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 06 Apr 2026 18:00:01 GMT

Today we are joined by Dr. John Lundwall (PhD, comparative myth and religion), to share what he believes is the BIGGEST anachronism in the book of Mormon – the text itself.

Using his expertise in ancient religions and how they are practiced, Dr. Lundwall offers an analysis of the religious cultures that exist in the Book of Mormon and how they are inconsistent with any other ancient religious practices. He examines early religious expression through rock art, solar deities, and ritual spaces, highlighting how ancient belief systems were primarily oral, symbolic, and embodied—expressed through ritual, chant, and performance rather than writing. He then contrasts this with the Book of Mormon’s highly text-centered nature, beginning with its very first page.

We will also discuss the religious cultures that exist in the Book of Mormon and how they are inconsistent with what we know about ancient societies. Dr. Lundwall explores how writing developed historically, and how religious knowledge was typically preserved and transmitted through oral tradition rather than written records. He will also discuss the “Golden Plates” at length, and share his insight on why their creation would have been highly unlikely for cultures of this time period.

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Emma Goes to War with Joseph Smith over Polygamy - John Turner Pt. 36 | Ep. 2133

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 03 Apr 2026 18:00:00 GMT

Welcome to Part 36 of our Joseph Smith Podcast series with Dr. John Turner covering his new book “Joseph Smith: Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.”

Today we are covering Chapter 28: "Anointed" that covers 1843.

In this episode, we explore one of the most explosive and painful chapters in early Mormon history –Emma Smith’s direct opposition to Joseph Smith over the practice of polygamy. As tensions rise within Nauvoo, Emma confronts the growing reality of plural marriage, leading to deep personal conflict, secrecy, and division.

We examine Joseph Smith’s controversial marriages, including his sealing to Helen Mar Kimball, and the broader system that introduced young women into polygamy –often through pressure, family influence, and religious framing. Through firsthand accounts, journals, and later testimonies, we unpack the human cost of these relationships and the theological justification behind them.

This episode also dives into Doctrine and Covenants 132 –the pivotal revelation on plural marriage –exploring its origins, its impact on Emma, and the broader implications for Mormon theology and authority. We discuss questions surrounding consent, power, sexuality, and the role of women, alongside the cultural and religious environment that allowed polygamy to take root.

As the conflict escalates, Emma begins pushing back –publicly and privately –while Joseph attempts to solidify the practice doctrinally. The episode culminates in one of the most controversial and secretive ordinances in Mormonism: the Second Anointing.

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"Groomed" for Mormon Motherhood Perfection - Chelsey Rencher Liaga | Ep. 2132

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 01 Apr 2026 18:00:00 GMT

Joining John & Mergi Dehlin today is Chelsey Rencher Liaga, here to share her Mormon story of how she was “groomed” for Mormon motherhood, and how this hindered the development of her own mental health and self identity.

Chelsey was born in Gilbert, Arizona (a heavily Mormon community) and had a typical Mormon upbringing. She suffered from perfectionism as a child, which later led to body dysmorphia issues and an eating disorder that affected her time on her mission in Spokane, Washington.

After her mission she met her husband at BYU, and they quickly started building their perfect Mormon family. Chelsey describes the stress she felt early on in their marriage to cook, clean, and uphold the household, and how she eventually overcame this stressor.

She also details her career as a therapist, her experiences as a working mother, and working at LDS family services.

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-Perfectionism

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-Mixed faith marriage

-Mixed race marriage

-Mental Health

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TRIGGER WARNING: This episode discusses eating disorders. Please listen responsibly.

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BYU Biology Professor William Bradshaw (Re-broadcast In Memoriam) | Ep. 2131

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 30 Mar 2026 18:00:00 GMT

Following the passing of my dear friend and former BYU professor, Dr. William Bradshaw, we are honoring his life today by re-broadcasting my interview with him from 2010.

The original description for this episode is as follows:

"In this episode, John Dehlin interviews one of his former professors and mentors, Dr. William Bradshaw, on a wide variety of topics. Dr. Bradshaw has just recently retired from a rich and fulfilling career as a molecular biology professor at BYU in which he influenced thousands of students to continually be open to the best thinking of the sciences while still nurturing a robust, mature faith and spiritual life. Many report Dr. Bradshaw’s classes and their various interactions with him as pivotal to their finding a way to value the wisdom generated in both their heads and their hearts.

In this far-ranging discussion, Dr. Bradshaw takes us through the arc of his life, including his mission, experiences at Harvard, the circumstances of his career choice, and the surprise call he and his wife Marge received to serve as very young mission presidents in Hong Kong, during which service they had to wrestle with opening and closing missionary work in Vietnam. Dr. Bradshaw relates stories from his career at BYU, talks about science and religion issues, and reveals the way he faces challenges to his faith from Mormon history and scriptural studies.

Many Mormon Stories podcast listeners will already be familiar with one aspect of Dr. Bradshaw’s life from Episode 191, which featured a recording of the most recent lecture he gave at BYU on the biological origins of homosexuality–a lecture he has arranged and given every year for the past several years. Dr. Bradshaw first became prompted to study the research on this subject when his son Brett came out about his homosexuality. Since that time, the Bradshaws have been active members in various LDS groups for families working to support their LGBT children."

Dr. Bradshaw's funeral will be held at the Orem Stake Chapel (365 South 900 East, Orem, UT 84097) on April 3rd at 11:00 AM.

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How Mormon Moms Came to Dominate American Media, Culture and Commerce - Bridget Read of New York Mag | Ep. 2130

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 27 Mar 2026 19:00:00 GMT

Join us to speak with Bridget Read about her new article in New York Magazine entitled "Under the Mormon Influence: How the Women of Utah Blogged and Posted Their Way Into American Hearts and Wallets."

Bridget Read has been a writer at New York Magazine since 2019 and is the author of "Little Bosses Everywhere: How the Pyramid Scheme Shaped America."

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Sham Marriages in Joseph Smith’s Nauvoo - John Turner Pt. 35 | Ep. 2129

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 26 Mar 2026 06:00:00 GMT

Welcome back to Part 35 of our series with Dr. John Turner discussing his new book “Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.”

In 1843, Joseph Smith began introducing some of his closest family members – including his wife Emma Smith and his brother Hyrum Smith –to the controversial and secretive practice of plural marriage.

This episode dives into one of the most complex and debated periods of early Latter-day Saint history. We explore the story of the Kinderhook Plates –a set of six brass plates that briefly captured Joseph Smith’s attention before being exposed as a fraud –and what that moment reveals about claims of translation and discernment.

We also examine the marriages to the Partridge sisters, the dynamics between Joseph and Emma, and the growing theological framework surrounding celestial marriage, “calling and election made sure,” and eternal hierarchy. As new doctrines emerged, secrecy, trust, and power became deeply intertwined.

This episode raises difficult questions such as: What happened to the Kinderhook Plates –and why didn’t the translation continue? How did plural marriage unfold behind the scenes? What did Joseph teach privately vs publicly? How did those closest to him respond about polygamy?

This is a careful, long-form discussion intended to slow down and examine the historical record in detail.

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Perfectionistic Mormon Missionary Sent Home Early From Brazil - Debora Meireles Ling | Ep. 2128

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 23 Mar 2026 18:00:00 GMT

Today, Debora Meireles Ling joins John and Margi to share her journey growing up in a deeply orthodox LDS family in Brazil, where Mormonism shaped nearly every part of her life. As a teenager, Debora felt intense pressure to live the gospel perfectly and struggled with perfectionism as she tried to meet the expectations placed on faithful members.

Debora was called to serve a mission in the São Paulo South Mission, but the experience quickly became overwhelming. After experiencing severe anxiety and panic attacks, she was sent home early—a devastating event she initially interpreted as a punishment from God. She reflects on the emotional toll of mission culture and the challenges missionaries can face when mental health struggles arise.

After returning home, Debora worked to rebuild her life while remaining deeply committed to her faith. She eventually married a fellow returned missionary, and together they tried to build the kind of life they had always been taught to pursue within the Church. Over time, however, new questions and experiences began to challenge some of the assumptions she had carried for most of her life.

This conversation explores perfectionism, missionary culture, mental health, and more.

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Joseph Smith Pursues Teenage Girls in Nauvoo - John Turner pt 34 | Ep. 2127

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 20 Mar 2026 18:00:01 GMT

Welcome back to Part 34 of our series with Dr. John G. Turner! Today we are covering most of Chapter 27 in John Turner’s new book Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet. The chapter is called “Deep Water” and covers the year 1843.

The main topic for today is polygamy.

Join us as we discuss several of Joseph Smith’s wives such as Flora Woodworth, Eliza R. Snow, Sarah Ann Whitney, Lucy Walker, etc. John Dehlin challenges Dr. John Turner on specific aspects such as whether Emma Smith really did push Eliza R. Snow down the stairs and whether or not Porter Rockwell did actually attempt to assassinate Lilburn Boggs. We also discuss the validity of the William Clayton journals and postulate on why the church has yet to publish them.

Throughout 1843, Joseph Smith promised men and women salvation based on their willingness to enter into polygamy. He spent church funds on gifts for his wives, as well as buying some of them plots of land, and even travel expenses for some of the women (from England to Nauvoo). Joseph Smith used language that could be seen as coercive, for example, telling Lucy Walker that polygamy was a command of God and that he would give her “until tomorrow to decide this matter [of polygamy] and that “If you reject this message the gate will be closed forever against you.”

In this episode we tackle hard questions such as: Can people who do bad things also be good? Does good behavior negate seemingly abusive actions? Are people all bad and all good? Can Joseph Smith’s actions be seen as human trafficking?

This chapter in Mormonism is deeply problematic and disturbing, but Dr. John Turner handles it amazingly.

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What Happened to Joseph Smith’s Stone Box? - LDS Discussions Pt. 71 | Ep. 2126

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 19 Mar 2026 18:00:00 GMT

In his official 1838 history, Joseph Smith described discovering the golden plates inside a carefully constructed stone box in the Hill Cumorah. According to his account, the box contained the plates, the Urim and Thummim, and a breastplate.

But what happened to that stone box?

In this episode of LDS Discussions, we take a deep dive into the historical record surrounding the stone box narrative. We compare Joseph Smith’s 1838 history with earlier and later accounts, statements from witnesses like David Whitmer, Martin Harris, and Oliver Cowdery, and later retellings from leaders such as Brigham Young.

We explore:

-What Joseph Smith said was inside the box

-Whether early Saints believed there was MORE than one box

-Claims about swords, the Liahona, and other Nephite artifacts

-The evolution of the story over time

-Whether codex-style plates create anachronistic problems

-The “magic worldview” shared by early Mormon leaders

-Comparisons to treasure-digging culture

-Why there is no physical evidence of the stone box today

We also examine 19th century newspaper references discussing the stone box, Whitmer’s later (contradictory) interviews, and the strange disappearance of a stone structure that supposedly survived for over a thousand years.

If the box was real and physically constructed with stone slabs and pillars –as described –why did it leave no trace? Why didn’t believers preserve fragments the way people took pieces of the Berlin Wall? And why does the Hill Cumorah today appear completely undisturbed?

This episode wrestles with a central question: Does the detail of a stone box strengthen Joseph Smith’s credibility –or create new historical and epistemological problems?

This is Episode 71 in our LDS Discussions series!

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Seventh Day Adventism vs. Mormonism - Melissa Duge Spiers | Ep. 2149

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 18 Mar 2026 19:00:00 GMT

Then later this week in Part 2, Melissa shares her personal story of growing up in the Seventh-day Adventist Church, her experiences within the faith, and the reasons she ultimately chose to leave.

If this topic interests you, be sure to check out Melissa’s book, "Holy Disobedience: Sex, Sin, and Secrets in the Biggest Church No One Knows."

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Chase McWhorter's Mormon Story - Secret Lives of Mormon Wives | Ep. 2125

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 17 Mar 2026 20:13:53 GMT

In this deep-dive conversation, we sit down with Chase (from Hulu’s Secret Lives of Mormon Wives) to unpack his journey from a traditional Mormon upbringing in Rexburg, Idaho, to becoming entangled in one of the most talked-about TikTok scandals –and everything in between.
We explore the cultural and personal pressures of growing up in the LDS Church, serving a mission, navigating marriage, and ultimately experiencing a faith crisis that reshaped his identity. Chase opens up about the emotional weight of religious expectations, the role of shame, and why he began questioning everything he once believed.
We also dive into his connection to Secret Lives of Mormon Wives (SLOMW), the rise of “MomTok,” and how relationships blurred into controversy during the viral swinging scandal. Through it all, Chase reflects on accountability, self-expression, and the cost of living out of alignment with your true self.
This is a raw and honest look at faith, identity, marriage, and the evolving culture of modern Mormonism.

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The Mormon Polygamy Wars (1800's Edition) w/ Michelle Stone and Cheryl Bruno | Ep. 2124

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 17 Mar 2026 19:00:26 GMT

In this in-depth discussion, Cheryl and Michelle explore one of the most controversial topics in Latter-day Saint history: polygamy. Through a structured, multi-stage presentation, they examine the origins, evidence, and ongoing debates surrounding plural marriage in early Mormonism.
From figures like John C. Bennett and the Nauvoo Expositor to Emma Smith’s testimony and the role of primary sources, both presenters offer contrasting perspectives on what really happened –and why it continues to matter today. They also unpack how the Church has responded over time, from the 1852 public acknowledgment of polygamy to modern apologetics and the impact of the information age.
This conversation highlights the tension between belief and historical evidence, raising difficult questions about leadership, narrative gaps, and the evolution of Mormon identity.

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Celebrating Carol Lynn Pearson | Ep. 2123

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 13 Mar 2026 18:00:00 GMT

Join us as we conclude Carol Lynn Pearson week on Mormon Stories Podcast!

Today we have planned a celebration & Q&A with beloved author, poet, feminist, and activist Carol Lynn Pearson. We will have several guests on to share their dedications to Carol Lynn. And Barbara Brown from Signature Books will join us as we also discuss the new release of: The Diaries of Carol Lynn Pearson--Mormon Author, Feminist, and Activist: Volume 1 (1956-1990).

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The Ghost of Eternal Polygamy - Carol Lynn Pearson | Ep. 2122 (Re-Broadcast)

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 11 Mar 2026 18:00:01 GMT

Welcome back to Carol Lynn Pearson week on Mormon Stories podcast, as we re-visit two very important interviews with a one-of-a-kind Mormon woman.

Today's episode was originally recorded in 2018, when we teamed up with Sunstone to do a live recording where we discussed Pearson's book, The Ghost of Eternal Polygamy. Special thanks to the Salt Lake City Community of Christ for hosting such a wonderful evening and for the many listeners who came to enjoy the experience.

In our next episode, we will close out the week by welcoming Carol Lynn Pearson back on the podcast to celebrate the release of her new book, The Diaries of Carol Lynn Pearson. We will also be joined on that interview by the director of Signature Books, Barbara Jones Brown.

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Carol Lynn Pearson – Mormon Author, Poet, Playwright, & Feminist | Ep. 2121 (Re-Broadcast)

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 09 Mar 2026 18:00:00 GMT

Today, we are thrilled to kick off Carol Lynn Pearson week on Mormon Stories Podcast! Join us for the re-broadcast of two very important interviews with a one-of-a-kind Mormon woman. Then, we will close out the week by welcoming Carol Lynn Pearson back on the podcast to celebrate the release of her new book, The Diaries of Carol Lynn Pearson, where we will also be joined by the director of Signature Books, Barbara Jones Brown.

Carol Lynn Pearson is the author of a 1986 memoir, Goodbye, I Love You, about the death of her gay husband from AIDS.

Her musical, My Turn on Earth, is among the most successful Mormon musicals of all time.

Carol Lynn is an advocate for women and LGBTQ+ Mormons. Her 2007 book, “No More Goodbyes,” tells the stories of gay Mormons (and those of other faiths), coping with family, religion, and, occasionally, suicide.

Today's interview was filmed in 2010, and was originally broken into four parts and released as episodes 173-177. We have compiled them into a singular episode in order to re-introduce it to our listeners.

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CONTENT WARNING: This series contains discussion of suicide and suicidal ideation. Please listen responsibly.

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Mormons Meet Bible Scholar - Bart Ehrman | Ep. 2120

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 04 Mar 2026 19:00:00 GMT

Today, we are very excited to have back on the podcast Bible scholar and best selling author, Bart Ehrman! Bart has very recently retired as a professor from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and he is here with us today to “meet the Mormons” and answer questions on the Old Testament, New Testament, and even offers his professional opinions on Book of Mormon History. Bart and the panel will also discuss his brand new book, Love Thy Stranger, and some of his other works that we believe our audience would love.

We are truly privileged to have Bart with us today to share his thoughts on the history of Jesus and the Bible, and hope you find this conversation as engaging as we did.

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Another Mormon Bishop Told NOT to Report Abuser - Christopher Jenkins | Ep. 2119

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 02 Mar 2026 19:00:01 GMT

In this episode of Mormon Stories Podcast, we speak with Christopher Jenkins, a former LDS bishop, about his personal experience with the Church’s abuse hotline. While serving as bishop in Washington, a ward member confessed abuse to him. When Christopher called the Church’s hotline for guidance, he says he was told he was not a mandatory reporter and felt pressured not to report the abuse to authorities.

Christopher walks us through both calls he made to the hotline, the legal framing of the guidance he received, and the lack of follow-up afterward. He also discusses broader issues surrounding clergy confidentiality, how reporting requirements vary by jurisdiction, and what he perceived as the Church’s focus on institutional liability rather than victim care.

We also explore how he now views mandatory reporting laws, the Church’s opposition to certain reporting requirements in Washington, and larger questions about abuse prevention, bishop training, and accountability. Christopher shares how this experience, along with navigating life as the father of LGBTQ+ children, contributed to significant shifts in his faith.

This conversation centers on leadership responsibility, ethical decision-making, and what happens when institutional guidance conflicts with personal conscience.

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How Joseph Smith Smeared Honest Critics - John Turner Pt. 33 | Ep. 2118

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 27 Feb 2026 19:00:00 GMT

Welcome to Part 33 of our series with historian John G. Turner, based on his landmark biography Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.

In this episode, we dive into Chapter 26 (titled “David”) and explore one of the most controversial patterns in Joseph Smith’s leadership: how he responded when trusted insiders became vocal critics.

As pressure mounted from Missouri over the attempted assassination of Lilburn Boggs, Joseph faced internal dissent from figures like John C. Bennett and Orson Pratt. We examine the fallout surrounding Sarah Pratt, the publication of the so-called “Happiness Letter,” and the devastating public denunciation that followed.

Was Joseph defending himself from slander? Or was he fighting dirty in the press?

Today we discuss the allegations surrounding Nancy Rigdon and Sarah Pratt, Joseph’s public rebukes and “Judas” comparisons, the (embarrassing) re-baptism of the Pratts, the role of Brigham Young in publicly acknowledging plural marriage, the publication of John C. Bennett, Joseph’s legal maneuvers to avoid extradition, his complicated and evolving stance on slavery, and the larger pattern of character assassination within early Mormonism.

We also explore Joseph’s interaction with Illinois Governor Thomas Ford, the power of the Nauvoo Charter, and the increasingly emboldened posture of the church leadership as dissent intensified.

This is a complex and uncomfortable chapter –one that forces us to wrestle with competing testimonies, public smears, loyalty under pressure, and the high cost of dissent.

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Mormon Church Hides Abuse of Wade Christofferson, Enabling More Abuse - Edward Nachel | Ep. 2117

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 25 Feb 2026 19:00:00 GMT

In today's episode, Edward Nachel shares his firsthand account of serving on the High Council that excommunicated Wade Christofferson –and the guilt, questions, and reckoning that followed. Edward served in the same ward as Wade and knew him for over twenty-years.

We begin with the recent arrest of Wade Christofferson and the allegations that have surfaced, including sexually coded letters and reported searches found on his phone. These are allegations until proven guilty in a court of law. But Edward’s story focuses on something broader: how church disciplinary systems operate, how secrecy functions, and what happens when there are no advocates for victims inside the room.

Edward describes being selected for the Disciplinary Council, drawing lots to see who represented the abuser and who represented the church, being sworn to secrecy, the absence of witnesses and the victims, how the final decision was made by the Stake Presidency, and how ward members were never warned.

At the time, Edward believed he was “on the church’s side.” Years later, he sees the system differently.

This episode is not about attacking faith. It’s about transparency, accountability, and protecting children. Edward openly asks: What could I have done? Why didn’t I do more? And what must change to ensure this never happens again?

If you or someone you know has been affected by abuse in a religious setting, you are not alone.

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Mormon Dad Believes, Daughter Doesn't - Katie & Matt Todd | Ep. 2116

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 23 Feb 2026 19:00:00 GMT

What happens when a devoted Mormon father and his daughter –who no longer believes –sit down for an honest, loving conversation?

In this powerful "bridgebuilding" episode, Matt and Katie Todd share their story of faith, doubt, and family. Matt is a lifelong Latter-day Saint. Katie began questioning the Church while attending American Heritage School in Utah County –right across from the Timpanogos Temple –and eventually lost her faith as a teenager.

They talk about growing up in Utah County as a Mormon, reading church history and the CES Letter (during class!), controversial topics –such as polygamy, the priesthood and temple ban, and the Book of Abraham. They also talk about what it’s like to lose your testimony as a teenager, the fear that parents feel when their kids leave the church, and how unconditional love can survive even in the face of deep disagreement.

This episode isn’t about winning arguments. It’s about trust, conscience, empathy, and learning how families can stay connected even when beliefs change.

Whether you’re a believer, a former believer, or somewhere in between, this conversation offers a rare and hopeful model for how to disagree without rejecting each other.

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Responding to Polygamy Denial - John Turner pt. 32 | Ep. 2115

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 20 Feb 2026 19:00:00 GMT

Welcome to Part 32 of our series with Dr. John G Turner, based on his new book Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.

In this episode, Dr. Turner response directly to modern claims denying Joseph Smith’s plural marriage to Sarah Ann Whitney. We revisit Chapter 26 of his book, carefully examining the historical record surrounding the 1842 letter often associated with Sarah Ann Whitney, the language of sealing and “fulness of blessings,” the land deed, and the broader documentary context of Nauvoo-era plural marriage.

We also engage with alternative interpretations, including arguments that question whether the letter refers to polygamy at all. Drawing on Turner’s scholarship as well as Karen Hyatt’s analysis, this discussion models how historians weight evidence, examine primary sources, and wrestle with ambiguity. What constitutes strong documentation? How do historians interpret silence, denials, and later public statements? And how should we think about the broader context of Joseph Smith’s practice of plural marriage in Nauvoo?

Along the way, we explore the legal crisis surrounding the alleged assassination attempt on Lilburn Boggs, the Nauvoo writ of habeas corpus, the Sarah Ann Whitney Letter, Public denials and private sealings, sham marriages and the case of Joseph Kingsbury, documentation involving the Partridge sisters and why serious historical inquiry requires both skepticism and careful contextualization.

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David Archuleta’s Mormon Story | Ep. 2114

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 17 Feb 2026 11:41:00 GMT

In this powerful and deeply personal episode, we sit down with David Archuleta to discuss his new memoir, Devout: Losing My Faith to Find Myself. David opens up about his life inside of Mormonism, his rise to fame on American Idol, his mission, his relationship with Church leaders, and the long, painful journey toward self-acceptance as a gay man.

This conversation goes far beyond headlines. David walks us through the internalized shame, religious scrupulosity, and obsessive righteousness that shaped his childhood and young adulthood. He reflects on the messages he received about masculinity, sexuality, and obedience –and how those teachings distorted his understanding of intimacy, trust, and self-worth.

We explore David’s experiences with Mormon apostles, including M. Russell Ballard, the November 2015 Policy, and the unsettling realization that Church leaders often spoke with certainty despite privately admitting they had no answers. David shares what it was like to be counseled to marry a woman, to suppress his identity, and to believe his faith could “heal” him –while quietly spiraling toward despair.

This episode also addresses growing up in a Mormon bubble, religious OCD, messages about LGBTQ people, chastity and sin, fame and unpaid church services, leaving the church and reclaiming agency and what happiness and God look like for him now.

David speaks with extraordinary honest, vulnerability, and compassion –not just for himself, but for the countless LGBTQ people still navigating high-demand religions.

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What ExMormons Love About Mormonism - A Valentine's Day Special | Ep. 2113

Dr. John Dehlin — Sat, 14 Feb 2026 19:00:00 GMT

In this special Valentine’s episode, we are joined by Kolby Reddish (a rando on the internet), Nemo the Mormon, Carah Burrell (from Nuancehoe), Julia Sanders from Analyzing Mormonism and John Dehlin for a conversation that might surprise you.

Yes - We are critics of Mormonism.

Yes - We’ve experienced pain, disillusionment, and deep deconstruction.

And yet… we can hold two different truths at once.

In this episode, we model something that feels almost taboo in exMormon spaces: expressing gratitude for the things Mormonism gave us –while still being honest about its harm.

In this episode we discuss:

- Rituals that shaped our identities

- Community and why it’s hard to leave

- Awe, wonder, and valuing the body

- Agency and free will as an act of faith

- Why compassion and justice often lead people OUT of the church

- Whether we wish to destroy the church or make it better

There are so many good people inside the Mormon church. The people are often beautiful while the system is complicated. As Richard Rohr once said: “Nobody does first half of life better than Mormons” –and we all share deep gratitude for that first half.

This episode does not erase the negative things about the church. It doesn’t minimize harm. But it DOES ask whether we can be mature enough to acknowledge the good without surrendering our integrity.

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Joseph Smith's World on Fire in Nauvoo - John Turner pt 31 | Ep. 2112

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 13 Feb 2026 19:00:00 GMT

Welcome to Part 31 in our ongoing series with Dr. John Turner, based on his new book Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.

Today we are diving into Chapter 31, “World on Fire,” and the explosive years 1842-1843 in Nauvoo –a period marked by scandal, secrecy, political pressure, and deep internal crisis.

In this episode we cover the rise and fall of John C. Bennett and the “Spiritual Wifery” scandal. We also discuss the attempted assassination of Lilburn Boggs and the role of Porter Rockwell. We also cover aspects of polygamy, namely the Nancy Rigdon controversy and Joseph Smith’s failed proposal, the stories of Sarah Pratt and Sarah Ann Whitney (including the letter sent to the Whitneys in Joseph Smith’s own handwriting with specific instructions to burn the letter), and Emma Smith and the growing concerns in the Relief Society as well as Nauvoo at large.

We also examine how Nauvoo struggled to manage these crises, how accusations and denials shaped public perception, and why John Turner calls this moment a true “world on fire.”

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My Mormon Mission in Russia Almost Broke Me - Kyson Dana | Ep. 2111

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 09 Feb 2026 19:00:00 GMT

⚠️Trigger Warning: This episode includes discussions of violence, self-harm, suicide, and religious trauma.

In this deeply vulnerable and wide-ranging conversation, Kyson Dana shares his story of growing up Mormon, serving a mission in Russia, and the lifelong psychological, spiritual, and physical consequences that followed. What was supposed to be the “best two years” of his life became the most traumatic –shaping his identity, mental health, and eventual departure from the Church.

Kyson opens up about generational trauma, internalized shame, self-policing, and suicidal ideation in his youth. He walks us through the intense pressure to be perfect, the weaponization of guilt and obedience, and how Mormonism taught him to disconnect from himself in order to survive.

We dive deeply into the realities of missionary life in Russia: shrinking missions, violence, threats, abductions, murders, leadership silence, and explicit instructions NOT to tell families what was happening. Kyson recounts being told not to come home unless it was “in a coffin,” enduring extreme fasting, psychological abuse, and witnessing acts of violence that were never processed or acknowledged.

Beyond the mission, Kyson shares how this trauma followed him into adulthood –fueling panic disorder, Complex PTSD, and a prolonged faith crisis. He discusses therapy, EMDR, creative work, and the careful, supported use of psychedelics as part of healing. We also explore his work helping teens navigate shame-based purity culture, pornography narratives (“Fight the new drug!”), and the dangerous conflation of morality with normal human behavior.

This episode is about far more than Mormonism –it’s about identity, belonging, survival, and what it takes to come back to yourself after an institution teaches you to turn yourself off.

If you’ve ever felt broken by a system that promised salvation, you’re not alone.

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Relief Society Secret Polygamy & Joseph Smith's Character - John Turner Pt. 30 | Ep. 2110

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 06 Feb 2026 19:00:00 GMT

Welcome to Episode 30 of our series The Joseph Smith Podcast with Dr. John Turner where we discuss chapters from his new book “Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.”

In this episode, we dive further into Chapter 24 (“Upper Rooms”) from John Turner’s work and unpack the origins of the LDS Relief Society in May of 1842 –right in the middle of Joseph Smith’s secret practice of polygamy. We explore whether the Relief Society was meant to empower women, function as a stepping stone to priesthood-like authority, or help manage rumors and moral fallout from Nauvoo’s growing scandals.

From Emma Smith’s complicated position, to whispered accusations, to the infamous “Happiness Letter,” this conversation traces how secrecy, power, and polygamy collide –and what it all says about Joseph Smith’s character. We also look at whistleblowers, public denials, internal investigations (or lack thereof), and how victims and critics were treated when scandals became impossible to contain.

This is part Mormon history, part true crime, and part moral reckoning –with big questions about leadership, secrecy, and accountability.

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Elizabeth Smart's “Mormon” Kidnapping | Ep. 2109

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 04 Feb 2026 19:00:00 GMT

A new Netflix documentary on the 2002 kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart in Salt Lake City by Brian David Mitchell and Wanda Barzee (all Mormons) has been released. To what extent was this kidnapping influenced by Joseph Smith and/or Mormonism? Join John, Samantha, Alyssa, and Taylor as they explore the Mormon connections to Elizbeth Smart's kidnapping.

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Freemasonry & The Early Nauvoo Endowment Ceremony - John Turner Pt. 29 | Ep. 2108

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 30 Jan 2026 19:00:00 GMT

Welcome back to our Joseph Smith Podcast series with historian Dr. John Turner!

This is Episode 29, where we dive into Chapter 24, titled “Upper Rooms,” from John Turner’s new book Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.

In this episode, we focus on Nauvoo in 1842 –a pivotal year when Freemasonry, the Relief Society, secrecy, and the earliest forms of the Nauvoo Endowment ceremony all intersect.

The central question we wrestle with is this: To what extent did Freemasonry shape Joseph Smith’s use of secrecy –and was it intended to protect his authority and reputation?

We explore the anti-Masonic climate of early America and the murder of William Morgan, why the Book of Mormon was once read as an “anti-Masonic Bible,” Joseph Smith’s embrace of Freemasonry, the founding of the Nauvoo Masonic Lodge, Parallels between Masonic rituals and the original Nauvoo Endowment, the secret oaths, handshakes, signs, tokens, and penalties, and Joseph Smith’s evolving theology around power and exaltation.

This conversation is historically grounded, candid, and essential for anyone trying to understand how Mormon temple theology developed –and why it still matters today!

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Italian Mormon Pioneers Leave Church - Leopoldo Larcher and Emily Guincho | Ep. 2107

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 26 Jan 2026 18:00:01 GMT

On today’s episode, we welcome two very special guests! Leopoldo Larcher and Emily Guincho are a father–daughter duo here to share their Italian Mormon story as the first family to join the LDS Church in Italy.

Leopoldo details his experience of quickly being placed into leadership roles and bearing the responsibility of helping establish the structure of the Church in Italy. Over the years, he worked with many LDS Church leaders, from Ezra Taft Benson to Spencer W. Kimball.

His daughter, Emily, joins us to share her own perspective on what it was like for her and her siblings to grow up in an environment dominated by church service and the immense pressure to represent Mormonism in their community.

Together, Emily and Leopoldo reflect on what it meant to be Mormon pioneers in Italy, how their dedicated service affected their family life, and where they stand with the Church today. They also discuss what the LDS community looks like in Italy within a predominantly Catholic culture, and the challenges the Church faces as it attempts to establish a uniquely American institution in Europe.

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Where Did Joseph Smith Get the Idea for Ancient Plates? - LDS Discussions Pt. 70 | Ep. 2106

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 23 Jan 2026 19:00:00 GMT

Welcome to Episode 70 of our LDS Discussions series!

In this episode, our panel takes a deep dive into one of the most debated questions surrounding the Book of Mormon: were ancient metal plates a known concept in Joseph Smith’s world, and are they truly comparable to the golden plates he described?

We examine historical sources from the 18th and 19th centuries that reference metal records –brass, copper, lead, and stone –and place them within Joseph Smith’s cultural and intellectual milieu. From biblical scholarship and early American speculation about Native American origins to apologists’ use of presentism, this episode carefully distinguishes between general awareness of metal inscriptions and the specific, unprecedented claims of a large golden codex containing extensive narrative text.

Along the way, we explore major figures, books, and ideas circulating before and during Joseph Smith’s lifetime, assess whether these sources were likely known to him, and ask a crucial question: at what point does probability break down –not because of a single anachronism, but because of the sheer scale and complexity of the plates described in the Book of Mormon?

This conversation builds toward a detailed timeline of Joseph Smith’s environment, highlighting how concepts expanded, evolved, and were ultimately synthesized into something entirely new.

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From Mormon to Christian Pastor - Jean Daniel O’Donncada | Ep. 2105

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 20 Jan 2026 19:00:01 GMT

In this episode of Mormon Stories Podcast, we talk with Jean Daniel about his journey from a devoted Mormon convert to a Christian pastor. Growing up in Boston, Jean discovered Mormonism as a teenager and found in it a strong sense of structure, identity, and belonging. He served a mission in San Diego, CA and was later married in the Newport beach temple.

While studying at Harvard and Yale Divinity Schools, Jean began to see the value in many Christian traditions and ultimately let go of the idea of “one true church.” He shares how this shift led him toward a more open, hopeful approach to Christianity grounded in community. Today, Jean serves as the National Pastor of Canada for the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ).

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Book of Abraham & "God Making" in Nauvoo - John Turner Pt. 28 | Ep. 2104

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 16 Jan 2026 19:00:00 GMT

Welcome to Part 28 of our John G. Turner series of the Joseph Smith Podcast! Today we continue our deep dive into the Egyptian Materials, the Book of Abraham, and how its theology shaped Mormonism’s most distinctive doctrines –including premortal existence, exaltation, intelligences, and the idea of God becoming God.

This episode explores how Joseph Smith resumed work on the papyri in Nauvoo, publicly introduced the Book of Abraham, and used it as a vehicle for unfolding expansive cosmology and theology. We examine the papyri themselves, the facsimiles, translation claims, the catalyst theory, and why there is little evidence that key scrolls are missing.

More importantly, we trace how the Book of Abraham becomes the theological backbone for ideas that later crystalize in the King Follett Discourse, the Plan of Salvation, the War in Heaven, and the belief that humans can become Gods.

This is Part 2 of our discussion on the Egyptian Materials and their lasting influence on Mormon doctrine.

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Child Bride under Warren Jeffs - Ceci Hendrickson | Ep. 2103

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 12 Jan 2026 19:05:59 GMT

In this episode of Mormon Stories Podcast, we sit down with Ceci Hendrickson, who shares her story of growing up in the FLDS Church before the rise of Warren Jeffs and witnessing how the church transformed under his leadership. Warren Jeffs was once her high school principal, long before he became the self-proclaimed prophet of the FLDS Church.

Ceci walks us through her upbringing in a large polygamist family, where strict rules, indoctrination, and obedience were woven into everyday life. She describes how life changed dramatically when Warren Jeffs took power, detailing how religious practices became increasingly extreme. Families were torn apart as church members were regularly sent away, creating a culture of fear and paranoia within the community. We explore the realities of arranged marriages, the phrase “keep sweet,” and the systems that normalized control and abuse—especially for women and children.

As a teenager, Ceci was suddenly told she would be married, launching her into a polygamous marriage that she now recognizes as child abuse. She shares what it was like to be reassigned within families, to live in hiding after crimes were committed, and to witness children—including her sister wife’s 12-year-old stepdaughter—being handed over to Warren Jeffs himself as plural wives. We also discuss the YFZ Ranch in Texas, the 2008 raid, Warren Jeffs’ continued control of the church from prison, and how his actions ultimately contributed to the unraveling of the FLDS community.

We then discuss Ceci’s escape from polygamy, how she managed to reclaim her children from the church, and how she built a new life for her family outside of the FLDS faith.

Today, Ceci is a mother, entrepreneur, and advocate, using her voice to help other women find their way out and reclaim their lives.

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Joseph Smith's First Year of Polygamy in Nauvoo - John Turner Pt. 27 | Ep. 2102

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 09 Jan 2026 19:00:00 GMT

Welcome to episode 27 of the Joseph Smith Podcast with Dr. John G. Turner!

In this episode, we take a deep dive into Joseph Smith’s early practice of polygamy in Nauvoo, tracing how it began, how it expanded so rapidly, and what it reveals about power, belief, and risk.

We examine the first plural marriages, the people Joseph trusted to introduce the practice, and the recurring patterns that emerge as polygamy spreads among church leadership. Along the way, we ask difficult questions about revelation, consent, secrecy, scripture, and whether Joseph believed his actions were divinely required –or something else entirely.

This discussion also situates polygamy within the broader political and social pressures Joseph faced in the early 1840s, including legal threats, growing opposition, and his increasing confidence and recklessness as Nauvoo flourished. Ultimately, we explore whether Joseph’s polygamy can be understood as sincere belief, institutional experimentation, abuse of authority, or some combination of all three.

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Mormon Mom Becomes the Provider for Her Family - Cate Smith | Ep. 2101

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 05 Jan 2026 19:00:00 GMT

What happens when a Mormon woman becomes the primary provider for her family –inside a religion that teaches her highest purpose is in the home?

In this deeply personal and honest conversation, Cate Smith shares her journey growing up Mormon, internalizing the Family Proclamation, and believing her eternal destiny was marriage, motherhood, and supporting her husband. From being voted “most likely to be mom” as a teenager to entering the temple and covenanting to hearken to her husband, Cate explains how clearly her path seemed laid out for her.

But life didn't unfold the way Mormonism promised.

After earning a degree in accounting “as a backup,” Cate unexpectedly became the breadwinner, while her husband stepped into a more nurturing, stay-at-home role. What followed was grief, identity loss, social pressure, depression, and eventually therapy –along with the realization that the only thing wrong with being a working mom was being Mormon.

As Cate began questioning gender roles, authority, and worth, those questions expanded into a full faith crisis –sparked by therapy, church culture, the Family Proclamation, Ensign Peak and SEC fraud revelations, racism in church history, and the fear-based framework of Mormon belief. She shares how integrity ultimately mattered more than certainty, and why she chose to resign from the Church before she even fully believed it wasn’t true.

Cate’s story is raw, thoughtful, and deeply relatable –especially for women navigating faith, motherhood, careers, and self-trust after leaving a high-demand religion.

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Baptism for the Dead, Re-Baptism and John C. Bennett - John Turner Pt. 26 | Ep. 2100

Dr. John Dehlin — Sat, 27 Dec 2025 00:30:00 GMT

Welcome to Part 26 of our Joseph Smith Podcast series! In this episode, we continue our deep dive into Chapter 22 of John Turner’s new biography, Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet, as the story moves to the founding of Nauvoo, Illinois in 1840 –a fresh start for the Latter-day Saints and a turning point in Joseph Smith’s theology and authority.

We explore the emergence of baptism for the dead, one of the most distinctive doctrines introduced in Nauvoo, and how Joseph Smith framed proxy ordinances as answers to grief, death, and eternal family bonds. From New Testament passages to Adam Clarke’s biblical commentary, we examine how this doctrine developed, why the Saints embraced it so enthusiastically, and how it eventually became tied to the temple.

This episode also covers the doctrine of re-baptism, a ritual that allowed faithful members to recommit repeatedly, and what this reveals about early Mormon ideas of salvation, renewal, and belonging. We also introduce one of the most controversial figures of the Nauvoo period: John C. Bennett –a charismatic leader with a scandalous past whose rise and fall would have lasting consequences for Nauvoo, Joseph Smith, and the Church’s political and legal standing.

Along the way, we discuss Nauvoo’s utopian hopes, strange theological ideas, spiritual experimentation, the growing power of the Nauvoo militia (and Joseph Smith), and the seeds of opposition that will eventually lead to Joseph Smith’s death.

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I Was the Poster Boy for Mormon Gay Conversion Therapy - Appio Hunter | Ep. 2099

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 24 Dec 2025 20:02:08 GMT

In this powerful episode, we sit down with Appio Hunter, whose early life as a Portuguese-speaking Mormon kid, his journey through conversion therapy, and his eventual path to love, self-acceptance, and healing make for one of the most profound LGBTQ+ Mormon Stories ever shared on this channel.

Raised between Southern California and Utah by a Brazilian mother and a father with deep pioneer-era lineage, Appio knew from age four that he was different. By adolescence, he recognized he was gay –just as he was absorbing the harsh anti-gay rhetoric embedded in Mormon culture of the era. What followed was years of masking, spiritual turmoil, self-hatred, and the crushing belief that he needed to be “fixed.”

Appio was eventually ushered into LDS-supported Reparative Therapy, including talk therapy, group sessions, “baseball therapy,” and even a type of 12-step program designed to eliminate same-sex attraction. This path led him all the way to the early 1990s offices of senior LDS General Authorities –including Russell M. Nelson and Henry B. Eyring –where he was held up as a "success story" of conversion therapy.

Beneath the surface of being the “poster boy” for Reparative Therapy, the cost was devastating: self-loathing, loneliness, suicidal ideation, and the tragic loss of peers who didn’t survive the program. Ultimately, Appio’s journey brought him toward authenticity and real love.

This is a story of survival, identity, love, and liberation –a must-watch for anyone navigating faith transitions, LGBTQ+ issues, or the legacy of Mormon conversion therapy.

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The Future of Mormonism (2025 Edition) w/ Roger Hendrix | Ep. 2098

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 22 Dec 2025 19:00:00 GMT

Please join us for a live episode with Roger Hendrix - one of the highest ranking Latter-day Saints ever interviewed on Mormon Stories Podcast. Roger served as CES Director, Bishop, Stake Presidency Member, Mission President, and served for 18 years as a Trustee on the board of the Deseret Trust Company (called to the position by President Gordon B. Hinckley).

Today we are discussing the Church’s renewed emphasis on the Atonement, its place in within Western Christianity, and whether recent shifts represent genuine change, pragmatic adaptation, or strategic rebranding. We dig into uncomfortable questions about wealth, humanitarian efforts, racial history, LGBTQ issues, missionary growth, and the Church’s ability (or unwillingness) to acknowledge past harm.

The discussion also looks forward: What is the future of Mormonism? Will the Church change its stance on same-sex marriage, women and the priesthood, or the Word of Wisdom? How are Apostles chosen, how does power function at the top, and what would it take -if anything -to bring former members back into activity?

This episode includes thoughtful pushback from multiple perspectives, audience comments, and a lightning round of predictions that gets very real, very fast!

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Joseph Smith and the Keys of the Universe - John Turner Pt. 25 | Ep. 2097

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 19 Dec 2025 19:00:00 GMT

In today’s episode, we dive into Chapter 21 titled “Keys” from Dr. John Turner’s new book “Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.” This chapter cover the pivotal years of 1839-1840, as the Saints leave behind the trauma of Missouri and begin building a new gathering place in Commerce (soon to be Nauvoo), Illinois.

We pick up the story right after Joseph Smith escapes Liberty Jail, exploring how he reclaims leadership, rebuilds momentum, and introduces new theological ideas that will shape Latter-day Saint doctrine for generations.

Dr. Turner –writing as a never-Mormon historian –gives us a clear-eyed look Joseph’s rapid return to power, the purchase of Nauvoo lands, the arrival of the mummies and papyri, early missionary ambitions in Europe, evolving doctrines about angels and theosis, and Joseph’s bold claims about “keys” –including what Turner calls “the keys of the universe.”

We also get into the politics: Joseph’s 1840 trip to Washington, his audience with President Martin Van Buren, and the Saints’ ongoing fight for redress. And yes –we discuss everything from healings during the malaria outbreak to phrenology, patriarchal blessings, lineage theories, dynastic sealings, and even the perennial question: Was Joseph Smith actually good-looking?

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Excommunicated for Disbelieving in Joseph Smith's Polygamy - Karen Hyatt | Ep. 2096

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 18 Dec 2025 17:00:00 GMT

In this in-depth conversation, John sits down with Karen Hyatt to explore her lifelong faith journey in the LDS Church and the research that ultimately led to her excommunication. Karen shares her background as a devoted member -convert parents, mission service, leadership roles, and decades without doubt –before explaining what prompted her to closely examine Doctrine and Covenants 132 and the history of polygamy.

The discussion traces Karen’s deep divine into church history, including the Book of Mormon’s condemnation of polygamy, early revelations, the Nauvoo Expositor, William Clayton’s journals, Emma Smith’s role, and conclusions reached by modern LDS historians. Karen explains why she ultimately rejected D&C 132, why she believes Joseph Smith did NOT practice polygamy, and how she responds to accusations of bias or conspiracy thinking.

Karen also walks through the personal and institutional consequences of speaking publicly: compiling and sending her research to the Apostles (and their wives!), creating videos, disciplinary councils, losing her temple recommend, and being barred from paying tithing –while still choosing to attend church and value her ward community. The episode examines broader themes of authority, misinformation, prophetic fallibility, confirmation bias, and whether faith can exist without institutional silence.

