Overpopulation: unending growth on our finite planet is impossible.

Advocating for murder, eugenics, or culling people does not help make recognition of overpopulation more mainstream.

2021-08-12T00:28:58+00:00

I don't know how often I have to repeat this, but I'll say it again. If you think the way to solve overpopulation is to murder people en masse, advocate for any sort of forced program a la eugenics or forced sterilisation, then you're not helping.

Instead, you're actively harming the goal of making recognition of overpopulation mainstream. No one is ever going to agree with the terms or viewpoints you've laid out. The only way to get people to identify overpopulation as a genuine problem is to push solutions that a broad base of people can agree with.

Posted because there's been an uptick in comments espousing these views recently. If you want an instant, permanent ban from this subreddit, this is a great way to get one.

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What are some links that you like to share in discussions relevant to overpopulation?

2026-04-29T20:28:16+00:00

Let's share some of the links that we find useful when we're discussing overpopulation and related topics. I'm interested in anything that you've found yourself returning to.

Maybe you have some bookmarks that you use often, maybe something obscure that rarely comes up but you know how to talk about it when it does.

Please drop as many as you'd like here!

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We are artificially boosting our carrying capacity through fossil fuel/artificial fertilizer. Its the equivalent of going Kaoiken. This boost is only temporary and the reconing will come eventually.

2026-07-02T19:41:54+00:00

People will deny overpopulation because people have been saying we are overpopulated for the past 200 years and nothing happened.

Yeah, because we used Kaioken/every cheap trick in the book to temporary boost our abilities.

- Kabul/Teheran and 100 other cities/countries are running out of ground water because their population is too big.

- 1/3 of countries on the planet rely on food imports from abroad because they cannot feed their own population.

- Soil erosion and depletion in combination with water shortages and fertilizer shortages means we have reached peak yield/farmland.

Yet people are oblivious to this and will claim that technology will save us. Or that we have not used every possible avaliable space for food production.

And if we have to use desalination plants - does that not mean that we are using up natural drinking water faster than it can regenerate?

The economy is allways super well until a recession/depression. Human population will always be "perfectly managable to supply" until a sudden collapse.

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The impacts of overpopulation in India are already horrifying

2026-07-02T13:04:30+00:00

The minimum wage here have not increased in the last 10 years, the wages for educated workers are rapidly decreasing, wages for good positions like project manager with 5 years of experience are rapidly decreasing, the working hours are on the other hand rapidly increasing, companies are making people work more and more unpaid overtime.

Of course inflation is high the value of the currency has halved in the last 10 years and yet wages are going down like from 35000 to 25000.

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A dose of truth

2026-07-01T13:21:42+00:00

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Conservatives maintain birth rates, but left-leaning Americans are having significantly fewer children, driving the U.S. birth decline. Education was consistently linked to having fewer children. Religious attendance was positively associated with having more children.

2026-07-01T13:37:55+00:00

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I think there should be a limit of two kids per family.

2026-07-01T02:03:06+00:00

I think there should be a limit of two kids per family or household, because it doesn’t add to the population and with my experience being a sibling to three other kids, you also cannot give the attention or love to each kid. Every parent has a favourite which then just takes more time and attention for the other kids. I also think this because we are really overpopulating the planet. Sorry for the rant

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Drought and the effect on Population. Please Like and Subscribe

2026-07-01T04:09:32+00:00

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The 50-year Gap -- global human population doubled, and no one in comments seems to notice or factor that in (except me)

2026-06-29T23:44:40+00:00

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These types of scenarios will keep increasing in frequency and geographic location as the global human population keeps increasing.

2026-06-30T03:06:41+00:00

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Why Does Civilization Collapse/Ruined...?

2026-06-29T17:26:09+00:00

We often think a civilization collapses because of one war, one king, one bad decision, or one incident. But after reading about it, I don't think that's how it works anymore.

From what I understood, a civilization usually collapses after a long cycle. There are mainly 3 things happening together.

First, when society becomes stable and safe, the population grows. More people means cheaper labor, while day-to-day expenses keep increasing because businesses always want higher profits. Wages stay almost the same, so poverty slowly grows.

Second, as businessmen, industrialists, and elites accumulate more wealth, they also want higher positions for themselves and their children. But those positions are limited. Imagine musical chairs. There are only 8 chairs but around 40 capable and educated people. That naturally creates competition and conflict among the elite themselves.

Third, the government slowly becomes weaker. It has to keep both the rich and the general population happy at the same time. The rich control most of the wealth, while the government keeps spending money on public services. At the same time, tax collection becomes weaker because the richest people often avoid paying as much as they should. Eventually the lower class is frustrated because life becomes difficult, the elite are fighting each other for power, and the government keeps getting weaker.

