https://outlinersoftware.com Discussions about outliner software en-us Mon, 14 Sep 2026 06:43:11 -0400 https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12710 msg-48460 Mon, 14 Sep 2026 06:43:11 -0400 Stephen Zeoli Good question. I will say this for them, unlike many other "developers" who took over a mature product with promises of further development, the new owners of Walling do seem to have tried to make good. I don't think it is an app I need any longer; however, if I were still working, I think I would give it a try. The "old" Walling was pretty useful. MadaboutDana wrote: >Such a nice idea. But can one trust them... ? Such a nice idea. But can one trust them... ?]]> https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12707 msg-48459 Mon, 14 Sep 2026 06:16:26 -0400 Andy Brice >All the Big Tech bros appear to be moving in the direction of mass-commodification – of their users, not just their products, turning us all into cogs in their more or less well-designed machines Yes. Windows gets ever more intrusive. I also resent the fact that Microsoft makes me pay again and again for Windows, Office etc. Products that don't seem to have improved in any meaningful way (for me anyway) in 20 years. All the Big Tech bros appear to be moving in the direction of mass-commodification – of their users, not just their products, turning us all into cogs in their more or less well-designed machines Yes. Windows gets ever more intrusive. I also resent the fact that Microsoft makes me pay again and again for Windows, Office etc. Products that don't seem to have improved in any meaningful way (for me anyway) in 20 years.]]> https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12707 msg-48458 Mon, 14 Sep 2026 05:57:38 -0400 MadaboutDana Hm, I've found competent local AI doesn't necessarily overburden local hardware, especially the Chinese models. The American approach does lead us all to believe that without ridiculous amounts of compute power, you're damned to some kind of AI-free hell (or heaven, according to some of us!). But a large part of that is propaganda based on the usual "let's build a bigger bomb" logic that appears to have driven American commercialism ever since the late 19th century. Models like Qwen3 are remarka https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12708 msg-48457 Mon, 14 Sep 2026 05:51:04 -0400 MadaboutDana I've been playing with it over the weekend, and find it to be an exceptionally flexible take on your standard outliner. There have been a couple of previous apps that allowed you to extend outlines horizontally (can't remember the names, offhand), but this is IMHO by far the most elegant (and gives you the option of extending vertically, too – now that's unusual). Some of this behaviour I can emulate in Obsidian (using e.g. Gingko-alike Lineage), but not as easily/flexibly. Argh! A CRIMPing m https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12688 msg-48456 Mon, 14 Sep 2026 05:47:13 -0400 MadaboutDana Yep, refurbs are now my preferred option – you can get some outstanding bargains on refurbished hardware. My Microsoft Surface Laptop 3 (7 years old, but still powerful enough for what I'm doing, especially running Linux) cost me just EUR 250 (8 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD) a month or so ago. Fedora Linux (in my limited experience, the best on Surface laptops) is, of course, free. The prices of refurbs are also going up, but not as much as brand-new machines (although you can still buy reasonably pri https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12710 msg-48455 Mon, 14 Sep 2026 05:42:03 -0400 MadaboutDana Such a nice idea. But can one trust them... ? https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12709 msg-48454 Mon, 14 Sep 2026 05:41:42 -0400 MadaboutDana SeaTable will also do this – and the free tier is a very generous one (I've been experimenting with it for some time). https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12707 msg-48453 Mon, 14 Sep 2026 02:13:33 -0400 Simon washere wrote: >MadaboutDana wrote: >Keep the Macs buddy, you'll need them for ai tools. That's the exact reason to ditch Apple. Local LLMs will wear out local hardware at a phenomenal rate. Also, the likelihood that Apple won't allow you to delete or opt out of semantic databases brings in massive risks to your data. MadaboutDana wrote: >Keep the Macs buddy, you'll need them for ai tools. That's the exact reason to ditch Apple. Local LLMs will wear out local hardware at a phenomenal rate. Also, the likelihood that Apple won't allow you to delete or opt out of semantic databases brings in massive risks to your data.]]