This episode is a candid, emotionally grounded look at belief, dissent, and the cost of challenging one of Mormonism's most controversial doctrines.

Karen has compiled her research into a book titled “Woe Unto You, Scribes: The Hidden History of Polygamy.” You can order a spiral bound notebook online by emailing her: WoeUntoYouScribes@gmail.com

To find a PDF version of her book click here: https://josephtoldthetruth.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Woe-Unto-You-Scribes.pdf

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The Other Isaiah Problem in the Book of Mormon w/ Kolby Reddish - LDS Discussions Pt. 68 | Ep. 2095

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 17 Dec 2025 19:00:01 GMT

Join Kolby, Nemo, Julia, and Dr. John Dehlin for one of our most in-depth LDS Discussions episodes yet as we unpack “The Other Isaiah Problem” and what it means for the historicity of the Book of Mormon.

In this episode, we explore why scholars overwhelmingly view isaiah as a multi-author work, how the Great Isaiah Scroll challenges the Book of Mormon’s use of Isaiah, and why the text consistently aligns with the King James Version rather than ancient sources. We walk through the history of the brass plates, the transition from school to codex technology, and the anachronisms the Church now quietly acknowledges.

We compare the Great Isaiah Scroll, the Masoretic Text, the Original Manuscript of the Book of Mormon, and the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible, revealing where Joseph Smith appears to be pulling from later biblical scholarship –including Adam Clarke’s commentary –and where verses in the Book of Mormon simply did not exist in ancient manuscripts. We ask the question: What does this mean for believers who want the text to be historical?

Whether you’re deeply familiar with LDS scholarship or just starting your faith journey, this episode lays out the evidence clearly, accessibly, and respectfully –while still asking the hard questions.

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Doubt Strengthened My Faith - Greg Matsen | Ep. 2094

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 15 Dec 2025 19:00:00 GMT

Today we welcome Greg Matsen, a believing member of the LDS Church, to talk about what the Church means to him and how he tries to live out a healthy, thoughtful approach to Mormonism.

Host of the podcast Cwic Show, Greg joins us today to share his Mormon story–from growing up in a “practical” orthodox family in Southern California and serving a mission in Mexico City, to navigating marriage, parenting, and personal belief in the LDS church today.

We dive into his experiences with doubt, why he believes questioning can actually strengthen faith, and what led him to start the Cwic Show on YouTube. Along the way, Greg shares his thoughts on church misconceptions, LGBTQ issues, politics, and tough questions like the role of women in the Church–all from the perspective of an active and believing member of the LDS church.

We hope this episode will be beneficial to anyone trying to stay faithful to the Mormon Church, even after doubts arise.

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Not So Secret Lives of Not So Mormon Wives - Season 3 Pt. 2 | Ep. 2093

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 12 Dec 2025 19:00:00 GMT

Welcome back to Part Two of our deep-dive coverage of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 3!

In this episode, John is joined by Alyssa Alexander and Samantha Shelley to continue unpacking the plot-points this season that highly represent Mormon culture. We will take a closer look at Mikayla and Jace’s relationship, the cast's opinions on LGBT+ issues in Utah, Demi’s claim of sexual-assault , and Taylor and Dakota’s baby blessing. From complicated relationship dynamics to the cultural tensions woven through these episodes, we examine what’s really going on behind the drama.

Whether you’re watching along with us or just here for the commentary, settle in and join the conversation as we dive even deeper into the season’s most emotional and culturally revealing moments.

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When Your Child Dies as a Mormon Mom - Heidi Bruno Pt. 2 | Ep. 2092

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 10 Dec 2025 19:00:00 GMT

We are back today with Part 2 of our epic interview with Heidi Bruno. In Part 1, Heidi shared her story of suffering sexual abuse as a teenager at the hands of the Elders Quorum President in her ward.

In Part 2, we shift the focus to Heidi’s daughter, Holly, who was diagnosed with cancer at the age of eight and tragically passed away in March of 2018. Heidi describes the inspiring movement that Holly started during her treatment, called “Love Is Everywhere,” and the wide-reaching impact it had on many communities.

While the gospel was a great comfort to Holly and her family during this heartbreaking time, Heidi also shares how her views on the LDS Church began to shift after experiencing the death of her daughter as a devout Mormon mother.

We are extremely grateful to Heidi for her strength in sharing this sobering story and hope that it resonates with all of you as deeply as it did with us.

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My Mormon Leader Abused Me as a Teen - Heidi Bruno Pt. 1 | Ep. 2091

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 08 Dec 2025 19:00:01 GMT

Join us today for the start of an epic two-part episode with Heidi Bruno, who is here to share her story of abuse within the church and her experience of losing a child as a Mormon mother.

In Part 1, Heidi details her history of sexual abuse as a teenager by the Elders Quorum President in her ward—while her father was serving as bishop. We discuss how her abuser groomed her using highly manipulative tactics and by abusing his authority in the ward. For years afterward, Heidi carried the shame of this abusive relationship, not understanding until much later that she had been a victim. She also shares what ultimately led her to speak up about the abuse once she gained the awareness that she had been victimized.

Then, join us later this week for Part 2 of Heidi’s story, where she discusses the loss of her eight-year-old daughter to cancer and the effect this devastating loss had on her LDS faith. You will not want to miss this powerful and important Mormon Story.

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Escaping Liberty Jail w/ Joseph Smith - John Turner Pt. 24 | Ep. 2090

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 05 Dec 2025 19:00:00 GMT

In this episode (Part 24), we dive into one of the most dramatic and painful chapters in early Letter-day Saint history: Liberty Jail.

Joseph Smith was arrested on December 1, 1838 and eventually taken to Liberty Jail. Today we will cover his imprisonment, the chaotic legal proceedings that followed, and the eventual “escape” that allowed him to reunite with his family as the Saints resettled in Quincy, Illinois.

We explore how internal conflicts, political pressures, treason charges, and widespread anti-Mormon hostility shaped Joseph’s experience –and how his letters from Liberty Jail become some of the most cherished passages in Latter-day Saint scripture. We discuss betrayal, leadership crises, the brutality of Missouri’s expulsion, and the Saints’ struggle to survive amidst violence, sickness, and dislocation.

This chapter also raises hard questions:

Was Joseph Smith’s trial fair?

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What does Joseph Smith’s behavior tell us about his character?

We conclude by following Joseph’s escape, his emotionally charged reunion with the Saints in Illinois, and the lasting trauma and financial strain the Missouri experience left behind. This is an episode you won’t want to miss!

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Could Joseph Smith Write or Dictate a Well-Worded Letter? LDS Discussions Pt. 67 | Ep. 2089

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 02 Dec 2025 19:00:00 GMT

Welcome to another episode of our LDS Discussions series! In this episode, we take a detailed, evidence-based look at one of the most repeated claims in Latter-day Saint apologetics: that Joseph Smith was incapable of producing a well-written text –and therefore could not have authored the Book of Mormon.

Drawing from Joseph Smith’s three earliest letters (written in 1829-1830), historical context, church manuals, apologetic arguments, and modern scholarship, we critically explore where the evidence leads. We don’t care where you land on the belief spectrum –our is clarity, transparency, and accuracy.

We are joined today by Kolby Reddish and Julia (Nemo couldn’t make it), who walk us through the major claims, the apologetic narratives, and the documents themselves. This is an episode you won’t want to miss!

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Help Keep Mormon Stories Podcast Alive (2025)

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 01 Dec 2025 19:30:00 GMT

We at Mormon Stories Podcast worked super hard to deliver quality programming in 2025. We have great plans for 2026 which include:

More high quality, in-depth, classic, long form faith journey stories with Margi Dehlin.
The completion of the "Life of Joseph Smith" series with Dr. John Turner (including SEVERAL chapters on Nauvoo Polygamy!!!). John says you won't want to miss these.
A further reboot of the LDS Discussions series with Kolby Reddish, Nemo, and Julia.
A continuation of the Mormon Bridgebuilders panel series with Beau Oyler, Dr. Julie Hanks, and Jana Spangler.
We are also possibly facing additional legal costs (which I am not able to discuss at present). If you would like to help us financially prepare for potential legal costs, we would love your support.

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Mormons React to Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 3 Pt. 1 | Ep. 2088

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 25 Nov 2025 19:00:00 GMT

Welcome back to our deep-dive coverage of Secret lives of Mormon Wives!

In this episode, we break down every twist, confession, and jaw-dropping moment from Season 3 with honest reactions, analysis, and plenty of laughs along the way. Our panelists today are: Hayley Rawle (of Girl's Camp Podcast), Alyssa Alexander, Smantha Shelley (of Zelph on the Shelf), Brooklyn Alden and Dr. John Dehlin. If you've ollowed our previous reviews, you alreaedy know -we're all about thoughtful commetary, behind-the-scenes context, and pointing out the details you may have missed.

In Part One of our Season 3 review, we're exploring the storyline, relationships, and "revelations" that kick off the season. Whether you're a longtime fan of the show or jumping in for the first time, we'll help you make sense of the drama, the dynamics, and the secrets simmering under the surface.

So grab a snack, get comfy, and join us as we unpack it all -episode by episode!

Watch the series on Hulu here: https://www.hulu.com/series/the-secret-lives-of-mormon-wives-58cd73be-408d-4eed-8e3d-82339f3f93e2

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Extermination Orders in Mormon Missouri - John Turner Pt. 23 | Ep. 2087

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 21 Nov 2025 20:06:42 GMT

Welcome to Part 23 of our Joseph Smith the Podcast series with Dr. John G. Turner. Today we are continuing our discussion of Chapter 19 of his new book “Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet” that covers the years 1838-1839 in Missouri.

Today we will dive deeper into one of the most volatile and consequential moments in early Latter-day Saint history: the escalating conflict between the Mormon settlers and the Missourians in the late 1830s. In this episode, we examine how political tensions, misinformation, vigilante actions, and religious absolutism collided to create a crisis that would lead to the infamous extermination order and some of the darkest events of the Mormon-Missouri War.

We explore the political landscape of Missouri, Joseph Smith’s rising militancy, the Danites, the allegations made by Thomas Marsh and Orson Hyde, the tragedy at Haun’s Mill, and the forces that brought both sides to the brink. From mob violence to theological justifications, from desperate settlers to governors refusing to intervene, this chapter shows how a religious movement and a frontier state found themselves locked in a spiral neither could escape.

If you’ve been following the series, this episode continues directly from Part 22 and sets the stage for the next chapter: Liberty Jail.

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Can One Mormon Woman be Sealed to Two Men? - Rebecca Lucero Jones Pt. 2 | Ep. 2086

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 19 Nov 2025 18:25:07 GMT

In part two of this important series with Rebecca Lucero Jones, we explore the question: What happens when a Mormon widow tries to be sealed to two men? In the LDS faith, a man can be sealed to a second wife if his first wife passes away. But, as we will learn from Rebecca’s story, Mormon widows do not receive the same treatment.

After the death of her first husband, Rebecca describes what it was like to find a second chance at love and marriage. She then shares her experience requesting a “second-sealing clearance” from LDS Church leaders (in order to be sealed to her living husband), and what their ultimate response to this request was.

We also discuss how current policies complicate questions of the afterlife for these families. These policies leave widows feeling uncertain about their place in eternity and, in turn, often undesired by Mormon men who hope to avoid this existential confusion.

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Losing My Mormon Eternal Companion - Rebecca Lucero Jones | Ep. 2085

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 17 Nov 2025 19:00:01 GMT

Today we are kicking off our two-part series with Rebecca Lucero Jones, who is here to share her story of losing her husband and the unique complications widows face within the Mormon faith. We will be examining the question of what the Mormon afterlife looks like for widows.

In Part 1, Rebecca describes her Mormon upbringing and her eventual marriage to her first husband, Isaac, with whom she had two children before he was tragically killed in a car accident.

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The Danites: Joseph Smith's Mormon Paramilitary Group - John Turner Pt. 22 | Ep. 2084

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 14 Nov 2025 19:00:00 GMT

Welcome back for Part 22 of our Joseph Smith the Podcast series with Dr. John G. Turner as we continue to cover his new book “Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.”

In this episode, we explore one of the most controversial and lesser-known chapters in early Latter-day Saint history –the rise of the Danites, a secretive paramilitary organization formed during the turbulent Missouri period of 1838.

We trace tensions between Mormons and non-Mormons escalated into organized violence, how Joseph Smith, Sidney Rigdon, and other church leaders responded, and what this meant for the future of the Latter-day Saint movement. Along the way, we discuss excommunications, failed settlements, political conflicts, and the enduring question: Did Joseph Smith authorize the Danites’ violent actions?

This is the first half of Chapter 19 of the book, covering the years 1838-1839 in Missouri –where “Zion” collided with the American frontier.

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00:06:35 The Mormons settled in Caldwell county, little Zion00:10:50 Joseph doesn’t want a repeat of what happened in Kirtland, Ohio00:15:15 Many of the Brethren no longer have confidence in Joseph Smith00:26:20 The true crime was disloyalty00:30:07 Is it possible that Oliver falsely accused Joseph with Fanny Alger?00:36:54 Adam-ondi-Ahman and the Garden of Eden00:40:18 Did Joseph Smith think the Book of Mormon geography expanded down to MesoAmerica?00:47:46 Rapidly growing Mormon settlements and non-Mormons object to it00:50:30 The Danites in Mormon history01:03:22 People fighting in the temple and everything was falling apart01:07:37 Joseph Smith authorizes violence against non-Mormon Missourians01:08:36 Who were the Danites and did Joseph Smith authorize it?01:21:49 Salty speech from Sidney Rigdon01:29:44 Danite sign of distress01:31:19 Closing remarks - lead up to Missouri mob violence01:36:09 If the Saints had always acted peacefully, could they have been left alone to thrive in Missouri?

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Wallace Stegner's "Mormon" Story w/ Alex Beam and Barbara Jones Brown | Ep. 2083

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 12 Nov 2025 19:00:00 GMT

In this fascinating interview, author and journalist Alex Beam joins Mormon Stories to discuss his new biography titled Wallace Stegner: Dean of Western Writers –published by Signature Books. Alex Beam is an acclaimed journalist and author known for his insightful historical biographies. Historian and executive director of Signature Books, Barbara Jones Brown is also joining us today!

Beam explores the life, legacy, and complex relationships Stegner had with Mormonism, the American West, and figures like Joseph Smith and Gordon B. Hinckley. From Stegner’s friendship and literary achievements to his nuanced understanding of Mormon culture, this conversation dives into history, literature, and faith.

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00:00:00 Introductions00:01:13 Who was Wallace Stegner?00:04:25 Who is Alex Beam?00:12:08 Who was Joseph Smith and his character?00:17:37 Why did Signature publish this book?00:20:10 Professor Vardis Fisher was a talent spotter00:24:47 Mormon adjacent life of Wallace Stegner00:34:07 Stegner had old fashioned values and dating Mormon women00:37:47 His experience at the University of Utah00:47:18 Stegner’s career and the main books he wrote00:57:07 His mother and brother died in Salt Lake City00:57:32 The picture of his mother’s gravestone01:04:08 Stegner on polygamy01:10:08 Stegner’s work on Bernard DeVoto01:19:35 Stegner won the Pulitzer Prize for his book “The Year of Decisions 1846”01:23:21 Four historians whom he has complete trust in (including Juanita Brooks)01:30:06 Stegner wasn’t there to quarrel with the Mormon church01:32:17 Closing remarks

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Tim Ballard vs. the Mormon "Deep Church" w/ Carah Burrell! | Ep. 2082

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 11 Nov 2025 20:38:05 GMT

In this explosive deep-dive, John Dehlin and Carah Burrell unpack the shocking rise, fall, and reinvention of Tim Ballard, the founder of Operation Underground Railroad and former ally of the LDS Church, as well as the self-styled hero of the Sound of Freedom movie.

From his alleged misconduct and excommunication to conspiracy claims about “The Deep Church,” Tim Ballard’s story intertwines faith, politics, and power in ways that continue to shake the Mormon and evangelical words.

Join us as we trace the full timeline –from his early missions and fundraising empire to the lawsuits, psychic consultations, and his recent pivot toward Christian nationalism and political ambition.

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The Kirtland Bank Scandal & Joseph Smith - w/ John Turner Pt. 21 | Ep. 2081

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 07 Nov 2025 19:00:00 GMT

We are back today with part 21 of our Joseph Smith Podcast series with Dr. John Turner, discussing his new book Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.

In this episode, we explore one of the most fascinating and consequential moments in early Latter-day Saint history –the Kirtland Bank Scandal. Chapter 18 titled “Follies” (1836-1837), captures a turbulent period when Joseph SMith and the Saints in Kirtland, Ohio, faced financial ruin, internal dissent, and the unraveling of faith and community.

We trace how the ambitious completion of the Kirtland Temple left the Saints deep in debt and how Joseph Smith’s attempt to solve these financial woes through the creation of the Kirtland Safety Society Bank (or “anti” Bank) spiraled into one of the earliest crises of the Restoration. Against the backdrop of President ANdrew Jackson’s anti-bank crusade and the Panic of 1837, the Saints’ experiment with banking, prophecy, and faith would test their loyalty, their leadership, and their limits.

The story unfolds through dramatic events: Joseph and Sidney hiding from sheriffs, treasure-digging expeditions to Salem in search of divine relief from debt, and the chaotic collapse of confidence in the unchartered “anti-bank.” We discuss how this episode intertwined religious revelation and financial desperation – and how it triggered what became the largest apostasy in early church history.

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Nahom: The Strongest Evidence for the Book of Mormon? - LDS Discussions w/ Kolby Reddish | Ep. 2080

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 05 Nov 2025 19:00:01 GMT

Is Nahom really the strongest evidence for the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon? In this episode, we take a deep dive into noe of the most cited archaeological “proofs” of the Book of Mormon -the discovery of altars inscribed with the letters NHM in Yemen.

John Dehlin and attorney and former clerk from the Idaho Supreme Court, Kolby Reddish examine what the text of the Book of Mormon actually says about Nahom, where it’s supposed to be located, and whether the archaeological evidence matches up. Along the way, we look at how apologists, scholars, and critics have each interpreted this find -and what it really says about the historicity of the Book of Mormon.

We also examine whether or not Joseph Smith could have known about Nahom (or Nehem) from maps or Biblical references, and how issues like confirmation bias and faith-based reasoning play into the debate.

This conversation aims to be evidence-based, thoughtful, and respectful -seeking understanding amid polarization in the Mormon and ex-Mormon communities.

00:00:00 Introduction00:03:15 Does the Book of Mormon need to be historical?00:04:31 John’s intentions for these episodes00:09:30 What is Nahom? - Introduction to First Nephi00:11:34 The place “which was called Nahom”00:14:10 What the Book of Mormon text says in 1 Nephi 16:34

00:18:35 S Kent Brown calling the issue of Nahom “basically settled”00:26:10 Photos of the altars with “NHM”00:27:30 How apologists are characterizing this00:29:27 Clip on an Inconvenient Faith on Nahom00:33:05 Where are “NHM” altars located and is it where the Book of Mormon says?00:36:45 What the Book of Mormon says about the location of Nahom00:43:48 Another map from Scripture Central page on an ancient tribal region00:46:00 The Site for the NHM altars (The Barran Temple)00:50:59 Brief introduction to the Sabaeans, a group of people much larger than those at Jerusalem00:52:15 The inscriptions on the altars01:00:24 Where this temple site is, 25 miles from the Nihm region01:02:56 Clip - Did Joseph Smith find “Nahom” on old maps01:09:40 Maps that include Nahom/Nehem01:13:50 Occam’s Razor01:15:43 Nahum in the Bible01:19:52 Oliver Cowdery purchased a Bible01:23:44 All the problems you would have to overlook to accept Nahom01:27:38 Parallelism - Chiasmus argument01:41:57 Closing remarks

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Finding Joy After Mormonism w/ Sharon Beesley | Ep. 2079

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 03 Nov 2025 19:00:01 GMT

In this episode of Mormon Stories, John and Margi Dehlin sit down with Sharon Beesley, a therapist, writer and former Mormon “mommy blogger,” to explore the evolution of her faith journey in Mormonism.

Sharon was brought into the church as a child in Florida when her mother chose to convert. She discusses the warmth and community she found in her ward there, and the early testimonies that grounded her. Yet her story also weaves through deep loss with the death of her mother, and how that grief initially drew her closer to the Church.

Sharon attended BYU, got married, and set out to live the ideal Mormon lifestyle. Their family ultimately ended up in New York city, where Sharon began to find relationships with people outside the church. With this move, her worldview began to shift as she encountered new ideas about faith, feminism, and authenticity.

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-Growing up Mormon in Florida

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Feminism

This episode offers a gentle, wise, and grounding perspective for anyone navigating faith transitions, loss, or rediscovering joy beyond belief.

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Polygamy or Adultery? Fanny Alger & Joseph Smith - John Turner Pt. 20 | Ep. 2078

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 31 Oct 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Welcome to part 20 of our epic series on Dr. John G. Turner’s landmark biography, “Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.”

Things are really heating up as we enter the mid-1830s in the life of Joseph Smith, founder of the Latter-day Saint movement. This episode dives into one of the most controversial and debated episodes in early Mormon history –Joseph’s relationship with Fanny Alger, a young woman employed in the Smith household in Kirtland, Ohio in 1836.

Was it adultery? Was it an early form of plural marriage? Or was it something else entirely –a “scrape”?

Join us for Part 1 of Chapter 18, where we unpack Turner’s detailed treatment of this scandal, explore how it fractured relationships within the early church (especially between Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery), and trace how it shaped the theology of polygamy that would later emerge in Nauvoo.

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00:00:00 Introductions00:02:55 How do you pronounce Fanny Alger’s name?00:04:25 New headings to the Doctrine and Covenants00:09:53 The Book of Mormon caveat on polygamy and linking it to the Bible00:13:58 When Joseph Smith met Fanny and when the affair began00:15:35 What do we know about Fanny Alger?00:21:34 Had Joseph not received the keys for sealing in 1836?00:24:12 How does this scandal erupt?00:27:54 Why did it take two years for this all to come out?00:29:16 Levi Hancock background on sealing Joseph to Fanny Alger00:36:02 The nature of the relationship00:40:09 “Dirty nasty filthy affair" vs “scrape”00:45:49 Eliza R. Snow considered Fanny to be Joseph’s first wife00:47:29 Was Joseph Smith trying to justify his feelings for Fanny?00:51:55 Another possible interpretation01:00:08 What happens to Fanny?01:02:58 Fanny’s final testimony on the matter01:07:12 Apostles hear rumors that Joseph has committed adultery01:14:15 The reasons Kirtland collapsed01:19:19 Why this breach between Joseph and Oliver becomes irreparable01:21:44 How Joseph Smith got away with this?01:26:24 One thing that doesn’t seem to have happened is that no one asked Emma01:33:46 Does this make Joseph Smith a fraud?01:45:25 Closing Remarks

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Was Joseph Smith Credible? w/ Sandra Tanner - LDS Discussions 65 | Ep. 2077

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 29 Oct 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Sandra Tanner is back with us on LDS Discussions to conclude our conversation on three new church essays recently published by the LDS Church. In this episode, we’ll finish our coverage of the essay on polygamy and move on to the final essay, which addresses the character of Joseph Smith.

Topics include:

-Joseph’s failed prophecies

-Joseph’s treatment of Emma

-Joseph’s 21 criminal cases

Join us as we unpack these final issues and reflect on what they reveal about Joseph Smith and early church history.

00:00:00 Introduction00:05:32 What did Emma know about JS’s practice of Plural Marriage?00:12:26 If these were righteous marriages, why doesn't the church publicize who the plural wives are?00:27:38 Sharing clips from Julia’s channel - Eliza Snow and the gold watch00:33:24 Next Clip - Joseph’s treatment of Emma00:39:57 How did women experience plural marriage?00:53:45 How did plural marriage end in the church?01:01:34 Next Essay - Joseph Smith’s Character01:11:17 Church claims Joseph “recognized his weaknesses”01:16:15 Discussing Joseph’s failed prophecies01:19:45 What did Joseph’s contemporaries say about his character?01:22:55 Brad Wilcox clip01:26:16 Can a person with flaws still be a prophet?01:34:09 Russell M. Nelson clip01:49:02 If you’re offended by Joseph’s actions you’re not spiritually mature?02:00:05 Discussing Joseph’s 21 criminal cases02:19:27 Did Joseph pay his debts?02:24:24 Did Joseph exercise undue political power?02:34:49 Summarizing the essay on Joseph’s character02:45:11 How to make sense of the conflicting views of Joseph Smith according to the church03:06:44 What grade would we give these essays?03:08:10 Conclusion

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Why Young Women Are Leaving the Mormon Church - Caroline Barrow | Ep. 2076

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 27 Oct 2025 18:00:01 GMT

Caroline Barrow was raised in a typical Mormon household in Louisiana. While she was a faithful believer in the Church, she always had questions about certain teachings but was often encouraged to halt her critical thinking on these issues. She chose to attend BYU and serve a Mormon mission, but continued to be plagued by questions—particularly around polygamy and the treatment of women in the LDS faith. Caroline also found herself struggling with scrupulosity, perfectionism, and the many pressures placed on women in the Church.

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The Kirtland Temple Dedication Pentecost - John Turner Pt. 19 | Ep. 2075

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 24 Oct 2025 18:00:00 GMT

In part 19 of our deep-dive into Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet by Dr. John G. Turner, we explore the fascinating events surrounding the Kirtland Temple dedication (that took place in 1836) in Kirtland, Ohio.

This episode focuses on Chapter 17, examining key developments in early Latter-day Saint ritual practice –including solemn assemblies, washings and anointings, the washing of feet, and even ritual cleansings (in cinnamon whiskey!). We also discuss internal church conflicts, prophetic authority, spiritual manifestations, and the powerful endowment promises given to early Church leaders.

We also explore Joseph Smith’s institutional genius, visions and heavenly visitations, Hebrew studies and the Adamic language, early temple worship and spiritual ecstacy, and controversies and personal reflections from John Turner’s biography.

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00:00:00 Introduction00:03:44 Comment on the case of Lucina Elliott00:11:58 Launching into the conflict in Chapter 17 - William Smith00:18:08 Joshua and Joseph’s study of Hebrew00:30:20 Solemn Assembly in the Kirtland Temple00:33:16 What Joseph did in response to conflict - introduce rituals00:45:46 The origins of the washing and anointing part of the LDS endowment00:59:35 Powerful moment when the First Presidency confessed their sins01:04:34 Visions and the heavens being opened01:10:17 Visitations of Christ, Adam, Abraham, Michael, etc.01:15:35 Kirtland Temple Dedication01:30:08 The practice of speaking in tongues in the 1800s01:36:00 The use of wine during these rituals01:40:49 The washing of feet01:51:36 A vision of Jesus Christ standing at the pulpit in front of them02:08:48 How Dr. John G. Turner ended the chapter02:11:05 Final remarks

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Four (or Five) Types of Mormons? - Are LDS Church Members Secularizing? | Ep. 2074

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 23 Oct 2025 16:43:19 GMT

Join John Dehlin, Julie Hanks, Jana Spangler, and Beau Oyler (the Mormon Bridgebuilders) as we review a new analysis of LDS Church members by Alex Bass.

Links:

- Alex Bass's study

- SL Tribune Article

- Robert Kirby's 5 Types of Mormons

00:00:00 Introduction

00:06:15 Maddie Packer clip

00:11:29 Julie’s response to this clip

00:16:44 How social media plays into the problem - only sound bits are shared

00:23:52 Introducing Alex Bass

00:26:05 Alex’s “Mormon Typology Report”

00:28:23 How Alex conducted this survey

00:29:49 The Four Types of Mormons

00:32:27 First type: “devout believers"

00:33:47 Second typer: “The adaptive believers”

00:43:32 Is Mormon Orthodoxy in decline?

00:52:33 Third Type: “The Inbetweeners”

00:55:42 Fourth Type: “Cultural Mormons”

01:12:24 Graph of how the groups are changing over time

01:15:27 Saying goodbye and thank you to Alex

01:16:15 Ben Park’s summary of this study

01:19:14 Applications to BYU are declining

01:30:33 LDS is the highest republican group

01:37:17 Half of mormons now support same-sex marriage

01:54:35 Mayci Nealey (SLOMW) clip

01:54:42 Welcoming Patrick Mason to the panel

02:17:00 Jana on the "Hallmarks of developmental psychology”

02:28:43 How Mormon Stories has tried to encourage people to stay in the church

02:3214 The three types of Mormons who are still attending church

02:39:30 How wards have different “personalities”

02:58:21 Closing thoughts

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The Mormon Church Saved My Life - Keira Shae | Ep. 2073

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 20 Oct 2025 17:28:06 GMT

Today we welcome to the podcast Keira Shae, who joins us to share her story of converting to the LDS Church as a teenager while growing up in an abusive home.

Living in Utah, Keira was surrounded by Mormons and idealized them as a contrast to her tumultuous home life. Around the age of fifteen, she went to live with a foster family who required her to follow church guidelines very rigidly. At the time, however, this structured lifestyle was a welcome change from her chaotic upbringing.

After marrying and starting a family with a return missionary, Keira did her best to live up to the expectations of being the “perfect” Mormon wife and mother. Over time, though, she found herself struggling with perfectionism, scrupulosity, and the process of discovering her bisexuality.

Join us to hear how Keira confronted these challenges and where she stands with the Mormon Church today.

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Family Feud & Scandal in Early Mormonism - John Turner pt. 18 | Ep. 2072

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 17 Oct 2025 12:00:00 GMT

Welcome back to Part 18 of our Joseph Smith Podcast series, where we continue our in-depth exploration of Dr. John Turner’s groundbreaking biography, Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.

In this episode, we dive into parts of Chapter 16 and 17 –two of the most dramatic and revealing sections yet. We cover the explosive sibling feud between Joseph Smith and his brother William, explore the first child abuse scandal in 1835, and trace Joseph’s evolving leadership and spiritual promises as the Restoration movement matures.

From the aftermath of Zion’s Camp and early church discipline to visions of divine power and the early roots of temple ritual, these chapters reveal a prophet under pressure –and a family and faith community in turmoil. This is an episode you won’t want to miss!

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LDS Church Announces New Prophet and 1st Presidency - Dallin Oaks, Henry Eyring, Todd Christofferson | Ep. 2071

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 15 Oct 2025 14:42:46 GMT

Today, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints announced a new Prophet and First Presidency. Following the passing of President Russell M. Nelson, senior apostle Dallin H. Oaks has been called as the next Prophet and President of the Church, with Henry B. Eyring and D. Todd Christofferson as his counselors.

In this livestream reaction episode, we discuss the LDS system of prophetic succession (seniority-based), why these counselors choices are both expected AND surprising, who might fill the new vacancy in the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, the health and age concerns surrounding the new leadership, and reactions to the official Church livestream, press conference and speeches given. We also explore the broader implications of the Church –including generational leadership, LGBTQ issues, and possible future apostolic calls.

Join us as we watch and react live to the LDS announcement of the new First Presidency.

The original broadcast can be viewed here.

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An African (Kenya) Mormon Story - Dr. Joe Ngatia | Ep. 2070

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 14 Oct 2025 18:00:01 GMT

In this powerful and first-ever interview with a Latter-day Saint convert from Kenya, we explore the remarkable faith journey of Dr. Joe Ngatia (pronounced “ga-tia”). Africa has become one of the fastest growing regions for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, yet Joe’s story reveals the complexities behind that growth – from faith and miracles to history, race, and resilience.

Joe shares his encounter with the missionaries and how his family first reacted having only heard rumors about “Mormons being devil worshippers.” His story moves from Nairobi to Rexburg, Idaho, BYU-Provo, and on to medical school in Florida, chronicling his faith, struggles with racism in America, and developing cracks in his testimony. Joe reflects on questions of revelation, truth, miracles, and identity – asking what it means to remain true to one’s own spiritual experiences while confronting painful history?

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Origins of the Book of Abraham - John Turner pt. 17 | Ep. 2069

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 09 Oct 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Welcome back to Part 17 of our Joseph Smith Podcast series covering Dr. John Turner’s new biography on Joseph Smith titled: Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.

In this episode, we begin part one of our deep dive into the Book of Abraham –a controversial and fascinating text within Latter-day Saint history. We’ll trace its origins in 1835 Kirtland, explore Joseph Smith’s acquisition of Egyptian papyri and mummies, and discuss the Egyptomania of the time that fueled public curiosity.

With guest scholar Dr. John Turner, we set the stage for how the Book of Abraham fits into the broader story of Mormonism, how Joseph Smith interpreted the papyri, and why questions of translation, sincerity, and inspiration still matter today. This is just the beginning of our discussion –the Nauvoo period will follow in later chapters!

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Are "Anti-Mormons" or Mark Driscoll Responsible for Charlie Kirk & Michigan LDS Killings? | Ep. 2068

Dr. John Dehlin — Sun, 05 Oct 2025 18:00:00 GMT

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) has been in the news lately in connection with the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the murderous attack on an LDS chapel in Michigan. As Americans have rushed to find the "cause" of these attacks, several groups have been blamed including: Latter-day Saints, Political Conservatives/Republicans, Political Liberals/Democrats, Evangelical Christians, and Ex-Mormon influencers. Today we will discuss many of these theories with an amazing panel: Julie de Azevedo Hanks, Bishop Beau Oyler, Jana Spangler, and John Dehlin.

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Anti-Mormonism and Kirtland Blessings - John Turner Pt. 16 | Ep. 2067

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 03 Oct 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Welcome back to part 16 of our Joseph Smith Podcast with Dr. John G. Turner! In this episode, we cover chapter fifteen of John Turner’s new book titled “Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet” which covers 1834-1835 in Kirtland, Ohio and parts of Missouri. We discuss the rise of patriarchal blessings, the creation of new church offices –like the Twelve and the Seventy. We also discuss the challenges posed by critics like E. D. Howe and his problematic book published in 1834. These years were formative for Joseph Smith and the Latter-day Saint movement.

We explore such topics as:

-The publication of E. D. Howe’s Mormonism Unveiled

-The 1835 Doctrine and Covenants (and the Lectures on Faith)

-The creation of the Quorum of the Twelve and the Seventy

-The beginning of the Law of Adoption

-How Joseph Smith used blessings and promises to help people follow him

Did this first anti-Mormon publication get under Joseph Smith’s skin? What power did early church members believe they were receiving through blessings and ordinances? How did Joseph Smith transform crises into opportunities to strengthen his movement? Join us as we seek to answer each of these questions!

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Escaping Scientology - Claire & Marc Headley Pt. 2 | Ep. 2066

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 25 Sep 2025 18:00:00 GMT

In Part Two of our conversation with Claire and Marc Headley, we dive into the details of how they finally escaped the Sea Organization and the events that led up to that decision. We will also discuss other topics such as the FBI's investigation into Scientology, why they have spoken out against the church since leaving, and how Scientology responds to critics.

Claire and Marc also open up about their ongoing mission to help others break free, including their work with the Michael J. Rinder Aftermath Foundation, which provides resources and support for those leaving Scientology.

You will not want to miss this captivating story of escape from a very dangerous organization.

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Born into Scientology - Claire & Marc Headley Pt. 1 | Ep. 2065

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 22 Sep 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Prepare yourself for an EPIC non-Mormon story! This week we are introducing Claire and Marc Headley, who were born into the Church of Scientology and have a remarkable escape story that we are excited to share with you.

Both Claire and Marc were members of the Sea Organization within Scientology, where the church’s elite-level leaders work and are required to sign a billion-year contract of servitude. During their time there, both worked closely with David Miscavige, the current leader of Scientology, and witnessed his brutality firsthand.

In this first part, Claire and Marc discuss the foundations of Scientology, what it was like to be raised in it, and how they came to join the Sea Org. They also share insider information on high-profile members such as Tom Cruise and John Travolta, and even address the mystery of what happened to Shelly Miscavige.

Then, join us on Wednesday for part two of this interview, where they share their incredible story of escaping the Sea Org and talk about their work with the Mike Rinder Aftermath Foundation.

So strap in and enjoy this stranger-than-fiction story!

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Joseph Smith and Zion’s Camp - Disastrous or Inspirational? John Turner Pt. 15 | Ep. 2064

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 19 Sep 2025 18:00:00 GMT

We are back again with Dr. John Turner in part 15 of the Joseph Smith Podcast, covering his new book “Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.” Join us as we explore the dramatic events of 1834 when Joseph Smith led Zion’s Camp, from Kirtland, Ohio to Clay County, Missouri. This episode dives deep into the historical and spiritual implications of Zion’s Camp –including Joseph Smith’s controversial prophecies, the hardships faced by the Saints as refugees, the question of prophetic failure, and the lasting theological impact on the Latter-day Saint movement.

Topics covered today include:

-The story of Zelph the White Lamanite

-Joseph Smith’s dog “Major”

-The thunderstorm that may have saved Zion’s Camp

-The tension between Governor Dunclan and Joseph Smith

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New Church Essays on Translation and Polygamy - LDS Discussions w/ Sandra Tanner | Ep. 2063

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 17 Sep 2025 18:00:00 GMT

We are thrilled to have Sandra Tanner as a guest on our LDS Discussions series this week! Along with John, Julia, and Nemo, Sandra is here to offer commentary on three new essays recently released by the LDS Church, addressing the issues of Book of Mormon translation, polygamy, and Joseph Smith’s character.

In part one of this two-part episode, we will focus on Joseph Smith’s “translation” of the Book of Mormon and on polygamy.

Among the topics we’ll cover:

-“Translation” vs. “Revelation”

-Joseph’s use of the seer stones

-What became of the Eight Witnesses

-The polygamy manifestos

-The Nauvoo Expositor

You won’t want to miss this fascinating conversation with the one and only Sandra Tanner, as we dissect the essays point by point and offer a unique perspective on these issues.

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I Declined My Mormon Mission Call - Benson Lawson | Ep. 2062

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 15 Sep 2025 18:00:00 GMT

This week, we’re sitting down with Benson Lawson, who made the bold decision to decline his Mormon mission call. In the LDS community, serving a mission is often seen as non-negotiable—an expectation placed on nearly every young man. For those who choose differently, the backlash can be overwhelming.

Benson is bravely sharing his story with us, opening up about the pressure, the stigma, and why a mission wasn’t the right path for him.

Join us as we explore the reasons why a mission is not right for everyone, and what affect this choice can have on a Mormon man in particular.

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CES Letter v. The Book of Mormon pt. 2 - LDS Discussions | Ep. 2061

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 18:00:00 GMT

We are back today for part two of our examination of the CES Letter vs. the Book of Mormon. The CES Letter is perhaps one of the most influential documents in Mormon studies, and for years the LDS Church has criticized it and its author, Jeremy Runnells. Is this a fair treatment by the Church, or are Jeremy's questions on church doctrine valid?

In this series, we are going point by point through the questions raised in the CES Letter to discuss how they line up with the Book of Mormon, as well as the responses the Church has provided thus far.

Some of the questions we’ll cover include:

-Why is there no archaeological evidence for the Book of Mormon?

-Where did the events of the Book of Mormon actually take place?

-Why does the Book of Mormon share so many similarities with other books from Joseph Smith’s time?

-Does the Book of Mormon reflect a Trinitarian view of God?

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Chess Champion Raised in a Cult: Danny Rensch's Dark Squares | Ep. 2060

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 09 Sep 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Today we are very excited to welcome Danny Rensch to the podcast! Lovers of chess may know Danny as an international chess champion and co-founder of Chess.com—but did you know he was also raised in a cult?

In this interview, Danny discusses the release of his new book, Dark Squares: How Chess Saved My Life, which tells the story of his upbringing in the Church of Immortal Consciousness. Groomed by the cult’s leader, Steven Camp, to become a chess grandmaster, Danny was separated from his family at a young age and taught that his ultimate purpose in life was to bring awareness to the religion through chess.

Join us to learn more about:

-The Church of Immortal Consciousness, their beliefs, and its founders

-Danny’s training with alcoholic chess master Igor Ivanov

-Danny’s struggles with substances and addiction, and how these were fostered by “the collective”

-Danny’s career as a chess master and how it ultimately led him to co-found Chess.com

Danny Rensch’s book Dark Squares: How Chess Saved My Life is out now! Let’s help him get on the bestseller list by purchasing the book here.

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Mob Violence Against (and by?) Mormons in Missouri - John Turner pt. 14 | Ep. 2059

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 05 Sep 2025 18:00:00 GMT

We are here today with part fourteen of our Joseph Smith: The Podcast series with Dr. John Turner. Today we are continuing on with chapter thirteen of his new book “Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.” The chapter is titled “Zion is Fled” and covers the years 1883-1834 in Missouri. In this episode we explore one of the most turbulent periods in early Mormon history. We dive into the Missouri conflict of the 1830s, the Saints’ rising tensions with their neighbors, and the violent clashes that shaped both Mormon identity and leadership.

We also discuss:

-The growing resentment of Non-Mormons

-The destruction of a Mormon printing press by mob violence

-Slavery in Missouri and how that related to the Saints

-Doctor Philastus Hurlbut affidavits

-The Solomon Spaulding Manuscript

-The 1833 Meteor shower

-How persecution shaped and influenced the Saints’ identity

This conversation wrestles with big questions: Why did violence erupt? How did Joseph Smith and the Saints respond to failed prophecies? And what do these early struggles reveal about faith, leadership, and survival in a hostile America?

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An Inconvenient Faith & Progressive Mormonism w/ Julie Hanks, Jana Spangler & Beau Oyler | Ep. 2058

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 04 Sep 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Recently a documentary series entitled "An Inconvenient Faith" appeared on YouTube, produced by Robert Reynolds and Jim Bennett (among others). The documentary seeks to promote progressive Mormonism within LDS church membership. The documentary is groundbreaking in the sense that it includes both Ex-Mormons (e.g. Jeremy Runnells, Sandra Tanner, John Dehlin, Bill Reel) and faithful Mormon scholars (e.g. Richard Bushman, Terryl & Fiona Givens, Patrick Mason). The series has also received a considerable amount of excitement and critique on the Internet.

Please join Mormon Stories for a livestream as a panel (John Dehlin, Bishop Beau Oyler, Julie Hanks, and Jana Spangler) react to the documentary. We welcome your participation as well!

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Independent Fundamentalist Baptists (IFB) - Camille Lewis & Bob Jones University | Ep. 2057

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 02 Sep 2025 18:00:00 GMT

This week we continue our series of non-Mormon stories with Camille Lewis. Raised as an Independent Fundamental Baptist, Camille attended and later taught at Bob Jones University—an Evangelical college in Greenville, NC, known for its strict rules and staunch conservatism. The university also has a troubling history of discrimination, including once forbidding interracial dating. While serving as a professor at BJU, Camille was reprimanded for refusing to allow the school’s daycare to physically discipline her children, and was ultimately asked to resign.

Join us as we explore the teachings of Evangelicalism, the legacy of Bob Jones University and its founders, and where Camille stands in her faith today.

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Joseph Smith's School of the Prophets - John Turner pt. 13 | Ep. 2056

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 29 Aug 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Welcome to another episode with Dr. John Turner as we cover his new book “Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.” Today we are covering chapter thirteen titled “Zion is Fled” that covers 1833-1834 in Kirtland, Ohio.

We answer important questions like: What is the importance of scriptures and what does that mean for this religious movement? Is Joseph Smith credible as a prophet, seer, and revelator? Even the Mormon church today is calling the Book of Mormon a “revelation” not a translation. Is the Book of Mormon a work of genius or is it from God?

We also cover topics such as the School of the Prophets, how the Word of Wisdom came to be and Joseph Smith’s vision of the grand Zion Community in Independence, Missouri.

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The Making of "Ruby & Jodi: A Cult of Sin & Influence" | Ep. 2055

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 28 Aug 2025 21:00:00 GMT

We are super excited to announce that a new docuseries entitled "Ruby & Jodi: A Cult of Sin and Influence" is set to be released on September 1st and 2nd on Investigation Discovery and HBO Max. This four part series provides unparalleled context behind the Ruby Franke / 8 Passengers / Jodi Hildebrandt saga.

Several Ex-Mormon influencers were included in the series including Lauren and Dr. John Mathias (Hidden True Crime), Jordan and McKay Forsyth, Dr. Julie De Azevedo, and Natasha Helfer. Former Mormon Stories Podcast interviewees Jessi Hildebrant and Adam Paul Steed.

In this panel, John Dehlin will interview several of the creators of the series including Olivia Crist, Rachel Bozich, and Lauren Andrade.

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Mormon Seminary Teacher Resigned LAST WEEK & Tells Us Why - Riley Davis | Ep. 2054

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 25 Aug 2025 18:00:01 GMT

Today we are continuing our series of interviews with LDS Church Education System employees. Today’s guest is extra special, as he resigned from his seminary teaching position just days before the filming of this episode!

Riley Davis was born into the church and grew up in a very traditional Mormon family in Utah. As the son of an LDS bishop, Riley struggled with depression due to religious scrupulosity in his youth, but found healing and growth through church youth programs like the Boy Scouts of America—an experience that inspired him to continue working with youth for the rest of his life. After serving a mission in Buenos Aires, Riley eventually became a math and science teacher but was soon presented with an opportunity to work for CES as an LDS seminary teacher.

Riley also shares with John insights into the current state of the CES program and where it may be headed in the future.

Content Warning: This episode discusses self-harm. Please listen with care.

