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		<title>Comment on The Housing Rescue Bill — What It Means to You, Part 1 of 2 by First time homebuyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>First time homebuyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>H.R. 6694  A Bill that would save seller-funded downpayment assistance from being eliminated on October 1 passed the House Financial Services Committee today on a voice vote amidst strong bipartisan support. The Bill, The FHA Seller-Financed Downpayment Reform and Risk-Based Pricing Authorization Act of 2008, or H.R. 6694, is expected to move to the floor for a full vote in the coming days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>H.R. 6694  A Bill that would save seller-funded downpayment assistance from being eliminated on October 1 passed the House Financial Services Committee today on a voice vote amidst strong bipartisan support. The Bill, The FHA Seller-Financed Downpayment Reform and Risk-Based Pricing Authorization Act of 2008, or H.R. 6694, is expected to move to the floor for a full vote in the coming days.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Everyone's an Expert in Real Estate — So Who to Believe? by ekgory</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 05:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, statistics are a nice way of showing historical trends and all, and provide possible predictable outcomes, but they’re no way indicative of trends in every single individual market, especially the Bay Area.  Sorry to disagree with you.  If you’re analyzing the stats from the comfort of your desk in Colorado, or Nevada, or New York, those stats are going to be a lot less believable to me than if you were here “in the trenches” talking to buyers and sellers in the SF Bay Area every day of the year.

In our market here, again sorry to break this to you, but statistics become absolutely irrelevant when demand exceeds supply.  Doesn’t matter what 10-city index or composite you’re looking at, but when you have 10 buyers all bidding on a house in Palo Alto that will spend whatever it takes, even $300K over asking price so it assures them their kids get into the PA Unified School District – I just can’t imagine that a single one of them is going to offer lower than asking price because a statistic said the trend is going downward. Buyers have mind-numbing money here, and they’re apparently not afraid to spend it, and will ignore what Mr. Shiller has to say in the process.

Sales activity and prices in many desirable neighbhorhoods just have not, on the whole, been crashing in markets like Los Altos, Palo Alto, San Carlos, Menlo Park, Atherton, and many others.   If you’ve sold a home in the Bay Area in the last year or two, and especially in one of these markets you’d know that they’re far from slowing down.  Sure, there’s peaks and valleys throughout the year, there always are, and to reiterate, I do realize it’s not rosy everywhere – Shoreview in San Mateo, east Menlo Park, Fair Oaks, Alameda County, those areas are not doing so hot. No one knows when those areas will rebound. But to say “it’s already happening here” is just blatantly untrue as a blanket statement for all of our Bay Area markets.  Call me overly optimistic, or naïve, but articles like this one - http://www.insidebayarea.com/sanmateocountytimes/ci_9652198  -  reinforce what we already know about our region. We hear what you’re selling, Mr. Shiller, but we’re not buying it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, statistics are a nice way of showing historical trends and all, and provide possible predictable outcomes, but they’re no way indicative of trends in every single individual market, especially the Bay Area.  Sorry to disagree with you.  If you’re analyzing the stats from the comfort of your desk in Colorado, or Nevada, or New York, those stats are going to be a lot less believable to me than if you were here “in the trenches” talking to buyers and sellers in the SF Bay Area every day of the year.</p>
<p>In our market here, again sorry to break this to you, but statistics become absolutely irrelevant when demand exceeds supply.  Doesn’t matter what 10-city index or composite you’re looking at, but when you have 10 buyers all bidding on a house in Palo Alto that will spend whatever it takes, even $300K over asking price so it assures them their kids get into the PA Unified School District – I just can’t imagine that a single one of them is going to offer lower than asking price because a statistic said the trend is going downward. Buyers have mind-numbing money here, and they’re apparently not afraid to spend it, and will ignore what Mr. Shiller has to say in the process.</p>
<p>Sales activity and prices in many desirable neighbhorhoods just have not, on the whole, been crashing in markets like Los Altos, Palo Alto, San Carlos, Menlo Park, Atherton, and many others.   If you’ve sold a home in the Bay Area in the last year or two, and especially in one of these markets you’d know that they’re far from slowing down.  Sure, there’s peaks and valleys throughout the year, there always are, and to reiterate, I do realize it’s not rosy everywhere – Shoreview in San Mateo, east Menlo Park, Fair Oaks, Alameda County, those areas are not doing so hot. No one knows when those areas will rebound. But to say “it’s already happening here” is just blatantly untrue as a blanket statement for all of our Bay Area markets.  Call me overly optimistic, or naïve, but articles like this one &#8211; <a href="http://www.insidebayarea.com/sanmateocountytimes/ci_9652198" rel="nofollow">http://www.insidebayarea.com/sanmateocountytimes/ci_9652198</a>  &#8211;  reinforce what we already know about our region. We hear what you’re selling, Mr. Shiller, but we’re not buying it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Everyone's an Expert in Real Estate — So Who to Believe? by Ed</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, location needs specifying.
Nationally, one had 9 years up, and (an extrapolated) 4-plus years down.  See second chart here (mine)
http://homepage.mac.com/ttsmyf/Freds_Straight_Lines.html
and another’s statement here
http://housingderivatives.typepad.com/housing_derivatives/2008/05/analytics-of-ho.html