> https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12708 msg-48452 Mon, 14 Sep 2026 00:28:30 -0400 washere Nice review & blog, Thanks, will read resta posts during the week. + font size can be changed, in the pro version at least, didn't use the free version tho. https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12708 msg-48451 Sun, 13 Sep 2026 22:04:04 -0400 Luhmann At first I was bothered that almost all the features of the app I'd be interested in require you to pay for the app. But you can subscribe to pro for just $0.99 per month (there is also a reasonable lifetime purchase option if you decide you like it). https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12688 msg-48450 Sun, 13 Sep 2026 17:27:43 -0400 Andy Brice Simon wrote: >ramapocalypse I was quite shocked how much the price of magnetic harddisks have also gone up. ~100% in a year. ramapocalypse I was quite shocked how much the price of magnetic harddisks have also gone up. ~100% in a year.]]> https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12709 msg-48449 Sun, 13 Sep 2026 17:26:01 -0400 Andy Brice >I need Notion’s ‘databases’ feature: tables containing text data (names, dates, phone numbers, etc.) as well as numbers, and the ability to perform calculations on certain columns, such as adding up a column of numbers. Airtable will do all that and more. it uite powerful and easy to use. But it is online, has a monthly sub and is limited to the number of rows per base (depending on tier). No doubt it will be having AI features rammed into it, if it hasn't already. I need Notion’s ‘databases’ feature: tables containing text data (names, dates, phone numbers, etc.) as well as numbers, and the ability to perform calculations on certain columns, such as adding up a column of numbers. Airtable will do all that and more. it uite powerful and easy to use. But it is online, has a monthly sub and is limited to the number of rows per base (depending on tier). No doubt it will be having AI features rammed into it, if it hasn't already.]]> https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12688 msg-48448 Sun, 13 Sep 2026 16:12:17 -0400 Simon I'm nowhere near retiring yet, but cost of living increases, ramapocalypse, subscription increases, and Apple's 20% price hike is doing the same. I have moved much of my work to paper which works in my context and we have a charity Google workspace that covers many other things. I'm reviewing all my subscriptions over the next 3 years as I'm leaving my m1 mac on Sequioa and will be deciding in the next year my tech direction. I've also been contemplating that subscriptions are no longer the https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12709 msg-48447 Sun, 13 Sep 2026 15:35:54 -0400 Simon I think this is going to be difficult in CMS type apps. If you don't mind using more than one app Devonthink would be good. You can copy spreadsheets in and edit them in whichever ever spreadsheet app you normally use. Devonthink would easily store the data and allow you to search. Curio by Zengobi would also do this. No AI necessary. Longer term the issue will be with OSes that are building in AI like Apple. I'm purposely staying on Seqouia and deciding in the next 3 years what I do when https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12709 msg-48446 Sun, 13 Sep 2026 13:34:15 -0400 MacSE Hello; thank you for your reply. I use a Mac (desktop, laptop, iPad, iPhone). I make extensive use of synchronisation between my computer and my iPhone. I use Notion to manage a holiday rental business; I’ve created a database organised by year, with one page per booking (customer name, arrival and departure dates, contact details, etc.). I also use it for my photography business (dates, locations, clients’ contact details, quote amounts, etc.). Nothing too sophisticated, but that’s real life… https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12707 msg-48444 Sun, 13 Sep 2026 12:32:42 -0400 washere A reusable skill that turns Hermes into a multi-agent orchestrator. This skill, & post, is for anyone here who is already using Hermes. https://github.com/TheGMPTeam/hermes-agent-swarm Nous REFs: https://hermes-agent.nousresearch.com/docs/user-guide/features/kanban-tutorial https://hermes-agent.nousresearch.com/docs/user-guide/features/kanban https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12710 msg-48443 Sun, 13 Sep 2026 07:40:58 -0400 Stephen Zeoli It seems like the long-awaited resurrection of Walling is here. It is being rebranded as Walling.io. I am unsure in what ways it differs from the original Walling, though it is a little more expensive and it seems to have integrated AI. Learn more here: https://walling.io I wish they had a document noting the differences. Steve