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Did Joseph Smith Speak in Tongues? - John Turner Pt. 12 | Ep. 2053

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 22 Aug 2025 18:00:00 GMT

We are back with Chapter Twelve of John Turner’s new book “Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.” Today we are covering Chapter Twelve which is titled: “Olive Leaves” that covers the years 1832-1833 in Kirtland, Ohio.

We tackle topics like the excommunication of Jesse Gause, one of the first General Authorities and other conflicts between the Mormon leaders.

We also answer questions like...

-Was the idea of the different priesthoods original to Joseph Smith?

-Did Joseph Smith speak in tongues?

-Did Joseph Smith actually predict the Civil War?

-Is the School of the Prophets unique and where did the Solemn Assembly come from?

You won’t want to miss this important installment of the Joseph Smith Podcast!

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Did Book of Mormon Lamanites Exist? - Ganesh Cherian | Ep. 2052

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 20 Aug 2025 14:10:01 GMT

Join us live today as we welcome back Ganesh Cherian who is here to discuss the aspects of the Book of Mormon that clearly show its 19th century origins. What influences did Joseph Smith use to write the Book of Mormon? Do unique aspects of his life show up in the text?

From American patriotism and Native American policy to slippery treasure and evolving doctrines, this deep dive challenges the traditional narrative that the Book of Mormon is an ancient text. Based on Ganesh’s new book “Joseph Smith: The Architect of Mormonism” we answer the question: Did Book of Mormon Lamanites Exist?

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Mormon Church Alienated Me From My Family In India - Sirisha Shumway | Ep. 2051

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 18 Aug 2025 18:00:01 GMT

We are very excited this week to release a first-of-its-kind Mormon Stories episode! Born and raised in Hyderabad, India, Sirisha Shumway converted to Mormonism at the age of 14, against the wishes of her family. She quickly became a very devout member of her LDS community, served a mission, and even worked for the church as a translator.

After moving to the US to completer her education, Sirisha faced increasing pressure to marry and raise a family in the LDS faith. But when her husband began questioning church history, she embarked on her own faith crisis, uncovering disturbing truths about Joseph Smith, polygamy, and other deceptions about church history.

Topics include:

-Sirisha's upbringing in India

-Structure of the LDS church in India

-Church interfetance in family relationships

-And the long-lasting impact of high-demand religions on personal identity

We are grateful to Sirisha for sharing her story with us, and hope you enjoy this very unique episode.

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The Three Degrees of Glory in Mormon Heaven - John Turner Pt. 11 | Ep. 2050

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 15 Aug 2025 18:00:01 GMT

We are back again with historian Dr. John Turner to explore Chapter Eleven of his new book Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet. The chapter is titled “Pure Language” and covers the years 1831-1832 in Kirtland, Ohio. Turner discusses the stories of healing on the part of Joseph Smith, the controversy surrounding the publishing of the Book of Commandments as well as some of the members questioning Joseph Smith’s revelations. Dr. Turner also discusses Joseph Smith’s revelation on the three degrees of heaven and the possible connections to Emanual Swedenborg (as well as the fact that Hitler is in Mormon heaven!)

We also tackle some big questions:

-Is John Turner’s book just another hagiography idealizing his subject?

-Why did Alexander Campbell oppose Mormonism so vehemently?

-What are we to make of these stories of healing?

-Was the tar and feathering of Joseph Smith having to do with sexual impropriety?

You won’t want to miss this important episode in the Joseph Smith Podcast series!

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Mormon on my Own Terms - Olivia Calvert | Ep. 2049

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 11 Aug 2025 18:00:01 GMT

What happens when a Mormon woman questions her faith—but doesn’t walk away entirely? In this week's interview, Olivia Calvert shares her journey of embracing doubts and shifts in belief. Choosing to live Mormonism in her own way, Olivia’s path leads her to what she calls “casual discipleship.” While we have explored stories like this before from men in the church, it is rare for an LDS woman to open up about her faith in this way.

Topics include:

-Purity culture

-Faith crises

-Church history

-Choosing to stay Mormon—on your own terms.

If you’ve ever felt like you don’t quite fit the Mormon mold, this story might be exactly what you need to hear. Join us as we talk about the many ways people are navigating Mormonism today.

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Early Mormon Missionary Polygamy with Native Americans? - John Turner Pt. 10 | Ep. 2048

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 08 Aug 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Welcome to part ten of the Joseph Smith Podcast! We welcome back Dr. John Turner who is here to discuss chapter ten of his new book Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet. Chapter ten covers the 1832 time frame in Independence, Missouri.

Turner answers questions like: Where did Joseph Smith get the idea of a New Jerusalem? Where did Joseph Smith get the idea of temples? Did Joseph Smith receive a revelation that early Mormon missionaries should live polygay among the Native Americans? Other topics discussed are how the church added three new pages to the Gospel Topics Essay specifically discussing Joseph Smith’s lived polygamy and his overall character.

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The Mormon Church Made Me Give Up My Baby w/ Myndee Tollefson | Ep. 2047

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 04 Aug 2025 18:42:37 GMT

Join us today for a unique Mormon Stories episode that is the first of its kind. Myndee Tollefson was born in Bountiful, Utah to an orthodox Mormon family. At just 19, she became pregnant and, feeling immense pressure from the Church and her family, gave her baby up for adoption through LDS Family Services—only to later discover that her child's life in the adoptive family was not what the Church promised.

Topics include:

-Toxicity of purity culture

-Unplanned pregnancy in Mormonism

-Harsh backlash from her family and LDS community

-Adoption within the LDS Family services program

-The church's role in facilitating and encouraging adoption

-Being a "birth mom"

-Troubled teen culture within Mormonism

Her story sheds light on the emotional and spiritual costs of institutional coercion, and the healing that comes with breaking free from this control.

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Miracles, Demons & the United Order in Joseph Smith’s Kirtland - John Turner Pt. 9 | Ep. 2046

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 01 Aug 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Welcome to another episode with Dr. John Turner! Today we are covering Chapter Nine of his new book “Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet." Chapter nine is titled “Flying High” and covers the year 1831 which mostly took place in Kirtland, Ohio for Joseph Smith and the early Saints.

Topics include:

-Comments from listeners on this podcast series

-Why Joseph Smith didn’t preach from the Book of Mormon

-Early criticism of the Book of Mormon

-Demonic possessions and miracles

-The United Order

-Missionaries teaching the Lamanites

Non-Mormon historian, John Turner, approaches these topics in refreshing and informed ways. You won’t want to miss this episode!

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The Rise and Fall of Sunstone Magazine - Elbert Peck (re-broadcast) | Ep. 2045

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 30 Jul 2025 20:00:00 GMT

Join us today as we resurface another classic Mormon Stories episode! Originally filmed in 2007, this interview is with Elbert Peck who was the editor of Sunstone Magazine from 1986-2001.

Topics will include:

-His early years in Washington D.C.

-His time at BYU with the Seventh East Press publication

-What led to him taking over Sunstone Magazine

-Interactions with other key Sunstone members

-Events leading up to the September Six excommunications of 1993

-The decline of Sunstone publications

We hope you enjoy the re-broadcast of this important interview, and look forward to seeing all of you at the 50th anniversary Sunstone Symposium this weekend! (July 31st - August 1st)

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Baptized in Utah to Fit In! - Gabrielle Zelaya | Ep. 2044

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 28 Jul 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Join us today for a unique Mormon Stories episode! Gabriella Zelaya shares her story of growing up amidst Mormon culture in Farmington, Utah as a non-member. Surrounded by an LDS-dominated community and extended family, Gabby navigated social pressure, exclusion, and judgment by the members that surrounded her.

From feeling like an outsider in school to eventually converting to Mormonism as a teenager for a sense of belonging, Gabby opens up about the emotional toll of purity culture, “love bombing,” and the struggle to find self-worth. She recounts her journey through mental health challenges, her eventual disaffection from the Church, and the healing work she’s done to break cycles of shame and rebuild her life on her own terms.

Topics Include:

-Growing up non-Mormon in a Mormon world

-Conversion for community and survival

-Love bombing and disillusionment

-Breaking free and healing from trauma

Join us for this raw and inspiring conversation.

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Joseph Smith Prepares Church for Second Coming of Jesus - John Turner Pt. 8 | Ep. 2043

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 24 Jul 2025 18:00:00 GMT

In this episode, we dive into Chapter Eight of Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet by John G. Turner. The chapter is titled “Enoch” which focuses on the fall of 1830 through the move to Kirtland, Ohio in 1831. We explore major challenges to Joseph Smith’s authority, including Hiram Page’s seer stone revelations and Oliver Cowdery’s pushback on church governance. Why did Joseph stop using a seer stone? What does it mean when revelations clash?

We also discuss:

-The origins of the concept of Zion

-Apocalyptic expectations, blood moons, and the Second Coming

-The influence of the Book of Enoch and Joseph’s expanding biblical vision

-Missionary work among Native Americans and the designation of Jackson County as the New Jerusalem

-Sidney Rigdon’s introduction and influence, including debates about his possible prior contact with Joseph Smith

-The emotional and financial sacrifices demanded of early followers—and what Joseph himself was giving up (or not)

With theological innovation, power struggles, failed prophecies, and spiritual fervor, this chapter reveals the complexity of Joseph Smith's evolving leadership. Join us for a thought-provoking discussion that considers both historical context and human motivations.

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A Croatia & Slovenia Mormon Excommunication Story w/ Sara and Mitja Lakner Bevc | Ep. 2042

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 21 Jul 2025 18:28:03 GMT

What happens when faith, culture, and conscience collide?

In this gripping full-length interview, Sara (American) and Mitja (Slovenian) share their deeply personal Mormon journeys—from conversion, missions, marriage, and cultural clashes to faith crises, public dissent in Utah church meetings, and ultimately, excommunication.

With raw honesty, they open up about the emotional toll of leaving the LDS Church, the pressure to conform, navigating belief in a mixed-faith marriage, and the high cost of asking difficult questions. Featuring moments of courage, heartbreak, and awakening, this episode explores what it means to choose integrity over silence.

Key Moments Include:

-Serving a missions in Croatia

-Struggles with identity, marriage, and belief

-Mitja’s public opposition in sacrament meeting

-Facing church discipline and excommunication

-Sara’s emotional departure from the LDS Church

A powerful story of love, loss, disruption—and starting over.

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Evil Changed Me: Lauren Matthias on True Crime Journalism and Her Mormon Faith—Pt. 2 | Episode 2041

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 16 Jul 2025 18:00:00 GMT

In this intimate follow-up episode, journalist Lauren continues her powerful story—this time focusing on her path from reporter to advocate, wife, and co-founder of Hidden True Crime. Lauren shares the deeply personal journey that brought her to John Matthias, their relationship, marriage, and parenting as a mixed-faith couple—all while navigating the high-stakes world of reporting on religious extremism and the Lori Vallow Daybell case.

She reflects on pivotal moments in Mormonism, including the excommunication of progressive voices, the Church’s stance on same-sex marriage, and the Ordain Women movement. As her career unfolds, Lauren breaks major stories from inside Mormon and FLDS communities, reporting from Hildale, Utah, and uncovering secrets in St. George.

Her life is upended again by the Daybell case, which becomes the catalyst for launching Hidden True Crime. Balancing her professional calling with profound personal loss—her brother’s accident and coma—Lauren makes the gut-wrenching decision to attend Lori Vallow Daybell’s trial anyway.

This episode is a moving reflection on belief, justice, trauma, love, and the power of storytelling to make sense of chaos.

From breaking the Daybell story to building a platform

A deeply personal account of faith, loss, and love

Includes exclusive insight into Chad Daybell’s patriarchal blessing and courtroom revelations

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Hidden True Crime's Lauren Matthias Pt. 1 - Early Years and Journalism Career | Ep. 2040

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 14 Jul 2025 18:00:00 GMT

In this powerful and emotional episode, journalist Lauren tells her Mormon story publicly for the first time. Known for covering others’ experiences—including the high-profile Lori Vallow Daybell trial—Lauren now opens up about her own journey through faith, trauma, resilience, and healing.

She shares her upbringing in the LDS Church, the influence of her legally blind father, and her early fears around death that led to a fascination with true crime. Lauren details her mission to Ohio, her shock upon learning about polygamy, and her love for investigative storytelling.

The story takes deeply personal turns as she opens up about being diagnosed with MS, her father’s arrest and trial, her own struggles with mental health, sexual assault, marriage trauma, and the challenges of being a Mormon woman in journalism.

From painful experiences to moments of empowerment in her career and community, Lauren’s account is raw, inspiring, and unflinchingly honest.

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Joseph Smith's Early Opposition & Forgotten Critics - John Turner Pt. 7 | Ep. 2039

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 10 Jul 2025 18:15:46 GMT

In this episode, we dive into Chapter Seven of Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet by John G. Turner. The chapter is titled “Moses” and covers the 1830 period and the transition from New York to Kirtland, Ohio. We explore early public criticism of Joseph Smith by figures like Abner Cole, the satirical Book of Pukei, and Luman Walters' possible influence. We also examine Joseph’s efforts to sell the copyright of the Book of Mormon in Canada, what that reveals about his intentions, and the revelation that supposedly authorized it.

We discuss how Joseph’s financial motives, revelations, and treatment of Martin Harris raise important questions, and consider the book's early lack of demand—even as Joseph continued to pivot and adapt. From legal troubles and claims of treasure seeking, to his revisions of the Bible and the rise of anti-Masonry, this episode looks at how Joseph’s evolving theology and personal ambitions shaped early Mormonism.

We also tackle difficult questions around gender and divine authority: Why were no women, including Emma Smith, called as witnesses to the golden plates? What does Emma's role—and her sacrifices—say about the story Joseph told?

This is a wide-ranging and thought-provoking installment that challenges the traditional narrative while offering rich historical context.

Topics Include:

-Abner Cole’s criticisms & Book of Pukei

-Attempt to sell the Book of Mormon copyright in Canada

-Revelations and motives: divine or self-serving?

-Joseph’s treatment of Emma & women’s roles

-Legal issues & treasure seeking

-Bible revisions, anti-Masonry, and theology

-Emma’s loyalty and legacy

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My Mormon Bishop Dad was Excommunicated for Polygamy - Laurel Hell | Ep. 2038

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 07 Jul 2025 20:14:10 GMT

In this raw and emotional deep-dive, Laurel shares her powerful story of growing up in an extremely orthodox Mormon household as the youngest of eight children. From uncovering her Danish-Mormon ancestry to dealing with abuse, purity culture, and her father's secret polygamist "revelation" that led to his excommunication, Laurel reflects on how early trauma, sexual repression, and church doctrine shaped her identity.She opens up about her mission to Poland, her battle with anxiety, shame, and identity within the church, and how the toxic dynamics of Mormon Young Single Adult (YSA) culture pushed her to the edge. Ultimately, Laurel's journey of deconstruction—triggered by political events, therapy, and research into church history—leads her to reclaim her sexuality, leave the church, and finally begin to heal.Topics include: abuse, purity culture, sexual trauma, polygamy, depression, and suicidal ideation. Viewer discretion advised.___________________

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Book of Mormon: Historical or 19th Century Text? - John Turner Pt. 6 | Ep. 2037

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 03 Jul 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Welcome back to part six of the Joseph Smith Podcast where we are covering Dr. John Turner’s new book “Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.” Today we are diving into Chapter Six titled “A Choice Seer” which continues to discuss the 1829 period in Palmyra, New York. This episode explores the controversies surrounding the Book of Mormon—its origins, witnesses, and textual issues. We examine the arguments for and against its authenticity, its biblical parallels, and Joseph Smith’s role as translator vs. author.

Topics include:

-Were the witnesses in on a scam?

-Historicity of the Book of Mormon

-Anachronisms and biblical borrowings

-Criticism from early figures like Alexander Campbell

-Literary structures like chiasmus

-Theology, archeology, and universalism

-Is the Book of Mormon scripture?

A thoughtful, critical, and respectful look at how scholars and believers wrestle with faith, history, and evidence.

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Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle and Liquid Snake Voice Actor Cam Clarke | Ep. 2036

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 30 Jun 2025 18:00:00 GMT

In this powerful and emotional interview, voice actor Cam Clarke (known for iconic roles in animation and video games) shares his deeply personal journey growing up in a famous Mormon-Hollywood family. From his early years navigating faith, family expectations, and same-sex attraction, to starring in Saturday’s Warrior and undergoing electroshock therapy at BYU, Cam opens up about the emotional toll of trying to reconcile his identity with his religion.

He discusses coming out, surviving the AIDS crisis, finding healing through art, and ultimately resigning from the LDS Church. Cam’s story is raw, heartfelt, and inspiring—a testament to resilience, authenticity, and the power of self-love.

Topics include:

Growing up Mormon in a showbiz family
Struggles with sexuality and faith
Saturday’s Warrior and mission life
Conversion therapy and coming out
Voice acting career and ComicCon life
Reflections on love, loss, and legacy

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CES Letter vs Book of Mormon | LDS Discussions 63 | Ep. 2035

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 26 Jun 2025 18:00:00 GMT

In this episode, we dive deep into the attacks on the CES Letter and its author, Jeremy Runnells, unpacking why apologetic responses—no matter how weak—are often accepted by believing members. This is the first in a multi-part series analyzing the LDS Discussions CES Letter project.We tackle critical questions about the Book of Mormon, including:-Why does it contain errors from the 1769 King James Bible?-What about the italicized words from the KJV showing up in the text?-Why doesn’t the Book of Mormon match Joseph Smith’s own translation of the Bible?-What does DNA evidence say about the Book of Mormon narrative?-And how do apologists handle the serious anachronisms in the text?Along the way, we explore FAIR Mormon’s increasingly irrelevant defenses, the hidden Gospel Topics Essays, and shifting church narratives.This is an essential deep-dive for anyone curious about Mormonism’s truth claims, historical issues, and the apologetics surrounding them.Join the conversation and subscribe for future episodes in this CES Letter series.

The Man Behind the CES Letter - Jeremy Runnells (Rebroadcast) | Ep. 2033

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 23 Jun 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Join us today as we rebroadcast the story of the man behind the famous CES Letter: Jeremy Runnells.In February 2012, Jeremy Runnels experienced a crisis of faith, which subsequently led to a faith transition in the summer of 2012. In the spring of 2013, Jeremy was approached and asked by a Church Education System (CES) Director to share his concerns and questions about the LDS Church’s origins, history, and current practices. In response, Jeremy wrote what later became publicly known as Letter to a CES Director.Letter to a CES Director very quickly went viral on the internet. The CES Director responded that he read the “very well written” letter and that he would provide Jeremy with a response. No response ever came.From then on, hundreds of Mormons have stumbled across the CES Letter and it has caused them to question their faith. Other believing sites have attacked Jeremy Runnells over the years, saying that he was insincere or that he never believed the church was true. His story clears up all doubt that he was a true-believing Mormon.___________________

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Did the Book of Mormon Witnesses Really See Golden Plates? - John Turner Part 5 | Ep. 2033

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:30:49 GMT

In this episode, we continue our in-depth series with historian John G. Turner, author of Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet. Continuing with chapter five of his book which takes place in 1829 in Palmyra, New York, we take a deep dive into the claims of the Three and Eight Witnesses to the golden plates. Did they actually see physical plates—or was it a visionary experience?

We explore the early translation period, the role of the Whitmer family, the revelations guiding Joseph Smith, and the complicated testimonies of Martin Harris, Oliver Cowdery, and David Whitmer. Were the golden plates material objects, or were they seen with "spiritual eyes"? We also discuss later accounts, contradictions, and the ongoing debate among scholars and believers.

Highlights:

-The experiences of the Three and Eight Witnesses

-Spiritual vs. physical claims of the plates

-Testimonies, contradictions, and controversies

-What happened to the plates—and the witnesses—afterward

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LDS Prophet John Taylor’s 1886 Revelation Created Mormon Fundamentalism! | Ep. 2032

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 16 Jun 2025 21:12:00 GMT

Shocking new breaking news!!!! Did you know that LDS Church prophet John Taylor started Mormon Fundamentalism?

The LDS Church History Library just released hi-res scans of the original version of a September 27, 1886, revelation to church president John Taylor that commanded Mormons to “do the works of Abraham.” As the LDS Church was gradually winding down polygamy after 1890, a growing movement believed that polygamy was essential and could not be discarded. The revelation quietly circulated through copies, giving their position some teeth. Then, in the early 1920s, a man named Lorin Woolley began telling the other half of the story: at the time of the revelation, John Taylor had ordained him and other men with the authority to perform plural marriages and ensure “the principle” never died. What is this revelation, what does it say, and how was it used and even denied by church leaders?

We are joined today by Bryan Buchanan of Benchmark Books and co-host of Sunstone History Podcast to talk about the new revelation.

00:00:00 Introduction

00:02:20 What John’s understand has been up to this point

00:06:34 What happened? New documents released

00:12:15 The church is attempting to be more transparent than in the past

00:14:02 Quick review of polygamy history

00:22:11 Reading the first document - Letter to John Taylor

00:34:20 John Taylor passes away in 1837 - in hiding

00:40:12 They want to become a state, but do not want to give up polygamy

00:46:45 The response from Deseret News

00:53:26 The second manifesto

00:55:00 Leaders are dishonest in the Smoot hearings

01:15:16 The Smoot hearings are a watershed moment

01:23:50 First documented case of the 1886 revelation being circulated

01:45:00 Badger receives a typed copy of these revelations

01:53:30 Why are patriarchs or stake presidents performing plural marriages?

01:58:00 Salt Lake Tribune is publishing huge lists of people who are new polygamists

02:05:20 John Taylor to John Woolley document

02:16:12 What are Lorin Woolley’s motives?

02:23:08 Around the 20s, the first full revelation is published

02:39:29 J Reuben Clark - 1923 document

03:04:18 John Taylor visited by Jesus saying polygamy is an eternal principle

03:14:03 “Truth” magazine published in 1935, and various other books

03:17:20 J Reuben Clark Statement from June of 1933

03:44:05 “Latter-day Revelation” book made available (like a condensed D&C)

04:15:00 Why Bryan finds this to be such a fascinating time in Mormon history

04:17:55 Come to Sunstone!

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What Caused You to Leave Mormonism? - Live Q&A with Kolby, Britt, and John | Ep. 2031

Dr. John Dehlin — Sat, 14 Jun 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Join John, Britt Hartley, and Kolby Reddish today as we host a live call-in show around the topic: "What caused you to lose your Mormon faith?" We would love to hear from you.

Show Notes⁠

00:00:00 Introduction to the Q&A

00:05:20 Where does the idea of a “shelf” come from?

00:14:40 Kolby’s shelf-breaking moment

00:25:25 Polls Results

00:38:35 Britt’s shelf breaking moment

00:51:53 Sloan Smart - The Happiness Letter

01:15:00 Samuel

01:21:55 Chris - The Second Annointing

01:49:55 Jennie from Life Take Two

01:56:00 Kurt

02:02:40 Annie Edwards - Mormonism is not a place for women

02:10:40 Mark Stoddard

02:16:15 Melissa

02:20:08 Mike & Kerry Fuller

02:22:50 Mark and Stephanie

02:31:24 Samantha

02:33:30 Gene Judson

02:37:30 Closing comments

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Did Joseph Smith Use Golden Plates to Translate the Book of Mormon? - John Turner Pt. 4 | Ep. 2030

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 12 Jun 2025 19:00:00 GMT

In Part 4 of our deep-dive podcast series with historian Dr. John G. Turner, we explore one of the most debated questions in Latter-day Saint history: Did Joseph Smith actually use the golden plates to translate the Book of Mormon?

This episode covers Chapter Five in John G. Turner’s new book titled Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet. Chapter Five deals with the three and eight witnesses to the golden plates that happened in 1829 in Palmyra, New York, and reveals new perspectives on how the Book of Mormon was produced and what was happening behind the scenes. We also cover the roles of Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, Cowdery’s relationship to the Smiths, the use of seer stones and divining rods, and the complex origins of LDS priesthood authority.

Topics include:

-Joseph’s poverty and early struggles

-Martin Harris’ doubts and dedication

-Translation methods and spiritual tools

-Priesthood revelations and baptisms

-Internal conflicts and legacy

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My Dad Ruined My Mormon Wedding w/ Kayli & Nathan Hinckley | Ep. 2029

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 09 Jun 2025 18:00:00 GMT

In this powerful, raw, and emotional conversation, Nathan Hinckley and his daughter Kayli open up about their journey through Mormonism — from deep devotion to painful disillusionment — and how faith, family, and unexpected truths collided at one of the most sacred moments: Kayli’s wedding.

From early seminary mornings and dreams of the Celestial Kingdom to patriarchal blessings, church culture clashes, and a heartbreaking faith crisis — this interview pulls no punches. Nathan, a once-devoted bishop and father, shares how his spiritual unraveling sent shockwaves through his family, culminating in a moment that changed everything at his daughter's temple wedding.

How do you break the news to your family that you no longer believe — when your whole life has been built around it?

How did Kayli handle growing up as a “perfect Mormon girl,” only to find herself questioning it all before adulthood?

Topics explored:

-Growing up Mormon in Tennessee

-Spiritual perfectionism & scrupulosity

-Patriarchal expectations vs self-identity

-Leaving the Church and breaking generational cycles

-Family dynamics around faith, control, and truth

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00:00:00 Introduction

00:04:41 How the Hinckley’s end up in Tennessee

00:22:29 Kayli’s upbringing on “the compound” also called “The Mormon Holler” by non-members

00:26:15 Mormon garment mindset and wearing bikinis

00:36:10 Kayli learning the word “feminist”

00:42:45 Scrupulosity around beauty and appearance or just the rules?

01:07:56 Persecution complex, throwing rocks at a tree

01:22:00 Getting her patriarchal blessing

01:27:49 Dating non-members and finding a husband

01:46:45 How was Kayli’s testimony during this time?

01:57:03 Still born sister that she wanted to see in heaven

02:04:16 Nathan losing his testimony

02:13:40 Nathan was asked to take a survey for the Church on the Gospel Topics Essays

02:27:30 Nathan struggles with his testimony

02:36:17 Kayli goes down the rabbit hole while parents on vacation

02:39:59 I was one person before, and in the next moment I was a different person

02:50:38 Why didn’t Nathan just hide it or fake it

02:55:51 Nathan began writing and posting things publicly

03:01:01 Kayli removed her name from the Church pretty quickly

03:05:26 “An Old Friend of Mine” song

03:14:30 How did Ethan respond to Kayli’s deep dive into the church?

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Martin & Lucy Harris and the Lost 116 Pages of the Book of Mormon - Dr. John G. Turner Pt. 3 | Ep. 2028

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 05 Jun 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Welcome to part three of the Joseph Smith Podcast! Today we are back with Dr. John Turner to cover his new book “Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.” Today we are covering Chapter Four titled: Lost in Translation which takes place in 1827-1829 in Palmyra, New York.

In this episode, we explore one of the most pivotal and mysterious events in early Mormon history — the story of Martin and Lucy Harris and the infamous loss of the 116 pages of the Book of Mormon manuscript. With historian and non-Latter-day Saint scholar John G. Turner, we dive into the complexities of translation, belief, and the relationships that shaped the early Restoration movement.

We also examine:

-The discovery of the plates

-Martin Harris’ background and motives

-Lucy Harris’ suspicions and possible involvement

-The cultural and religious context of the time

-Theories about the Book of Mormon translation process

-What the loss of the 116 pages reveals about Joseph Smith’s prophetic development

This episode also reflects on broader themes of faith, deception, historical interpretation, and the psychology behind religious movements. Whether you're a believer, skeptic, or historian, this deep-dive provides rich insight from a non-Mormon perspective.

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Threatened with Excommunication TWICE in Tennessee - Todd and Lindsay McCormick | Ep. 2027

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 02 Jun 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Lindsay and Todd McCormick, a couple from Knoxville, Tennessee, share their powerful and emotional journey navigating faith, doubt, and community pressure within the LDS Church. From their musical Mormon upbringing and successful business ventures to being threatened twice with excommunication, this interview dives deep into the cost of questioning and choosing authenticity over conformity.

They open up about their faith crisis, the controversial City Creek Mall, navigating parenthood in the church, and ultimately, their heartbreaking experience with betrayal from close friends and leaders. Through all of it, their love for each other and desire for truth remained steadfast.

Topics include:

-Faith deconstruction and polygamy

-Church discipline and double standards

-Excommunication threats and “apostasy”

-Cultural expectations, identity, and healing

-Choosing honesty over fear in Mormonism

-Watch their raw and courageous story unfold.

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00:00:56 Introductions

00:03:14 Lindsay’s Mormon story

00:10:23 Gender expectations growing up

00:14:48 Lindsay started a photography business

00:17:15 Todd’s Mormon story

00:21:40 They met on her birthday and married in the Nauvoo Temple

00:24:06 When did their faith journey begin and their doubts?

00:25:47 How did the threats for excommunication start?

00:35:11 Todd didn’t feel inspired, he felt stagnant

00:36:30 They started their Photo Barn business and became successful overnight

00:41:55 Story of them in the temple and Lindsay thinking critically

00:43:33 Story of them in Sunday School and the prophets not leading them astray

00:50:21 The next catalyst happened on a ward temple trip

00:55:00 They chose to start over in all of their beliefs, taking subjects one by one, etc.

01:10:04 They realized the Doctrine and Covenants was a mess

01:16:22 The Word of Wisdom is confusing

01:29:20 They gave talks in Sacrament Meeting and were corrected publicly

01:31:08 “There is a case being built against the McCormicks”

01:33:55 Facing excommunication or baptizing their eight year old

01:37:13 Not being authentic can really hurt your physical and mental health

01:57:36 It’s a testament to how much they love the church that they attended for years

02:01:08 The person in the bishopric that worked for them that they let go

02:07:45 They got a message that the Stake President wanted to meet with them

02:12:05 They presented seven letters in a folder, less letters than before

02:17:58 Her friend repeated that Lindsay joked about wine

02:21:09 What happens when you get excommunicated

02:32:30 One critical part of the story - telling the leaders that they needed a warning

02:38:32 They were shocked when they found out that they were NOT getting excommunicated

02:41:49 How has the membership played out after this moment?

02:49:18 Nathan apologized for how he treated her when she left the church

02:59:14 I didn’t leave the church AT you, it’s just our path

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Treasure Digging & the First Vision - Joseph Smith Podcast Ep. 2 w/ John Turner | Ep. 2026

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 30 May 2025 18:00:00 GMT

In this second episode exploring the new book “Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet” by John G. Turner, we dive into chapters two and three. Chapter Two titled “Light” covers the years 1817-1825. We discuss such topics as Joseph Smith's evolving accounts of the First Vision, early controversies, treasure digging escapades, and his transformation into a religious leader. We discuss historical inconsistencies, cultural influences, and Turner's critical conclusions about Smith's experiences and motivations.

Topics include:

-The First Vision's late emergence and conflicting versions

-Treasure digging and supernatural claims

-The influence of revivalist culture

-Early church documents and evolving theology

-Turner's secular interpretation of Joseph Smith’s story

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My Life After Mormon Stories with Brooke (McLay) Lark | Ep. 2025

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 28 May 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Brooke is returning to Mormon Stories Podcast after 13 years, when she and her husband came on as the first couple to be interviewed on the podcast. Brooke’s husband at the time, John McLay was a CES employee who lost his faith while working for the church. It was an epic Mormon Stories interview, and we are excited to hear what Brooke has been up to since. We will hear about how Brooke has rebuilt her life and career after a divorce, and how her life has been impacted by sharing her story in such a public way.

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CES Director and Wife Leave Mormonism - John and Brooke (Lark) McLay (Rebroadcast) | Ep. 2024

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 26 May 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Today we are rebroadcasting an older, classic, episode of Mormon Stories from 2012!In this episode we interview John and Brooke McLay. John served for 14 years as an employee of the LDS Church Education System (CES). In this capacity he served as: a seminary teacher and principal, an institute teacher and director, a BYU Education Week speaker and an EFY Director. John also served as a member of a stake high council, and was serving in a bishopric during the months leading up to his decision to leave the LDS Church. John and Brooke resigned their membership of the LDS Church in August of 2011. This is their story.Join us in the next episode where we re-interview Brooke Lark!

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The Joseph Smith Podcast: Family, Faith, & Folklore - Dr. John Turner Pt. 1 | Ep. 2023

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 23 May 2025 18:00:00 GMT

We're kicking off this brand-new series with special guest John G. Turner, historian and author of the newly released book Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.

In this episode, we dive into Turner's research process, the inspirations behind the book, and how his work compares to previous scholars like Fawn Brodie and Richard Bushman. We discuss the Introduction and Chapter One of Dr. John Turner’s book where we explore Joseph Smith’s visionary parents, his early years, the origins of the Book of Mormon, and whether the LDS Church has hidden key historical documents.

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Never-Mormon Obsessed with Mormonism? - KB Olsen | Ep. 2022

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 22 May 2025 14:08:10 GMT

Katherine Bernard (KB) Olsen is a never-mo (never Mormon) — but also one of the most devoted fans of Mormon Stories Podcast. A queer, secular journalist with deep Jewish roots and a high-fashion pedigree, Katherine has spent over 20 years captivated by the LDS Church — despite never being religious herself. In her first-ever full-length interview about her life story, she opens up about her lifelong curiosity with Mormonism, identity, belief, and American culture.

KB's impressive journalism career includes work at Vogue, New York Times, and other top-tier New York publications. After moving from Maryland to attend NYU for journalism, she found herself drawn not only to art and culture — but also to spirituality, history, and the paradoxes of organized religion. Over the years, her interest in Mormonism became a deep and serious intellectual pursuit.

What You'll Hear in This Interview:

-Her upbringing in a secular household in Maryland

-Her exploration of Jewish identity and eventual conversion

-Her first exposure to Mormonism through South Park, Big Love, and The Book of Mormon musical

-Her emotional journey coming out as gay in a non-supportive environment

-Her reflections on shame, logic, identity, and community

-Her nuanced take on Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon, and Mormon reality TV

-Her insights into conditioning, religious extremism, and spiritual seeking

This episode is a masterclass in curiosity — how someone with no personal ties to the LDS Church became one of its most thoughtful outside observers. KB explores Mormonism not as a critic or a believer, but as a seeker with a journalist’s eye.

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Soft Swinging & Ketamine? - ExMormons React to Secret Lives of Mormon Wives S2 Pt. 1 | Ep. 2021

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 19 May 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Join Natasha Helfer, Chelsea Homer, and Alyssa Witbeck as we review Episodes 1-4 of Season 2 of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives...where we answer the questions: What is Mormon soft swinging, and is that really a thing?

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Are Mormons Christians? Live Call-in Show | Ep. 2020

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 15 May 2025 14:00:00 GMT

Please join us Thursday evening at 6pm Utah time for a call-in show discussing the topic of "Are Mormons Christian?"

This is part 2 of a weekly call-in show format that we are experimenting with.

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Losing a Child After Losing Mormon Faith w/ Jennie Latham Johnson | Ep. 2019

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 12 May 2025 18:00:00 GMT

In this deeply moving and raw interview, Jennie shares her powerful life story—from growing up in a strict Mormon household to breaking free from the expectations that shaped her identity. She opens up about her parents’ conversions, her challenging marriage, the emotional toll of purity culture, and her gradual disillusionment with the church.

Jennie also recounts the heartbreaking loss of her daughter Izzy, and how grief reshaped her spirituality and perspective on life. Through it all, she finds resilience, healing, and the courage to choose herself.

A story of love, loss, faith, and transformation you won't forget.

Topics Include:

-Childhood in a devout LDS family

-Marriage, purity culture, and incompatibilities in marriage

-Crisis of faith and discovering church history

-Navigating grief after the loss of her daughter

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Our Adult Mormon Daughter Lost Her Faith! w/ Neal & Christa Rackleff | Ep. 2018

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 08 May 2025 18:00:00 GMT

In this emotional and deeply honest episode, Eve and her parents, Neal and Christa, share their powerful story of faith, devotion, awakening, and transformation. Raised in a multi-generational Mormon household, Eve and her family lived and breathed the teachings of the LDS Church—until the cracks began to show.

From Neal’s time as a bishop and Christa’s strong belief in Mormon womanhood, to Eve’s mission and eventual faith transition, this conversation explores:

The impact of religious upbringing and cultural expectations

The emotional toll of unaddressed questions and historical issues

How Gospel Topics Essays, polyandry, and the church’s lack of transparency triggered a faith crisis

Eve’s pivotal role in helping her parents deconstruct their beliefs

The cost—and freedom—of walking away

Heartfelt, raw, and eye-opening, this interview shines a light on the complexity of leaving a high-demand religion and finding connection, purpose, and joy on the other side.

Show Notes can be found on the Mormon Stories Blog here.

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Questioning Mormon Learns REAL Truth about Joseph Smith w/ John Dehlin and Carah Burrell | Ep. 2017

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 05 May 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Join us as we revisit this epic interview with John Dehlin and Carah Burrell, which originally aired on Carah's channel in 2023.

Eve, a good friend of Carah Burrell's, was an active and faithful member of the LDS Church at the time of this interview. She had begun to question aspects of the Church—particularly polygamy—and agreed to sit down with Carah and John for a truly unique conversation. In this interview, they simply presented her with factual information about LDS history and captured her real-time reactions.

This one-of-a-kind interview is now being shared on Mormon Stories Podcast for the very first time. Be sure to join us later this week as Eve returns to the podcast—this time with both of her parents, who have experienced their own faith journeys since Eve's original interview two years ago.

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What do Mormons Believe About God? - Mormon Stories Live! (Call-in Show) | Ep. 2016

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 02 May 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Join us for our first live video call-in show! The topic: "What do Mormons Believe About God?"

We will be briefly reviewing my essay that can be found here: https://johndehlin.substack.com/p/what-do-mormons-believe-about-god

Then we would love some of our audience to join us to discuss any of the following topics:

What they were taught as Mormons about God.
What they think about the Mormon version of God.
What they believe about God.

We will be joined by dear friends Kolby and Cam Reddish.

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Canadian Couple Leaves Mormon Church - Ben and Justine Jalaff Pt. 2 | Ep. 2015

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 01 May 2025 18:05:44 GMT

In this powerful continuation of our interview with Ben and Justine, we explore their raw and honest journey from deep devotion in the LDS Church to personal awakening, heartbreak, and healing.

They share how their relationship grew during Justine’s school years, navigating early marriage, financial and gender-role challenges, and the burden of trying to live up to faith-based ideals. From motherhood identity struggles to confronting doctrinal issues and discovering their voices during a faith crisis, this episode is full of vulnerable, eye-opening moments.

Highlights include:

Gender roles & pressure in Mormonism
The cost of silence during a faith crisis
The CES Letter, LDS Discussions & uncovering hard truths
Healing from betrayal, rebuilding marriage & reconnecting with family
Their plea for empathy from believing members

Whether you're in faith, out of faith, or somewhere in between—this is a story about agency, partnership, and finding truth together.

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A Canadian Mormon Story - Ben and Justine Jalaff Pt. 1 | Ep. 2014

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 28 Apr 2025 18:00:00 GMT

In this episode, Ben and Justine share their powerful and emotional journeys through Mormonism, immigration, family trauma, and healing. They discuss Ben's family's escape from political turmoil, their struggles with loss, and the lure of the Mormon doctrine of eternal families.

Ben faces racial and cultural challenges within the Church, battles self-worth issues, and grapples with the harm purity culture and missionary service caused.

Justine recounts her own upbringing in a strict Mormon household, the pressure of modesty culture, and the way Mormon ideals shaped her relationships and sense of self.

Together, they reflect on how they met, the impact of internalized racism, and their path toward authenticity, healing, and love — even as they confront the pain Mormonism left behind.

This is part 1 of a very special two-part Mormon Stories interview.

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Ten Things TO DO In Your Faith Deconstruction | Ep. 2013

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 24 Apr 2025 18:00:00 GMT

In this powerful follow-up conversation, Britt Hartley returns to explore 10 practical and emotional steps to take during your faith deconstruction journey. From embracing anger and grief, to rediscovering your identity, setting boundaries, and finding peace in the unknown—this episode is a guide to healing, growth, and transformation.

Whether you're newly questioning or deep in the process, these insights will help you navigate deconstruction with compassion and clarity.

Topics include:

-Grieving your old beliefs

-Embracing uncertainty

-Inner child & shadow work

-Building authentic community

-Setting loving boundaries

-Learning to just be

Join us as we unpack the deep emotional layers of deconstruction and the tools that can truly support your journey.

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Mormon Relief Society President Resigns - Jennifer Jeppson Wilson | Ep. 2012

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 21 Apr 2025 18:51:37 GMT

Jennifer Wilson shares her deeply personal journey from growing up in a devout Mormon family to questioning, deconstructing, and ultimately leaving her faith. She opens up about her family's polygamist history, her mission experience, marriage, leadership roles in the church, and the struggles that came with navigating faith transitions. From grappling with church expectations to finding newfound freedom and clarity, Jennifer reflects on how this journey has reshaped her identity, marriage, and parenting.

Key Topics Covered: Growing up in a Mormon household & family history, missionary experiences & gender expectations in the church, marriage, motherhood & church leadership roles, doubts, faith crisis & leaving the church, Raising kids outside of Mormonism & rediscovering identity.

Join us for an honest, heartfelt conversation about faith, change, and self-discovery. Don't forget to like, subscribe, and share your thoughts in the comments!

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Ten Things NOT to Do In Your Faith Deconstruction - Britt Hartley | Ep. 2011

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 17 Apr 2025 18:00:00 GMT

In this episode (Ep. 2011) we explore with @nononsensespirituality founder Britt Hartley the common pitfalls people face during religious deconstruction. From navigating relationships and parenting outside of organized religion to the challenges of psychedelics, intellectualism, and identity loss—this is a raw, honest conversation about life after faith. Whether you're just beginning your journey or deep in it, this discussion offers insight, validation, and guidance.

Key topics covered:

- Why opening your marriage right after leaving religion may backfire

- How to provide structure for your kids without religion

- The psychedelic trap & chasing spiritual highs

- The “missionary phase” of ex-belief systems

- Finding meaning beyond religion, without clinging to new dogmas

- The lifelong process of deconstruction

- And much more, including Gen Z dating, chakras, free will, and dreams.

Don’t miss her reflections on what she’s learned, what to avoid, and how to move forward with integrity and openness.

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Mormon Women ECSTATIC about Garments Change | Ep. 2010

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 15 Apr 2025 13:31:58 GMT

After nearly two centuries of strict modesty standards, the Mormon Church has made a historic change—women’s garments now allow for exposed shoulders. In this in-depth panel, Mormon women unpack the significance of this shift. From the garments' Masonic roots and historical designs to the ways they’ve shaped modesty culture, sexuality, and control over women's bodies, this conversation dives deep. The panel also explores the social media response, health concerns, and the ongoing discomfort many women still face. With personal stories, historical context, and commentary on the new designs, this is a must-watch discussion on a topic rarely spoken about so openly.

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TAKING DOWN the Two by Twos Cult (2x2, The Truth) - Kari & Kyle Hanks Pt. 2 | Ep. 2009

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 14 Apr 2025 18:00:00 GMT

In Part 2 of our story, Kyle opens up about his life growing up in the Two by Twos faith — from a childhood shaped by pressure to "uphold the family name," to navigating chronic illness and suppressing his passions for music and basketball in order to prioritize church. We talk about the expectations around professing young, the control over dating, marriage, and even parenting — including the harmful encouragement of corporal punishment.

As cracks began to form during the COVID-19 pandemic, Kyle and Kari found themselves questioning everything they believed. From hidden doubts, religious trauma, and Kari’s journey of discovering her bisexuality, to the couple’s darkest moments and eventual transformation, this episode dives deep into how they began rebuilding their lives outside the 2x2 world.

We also discuss the emerging abuse allegations within the Two by Twos church, the beginnings of their Ex-Two by Two support group, and the broader fight for transparency and accountability in a faith that claims to have no organization at all. This is a raw, emotional, and revealing chapter of their deconstruction journey.

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Raised in the Two by Twos Cult (2x2, The Truth) - Kari and Kyle Hanks Pt. 1 | Ep. 2008

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 09 Apr 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Kari & Kyle Hanks share their journey of leaving the secretive 2x2 church, a religious group with no official name, written doctrine, or corporate structure. They discuss their upbringings, struggles with faith, the exclusivity of the religion, and the trauma they endured. From discovering the church’s hidden history to creating a support group for ex-members, they expose abuse scandals, strict doctrines on women, and emotional suppression within the group. Their deconstruction was influenced by the Mormon Stories Podcast, COVID-19, and personal revelations about belief, identity, and autonomy. Now, they advocate for informed consent and support those leaving high-control religions.

00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:40 Kari & Kyle introduce themselves and the Two by Twos group
00:14:04 They do not have a written doctrine, it is all word of mouth
00:21:59 The founding of Two by Two - founded by William Irving
00:28:28 It wasn’t until 1905 that the group started preaching exclusivity
00:37:52 Irving is kicked out of the church, although some still stay loyal to him. Another splinter group.
00:49:50 Three meetings a week
01:00:46 Background of their theology/doctrine
01:09:02 Discussion of Heaven & Hell
01:17:04 Kari’s background in the church
01:23:17 Growing up as a 2x2 girl
01:30:30 How does the group refer to themselves?
01:38:43 Never having the language to describe her feelings or sexuality
01:42:09 Higher education was discouraged for many, especially women
01:54:17 Emotional manipulation in high demand religions
02:24:47 2x2s very politically conservative, but are not typically involved politically
02:27:08 When did she start to think she was in a cult?