The SF metro area S&amp;P/Case-Shiller nominal prices show -23% from the early 2006 peak; and the most volatile of their composite indices, the 10-city, is -18% from its same time peak.  “It can’t happen here” REWRITE -- it is already happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, location needs specifying.<br />
Nationally, one had 9 years up, and (an extrapolated) 4-plus years down.  See second chart here (mine)<br />
<a href="http://homepage.mac.com/ttsmyf/Freds_Straight_Lines.html" rel="nofollow">http://homepage.mac.com/ttsmyf/Freds_Straight_Lines.html</a><br />
and another’s statement here<br />
<a href="http://housingderivatives.typepad.com/housing_derivatives/2008/05/analytics-of-ho.html" rel="nofollow">http://housingderivatives.typepad.com/housing_derivatives/2008/05/analytics-of-ho.html</a></p>
<p>The SF metro area S&amp;P/Case-Shiller nominal prices show -23% from the early 2006 peak; and the most volatile of their composite indices, the 10-city, is -18% from its same time peak.  “It can’t happen here” REWRITE &#8212; it is already happening.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Everyone's an Expert in Real Estate — So Who to Believe? by ekgory</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekgory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, I appreciate your comment, and you're certainly entitled to your opinion. The 9 years up, 9 years down thing -- out of curiosity, where does that stat come from, and are you saying it's a national thing or a regional thing?  If it's a national housing average, then that's akin to saying there's a national weather average.  The SF Bay Area's population is expected to increase by over 2 million people over the next 30 years.  Job growth, biotech, nanotech, high tech -- sorry, we're just not experiencing the levels of financial or real estate despair as other parts of the country.  I'm not saying everything is rosy here -- sure, there are regions around here that are hurting. But overall, having lived here my whole life, I just don't see the Shiller index having any relevance at all to our housing industries -- people from across the country and all over the world continue to flock to the San Francisco Bay Area. The warm climate, beautiful setting, recreational activities, top universities, and career opportunities are all factors in attracting newcomers. Over the next 20 years, the Bay Area will be home to more than 8 million people -- a 16 percent increase over the current population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I appreciate your comment, and you&#8217;re certainly entitled to your opinion. The 9 years up, 9 years down thing &#8212; out of curiosity, where does that stat come from, and are you saying it&#8217;s a national thing or a regional thing?  If it&#8217;s a national housing average, then that&#8217;s akin to saying there&#8217;s a national weather average.  The SF Bay Area&#8217;s population is expected to increase by over 2 million people over the next 30 years.  Job growth, biotech, nanotech, high tech &#8212; sorry, we&#8217;re just not experiencing the levels of financial or real estate despair as other parts of the country.  I&#8217;m not saying everything is rosy here &#8212; sure, there are regions around here that are hurting. But overall, having lived here my whole life, I just don&#8217;t see the Shiller index having any relevance at all to our housing industries &#8212; people from across the country and all over the world continue to flock to the San Francisco Bay Area. The warm climate, beautiful setting, recreational activities, top universities, and career opportunities are all factors in attracting newcomers. Over the next 20 years, the Bay Area will be home to more than 8 million people &#8212; a 16 percent increase over the current population.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Everyone's an Expert in Real Estate — So Who to Believe? by S.B. ANTHONY</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.B. ANTHONY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THERE'S NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST.  Shiller is one of the few bright lights who knows what's really going on and shares it with the rest of us.
Housing cycle is 18 years.  9 years up, 9 years down.  The top of the housing market was June 2006.  That means that you won't see a true bottom until about 2015.   Banks/financials will bottom at about the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THERE&#8217;S NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST.  Shiller is one of the few bright lights who knows what&#8217;s really going on and shares it with the rest of us.<br />
Housing cycle is 18 years.  9 years up, 9 years down.  The top of the housing market was June 2006.  That means that you won&#8217;t see a true bottom until about 2015.   Banks/financials will bottom at about the same time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Everyone's an Expert in Real Estate — So Who to Believe? by Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From
http://housingderivatives.typepad.com/housing_derivatives/2008/06/case-shiller-v.html
there is this substantial clarity:
"... the latest (2008 Q1) S&amp;P/C-S US and OFHEO P-O differ little in their inferred U.S. national housing overpricings of 32% and 28%, respectively."