The part that fascinated me was this. We usually blame the final spark that caused the collapse. But the spark is not the real reason. The real reason is the dry wood that kept piling up for decades. The spark only makes the hidden problem visible.

It also made me think about our brain. If today is mostly normal, the brain assumes tomorrow will also be normal. It updates little by little instead of noticing slow changes happening over decades. Maybe that's why societies don't realize what's happening until the damage is already too large.

So now I have one question. If this same pattern has repeated across so many civilizations, are we also somewhere on that same path today?

Note: I just started learning about this topic, so I might have misunderstood or oversimplified some parts. If I got something wrong, please correct me. I genuinely want to learn, not defend my opinion.

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I will never get how people cannot link overpopulation to Water shortages

2026-06-28T08:41:21+00:00

The other stuff is a little abstract so it might be difficult for some to connect the dots.

- There is enough space. Just build more houses

- Some additional cars wont make a difference

- Just go wind and solar and then there is enough energy

- Just make more food

You can actually build more houses, and produce more energy and make more food. Even it it devastates the environment even further. However you cannot produce more water. Ground water is a finite resource and it gets used up faster the more people you have.

Ground water levels when there are 1 Million people? No problem. At this rate consumption is low enough so that the ground water can always regenerate with rain.

Same spot but the city is suddenly 3 Million people? Consumption is above the level of regeneration. At this rate the lake would run dry within 100 years.

Same spot but the city is suddenly 12 Million people? Well. All water will be gone within 25 years.

Its so logical. Yet so many fail to see this simple truth.

And yes I know you can make water out of sea water. But this is extremely energy inefficient. Turning 1000 liters of sea water into drinkable water = 3kw/h.

Also transporting this water hundreds or thousands of Kilometers land inwards costs again lots of fuel and CO2.

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Its not hot enough. We need more people.

2026-06-27T07:26:28+00:00

Guys it clearly not hot enough and climate change is clearly not fast enough. We need an additional 2-3 Billion people on this Planet ASAP to consume more resources and produce more CO2 and create more body heat and waste. Because more people is always the sollution and never a problem.

Everyone who claims that overpopulation exists, is clearly a stupid, bigoted, racist, eco fascist, conspiracy theorist that wants to stall the progress of humanity. Because more people means more workers and more consumers and that is a good thing. It also means more problem solvers. Perhaps if we have 50 Million more people in this country, we can finally figure out why all the water in the lakes and ground water is beeing used up so fast and why we consume more resources and produce more CO2 and burn more gas and fossil fuels and why its getting hotter and why there is soil erosion and why there are food shoratges.

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People have no idea how horrifying will the combination of mass unemployment plus running out of resources will be

2026-06-27T14:35:21+00:00

Just imagine that there is a massive famine going on alongside with massive unemployment, depletion of non renewable resources, climate change, ecological collapse and much more.

So what do you think will happen to those who are unemployed in this scenario, what will happen to them, won't they just be abandoned to starve to death in the middle of the road? What will do then? Won't there be a horrifying civil war in this scenario? I don't think that old people will be cared for well in this scenario anyway.

Now consider the scenario where TFR has been below 1 for a while, there won't be such an unemployment crisis then, also the resource scarcity will be less. Old people will also be cared for better in this scenario too as they will have more food and political stability.

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People who are scared of some "economic crisis" due to lower birth rates are not aware of the unemployment crisis that will occur in the future

2026-06-27T11:27:58+00:00

AI, automation, robotics, general increase in productivity, death of small businessses by the hands of large companies that have more economics of scale and hence require lesser labor will significantly reduce labor demand by quite a lot.

Unemployment crisis is a literally a hundred times worse than any labor shortage, in fact peoples wages may even go up during labor shortage.

Hence it is mandatory to lower births as much as possible without any fear of labor shortage

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The shrinking arguments for degrowth

2026-06-27T23:52:13+00:00

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Only 33ft of water left in the lake 😬 People will not take human overpopulation seriously until it's too late.

2026-06-27T00:41:26+00:00

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That's why the birth rate is collapsing.

2026-06-26T00:38:23+00:00

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Why is no one looking at the causes of excessive immigration instead of just complaining ?

2026-06-26T05:21:24+00:00

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South Korea Births Rise 18%, Highest Increase

2026-06-24T13:23:09+00:00

https://biz.chosun.com/en/en-policy/2026/06/24/PNEVEOXAM5A45PCHMPB7S74PSM/

Wow/s, it is increasing beyond my expectations. The growth rate of newborns is getting higher and higher.

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for the people who has love for all life on earth

2026-06-24T12:59:39+00:00

not all of us will make it, but believe in that some of the ones who have a care for everyone will make it through the ecological collapse.

the people who only care to feeding themselves and don't care to giving back must leave to outer space before earth's consequences catch up to them.

it's only a matter of time where earth will be ruled by mother earth and the people who love earth.