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Mormon Church Employee Speaks Out about SECRET Membership Committee! w/ Kate Lyn Whitaker | Ep. 2007

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 04 Apr 2025 18:00:00 GMT

After five years of reflection, Kate opens up about her journey growing up in a strict Mormon household, serving a mission in Argentina, and working for the LDS Church. She shares pivotal moments of doubt, her experiences in church administration, and the troubling realities she uncovered in the Confidential Records department. From questioning church discipline policies to witnessing firsthand how the institution handles abuse cases, Kate's story reveals the struggles and insights that ultimately led her to leave the church. Join us as she discusses faith, disillusionment, and life after Mormonism.

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Why Mormon Women Are Leaving the Church - Jared Halverson Meltdown | Ep. 2006

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 02 Apr 2025 18:00:00 GMT

On March 12, 2025, Church educator and BYU professor Jared Halverson released an Instagram short where he stated: “One of the statistics that has worried me the most of late, comes from a survey that was done in 2023 and it’s suggesting that for the first time that I can think of, more women are leaving religion than men are.” Is this true? Why are more women leaving Mormonism than men are? Join us today as we gather with Katie Rich (author of Fifty Years of Exponent II), Amy McPhie Allebest (of the Breaking Down Patriarchy YouTube channel), and Abby Maxwell Hansen (who was threatened with excommunication for her profile on Ordain Women in 2013 and an Exponent II blogger since 2019), as well as writer and columnist Jana Riess to discuss this growing phenomenon.

Jared Halverson is an associate professor of Ancient Scriptures and served for over 20 years in the Church Education System. Halverson earned his BA in History and MA in Religious Education. He has been a featured speaker in devotionals as well as in academic settings. He is the host of the YouTube channel and podcast titled “Unshaken.”

You can view Jared Halverson’s original video here.

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Why I Stay Mormon in 2025 - Proving Contraries w/ Dave McKenzie | Ep. 2004

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 24 Mar 2025 18:00:00 GMT

After being inspired by the Mormon Stories Paul brothers episode, Dave courageously shares his powerful journey through faith, family struggles, and self-discovery. From his upbringing in a traditional Mormon household to navigating complex questions about church history, LGBTQ+ issues, and personal loss, Dave's story is one of resilience and hope. He reflects on his brother's tragic passing, his evolving beliefs, and why he ultimately chooses to stay active in the church today. Tune in for a heartfelt conversation about faith, doubt, and finding meaning through it all.

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Joseph Smith Polygamy Denialism w/ John Hamer | Ep. 2003

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 20 Mar 2025 22:00:00 GMT

In this episode, we’re joined by historian and mapmaker John Hamer as he responds to Michelle Stone’s recent claims that Joseph Smith did not practice polygamy. Drawing from historical records, primary sources, and his extensive research, John offers context and analysis on one of the most debated topics in Latter-day Saint history. Join us for an insightful conversation unpacking the complexities of Joseph Smith’s involvement in early Mormon polygamy.

John Hamer is an American-Canadian historian who has focused primarily on Mormon history and has published a number of books on the topic, including Scattering of the Saints: Schism Within Mormonism and House of the Lord: The Story of the Kirtland Temple. John Hamer was raised in the Mormon Church, left the religion and joined the Community of Christ Church in 2010 and now serves as a pastor in their Toronto Congregation.

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Did Joseph Smith Use 19th-Century Bible Scholarship to produce the Book of Mormon? | Ep. 2002

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 20 Mar 2025 20:35:06 GMT

New research by PhD student Colby Townsend reveals striking connections between The Book of Mormon and Adam Clarke’s Bible Commentary, a widely used biblical resource in Joseph Smith’s time. In this episode, we explore how Smith engaged with Clarke’s insights, made textual modifications, and reframed biblical passages to fit his theological vision. Was Smith restoring lost scripture, or was he influenced by contemporary scholarship?

00:11:35 Summary of Joseph Smith using the Adam Clarke Commentary

00:17:06 During this time, this is NOT considered plagiarism

00:19:55 The new article by Colby Townsend

00:23:24 Clip of Hayley talking about Joseph Smith using the Bible Commentary

00:29:45 What were we taught about how the Book of Mormon was produced?

00:30:17 Quote from David Whitmer on the translation through the seer stone

00:35:00 The Expansion Theory

00:40:26 Quote from Emma on the Book of Mormon translation

00:42:33 Quote from Martin Harris on it being a direct translation

00:44:00 There is no account from Oliver Cowdery on the translation process; Oliver was also willing to lie

00:44:51 Clip of Brad Wilcox on how the Book of Mormon was translation

00:48:08 Background of Colby Townsend

00:50:08 Quotes from the article

00:57:55 Joseph used other Bible Commentaries

01:02:00 Conclusion from Colby Townsend’s article

01:07:40 Clip of the the Bible not having plain and precious things being removed

01:09:25 Clip - The Book of Mormon is to bring back the things lost from the Bible

01:11:20 2 Nephi 11:2 Nephi talks about the importance of Isaiah

01:22:43 Quote from the Colby’s article about how Joseph was well versed in the Bible

01:24:55 Dan Vogel’s theory about the presence of Isaiah in the Book of Mormon

01:26:14 Colby Townsend discussing Joseph and Methodism

01:29:25 Adam Clarke’s Biblical Commentary

01:33:35 Joseph’s access to Clarke

01:40:00 Comparing The Book of Mormon to the Adam Clarke Commentary

01:49:35 Joseph copying both the KJV and then Adam Clarke’s commentary

01:58:38 Next example in Isaiah 50:2 “their fish is dried up”

02:12:20 The example of Isaiah 2: 12-16 “cedars and oaks” and “high mountains and lofty hills”

02:18:45 Isaiah 9:3 “thou hast increased their joy”

02:24:20 Gerardo found his own examples

02:32:24 Examples in Isaiah 14:3 “in that day”

02:38:59 Isaiah 49:1 “O ye distant lands”

02:48:10 Example Isaiah 29:11 “read it, for it is sealed up”

02:56:50 If this is the most correct book why was so much of it changed?

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Family Abandons Mormon Church After 40 Years of Faith - Kevin and Jennifer Lundquist | Ep. 2001

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 13 Mar 2025 18:00:00 GMT

In this heartfelt episode, Kevin and Jennifer share their inspiring journey through their Mormon upbringing, missions, and eventual faith transition. They discuss navigating doubts, supporting their gay and transgender children, and redefining what love and family mean. From facing church pressures to embracing authenticity, their story highlights resilience, acceptance, and the power of unconditional love. Don't miss this moving conversation about finding peace and purpose beyond organized religion.

00:05:25 Kevin’s story begins

00:14:20 Kevin met with general authority Paul H. Dunn to get approved for his mission

00:27:58 Jennifer’s Story begins

00:36:11 They met again with Paull Dunn about getting married in the temple

00:48:38 Defining their own gender roles in their marriage

01:01:18 Concerns with paying tithing

01:09:00 Teenage son struggling with p*rn and coming out as gay

01:17:48 Their gay son decided to serve a mission; he was told his mission will “cure him of his gayness”

01:30:00 Mission president refused to let him go home, and had possession of his passport

01:38:00 Kevin told his son “never try to make the church work for you - it never will”

01:51:55 Their gay son says that if he was not able to leave the mission he may have committed suicide

02:08:50 Their daughter tells them she is done with the church; she experienced love bombing

02:12:50 Kevin asks his mom, “If the church wasn't true would you want to know” - she says no

02:16:50 “If there is a place in the church for my gay son, we will reconsider”

02:30:40 Discussing transgender issues in the church

02:40:48 Why do a lot of ex-Mormons turn to atheism after leaving the church?

02:28:20 Has the way that they see “love” and “family” changed over the years? What do they mean for them now?

02:56:23 Final thoughts

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Lori Vallow Dateline Interview - MORMONS RESPOND! | Ep. 2000

Dr. John Dehlin — Sun, 09 Mar 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Lori Vallow Daybell was interviewed on NBC/Dateline Exclusive. Keith Morrison sat down with convicted murderer and Mormon mom, Lori Vallow, to talk about her case. Her two children, Tylee and J.J. were last seen in September of 2019 and she and her new husband Chad Daybell were arrested and charged for their murder. During the Dateline interview, Lori said that she and Chad Daybell were going to be exonerated because of Jesus. “I have seen things in the future that Jesus showed me when I was in heaven.” She went on to say that “Jesus is a funny guy and a wonderful person that loves everybody and especially loves her.” Lori has long been desirous to appear on Dateline and finally got her wish. She is also charged with conspiracy in the attempted murder of her niece’s ex-husband in another case.

00:00:30 Lauren Mathias, Megan Conner, Gerardo and John

00:10:00 She went in surprised, she’d heard most of it, but was surprised at Lori’s anger

00:17:50 Gerardo feels the interview would have been different with someone with a cult background

00:19:25 Did the interview show us the real Lori Vallow?

00:29:50 Lori is trying to lay groundwork for blaming Tylee for JJ’s death

00:34:00 Discussing the evidence that Tylee was killed weeks before JJ

00:47:40 Lori claiming that she met Jesus

00:51:25 Polling the audience about weather Lori Vallow believes this is true

01:09:30 Where do Chad’s beliefs begin and end?

01:12:05 Lori bringing in the spare tire and the car chair

01:25:00 We didn’t see much of the 90 minute interview between Lori and Keith

01:29:55 What Keith did that Lauren did not like

01:37:00 Was JJ asleep or was he already dead?

01:39:30 How Mormons view death and how Lori did not have a lot of grief or sadness in this

01:41:50 Lori saying that Tammy loves her and she loves Tammy

01:55:20 It was clearly disturbing to see Alex and Chad unloading a pickup truck

02:05:55 Alex’s death - was it natural causes or a murder?

02:18:00 Harmful places in Visions of Glory

02:19:55 Mormon beliefs that play into this crime

02:31:00 Other individuals who killed their children because they thought their children were possessed

02:39:00 Lauren being a members of the church

02:49:45 Lori saying that she’s right and “I told you so”

03:18:30 Keith pointed out that Lori was giving parenting advice

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Mormonism Failed Me as A Woman - Dana Raine | Ep. 1999

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 06 Mar 2025 19:00:00 GMT

Dana shares her personal journey of growing up in the Mormon church, navigating mental health challenges, and eventually deconstructing her faith. From her Mormon upbringing and mission experience to questioning societal and religious expectations, Dana's story explores themes of self-discovery, the impact of religion on her life, and the search for meaning beyond traditional beliefs. After leaving the church, Dana delves into topics like mental health, fertility, relationships, and motherhood, offering a candid perspective on her path toward healing and personal growth. This channel is a space for open discussion on faith, identity, and life after Mormonism.

00:05:00 Dana’s Mormon Story begins

00:17:00 What examples did she see of women in the church?

00:21:34 It was out of the ordinary to see women with careers

00:38:23 She was reported to the Bishop and her parents that she had experimented with cutting

01:06:30 Dana’s mission experience service in Atlanta, Georgia

01:12:22 She didn't love the temple experience - was “underwhelming”

01:24:24 David Archuleta was at the MTC during the same time

01:32:51 Dana knew very soon that she wanted to leave the mission early and she had to fight to go home

01:38:27 Dana Decided to go to BYU

01:56:25 Felt pressure to be married by the time she finished BYU

02:02:17 Dana to tell her parents that they could not be married in the temple and her mother told her “He’s taken everything from you”

02:18:07 Mormon therapist asked her to consider if she would be open to dating a non-Mormon

02:29:50 Dana lists the ways the church failed her - the church makes promises it can’t keep

02:41:20 Began to research severe PMS and PMDD, and learned that she suffered from it

02:47:02 Dana decided to have a baby by herself - very radical in Mormonism

03:08:00 Dana feels that she was a better foster parent as an ex-Mormon

03:14:40 Deconstructing the idea of “motherhood” in Mormonism

03:27:18 Dana focusing on her PhD

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Devil in the Family: The Fall of Ruby Franke - Mormons React | Ep. 1998

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 03 Mar 2025 17:00:00 GMT

When vlogger Ruby Franke was arrested for child abuse in August 2023, it shocked millions who had followed her family’s seemingly perfect life on YouTube. But behind the wholesome image was a much darker reality. With counselor Jodi Hildebrandt’s influence, the Franke family spiraled into a nightmare. Now, in Devil in the Family: The Fall of Ruby Franke, the Frankes’ eldest children, Shari and Chad, and Ruby’s husband, Kevin, speak out for the first time. In this episode of Mormon Stories, we react to this gripping series, unpacking the shocking revelations and what they say about family, control, and the dangers of social media.

00:02:45 Curious Case of Judi Hildebrant

00:22:45 “Mormon Mommy Bloggers”

00:30:40 Kevin is also a victim of an abuser

00:48:50 Ruby thinks a happy family is an obedient family

01:10:57 Ruby’s channel was “Advancing the image of the church”

01:26:00 Pressure in Mormonism to find a partner that is acceptable by church standards

01:56:49 The Franke kids begin to shut down to the camera

02:02:26 Ruby tells Chad: “Fake being happy right now”

02:14:17 Who is the “Devil in the Family” representing?

02:30:20 “The beanbag incident” with Chad’s bed being taken away

02:40:42 Shari saying Chad got “beaten” and had to help him clean up blood off the walls

03:01:21 Kevin’s initial reaction to ConneXions - “This is a cult”

03:23:20 Lauren’s reaction to Jodi’s house: “They had Costco inside this house”

03:28:00 The LDS church could be shutting this dogma down but they don't

04:04:00 When Jodi is possessed its a feature, when the kids are possessed its a bug

04:31:10 Jodi Gave Ruby permission to be this way

04:49:40 Shari calls the police for the first time to do a wellness check on the kids

04:58:54 The younger daughter found in the closet - wasn't even able to talk

05:17:50 “Takes an exceptional lack of empathy” for a mother to do this

05:25:11 Assessment of how Kevin let this happen

05:41:30 Sometimes families like these can be more susceptible to manipulation

06:07:00 Become cult informed! Become born again to your own intrinsic knowledge

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Sued Mormon Church to Get My Tithing Back - James Huntsman Story | Ep. 1997

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 26 Feb 2025 19:00:00 GMT

In this long awaited interview, James Huntsman, a successful businessman and member of the Huntsman family, joins John Dehlin and fraud attorney Mark Pugsley to discuss his high-profile fraud lawsuit against the LDS Church—how he lost his LDS faith, why he pursued a fraud lawsuit to get a tithing refund, what he learned, and why he has no regrets.

00:00:49 Brief overview of James Huntsman's lawsuit

00:07:27 Family background info

00:18:50 Served a mission at 18

00:22:21 Discussion of a kidnapping in their family

00:36:27 Emergence of Ensign Peak & church investments

00:49:58 Cracks start developing in James’ faith

01:03:03 What led to him deciding to file the suit

01:09:35 The downsides of him suing

01:17:00 Comparing the organized structure of his family’s business to the disorganization of the church

01:28:55 What sparked his desire to sue the church

01:37:00 “It was a very personal battle for me”

01:48:40 Statute of limitations for fraud

01:54:00 Everyone now knows how much the church has - floodgates of awareness have been opened to the churches bad financial dealings

02:07:00 James has no intention of damaging the church

02:14:15 The church today does not need members tithing

02:26:00 How did they feel after they filed?

02:44:20 Are churches protected from committing fraud

02:58:00 James feels relieved that it is all over, and they can talk about it now

03:11:29 Final thoughts & Conclusion

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Joseph Smith Monogamy Affirmer - Michelle Stone | Ep. 1996

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 25 Feb 2025 17:00:00 GMT

For nearly two centuries, Joseph Smith’s involvement in polygamy has been a point of controversy. Historians and more recently, LDS leaders, have affirmed that the Mormon prophet took dozens of wives. But a growing movement within the Church is challenging that narrative, arguing that Smith was a monogamist—and that polygamy was a later invention used to justify the actions of Brigham Young and other church leaders.

One of the most vocal advocates of this perspective is Michelle Stone, creator of 132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy, a YouTube channel with nearly 120,000 subscribers. A lifelong member of the LDS Church, Michelle once had a strong testimony of polygamy, believing it was divinely inspired. But everything changed ten years ago when her husband questioned whether polygamy was ever truly of God. Determined to prove him wrong, Michelle embarked on a deep dive into historical records—only to find herself questioning whether Joseph Smith practiced polygamy at all.

Now, she joins Mormon Stories to share her research, her faith journey, and why she believes the Church has it wrong on one of the most controversial chapters in its history.

00:05:22 Why we want to have Michelle on

00:15:48 Michelle’s great-grandfather was told by the president of the church to go to Mexico to get a second wife

00:35:07 Her grandfather was called to be a mission president in Tonga, leaving behind other wives

00:48:56 She was never taught that Joseph didn’t practice polygamy

01:05:00 Things made more sense once she realized there was problems in church history

01:14:00 Trauma of losing a child at the hospital in 2020 during the pandemic

01:24:00 Had an experience where she felt that she saw her daughter grown up

01:56:48 Michelle was devastated by the Nov 2015 LGBTQ Policy

02:04:50 Discussion of polygamy in the BOM

02:14:50 Michelle had a second faith crisis in 2020

02:32:33 When did she start her YouTube channel “132 Problems”?

02:43:34 God saying in the BoM that polygamy is an abomination

02:56:01 Has she ever decided differently than what god “commanded”?

03:18:15 Discussion on RLDS church and why they split from the LDS church

03:19:41 Michelle is asking individuals to “hold a little space” for this new theory

03:31:54 Her episode on Emma changed her mind

03:49:20 “I have become more confident in my stance since I started speaking out”

04:16:57 Michelle’s thoughts on Fanny Alger

04:39:45 Why were there rumors of polygamy going on in the church in 1835?

05:00:40 Questions on the Nauvoo Expositor

05:33:00 How can the church be true if the original men made so many mistakes?

05:40:50 What are her thoughts on the church maybe excommunicating her?

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Mormon Church Changes Children Polygamy Lesson After Online Criticisms | Ep. 1995

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 20 Feb 2025 15:08:35 GMT

In December 2024, the Mormon Church released a new chapter in the children’s Doctrine and Covenants Stories on the topic of polygamy. In that chapter they discuss how God sometimes commands his people to live polygamy and how hard it was for Joseph Smith to obey. The chapter also discusses how Joseph’s wife Emma did not want her husband to marry other women. Children were even taught that some of the brethren were arrested and put in prison for living polygamy.

After the release of that chapter many people spoke up, criticizing the church for this new content. Many believed these stories were too heavy for children and that by releasing this chapter the Mormon Church was actively teaching a story of sexual assault and grooming.

Today we learned that the church changed this chapter. Certain phrasing was removed as well as entire sections of the chapter. Is this due to online criticism of the church teaching children polygamy? Does the Mormon Church cave under pressure? Join us today as John, Julia (from Analyzing Mormonism), and Alyssa Witbeck discuss these changes.

00:07:55 Clip - Criticism forces the church to change

00:25:36 Clip - Nathan Hinckley talking about them using the word “hard”

00:26:15 Comparing the original and the new version

00:35:20 Clip - Is God okay with forced polygamy?

00:36:55 Comparing the changes on the second image

00:42:20 Clip - “The Mormon church is participating in sexual assault”

00:53:46 Clip - Michelle Stone on Emma Smith00:56:10 In the new version this section has been completely taken out

01:01:58 Clip - “How did this get through the review process?”

01:15:22 Clip - Mormon leaders went to prison01:19:24 The last panel did not change on Woodruff’s manifesto

01:26:08 Polygamy is still hard on women today in an eternal aspect

01:36:25 What was the 2015 Exclusion Policy and how the church rolled it back

01:32:40 Answers from the Church History Survey

01:48:17 The story of Zina Huntington

01:50:30 Clip - Can consent be given in a Mormon context?

01:54:55 This is a positive change overall

02:03:10 What is it that causes people to question their faith?

02:06:11 Clip - “A faith that blinds you is problematic”

02:08:25 Final thoughts

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The LDS Church History Transparency Quiz - Please Complete and Share | Ep. 1994

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 19 Feb 2025 11:36:50 GMT

A 15 question quiz has been designed to facilitate healthy discussions about factual LDS Church history, and LDS Church historical transparency. It should take less than 5 minutes to complete.

Audience: This quiz is for anyone who has ever been an LDS Church member, including active and inactive LDS Church members, and former LDS. Please take this quiz yourself, and then please invite family, friends, and (most importantly) LDS church leaders and missionaries to take the quiz as well.

We are hopeful that the survey can serve as a way for you and others to healthily discuss factual LDS Church history, as well as the LDS Church's overall record of historical transparency. NOTE: All of the historical facts below have been recognized by the LDS church as valid, to the best of our understanding. References have been included for discussion.

We will be awarding a modest number of cash awards to those who complete the survey in its entirety, and who are willing to share compelling insights or experiences - which might include coming on the podcast to discuss their experiences. We are also considering the option of administering this survey as a scientific, random survey. If you are interested in supporting such a project, feel free to donate at the link below.

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00:08:30 Going over the survey together, email, etc.

00:12:00 Question one - Were you taught about Joseph Smith’s 1826 Treasure digging trial?

00:14:10 Question two: What were you taught regarding the Book of Mormon translation?

00:15:50 Question three: What were you taught about the priesthood restoration?

00:17:18 Question four: Were you taught that Joseph Smith had over thirty wives?

00:18:20 Question five: Were you taught that Joseph Smith hid his first marriages from his wife Emma?

00:22:20 Question six: Were you taught about the different accounts of the First Vision

00:24:55 Question seven: Were you taught that Joseph Smith allowed black men to have the priesthood?

00:27:44 Question eight: Were you taught that Joseph Smith was a Freemason?

00:29:40 Question nine: Where you taught that the Book of Abraham is a false translation?

00:32:10 Question ten: Were you taught about Joseph Smith destroying the Nauvoo Expositor?

00:35:00 Question eleven: Do you feel like the Church has been fully honest?

00:35:35 Question twelve: Do you feel like the truth claims are important?

00:36:55 Question thirteen: Would you have made different decisions had you known?

00:38:29 Question fourteen: Did the church intentionally withhold this information?

00:58:40 Why did the church even release the Gospel Topics Essays?

01:30:00 Share this survey with friends and family

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Lost My Pentecostal Faith Studying Mormonism - Anna Schreyer and the Assemblies of God | Ep. 1993

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:00:00 GMT

Anna shares her personal journey growing up as a Pentecostal Charismatic in Utah, detailing her experiences within the Assemblies of God (AG) church, and the struggles and beliefs that shaped her faith. Although she has never been Mormon, Anna has a unique perspective of the LDS church as she grew up surrounded by Mormonism in Utah. Anna also delves into her time as a missionary in Mozambique, her eventual questioning of her beliefs, and the emotional journey of leaving the church. The conversation touches on the challenges of leaving a high-demand religion and finding new paths to healing and authenticity.

00:04:14 Anna’s intention

00:15:35 “Gift of Tongues” vs “Speaking in Tongues”

00:25:43 Both of Anna’s parents are pastors

00:40:00 The belief in “healing” abilities in Assemblies of God

00:56:00 Anna diagnosed with cancer around age two, they thought religion could heal her

01:19:20 Why do “mainstream” Christians not see Mormons as Christians?

01:33:18 Anna was conditioned to believe that expressing emotion shows closeness to God

01:52:08 Anna talks about what it was like to have Mormon parents not want their kids to be around her

02:01:17 Speaking in tongues for the first time

02:16:50 Creating false memories

02:26:45 How are sexual transgressions seen in evangelicalism vs mormonism?

02:38:05 Anna stopped attending church and school because she felt so ashamed

02:40:50 Anna’s connections with the Latter Day Church of Christ or the polygamist Kingston Group

02:52:41 Anna’s time in Mozambique

03:02:45 It took Anna years to adjust back to normal after her work on her mission

03:10:20 Anna felt like God was calling her home to “save the Mormons”

03:21:10 Anna voicing: “I have created an image of myself that isn't real”

03:38:30 Questioning what to do with her life after leaving that mission

03:47:20 Anna began to see red flags in her pastor -he was not financially transparent and sexist

03:52:15 Anna’s pastor gives sermon called “Four Bad Reasons that People Leave the Church”

04:12:04 Anna feels extremely alone now after leaving

04:25:00 Her parents are still not very willing to view things that are critical of the church

04:45:13 Watched Margi’s “Coming home to myself” THRIVE presentation

04:50:08 What are her moments where she taps into beauty or pleasure?

04:53:46 Final questions for Anna

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Did Joseph Smith Have Sex With His Plural Wives? | LDS Discussions 62 | Ep. 1992

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 14 Feb 2025 00:02:00 GMT

Many have asked the question: Did Mormon Prophet Joseph Smith have sex with his polygamous wives? During his lifetime, Joseph Smith engaged in polygamy (which was illegal in the state of Illinois) and his wives consisted of women who were underage, women who were single, women who were widowed, and women who were already legally married. What is the evidence for his sexual relations with them? Additionally a number of the brethren were also commanded to live polygamy, what is the evidence for sexual relations in those unions? Were any children born in polygamy during the prophet’s life? Join us for a unique LDS Discussions episode where we explore these topics and answer these questions.

00:10:50 The purpose of polygamy from the scriptures - Book of Mormon Jacob 2:27-30

00:14:05 List of all 35 of Joseph Smith’s wives

00:19:45 Color coded list of the wives and sexual relations with Joseph Smith

00:26:55 Fanny Alger was Joseph Smith’s first “polygamous” wife

00:32:45 Lucinda Pendleton Harris was the first polyandrous wife

00:38:20 Zina Huntington was already married and was seven months pregnant

00:45:30 Presendia Buell didn’t know if her son was Joseph’s son

00:49:42 Levirate Marriage with Agnes Smith, Joseph Smith’s sister-in-law

00:58:44 Sylvia Sessions Lyon thought her daughter was actually Joseph Smith’s

01:01:15 How can the Mormon polygamy deniers explain this away?

01:12:40 Elizabeth Durfee helped Joseph arrange new plural marriages

01:19:00 Did Emma Smith push Eliza R. Snow down the stairs?

01:22:26 Clip - Emma Smith did not attend Relief Society through all of 1843

01:30:06 Sarah Ann Whitney had a fake or “front husband” after she married Joseph Smith

01:38:00 Joseph Smith visited Flora Ann Woodworth often

01:54:50 Lucy Walker answers the question of why Joseph Smith didn’t have children in polygamy

02:05:36 Helen Mar Kimball was only fourteen years old

02:25:50 Desdemona Fullmer dreamed that Emma was going to poison her

02:36:40 Malissa Lott’s testimony that she slept with Joseph Smith

02:46:10 Human Trafficking in Mormon history

03:03:10 Children born into polygamy

03:08:52 The final count for who Joseph Smith had sex with and who he did not

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Mormon Church Facing New Sex Abuse & Trafficking Lawsuits | Ep. 1991

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 11 Feb 2025 10:56:00 GMT

We sit down with the attorneys behind the explosive lawsuits filed against LDS Church, alleging decades of systemic child sexual abuse and institutional cover-up. These lawsuits include shocking claims of abuse facilitated by Church leaders across multiple states and even international borders, with some cases framed under federal trafficking statutes.The attorneys reveal how these cases aim to hold the Church accountable, explain the legal strategy behind the state and federal coordination efforts, and share the stories of survivors fighting for justice.

00:05:30 Anne Andrews

00:06:55 Kimberly DeGonia

00:08:55 Kolby Reddish

00:16:38 The human trafficking statute and how we define human trafficking

00:36:50 The Atonement and the church protecting itself

00:41:25 Describing the events in the way that lawyers do - High Level and what that means

00:42:43 Importance of the victim’s age

00:52:17 Discussion of the American criminal justice system

01:08:25 Charges are filed against Payton

01:19:50 Was Payton ever disciplined by the church?

01:32:50 Movement to consolidate the cases in Los Angeles

01:52:18 Dispelling myths on mandatory reporting laws

01:55:52 Rough timeline of proceedings ahead

02:17:00 Issues of Church and State laws?

02:24:00 What suggestions do they have for the LDS church to handle these situations better?

02:33:32 What is their motivation in defending these cases?

02:52:11 Final thoughts

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Faithful Historian Deceives Mormons - Keith Erekson | Ep. 1990 | LDS Discussions Ep. 61

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 07 Feb 2025 05:00:00 GMT

Keith Erekson serves as the director of the historical research and outreach for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. On January 12, 2025 he gave a fireside in which he answered tough questions. Today we are responding to that fireside and discussing such topics as polygamy, Joseph Smith marrying women who were already married, and the church hiding aspects of its history.

00:03:40 Introducing the original fireside with Keith Erekson

00:10:23 Background on Keith Erekson who works for the Church

00:17:08 Erekson saying the church never hid anything from its history

00:21:30 How the Church has hidden its history

00:30:35 Mountain Meadows Massacre

00:37:25 Utah Mormon Reformation Questions

00:43:42 The Word of Wisdom

00:58:57 The Lord is guiding President Nelson to lead the church today

01:02:00 Clip of Elder Holland explaining how the Church moves with the world

01:08:19 Joseph Smith publicly denying that he lived polygamy

01:17:00 These firesides are for questioning members

01:18:42 John C. Bennett’s list of Joseph Smith’s wives

01:22:52 Denials of polygamy

01:29:29 What is the purpose of polygamy?

01:33:53 Monogamy is the rule plurality is the exception

01:42:16 The New and Everlasting Covenant means polygamy

01:52:52 Erekson on the Restoration of All Things

02:03:05 Why did Joseph Smith marry women who were already married?

02:10:40 The Law of Adoption

02:19:03 Joseph’s wives getting sealed to other people after his death

02:20:24 Sealings for Time only

02:21:54 Time and Eternity only sealings

02:31:31 Erekson on Mary Elizabeth Rollins

02:34:10 Dan Vogel on Mary Elizabeth Rolins

02:40:26 Is polygamy required for exaltation?

02:51:22 Are women just prizes in Mormonism?

02:55:46 Erekson on the Book of Abraham

03:07:50 Finding the scrolls for the Book of Abraham

03:12:20 Erekson saying we’ve always called these funerary texts

03:21:15 The diagram produced in the Book of Abraham

03:24:11 Joseph Smith and the Catalyst Theory for the Book of Abraham

03:27:00 Grading Keith Erekson on his knowledge, honesty, etc.

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My Mormon Truth Crisis as an Attorney - Justin Sweeney | Ep. 1989

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 03 Feb 2025 19:00:00 GMT

In today's episode, John sits down for a conversation with immigration attorney, Justin Sweeney. Justin grew up LDS in Mesa, AZ, served a mission in Argentina, and has served in many leadership positions within the church. He was even serving in his branch presidency up until the end of 2024. Justin discusses how he felt overworked in his church callings, questioning polygamy and masonry, and his journey of discovering the true history of the church.

00:01:20 Justin’s experience with a “Truth Crisis” not “Faith Crisis” and Intentions

00:14:43 Growing up, High School, and sports

00:26:17 Justin’s experience at the MTC

00:36:35 “Fraudulent” baptisms in Latin American missions

00:40:55 Being called to YSA bishopric

00:53:47 Justing finishing law school & became immigration attorney

01:09:57 Justin began to feel like an outsider from mormonism

01:18:00 Discussion about the Godmakers and the lack of women in the Eternal Plan

01:25:15 Justin Sweeney’s “Truth crisis” begins

01:39:30 Justin was “using his lawyer brain to asses Mormonism”

01:44:50 Learning about the “stone in the hat” and that the church still has it

01:55:00 Comparing Mormonism to Santa Claus

02:05:33 Women are second class people in Mormonism

02:10:52 Justin discussing the LDS SEC order from an attorney’s perspective

02:23:00 Reading Second Class Saints by Matt Harris with his wife and kids

02:26:20 Why not keep it to himself and continue to “fake it”

02:32:25 “My intention is not to tell people to leave the church”

02:38:47 Elder Holland “stay in the boat” marketing video

02:44:35 Why isn't he afraid of excommunication by coming on Mormon Stories?

02:54:09 Final thoughts - Is he happier now no longer believing?

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Huntsman Mormon Tithing Fraud Case Tossed Out | Ep. 1988

Dr. John Dehlin — Sat, 01 Feb 2025 16:00:00 GMT

The U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has unanimously rejected James Huntsman's fraud lawsuit against the LDS/Mormon Church, which claimed that the church misled the membership over its tithing usage.Join John, Gerardo, and attorney Kolby Reddish to break down the decision.

00:04:26 Initial reactions to the news

00:13:00 Huntsman Procedure Explained

00:15:45 Where the Three Tithing Cases started

00:21:55 False statements made by the Church saying it would NOT use tithing funds

00:48:22 What is the definition of fraud?

01:01:05 The Church omitted half of the statement that changed the meaning

01:10:50 “Reserve funds” come from tithing for a “rainy day”

01:31:00 Why we should all become churches

01:34:47 More from the Majority Decision

01:42:55 Closing thoughts - we need to be accurate on how we talk about it

01:45:10 Judge Bress’ Concurrence

02:06:55 Bumatay’s Concurrence

02:20:55 Summary of the judicial breakdown

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West Point Mormon Questions Church & Military Service - Austin Wheeler | Ep. 1987

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:00:00 GMT

Austin Wheeler shares his personal journey navigating Mormonism, military culture, and faith deconstruction. He recounts growing up in the church, his early experiences with trauma, and how Mormonism influenced his views on violence and masculinity. After a series of life events—ranging from military service at West Point to his mission in Taiwan—he confronts the toxic elements of both the military and the church, including dehumanization and harmful beliefs. Ultimately, he reflects on how his experiences shaped his disillusionment with Mormonism, his struggles with identity, and the deep questions about purpose and meaning that arose as a result.

00:01:55 Introductions

00:08:55 His parents divorced when he was in seventh grade

00:10:00 He was sexually assaulted by a ward member and doubled down in his belief

00:31:00 How his High School shaped his identity

00:42:15 Prepper culture associated with the military culture

00:58:55 The Mormon culture is that they are going to build you in OUR image

01:20:00 Experiences at the Mormon Singles Ward

01:23:37 Called to the Tawaiian mission

01:36:00 He started a fight club in the MTC

01:45:00 Mormon culture makes a lot of people weird

01:50:35 His mission president thought he was sick because he had sinned

01:53:15 They sent him home for worthiness reasons, not because he was sick

02:03:45 He went back on his mission

02:24:00 Meeting his wife

02:42:00 Authority and obedience in the church and in the military

02:56:20 Opening his mind to the reality that the church had a lot of shortcomings

03:07:10 How did his military career end?

03:19:45 How did his military service end?

03:27:35 Because he was never deployed is he happy or sad? Broken or healed?

03:36:35 If you want to connect with people who have been in the military

03:48:30 Nihilistic views and the emptiness of existence

03:53:20 Final thoughts

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Mormon and Neurodivergent (Autism and ADHD) - Paul Martinez | Ep. 1986

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 24 Jan 2025 19:00:00 GMT

Paul reflects on his journey from being raised in the Mormon church to eventually leaving it. He opens up about his childhood, feeling isolated due to his neurodivergence, and his complicated relationship with his family. Paul shares his path to Mormonism, how he felt a strong connection to the faith at first, and his experiences as a missionary, including the challenges he faced in Argentina. Over time, he became disillusioned with the church, particularly after learning new information and struggling with its stance on LGBTQ issues. As Paul navigates life post-church, he discusses his career, his evolving understanding of love and relationships, and the healing process through music and self-reflection. The episode explores his feelings of loneliness, the importance of recognizing toxic behavior, and his journey to self-acceptance after leaving the Mormon faith.

00:03:35 Defining neurodivergence

00:14:30 Religious experiences before the LDS church

00:27:18 First introduction to Morminsim

00:47:28 Mission call to Buenos Aires and being pressured to confess sexual sins

01:00:55 How neurodivergence played into his mission

01:16:28 Parental alienation & trying to reconnect with his mom

01:32:58 “Mormonism is passive aggressive”

01:41:25 Paul began to get in trouble for questioning priesthood holders

01:59:20 November 2015 LGBT policy and Paul’s choice to stop attending church

02:14:50 Feeling love from the members, but not the institution

02:28:25 Narcissists only see their own reality

02:44:10 Do you feel more fulfilled than when you were Mormon?

02:56:04 Final questions - “Where will you go?”

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BYU Professor Brings CES Letter To Life | Ep. 1985

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 21 Jan 2025 19:30:00 GMT

In this episode of LDS Discussions, we explore how BYU Professor Anthony Sweat’s artwork reflects the troubling aspects of church history found in the CES Letter by Jeremy Runnells. Despite being excommunicated for questioning the church, Runnells’ CES Letter, published in 2013, exposes discrepancies in the official narrative. Meanwhile, Sweat’s art, starting in 2014, delves into controversial topics like Joseph Smith's treasure digging, the use of a seer stone, and polygamy. We compare Sweat's paintings to the CES Letter's criticisms, highlighting how the church’s history is often presented inaccurately. Join us as we discuss these bold portrayals and the ongoing tension between church teachings and historical truth.

00:00:00 Intro

00:06:55 This is episode 60 of LDS Discussions

00:10:50 Introduction to Anthony Sweat

00:15:20 Historical overview with these controversial topics being covered

00:22:30 Earlier artwork depicting images of the restoration

00:34:30 The CES Letter by Jeremy Runnells was published in 2013

00:35:50 How members were taught the translation happened versus how it actually happened

00:41:33 First painting - “The First Visions” by Anthony Sweat

00:54:46 Quote from Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy

00:57:22 “Gazelem, A Stone” by Anthony Sweat, Joseph obtaining his brown seer stone

01:06:13 The Harmony Treasure Searcher by Anthony Sweat01:15:25 Joseph Smith’s white stone and brown stone

01:18:46 Clip of Anthony Sweat sharing concerns from a BYU student

01:22:07 CES Letter and Anthony Sweat saying correct artwork wouldn’t communicate what the Church wants to communicate

01:26:45 “Oliver Cowdery and the Gift of the Rod” by Anthony Sweat

01:33:44 “The Ordination of Q. Walker Lewis” by Anthony Sweat

01:39:09 “An Angel with a Drawn Sword” by Anthony Sweat

01:48:06 “Destruction of the Nauvoo Expositor” by Anthony Sweat

01:52:25 “Purgatory: Joseph, Emma, and the Revelation on Plural Marriage” by Anthony Sweat

01:59:44 Clip of Anthony Sweat talking about painting controversial aspects of church history

02:02:35 The church is still trying NOT to show the rock in a hat during translation

02:07:25 Clip of Anthony Sweat and the translation process (the church telling an artist to change his painting)

02:13:13 Other depictions from Anthony Sweat

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Therapist Combats Mormon Sexual Shame - Erika Nordfelt | Ep. 1984

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 17 Jan 2025 19:00:00 GMT

In this episode of Mormon Stories, Erika Nordfelt shares her powerful journey from a devout Mormon upbringing to finding healing and self-discovery. Erika recounts her experiences growing up in a close-knit Mormon family, navigating high school in Colorado, and attending BYU-Idaho, where she faced struggles with religious expectations and marital dynamics shaped by the Church.She candidly discusses topics like sexual shame, pornography in marriage, and the role of Twelve-Step programs, highlighting the challenges of reconciling faith, identity, and personal growth. Erika opens up about her turning points, leaving the Church with her husband, and her work as a therapist, witnessing firsthand the impact of shame within Mormon culture.

00:00:00 Intro

00:03:18 Erika’s intention for coming onto Mormon Stories and sharing her story

00:06:12 Erika’s upbringing and her parents

00:14:32 The best of Mormonism is being raised outside of Utah or Idaho, Mormonism should be the salt not the whole meal

00:16:30 High School years and feeling undesirable in the dating aspect

00:23:18 Her relationship with her body in dance and modesty

00:35:00 Sexual neglect in her upbringing and in the Mormon church

00:37:26 Attending BYU-Idaho - She did not serve a mission because she met her husband

00:49:20 Her awareness to physical touch and how she was raised

00:54:20 How the Mormon church shaped their marital relationship as far as gender roles, etc.

01:06:07 Learning that her husband struggled with masturbation and porn and how she handled it

01:20:00 She felt so much despair when her husband confessed to viewing pornography

01:29:23 The Twelve Step Program and what part it played in her marriage

01:39:20 How long did she go to these Twelve Step meetings and was it working?

01:46:10 Moving to Rexburg and getting new jobs on campus

01:56:00 Seeing clients for the first time at the BYU-Idaho Counseling Center

02:03:55 She had a front row seat to Mormon suffering while working as a counselor

02:14:35 Checking in with their marriage during this time in their life

02:26:55 The beginning of the end lasted for five years, holes being poked in the Gospel

02:33:10 She began exploring troublesome church topics from a safe place in the church

02:43:40 Has leaving the church affected her therapy practice at all?

02:50:40 A better way to approach porn and masturbation

03:19:13 Erika Nordfelt wrote a book called “Don’t Walk Alone”

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American Primeval and the Mountain Meadows Massacre - Mormon Historians React | Ep. 1983

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 14 Jan 2025 19:00:00 GMT

January 9 saw the release of a new Netflix series, American Primeval, set in the context of mid-19th-century Utah. Though the series is fictionalized, many of the events and peoples depicted are real, including the Utah War, the Mountain Meadows Massacre, the Mormon settlers, and the Shoshone, Ute, and Paiute Indians.

Historians Barbara Jones Brown and Darren Parry join host John Dehlin for this live podcast to answer viewer's questions about which aspects of the series are factual and which are historical fiction. Barbara is co-author of Vengeance Is Mine: The Mountain Meadows Massacre and Its Aftermath, and Darren is the author of The Bear River Massacre: A Shoshone History. Barbara and Darren offer a unique perspective because they are not only historians of this time period in Utah, they are direct descendants of peoples depicted in the mini-series--Darren is Northwestern Shoshone, and Barbara is a descendant of perpetrators of the horrific massacre at Mountain Meadows.

00:00:00 Intro

00:06:25 Photos of ancestors

00:14:15 The creators did not intend this to be historically accurate

00:23:55 We need to debunk that this was done by the Native Americans, it was NOT

00:33:45 Jim Bridger’s character was the funnest character in the show

00:42:45 Brigham Young (Kim Coates) what is right and wrong

00:47:40 Jedediah M. Grant and the Mormon Reformation

00:57:25 Elias Higbee and John M. Higbee

01:07:45 Mountain Meadows started as a cattle raid

01:18:50 Made up fiction from the Nauvoo Legion

01:26:11 Two Moons - great female lead who had had her tongue cut out

01:30:40 Red Feather

01:35:00 Winter Bird - Strong female character

01:39:10 Sarah Rowell and Devin Rowell - neither were Mormon, main characters,

01:43:20 Jacob Pratt and Abish Pratt were both Mormon

01:46:55 Wild Bill Hickman - member of the Nauvoo Legion

01:51:20 What Barbara said about the missed opportunity in the TV show

01:55:00 Ned Blackhawk

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Shari Franke's "The House of My Mother" - Mormons React to Ruby Franke’s Daughter | Ep. 1982

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 10 Jan 2025 18:00:00 GMT

Join Lauren Johnson Matthias (@HiddenTrueCrime ) Megan Conner (@Third_Verse ) Mindy Caldwell, and John Dehlin as they react to Shari Franke's new book "The House of My Mother: A Daughter's Quest for Freedom" by Shari Franke, Ruby Franke's oldest daughter.

00:02:15 Trigger warning for the book

00:14:30 Questions that will be covered in this episode involving Jodi, Ruby, Kevin, and the Mormon church

00:19:32 Ruby and Kevin’s formation of their relationship and early family life

00:28:30 Was Ruby Franke set up with a disadvantage by Mormon gender roles?

00:35:18 Personality dynamics in the Franke family and Ruby’s profile as a mom and how much room the children had for their emotions

00:39:42 Childhood emotional neglect with Ruby Franke and her children

00:43:25 The pajama story and Ruby telling Shari she’d been friends after she had a baby

00:57:38 Mormonism and Vlogging

01:05:20 Consent and ethics in family vlogging

01:12:00 Shari Franke’s mental health - thinking that her tummy aches are demonic possession

01:29:03 Ruby removed Shari from therapy after Shari wanted to quit piano

01:40:50 Shari starts her own YouTube channel, while Ruby did not help her grow it she demand some of the proceeds of the account

01:43:46 Chad’s involvement in Shari’s story

01:52:30 Why Ruby reached out to Jodi was because of Chad

02:13:30 Meeting with Jodi as their therapist and showing her business structure as a cult

02:21:10 Truth and Distortion became the bane of Shari’s existence

02:34:50 Jodi’s tactics around isolation

02:41:18 How Jodi saw sex everywhere and how she and Ruby were queer

02:49:23 Visions of Glory and how it ties in with Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt

02:56:34 Shari Franke compared Lori Vallow to Ruby Franke

03:00:30 Thom Harrison and his influence over these cult leaders within the Mormon church

03:11:35 The darkest part of the book was about Derek and Shari’s sexual assault

03:31:14 Church disciplinary part of Shari’s story involving what happened with Derek

03:41:55 Shari is familyless for a while, running into her dad on the BYU campus and he was afraid to talk to her

04:04:05 Who is the main villain in this story? Is it Jodi or Ruby?