Please take the time to read the URL's content, which the news media keep from you for (their advertising revenue) cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From<br />
<a href="http://housingderivatives.typepad.com/housing_derivatives/2008/06/case-shiller-v.html" rel="nofollow">http://housingderivatives.typepad.com/housing_derivatives/2008/06/case-shiller-v.html</a><br />
there is this substantial clarity:<br />
&#8220;&#8230; the latest (2008 Q1) S&amp;P/C-S US and OFHEO P-O differ little in their inferred U.S. national housing overpricings of 32% and 28%, respectively.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please take the time to read the URL&#8217;s content, which the news media keep from you for (their advertising revenue) cause.</p>
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		<title>Comment on TIME article Presents a Potent Case for Buying Now by ekgory</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, Steve. Yes, the article's two months old -- firstly, I can't believe I missed it when it first came out. Probably because the only real estate stories the media seems to salivate over and regurgitate are the negative ones, and most of those have conclusions that I disagree with as well. A recent news report I saw on KTVU, in typical doom and gloom fashion, said the Bay Area market was in such a tumble, and as evidence of their award-winning reporting they pointed to 15 foreclosed homes in one neighborhood in Discovery Bay. Hmm, in my 44 years of growing up in this area, I can't recall the last time Discovery Bay was such a bellweather of Bay Area real estate.  Ah well, just another shoddy day in journalism, I guess. So who to believe these days? Talking heads? National averages? Economists who don't ever talk to real buyers and sellers? My own tendency is believe people in the trenches.  Five people will tell you we're in a recession, five will tell you we're not. Again, who to believe?

