https://outlinersoftware.com Discussions about outliner software en-us Tue, 07 Jul 2026 12:04:35 -0400 https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12688 msg-48258 Tue, 07 Jul 2026 12:04:35 -0400 MadaboutDana Heh, yes, I've actually been looking at a brand-new Craft installation (having over-filled my own with too much stuff, much of it unsorted and rather inelegant, all collected since the earliest days of Craft), and I accept that it's made huge progress. But the comments made by @exatty95 are also very pertinent. It's not just tagging, it's also Craft's somewhat iffy search function, which doesn't always find stuff you know is in there (although again, I'd certainly agree that it's hugely impr I use Craft for things like trip planning and other projects where I'm collecting information from various sources, and I find it great for that. I don't find it useful for actually working with information at any kind of scale. I've gotten used to using properties/fields/attributes, etc., for finding information based on more nuanced categories, and I don't have the sense that Craft can easily do that the way Tinderbox/Tana/Remnote and others can. Craft was surprisingly slow to adopt tags, and it's still quite rough around the edges in that area (e.g., users have called it out for not implementing global management of tags yet -- to edit a tag name, you have to do it individually in every item with that tag).]]> https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12688 msg-48257 Tue, 07 Jul 2026 11:26:24 -0400 exatty95 I too am nearing retirement, and recently I've been looking at Remnote as a possible replacement for Tana now that Tana has gone all-in on collaboration and AI. Remnote has potential as a PKM, even though I have no need at all for the student-focused flashcards other learning methods. It also seems to have had staying power. For me it may fall into that group of apps that I'm more likely to spend time customizing than actually using, and it also falls into the $95-$150/yr range that seems to be https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12688 msg-48256 Tue, 07 Jul 2026 10:49:56 -0400 Stephen Zeoli While I do not dispute this in one sense, in another I do. I recognize the amazing flexibility of Obsidian, but much of that relies on third-party plug-ins, which I don't entirely trust. Craft has an amazing amount of versatility out of the box. To some extent this is apples and oranges. There are things you can do with Obsidian that you can't with Craft, but I don't need those functionalities. So for me, personally, Craft would be the better choice. Bill wrote: > I've tried to love Craft bu I've tried to love Craft but... no. It's a bit too fragmented for my liking, although it's a beautiful app and the team behind it work like Trojans to improve it. If you want that kind of complexity, opt for Obsidian (and maybe Obsidian Sync).]]> https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12457 msg-48254 Tue, 07 Jul 2026 10:25:37 -0400 MadaboutDana Can't argue with that. It is quite a nice sharing platform (although my wife found it so annoying she flatly refused to use it). And it does look lovely :-) https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12678 msg-48253 Tue, 07 Jul 2026 10:24:21 -0400 MadaboutDana You are amazing, Mark! I've never seen anything quite like it – MojoPad comes across as an astonishingly mature app, despite the dizzying rate of development. I shall have to invest (not least because my 14 days have run out!) ;-) https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12688 msg-48252 Tue, 07 Jul 2026 10:22:32 -0400 MadaboutDana Increasingly, I'm looking for apps that work across all platforms, not just Mac and Windows (reading a lot of Cory Doctorow at the moment, and boy, the manipulations of Big Tech are just so depressing!) So I'm experimenting on ZorinOS (a very nice Linux distro that comes as close to Mac/Windows as you could possibly expect, and is remarkably difficult to bork – unlike e.g. Linux Mint which, despite its stellar reputation, is very easy to f*ck up as a relative novice in Linux customisation). https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12685 msg-48251 Tue, 07 Jul 2026 09:58:46 -0400 MadaboutDana Yes, that impressed me too! Cheers, Bill Graham Rhind wrote: >I like Exsut ... a lot .... even though it's currently just a skeleton of what is could be. But what impresses me most is downloading the program on Friday, sending bug reports and improvement suggestions on Saturday and Sunday and then getting a new version with everything I'd suggested sorted on Monday evening! > >Chapeau! I like Exsut ... a lot .... even though it's currently just a skeleton of what is could be. But what impresses me most is downloading the program on Friday, sending bug reports and improvement suggestions on Saturday and Sunday and then getting a new version with everything I'd suggested sorted on Monday evening! > >Chapeau!]]