04:12:24 Shari drawing connections in the Mormon church

04:27:15 Shari’s final comments at the end of the book about her mother being narcissistic

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Devout Mormon Couple Leaves Church - Clare and Jackson Adams | Ep. 1981

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 08 Jan 2025 19:00:00 GMT

In this powerful episode of Mormon Stories, Clare and Jackson share their personal journeys of growing up in the Mormon church, struggling with shame, guilt, and anxiety, and eventually undergoing faith transitions. Clare discusses her challenges with modesty, body image, and mental health, especially during her mission, while Jackson opens up about his battles with pornography, shame, and a dangerous mission experience in Honduras. Together, they reflect on their experiences with church teachings, therapy, and the emotional toll of deconstructing their faith. This episode explores their healing process, the impact of questioning Mormonism, and the growth they’ve found in rebuilding their lives and relationship after leaving the church.

00:01:35 Intentions for being on Mormon Stories

00:17:50 Modesty and Young Women lessons

00:23:30 High School years

00:32:34 Jackson’s Mormon upbringing

00:39:40 Adolescent years

00:47:13 Issues with pornography and masturbation

01:07:20 Claire’s mission

01:16:13 Having panic attacks while serving her mission

01:27:35 Someone proposed to her on her mission

01:28:25 Jackson’s mission

01:35:00 Jackson’s dangerous mission experience

01:47:25 Claire going to college after her mission

01:51:30 He went through a disciplinary council

01:58:20 He was assigned to the Addiction Recovery Program

02:04:55 Meeting, engaged and married was five months

02:17:40 Parenthood and the church

02:24:25 TikTok was her demise of her testimony

02:31:10 Why she didn’t tell her husband of her struggles in the church

02:40:16 Jackson’s journey with his testimony

02:47:40 What happened after the faith crisis?

02:55:50 Healing after the faith transitions

03:07:00 How will their friends and parents respond to this episode?

03:14:03 Rebuilding after their faith transition

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BYU Cracks Down on Liberal Professors | Ep. 1980

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 06 Jan 2025 19:00:00 GMT

A recent article from the Salt Lake Tribune showcases how the Mormon church education commissioner Clark Gilbert has implemented stringent measures to ensure that faculty members across church-affiliated institutions, including Brigham Young University and BYU-Idaho, align with the church’s teachings. Professors are now facing many hardships. Their social media posts are being audited, many are being fired for showing LGBTQ+ and feminist support, or for experiencing doubts in their Mormon beliefs. Some professors are being terminated simply because their spouse stopped believing in the church. Top scholars no longer want to apply to BYU and many professors are seeking employment elsewhere. These changes have led many to argue that this approach suppresses academic freedom and creates an environment of fear among BYU faculty members, who may feel pressured to conform to specific interpretations of Mormon church doctrinal teachings to maintain their position.Join us today as we talk in-depth about these controversies and the recent news article from the Salt Lake Tribune titled "Dark Days: BYU professors are running scared as premier LDS school steps backwards." According to the US and World News Report, BYU ranked #61 in 2017 and then dropped to #109 in 2024 out of 436 National Universities, but are these new changes going to drop the university's ranking? Join the livestream to share your own personal experiences in this regard!Link to the original article: https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2025/01/05/byu-blue-why-these-are-dark-days/

00:02:57 Biography of Clark Gilbert as the Mormon church education commissioner

00:08:22 Clip - Elder Holland calling for more musket fire

00:25:10 Clip of Oaks and Eyring comparing the church to standing the wrong way in an elevator

00:31:22 Reading the article from Salt Lake Tribune “Dark Days: New Rules…”

00:39:35 Shutting down the ability to be honest and asking the professors to be unChristlike

00:49:04 The Mormon church favors obedience over all things

00:51:44 If the church continues this way it would be less like Notre Dame and more like Liberty University

01:02:50 The four groups of BYU faculty members (the faithful core, the supportive center, the secular first and open foes)

01:13:05 The process of hiring at any Mormon church university

01:19:25 Could these specific things (LGBTQ support, criticizing Trump, being a feminist, etc) get BYU professors in trouble?

01:32:00 Are women being singled out to not be hired at BYU?

01:36:00 Spouses being required to attend in prospective hire interviews at Mormon universities

01:41:20 Creepy and Orwellian aspects of the BYU hiring practices

01:58:00 ExMormon Reddit - The firing of the BYU-Idaho employees is a warning shot to Rexburg. Support your family and risk everything

02:00:15 ExMormon Reddit - Kevin Pearson and Clark Gilbert are encouraging an orthodox, fundamentalist, approach to their responsibilities

02:10:05 Some positive comments on Clark Gilbert

02:30:17 Don’t go to BYU, do not apply or attend this university

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Unveiling Mormon Myths w/ Sandra Tanner | Ep. 1979

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 02 Jan 2025 19:00:00 GMT

In this episode, Sandra Tanner and Chris delve into key figures and moments in Mormon historical scholarship. They discuss individuals like Dee Jay Nelson, Mark Hofman, and Wesley Walters, highlighting their contributions to uncovering evidence that challenges official LDS narratives, including the Palmyra revivals and the 1826 trial of Joseph Smith.The conversation touches on the work of scholars like Dan Vogel, Stan Larson, and D. Michael Quinn, as well as influential writers such as Fawn Brodie. Topics include changes in the Book of Mormon, early Mormon controversies, and the deeper complexities of Mormon history. This episode provides a compelling exploration of the intersection between faith, evidence, and critical analysis.

00:00:00 Brief review of key points from the previous episode

00:01:23 Discussion about the alias of Steven Mayfield/Stan Fields

00:11:10 Scholar Dee Jay Nelson’s false claim of having a PhD, Tanners losing some credibility

00:21:27 Joseph Smith’s mistakes in the Book of Abraham translation using heretic and hieroglyphics simultaneously

00:22:56 Insights into Mark Hofman’s forgery activities

00:28:10 Kerry Ross Boren exploring efforts to dig into Tanner-related controversies

00:35:40 Profiling Wesley Walters and his evidence against the Palmyra revivals and his discovery of the 1826 trial for Joseph Smith

01:06:00 Discussing M.T. Lamb and Mike Marquardt’s scholarly works

01:22:55 Stan Larson and the thousands of changes made to the Book of Mormon text

01:31:20 Key Figures in Mormon Studies like D. Michael Quinn, Fawn Brodie, Curt Bench, etc.

02:00:36 Insights into Sterling McMurrin’s perspectives and the New Mormon Thesis

02:06:30 Addressing the number of wives Joseph Smith had relationships with

02:14:00 Reflections on Christianity and Jesus Christ’s Atonement

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Unraveling the Threads of Mormon History w/ Sandra Tanner | Ep. 1978

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 01 Jan 2025 11:05:00 GMT

This video features Sandra Tanner, a descendant of Brigham Young, sharing insights into her family history and involvement in Mormon history. From Brigham Young's legal wife, Mary Ann Angell, to descendants of the Mountain Meadows Massacre, Sandra delves into the complexities of her heritage and polygamy's impact on her upbringing.The discussion explores Sandra's journey into Mormon historical research with her late husband, Jerald, encounters with figures like Ogden Kraut and Ervil LeBaron, and her work with notable journalists and podcasters, including Wallace Turner, Peggy Fletcher Stack, and John Dehlin. This episode offers a fascinating look at the intersections of faith, history, and media.

00:01:00 Oh the People You’ll Know: Exploring the connections and relationships in Sandra’s journey.

00:02:20 Sandra’s Relations to Brigham Young

00:06:40 A look at Brigham Young’s life and the locations associated with him

00:18:20 Sandra’s upbringing surrounded by stories of Brigham Young

00:20:50 Exploring the descendants of the Mountain Meadows Massacre

00:31:00 The Church's acknowledgment of the role Mormons played in the massacre

00:33:15 Introduction to James Wardell and his connection to Sandra's work

00:42:20 The LaBaron family and their impact on Sandra’s life and work

00:52:10 Exploring the figure of the Parowan Prophet and their role in history

00:57:36 A look at Ogden Kraut and his contributions to Sandra's understanding

01:04:08 Insights into Lamar Peterson and his influence on Sandra’s journey

01:16:40 Exploring the connection between the Law of Moses and the Book of Mormon

01:23:55 The role of Francis Kirkham in Sandra’s journey

01:28:40 The Tanner's decision to leave behind belief in the Book of Mormon

01:33:46 Insights into Wallace Turner and his impact on Sandra’s life

01:38:35 The role of Peggy Fletcher Stack in Sandra’s journey

01:45:00 The influence of John Dehlin on Sandra's path

01:48:15 John Dehlin Relaunched Her Career

01:51:48 How Quickly We Forget About the People Who Have Helped

02:08:00 Final thoughts and conclusion of the video.

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A Mormon Military Story w/ Army Ranger Ross “Marty” Martin | Ep. 1977

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 30 Dec 2024 11:06:00 GMT

This powerful and emotional story takes you through Marty’s life journey—from his upbringing in Mormonism, his experiences in high school and seminary, to his time in the military and beyond. Marty reflects on growing up in a trailer park, his mission to Jamaica, his struggles with faith, and his experiences in Iraq and Afghanistan. He candidly shares deeply personal moments: battling depression, losing loved ones, questioning his beliefs, and finding peace through family, a farm, and humanism.Explore topics of resilience, transformation, and healing as Marty recounts leaving Mormonism, confronting the trauma of war, and redefining his spiritual beliefs. A heartfelt account of faith, doubt, and the search for meaning.

00:02:30 Intentions for Marty

00:10:20 Growing up in Mormonism

00:24:00 The dynamic of his mother working and his dad being abusive

00:30:50 Interests in High School

00:50:30 Meeting his wife

00:51:20 Getting called to serve his mission in Jamaica

01:23:40 He joined the army without talking to his wife

02:04:45 Going to Afghanistan

02:22:00 Having their first daughter

02:34:35 Feeling the Spirit of Darkness while fighting in Iraq and questioning God

02:54:20 Catching Saddam Hussein and understanding why he did what he did

03:06:00 Reading the book Rough Stone Rolling changed his life

03:09:10 He delivered his daughter in their van by himself

03:14:40 Doing the Lord’s work at finding better ways to kill bad guys

03:24:10 Feeling unworthy to baptize his daughter due to his involvement in war violence

03:36:40 Finding Mormon Stories

03:41:46 Reading The CES Letter and discovering that it was not true

03:58:12 Leaving Mormonism helped him to not be so judgmental

04:18:20 Living a farm life has helped him find peace and connect better to himself and others

04:32:00 How he felt about the Mormon church and being in the military

04:49:56 Story of his father's death while in hospice and his belief in a higher power

05:43:20 Living his life by this new code

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Mormon Historian Admits Joseph Smith First Vision Problems Raised in CES Letter - Dr. Steven Harper | Ep. 1976

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 20 Dec 2024 19:00:00 GMT

Join us for a discussion with Sandra Tanner and Dan Vogel as we explore a remarkable video featuring BYU Professor and leading Mormon historian Steven C. Harper. In this video, Harper addresses key issues with the First Vision narrative and acknowledges several challenges raised by the CES Letter.

00:07:40 Wesley Walters

00:13:45 Clip - Fawn Brodie

00:26:09 Clip - Steven Harper on Joseph changing his story

00:27:37 Summary of the 1838 Account of the First Vision

00:39:42 Hermeneutics of doubt and trust

00:42:55 Clip - Bushman taking a charitable approach

00:50:02 Clip - publishing through Oxford

00:56:12 Clip - Memory studies nature of memory

01:00:38 John calling BS on Joseph Smith’s vision

01:19:15 Joseph Smith believed that God and Jesus were one being in 1832

01:30:50 The problem with Mormon apologetics with the First Vision

01:37:50 Clip - Critics not trusting Joseph Smith

01:45:32 Clip - How can you know without the Spirit?

01:55:45 Faith is a matter of choice?

02:01:19 Clip - BYU responding to Wes Walters

02:18:12 Clip - How many accounts of the First Vision?

02:36:20 Who visited him changes from 1832 to 1838

02:38:55 Clip - There will always be doubt

02:54:00 Clip - I might not have seen what Joseph saw

02:56:55 Distinguishing features of modern Mormonism

03:03:46 Mental gymnastics

03:13:50 Clip - Who does Joseph tell?

03:19:00 Joseph Smith’s name on the Methodist Sunday School

03:24:55 Clip - Ask Joseph Smith

03:34:25 Final thoughts

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Reporter Exposes Mormon Abuse Cover-Ups in Denmark | Ep. 1975

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 16 Dec 2024 19:42:00 GMT

This video exposes a shocking case of abuse within the Mormon Church in Denmark, featuring former Bishop Lasse Meilsoe and journalist Michael Teschl. They discuss the Church’s mishandling of a rape case where a husband drugged and assaulted his wife, Kiran, over several years, confessing repeatedly to Church leaders. The Church’s actions to protect its image over victims, discouragement of reporting abuse to authorities, and their systemic prioritization of abusers are critically examined.

Topics include Danish cultural responses, legal investigations into the Church’s practices, and the broader implications for Church transparency and accountability. A powerful and deeply unsettling look at abuse, complicity, and the fight for justice.

00:02:17 Church using the same cover-up techniques as in the States

00:07:15 Lasse Meilsoe and Michael Teschl introduced

00:13:50 Lack of attention to Mormon Church in Denmark

00:17:40 How the abuse story came to light

00:22:15 Church court for the abuser

00:30:40 The abuser is sent home to continue marriage

00:35:11 Abuser watches wife take sleeping pills

00:41:10 Abuser’s role on the High Council

00:46:00 Church threatens leaders who report abuse

00:56:20 Detailed timeline of the abuse (6 years)

01:01:00 Church’s four-page email response

01:14:35 Church leaders deny knowledge of abuse

01:20:55 Kiran divorces Peter

01:28:50 Church knowingly keeps abuser in leadership

01:34:11 Church's sole focus on self-preservation

01:41:56 “The Church is more important than the members”

01:49:40 Impact of the scandal on church activity rates in Denmark

01:54:05 Is Bishop Meilsoe worried about excommunication?

01:55:25 Closing remarks

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Mormon Church Now Teaching Polygamy to Children: Is it Grooming? | Ep. 1974

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 16 Dec 2024 19:40:00 GMT

Recently the Mormon Church released a new set of storybooks for children. For the storybook entitled "Doctrine and Covenants Stories" it has released a polygamy section that many feel is extremely harmful to children.Please join us as a Mormon Mom (Alyssa Witbeck) and a Mormon Therapist (Natasha Helfer) discuss their feelings about the likely harm that this section will cause to children.

00:05:30 The background and where to find this

00:13:30 Coming clean of their own volition vs the internet forcing them

00:14:54 Obedience is more important than intuition

00:19:09 God condones prophets to be predators

00:21:46 “The Lord commanded plural marriage”

00:26:45 Nowhere does God command polygamy in the Bible

00:32:21 Joseph is devastated for having to live polygamy

00:37:50 How did this happen if these men were called of God?

00:39:25 To claim that Joseph didn’t want to do this

00:43:15 Emma sometimes helped Joseph decide who to marry

00:46:44 Teaching the Twelve Apostles about polygamy

00:50:15 Brigham Young with his first wife

00:52:02 The laws against polygamy

00:52:52 John Dehlin’s polygamous grandparents

00:59:00 The Manifesto and end of polygamy

01:03:20 How sealings work in the Mormon church

01:10:02 This polygamy lesson teach and normalizes to children

01:26:30 Do they want to believe in a God that was okay with all of this?

01:30:50 Quick quiz

01:40:00 Why does all this matter?

01:47:10 Does this qualify as grooming?

01:52:20 Upcoming lessons on plural marriage for 2025

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Is Mormon Feminism Dead? with Katie Ludlow Rich and Heather Sundahl | Ep. 1973

Dr. John Dehlin — Sun, 15 Dec 2024 19:00:00 GMT

This video explores the rich history and ongoing journey of Mormon feminism through the lens of Exponent II. Katie Ludlow Rich and Heather Sundahl share their personal stories, including feminist awakenings, experiences with the Church, and their work preserving women’s voices in Mormon history. Topics include women’s roles in the Church, the suppression of women’s spiritual practices, mixed-faith marriages, and the impact of feminist movements like Ordain Women.

Dive into the influence of Exponent II, the challenges faced by Mormon feminists, and the resilience of women seeking to redefine their roles in faith and community.

00:00:40 Katie Ludlwo Rich and Heather Sundahl

00:03:15 Intentions for coming onto Mormon Stories

00:05:05 What is feminism?

00:06:26 Heather’s awakening to Mormon feminism

00:15:15 Katie’s feminist Mormon story

00:28:45 What the book covers

00:31:40 Suffragists polygamists blow my mind

00:59:44 The founding of Exponent II

01:06:40 What was problematic about women's liberation?

01:16:40 The Church disempowering women

01:25:40 L Tom Perry telling the women to stop the Women’s Exponent

01:36:20 Mormons for ERA

01:53:00 Women and women’s power

02:27:55 Had Exponent II advocated for priesthood?

02:49:00 Has Exponent II addressed truth claims?

03:03:00 Exponent II is not as widely known, it needs to be bigger

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Is Religion Dying in the U.S.? – Goodbye Religion by Ryan T. Cragun and Jesse M. Smith | Ep. 1972

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 12 Dec 2024 23:05:00 GMT

Is religion dying in America? In this episode, we sit down with Ryan T. Cragun and Jesse M. Smith, authors of Goodbye Religion: The Causes and Consequences of Secularization. This groundbreaking book examines the surge in people leaving organized religion and its profound impact on American culture and society. Drawing on extensive data and over a hundred in-depth interviews, Cragun and Smith delve into the social, psychological, and environmental factors behind religious exit. They also address the misconceptions surrounding secularization, revealing that leaving religion is not the crisis it’s often portrayed to be. Instead, they show how nonreligious individuals remain socially engaged and committed to making a positive impact in their communities.

00:02:20 Background for Ryan and Jesse

00:14:00 This could be really bad on society

00:27:15 Who is leaving?

00:31:25 How is the Mormon church doing with losing members?

00:44:00 Resurgence of interest among the young Mormons?

00:54:30 Polling the audience

00:58:35 The push-pull analysis for what’s pushing people out

01:16:40 How to replace your community

01:20:00 Where are people going?

01:30:40 Where are people finding community?

01:36:45 No meaningful relationship between religiosity and mental health

02:00:00 Use the religion don’t let the religion use you

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Top Scholar Explains How the Book of Mormon Was Created - The Mosiah Priority w/ Brent Metcalfe | Ep. 1971

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 11 Dec 2024 19:00:00 GMT

Join us as we welcome scholar Brent Metcalfe for the 30th anniversary of his excommunication from the Mormon Church. We cover not only his excommunication but also his famous discovery of the “Mosiah First Priority” in the Book of Mormon translation.

00:08:00 New Approaches to the Book of Mormon00:10:25 Brent’s background00:16:50 Getting hired by Mark Hoffman00:25:00 Realizing the Book of Mormon was not historical00:31:30 How the Book of Mormon was created?00:34:10 A miracle book from God?00:46:55 Which essay are contained in the book and what they’re about01:01:40 Response to the book01:09:05 Negative review mocking Brent Metcalfe01:16:05 Questions for Brent Metcalfe01:24:30 Members who view the Book of MOrmon as historical? 01:32:50 How people maintain belief01:34:55 The Mosiah Priority01:38:20 The 600 year prophecy of Jesus’s coming01:46:00 The lost 116 pages01:52:29 Wall around Jerusalem02:01:30 Not depending on literary works02:08:55 Four main voices independent of Joseph Smith’s voice02:16:05 The title page to the Book of Mormon, no mention of the replacement text 02:17:55 Who knows the name of Jesus Christ?02:24:30 The writings of Malachi02:36:19 Picturing the golden plates02:44:12 Phone calls

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Church Backtracks on Deceptive Change to Book of Mormon Introduction | Ep. 1970

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 09 Dec 2024 16:00:00 GMT

The LDS Church is quietly but significantly updating the introduction to the Book of Mormon, shifting its focus from historical claims to a broader, more spiritual narrative. In this episode , we dive deep into these changes, exploring what they reveal about the Church's evolving stance on the historicity of its sacred text. Is this an effort to address long-standing critiques about the lack of archaeological and genetic evidence? Or does it reflect a broader shift to make the Book of Mormon more approachable for a global audience? Join us as we unpack the implications of this significant change and discuss what it might mean for the future of Mormonism.

00:02:04 Clip from Analyzing Mormonism about the New Introduction

00:03:25 Questions about the new introduction00:08:50 The church backtracked on all of this

00:09:20 The 1981 Book of Mormon Introduction00:19:00 Why these changes were made

00:24:40 Mormon apologetics around the Introduction changes

00:34:28 The Daily Universe article

00:40:00 LDS Living article on the new Introduction

00:48:30 Dan Peterson

00:54:00 Spencer Fluhman

01:04:00 What was NOT mentioned in the new Introduction

01:08:20 The New Introduction to the Book of Mormon

01:15:30 The removal of Moroni’s promise

01:24:40 The Church is moving away from the Book of Mormon being historical

01:41:30 Undoing the new change to the Introduction

01:50:40 Polling the audience

02:05:20 Is the church influenced by ExMormon Podcasters?

02:18:10 Closing comments

02:29:20 Julie Hanks is defending her membership in the church

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BYU Football Profanity Tirade - Tyler Batty's Leaked Halftime Speech Controversy | Ep. 1969

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 06 Dec 2024 18:38:29 GMT

In this episode, Samantha, John, and Gerardo unpack the fallout from a leaked audio clip of BYU Football captain and former Mormon Missionary Tyler Batty’s explicit halftime speech, recorded outside the locker room at Mountain America Stadium in Tempe, Arizona. The speech, featuring vulgar language, has raised questions about BYU’s Honor Code, which strictly forbids profanity, vulgar language, and other conduct unbecoming of its standards.The controversy became even more interesting when BYU Coach Kalani Sitake defended Batty, calling his actions necessary for “helping the program.” Meanwhile, KSL, owned by the LDS Church, published an opinion piece telling critics to “get over it,” dismissing calls for accountability or discipline for Batty.We will explore the deeper implications of the incident, questioning whether public figures like Batty enjoy privileges denied to regular students—especially minorities—who are often held to stricter standards.

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00:02:30 How this came about00:07:11 Washington Times - Big 1200:10:28 Clip - Elder Nelson on swearing00:12:30 Clip - Elder Oaks 00:16:44 Clip - Elder Holland00:18:30 Clip - Elder Holland (unique BYU)00:22:00 Sunday play policy at BYU00:23:35 BYU Honor Code00:30:14 BYU has been central in a lot of religious exemption laws00:33:17 Clip - Footage of team leader Tyler Batty swearing at the players00:36:10 Was it bad that this was recorded?00:41:25 Does the church come across as pious and arrogant?00:45:22 Honor Code about not using profane language00:52:20 BYU article, Batty has not been punished00:57:19 Clip - DJ and PK00:59:45 Clip - Jesus healed the sick01:02:20 Clip - That this was recorded is unacceptable01:21:19 Honor Code Stories01:40:00 Does the church actually have high standards?

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Mormon Stories Past and Future - 2024 Edition | Ep. 1968

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 04 Dec 2024 04:47:18 GMT

Join us for our annual status report where we discuss our successes for 2024, our status as a sustainable podcast/non-profit, and our plans for 2025.

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00:02:55 This is the best year we’ve ever had00:06:00 Why we have adds in our episodes00:07:10 Our YouTube views and watch time and subscribers00:15:45 LDS Discussions series00:19:30 Second Class Saints Series00:24:00 Most popular videos on Mormon Stories00:29:10 How long have people been listening to Mormon Stories?00:35:40 We remodeled the studio00:43:20 Huge thanks to these people00:47:55 Billboard Campaign and new designs00:53:20 How many people donated to us this year01:00:15 Questions for 202501:32:00 Top city who voted number one for Donald Trump?

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Dating as a Mormon Young Woman | Ep. 1967

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 02 Dec 2024 19:00:00 GMT

Join us as we dive deep into the unique experiences of several women navigating life in and outside of Mormonism. From patriarchal blessings and missions to the complexities of dating, marriage, and personal revelation, these stories explore the pressure to conform to Church expectations and the personal growth that comes from questioning them. We discuss YSA culture, worthiness interviews, and the Church's teachings on relationships, consent, and sexuality. The women share their experiences with dating apps, "soaking," and the confusion between spiritual promptings and anxiety. Other key topics include the Church's influence on women’s roles, the challenges of single life, political and faith landscapes, and deconstructing teachings like the Family Proclamation. With insights into the CES Letter, Joseph Smith’s history, and financial concerns, this video offers a candid, thought-provoking look at life within the Mormon framework and beyond.

00:02:10 Brief Introductions00:46:47 The church’s goals and ambitions for women01:04:30 Hysterectomy- Her divine nature as a wife and a mom01:19:29 Dear Married People01:37:35 What's it like to date Mormon men?01:54:00 Consent in Mormonism02:03:30 The EXTRA for what women are needing02:26:15 Feeling like she’s running out of time at age 2402:26:50 Joseph Smith and Martin Harris02:31:55 Spiritual promptings/anxiety disorder02:29:00 Motivated reasoning and confirmation bias02:36:15 Disneyfication of Mormon Dating02:40:30 Fire round of questions02:41:20 Worthiness interviews in the YSA02:47:24 Soaking and inchworming02:49:13 Learning about your own sexual template02:12:15 This sets you up for abuse02:56:05 Politics between young adult men and young adult women03:01:20 What is the faith landscape in the YSA scene03:06:40 Asking the bishop for financial help03:07:40 The average Mormon thinks they’re giving to charity03:07:50 Her friend thought Joseph was a fallen prophet03:08:40 Moral and Truth claim accuracy issues03:11:00 The church needs to apologize03:11:40 Has the church's stance on LGBTQ issues been a problem?03:14:00 Women should be outraged03:18:15 Ordain Women movement

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My “Wicked” Mormon Journey - Abbie Clark | Ep. 1966

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 25 Nov 2024 19:00:00 GMT

In this episode, we explore one woman's journey of faith, identity, and self-discovery within and beyond the Mormon Church. From her experiences in musical theater auditions, serving a mission, and navigating family trauma, to struggles with infertility and finding her own path, she shares deeply personal insights. We discuss the cultural pressures of motherhood, the challenges of deconstructing religious beliefs, and the impact of leaving the Church after COVID. Her story also touches on her evolving perspective on topics like polygamy, women's roles, and Heavenly Mother, along with finding empowerment through fitness, creative expression, and fantasy literature. Join us for a candid and heartfelt conversation about redefining purpose, embracing authenticity, and thriving in "Plan B."

00:01:35 Intentions for coming on Mormon Stories00:04:25 The story of her parents00:10:50 Her Mormon adolescence 00:13:25 IRS agents came and asked about her dad00:19:00 Her parents announced their divorce00:28:10 Her dad was excommunicated00:33:50 Her dad’s faith crisis00:40:33 Her adolescent years00:42:20 Acting and singing in plays00:48:00 How did she cope with not having a dad01:00:35 Auditioning for the Musical Theater Program01:06:10 The prospect of serving a mission01:09:00 Her dad went to prison after her mission01:11:30 Her first temple experience01:14:00 The prayer circle01:15:19 Her mission experience01:24:50 Coming home from her mission in 201701:27:26 Meeting her future husband on her mission01:31:30 Her mom got remarried while she was on her mission01:42:20 Different selves in the mission versus out of the mission01:44:45 Marriage classes at BYU about healthy sex01:50:20 Life after getting married01:54:30 How her family reacted to brother coming home from his mission02:03:44 Patriarchal blessing is Mormon fortune telling02:14:20 How she felt being the one that couldn’t have kids02:22:15 They didn’t go back to church after COVID02:29:55 Deconstruction of the idea of Satan02:39:50 We never talk about Heavenly Mother02:43:10 Sad Heaven explained02:51:40 Tom Phillips and the Second Anointing ritual02:58:00 Letter for My Wife, feeling relief that it was all false03:07:40 She didn’t know how to listen to herself or decide what she wanted03:12:20 How she views her identity now than before03:18:20 Challenges in deconstructing and rebuilding

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The Lasting Legacy of the LDS Priesthood Ban | Ep. 1965

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 21 Nov 2024 21:02:24 GMT

Today we are discussing pivotal moments, from the Church’s “Race and the Priesthood” essay to public statements on racism, and the ongoing struggle for meaningful engagement on these issues. Highlights include racial inequities, discussions on the lack of diverse representation in leadership, and the emotional impact of past and present racism on Black members. We are also covering controversial events like the fake apology prank, the “Be One” celebration, and Elder Oaks’ and President Nelson’s statements on race. Conversations extend to BYU’s Race Equity and Belonging Report, Brad Wilcox’s remarks, and efforts to make the Church and its institutions more inclusive. Join us as we examine how the Church addresses racism, the call for accountability, and the path forward for healing and equity.

00:05:55 Famous prediction that set the church on fire00:08:50 The idea of racism is terrifying to many people00:11:21 The church is attempting to acknowledge racism00:16:16 White leadership, we’ve never had any people of color00:22:40 The Church’s top leadership, including women

00:31:00 Asking Uchtdorf what he meant by “leaders make mistakes”

00:36:50 Oaks saying they don’t give apologies

00:45:52 The church HAS apologized for some things

00:50:58 What an apology might mean to Black members of the church

00:57:15 The Fake Apology

01:10:50 Clip of Ahamd Corbitt on activism01:19:20 The “Be One” Celebration

01:23:53 Clip of Elder Oaks 01:51:19 Racist excerpt from the 2020 Come Follow Me Manual

01:56:21 Gary E Stevenson apologized to the NAACP

02:01:41 George Flloyd’s death and church statements

02:12:34 Efforts to make BYU more accommodating to black students

02:24:12 Brad Wilcox’s racist talk02:47:34 Ending the book on a positive note

02:53:57 Is the church healthy for Black people?02:42:54 Closing remarks

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Mormon Bishop Melts Down - Jared and Camille Johnson | Ep. 1964

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:00:00 GMT

In this in-depth interview, Jared and Camille share their intertwined journeys through faith, family, and personal growth within the Mormon Church. They discuss formative experiences, from Jared’s basketball career and mission (under Jeffrey Holland and Brad Wilcox) —where he faced challenges like fraudulent baptisms in Chile and an unexpected interview with Apostle Richard G. Scott—to Camille’s teenage struggles with modesty, faith and mental health. Their love story, temple experiences, and navigating higher callings in the Church, including Jared's time as a bishop, reveal the pressures and impacts of leadership roles.

Join us as we explore how these experiences transformed their lives, their perspectives on faith, and how their mental health and relationship have evolved since leaving the Church.

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Mormon Prophets' Push to Erase Racist Past | Ep. 1963

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 15 Nov 2024 19:00:00 GMT

Join us as Matthew Harris returns to discuss Gordon B. Hinckley's efforts to address lingering racism in the church, the push to remove Bruce R. McConkie's Mormon Doctrine from shelves, and members' calls for an apology for the church's past racism. We also explore Elder Holland's attempts to rebrand these doctrines as "folklore," the continuation of racist teachings by BYU professors like Randy Bott, and the creation of the Gospel Topics Essays.

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Meet The Creators Behind HERETIC | Ep. 1962

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 13 Nov 2024 20:58:18 GMT

Today we are interviewing the creators of the new movie Heretic, staring Hugh Grant. Heretic is a horror film about two Mormon sister missionaries who meet a man named Mr. Reed (Grant) who ensnares them in a deadly game of cat and mouse while locked in his house. Scott Beck and Bryan Woods are an American filmmaking duo who also directed A Quiet Place and Nightlight. Today they are going to answer questions about what inspired them to create the film, what messages they wanted to share, and how they wanted the film to impact their viewers. This is an episode you wont want to miss!

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Mormon Mom Identity Explosion - Fran Grover | Ep. 1961

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 11 Nov 2024 19:00:00 GMT

In this heartfelt conversation, Fran Grover shares her journey through life within and beyond Mormonism, from her early upbringing in an orthodox Mormon family to navigating grief, identity, and faith. She opens up about losing her sister, grappling with religious expectations, and experiencing deep personal and spiritual shifts while pursuing law school and marriage.

Topics covered include the complexities of a mixed-faith marriage, her evolving views on agency, motherhood, and partnership, and the challenges of leaving the Church. This discussion dives into mental health, deconstructing religious beliefs, and finding empowerment by trusting oneself. Join us as she reflects on rebuilding her identity, embracing uncertainty, and choosing authenticity.

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Mormon Church Targets Liberal BYU Professors | Ep. 1960

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 07 Nov 2024 19:00:00 GMT

Join us today as we meet again with historian Matt Harris to discuss his new book “Second Class Saints: Black Mormons and the Struggle for Racial Equality.” Matt Harris talks about the relationship between the Church and the John Birch Society and how the church changed its mind on supporting the Martin Luther King holiday. Additionally, Harris discusses how the harmful teachings of Bruce R. McConkie’s book “Mormon Doctrine” lived on even after his death. Professors Eugene England and Steven Epperson were pushed out of BYU for their more liberal views. How the Strengthening the Church Members Committee keeps these members in check.

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My Mormon Adoption Miracle? - Andrew Fish | Ep. 1959

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 04 Nov 2024 19:00:00 GMT

Join us for an in-depth interview with Andrew Fish as he shares his story of adoption, faith, and self-discovery. Andrew reflects on his family's journey, from his parents’ struggle to adopt, to his biological mother's decision to place him for adoption, and his upbringing within the Mormon Church. He also discusses the impact of religious expectations, his mission experiences, and his journey of reconciling his personal beliefs with his upbringing. Throughout this heartfelt conversation, Andrew opens up about his eventual decision to leave the Church, reconnect with his biological family, and navigate acceptance and understanding within his adoptive family.

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The End of the Priesthood and Temple Ban Came with a Catch | Ep. 1958

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 31 Oct 2024 18:00:00 GMT

The priesthood and temple ban began when Brigham Young learned that Black Saints were marrying white women, fearing interracial marriage. When the ban was finally lifted it was only with the caveat that they continued to warn the members against interracial marriage. Church members have received mixed messages since then, with warnings against interracial marriage still found on the Church's website and in manuals. How should members make sense of these conflicting messages? Today, we're joined by Matt Harris and Summur-Rayn to discuss this topic.

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Mormon Stake President and Temple Architect Finds HER True Self | Ep. 1957

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 28 Oct 2024 18:00:00 GMT

In this episode, we interview Laurie Lee Hall, a former bishop, stake president, and temple designer for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who later came out as transgender while serving as a Stake President. Laurie shares her journey of growing up with a gender identity that didn’t match how she felt, her experiences on a church mission, and attending Affirmation for LGBTQ+ Latter-day Saints. She also discusses her work designing temples, her struggles with the 2015 Exclusion Policy for children of gay couples, her excommunication, and the church’s evolving policies on transgender individuals.

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Mormon Prophet Slams Apostles for Fabricating Miracle Story | Ep. 1956

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:00:00 GMT

In this episode, we join Matt Harris to discuss the aftermath of lifting the priesthood and temple ban in the LDS Church. We explore how Bruce R. McConkie's account of the revelation was embellished and the damage control efforts by top church leaders. We also examine President Kimball's controversial remarks about Native Americans and his later regret over those comments. This discussion focuses on chapter eight of Matt Harris’ book, "Second Class Saints."

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My Faith Shattered While My Daughter Was on a Mormon Mission - Jen and Rian Anderson | Ep. 1955

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 21 Oct 2024 18:00:00 GMT

In this compelling episode, Rian Anderson unites with her mother, Jen, to share their powerful journey of faith and family. While Rian served her Mormon mission, her entire family left the church. Jen is here to tell her side of the story. Jen shares about how her mother battled with cancer while she was in High School and after marriage Jen’s husband struggled with pornography. As a former Relief Society President, Scout Leader, and member of the Stake Young Women’s Presidency, Jen also reflects on her experiences with church leadership and the inequalities she witnessed. The conversation touches on her son coming out as gay and the impact of her decision to leave the church on Rian's mission. Join them as they candidly discuss their stories and the complexities of their faith journey.

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Revelation or Secret Meeting? How the Mormon Priesthood and Temple Bans Ended | Ep. 1954

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 17 Oct 2024 18:00:00 GMT

What were the events and who were the key characters that led to the lifting of the priesthood and temple ban for black people? In this episode Matt Harris will answer those questions. Rumors have gone around that the ban was lifted due to the IRS threatening to take away their tax exempt status, or because of the lawsuits involving the NAACP, etc. Matt Harris puts many of these rumors to rest and answers the real reason why (and how) the ban was lifted.

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Sisters Convert, Then Leave Mormonism After Missions - Sydney and Lexi | Ep. 1953

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:00:00 GMT

Join Gerardo and Hayley Rawle (from the Girl's Camp podcast) as they dive into the journey of sisters Lexi and Sydney, who both joined the Mormon church in their pre-teens in Ohio. Sydney, an LGBTQ+ ally, shares her mission experience in Bolivia and her challenges with dating in the Young Single Adult Ward. After questioning her faith during the pandemic, she found herself grappling with her advocacy for LGBTQ+ rights. Meanwhile, Lexi discusses her mission in California, where she faced mental health struggles, including undiagnosed bipolar disorder and a companion with alarming ideations. Discover how a priesthood blessing empowered her to step away from the church. Don’t miss this insightful discussion on faith, identity, and personal growth!

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Skin of Blackness and Mormon Apologetics | LDS Discussions 58 | Ep. 1952

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 11 Oct 2024 18:00:00 GMT

In this gripping third installment of our series, we dive deep into the Book of Mormon to unravel the true meaning of the cursed “Skin of Blackness." Are recent apologetic theories—claiming it's just paint, dark coats, or tattoos—offering genuine insights, or are they merely attempts to gloss over the text's troubling implications? Join us as we confront these arguments head-on and question whether we should trust the prophets or the apologists. Don’t miss this eye-opening discussion!

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Striving for a Healthy Mormon Divorce - Meg Campbell | Ep. 1951

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 08 Oct 2024 20:00:00 GMT

In this special episode, we're thrilled to welcome Meg Campbell as we tackle the question: Can there be a healthy Mormon/exMormon divorce? Meg reflects on her journey of feeling constrained by church expectations and how her relationship shifted with the pressure of a Mormon Temple marriage. She shares vital dos and don’ts for navigating divorce, insights on dating afterward, and ways to support others through their divorce experiences. Join Julia, Margi, and John Dehlin for this important discussion!

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Top Mormon Apologist Admits CES Letter is Right About Joseph Smith Polygamy - Brian Hales | Ep. 1950

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 04 Oct 2024 22:00:00 GMT

Join us as we dive into a thought-provoking discussion with Sandra Tanner about Brian Hales' recent video addressing the challenges raised in the CES Letter regarding polygamy. Hales controversially claims that Joseph Smith did not engage in sexual relations with his polyandrous wives (his wives who were already married). We'll explore key topics, including biblical support for polygamy, Emma Smith seeking divorce due to polygamy, the possibility of Joseph sending men on missions to marry their wives, and individuals trying to deny that Joseph ever lived polygamy. Don't miss this insightful conversation on the complexities of polygamy and its historical context!

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Mormon Temple Worker Loses Faith - Michelle Clyde | Ep. 1949

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 30 Sep 2024 18:00:00 GMT

Michelle Clyde shares her journey of faith transition within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Growing up in Springville, Utah, she became more progressive in her views after her friend started the first gay-straight alliance in Utah Valley. Despite serving as a temple worker and in the Relief Society presidency, Michelle struggled with her experiences in the temple and her mental health. She opens up about her challenges during her mission in Taiwan, her journey through depression, and her evolving understanding of the church's history. Join us as Michelle reads from her journal and reveals the pivotal moments that led her to question her beliefs. Don’t miss this insightful discussion!

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Mormon Prophets Hired Snipers for the 1967 General Conference | Ep. 1948

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 27 Sep 2024 18:00:00 GMT

In today's video, we dive into the protests at BYU during the 1970s, including threats from black activists and government pressure to increase diversity in hiring and recruitment. We'll also discuss a shocking incident during a basketball game where a Molotov cocktail was thrown into the crowd, narrowly missing the BYU sports announcer. The church's response to these threats (mostly fabricated by the Birch Society) included heightened security measures, with snipers stationed on the Mormon Tabernacle during General Conference. Joining us is Dr. Darron Smith to discuss Matt Harris’ new book, Second Class Saints. Don't miss this thought-provoking conversation!

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Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 25 Sep 2024 16:08:55 GMT

An oral argument at the tenth circuit was brought forth today in the case of Gaddy vs. The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The argument is that the church hid its true history and that it lied about its use of tithing funds. The church representative made some shocking statements in both of these regards. Join us today as we discuss the arguments with attorney Kolby Reddish.

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Skin of Blackness: The Book of Mormon Curse | LDS Discussions 57 | Ep. 1943

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 20 Sep 2024 18:00:00 GMT

In this episode, we dive into part two of our exploration of the "skin of blackness" mentioned in the Book of Mormon. Historically, leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints identified Native Americans as the Lamanites. But as we approach the early 2000s, new theories have emerged. Could the "skin of blackness" refer to paint, tattoos, or dark animal skins? Join us as we unpack these intriguing ideas and their implications for understanding the text. Don’t miss this thought-provoking discussion! Show Notes

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A Brazilian Mormon Story: Marcelo and Sandra Ribeiro | Ep. 1942

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:00:00 GMT

In this episode Marcelo and Sandra share their remarkable journey as members of the Mormon church from Brazil. Raised Catholic, they embraced Mormonism in their late teens and early twenties. Marcelo served a mission, and after their marriage, he took on significant church roles including bishop and stake president by his early thirties. Their story takes a challenging turn when Marcelo was diagnosed with cancer while attending BYU. Among other things, his fight with cancer led him to start questioning church doctrines. He sought answers from his bishop, stake president, and even CES leaders. He even faced potential excommunication for starting a YouTube channel to help others in his same situation. Tune in to hear their inspiring and emotional Mormon story!

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Mormon Apostle Tries to End the Priesthood and Temple Ban | Ep. 1941

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:00:00 GMT

In the 1960s, Mormon Apostle Hugh B. Brown made significant efforts to lift the priesthood and temple ban for Black members of the church, even speaking with the media about the possibility of change. President Harold B. Lee, however, demanded that Brown stop speaking to the press and removed him from the First Presidency. Lee also forced Brown to sign a statement reaffirming the church’s racist doctrines. Join us with historian Matthew Harris as we explore the impact of Brown’s release, his faith journey, and insights from Harris's book Second Class Saints: Black Mormons and the Struggle for Racial Equality.

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How “Mormon” Are the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives? Mormons React Pt. 2 | Ep. 1940

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 12 Sep 2024 22:00:00 GMT

We are back again to discuss episodes three, four and five from Hulu's new hit docuseries The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. But how Mormon are these women? How Mormon is their story? How much does Mormonism really influence their daily lives? Join us as we discuss these questions with Samantha Shelley, Brittney Hartley, Alyssa Witbeck and John and Gerardo.

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British YouTuber to be Excommunicated: Nemo the Mormon | Ep. 1939

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 11 Sep 2024 16:11:00 GMT

British YouTuber, Nemo the Mormon, is facing excommunication. Was it for being on LADBible? Was it for speaking out at the McKinney, Texas City Council? Was it for his years of being on Mormon Stories? Join us as we meet with Nemo himself and discuss why the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has summoned him to a disciplinary council.

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Mormons React to The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives | Ep. 1938

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 09 Sep 2024 22:00:00 GMT

This week, Hulu released a new TV show titled The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, featuring the eight Mormon mothers behind the viral MomTok group that became a swinging scandal. Are these women truly representative of the Mormon faith? Can we trust them to reflect the entire Mormon Church? Join us as we discuss these questions with Samantha Shelley, Brittney Hartley, and Alyssa Witbeck.

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Father & Daughter Defend, then Leave Mormon Church - Ryan and Scout Fisher | Ep. 1937

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 06 Sep 2024 18:00:00 GMT

Join us for a special episode featuring the father/daughter duo Ryan and Scout Fisher. Ryan, known for his work as a Book of Mormon defender and host of The Nephite Explorer series, shares his journey, including working closely with Tim Ballard and his experiences as a missionary in Poland, where he was kidnapped and locked in a jail cell. Ryan’s patriarchal blessing foretold that millions would know his name, leading him to embark on Heartland tours and excursions with his daughter Scout to prove the truth of the Book of Mormon. As Ryan became a hard-core prepper, Scout witnessed her parents' faith transition while she continued attending church.

Trigger Warning: This episode covers topics such as kidnapping, suicide and suicidal ideation.

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Millennials Defend Mormonism - Hayden & Jackson Paul from @TheStickofJoseph | Ep. 1936

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 06 Sep 2024 03:15:58 GMT

Jackson and Hayden Paul are two brothers who run the Stick of Joseph YouTube channel. The Stick of Joseph channel seeks to make the Book of Mormon accessible by making engaging, entertaining and informative content. Jackson and Hayden are what some would call apologists for the Mormon church. Join us as we meet with them to hear their Mormon stories, and to understand how they continue to believe in core Mormon truth claims in spite of modern scientific evidence. Show Notes

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How BYU Kept Black Students Out | Ep. 1935

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 02 Sep 2024 18:00:00 GMT

Join us as we uncover what drove change within the Mormon Church, from government pressure on BYU to admit more black students to the church’s troubling response. We’ll dive into shocking letters sent to black prospective students, a five-step plan to keep them out, and the protests that followed. Learn how government intervention eventually forced the end of discrimination and explore why Mormon leaders were so uneasy with black students. This episode, featuring historian Dr. Matthew Harris, is part of our series on his book Second Class Saints: Black Mormons and the Struggle for Racial Equality.