https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12709 msg-48442 Sun, 13 Sep 2026 07:33:27 -0400 Stephen Zeoli I don't blame you for trying to avoid AI. I am too, although more because I fear it will make me a lazy thinker than for security, though there is that too. Can you tell us more about your needs. Are you on Mac or Windows? Do you need iOS or Android Access? https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12709 msg-48441 Sun, 13 Sep 2026 05:15:15 -0400 MacSE Hello, unlike many people here, I’m currently trying to organise myself without AI. This worries me, whether rightly or wrongly. For my personal organisation, I use Notion a lot. At first, you had to pay extra to access the AI features. Now, the AI is free – although it’s no doubt subject to certain limitations – and I’ve just discovered in the settings that it’s impossible to delete all the AI models; you have to select at least one. So I’m looking for an app to which I can safely migrate my https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12707 msg-48440 Fri, 11 Sep 2026 17:11:30 -0400 Amontillado To me, hyperplan can work as a multi value todo list. It’s also my bill-paying dashboard. It’s shocking how many companies - Travelers Insurance, looking at you- have unreliable billing. Hyperplan cards turn yellow and red as expected invoicing approaches. When I pay a bill, the shift date function carries it forward. Nothing works better. https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12707 msg-48439 Fri, 11 Sep 2026 16:17:06 -0400 washere "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe", and the answers is: 42 https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12707 msg-48438 Fri, 11 Sep 2026 12:20:59 -0400 MadaboutDana Ah, there's no hijacking of threads in this forum – things end up far, far away from where they started! ;-) https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12708 msg-48437 Fri, 11 Sep 2026 12:19:42 -0400 MadaboutDana Thanks for the tip! Now that is a very nice piece of software... https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12707 msg-48436 Fri, 11 Sep 2026 11:46:43 -0400 Andy Brice Commercial success is always one more feature away. ;0) A mode to place cards freely was high on the wishlist for v3. But I have made it policy never to promise future features. Anyway, I don't want to hijack this thread. https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12707 msg-48435 Fri, 11 Sep 2026 09:51:25 -0400 washere I occasionally use it as I'd made lovely templates for it. As I said years ago, the only thing that stopped it becoming huge was the promised ability that never materialized: free floating feature of any card, without other cards moving around, as an available mode. Essence & raison d'être of the genre. https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12708 msg-48434 Fri, 11 Sep 2026 07:43:58 -0400 macosxguru Traverse Through Outlines https://bicycleforyourmind.com/traverse-through-outlines #macOS macosxguru https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12707 msg-48433 Fri, 11 Sep 2026 05:11:51 -0400 Andy Brice Hyper Plan is in a super-competitive market. The market for native Mac/Windows software is also shrinking. And vibe-coded competition is not helping. I hoped that I could do something different enough to stand out. But ultimately I wasn't able to make enough sales to justify putting in a lot more effort on continued development. I have instead focussed my energies on PerfectTablePlan and Easy Data Transform. It is a pity, because I love Hyper Plan, enjoyed developing it and use it pretty much https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12707 msg-48432 Thu, 10 Sep 2026 15:52:43 -0400 washere Would be nice if development resumed on hyperplan after so Long, was the jewel in crown & would help other projects started afterwards get more traction & attention too https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12707 msg-48431 Thu, 10 Sep 2026 04:18:51 -0400 Andy Brice Some people use my https://www.hyperplan.com app for writing. Rather than traditional Kanban (a list of lists of cards) it is a 2D array of cards, automatically laid out from the card data. And you can set colours, symbols etc by other card properties. Plus you can change which properties you are visualizing by in a few clicks. It's not free, but it is currently 25% off at https://www.artisanalsoftwarefestival.com. Full disclosure: It is not currently being actively developed, but it is quite ma https://outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/12706 msg-48430 Thu, 10 Sep 2026 01:14:01 -0400 MadaboutDana Hm, okay, but why not just use a good full-text indexing engine?