> https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12688 msg-48250 Tue, 07 Jul 2026 09:33:01 -0400 Stephen Zeoli [I started to write this in response to Craft comments in the recent Walling thread, but then decided it might need a thread of its own.] I am getting close to retiring, so two things are occurring: 1. I won't need apps that work on Mac AND Windows; and 2. I am looking to cutback on the apps I pay for and what I pay for them. This likely means I will stop using my favorite app, Reflect, because it costs $120 a year and is basically just a daily notes app (a great one). Craft is a https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12685 msg-48249 Tue, 07 Jul 2026 05:20:32 -0400 Graham Rhind I like Exsut ... a lot .... even though it's currently just a skeleton of what is could be. But what impresses me most is downloading the program on Friday, sending bug reports and improvement suggestions on Saturday and Sunday and then getting a new version with everything I'd suggested sorted on Monday evening! Chapeau! https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12678 msg-48248 Tue, 07 Jul 2026 01:20:09 -0400 Mark My last post for the evening. All releases have gone out. 1.23.0 is the most current release. Sorry to push all these out an once, but there were many reasons to do so on my end. You will feel like you have a new app to play with, but hey, that's why we are in this forum! Seriously, there is a lot here to digest in regards to features. MojoPad has grown from a kid to adulthood, very quickly. Take your time, look at the docs, check the what's new section of the website. Explore the app, with so m https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12678 msg-48247 Tue, 07 Jul 2026 00:37:18 -0400 Mark I also just dropped 1.20.0, this is a very big release. MojoPad gets a canvas. Since I pushed out 3 releases before some of you may get around to downloading the latest, you might miss some of the popup what's new message for each release. I suggest you check the what's new section of the webpage: https://mojopad.app/whats-new I am pushing out all of my backlog as it is getting to be too much to manage. 3 more releases will go out later today. 1.21.0, 1.22.0, and 1.23.0. Many, many, more new https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12678 msg-48246 Mon, 06 Jul 2026 23:44:56 -0400 Mark 1.19.0 was just released. It has your requested feature in it. Please let me know what you think. Mark marlowe wrote: >Mark wrote: >>Also, are there features in another PKM/Second Brain apps that you have used that had a killer feature you wish MojoPad had? Don't be shy, if you don't ask, you may not get it. > >Mark, MojoPad as-is is awesome, and I don't have suggestions for it as a VoodooPad replacement for me; it's working great. One feature that I've looked for for a long time in a Mark wrote: >>Also, are there features in another PKM/Second Brain apps that you have used that had a killer feature you wish MojoPad had? Don't be shy, if you don't ask, you may not get it. > >Mark, MojoPad as-is is awesome, and I don't have suggestions for it as a VoodooPad replacement for me; it's working great. One feature that I've looked for for a long time in a local PKM app is spaced repetition. Emacs and org-mode have proved too complicated and fiddly for me, though there's an org-drill module for this (https://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/org-drill.html) which seems like it would do what I'm looking for. > >Going way, way back, there was apparently a Mac app that was a combination outliner and spaced repetition system called MindBurn. Here's a review from 2008 https://huginn.net/foolsworkshop/reviews/index.html%3Fp=13.html that describes what that app was trying to do, which strikes me a similar to RemNote today, but locally and offline. That is what appeals to me--the idea of having notes and flashcards in one place, where the flashcards are using an algorithm like Anki's SM-2 or FSRS to surface cards just before you forget them. (As an aside, and speaking of niche applications, there was one Full Recall (https://fullrecall.com) that I used for awhile when a Windows users because it's algorithm was supposed to be customized through a neural network to the user.) > >I just really like the idea of having an integrated flashcard system with a smart review scheduling system inside my notes system, and it seems hard to find a non-subscription option for this today outside of org-mode and org-drill. Thanks for asking for ideas, and I recognize there may not be much interest in this one as there are lots of standalone flashcard applications such as Anki that people like.]]