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Top Mormon Historian Admits Issues Raised in CES Letter - Richard Bushman | Ep. 1934

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 30 Aug 2024 22:59:28 GMT

Today we are joined with Sandra Tanner to discuss Mormon historian, Richard Bushman’s recent response to the CES Letter. Bushman’s response was on the topic of the translation of the Book of Mormon. Did Joseph Smith really use a seer stone? Is the author of the CES Letter, Jeremy Runnells, wrong for feeling betrayed by the church? Did the church really hide that Joseph Smith had and used a seer stone to translate their most sacred text? Join us to find out these answers!

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Mormon Politicians Confront Prophets Over Racism | Ep. 1933

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 26 Aug 2024 18:00:00 GMT

Join us as historian Matthew Harris returns to discuss what happens when members of the Mormon Church First Presidency go rogue. We explore George Romney's support of Civil Rights versus Ezra Taft Benson's involvement with the John Birch Society. We'll also dive into the impact of white church members marching in the Civil Rights Movement and how figures like Stewart Udall, Cleon Skousen, Robert Welch, and Hugh B. Brown challenged the Brethren at Church Headquarters with their views and publications.

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New Transgender Policy Shocks Mormons | Ep. 1932

Dr. John Dehlin — Sun, 25 Aug 2024 15:30:41 GMT

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints recently released new policies surrounding transgender members of the church. It has taken the news and social media by storm! Among other things, the new policies include a measure to annotate trans members’ records, grouping them with members who have committed sexual violence or child abuse. Today we are joined with Amanda and Shaye Scott to discuss these new policies.

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Why Mormon Women (and Men!) Love Plastic Surgery | Ep. 1931

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 23 Aug 2024 20:22:12 GMT

A new study shows that religion usually leads to a more positive body image but Mormons in Utah are getting cosmetic surgeries at a rate 10% higher than the national average. What’s driving this trend? Today, we’re talking with Dr. Julie Hanks, Alyssa Whitbeck, Celeste Davis, and others to explore what’s happening in Utah’s Mormon culture. Tune in to hear the real story behind these numbers.

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Black Mormons Respond to Church Leaders Supporting Racial Segregation? | Ep. 1930

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 19 Aug 2024 18:00:00 GMT

Join Nate Byrd, Summer-Rayn, Dr. Darron Smith, and John Dehlin as they tackle the uncomfortable truths of Mormon leaders supporting racial segregation. This episode dives into topics like the European origin theory of the lost ten tribes, the discovery of black ancestry in those who appear white, patriarchs’ treatment of the “Curse of Cain,” and a shocking statement by Mormon prophet Harold B. Lee about closing BYU rather than admitting black students. Featuring clips from the episodes with historian Matthew Harris.

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Finding Joy After My Mormon Dream Collapsed - Allison Shiffler | Ep. 1929

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:00:00 GMT

Join us today as John and Margi interview Allison Shiffler. Raised in a part-member family, Allison faced struggles with body image, bulimia, and the perfectionism in Mormon culture. She went through two disciplinary councils questioning her worthiness. Despite this, Allison broke free from Mormon patriarchy, graduated from Columbia University, raised a child as a single mother, and became a therapist. Her story is a powerful example of empowerment, breaking down patriarchy, and discovering oneself beyond Mormonism.

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Renegade Apostle: Hugh B. Brown’s early attempts to lift the priesthood and temple ban | Ep. 1928

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 12 Aug 2024 18:00:00 GMT

Join us today as we discuss the priesthood and temple ban with historian Matthew Harris. Today we will discuss Hugh B. Brown and his attempts to lift the priesthood and temple ban for black members of the church. Hugh B. Brown was an attorney and joined the First Presidency in 1963. He made countless efforts to convince the Brethren that the ban on blacks should be lifted and even told the New York Times that there was a strong possibility the ban would soon be removed. This response caused a great deal of problems at Church Headquarters.

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Mormon Church Loses Battle Over Proposed Fairview Texas Temple | Ep. 1927

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 09 Aug 2024 18:00:00 GMT

Today we are joined with Rebecca Bibliotheca and Landon Brophy (both of Mormonish Podcast) to discuss the breaking news over the proposed Mormon temple in Fairview, Texas.

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Mormons Explain Ballerina Farm, Hannah Neeleman, and the Trad Wife Movement | Ep. 1926

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 08 Aug 2024 13:33:03 GMT

Join us as a panel of Mormon women come together to discuss the controversies surrounding Hannah Neeleman, a ballerina who embraced the "tradwife" lifestyle. Critics argue that this lifestyle limits women's choices and reinforces patriarchal norms. Our panelists share their personal stories and reflections, addressing the challenges and regrets associated with the trad wife ideal in Mormonism.

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Leaving the Mormon Church to Save My Family - Elisha Lee | Ep. 1925

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 05 Aug 2024 17:00:00 GMT

Elisha Lee takes us on an emotional journey through her life from experiencing her parents' divorce as a child to facing intense shame and scrutiny as a teenager. She shares raw accounts of bishop interviews, religious scrupulosity, and the pressure to conform to church standards. As a young adult, Elisha threw herself into church devotion, only to later confront doubts that would unravel her faith. Her candid reflections on marriage, parenthood, and personal growth in the wake of leaving Mormonism offer valuable insights for anyone navigating religious transitions. This interview explores the complexities of deconstructing one's faith while finding new meaning and authentic relationships beyond the church.

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How Modern Mormons Still Defend Racist Scripture | LDS Discussions 56 | Ep. 1924

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 02 Aug 2024 18:00:00 GMT

Can ancient scripture be reinterpreted to erase racism? Mormon apologists are attempting just that with controversial 'skin of blackness' passages in the Book of Mormon. But can these efforts stand up to historical scrutiny, or do they merely obscure uncomfortable truths? Critics argue it whitewashes history and denies lived experiences. Join us as we critically examine how modern LDS apologists attempt to explain away racist teachings in early Mormon history and scripture by comparing their modern interpretations with the information they avoid most strenuously--the original words and primary sources of the doctrines to begin with.

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Church Educators Fired for Opposing Mormon Racism | Ep. 1923

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 31 Jul 2024 18:00:00 GMT

In the 1950s and 60s, the Mormon church faced internal turmoil as a group of intellectuals known as the "Swearing Elders" challenged orthodox doctrines. This clash between free-thinking scholars and conservative leaders like Joseph Fielding Smith led to attempts at excommunication, spy infiltration, and the firing of liberal educators. Amidst this tension, Church President David O. McKay emerged as an unexpected protector of intellectual freedom. The period also saw the church grappling with civil rights issues and racial policies, as public pressure forced leaders to confront their teachings. This tumultuous era set the stage for decades of struggle between faith, scholarship, and authority in Mormonism.

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My Mormon Mission Gave me PTSD - Rian Anderson | Ep. 1922

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 29 Jul 2024 18:00:00 GMT

As the first to be “born in the covenant” to convert parents, Rian Anderson's world revolved around the Church, until her mission became a crucible of mental anguish and familial tension. Expecting her experience to be one based on love and service, Rian was instead met with strict rules, surveillance, and spiritual turmoil as she continually felt forced to act against her own conscience & integrity. Through it all, Rian found support through weekly calls with her family, which she cherished. That is, until her family’s mounting concern for Rian’s welfare coincided with their loss of faith in the church.

The oppressive atmosphere coupled with isolation due to the initial rise of COVID began to take its toll on her mental and physical health, neither of which were adequately addressed. Amid despair over her family's disaffection from Church, Rian experienced a burst ovarian cyst, an incredibly painful condition that can have severe complications. Instead of being advised to go to the hospital, she was made to wait it out instead, and as she began to battle depression and suicidal thoughts, her mission leaders' response was shocking: accusations of pride and instructions to cut ties with her doubting family.

Certain that their concern for Rian’s spiritual well-being was superior to the love her “fallen” family had to offer back home, her Mission President and his wife insert themselves as surrogate parents for the remainder of her mission and beyond. Despite this initial interference, Rian finds herself facing her own faith crisis. As she considers what the actions of her “mission parents” truly cost her, Rian discovers for herself the real meaning of family, and her family had it all along.

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Top Mormon Leaders Blame God for Segregation | Ep. 1921

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 25 Jul 2024 18:00:00 GMT

Join with us today as we continue to discuss the history of racism in the Mormon church with historian Matt Harris. We will discuss segregation in Utah, including blood banks, hotels, in Relief Societies, etc. In the 1950s a talk was given by Mormon leader Mark E. Petersen that generated a lot of backlash from critics. Matt Harris gives an insider's view into the minds of these Mormon leaders and how they were not all in agreement with the priesthood and temple ban.

Mark E. Peterson's Talk: Race Problems As They Affect The Church : Internet Archive

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Mormon Tithing Class-Action Lawsuit Explained! - Plaintiffs Allege Fraud | Ep. 1920

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 22 Jul 2024 22:15:00 GMT

In this episode, we will dive deep into the unfolding legal action surrounding The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon Church) and its financial practices. Multiple lawsuits alleging fraud over tithing will be consolidated into a high-stakes class action case, accusing the church and its investment arm, Ensign Peak Advisors, of misleading members about the use of their donations. We will break down the complexities of the case, exploring how plaintiffs from across the nation are coming together to challenge the church's financial transparency and demand accountability for what they claim is a multibillion-dollar "slush fund."Firm representing the lawsuit: https://www.seegerweiss.com/https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2024/07/20/new-class-action-case-over-tithing/

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High-Ranking Leader Leaves Mormon Church: The Second Anointing | Ep. 1919

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 19 Jul 2024 18:00:00 GMT

As part of our mini-series on Mormonism's Second Anointing Ritual, we are re-releasing part of Hans and Birgitta's original interview discussing their participation in this exclusive ceremony. ⁠Hans H. Mattsson⁠ is a 3rd generation LDS church member from Sweden who served as a bishop and stake president in Sweden before serving in the LDS church 3rd Quorum of the Seventy from 2000-2005 in the Europe Central area under LDS Apostle L. Tom Perry. After discovering troubling information about the Church's history and truth claims, the Mattssons, along with many Swedish saints wanted answers, leading up to the Church's infamously poor attempt to keep them in the fold, now known as "the Swedish Rescue."

Truth Seeking with Hans & Birgitta Mattsson:

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Remembering the Swedish Rescue:

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Revealing The Secret Mormon Report That Shattered Racist Doctrine | Ep. 1918

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 15 Jul 2024 18:00:00 GMT

Join us today as we discuss Mormon the priesthood and temple ban with historian Matt Harris. We will be talking about missionary work in South Africa, patriarchal blessings for black individuals, the removal of church leaders because of their ancestry, and the notes from the top secret meeting that came to be known as the Bennion report. Nate Byrd of the Black Menaces is joining us today to share his perspective.

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Receiving the Second Anointing and then Leaving Mormonism - Tom Phillips (Rebroadcast) | Ep. 1917

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 12 Jul 2024 18:00:00 GMT

In this compelling rebroadcast (first time on youtube), we revisit John Dehlin's 2012 interview with Tom Phillips, a U.K. convert and former LDS stake president whose close friendships with LDS leaders like Harold Hillam, Gordon Hinkley, Russel Ballard, and Jeffrey Holland likely led to the invitation to receive the religion's most exclusive ordinance, the Second Anointing. However, Tom's journey would soon take an unexpected turn after taking part in the secretive ritual which would have repercussions for his place among the community and even his own family.

Since the original episode, an intriguing twist has emerged: Tom's son, Alan, has ascended to the role of General Authority in the Church, despite his father's well-documented disaffection. This development adds a poignant layer to an already complex narrative of faith, doubt, and family dynamics within the LDS Church.

Whether you're hearing this story for the first time or revisiting it with fresh ears, Tom Phillips' journey continues to resonate, raising thought-provoking questions about faith, truth, and the accountability and privilege of Mormonism's top leaders.

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Black Mormons Respond to LDS Priesthood and Temple Ban | Ep. 1916

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 08 Jul 2024 18:00:00 GMT

Today we are joined by Dr. Darron Smith, Summur-Rayn Barrett, and Nate Byrd of Black Menaces to react to the first three episodes with Matt Harris. Their commentary unpacks Joseph Smith's complex racial attitudes, Brigham Young's implementation of the priesthood ban, and the painful legacy of racist doctrines. Their candid discussion highlights the urgent need for accountability within the Mormon church and grapples with the lasting impact of this racial discrimination.

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Was Utah Jazz Draft Pick Kyle Filipowski Groomed by his Mormon Girlfriend? | Ep. 1915

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 03 Jul 2024 01:43:50 GMT

Tonight we will be discussing one of the biggest surprises of the 2024 NBA Draft - the fall of Duke forward Kyle Filipowski. Filipowski is a skilled 7-foot big man, two-time All-ACC selection and All-American in 2024. He was projected as a first-round pick by many accounts, but ended up being chosen as the second pick of the second round. Most are blaming Kyle's Mormon girlfriend - Caitlin Hutchison (8 years his senior) - and accusing her of grooming him as an adult while he was a child/teenager.

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The Dark Side of Mormon College Towns (Rexburg, Provo) - Courtney Kimpel ft. Hayley Rawle | Ep. 1914

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 02 Jul 2024 18:21:18 GMT

Hayley and Courtney bravely unmask the devastating impacts of sexual shaming in the LDS Church. Representing Provo and Rexburg, two cities with highly dense Mormon populations, Courtney & Hayley reveal how dogmatic teachings warp self-worth and consent. This raw conversation offers validation and healing for those grappling with religious sexual shame, charting a path toward self-acceptance and empowerment.

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Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 12 Jun 2024 17:00:00 GMT

John Dehlin is in the hot seat again, this time with Graham Martin’s podcast, The Cross Examiner. Graham takes on the case of Rationality vs Religion using his experience as a lawyer to examine claims, making his listeners the “jury.”

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"Not One-Drop" of African Blood - Brigham Young’s Curse of Cain Doctrine | Ep. 1906

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 10 Jun 2024 18:00:00 GMT

In this new series on Mormon Leadership, historian Matt Harris discusses Mormonism's early racism, focusing on the priesthood and temple ban for Black members. He explores the church's opposition to civil rights, the experiences of Black Latter-day Saints like Jane Manning James and Elijah Abel, and the evolving theology around race. Harris challenges misconceptions about prophetic revelation and the origins of the ban, shedding light on this complex and painful history.

We will be hosting a Tennessee meet-up on 5/24/24 thru 5/26/2024. It will be super casual.

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1905: Witnesses Roundup & Finale - LDS Discussions Ep 55

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 07 Jun 2024 17:00:00 GMT

Julia joins the team again to examine the fates of the alleged witnesses to the golden plates of the Book of Mormon, revealing a trail of broken testimonies, apostasies and bizarre offshoots. Nearly all the witnesses later followed eccentric claimants like James Strang, raising serious credibility issues. By scrutinizing discrepancies in accounts, shifting narratives around Joseph Smith's "translating power," and the rich local history of buried plate legends, Julia builds a powerful case challenging the orthodox story behind Mormonism's foundational scripture.

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Tennessee Mormon Bishop Confronts LDS Stake President - Nathan Hinckley | Ep. 1899

Dr. John Dehlin — Sat, 18 May 2024 22:00:00 GMT

Join us today as we interview Tennessee Mormon Bishop Nathan Hinckley as he shares with us:

His recent LDS faith deconstruction
How he shared his thoughts on the internet, leading to an invitation to meet with is LDS Stake President
The surprising outcome of their "confrontation."

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1898: Additional "Witnesses" of the Book of Mormon Gold Plates | LDS Discussions Ep. 54

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 17 May 2024 17:00:00 GMT

In this riveting interview, @nemothemormon and @analyzingmormonism are back to delve into the lesser-known accounts surrounding the plates of the Book of Mormon. Witness testimonies, some published decades after the events, paint a conflicting picture of the plates' appearance, size, and the circumstances under which they were allegedly shown. From the curious case of Josiah Stoll, who claimed to be the first to handle the plates, to Mary Whitmer's visionary encounter with an enigmatic figure, "Brother Nephi," who purportedly showed her the plates, we explore the enduring myths of Mormonism's foundational narrative.

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Mormon LGBT PURGE? Excommunication of 5 Lesbian Couples | Ep. 1897

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 15 May 2024 16:09:00 GMT

Join us today as we discuss the shocking wave of excommunications hitting at least five married lesbian couples in the Mormon Church across the US. These events stand in stark contrast to what we thought was a hopeful shift in welcoming LGBT married couples in the Church.

Here are a few questions for the Church:

What happened?
Is the right to preserve one's membership intact a privilege reserved only for select LGBT Mormons?
How is the Church guiding these decisions?
Are divine revelations to local leaders influenced by the affluence of their congregations?
Is God giving different revelations depending on the level of backlash anticipated from local members?

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Mormons Respond to Kevin Franke | Ep. 1896

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 10 May 2024 20:30:00 GMT

John Dehlin is joined by Natasha Helfer and Janae Thompson to discuss and react to Kevin Franke's second police interview in the controversial child ab*se case surrounding his former wife, Ruby Franke, and their LDS therapist, Jodi Hildebrandt.

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1895: How Credible Were the Book of Mormon's EIGHT Witnesses? LDS Discussions Ep. 53

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 09 May 2024 17:00:00 GMT

Were the 8 witnesses to Joseph Smith's golden plates actually credible? Or just gullible relatives caught up in his delusion? Shockingly candid statements from witnesses like Hiram Page and John Whitmer seem to contradict and undermine official LDS teachings about their testimonies. What are the implications of the past witnesses on today’s modern church?

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Relief Society President Stays Active after Losing Mormon Faith (PIMO) - Shannon Lamb | Ep. 1894

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 06 May 2024 17:00:00 GMT

In this captivating interview, Shannon Lamb takes us on a profound journey through her experiences within the Mormon faith, unveiling the intricate tapestry of her personal and spiritual evolution. Shannon's narrative is a thought-provoking exploration of the complexities surrounding sexuality, gender roles, and institutional authority within the Church. Her courageous questioning of long-held beliefs, her encounters with Church leaders, and her advocacy for a more inclusive and compassionate community paint a vivid portrait of a woman determined to navigate the path between tradition and progress.

Come Together: The Science (and Art!) of Creating Lasting Sexual Connections: Nagoski, Emily

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Creating Lasting Sexual Connections - Emily Nagoski’s Come Together | Ep. 1893

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 29 Apr 2024 20:30:00 GMT

From the author of Come as You Are and co-author of Burnout comes an illuminating exploration of how to maintain a happy sex life in a long-term relationship in her new book "Come Together." She advocates removing cultural stigmas around sexuality, openly communicating desires, prioritizing sex as a spiritual practice of connection, and exploring ethical non-monogamy if desired. Countering the notion that sex is a biological need, Nagoski frames it as a journey of vulnerability, presence and continually re-defining mutual pleasure with your partner.

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Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 18 Apr 2024 21:00:00 GMT

In a shocking true crime saga intertwined with Mormonism, Chad Daybell's defense team attempts to portray his beliefs as mainstream LDS teachings, sparking outrage as they seemingly blame the church for his alleged heinous acts. Prosecutors challenge this strategy, exposing the uniquely twisted interpretations that may have led to the tragic deaths of two innocent children. Brace yourself for a gripping exploration of religion, cults, and the chilling consequences of unchecked extremism.

CRASH COURSE: CHAD DAYBELL TRIAL - All you need to know about the doomsday prophet

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Deconstructing Mormonism in a Mixed-Faith Marriage: Summur-Rayn Berrett Pt. 2 | Ep. 1888

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 17 Apr 2024 17:00:00 GMT

Just when you thought Summur's faith transition couldn't get any more intense, buckle up for a mind-blowing ride in part 2. From uncovering disturbing details in the Gospel Topics Essays that left her questioning everything she knew, to grappling with the church's dishonesty about its history and finances, to watching her oldest daughter develop scrupulosity, Summur holds nothing back. Her brutally honest account of deconstructing her lifelong beliefs is equal parts heartbreaking and empowering. You'll be on the edge of your seat as she navigates the challenges of a mixed-faith marriage, learning how to have open and loving discussions despite diverging worldviews. Summur's raw vulnerability and unrelenting search for truth and meaning will leave you reflecting on your own spiritual journey long after the interview ends.

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Returning to Mormonism after Falling Away - Summur-Rayn Berrett Pt. 1 | Ep. 1887

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 15 Apr 2024 17:00:00 GMT

What happens when a multiracial woman raised in a loving family that valued advocacy, positivity, and education joins the Mormon church? Summur's fascinating journey takes you from her NFL player father desegregating a team, to her mother fiercely protecting her from bullies and racism. Despite nurturing experiences at home, Summur faced harsh judgments and segregationist attitudes at church - a stark contrast that began shaping her doubts. Her path winds through BYU, an African American Studies class that unveiled new perspectives, and a traumatic racist cop incident, before working as a flight attendant and meeting her husband.

With a unique multicultural lens, Summur shares the powerful family influences, eye-opening experiences, and pivotal moments like a young girl's innocent "Look mommy, a Lamanite" comment that led her to fundamentally question certain Mormon teachings and toxic cultures like purity culture. Prepare for an insightful, thought-provoking journey through the eyes of a Black Mormon woman.

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1886: Are the 3 Witnesses to the Book of Mormon Credible? w/ LDS Discussions

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 12 Apr 2024 17:00:00 GMT

Julia, Nemo, and Mike are back to discuss the varying accounts of the three men who supposedly saw Joseph's "gold plates" that eventually became the Book of Mormon. What did they say about what they REALLY saw?

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Book of Mormon Evidence? Saudi Gold Plates are Forgeries w/ Bible Scholar Dan McClellan | Ep. 1885

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 08 Apr 2024 19:00:00 GMT

Last week Book of Mormon apologists declared victory when it was revealed on an evangelical Christian podcast that ancient gold plates were allegedly discovered in Saudi Arabia - in their minds, validating the Joseph Smith/Gold Plates/Book of Mormon/Nephites narrative. Today Bible scholar Dan McClellan returns to Mormon stories to show us the evidence as to why the Saudi Gold Plates are a forgery.

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LDS General Conference April 2024 Review w/ Nemo | Ep. 1884

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 08 Apr 2024 15:00:00 GMT

Buckle up for a whirlwind tour of April 2024's LDS General Conference with Nemo the Mormon! From plagiarized Buddhist parables to putting the Church between individuals and Christ, from "goodbye" speeches to garment controversies that just won't die, Nemo breaks down all the highs, lows, and did-he-really-just-say-thats of this spring's conference. His rapid-fire, no-holds-barred commentary is a whirlwind of insightful analysis packaged with plenty of witty asides. Brace yourself for one turbulent yet utterly fascinating ride through the wacky world of General Conferences!

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Mormons Explain Ruby Franke's Journal - w/ Julie Louise @julielouise1975 | Ep. 1883

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 03 Apr 2024 20:00:00 GMT

In today's episode, we are diving into some of the most shocking Mormon-themed entries from Ruby Franke's journal with the well-known true crime and news TikTokker, Julie Louise. Gerardo and John will break down the journal's themes, looking at how they tie back to Latter-day Saint doctrine and practices. Julie knows the Franke/Hildebrandt story inside out, but is a never-Mormon. Combined we hope to provide top-notch commentary and insights as we walk through these pages together.

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David Archuleta's Hell Together, Women and Garments, Vegas Temple Payoffs | Newscast 015 | Ep. 1882

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 01 Apr 2024 23:00:00 GMT

In this week's program, we take a look at the return to past instruction on the Mormon Undergarment as the new status quo and take a look at the aftermath of the Church's misstep on female Power & Authority. The newest creation of David Archuleta as well as other Mormon News will round out the show! Don't forget to like and subscribe!

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Isaiah & Mormonism - David Bokovoy Pt. 5 | Ep. 1881

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 28 Mar 2024 17:00:00 GMT

David Bokovoy delves into Isaiah's significance in Mormon scripture, prophecy, and current events with an emphasis on understanding biblical prophets as social critics, not predictors of distant future events. We discuss scholarly debates on Isaiah's authorship and anachronistic references like brass plates, clarifying that the writings of Isaiah as known today did not exist in Isaiah's time.

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Do Mormon Women have More Power & Authority than Those of Other Faiths? | Ep. 1880

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 25 Mar 2024 15:00:00 GMT

In a recent broadcast, one of the top female leaders of the Mormon church made the following statement, “There is no other religious organization in the world that I know of, that has so broadly given power and authority to women.” (J. Anette Dennis, 1st Counselor in the LDS Church Relief Society General Presidency). Please join Amy McPhie Allebest (Breaking Down Patriarchy), Chelsea Homer (Lost & Found Club) and musical artist Mindy Gledhill as they discuss their reactions to this statement, and their experiences as women in the LDS/Mormon church.

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Instagram Firestorm Over LDS Women's Devotional | Ep. 1879

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 22 Mar 2024 18:00:00 GMT

Join us today for a panel discussion on this week's firestorm over J. Anette Dennis's sermon broadcast to women of the church, which was uploaded to the LDS Church's official Instagram account. Panelists include: Julia Sanders, Celeste Davis, Samantha Shelley, and Alyssa Witbeck.

This riveting interview takes a deep dive into the church's recent Women's Devotional - an event intended to empower female members but one that generated significant controversy. Hear candid analysis unpacking the mixed messaging around their supposed "power and authority", and the perceived dissonance between leader's rhetoric and the reality of women's restricted roles. No topic is off-limits in this thought-provoking look at how the devotional aimed to honor women's divine roles while still upholding traditional male leadership.

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How to Become a Guest on Mormon Stories Podcast

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 21 Mar 2024 17:58:00 GMT

Hey everyone! We have revamped our process for becoming a guest on Mormon Stories Podcast. We are currently seeking panelists for a number of upcoming panels including a Relief Society Presidents panel, a Bishops Wives panel, a "Recently Returned LDS Missionary" panel, a "lost my faith in the last year" panel, a "Left the church recently BEFORE serving a mission" panel, and a "Never Mormon" panel....amongst many others. We are also always on the lookout for traditional, long form Mormon stories with Mormons who were "in it to win it" - and for other unique Mormon stories. Click the link below for more details, and to apply to be on Mormon Stories Podcast.

Healing & Joy Beyond Mormonism - David Bokovoy Pt. 4 | Ep. 1878

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 20 Mar 2024 17:00:00 GMT

Ever wonder what happens when a faithful Mormon Bible scholar has a crisis of faith and steps away from the religion he dedicated his life to? David Bokovoy's candid interview takes you on a riveting personal journey from staunch believer to "spiritual atheist." He pulls no punches in describing how the Church's controversial 2015 LGBTQ+ policy shattered his worldview, leading him to lose his testimony and leave Mormonism behind. With raw honesty and hard-won wisdom, he shares profound insights about the transformative power of education from his work in prison rehabilitation. He grapples with weighty questions of free will, authenticity, and human connection.

You'll be captivated by his stories of finding the "Holy Ghost" outside of religion, confronting trauma through therapy, and continually evolving his understanding of truth. Brimming with thought-provoking perspectives on everything from ADHD to patriarchy to psychedelics, Bokovoy's interview is a must-see for anyone on their own journey of self-discovery beyond rigid belief systems.

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Are Mormon Scriptures Historical? David Bokovoy Pt. 3 (Remastered Classic) | Ep. 1877

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 18 Mar 2024 17:00:00 GMT

David Bokovoy is back to apply higher criticism to Mormon scripture. Today's focus is the Book of Mormon & Pearl of Great Price which have been remastered from previous interviews 1020-1022.

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Is the Bible Historical? David Bokovoy Pt. 2 (Remastered Classic) | Ep. 1876

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 15 Mar 2024 17:00:00 GMT

David Bokovoy is back to apply higher criticism to Mormon scripture. Today's focus is the Old & New Testaments, which have been remastered from previous interviews 1019, 1020, and 1022.

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Bible Scholar Rethinks Mormonism - David Bokovoy (Remastered Classic) | Ep. 1875

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 12 Mar 2024 18:18:00 GMT

Note: This interview is a remastered version of episodes 1013-1016 with David Bokovoy done in 2018. In these highly-anticipated episodes of Mormon Stories Podcast, we interview David Bokovoy - one of Mormonism's leading Bible scholars. David has an MA from Brandeis University in Jewish Studies and a Ph.D. in Hebrew Bible and the Ancient Near East. He worked for the LDS Church Education System for 18 years, was chaplain at Harvard University, and taught LDS Institute at Harvard, Wellesley, and MIT. He is the author of 2 books including Authoring the Old Testament: Genesis-Deuteronomy, dozens of articles, and was a co-founder of the Mormon Interpreter with Daniel C. Peterson.

This interview focuses on David's personal faith journey, including his fascinating story of falling in love with the Hebrew language and deeply studying the Bible—to forgoing a possibly more lucrative academic career to move to Utah to teach in the Church Educational System.

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BYU-Idaho Disinvites Jazz Professor for his Loss of LDS Belief - Ryan Nielsen | Ep. 1874

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 07 Mar 2024 16:00:00 GMT

World renowned Jazz musician and professor Dr. Ryan Nielsen was recently disinvited from speaking at BYU-Idaho jazz fest as punishment for telling his story on Mormon Stories podcast.

Additional Resources mentioned in the episodes:

Ryan's AMAZING faith crisis/transition Reading/Podcast list can be found here, and has also been included below, after the video and audio links. This is probably the most impressive and thoughtful resources list I've ever seen for Mormon/religious faith transitions.
Holly's Art: This link goes straight to the art Holly has done related to her faith transition, and her reclamation of motherhood.
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Healing from Aunt Jodi - Jessi Hildebrandt's Update | Ep. 1873

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 04 Mar 2024 23:00:00 GMT

Join us as Jessi Hildebrandt, Jodi Hildebrandt's niece, updates the Mormon Stories audience on the healing and growth they have experienced after telling their story on Mormon Stories Podcast.

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Abraham Lincoln and the Book of Mormon: Tim Ballard’s Lincoln Hypothesis | Ep. 1872

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 28 Feb 2024 18:00:00 GMT

Join Julia Sanders and John Dehlin as the explore the plausibility of Tim Ballard’s “Lincoln Hypothesis” - which is that the Book of Mormon inspired Abraham Lincoln to free American slaves.

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U.K. Brothers in Mormon Faith Crisis - Richard & Julian Heath | Ep. 1871

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 27 Feb 2024 16:00:00 GMT

Nemo from @NEMOTHEMORMON is back to produce another UK episode! Strap in for an epic UK Mormon Stories interview!

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1870: Satan in Mormonism w/ John Larsen

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 23 Feb 2024 16:00:00 GMT

John Larsen explores the role of Satan in Mormon theology, including his origins, powers, and purpose. Key topics discussed are the problems of evil and human agency, Mormon concepts of the afterlife, the elaborate powers ascribed to Satan, theological issues like why an all-powerful God would allow Satan to thrive or even reward him in the end. Larsen argues these issues point to flaws in the Mormon Plan of Salvation and suggests Satan must be part of the Godhead, concluding that Mormon doctrines concerning Satan lead to profound philosophical problems in Mormon theology.

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1869: Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt Sentenced to Prison w/ Lauren Mathias

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 20 Feb 2024 20:30:00 GMT

Breaking News - Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt Sentenced to Prison. Today we are joined by Lauren Mathias of Hidden True Crime podcast.

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1868: Leaving Mormonism in Las Vegas - Shelise Sola of “Cults to Consciousness”

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 19 Feb 2024 16:00:00 GMT

Shelise Sola discusses her life journey of being raised in the Mormon church, including the purity culture, self-worth struggles, and sexual trauma she experienced. She shares about having a faith crisis in her 20s after learning disturbing historical truths about the church, feeling liberated yet terrified, and rebuilding an identity outside of Mormonism. Sola also opens up about confronting childhood abuse memories, finding healing through experiences with psychedelics and embracing her voice by starting a podcast to support others leaving high-demand groups.

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1867: Reflections of a Mormon Historian - Sandra Tanner Reviews "Chosen Path"

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 16 Feb 2024 16:00:00 GMT

In this wide-ranging interview, Sandra Tanner discusses her complex history with D. Michael Quinn, from being arch-enemies due to their clashing views on Mormon history, to gaining an appreciation for Quinn's tireless research into difficult aspects of LDS history, even as she remains puzzled by his persistent belief in Mormonism despite uncovering many factual problems. Sandra highlights Quinn's lifelong quest to reconcile his faith with the uncomfortable realities he uncovered, his struggles with Church leadership over his historical writings, the irony of him publishing an anti-Tanner pamphlet, and the sadness of his eventual excommunication which rejected both him as a person due to his sexuality and his meticulously researched historical analysis which the Church disliked. Ultimately, Sandra expresses a wish that Quinn was still alive to have an open discussion given their intertwined, conflicted past.

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1866: Secrets of a Mormon Historian: Michael Quinn's "Chosen Path | MSP Book Club

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1855: New Female Latter Day Prophet - The Mormon Newscast Ep. 6

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 23 Jan 2024 00:00:00 GMT

Welcome to the Mormon NewsCast! Topics for today include:

New Female Mormon prophet called by Community of Christ.
LDS wards share meeting space with LGBTQ congregation.
Mormon apostles Jeffrey R. Holland declares victory.
The 10 Commandments back in school in Utah?
Utah the Online Wedding Capital?
Can Mormon clergy report abuse?

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1854: Polygamy & Abortion in Joseph Smith’s Nauvoo - John C. Bennett Pt 2 w/ LDS Discussions Ep. 50

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 19 Jan 2024 18:00:00 GMT

In this episode, we expose the layers of Bennett's role in divulging Joseph's polygamous secrets. From secret women's organizations with captivating names like Cyprian Saints to the complex web of polygamous relationships, we journey through a fascinating exploration of historical allegations and denials. Brace yourself for a captivating ride through the world of John C. Bennett, where accusations, clandestine affairs, and the shadowy specter of abortionist connections add layers of complexity to this historical puzzle.

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1853: Mormon Church Hires LGBT Ally as Head Spokesman - The Mormon Newscast Ep. 5

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 16 Jan 2024 00:00:00 GMT

This week we tackle the polarizing news that the Mormon church has hired an LGBTQ ally, the Church makes a brewing company change the name of a beer, Chad Daybell's legal counsel withdraws due to lack of funds, and new criminal allegations emerge against controversial Mormon figure Tim Ballard.

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1851: How to Leave the Mormon Church - Alyssa Grenfell Pt. 2

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 12 Jan 2024 17:00:00 GMT

Alyssa Grenfell is the author of a brand new book called "How to Leave the Mormon Church: An Exmormon’s Guide to Rebuilding After Religion." Today she will be sharing with us her Top 10 tips on how to leave Mormonism.

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1850: Why this Former Mormon Missionary Stopped Believing - Alyssa Grenfell Pt. 1

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 11 Jan 2024 22:00:00 GMT

1846: The Church Bought My Silence - Chelsea Goodrich

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 20 Dec 2023 18:00:00 GMT

Content warning: mentions of abuse, incest, drugging.

In this interview, Chelsea Goodrich details years of sexual abuse by her father, former Mormon bishop John Goodrich, beginning when she was a young child. When confronted in 2015, John admitted the abuse to both Chelsea's mother and their Mormon leaders. However, the church failed to act to protect Chelsea, support victims, or warn others. John faced excommunication but no criminal charges due to statute of limitations. In 2017, another victim came forward alleging John drugged and raped her. Despite evidence, prosecutors eventually only tried John for illegal drugging. Meanwhile, John remarried and had access to grandchildren, prompting safety concerns for Chelsea. Desperate, Chelsea and her mother sought help from church representative Paul Rytting only to be offered settlement money and asked to sign nondisclosure agreements.

Ultimately, Chelsea decides to go public to protect other potential victims from a predator still left free. Her story exposes the patterns of coverups, victim blaming, inaction, and secrecy in the Mormon church around abuse.

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1844: 8 Passengers' Ruby Franke Pleads Guilty w/ Lauren Matthias of Hidden True Crime

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 19 Dec 2023 18:00:00 GMT

1841: How the Mormon Church Protects Itself from Abuse Claims

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 05 Dec 2023 16:48:00 GMT

Today two important AP News stories broke: - Recordings show how the Mormon church protects itself from child sex abuse claims: https://apnews.com/article/mormon-chu...

- Takeaways from The AP’s investigation into the Mormon church’s handling of sex abuse cases: https://apnews.com/article/mormon-chu...

And the Deseret News issued a response: https://www.deseret.com/2023/12/3/239...

Please join us at 6pm mountain today as Rebecca Bibliotheca (Mormonish Podcast), Bill Reel and Radio Free Mormon (Mormonism Live!), and John Dehlin (Mormon Stories Podcast) share recent news from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

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Mormon Stories Podcast at a Crossroads

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 28 Nov 2023 21:19:00 GMT

Mormon Stories Podcast is truly at a crossroads. We have had our highest impact year of all time (by far) in 2023, but we have also lost several recurring donors that have not been replaced by new donors. We have also been the subject of fierce attacks that have been extremely expensive financially, and in terms of time and emotional energy.

We are currently at the point of possibly needing to reduce our efforts, unless at least a few hundred monthly donors step up to replace the donors we lost over the past two years.

If you find value in Mormon Stories podcast - either for yourself or for the broader community - please consider becoming a monthly donor today.

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1840: Confronting Nihilism After Mormonism w/ Brittney Hartley

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 27 Nov 2023 18:00:00 GMT

In this interview, we delve into Brittney Hartley's journey as an Atheist spiritual director, exploring her Mormon upbringing, faith crisis, and profound shifts in beliefs. From being kicked out of home at 16 to grappling with Mormon doctrine and culture at BYU-Idaho, Brittney's story navigates her loss of faith, teaching seminary, raising kids outside the Church, and finding herself in nihilism's depths.

1837: Escaping the Latter Day Church of Christ w/ Amanda Rae

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 16 Nov 2023 18:00:00 GMT

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The Kingston Group, founded by Elden Kingston, has a complex hierarchy where Ortell emerged as a leader, introducing incestuous practices. From bloodline beliefs linking them to Jesus to intricate rules dictating marriages, the Order's control over its members is striking.

In this gripping interview with Amanda Rae, we dive deep into the secretive world of The Order, exploring its history, shocking practices, and the personal experiences of those raised within it. Amanda unveils the manipulation and trauma faced by women, the indoctrination of children in their schools, and the stark realities of life under polygamous marriages.

Revealing her own journey, Amanda shares her struggle for freedom and the challenges faced after leaving. Her recounting of institutionalized financial fraud, emotional manipulation, and attempts to break free from The Order's grip are both heart-wrenching and eye-opening. Tune in for an insider's perspective, confronting the darker aspects of cults, survival after leaving, and the ongoing healing process.

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1836: If Joseph got it right, who got it wrong? w/ LDS Discussions Ep. 48

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 10 Nov 2023 18:00:00 GMT

Does accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet require rejecting vast fields of science and scholarship?

Join us as we consider long-held assumptions about Joseph Smith and the truth claims of Mormonism. We highlight problematic beliefs like dark skin being a curse from God, Native Americans as a cursed and loathsome people, evolution and DNA studies being incompatible with LDS teachings, and linguistic, archaeological, and historical evidence contradicting the Book of Mormon's divine origins.

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1835: Mormon Billionaire Russell Brunson Exposes Lies of Apostle M. Russell Ballard and LDS Church

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 08 Nov 2023 22:40:00 GMT

Today we will contrast the Mormon church's claim the apostle M. Russell Ballard did not do anything to support OUR founder Tim Ballard, vs. Mormon millionaire Russell Brunson's public video acknowledging that Elder Ballard introduced Brunson to Ballard.

It appears as though both Elder Ballard and the LDS Church are deceiving both LDS church members and the general public.

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1834: Polygamy Under Brigham Young w/ Lindsay Hansen Park & Bryan Buchanan

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 06 Nov 2023 18:00:00 GMT

We explore the tumultuous history of Mormonism after Joseph Smith's death, including Brigham Young's succession and controversial doctrines like polygamy and blood atonement. Lindsay Hansen Park and Bryan Buchanan guide us through the schisms, scandals and sexual dynamics of this era, from the chaotic leadership struggles in Nauvoo to the restrictive culture of polygamy in Utah.

We examine how polygamy hindered missionary work and statehood, the harsh realities for women, the escalating conflicts with the US government, and the 1870s crackdown on plural marriage. Despite sympathizing with early Mormons, the hosts candidly critique problematic teachings and figures like Brigham Young. They argue that Mormonism still struggles from a reluctance to denounce past errors, which allows those harmful ideas to persist and hurt people today. This no-holds-barred journey illuminates a complex chapter of Mormon history.

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1830: Reconstruction After LDS Prepper-ism - Kim and Josh Coffin Pt. 3

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:00:00 GMT

Kim and Josh Coffin's candid discussion with John Dehlin delves into their journey of faith transition within the Mormon Church, exploring the challenges and triumphs of rebuilding their identities and relationships post-departure. Kim's exploration of her LGBTQIA identity, Josh's shift in parenting roles, and their mutual reframing of mental health and gender dynamics are emphasized. The interview highlights their shared experiences of loss, disassociation, and the transformation of their personal and communal beliefs. The Coffins' unwavering commitment to rediscovering authenticity and embracing personal growth serves as an inspiring narrative for those navigating the complexities of faith and identity within and beyond religious communities.

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1825: Visions of Glory, Thom Harrison, and Mormon Neo-Fundamentalism

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 17 Oct 2023 17:00:00 GMT

Today we will discuss someone described as the "spiritual leader" of alleged murders Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow, alleged abuser Tim Ballard, and recently-imprisoned Jodi Hildebrandt.

Thom Harrison is a prominent Utah therapist who published a book called "Visions of Glory" in 2012, focusing on three of his alleged near death experiences (including personal visitations from Jesus Christ). As has been uncovered over the past few years, Thom Harrison' and his book "Visions of Glory" have been highly influential across the Mormon "prepper" neo-fundamentalist community, and particularly in the lives and stories of Chad Daybell, Lori Vallow, Tim Ballard, Jodi Hildebrant, as well as other "preppers" such as Julie Rowe, Rod Meldrum, and alleged abuser-therapist Maurice Harker.

Part of what has made Visions of Glory so successful is that Thom (through the pseudonym Spencer) claims in his book that his visions were approved of by an un-named Mormon apostle (who now is known to be the late Neal A. Maxwell).

Finally, we will discuss how the Mormon church was made aware of Thom Harrison and his book in the 2012-2013 time period, and chose to promote Thom to bishop instead of to punish him and/or stop the publishing of his book.

Lauren Matthias (Hidden True Crime Podcast), Megan Connor (Lori Vallow's cousin), and Mindy Caldwell (Mormon super-sluether) will be joining us for this panel discussion.

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1824: The September Six and the Struggle for the Soul of Mormonism w/ Dr. Sara Patterson

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 13 Oct 2023 17:00:00 GMT

Book Club is back with Rebecca Bibliotheca! Joining her and John Dehlin is Dr. Sarah Patterson as she introduces us to her book on the “September Six”, a group of scholars and feminists excommunicated from the LDS Church in September 1993.

The interview examines the impact of excommunications, the power of the Church's stance on purity, and the consequences for members. Sarah also highlights the importance of remembering those who paved the way for open conversations and change within the Church.

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1823: The Reed Smoot Hearings w/ John Larsen

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 11 Oct 2023 17:00:00 GMT

From 1904-1907 Congress held a series of hearings on whether Reed Smoot, an LDS apostle who was elected to the Senate, should be seated. The hearing provide a deep look at Mormon practice, history and theology in the congressional record. These hearings and the controversies surrounding them remain a pivotal moment in Mormon History.

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1822: Mormon Apologetics: The Problems w/ LDS Discussions Ep. 46

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 06 Oct 2023 17:00:00 GMT

Mormon apologetics have been around ever since Mormonism has existed. Join with Mike, Nemo and John as they discuss the types of apologetics that members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints engage in and why they are all flawed.

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1821: Letter to My Mormon Child - Amy Lloyd Pt. 3

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 03 Oct 2023 17:00:00 GMT

Amy Lloyd condenses the CES Letter for teens, emphasizing the importance of informed consent in matters of faith. She delves into the Book of Mormon's origins, translation, and its value despite historical concerns and addresses foundational topics such as the First Vision, Book of Abraham, polygamy, and polyandry, shedding light on critical issues within the Church's history. This thoughtful discussion serves as a valuable resource for those navigating complex issues within the Mormon faith.

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1820: Tim Ballard's Alleged Excommunication

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 02 Oct 2023 19:15:00 GMT

Yesterday I reached out to one of my LDS bishop contacts to see if Tim Ballard still showed up as an active member in the "Tools for Leaders" web application. Today we will be sharing what they captured (child info redacted). Tim is no longer listed as head of household for his family. We will also provide a few more details about the Tim Ballard story and his excommunication.

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8 Passenger's Therapist: Court Order to Remove Adam Steed Interview & Call for Stories

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 29 Sep 2023 21:36:00 GMT

I have some sad and some possibly happy news to announce.