I don't discount that the market's cooling in many areas, nor that our country is not as economically strong as it was. I do get that.  If you can wait to buy, then by all means, wait. Sure, you can wait for more blood in the street, but no bell is going to ring when we've hit bottom and there's no more blood. Nobody can predict where &amp; when a bottom is, nobody.  Have we hit bottom in Palo Alto, where 9 out of the last 10 homes sold in the last 2 months were all 5-6 figures over asking price? Hmm, doubt it, and doubt we ever will. Have we hit a bottom in the Shoreview area in San Mateo?  Probably not.  A home in Twin Peaks listed at $4M sold for $5.6M, closed in 10 days, all cash. Has that market hit bottom?  If a buyer's looking for tremendous appreciation in one year, then, no, this is not the time to buy. Every buyer's situation is unique, and every neighborhood/block has different dynamics and supply/demand issues; but if a buyer is buying for the long term, then my opinion is, yes, it is a good time to buy. You take any 5 year window between 1968 and 2007, and the average (yeesh, I detest using averages sometimes) median price has always, ALWAYS increased. In 2002 the median was $316,130, in 2007 it was $588,970.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, Steve. Yes, the article&#8217;s two months old &#8212; firstly, I can&#8217;t believe I missed it when it first came out. Probably because the only real estate stories the media seems to salivate over and regurgitate are the negative ones, and most of those have conclusions that I disagree with as well. A recent news report I saw on KTVU, in typical doom and gloom fashion, said the Bay Area market was in such a tumble, and as evidence of their award-winning reporting they pointed to 15 foreclosed homes in one neighborhood in Discovery Bay. Hmm, in my 44 years of growing up in this area, I can&#8217;t recall the last time Discovery Bay was such a bellweather of Bay Area real estate.  Ah well, just another shoddy day in journalism, I guess. So who to believe these days? Talking heads? National averages? Economists who don&#8217;t ever talk to real buyers and sellers? My own tendency is believe people in the trenches.  Five people will tell you we&#8217;re in a recession, five will tell you we&#8217;re not. Again, who to believe?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t discount that the market&#8217;s cooling in many areas, nor that our country is not as economically strong as it was. I do get that.  If you can wait to buy, then by all means, wait. Sure, you can wait for more blood in the street, but no bell is going to ring when we&#8217;ve hit bottom and there&#8217;s no more blood. Nobody can predict where &amp; when a bottom is, nobody.  Have we hit bottom in Palo Alto, where 9 out of the last 10 homes sold in the last 2 months were all 5-6 figures over asking price? Hmm, doubt it, and doubt we ever will. Have we hit a bottom in the Shoreview area in San Mateo?  Probably not.  A home in Twin Peaks listed at $4M sold for $5.6M, closed in 10 days, all cash. Has that market hit bottom?  If a buyer&#8217;s looking for tremendous appreciation in one year, then, no, this is not the time to buy. Every buyer&#8217;s situation is unique, and every neighborhood/block has different dynamics and supply/demand issues; but if a buyer is buying for the long term, then my opinion is, yes, it is a good time to buy. You take any 5 year window between 1968 and 2007, and the average (yeesh, I detest using averages sometimes) median price has always, ALWAYS increased. In 2002 the median was $316,130, in 2007 it was $588,970.</p>
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		<title>Comment on TIME article Presents a Potent Case for Buying Now by Steve</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't agree with the conclusions of the article for several reasons.  First, the article is two months old.  It assumed that we had skirted a recession.  While the NBER hasn't defined the current situation as a recession, its long time chair (Martin Feldstein) did.  Problem two: the article thought the rate premium for jumbo loans would fall in short order.  It hasn't, even with the 'jumbo-conforming' loans up to $729k.

Other problem: arguing that because a rise in interest rates can eliminate financing savings from a 10% price reduction.  So?  While I might be paying the same each month *I am 10% wealthier*.  That seems a little important.  Equity matters: we can't all live on debt.

Finally, while there is blood in the street, why not wait for more?  If prices keep falling - which will only continue to fall if interest rates rise (the threat trying to induce potential buyers to buy) - why not wait?

Steve McB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with the conclusions of the article for several reasons.  First, the article is two months old.  It assumed that we had skirted a recession.  While the NBER hasn&#8217;t defined the current situation as a recession, its long time chair (Martin Feldstein) did.  Problem two: the article thought the rate premium for jumbo loans would fall in short order.  It hasn&#8217;t, even with the &#8216;jumbo-conforming&#8217; loans up to $729k.</p>
<p>Other problem: arguing that because a rise in interest rates can eliminate financing savings from a 10% price reduction.  So?  While I might be paying the same each month *I am 10% wealthier*.  That seems a little important.  Equity matters: we can&#8217;t all live on debt.</p>
<p>Finally, while there is blood in the street, why not wait for more?  If prices keep falling &#8211; which will only continue to fall if interest rates rise (the threat trying to induce potential buyers to buy) &#8211; why not wait?</p>
<p>Steve McB</p>
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