> https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12678 msg-48245 Mon, 06 Jul 2026 19:15:03 -0400 Mark Release 1.18.0 went out earlier today, this was the implementation of your request. Just wanted to follow up to see if it hit the mark of what you were looking for? Mark MadaboutDana wrote: >Well, if there's two things that would be wonderful: >a) folding (under headers, perhaps) >b) the ability, currently exclusive to Ulysses (and the alas defunct Novellus), to view multiple documents/notes together/simultaneously, i.e. as a single document, while still being able to edit them > >Mar Well, if there's two things that would be wonderful: >a) folding (under headers, perhaps) >b) the ability, currently exclusive to Ulysses (and the alas defunct Novellus), to view multiple documents/notes together/simultaneously, i.e. as a single document, while still being able to edit them > >Mark wrote: >> Also, are there features in another PKM/Second Brain apps that you have used that had a killer feature you wish MojoPad had?]]> https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12457 msg-48244 Mon, 06 Jul 2026 10:10:22 -0400 Ken MadaboutDana wrote: >I've tried to love Craft, but after many years of fiddling with it and never finding a "best way" to integrate it with my own ways of working, I've finally abandoned it. But I can see why it appeals to others! Yes, it is a bit free form, but I use it for gathering and holding information on projects. And it is not too hard to share information with my wife when we do things like trip planning. It is not ideal, but it is better than Walling in its current state. And th I've tried to love Craft, but after many years of fiddling with it and never finding a "best way" to integrate it with my own ways of working, I've finally abandoned it. But I can see why it appeals to others! Yes, it is a bit free form, but I use it for gathering and holding information on projects. And it is not too hard to share information with my wife when we do things like trip planning. It is not ideal, but it is better than Walling in its current state. And the price was right since they offered me an annual price for life. --Ken]]> https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12685 msg-48243 Mon, 06 Jul 2026 05:56:38 -0400 Exsut Hi, thanks for your kind words and feedback. I will certainly take these comments into consideration for the next build. MadaboutDana wrote: >First things first: it's a very beautiful app, really very good looking (nice website, too). > >A few observations: >- even after messing about for a bit, I couldn't work out how to include items from the various modules in my Brain >- markdown support is variable; although, for example, we are told that Brain notes support markdown, in practic First things first: it's a very beautiful app, really very good looking (nice website, too). > >A few observations: >- even after messing about for a bit, I couldn't work out how to include items from the various modules in my Brain >- markdown support is variable; although, for example, we are told that Brain notes support markdown, in practice they are displayed as straight text (also in the Brain view itself) >- the journal editor doesn't appear to have the markdown support found in notes >- there's no obvious way to collect items together in folders – I'm assuming it doesn't support folders? >- the handling of tags is a little awkward, especially if one has a LOT of items in a given module (e.g. notes) > >Them's my thoughts after a fairly limited play! > >I like the small footprint (very impressive!) >I like the general look and feel (apart from the iffy markdown support!) >I like the way you can select/ditch modules]]> https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12685 msg-48242 Mon, 06 Jul 2026 05:55:26 -0400 Exsut Hi Franz, we do not not have access to your data in the slightest, encryption is on of the features of the app so we highlight it a bit more, although the focus on encryption has been dialled down a bit more on the website. Franz Grieser wrote: >Hi Chris. > >Looks interesting. >What puzzles me: Why are you emphasizing the encryption feature that much? Data is stored locally. Or do you have access to it? > >Best wishes Hi Chris. > >Looks interesting. >What puzzles me: Why are you emphasizing the encryption feature that much? Data is stored locally. Or do you have access to it? > >Best wishes]]> https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12685 msg-48241 Mon, 06 Jul 2026 05:54:19 -0400 Exsut Hi Paul, on www.exsut.com Paul Korm wrote: >Thanks Chris >Where do we find Exsut? Thanks Chris >Where do we find Exsut?]]