First the sad news.

Mormon Stories Podcast has just received today a temporary restraining order requiring us to take down our interview of Adam Paul Steed - the courageous whistleblower to Mormon church Boy Scout sexual abuse in Idaho, and one of the many victims of 8 Passengers Therapist Jodi Hildebrandt. We are not at liberty to discuss publicly the details of the restraining order at this time.

For those who were not yet able to see Adam Steed's interview, in it he focused on the following:

1) His story of courageously speaking up as a victim of Mormon-church backed child abuse in its Idaho Boy Scout program,
2) How he and his father fought to successful change the statue of limitation laws for child sexual abuse victims in Idaho,
3) How he and his young family (while at BYU) were referred to therapist Jodi Hildebrandt by his Mormon bishop,
4) How (by Adam's report) Jodi Hildebrandt destroyed both his reputation and his family, through various unethical therapy practices, including violating his confidentiality by reporting false and/or confidential information to the BYU Honor Code Office, leading to his suspension from BYU.
5) How he fought back against Jodi Hildebrandt by successfully getting Jodi Hildebrandt's license suspended. And finally,
6) Adam's firm belief that the Mormon church intentionally weaponized Jodi Hildebrandt and her tactics to destroy both his life and his family, in part as retaliation for his work as a Boy Scout abuse whistleblower within the Mormon church.

Because of the importance of Adam's story, we are heartbroken to have to take it down (for now). Especially after hearing from thousands of Mormons, post-Mormons, and never-Mormons who found Adam's story to be validating and/or healing.

Here's the good news: this week we are actively working with a few major media outlets to: 1) Give voice to the victims of Jodi Hildebrandt, of other Mormon church-recommended "sex addiction" therapists like "Sons of Helaman," "Fight the New Drug," and Lifestar, as well as and from the Mormon church's "Addiction and Recovery Program" targeting its members for "sex addiction." And: 2) Hold both the Mormon church and these unethical therapists including Jodi Hildebrandt accountable for their unethical malpractice.

Here's what we need from you: If you or someone you love has been harmed by either:

Jodi Hildebrandt,
a Mormon church-recommended "sex addiction" therapist (like Sons of Helaman or Lifestar), or
from the Mormon church's "Addiction and Recovery Program" (wherein healthy, normative behaviors were pathologized as "sex addiction"), please email your story as soon as possible to mormonstories@gmail.com.

In your email, please include the following sections:

The date range that you worked with these people. We are particularly interested in patients recommended to Jodi Hildebrandt and others like her AFTER 2012.
The names of the therapist(s) or you worked with.
Any detail you can provide about who recommended you (especially if a Mormon church bishop or leader).
A description of the unethical therapy practices and how they harmed you. And
A confirmation of whether or not you are willing to speak with a journalist, either on the record or off the record.

Again, please email this information to mormonstories@gmail.com as soon as you are able. Finally, we promise you that at Mormon Stories Podcast, we will do everything we can to:

Restore Adam Paul Steed's Mormon story,
Help you and other victims tell your stories about Jodi Hildebrandt and/or other unethical Mormon therapists, and practices, and
Help both the Mormon church and its unethical therapists and programs be held accountable for the harm that they have caused so many individuals and families. Sincerely, John Dehlin and the Mormon Stories Podcast Team

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1819: Tim Ballard's Alleged Victims Press Conference - The Couples Ruse

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 28 Sep 2023 17:56:00 GMT

Women alleging abuse during their time as employees and contractors of Operation Underground Railroad have retained Attorney Suzette Rasmussen as counsel. She will address the media with a statement on behalf of the alleged victims who have chosen to remain anonymous on Thursday.

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1815: Mormon Polygamy Under Joseph Smith

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 22 Sep 2023 17:00:00 GMT

In this engaging interview with historian Bryan Buchanan and Lindsay Hansen Park (Year of Polygamy Podcast) we delve into the complex history of Joseph Smith's controversial practice of polygamy. What evidence supports his multiple marriages, the experiences of his wives, and the implications of this aspect of Mormon history?

Throughout the interview, we emphasize the importance of nuanced historical analysis over apologetics, encouraging open and honest discussions about Mormon history, polygamy, and the broader impact of these topics on the faith's evolution and how it affects members today. This interview provides a thought-provoking exploration of the complexities within Mormon history and invites them to engage in constructive conversations about these issues.

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1814: New Allegations Against Tim Ballard

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 19 Sep 2023 17:15:00 GMT

In this interview with hosts John Dehlin and Gerardo Sumano, Tim Marchman and Anna Merlan discuss the controversies surrounding Tim Ballard and Operation Underground Railroad (OUR). They explore the origins of Vice News stories, scrutinize responses from Tim Ballard and the Mormon Church, and delve into troubling allegations against Tim Ballard. These include inappropriate behavior toward women and his association with M. Russell Ballard's name in connection with OUR.

The discussion reveals the challenges of responsible journalism when tackling sensitive topics like human trafficking. Marchman and Merlan highlight the complexities of undercover trafficking investigations and question the legitimacy of Tim Ballard's mission.

This interview emphasizes the need for transparency and thorough investigation when handling allegations that could impact organizations dedicated to combating human trafficking. It underscores the importance of rigorous journalistic practices in evaluating complex and sensitive subjects.

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1813: Mormon Church Condemns Tim Ballard

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 18 Sep 2023 17:15:00 GMT

Join us as we delve into the recent condemnation by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of Tim Ballard, founder of Operation Underground Railroad. The Church has distanced itself from Tim Ballard, citing unauthorized use of its name and activities deemed morally unacceptable. This condemnation adds a new layer to the controversy surrounding him, with implications for his potential 2024 U.S. Senate run.

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1812: Mormon Prophet, Russell M. Nelson's Teachings on Doubts w/ LDS Discussions Ep. 45

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 15 Sep 2023 17:00:00 GMT

1808: Niece of 8 Passengers' Mormon "Therapist" Jodi Hildebrandt Speaks Out - Jessi Hildebrandt

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 07 Sep 2023 14:15:00 GMT

Mormon therapist Jodi Hildebrandt is in jail along with "8 Passengers" mother Ruby Franke under allegations of child abuse. Jodi Hildebrandt is the founder of ConneXions Classroom - a program created to help Mormon couples, parents, and families "transform your mental health and relationships."

Jessi Hildebrandt (they/them) is Jodi Hildebrandt's niece and outlines a deeply disturbing history with their aunt Jodi Hildebrandt.

Please join us for Jessi's story.

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1807: The "Therapist" that Ruined 8 Passengers: Experts React

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 06 Sep 2023 21:15:00 GMT

Licensed Marriage, Family, and Sex Therapist Natasha Helfer and Psychology Ph.D. John Dehlin react to shocking videos from the ConneXions program founded by "therapist" Jodi Hildebrandt, who ran a partnership with Mormon mommy vlogger Ruby Franke. Both Jodi and Ruby have recently been arrested on suspicion of child abuse.

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1806: M.I.T. or Mormon Mission? - James Camacho

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 04 Sep 2023 18:00:00 GMT

Join us on a fascinating journey with hosts John & Margi Dehlin as we delve into the captivating life of our guest, James Camacho. From his upbringing in a devout Mormon family to becoming an atheist, James shares his struggles with belief, questioning authority, and seeking personal happiness. We explore how his perspective was shaped by his academic achievements and love for mathematics. Discover the eye-opening discussions about the Mormon bubble, doubts about serving a mission, and the profound impact of rationality camps. This interview is a thought-provoking exploration of informed consent, the quest for truth, and the pursuit of authenticity, sure to resonate with those who have grappled with doubt, sought rationality in belief systems, or navigated challenging conversations about faith with loved ones.

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1805: 8 Passengers Ruby Franke and "Therapist" Jodi Hildebrandt Arrested - The Mormon Angle

Dr. John Dehlin — Sat, 02 Sep 2023 21:13:00 GMT

Join John Dehlin and YouTubers Jordan and McKay (@jordanmckay) to discuss the recent arrest of Mormon YouTube Mom Ruby Franke of "8 Passengers" fame and Mormon therapist Jodi Hildebrandt on child abuse charges. We will be discussing the history of the Franke family and the 8 Passengers YouTube channel, as well as the super-controversial work of Jodi Hildebrandt as a Mormon therapist focusing on "sexual addiction" (i.e. masturbation), marriage counseling, and parenting. We welcome your stories as well!

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Miracle of Forgiveness Art Gala & Party - 9/16/2023

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 01 Sep 2023 21:45:00 GMT

Join LatterGayStories for a black-tie art gayla!

In 2014, the Mormon church stopped printing The Miracle of Forgiveness. By 2015 they began removing copies from their bookstore shelves at Deseret Book. Even though the printed version was culled, Deseret Book continued to sell digital-download copies of the book online.

In 2021, LatterGayStories started the #TrashTheStash movement, encouraging its audience to remove copies of The Miracle of Forgiveness from bookshelves, home libraries, church buildings, and thrift stores. In the first year, our audience removed nearly 6,000 copies of the book, an undertaking that was documented every Thursday on the LatterGayStories Facebook and Instagram pages.

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Now in its second year, we have collected over 8,000 copies of The Miracle of Forgiveness. On December 31, 2021, Deseret Book quietly deleted the online version of The Miracle of Forgiveness from their platform, thus ending the availability to purchase the book through official LDS sources. Reining since 1969 and selling more than 2,2 million printed and digital copies, the book is now fully discontinued.

What do we do with 8,000 copies of The Miracle of Forgiveness? We turn them into art!

For the second year in a row, we are inviting artists to create art pieces using reclaimed copies of The Miracle of Forgiveness. The art created from these books tell a story of the its harmful rhetoric and through the art comes healing, progress, and the ability to thrive.

JOIN US! September 16, 2023 | 7:00 PM at Trolley Square in Salt Lake City, for the black tie art gala!

We will have an open art exhibit displaying the art, a cocktail hour with drinks, hor d'oeuvres, a short program, and a private concert featuring EJ Michels to end the evening. Dust off the formal wear and join us for an awesome night.

Tickets are $35 | includes access to the exhibits, drinks, hor d'oeuvres, and the concert!

1804: Legendary Mormon Whistleblowers w/ John Larsen

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 01 Sep 2023 18:00:00 GMT

Since the beginning of the Church, there have been former members who turn whistle-blower and have written exposés. In this episode we will do a review of the most impactful of these through history.

1834 Mormonism Unvailed E.D. HOWE
1842 The History of the Saints or an Expose of Joe Smtih and Mormonism John C. Bennett
1844 Nauvoo Expositor William Law et al
1853 Biographical Sketches of Joseph Smith by His Progenitors Lucy Mack Smith
1855 Female Life Among the Mormons CH Clarke
1872 Exposé of Polygamy in Utah: A Lady’s Life among the Mormons Fanny Stenhouse
1873 The Rocky Mountain Saints: A Full and Complete History of the Mormons TBH Stenhouse
1876 Wife No 19 By Ann Eliza Young
1877 Mormonism Unveiled John D Lee
1904 Brigham's Destroying Angel: Being the Life, Confession, and Startling Disclosures of the Notorious Bill Hickman, the Danite Chief of Utah
1945 No Man Knows my History Fawn Brodie
1950 The Mountain Meadows Massacre Juanita Brooks
1963 Mormonism: Shadow or Reality? Jerald and Sandra Tanner
1985 Studies of the Book of Mormon BH Roberts
1994, 1997, 2017, The Mormon Hierarchy Series Micheal Quinn
2002 Insider’s View Grant Palmer
2005 Rough Stone Rolling Richard Bushman
2013 CES Letter Jeremy Runnells

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Overview of How the Church Handles Doubts (ldsdiscussions.com)

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In this eye-opening episode of LDS Discussions, Mike, John Dehlin, and Nemo the Mormon explore the Mormon church's approach to handling doubt. They take a brief historical journey into the realm of Mormon doubt and apologetics. We critically examine the church's framing of doubters as “unruly children” and labeling doubts that lead away from the church as “evil.” They discuss the reliance on the church as the sole source of authority on truth and the discouragement of critical thinking. With insights from various church authorities, this episode provides valuable perspectives on navigating doubt within the Mormon church. Listeners who have experienced doubts or questioned their faith may find this episode particularly enlightening and relatable.

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1799: How We Almost Ruined Our Mixed-Faith Marriage

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 16 Aug 2023 00:00:00 GMT

Kattie & Allan from Marriage on a Tightrope Podcast are back with more great tips for navigating a mixed-faith relationship. This time they are sharing their mistakes to save others from making the same!

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1789: Mormon Church Humanitarian Efforts - Widow's Mite Report Pt. 3

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 21 Jul 2023 14:00:00 GMT

John Dehlin is joined by guests Spencer Anderson, Radio Free Mormon, and Rebecca Bibliotheca to go over the latest Widow’s Mite Report shedding light on the financial practices and transparency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We discuss the church's significant wealth and delve into its historical and current approach to charitable giving. We expose discrepancies in reported figures, revealing how the church combines various donations to inflate its humanitarian efforts. We explore whether the church could do more with its immense resources and discuss its environmental stewardship initiatives. Additionally, the conversation touches on tax issues in Australia and Canada. If you're curious about the financial side of religious institutions and their charitable efforts, this eye-opening discussion provides valuable insights.

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1788: Spiritual Witnesses and Testimonies w/ LDS Discussions Ep. 43

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:00:00 GMT

Join hosts Mike, Nemo, and John Dehlin as they delve into the intricacies of spiritual witnesses within Mormonism. How do sincere seekers often end up with different answers when appealing to "the Spirit"? Can individuals be exploited by circumstances deliberately designed to create feelings of spiritual confirmation? What are the consequences when "spiritual witnesses" go wrong?

Join us as we dive into the psychological phenomena of spiritual witnesses. We examine topics such as indoctrination, repetition, and the Illusory Truth effect, as well as other psychological mechanisms like confirmation bias, the backfire effect, and motivated reasoning. This episode can provide insight to your own spiritual experiences and provide tools to recognize attempts to manufacture the experience in you.

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1787: Sound of Freedom, Tim Ballard & Underground Railroad: Anna Merlan and Tim Marchman of Vice News

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 13 Jul 2023 22:00:00 GMT

Today we will be covering the new hit movie Sound of Freedom - based loosely on the work of Tim Ballard, founder of Operation Underground Railroad.

1782: Being Black at a White Christian University: Exposing Racism at BYU - Rachel Weaver

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 03 Jul 2023 17:00:00 GMT

In today's episode, we delve into the remarkable story of Rachel Weaver—another member of BYU's Black Menaces. Prepare for an inspiring exploration of Rachel's life as a black convert to a conservative religion in a liberal environment to her life as a student at BYU. What eventually led her to forge her own path by stepping away from the faith that once defined her?

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1781: Mormon Church Involved in Supreme Court Discrimination Case

Dr. John Dehlin — Sun, 02 Jul 2023 13:48:00 GMT

Today we discuss a recent Supreme Court ruling permitting businesses to discriminate against the LGBTQ+ community. It has been alleged that the case was based on a fake document. The Alliance Defending Freedom, a prominent Christian organization, was heavily involved in the case and the Mormon Church submitted an amicus brief supporting the discrimination. Join us as we briefly examine some of this contentious case's facts.

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1780: A Tale of Two Books w/ John Larsen

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1773: Background Checks Now in the UK w/ 21st Century Saints

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 07 Jun 2023 17:30:00 GMT

Come listen and get involved as John and Nemo discuss the groundbreaking developments happening in the UK. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the United Kingdom, due to the activism work of 21st Century Saints and the Britvengers Collective, is making DBS checks mandatory for those who work with children and youth.

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1772: Seeking Social Justice at BYU - Saane Siale Pt 2

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 06 Jun 2023 18:00:00 GMT

In the highly anticipated Part Two of Saane's story, we pick up as she navigates her first year at BYU. Prepare for a candid exploration of her experiences as a person of color, including the challenges of dating and the fetishization she encounters from those who served Polynesian missions. As the conversation unfolds, Saane reveals the pervasive racism and hostile environment she faced from white peers, exacerbated by the election of Donald Trump. Saane shares her journey of self-discovery as she grapples with deep conflicts between her beliefs, values and identity and her determination to make a difference wherever she serves be it family, BYU and her mission to Tahiti. Don't miss this eye-opening episode as Saane discusses her evolving views and offers recommendations for a more inclusive BYU, all while reflecting on her heritage and the profound impact of her experiences.

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1771: A Tongan Mormon Story - Saane Siale Pt. 1

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 05 Jun 2023 18:00:00 GMT

Today John Dehlin is joined by Tongan Mormon, Saane Siale, with special guests Nate Byrd from BYU’s Black Menaces, and Beau Oyler, her former Bishop, as they delve into the unique experiences and challenges faced by racial minorities within Mormonism. They discuss the integration of Mormonism into Tongan culture, the complexities of being part of an ethnic ward, and the impact of white beauty standards on individuals of color. They also explore the internalized racism and the pursuit of academic excellence within marginalized communities, shedding light on the need for advocacy and social justice. Don't miss out on this insightful conversation as Saane shares her journey, from her upbringing to her awakening as an activist, while grappling with her faith and preparing for her future at BYU.

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1770: Where did Joseph get his ideas? w/ LDS Discussions Ep. 41

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 02 Jun 2023 18:00:00 GMT

Join John, Nemo, and Mike in a captivating episode as they unravel the intricate tapestry of influences that shaped the founder of Mormonism, Joseph Smith. From the unique doctrines of Mormonism to the enigmatic Book of Mormon, they embark on a thought-provoking journey through history and religious texts. Discover the surprising connections between revival sermons and the sermons in the Book of Mormon, and explore the profound influence of figures like Alexander Campbell on Joseph Smith's religious framework.

Delve into the visionary experiences that shaped Smith's spiritual journey, from the lesser-known first visions of Norris Stearns and Asa Wild to the fascinating early versions of "memes" in American history. Uncover the intriguing connections between the priesthood restoration and the teachings of the Campbellites, as well as the incorporation of the Book of Enoch in the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible. Journey through the Word of Wisdom and its links to the Temperance Movement and explore the historical contexts that influenced Smith's perspectives on the Curse of Cain and the Curse of Ham. Finally, peel back the layers of the Endowment Ceremony and its similarities to the Masonic Ceremony, shedding light on Joseph Smith's quest to restore ancient rituals.

Prepare for an eye-opening exploration of the diverse influences that shaped Joseph Smith and the emergence of Mormonism. In this episode, you'll uncover the intricate connections between historical events, religious movements, and Joseph Smith's visionary experiences, shedding new light on the foundations of one of America's most influential religious movements.

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1769: Mormon Superiority w/ John Larsen

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 30 May 2023 01:00:00 GMT

In this enlightening interview, John Larsen explores with John Dehlin and Carah Burrell the concept of superiority within Mormonism and its far-reaching implications. He delves into the various ways in which superiority is ingrained in Mormon theology, scriptures, and practices, shedding light on the inherent biases and discriminatory narratives that persist within the community. From the belief in white skin as inherently superior to the patriarchal nature of the priesthood and the reinforcement of rigid gender roles, John uncovers the damaging effects of these doctrines. He also discusses the patronizing language used to describe those outside the faith, the exploitation of immigrant labor, and the prevalence of fraud among Mormons. Join John Larsen as he unpacks the complex dynamics of superiority within Mormonism and raises critical questions about its impact on individuals and society.

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An Evening with Bill Reel - May 30, 2023 at 7pm (6pm for VIP Dinner)

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 16 May 2023 01:57:00 GMT

Please join John Dehlin as he hosts an evening to honor Podcast Host Bill Reel (and possibly his wife Amanda). As you know, Bill is the host of Mormon Discussions podcast, and the co-host of Mormonism Live podcast.

At the main event (7pm in Alpine), Bill will provide a short speech, and a fun/live Q&A will be held as well. A VIP event will be held at 6pm (with food) as well, for those wanting a little more personal time with Bill and John. This is your chance to meet and thank Bill (and Amanda) for their roles in your Mormon journey!!!

All proceeds from this event will be donated to Bill and Amanda Reel. Base ticket price is $10/person, but the system allows you to donate extra to Bill and Amanda if you so choose. The VIP dinner is $30/person.

Please spread the word! I would love nothing more to have a full room give Bill and Amanda a standing ovation for the important role they've played in Mormonism.

Click here to register for the event. And please spread the word!

1764: Mormons React to the Lori Vallow Guilty Verdict - Including Lori's Cousin Megan Conner

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 12 May 2023 19:30:00 GMT

Join Lori Vallow's cousin (Megan Conner), John Dehlin, Gerardo Sumano, and Hidden True Crime's Lauren Mathias as they react live to Lori Vallow's verdict.

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1763: Patriarchal Blessings - A Discussion | LDS Discussions Ep 40

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 12 May 2023 18:00:00 GMT

Discover the truth behind Mormon Patriarchal Blessings in this eye-opening interview with hosts Mike, Nemo, and John. From reflections on their own blessings to the harmful effects of this mechanism of control over members, the hosts delve into the nuanced nature of these individualized messages from God. With insights on how even past prophets have framed patriarchal blessings, and the agelessness of their messages, you won't want to miss this deep dive into revelation in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

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1762: When Your Adult Mormon Children Stop Believing - Rod & Nan Osborne Pt 2

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 10 May 2023 18:00:00 GMT

Join Nan and Rod Osborne on a journey through their lives as devoted Mormons, parents, and spouses, and discover how their faith shaped their family culture. From Nan's early years in the LDS community to Rod's conversion and mission, to the challenges of raising a large family, no topic is off-limits in this captivating interview. Along the way, they share their experiences with temple worship, gender roles, and the pressure to keep their children on the "Mormon train." However, when their children start to question their faith, Nan and Rod's world is turned upside down. Will their family survive these faith crises, or will it tear them apart?

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1757: Is the Mormon Church an Unhealthy Organization? w/ John Larsen

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 20 Apr 2023 17:25:00 GMT

Sometimes we find ourselves involved in organizations, governments and communities that might be psychologically unhealthy to us or our communities. John Larsen has collected a few points you can use to check to see if an organization might be considered dangerous or unhealthy.

There are elections with only one candidate up for each office.
All members are expected to vote in unison.
The term “beloved” is applied to a living leader by other leaders of the organization.
Loyal members calling for reform or change are purged or otherwise silenced.
There are no means for membership to appeal a decision.
The group is willing to break up families or other social structures to further or preserve its own organizations.
Members are encouraged to look and dress the same. Uniformity is encouraged or required in clothing, haircuts, jewelry, etc.
Life events are controlled by the organization. For example, you cannot marry without leadership approval.
There is an organizationally controlled media including television, radio and newspapers. All outside media is cast as suspect.
The organization is overly focused on winning over vulnerable populations such as the youth, those who are grieving, or those in financial distress.
The group is involved in many business or monetary transactions wholly unrelated to the central mission of the organization.
Members are encouraged or required to never say anything negative about the leadership.
The organization uses litigation as a means to silence dissident membership or outside organizations speaking against the group.
Community leaders are chosen by the central organization. Local communities have no say in who their representatives will be.
The governance structure of the central organization is ambiguous, hidden or unknown.
Obedience to the central organization is encouraged over all other values.
All finances are kept secret.
The leadership of the organization is preoccupied with the most intimate details of member’s lives including finances, sex and personal relationships.
Leadership tends to speak of the victim-hood of the organization even in endeavors where the organization has a majority or controlling influence.
Organizational history is overly sentimentalized and unflattering information is edited out of official documents.
The organization insists that it has primacy or is more important than all other organizations.
The group has an almost obsessive focus on the outward appearances of organizational buildings and properties, grass is meticulously cut, no litter is ever found, grounds are always perfect. A great deal of time and effort is spent on this resource.

1753: Disaster at BYU-Hawaii - David Glen Hatch's Devotional

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 07 Apr 2023 18:00:00 GMT

Carah Burrell and John review the recent, deeply troubling devotional delivered earlier this week by David Glen Hatch at BYU-Hawaii.

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1752: April 2023 LDS General Conference Panel Discussion

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 06 Apr 2023 23:30:00 GMT

Join us as we discuss surprises, let downs, best talks, worst talks etc in this year’s April General Conference, where members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) listen to messages from top leaders in the Church. What were the real intentions and messages behind this year’s talks? Did they address the recent scandals & controversy regarding the SEC fine for fraudulently creating shell companies to hide its wealth from members and the public? Was anything missing that we would normally expect to hear?

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April 2023 LDS General Conference Review w/ Patrick Mason and Jana Riess – Mormon News Review 01 (Pilot)

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 06 Apr 2023 17:12:00 GMT

As our first test run (pre-pilot), we review the April 2023 LDS Church General. Specific topics include:
– Our intentions for Mormon News Weekly Podcast.
– We introduce ourselves.
– Peacemakers Needed | Russell M. Nelson | April 2023 General Conference.
– The Greatest Easter Story Ever Told | Gary E. Stevenson | April 2023 General Conference
– Do You Know Why I as a Christian Believe in Christ? | Ahmad S. Corbitt | April 2023
– Mormon Church to pay fine to settle charges it hid an approximately $32 billion investment fund
– SEC Cease and Desist Order Against the LDS Church for Securities Deception.
– SEC Charges The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and Its Investment Management Company for Disclosure Failures and Misstated Filings
– Church Auditing Department Report, 2022 | April 2023 General Conference

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1751: Mormon Church Assets - Ensign Peak, Real Estate, and Temples - Widow’s Mite Report Pt. 2

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 30 Mar 2023 18:00:00 GMT

Join us for part 2 of our review of the Widow’s Mite Report, which investigates and reports on LDS Church finances. Today we will discuss Ensign Peak Advisors, the Mormon church’s real estate holdings, and their extensive construction of temples.

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1750: A Mormon Mom Tries Mushrooms - Stephanie Brinkerhoff

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 29 Mar 2023 18:00:00 GMT

Join us as we explore the story of what would lead a super-faithful and believing Mormon mother of three to try psychedelic mushrooms (psilocybin) for the first time...and what happened next.

1749: Problematic Mormon Revelations after Joseph Smith w/ LDS Discussions Ep. 38

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 24 Mar 2023 18:00:00 GMT

Today we discuss several problematic "revelations" by LDS prophets that succeeded Joseph Smith. These include:

John Taylor's 1886 revelation on the continuation of polygamy.
The multiple "manifestos" allegedly ending the practice of polygamy (but not really).
The lifting of the 1978 priesthood and temple ban against Mormons of African descent.
Changes to the LDS temple ceremony over the years.
Russell M. Nelson's condemnation of the use of the "Mormon" identity after Gordon B. Hinckley and Thomas S. Monson's strong support of the "Mormon" identity.
The 2015 LGBTQ Exclusion policy, and the subsequent 2019 reversal of the policy/doctrine.
The Mark Hofmann forgeries.

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1748: SUU Students Protest Apostle Jeffrey R. Holland

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 21 Mar 2023 22:00:00 GMT

Today we are inviting a panel of Southern Utah University students to discuss their objections to the invitation to have Mormon apostle Jeffrey R. Holland speak at an upcoming graduation ceremony, especially as a man who has used his status, privilege, wealth and power to platform anti-LGBTQ rhetoric, including violent metaphors, which have directly harmed so many in that community.

Follow @SUU_commencement_protest on instagram for updates and ways to help.

If you'd like to build up the platform for these brave students from SUU representing themselves and other marginalized peers, there are a number of ways you can help:

1. Please like & share this episode to give it more visibility and traction

2. Sign the Change.org petition

3. Email SUU's Chair, Vice Chair, and the Board of Trustees:

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president@suu.edu

4. Fill out SUU's Feedback form on the 2023 Commencement Speaker

5. Follow @SUU_commencement_protest on instagram

6. If you know any queer students at SUU, please reach out and let them know you support them.

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1747: When Your Mormon Kids Fall Away from the Church - Lance & Brandee Heppler Pt 2

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 21 Mar 2023 19:00:00 GMT

Lance and Brandee Heppler began to question and ultimately leave the Mormon Church after their son Lake experienced mismanagement and mistreatment during his missionary training and service. This experience, along with their daughter Darby coming out as gay and being rejected by the Church, led them to start questioning Church teachings and practices. They also began to educate themselves about Church history and controversies through sources like the "Mormons & Masons" documentary, "Mormon Stories," and the CES Letter.

Further cracks in their faith emerged when Brandee became aware of a child abuse incident at their local stake center that had been covered up by Church leaders. Despite these concerns, the Hepplers continued to attend Church and pretend to believe for a time. However, they eventually reached a breaking point and decided to leave the Church altogether. They found that prioritizing their family and their own happiness outside of the Church was more important than following Church rules and teachings that were not serving them.

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1746: Mormon Family Struggles with Mental Health - Lance & Brandee Heppler Pt 1.

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 21 Mar 2023 18:00:00 GMT

Join Lance and Brandee Heppler as they share their personal journeys in Mormonism and delve into mental health challenges they faced as they tried to be good Mormon parents. In this episode, Lance talks about his orthodox upbringing in Oregon, serving his mission in South Carolina, and his panic of finding someone to marry before graduating from BYU. Meanwhile, Brandee shares her struggle of not fitting in at church due in part to her parents being converts and her undiagnosed ADHD, making her wonder why it seemed God made her too "rowdy" as a woman instead of more subdued and "proper".

Together they navigate the traditional gender roles expected of them as a married couple in the church while raising young children and serving in various callings. As they grapple with issues such as feminism and LGBTQ issues in the church, they also confront their own mental health struggles and the lack of support from the Mormon community. They share powerful insights about the often transactional nature of Mormon relationships and the harmful effects that come from some teachings that associate mental health struggles with sin. This episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking a deeper understanding of the challenges faced by those raised in Mormonism and the impact it can have on mental health.

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1745: Mormon Happiness w/ John Larsen

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 21 Mar 2023 01:00:00 GMT

When Mormons talk about happiness what do they mean? We will deconstruct how the Church uses the concept of happiness to control and gaslight members.

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Though he hadn't known her well, Stuart instantly recognized Martine at a Young Single Adult (YSA) activity and things took off from there until he asked her to be with him for eternity. Martine happily accepts this proposal from an established, generational Mormon returned missionary. However, the engagement is soon jeopardized by challenges between Martine's desire to follow the brethren's admonitions not to put off having children (and wanting a dozen of them!) as the quintessential Mormon housewife with Stuart's practicality regarding his ability to financially support children while still having several years of school left.

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1739: Joseph's Failed Prophecies | LDS Discussions Ep. 37

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 10 Mar 2023 19:00:00 GMT

In this engaging interview, Mike from LDS Discussions, Nemo the Mormon, and John Dehlin review the failed prophecies of Mormonism's founder, Joseph. They start by discussing what the Bible says about failed prophecies and those who tell them. They then delve into specific failed prophecies, including the Second Coming of the Lord in 1891, the fall and overthrow of the US government, and the "everlasting" covenant of the United Order. Other failed prophecies discussed include the failed treasure seeking mission to Salem and the failed attempt to sell the Book of Mormon copyright.

Was Joseph wrong or is it was God's fault? What good is having General Conference, either way? The hosts also discuss how FAIR Mormon tries to spin failures into fulfillments and concludes with some final thoughts on the implications of these failed prophecies of Joseph for Mormons today.

LDS Discussion Essay on Joseph Smith's Revelations.

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1738: Unveiling Dr. Clandestine

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 08 Mar 2023 19:00:00 GMT

Signature Books Event on March 9th at 7:00pm
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The interview discusses the tensions between Mormon historians and church leadership in the 1970s, focusing on the publication of a pamphlet responding to a critical book by the Tanners. Initially rejected by Mormon leadership for publishing due to their discomfort with the real history revealed in it, the pamphlet is instead published privately under the pseudonym, A Latter-day Saint Historian, or, as the Tanners dubbed him, "Mr. Clandestine."

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THRIVE Unite - March 18, 2023

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 07 Mar 2023 01:10:00 GMT

We are excited to announce Thrive Unite 2023 - which is scheduled for March 18th. Events will be held in the following cities:

Ticket costs Range between $0-40. Each of these events provides opportunities to meet with people that have experienced a change in faith. There are some amazing opportunities to hear from experts and prominent voices in recovering from religious transitions.

Examples include:

Lehi & Ogden - Dr. Steven Hassen (Cult Expert)
Seattle - John Larsen
Idaho Falls - Anthony Miller

Tickets for the all-day workshop with Steven and John Dehlin

1737: Losing Faith When Your Child’s a Mormon Missionary: Julie and Jill Durrant

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 06 Mar 2023 19:00:00 GMT

Jill and Julie Durrant share their Mormon upbringing and the challenges they faced within the faith. They discuss the expectations placed on Mormon children and the milestones they must achieve to be considered successful in the community. Julie's scrupulosity and the patriarchal blessing she received add to her struggles. Jill talks about the superiority you can feel as a Mormon and the cognitive dissonance she experienced when her sister, Alli, came out as a lesbian. Jill went on a mission to find answers about her siblings, and Julie's faith crisis begins in earnest after talking with her son, Tom. They discuss the complications of navigating family dynamics and the difficulty of leaving the church. Ultimately, the Durrant family's story is one of resilience, growth, and learning to navigate the complexities of life within and outside of Mormonism.

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1736: Mormon Church Finances Revealed - The Widow's Mite Project w/ Radio Free Mormon

Dr. John Dehlin — Sun, 05 Mar 2023 15:00:00 GMT

SEC Order Against Ensign Peak Advisors & The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

In this revealing interview, you'll learn about the founding of the Widow's Mite Report and its project goals and methods. The conversation takes a deep dive into the Mormon Church's wealth and how it mishandles funds taken from the poor to fund its massive investment accounts. You'll hear about whistleblowing within the church, sources used, and why all the secrecy about church investments.

With only six church leaders having full access to Ensign Peak, discover why the church downplays its wealth and only claims to be financially self-reliant. This interview offers eye-opening insights into the LDS Church's finances and its treatment of the poor.

If people want to help they can call the Senate finance committee and urge them to take action and have a hearing on this issue.

Senate Finance Committee phone: 202-224-4515

Senate Finance Committee fax: 202-228-0554

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1735: When the Moon Turns to Blood w/ Leah Sotille | Mormon Stories Book Club

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 03 Mar 2023 17:00:00 GMT

Author Leah Sotille will be joining John and Rebecca to discuss her book examining the culture of end times paranoia and the trail of mysterious deaths surrounding former beauty queen Lori Vallow and her husband, grave digger turned doomsday novelist, Chad Daybell. When The Moon Turns to Blood tells a gripping story of extreme beliefs, snake oil prophets, and explores the question: if it feels like the world is ending, how are people supposed to act?

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Next book: Conspiracy: Why the Rational Believe the Irrational by Michael Shermer

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1734: Problematic Patterns in Joseph Smith’s Revelations | LDS Discussions Ep. 36

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 24 Feb 2023 19:00:00 GMT

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Today we identify and analyze four problematic patterns in Joseph Smith's "revelations": 1) Using revelations to convince others to submit to his requests, 2) Using revelations to get out of a jam, 3) Changing revelations to fit Joseph Smith’s evolving theologies, and 4) a look at Biblical errors made in Joseph Smith's revelation. Today we are joined by Mike of LDS Discussions and @NEMOTHEMORMON.

LDS Discussion Essay on Joseph Smith's Revelations.

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1732: LDS Church Fined $5 Million for Hiding Money w/ Mark Pugsley

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 22 Feb 2023 23:00:00 GMT

Is the Mormon Church honest in all of its dealings? The Securities and Exchange Commission announced charges against The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for obscuring the Church’s money and misstating Ensign Peak’s control over the Church’s investment decisions. To settle the charges, Ensign Peak agreed to pay a $4 million penalty and the Church agreed to pay a $1 million penalty.

SEC Order Against Ensign Peak Advisors & The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

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Religion Unplugged article with full Senate Finance Committee memo Whistleblower Details New Allegations About $100 Billion LDS Fund

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1731: Exposing BYU’s Racism Goes VIRAL - Black Menaces’ Nathan Byrd

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 20 Feb 2023 18:56:00 GMT

Nate Byrd discusses his experiences as a Black Mormon and how he navigated his identity in a church with a history of white supremacy. He talks about being the only Black family in his wards and the pressure to conform to white norms, including attending BYU and marrying a Black Mormon. He also shares his experiences with racism at BYU, both from white students and from the church's teachings on race.

Byrd discusses his journey of self-discovery and how he channeled his anger into making things better for Black students at BYU, including starting a Black Student Union. He also talks about his TikTok channel, where he discusses the cringey and racist things he experienced at BYU, and his intentions to help others in similar situations. Byrd concludes by reflecting on the challenges of reconciling his faith with the church's history of white supremacy and how he continues to grapple with these issues.

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1730: Revelation Pt 1: Joseph Smith's Backdated Prophecies w/ Radio Free Mormon | LDS Discussions Ep. 35

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 17 Feb 2023 19:00:00 GMT

Radio Free Mormon joins the usual crew (Mike, John & Nemo) as they discuss evidence for prophecies that appear to have been backdated after the events of the supposed prophecy already happened. They explore how scholars can identify and analyze backdated prophecies and their significance. Specific examples of backdated prophecies are explored in the Book of Mormon and D&C, as well as Joseph Smith's manipulation of Isaiah and the Bible to support his claims.

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1729: Doubting as a Mormon Missionary and in Early Marriage - Dallin Seely (@TheDashleys)

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 13 Feb 2023 19:00:00 GMT

Dallin Seely from YouTube channel @TheDashleys grew up as a multigenerational Mormon. When he was seven years old, his father passed away from stomach cancer. Despite this tragedy, the church provided a lot of support to him and his family. The early death of his father leads Dallin to experience intense scrupulosity as he worries that he will never see his father again in heaven if he isn't "worthy" according to LDS Standards. A strict Bishop exacerbates Dallin’s scrupulosity but is somewhat alleviated when a new bishop tells him that his worthiness was not determined by others. When he came home from his mission, he was encouraged to get married, but he continued to have doubts about the church's teachings, such as the priesthood ban for black members.

Dallin felt the Holy Ghost told him to marry a certain woman, but he falls in love with Ashley, another faithful woman but who seems a bit less "proper" to Dallin for things like expressing humor through sarcasm. Dallin follows his own heart and marries Ashley anyway. The couple deals with the church’s inherent sexism, including in the temple and the teaching of “the patriarchal order” in the Mormon church. Continuous marriage struggles lead them to seek therapy. This led to the healthiest time in their marriage, as they were able to have emotional intimacy and talk about their feelings, including Ashley's feelings about General Conferences and sexism. They did not want to teach their daughter to feel inferior to men. Dallin and Ashley tell how they learned to embrace their true selves and how they are raising their children in a way that eliminates guilt and fear.

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Steven Hassan (Cult Expert) Coming to Utah and Other Super Cool Mormon Events in 2023

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 10 Feb 2023 02:12:00 GMT

There are so many super cool events coming to Utah I can't even stand it. Here are a few you should know about:

Mixed Faith Marriage Workshop (Marriage on a Tightrope) (Begins 2/19/23). Details and registration here.
Sunday THRIVE Provo - (2/19/23 11am, FREE!). Provo Towne Center Mall. Details here.
Unveiling Dr. Clandestine w/ Signature Books (2/22/23, 7pm). 508 W. 400 N. Salt Lake City. Website here.
THRIVE St. George (2/24-2/26). Register here.
Steven Hassan Speaking at Lost & Found Club (3/17/23). Check here for more details. Faith Journey Meet-Ups Facebook Group here.
Steven Hassan is speaking at THRIVE Unite in Lehi and Ogden (3/18/23). See here for a THRIVE Unite event near you! Other cities include Idaho Falls, Denver, Seattle, Zurich Switzerland, Calgary CA, Portland, Omaha. More to come!!!
Recovery from Mormonism All-day Workshop w/ World-Renowned cult expert Steven Hassan and John Dehlin (Alpine, UT - 3/19/23). Details and registration here.
Mormonpalooza (4/1-4/2, Salt Lake City). Details and registration here.
THRIVE Women's Conference (6/2-6/3, Ogden, UT). Details and registration here.
Vintage THRIVE (55+, 8/11-8/14). Details here.
THRIVE Cruise (10/15-10/22, Galveston and Western Caribbean). Details here.

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1728: Joseph Smith and Dartmouth College - Randy Bell

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 08 Feb 2023 17:00:00 GMT

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Join John, Margi and special guest Randy Bell in exploring a lesser-studied era of Joseph's life and his family connections to nearby Dartmouth. Do many supposedly unique Mormon doctrines have their origin not with Joseph, but at Dartmouth?

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1727: Bad Mormon, A Memoir - Heather Gay

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 06 Feb 2023 19:00:00 GMT

For Heather Gay, becoming a cast member on “The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City” was like “drawing a line in the sand” with her identity as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. When she joined the Bravo show in 2019, she realized her move to quietly quit the faith would become very loud. - The New York Times

Heather Gay visits John and Margi in studio and brings along a familiar face for fans of Mormon Stories and The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Dre Robinson! Heather tells the story of how her memoir, Bad Mormon, came to be, the challenges she faced to write and publish it (and trademark it), her hopes for the future and what she and Dre are working on now.

From the publisher:

Between attending orthodox services, embarking on an eighteen-month mission, attending Brigham Young University, and marrying into a "royal" family, Heather was the definition of a "good Mormon." However, when the doting wife's husband unexpectedly filed for divorce, she was left out in the cold by her church and her community. In this funny, brash, and unbelievably vulnerable book, Bad Mormon recounts Heather's experiences as a single mother to three girls, navigating life post-divorce and post-Mormonism."

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1726: Mormon Convert Leaves Church - Liz Lambson Pt. 4

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 02 Feb 2023 19:00:00 GMT

YouTube Link: https://youtu.be/nEW7ZshLBcU

Cracks start to form in the testimony and identities of both Liz and her husband Sam. Sam begins to question the narratives he was raised with after a trip to Palmyra and as his degree opens his eyes to the cold, corporate nature of the Church, while Liz struggles to keep her faith despite the growing number of things that feel so wrong and cause so much harm not just to Liz, but her marriage, children, extended family, community, and even the nation at large. Liz recognizes how much of herself she continually denied and gave up trying to belong and finally realizes that she no longer WANTS to belong to an organization at such odds with her nature and values.

Liz's Resignation Letter

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Liz Lambson is a Korean/African American artist, musician, and writer, and - along with her spouse Sam - is a parent to five boys residing in Salt Lake City. Liz performs as a string bassist with the Ballet West Orchestra as well as the children’s singer-songwriter Lizzy Luna, the creator of the music-and-movement program Yoga Storytime & Songs. Liz performed for and toured with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and Orchestra at Temple Square for several years. She released her first album of original children’s yoga music, Reach to the Sky, in 2018. Her writing has been featured in publications including the New Era and the New York Times.

As an active member of Utah’s arts and culture community, Liz formerly served as the Executive Director of the Utah Black History Museum. Her artwork is featured on Salt Lake City’s Black Lives Matter mural at City Hall. Liz is also an aspiring film actress.

In her spare time she enjoys needlework, gardening, road trips, and Scrabble.

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1725: Working Mormon Mother Speaks Out - Liz Lambson Pt. 3

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 01 Feb 2023 19:00:00 GMT

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After Liz decides to stay at BYU, she meets her future husband, Sam. Liz takes us through her courtship with Sam, their reasons for marrying each other, and the various complications they faced early on in their marriage. Like many LDS women trying to properly fulfill their purpose, Liz finds motherhood alone cannot make her feel happy & fulfilled with the exclusion of the things that make Liz who she is and bring her joy.

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1724: Joining the Mormon Church at BYU - Liz Lambson Pt. 2

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 31 Jan 2023 19:00:00 GMT

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We continue Liz’s journey as she goes to BYU and gets baptized. Liz explains her interactions with church and BYU culture, and the effect of “worthiness” interviews w/LDS leadership once she is an official member.

At BYU Liz struggles to fit in with white culture and begins struggling with symptoms of mental illness along with outbursts of creativity. Things get heavy with a friend’s suicide as she battles her own depressive thoughts.

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1723: Converting to Mormonism in High School | Liz Lambson Pt. 1

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 30 Jan 2023 19:00:00 GMT

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We begin Liz’s story with her family and growing up years as a biracial Korean/African American struggling to assimilate into white culture. Her mother converted to Christianity and became a religious fanatic, leading to her eventual abandonment of her husband & children. Liz is introduced to Mormonism shortly after and finds Joseph Smith’s early religious confusion relatable. With continued exposure to LDS peers, including a boy who particularly holds her interest, Liz gains a testimony of the Book of Mormon and falls in love with Mormon culture.

Liz also shares her struggles with academic, artistic and spiritual perfectionism in high school. We learn ways Liz gives up pieces of herself as she tries harder to assimilate into Mormon culture and eventually makes the decision to attend BYU.

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1722: Buddhism for Beginners w/ Noah Rasheta | Mormon Stories Book Club

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 27 Jan 2023 17:00:00 GMT

Noah Rasheta joins John and Rebecca Bibliotheca to discuss basic concepts of Buddhism which has helped many deconstructing and healing from toxic teachings.

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1721: Gay Mormon Rescue w/ Charlie Bird and Ben Schilaty?

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 26 Jan 2023 23:15:00 GMT

Please join us for a panel discussion regarding a recent two-day LDS multi-Stake training in Canada focused on understanding LGBTQ members, led by faithful gay Mormon podcasters Charlie Bird and Ben Schilaty (hosts of "Questions From the Closet" podcast).