> https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12685 msg-48240 Mon, 06 Jul 2026 05:53:47 -0400 Exsut Please do, it can be found at www.exsut.com https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12457 msg-48239 Mon, 06 Jul 2026 03:45:21 -0400 MadaboutDana I've tried to love Craft, but after many years of fiddling with it and never finding a "best way" to integrate it with my own ways of working, I've finally abandoned it. But I can see why it appeals to others! https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12674 msg-48238 Sun, 05 Jul 2026 18:04:26 -0400 macosxguru Another article on Kosshi. Kosshi Improves https://bicycleforyourmind.com/kosshi-improves #macOS macosxguru https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12678 msg-48237 Sun, 05 Jul 2026 15:55:53 -0400 Mark 1.17.0 released. In this release you have several personas to choose from in the AI panel. My favorite being the professor. Choosing a person then presents you with 6 prompts you can use, or you can use your own. After the results of a query are presented, a list of 5 questions you can ask based on the content. A quick way to go down a rabbit hole on a particular subject. https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12685 msg-48236 Sat, 04 Jul 2026 16:36:08 -0400 MadaboutDana First things first: it's a very beautiful app, really very good looking (nice website, too). A few observations: - even after messing about for a bit, I couldn't work out how to include items from the various modules in my Brain - markdown support is variable; although, for example, we are told that Brain notes support markdown, in practice they are displayed as straight text (also in the Brain view itself) - the journal editor doesn't appear to have the markdown support found in notes - https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12685 msg-48235 Sat, 04 Jul 2026 14:28:11 -0400 Franz Grieser Hi Chris. Looks interesting. What puzzles me: Why are you emphasizing the encryption feature that much? Data is stored locally. Or do you have access to it? Best wishes https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12685 msg-48234 Sat, 04 Jul 2026 14:25:13 -0400 Franz Grieser Paul Korm wrote: >Thanks Chris >Where do we find Exsut? www.exsut.com Thanks Chris >Where do we find Exsut? www.exsut.com]]> https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12685 msg-48233 Sat, 04 Jul 2026 12:34:05 -0400 Paul Korm Thanks Chris Where do we find Exsut? https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12685 msg-48232 Sat, 04 Jul 2026 10:44:30 -0400 MadaboutDana Dang, sounds interesting! I shall have to check it out... https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12678 msg-48231 Fri, 03 Jul 2026 15:35:29 -0400 Mark OK, 2 chunky releases out of the way. 1.14.0 and 1.15.0. Taking additional requests. I think I added most if not all of the recent requests into sprints. I am currently working on 1.20.0. Lots of cool things coming in those releases. I am no longer marketing MojoPad as a personal Wiki. It has clearly grown beyond that and will continue to do so. I would consider it a thinking space for your MAC. My new tagline for the app is: "A Digital Playground For The Mind" You will understand this better as https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12687 msg-48230 Fri, 03 Jul 2026 05:17:29 -0400 MadaboutDana Thought I'd just put in a quick note about an Obsidian plugin I've just discovered: Canvas2Document. Basically, it generates a complete document from all or selected cards/notes on an Obsidian canvas (with a wide variety of arrangements possible). It does it in two phases (both neatly covered by icons in the sidebar): first, a draft "everything you could possibly want, including YAML, lists of links etc." version, followed (once you've decided exactly what you want) by a "clean" version. It's https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12457 msg-48229 Fri, 03 Jul 2026 02:02:03 -0400 Ken Quick update: The time for my annual renewal was coming up, and I decided to cancel my subscription. I am not really sure what is going on at Walling, but after giving them a full year of a paid subscription, there has been no real user product offered, and I was not about to pay for another year, especially since they never offered a replacement web clipper which I used quite often. Sad, as there was a lot I liked about Walling, but Craft.do has filled much of that role for me, and then so https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12686 msg-48228 Thu, 02 Jul 2026 19:07:25 -0400 MadaboutDana Interesting. I've been playing with Coppice (not for long, admittedly), and so far it's been rather good. There are things still missing and a couple of clunkers, but also some very nice, elegant touches. satis wrote: >I own a couple iOS and Mac apps by Troughton-Smith and some are good, some terrible. I own a couple iOS and Mac apps by Troughton-Smith and some are good, some terrible.]]>