Some questions that will be addressed by the panel include:

What aspects of this training are groundbreaking and should be celebrated?
How do efforts like this one help LGBTQ youth in the LDS pews?
Is this a local/grass-roots effort or is it sanctioned by top LDS Church leadership?
Does this training represent a "Gay Mormon Rescue" of sorts, reminiscent of the Swedish Rescue and Boise Rescue from previous years (see here and here)?
What possible risks do trainings like this introduce for LGTBQ youth and young adults?
To what extent do less-official, "grass roots" efforts like this prevent top Mormon church leaders from taking responsibility for the LGBTQ crisis (past and present) within Mormonism?

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1720: Why Don't Mormons Leave? w/ John Larsen & Carah Burrell

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 24 Jan 2023 02:30:00 GMT

Why don’t more people leave the Church in the face of overwhelming evidence that it isn’t what it claims to be? In this episode we will discuss how the Normalcy Bias can help explain this behavior.

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1719: Overview of Joseph Smith's Translations | LDS Discussions Ep. 34

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 20 Jan 2023 19:00:00 GMT

In this episode we recap all the different areas where Joseph Smith claims to have translated an ancient source and we analyze his work and compare it against modern scholars and experts in the field to see how he did.

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1718: If John Could Change the Church w/ Cults to Consciousness

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 16 Jan 2023 21:30:00 GMT

John is in the hot seat again as Shelise Sola of @CultstoConsciousness does the interviewing around the topic of what and how John Dehlin would change the Mormon (LDS) Church if he were prophet. John expertly synthesizes and explains in easy-to-understand chunks the largest problems facing the Mormon Church today and ways it harms its most ardent believers and their families from past racism, current treatment of women and homophobia, covering up real history etc.

While Shelise only recently started her podcast, “Cults to Consciousness,” she is quickly gaining viewership and a following due to her vibrant personality and quality content and interviews. In her own words: “From psychedelics to sexual distortions, I interview cult experts, cult survivors, cult advocates, therapists, way-showers, authors, healers, guides, shamans and more, to uncover how they find independence and healing through awareness and true individual sovereignty.”

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1717: End of Year Review and Q&A - 2022

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 12 Jan 2023 03:49:00 GMT

Mormon Stories has experienced an amazing amount of growth for which we are thankful to our viewers, guests, staff, donors, and collaborators! John shares about the growth of the channel and answers viewer questions.

How was 2022? What helped the channel’s growth? What were the stand-out episodes?

And what have we got planned for 2023? Join us to find out!

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1716: Kinderhook Plates w/ LDS Discussions - 33

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 09 Jan 2023 21:00:00 GMT

Did Joseph Smith have another shot at translating ancient scripture, or is it just rumor? Mike, Nemo and John take a look at the Kinderhook Plates. What were they? Did Joseph Smith try to translate them, and what was the result? As usual, we dive into the apologetics around multiple scenarios and why they are each attractive to differing views.

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1715: Nonverts: The Making of Ex-Christian America w/ Stephen Bullivant

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 09 Jan 2023 17:00:00 GMT

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Stephen Bullivant holds professorial positions at St Mary's University, London, and the University of Notre Dame, Sydney. He has doctorates in theology (Oxford, 2009) and sociology (Warwick, 2019). His studies of contemporary nonreligiosity have received wide international coverage, including from the BBC, New York Times, Economist, Financial Times, and Der Spiegel.

The United States is in the midst of a religious revolution. Or, perhaps it is better to say a non-religious revolution. Around a quarter of US adults now say they have no religion. The great majority of these religious "nones" also say that they used to belong to a religion but no longer do. These are the nonverts: think "converts," but from having religion to having none. There are currently has about 59 million of them in the United States.

Nonverts explores who they are, and why they joined the rising tide of the ex-religious. One of world's leading experts on contemporary atheism and nonreligiosity, sociologist and theologian Stephen Bullivant draws on dozens of interviews, original analysis of high-quality survey data, and a wealth of cutting-edge studies, to present an entertaining and insightful exploration of America's ex-religious landscape. Bullivant criss-crosses the country, talking to everyone from ex-Mormons in Utah to ex-Catholics in Pennsylvania, from ex-Evangelicals in Georgia to ex-Muslims in California, showing not only what they have in common but also how the traditions they left behind continue to shape them.

While American religion is not going to die out any time soon, ex-Christian America is a growing presence in national life. America's religious revolution is not just a religious revolution--it is catalyzing a profound social, cultural, moral, and political impact. Nonverts will serve as an indispensable guide to this shifting landscape, as well as the future of American life.

Join John and Nemo as they dive deeper into just why it is that people leave the LDS church.

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1714: Leaving Mormonism Because of Racism - Channel Achenbach Pt. 3

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 06 Jan 2023 19:00:00 GMT

Fans of Mormon stories will be familiar with Channel Achenbach, who has been a guest on LDS Discussions' Race & Mormon Scripture Part 1 and Part 2 , Gender Discrimination in the Mormon Church with John Larsen and Mormon Leader Ahmad Corbitt Condemns Activism Towards the LDS Church or they may know her from her tiktok channel, @Bettenoir4. This is a 3-part series of Channel’s story.

We’re back for a wrap-up of Channel’s story. Starting from where Part 2 left off, Channel, Margi and John discuss racism in general in the United States, and racism experienced in Utah by Channel and her children in Utah based on their skin color, with even her lighter-skinned children getting treated better than those with darker skin.

Channel finally starts finding her own voice and speaking out about her experiences and observations in the church but with continued pushback from leaders, Channel decides to resign and starts her platform on Tiktok.

We learn where and how Channel is doing now that she's left the Church and found her voice and is finding herself again after all this time.

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1713: Surviving as a Black Woman in the Mormon Church - Channel Achenbach Pt. 2

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 04 Jan 2023 19:00:00 GMT

Fans of Mormon stories will be familiar with Channel Achenbach, who has been a guest on LDS Discussions' Race & Mormon Scripture Part 1, Gender Discrimination in the Mormon Church with John Larsen and Mormon Leader Ahmad Corbitt Condemns Activism Towards the LDS Church or they may know her from her tiktok channel, @Bettenoir4. This will be a 3-part series of Channel’s story.

Channel is continuing her story from her marriage, an embarrassing disciplinary council where she is judged for her “sins” by a group entirely of white men, and dealing with the fall-out of a marriage that was ill-suited from the beginning and facing the stigma of divorce within the LDS church as a woman of color. Channel marries again, this time to a non-member of the church and has two children. Despite her husband’s encouragement to leave, Channel continues to seek acceptance and approval from her religion despite her skin color. As she becomes disillusioned over time, Channel manages to stay in because of the influence of a few good friends, especially when her second marriage dissolves, and she finds herself needing more help.

We learn more about issues around race issues in general such as the difference between racism and white supremacy and how both show up in the Church’s doctrines, practices, and members, including being constantly talked down to and told what to do with her life and what to think even by friends over a decade younger than she.

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1712: Joining the Mormon Church as a Black Teenager - Channel Achenbach Pt. 1

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 02 Jan 2023 19:00:00 GMT

In Part 1 We get some background on Channel’s family growing up, how black families and black culture differ substantially from Mormon white culture, what led Channel to seek God and how that led to her joining the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Channel tells us the good, bad & ugly of how she was treated as a black teenage convert, when she learned of the Church’s racism, and ways that she accepted, excused, and eventually internalized it to see herself as “less” than her white counterparts.

This became most apparent in dating and marriage. While white men in the church may find her exotic and are willing to date her, Channel finds that they are unwilling to marry her as “mixing seed” would pass her “curse” [black skin] to children that could otherwise have two white parents. As Channel loses herself and what makes her unique to the cultural expectations of the Church she marries another black member of the church at the counsel of her Bishop against her better judgment.

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Mormon Stories Podcast Needs Your Support (2022)

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 21:34:00 GMT

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1711: Olympic Champion Wrestler Mark Schultz Leaves Mormonism

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 28 Dec 2022 21:28:00 GMT

Mark Schultz was a 3-time NCAA champion, Olympic champion and 2-time World champion wrestler. He also joined the Mormon church in 1991 shortly after being hired as a BYU wrestling coach. Mark coached wrestling at BYU for around a decade.

A few months ago, Mark started studying factual LDS church history - focusing specifically on Joseph Smith's polygamy revelation in D&C Section 132 - and lost his Mormon faith. He reached out to John this week requesting to tell his story.

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1710: Book of Abraham, Part 3: A Look at the Text Itself w/ LDS Discussions - 32

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 27 Dec 2022 19:00:00 GMT

In Parts 1 and 2 of this series Mike, John, and Nemo explored the history and controversies over whether the Book of Abraham is a literal translation of Egyptian as claimed by Joseph Smith.

Now for Part 3 they are back to look at what the text of the Book of Abraham actually says, including many prime LDS doctrines. What have been the consequences of believing those doctrines? Does the Book of Abraham merit being considered “revelation” and therefore binding to believing Saints today?

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1709: How to Stay in the Mormon Church - Carol Lynn Pearson Pt 2

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 21 Dec 2022 19:00:00 GMT

Carol discusses ways that she has enabled herself mentally and spiritually to stay in the Church, despite periods of inactivity and varying levels of hope. Has she gone through a “faith crisis” as many know it? What did she keep and what has she thrown away? Why does she stay?

How does Carol feel she makes a difference by staying in and also how and why has she been able to avoid excommunication, a common fate for those who undertake advocacy in the Church and come under the ire of leadership?

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1708: Giving God Another Chance - Carol Lynn Pearson Pt. 1

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 19 Dec 2022 19:00:00 GMT

Carol Lynn Pearson is an amazing woman and still-active member of the Church who has done more advocacy for feminism and LGBTQ rights than any other member and for far longer through her songs, books, poetry, speaking engagements and other appearances (even Oprah)!

Carol Lynn Pearson is the example and embodiment of pure love. Anyone would do well to follow her example.

In today's episode, Carol describes how she finds both feminine and masculine traits in the divine, and in such a lovely way that even hard-core atheists can find beauty and inspiration in her thoughts.

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1707: Book of Abraham, Part 2: Translation Apologetics w/ LDS Discussions - 31

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 16 Dec 2022 19:00:00 GMT

Today we’re going through various apologetics and theories around the Book of Abraham to reconcile it being considered scripture along with what we know the literal interpretation of these things to be. What problems do these apologetics create in other areas for believers? Do these theories hold water without a strong bias to believe in spite of all evidence? Do some apologists even admit it?

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1706: In Their Own Words w/ John Larsen & Carah Burrell

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 16 Dec 2022 02:00:00 GMT

The best way to consume Mormon history is through original source documents, but where do you find them? In this episode we will review a list of primary sources for early Mormon history that are accessible and affordable to the budding historian.

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1705: "Perfect" Mormon leaves the LDS Church - Kelsey Edwards Pt. 2

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 14 Dec 2022 19:30:00 GMT

Welcome back for part two!

A trip to Europe gives Kelsey a chance beyond her mission to see more of the outside world and the goodness and happiness that others have found while clearly outside of Mormonism. The trip also gives her the chance to tune in to herself and trust her intuition. Not ready to give up on her religion just yet, Kelsey returns home after the trip and ends up working with LDS Public Relations in various projects while also holding the calling of Relief Society President as she works through her active doubts.

Kelsey moves back to LA and finally realizes how much of a “box” LDS doctrines & beliefs put herself in. Kelsey takes us on a journey of personal discovery as she learns who she really is & to trust her own authority, leading her to the freest and fulfilled life she’s experienced thus far.

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1704: My Mormon Family Fell Apart - Kelsey Edwards Pt. 1

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 12 Dec 2022 16:41:00 GMT

Kelsey Edwards has a unique upbringing as a child actor who was homeschooled by her Mormon parents. Driven by a desire to do what’s right and excel, Kelsey develops a perfectionism that goes beyond religious adherence into body image and leads to disordered eating. Kelsey is able to recover with help from her parents, only to be thrown into another family crisis as her father succumbs to an opiate addiction after chronic back pain and leaves both the Church and the family. As many children do, Kelsey feels she shares blame for the destruction of her family and re-commits to the LDS religion for strength and comfort.

When her family moves to Provo, Utah, Mormon purity culture has costs for Kelsey’s self-esteem and body image as she continues pursuing performance at high school and BYU. Kelsey’s first doubts come as she serves a mission in Birmingham Alabama and grapples with the spirituality and fulfillment members of other faiths feel. Kelsey realizes belief in “eternal families” is far from unique to Mormonism but what IS unique about the Mormon version is the dark element that it’s predicated on a God deliberately separating families first.

Join us for the rest in Part 2!

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1703: Transgressions of Four Mormon Church Leaders | Gary James Bergera

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 09 Dec 2022 19:34:00 GMT

Nearly since its founding, leaders of the LDS Church have excommunicated members for wrongdoing. In earlier times, such punishments might have lasted only weeks. Over the course of succeeding decades, this practice became more severe, constituting a wrenching removal from the community. Gaining readmittance often required intense penance and evidence of significant change stretching over a prolonged period of time. Sometimes this process even involved the leaders' colleagues. Justice and Mercy offers in-depth examinations of several high-profile case studies in church discipline, using journals and other sources close to the participants to provide candid detail.

Today we interview author Gary James Bergera and Editor Bryan Buchanan.

The book can be purchased here: Justice & Mercy

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1702: An Insider Look at LDS Church Operations - Scott Dyer

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 07 Dec 2022 19:00:00 GMT

Today we get to meet Special Guest Scott Dyer from Rameumptom Ruminations, a podcast centered on Mormon theology & interpretations of scripture through the lens of philosophy, literature and art under the Mormon Discussions Podcasts umbrella.

John and Scott discuss Brian Harris, a recent guest on Rameumptom Ruminations who was an employee at church headquarters in the correlation department. Brian offers us a chance to pull back the curtain and learn a little bit more about what goes on behind the scenes. How does the church gather and use data from its members? How far up the chain does that data go? What goes into the creation, revising, or scrapping of church programs?

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1701: Book of Abraham Translation w/ LDS Discussions - 30

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 05 Dec 2022 19:00:00 GMT

Starting Book of Abraham! Join us at noon today for the intro to the issues around the "translation" of this controversial piece of Mormon scripture.

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1700: Mormon Apostle Dallin H. Oaks RESPONDS to Member's Opposing Vote!

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 02 Dec 2022 17:00:00 GMT

When Douglas Stilgoe, AKA "Nemo the Mormon" on YouTube, no longer felt he could publicly sustain Mormonism's top leadership of apostles & prophets due to multiple acts of demonstrable dishonesty, he lost one of Mormonism's highest privileges: the ability to attend the Temple.

For Mormons, Temple worship goes FAR beyond religious ceremony. It is the gate by which believing Mormons qualify for Exaltation, the highest level of Heaven & privilege in the after-life according to Mormon theology, and by which marriages & family relationships are "sealed" together for eternity. Thus, losing the privilege of Temple worship doesn't just risk an individual's OWN eternal reward, but also puts one's eternal marriage and other family ties in jeopardy, some even to the extent of believing that faithful spouses and children will be "reassigned" to a faithful stranger who will replace the unbelieving spouse or parent in Heaven.

It is also synonymous with personal "worthiness", so any Mormons not permitted inside are often thought to be committing or in the process of repenting from egregious sins, such as adultery. Mormons who are not considered "worthy" to perform Temple ordinances themselves are also barred from even attending ordinances - like weddings - of any friends and family that take place there, another significant source of pain and alienation for some.

Naturally, Doug found it problematic that for believing Mormons, such important things as Exaltation and Eternal Family can be held hostage and denied for something as simple as refusing to agree to sustain leaders who, by virtue of a supposedly secret ordinance known as the "Second Anointing," are exempt from any accountability towards members of the Church, even for bold, deliberate acts of harm and dishonesty.

...or are they?

This episode documents attempts made by Doug (Nemo) to get to the bottom of whether Mormon doctrines & practices meant to instill accountability from its earliest days and scripture are still applicable today, or whether they've become mere ritual, devoid of any meaningful significance other than virtue-signaling conformity and a continued commitment to blind obedience. As a squeaky wheel unable to be assuaged or silenced by local leadership, Nemo surprises everyone (including himself) when he manages to bypass the usual gatekeepers and break through the glass ceiling separating Mormonism's apostles and prophets from the rank-and-file, successfully garnering the attention of none other than second highest-ranking apostle and next in line to become prophet, Dallin H. Oaks.

How did it go? Tune it to find out!

"Evidence of Dishonesty" - Nemo's document (coming soon!)

Nemo's Coverage on Mormonism LIVE with Bill Reel, Radio Free Mormon, and John Dehlin

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1699: Losing Faith as a BYU Professor - Louisa Killian Pt. 2

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 30 Nov 2022 19:00:00 GMT

Louisa Killian is back to talk about what happened after losing her job at BYU, and what resources helped her heal and grow. What have been her victories and challenges in rebuilding her life? How did her family react to her loss of faith? What role does art and creativity play in healing? How does Louisa navigate her marriage, parenting, self-care, and spirituality?

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1698: Losing Faith as a BYU Professor - Louisa Killian Pt 1

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 28 Nov 2022 18:50:00 GMT

After her marriage to a "worthy" priesthood-holding Returned Missionary goes south when her husband is arrested for fraud, Louisa Killian finds love & equality in a relationship outside of the Church and a fulfilling career teaching dance at BYU. But when it's time to renew her Temple Recommend to keep her ecclesiastical endorsement (a requirement for employment at the Church school), Louisa finds that honesty has severe consequences.

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1697: Thriving in Love after Mormonism - Gary & Ernie

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 23 Nov 2022 22:56:00 GMT

Content Warning: Suicidal Ideation

Gary and Ernie were both raised members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They only had one major problem - they were gay. While Ernie tried marrying a woman and having children to "make the gay go away," Gary pursued graduate school, tried to date women, and eventually pursued a life of celibacy. At some point, both of their lives broke down.

Join us today for a true love story for the ages - how Gary and Ernie found love together, and how they are thriving today.

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1696: Marriage on a Tightrope Interviews Margi & John Dehlin

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 22 Nov 2022 19:00:00 GMT

Join Kattie & Allan from Marriage on a Tightrope as they interview John & Margi on the various aspects of faith transitioning as a couple.

Marriage on a Tightrope started as a resource for mixed-faith couples (like themselves) after Allan lost his faith. Mixed faith marriages have their own unique complications and issues and Allan & Kattie hold vulnerable conversations about their mixed faith marriage in order to give the listener context and resources to navigate their own relationship. They have helped hundreds of couples and families stay together and learn to love, accept, and communicate with each other when one goes through a faith transition.

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1695: Leaving the Mormon Church in Australia - Tani Berlo

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 21 Nov 2022 19:00:00 GMT

Content warning: Suicidal ideation, Drug addiction

Tani Berlo was raised in Australia as a biracial Mormon of Maori descent. Showing an early love for history, Tani asked many questions of her LDS seminary teacher regarding science and history that caused concern. This included questioning the validity of the "Lamanite" identity (from the Book of Mormon) handed to her as a descendent of the Maori people.

Later in Tani's teenage years she was shamed by her LDS church leaders for normative sexual exploration, and was ultimately summoned to a disciplinary council where she was asked sexually explicit questions by multiple men, and was disfellowshipped by the church. This led to significant sexual shame as a temple married Latter-day saint. After having children, Tani experienced significant post-partum depression and an opiate addiction, which when combined with her questioning of Mormon truth claims, led to a full-on faith crisis.

Today Tani hosts a TikTok channel on history with over 1.1 million followers.

This is Tani's Mormon story.

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1694: Mormon Church Supports Same-Sex Marriage?

Dr. John Dehlin — Sat, 19 Nov 2022 21:00:00 GMT

Join us for a discussion on the Mormon Church coming out "in support" of the Respect for Marriage Act, which many Mormons are mistakenly interpreting as support for LGBTQ people, and for same-sex marriage.

Co-host: Gerardo Sumano

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1693: Book Club - Jerald & Sandra Tanner - Despised and Beloved Critics of Mormonism

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 18 Nov 2022 21:30:00 GMT

Join us for our first Mormon Stories Book Club episode covering LIGHTHOUSE - Jerald and Sandra Tanner, a biography written by Ronald Huggins.

Co-host: Rebecca Bibliotheca

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Sandra Tanner

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1692: Gender Discrimination in the Mormon Church w/ John Larsen

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 18 Nov 2022 02:00:00 GMT

Despite reports of progress, the Church today remains a highly discriminator organization. In this episode the panel will identify and discuss specific, concrete examples of how the Church explicitly discriminates today.

Co-host: Sam Shelly

Special Guest: Channel Achenbach

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1691: Polygamy Apologetics, Spiritual Wifery, etc w/ LDS Discussions - 29

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 17 Nov 2022 19:00:00 GMT

Join John, Mike & Elisha Lee as they discuss common problematic apologies around the practice of polygamy in early Church History. From lies being called “carefully worded denials” and attempts to differentiate between “plural marriage” which God approved of or “spiritual wifery” which was not, and the fact that this is still current doctrine and what women have to look forward to in eternity and the harms caused past and present from this doctrine.

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1690: Gender Dysphoria & Mormonism - Amanda & Shaye Scott Pt. 2

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 15 Nov 2022 20:30:00 GMT

Content Warning: Suicide Ideation

For Part 2 we come back to Shaye and Amanda's story after Shaye returns home from his mission. We learn how Shaye got involved in film with Mormon music group "The Piano Guys," their early issues with infertility, Amanda's schooling and career and the class (and book) that started her slowly on the path to finding out the real history of her belief system.

We also take a deep dive into Shaye's growing dysphoria into their marriage how that developed into severe internalized transphobia, which extended to the whole LGBTQ community as a whole as even allyship felt too "close" and "dangerous" to the secret he was trying to keep buried.

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1689: The Tyranny of Mormon Patriarchal Blessings - Amanda & Shaye Scott Pt. 1

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 14 Nov 2022 19:30:00 GMT

Content Warning: Gender Dysphoria & Suicidal Ideation

Amanda and Shaye already have a following on their YouTube Channel "Great Scotts" but their video "Why we left the Mormon Church - coming out story" made an even bigger splash. Join us as we hear their stories growing up in Mormon families, their early testimonies and experiences with the Church, Shaye's gender dysphoria and thoughts of suicide, how they met, Shaye serving a mission, and their subsequent marriage after returning.

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1688: The Happiness Letter (Joseph Smith's Proposition to Nancy Rigdon) w/ LDS Discussions - 28

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:30:00 GMT

In part 5 of our 6-part series on polygamy within the LDS Discussions project, we discuss "The Happiness Letter," which was the letter Joseph Smith wrote to Nancy Rigdon to try to convince her to become one of his plural wives.

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1687: Mormon Leader Ahmad Corbitt Condemns Activism Towards the LDS Church

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 10 Nov 2022 00:30:00 GMT

Join us as we analyze a Mormon leader's private talk given to a small group of Church leaders that has stirred up the Mormon community. In his talk Ahmad S. Corbitt, first counselor in the LDS Church Young Men general presidency, vehemently condemns activism toward the Church.

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1686: Healing from Mormon Marital Sexual Dysfunction - Larissa and Jeff Kindred Pt. 3

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 09 Nov 2022 21:00:00 GMT

In Part 3 of 3 on this riveting story of Jeff & Larissa, we join them again as they bravely share their stories of sexual dysfunction due to LDS purity culture doctrines, Larissa's battle with breast cancer, Jeff's experiences with porn/masturbation, and BOTH Jeff and Larissa suppressing their sexuality.

They share their journey of healing and growing together in intimacy, as well as other changes post-Mormonism. What is parenting like? How have their beliefs changed and what do they believe now?

Larissa Kindred

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1685: Unraveling the Progressive Mormon Dream - Larissa & Jeff Kindred Pt. 2

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 08 Nov 2022 21:00:00 GMT

In this Part 2 of 3, we return to Jeff & Larissa's story. Now married, Larissa gives up her University Studies to help Jeff through Med school. They share their struggles with infertility, the adoption process, and adopting black children as orthodox Mormons.

Larissa faces difficulties in early motherhood and building resentment as they settle into traditional LDS gender roles. Larissa feels she is losing herself wrapped up in her husband's life, while at the same time trying to silence that part of her that is unhappy, seeing it as "wrong."

Larissa is called as a RS President, even as she becomes more vocally progressive/feminist and has hope for the Church to change, but it doesn't last.

Jeff realizes the Gospel can't fix Larissa's unhappiness as the root cause is Patriarchy. He serves in Bishoprics for 7 years before discovering more about Church history from the CES Letter, and Rough Stone Rolling, with the Gospel Topics Essays being the final straw.

Jeff & Larissa finally recognize the level of harm of systemic racism & sexism in Mormonism and no longer wish to be a part of it.

Larissa Kindred

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1684: A Japanese-American Mormon Story - Jeff and Larissa Kindred Pt. 1

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 08 Nov 2022 05:13:00 GMT

Join us as we meet Jeff & Larissa Kindred and follow their stories growing up as Latter-day Saints. Jeff's story includes a grooming scoutmaster, his love of sports, attending Snow College, and serving a mission in Jackson, Mississippi where he dealt with scrupulosity, unhealthy diet and exercise, becoming AP, and wrestling with racism in the Church culture & scripture.

Larissa's story involves her Japanese-American heritage, and gives a brief introduction on the history of anti-Japanese sentiment in Utah, including having been home to a Japanese "Work" Camp in Topaz. Larissa tells of the struggles her grandparents faced assimilating into Utah Culture and dealing with the loss of their own. Larissa also describes racism she experienced growing up in American Fork, UT and Mormon culture's ideals matching white beauty standards.

And this is just the beginning! Jeff and Larissa have a lot of experiences that many current and former Mormons will relate to and experiences that will be new for many to hear.

Larissa Kindred

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1683: Mormon Church Tax Scandal in Australia

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 04 Nov 2022 19:00:00 GMT

Join Simon Southerton and Neville Rochow as they discuss the breaking news story of potentially fraudulent behavior by the LDS Church in Australia.

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1682: Joseph Smith's Plural Marriage Proposals Pt 2 w/ LDS Discussions - 27

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 03 Nov 2022 18:00:00 GMT

Join Mike (LDS Discussions), Elisha, and John for Part 2 as they look at the techniques of influence that Joseph Smith used to propose to his plural wives.

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1681: Rebuilding My Life after Returning Early from Mormon Mission - Brinley Jensen Pt. 2

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 02 Nov 2022 18:00:00 GMT

Content Warning: Suicidal Ideation

Join us as Brinley returns to share what rebuilding her life was like after returning home from her mission and how she finally found her voice & happiness.

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1680: The Dark Side of a Mormon Mission - Brinley Jensen Pt. 1

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 01 Nov 2022 18:00:00 GMT

Content Warning: Suicidal Ideation & Planning

Join John & Margi as they interview young and spunky Brinley Jensen, a Gen Z returned missionary, as she shares her experiences growing up in the Church and the consequences she's faced at various times as she's spoken up for herself and grown into the person she is.

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1679: Joseph Smith's Plural Marriage Proposals Pt 1 w/ LDS Discussions - 26

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 27 Oct 2022 18:00:00 GMT

Join Mike (LDS Discussions), Elisha, and John as they look at the techniques of influence that Joseph Smith used to propose to his plural wives.

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1678: Tommy “THETOMSTERS” & Madison Johnson

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 25 Oct 2022 18:00:00 GMT

Join us for two unique Mormon Stories as John Dehlin & Samantha Shelley interview Tommy & Madison Johnson. Tommy made fans and haters on both sides of belief when he hit the TikTok scene during COVID with funny skits on the peculiarities of Mormonism. What viewers couldn't see was that Tommy was struggling to know how to deal with many of the messier topics in Church History as well as the darker sides of modern Mormon doctrines such as the stance against the LGBTQ+ community, which includes his own sister, while ALSO navigating his mixed-faith marriage with Madison who stopped believing entirely after their Temple Marriage. Madison describes her life as having been "born into a faith crisis" due to stigma and family shame around being conceived out of wedlock by a teen mother. Madison's struggles with the faith continued through most of her life despite her levels of activity/involvement in the Church, even through her Temple Marriage with Tom. Madison leaves the Church upon finding the CES letter and she and Tommy work through what this will mean for their marriage, and even end up on an episode of the podcast "Marriage on a Tightrope" with Katie & Allan Mount. They finish off with where the couple is at today and how life is going since all of the changes they've been through. Guests:

Tommy
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1677: John Larsen - Your Friend, the Church

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 21 Oct 2022 01:00:00 GMT

Supreme Court Amicus Curie briefings are a way for organizations to influence and become involved in significant Court cases. For many years the church has used its high-powered attorneys to file briefs in major cases. We will discuss which cases and what the church truly values.

Special Guest: Sam Shelly

Update: We've got a new episode on another case the Church recently supported 1781: Mormon Church Involved in Supreme Court Discrimination Case

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1676: D&C 132 - Joseph Smith's Polygamy "Revelation" w/ LDS Discussions - 25

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 20 Oct 2022 18:00:00 GMT

Today’s episode continues the discussion on Polygamy with the (in)famous revelation still canonized in Mormon/LDS scripture as Section 132 of the Doctrine & Covenants. Mike sets up the historical & personal context of the timing of this revelation and the problematic ideas presented in it as coming from God including how God views women, redefining adultery and other moral issues, and the various rules and justifications given by God to practice polygamy.

Mike goes on to show that Joseph admits himself that polygamy is something he wanted, and despite being the receiver of the various specific rules defined by God, he nevertheless proceeds to break every one of them.

Finally, Mike goes over the many apologetics around this section of the Doctrine & Covenants and the problems with most of the arguments attempting to justify the revelation, Joseph’s polygamy, and the resulting polygamy among many of the branches of Mormonism, some continuing to this day.

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1675: Navigating a Faith Crisis as Brothers-in-law: Chris Lee and Mitch Hadfield Pt. 2

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 18 Oct 2022 18:00:00 GMT

Going through a faith crisis can be a lonely and isolating experience, especially in a believing family, so imagine the relief to find someone else is going through the same thing! Join John & Margi as they interview Chris Lee and Mitch Hadfield about their Mormon Story, their struggles with the faith, their relief to find understanding, support & solidarity with each other, and where their lives are now.

In Part 2 of 2, Chris and Mitch explain the sources of their individual faith crises and how they processed it. Chris’ was a slow burn with a long amount of time spent in progressive Mormonism, while Mitch went from fairly conservative to a nonbeliever overnight. They explain the results of sharing their faith loss with each other, their wives, and other believing family members and where Chris and Mitch find themselves today.

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1674: Struggling to Complete a Mormon Mission: Chris Lee and Mitch Hadfield Pt. 1

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 17 Oct 2022 18:00:00 GMT

In Part 1 of 2, Chris and Mitch tell their respective stories growing up in Mormon families and share their individual struggles serving missions for the Church. Chris struggles deeply with depression and anxiety resulting in going home early though at the cost of guilt that will last for years. Mitch experiences shame over “unrepented sins,” difficulties of the mission, and deals with suicidal ideation, though his does finish the full two-year term.

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1673: An Introduction to Mormon Polygamy w/ LDS Discussions - 24

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 13 Oct 2022 18:00:00 GMT

Mike and John discuss the timeline and cultural context surrounding Joseph Smith at the time he claims to receive the revelation on polygamy which became canonized and is still considered scripture for many modern Mormon branches, some who still practice it today, and even ones who don't, like the largest Mormon branch headquartered in Salt Lake City, Utah.

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1672: Being Gay at BYU - Daniel Spencer Pt . 2

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 11 Oct 2022 18:00:00 GMT

Content Warning: Mention of sexual acts, suicide, & suicidal ideation

Join us for a very special episode & guest, Daniel Spencer (@DanBamBam on Social Media) to share his heartwarming story with us. From growing up as a closeted gay Mormon teenager in a country where being gay isn't just illegal, but dangerous, to his mission experiences and discovering his talent not just for comedy but for starting important conversations at BYU and beyond! Daniel Spencer (@DanBanBam)

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Trigger Warning: Suicides & Suicidal Ideation

In this part 2 of 2, Daniel returns to share what the remainder of his mission was like, his studies at BYU, dealing with his homosexuality, learning more about the Church's history and truth claims, and his attempts to learn to speak his truth out loud after decades of hiding who he was. Daniel attempts to use social media to bring attention to important issues as well as give people a chance to speak their truth, even if anonymously.

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1671: Growing Up Mormon in Zimbabwe - Daniel Spencer Pt . 1

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 10 Oct 2022 18:00:00 GMT

Content Warning: Mention of sexual acts, suicide, & suicidal ideation

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Content Warning: Mention of sexual acts

In Part 1 of 2, Dan tells us about his Mormon upbringing in Zimbabwe, from how his parents met each other, ended up in Zimbabwe, and what may be different for Zimbabwean Latter-day Saints from the more common US & Utah-based stories. We learn what his teens were like, including sexual mores and education where Dan grew up and he shares his own experiences. We also learn when and how Dan began to gain his testimony of the Gospel, his decision to attend BYU and serve a mission, and what his experiences were like going through the Temple for the first time and his early mission experiences.

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1670: October General Conference - Panel Discussion

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 06 Oct 2022 21:15:00 GMT

Description: Join us for our very first General Conference Panel of Discussion on Mormon Stories Podcast. John, Samantha, Gerardo, Nemo, and John’s dad, David will analyze a few statements made during the October 2022 Mormon General Conference. You can't miss this one! Official Channel for General Conference Guest Panelists:

Samantha Shelly
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1669: LDS Temple Endowment & Masonry w/ LDS Discussions - 23

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 06 Oct 2022 18:00:00 GMT

Join Mike and John as they discuss Mormonism’s early connection with Masonry through Joseph Smith and the unique problems it creates for members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to grapple with today.

Covered topics include the timeline of Joseph becoming a Master Mason before introducing the similarly-themed rituals of the Temple Endowment Ceremony, why many members and apologists claim Masonry to be of ancient origin despite evidence to the contrary, the many parallels between the secret rituals of both organizations, and whether or the Temple Endowment involved false doctrines.

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1668: Mormon Stake Presidency Counselor Confronts General Authorities - Evan and Weston Smith Pt. 3

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 05 Oct 2022 19:00:00 GMT

Trigger Warning: Suicidal Ideation

Evan Smith rose through the ranks of Mormon leadership ultimately becoming a Stake Presidency member. While serving as an LDS Bishop, Evan struggled with the Church’s positions on LGBTQ+ issues and later found out that his son Weston was gay. Even after coming out, Weston decided to serve an LDS Mission as an openly gay man, leading him to high levels of depression and heartbreaking experiences during and after coming back early from his mission.

In Part 3 of 3, Evan describes getting called as a Stake Counselor, his attempts to be an ally for LGBTQ individuals and his subsequent faith crisis. Evan has a few debates/confrontations with Area Seventy Elder McCune (higher than Stake Presidency in Mormon leadership) over his gay son. Evan emails Apostles and other leaders on how the Church can change to be more loving and accepting of LGBTQ members resulting in a meeting with General Authority Allen D. Haynie. Evan continues faith deconstruction when his wife begins her faith crisis, and they both come to see the issues with sexism in the Church, biblical scholarship opening up new issues, and the family’s ultimate decision to leave the Church.

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1667: Coming Out as the Gay Son of a Mormon Bishop, Serving a Mission - Evan and Weston Smith Pt.2

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 04 Oct 2022 19:00:00 GMT

Trigger Warning: Suicidal Ideation

In Part 2 of 3, we start off where we left with Weston’s story growing up as a gay Mormon kid, discovering his sexuality, his suicidal ideation, and his decision to serve a mission as an “out” gay Mormon. Upon experiencing suicidality again on his mission Weston has a “spiritual experience” which leads to his resolve to leave the church and live a happy life. Meanwhile, Evan gets a call to become a 1st counselor in the Stake Presidency.

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1666: Becoming a Progressive Mormon Bishop, Son Comes Out as Gay - Evan and Wes Smith Pt. 1

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 03 Oct 2022 18:00:00 GMT

Evan became an advocate for LGBTQ people in the Church. His position as a Stake Presidency Counselor led him to a few confrontations/discussions with General Authorities and a later meeting at Church Headquarters where they discussed Evan’s progressive beliefs on LGBTQ matters. Join John and Gerardo as they interview Evan and his son Weston about their fascinating Mormon Story.

In Part 1 of 3, we learn of Evan’s relatively normal LDS (Mormon) upbringing in Utah, early testimony-building experiences, and troubling issues on his mission regarding difficult Church topics including the Church’s racism & homophobia. Evan attends BYU and meets his wife, Cheryl, and works through law school with three children. He becomes a Branch President (leader of a local congregation-similar to a Bishop, but over a smaller congregation) and begins learning Gospel teachings and experiences weren’t as simple as they initially seemed, culminating in his son, Weston, coming out to him as gay.

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1663: Race and Mormon Scripture Pt 1 w/ LDS Discussions - 21

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1665: Race & Mormon Scripture Pt 2 w/ LDS Discussions - 22

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 29 Sep 2022 21:00:00 GMT

Join us for Part 2 of our discussion on Race and the Book of Mormon. Today Mike and John go over the various apologetics for the apparent racism in the Book of Mormon and early Church leaders, from denying those particular scriptures are literal, to saying “everyone was racist back then” and of course, breaking down the various problems each creates for a Church said to be built on the basis of revelation to modern prophets.

LDSdiscussions.com Essay on Race

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1664: Boy Scouts Bankruptcy and the Mormon Church - An Update w/ Tim Kosnoff

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 28 Sep 2022 16:00:00 GMT

TRIGGER WARNING: Mentions of Sexual Assault, Rape, Child Abuse

Tim Kosnoff is back to share an update about the Boy Scouts of America Bankruptcy Filing and urgent deadline at the end of 2022 for anyone in California who was abused by a Boy Scout Leader outside of official BSA activities to be able to join a class-action lawsuit before the window is closed forever.

Anyone with questions or think this might apply to themselves or someone they love are encouraged to contact an attorney (ideally one with experience with child abuse claims) to learn more. Tim Kosnoff is a US attorney who has spent the last two decades representing victims of abuse and has graciously volunteered to talk with anyone who may have questions about this case. Contact info provided below.

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1663: Race and Mormon Scripture Pt 1 w/ LDS Discussions - 21

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 22 Sep 2022 21:47:40 GMT

Join Mike from LDSdiscussions.com and John as they discuss race and Mormon scripture. This is part 1 of a 2-part series. We are also grateful to have a few call-in guests for this episode.

Today’s episode covers:

Personal stories from black members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) of the racist things said to them and ways they were treated, and how psychologically harmful the racist doctrines have been for them
The most problematic verses and teaching of past prophets from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that specifically highlight dark or black skin as a curse directly from God
Context and proof showing the belief literally meant dark skin and was not an idiom or euphemism for anything else
The early belief that the skin color of Indigenous North Americans could/did actually change to become lighter when converting to Mormonism and living more “righteously”
The Book of Abraham as evidence of Joseph Smith’s racism, codifying racism into scripture for ALL black people, not just as a curse specific to North American Indigenous people as stated in the Book of Mormon.
The doctrinal basis for the early Mormon ban against black people worshiping and marrying in the Temple, as well as the ban against black Mormon men from receiving the Priesthood, the authority needed to hold any leadership position in the Church as well as perform essential saving ordinances such as baptism, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost etc.
The real reasons the Church was pressured to lift the ban and the measures taken to make it happen despite continued vehement opposition among some Church leaders.

LDS Discussions Essay on Race

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1662: Losing Faith as the Grandson of an LDS Apostle (Joseph B. Wirthlin) - Greg Gerritsen Pt. 2

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 21 Sep 2022 02:15:51 GMT

Join us for Part 2 of our 2-part interview with pilot Greg Gerritsen

Join us for Part 2 of our 2-part interview with pilot Greg Gerritsen - grandson of the late and much believed Mormon or LDS Church apostle Joseph B. Wirthlin. In this series, Greg shares with us more of his own journey in the Church including:

Greg's mission experiences, many made more difficult by knowledge of his relationship with Elder Wirthlin
What Greg learned at Weber that began affecting his testimony
How often General Authorities miss out on family activities and events in service to the Church
How the Church deals with aging apostles once they begin to lose lucidity
How Greg lost his LDS testimony in spite of descending from the Mormon "elite," and what led him to want to tell his story.

Also, Greg shares his opinion on whether his grandfather actually "saw" Jesus Christ as an LDS apostle. We hope you enjoy!!!

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1661: Growing Up As a Grandson of a Mormon Apostle (Joseph B Wirthlin) - Greg Gerritsen Pt 1

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 19 Sep 2022 21:53:37 GMT

Join us for Part 1 of our 2-part interview with pilot Greg Gerritsen - grandson of the late and much believed Mormon or LDS Church apostle Joseph B. Wirthlin. In this series, Greg shares with us many fascinating stories about his experiences with his grandfather including:

The tendency of LDS church members to overly worship General Authorities, along with the unhealthy obsession some Mormons have with "access" to General Authorities.
The undying love Elder Wirthlin had for his wife (Elisa), his family, and for football.
The extent to which nepotism, cronyism, and patronage play a part in the selection of LDS church General Authorities.
The downsides/sacrifices of being an LDS church Apostle/General Authority.
The existence of divisions and "cliques" in the LDS church quorum of the 12 Apostles.
The unhealthy pressures and expectations put on the children and grandchildren of LDS General Authorities, that often lead to a familial emphasis on "public appearance" over healthy relationships.
The "code" that exists within families of LDS General Authorities to never do or say anything to bring dishonor to the family name or church, including speaking out about a loss of faith, which leads many descendants of LDS apostles to lie about and/or hide their loss of faith.

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1660: Why do Ex-Mormons Appear So Angry? w/ John Larsen & Carah Burrell

Dr. John Dehlin — Fri, 16 Sep 2022 02:13:55 GMT

[TW] Abuse, suicide

Carah B, John L, and John D go over the tropes and stereotypes of "hateful" ex-Mormons.

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1659: Word of Wisdom w/ LDS Discussions - 20

Dr. John Dehlin — Thu, 15 Sep 2022 19:35:06 GMT

John and Mike discuss the origins and influences around Joseph Smith and the Creation of the Word of Wisdom.

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1656-1658: A Scholarly Defense of Mormonism - Patrick Mason

1658: Tough Questions for John Dehlin - Patrick Mason Pt 3

Dr. John Dehlin — Wed, 14 Sep 2022 23:00:54 GMT

Patrick Mason returns to flip the script and put John under scrutiny!

Patrick Q. Mason holds the Leonard J. Arrington Chair of Mormon History and Culture at USU. He has written or edited several books, including Proclaim Peace: The Restoration’s Answer to an Age of Conflict (Maxwell Institute and Deseret Book, 2021); Mormonism and Violence: The Battles of Zion (Cambridge University Press, 2019); What Is Mormonism? A Student's Introduction (Routledge, 2017); Out of Obscurity: Mormonism since 1945, co-edited with John Turner (Oxford University Press, 2016); Directions for Mormon Studies in the Twenty-First Century (University of Utah Press, 2016); and The Mormon Menace: Violence and Anti-Mormonism in the Postbellum South (Oxford University Press, 2011). He was a Fulbright Scholar in Romania in 2015 and is a past president of the Mormon History Association. Professor Mason is frequently consulted by the national and international media on stories related to Mormon culture and history. He teaches courses on Mormonism, American religious history, and religion, violence, and peacebuilding.

Patrick Mason

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1657: A Scholarly Defense of Faithful Mormonism - Patrick Mason Pt 2

Dr. John Dehlin — Tue, 13 Sep 2022 23:00:53 GMT

Join us today for part 2 of our interview with faithful Mormon scholar Dr. Patrick Mason. In part 2 John and Margi discuss with Patrick his approach to thoughtful, faithful Mormonism as a scholar of Mormon Studies. Patrick Q. Mason holds the Leonard J. Arrington Chair of Mormon History and Culture at USU. He has written or edited several books, including Proclaim Peace: The Restoration’s Answer to an Age of Conflict (Maxwell Institute and Deseret Book, 2021); Mormonism and Violence: The Battles of Zion (Cambridge University Press, 2019); What Is Mormonism? A Student's Introduction (Routledge, 2017); Out of Obscurity: Mormonism since 1945, co-edited with John Turner (Oxford University Press, 2016); Directions for Mormon Studies in the Twenty-First Century (University of Utah Press, 2016); and The Mormon Menace: Violence and Anti-Mormonism in the Postbellum South (Oxford University Press, 2011). He was a Fulbright Scholar in Romania in 2015 and is a past president of the Mormon History Association. Professor Mason is frequently consulted by the national and international media on stories related to Mormon culture and history. He teaches courses on Mormonism, American religious history, and religion, violence, and peacebuilding.

Patrick Mason

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1656: Becoming a Faithful Scholar - Patrick Mason Pt 1

Dr. John Dehlin — Mon, 12 Sep 2022 23:00:01 GMT

LDS Scholar, author & apologist, Patrick Mason, shares his (brief) Mormon Story, including his childhood & teenage years before serving a Mission in Seattle, Washington. Patrick studies history at BYU, then Peacebuilding and Conflict Resolution at Notre Dame. Patrick explains how became nuanced and how he navigates difficult issues with the Mormon Church. He currently holds the Leonard J. Arrington Chair of Mormon History and Culture at Utah State University.

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