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10% of the global population are farmers

2026-06-23T17:33:06+00:00

did you guys know that only around 10% of the global population are agricultural producers? 90% of the world population don't either know how to farm, have employment opportunities in farms or have arable land for themselves in case of a global catastrophe.

90% is a lot of people to be dependent on industrial agriculture. we are destined to be threatened by starvation.

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One form of pollution that's not talked about often: Noise

2026-06-23T00:15:02+00:00

I am not talking about noise as being loud, but noise like in data, where the data is irrelevant and meaningless and you waste time consuming meaningless stuff, usually because you need to engage with something to even judge it. Consuming thousands of hours from your life annually depending on how active you are.

When you have quantity over quality of people and easy access to the world wide web like now you need to start dealing with an insane amount of noise.

Like we have over 8 billion people in the world and what even is there online? I go on social media and it's either straight up lies or noise that just wastes my time.

It can depend on the subject and community, I actually found this sub to be more in touch with reality, probably because it's still smal, actually most parts of the internet I consider useful are fairly smalll and it took me a lot of time filtering out nosie to find those.

Whoever said that more people means more brains is probably braindead himself because the noise I need to go through before finding a nugget of truth on the internet is just too much, only trial and error worked.

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Some truths about overpopulation - for all sides

2026-06-22T10:27:23+00:00

Overpopulation is not about space. In theory if we build a mega city on 600x600 Kilometers, and use the same population density like Macau or Monaco, all people on the Planet could live there. Overpopulation is about the impact on the environment like water/fuel/resource consumption and CO2 production, pollution etc.
It is undeniable that this consumption and pollution is too high. If everyone lived like the average citizen of Qatar, we would need 9 Earths. Even if everyone lived like the people of Moldavia, the poorest country in Europe, we would still need 1.2 Earths. Mathematically this proves that our current level of population is too high.
You can have more people with a reduced living standard, or less people with a higher living standard. You cannot have more people and a better living standard without more damage.
Overpopulation is also NOT about better resource distribution. This would elevate some problems but not most. Assume that each Billionaire consumes the same resources like 1000 American Middle Class Persons. Eliminating 3500 Billionaires is thus equal to 3.5 Million Americans. Its something but not enough to have any large effect.
Overpopulation is a global problem but at the same time a regional one. Countries like Afghanistan or Pakistan are running out of Water because their population increased 4-5x in the last 50 years.
Immigration into First World countries is making the problem worse. The Western World has below replacement level birth rates. Immigration artificially increases this population and leads to more resource consumption and CO2 production. Because every immigrant coming there consumes more resources, even if they get less kids than at home.
Green hopium/technology/going vegan is not a silver bullet. Wind+Solar produce just around 25% of the worlds energy despite 4 decades of investment. There are already 22 000 desalination plants supplying 300 Million people with water every day. Even if we tripple this number to 900 Million, thats just 10% of world population in 2035. Also these cost lots of energy. Mining the lithium for electric batteries/solar panels is also extremely devastating to the environment.
We can feed ourselves only because we got lucky through the Green Revolution and because we just abused fossil fuels and artificial fertilizer. But with Climate change and water shortages, we have probably reached peak farmland/yields.
World population is expected to increase from 8.3 Billion in 2026 to 10.3 Billion in 2056. If we can barely supply 8.3 Billion people, with all possible tricks and a perfectly running system, how are we going to supply 10 Billion+.
Why should we want this? Why are 8.3 Billion not enough? Even if our population would be reduced by one Billion. We would still be at 7 Billion people. So the level in 2011. The world worked just fine then. Its just Capitalist propaganda. The Capitalists want more consumers and more workers so that they can keep wages low and rent/house prices high.
People like Malthus and Ehrlich were prophets that were ridiculed, but they were right. They were just off by 3/4 of a century or so. Once artificial fertilizers become scarce and all the ground water is used up, carrying capacity of this planet will revert back to its natural perhaps 4 Billion.

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The Ecocentric Empire

2026-06-22T10:46:25+00:00

in this world we limit the planetary population size for all regions of earth. 🥰

we humans are not the only ones who have to eat. plants have to eat, carnivores have to eat, herbivores have to eat, earth has to eat.

the purpose of everything ancient is what it continuously succeeds in.

life perpetuated life for 4.2 billion years. the purpose of life is to perpetuate life.
there wouldn't now be sentience if a sentience before us didn't begin to perpetuate itself.
and thus the purpose of the universe is to perpetuate the universe.

our hubris is a by-product, not the rule. humanity's hedonistic society will fail. perpetuation is what we are and where we came from. let's return to what will always prevail in the war between existence against non-existence.

humanity,
you're wondering now, what to do, now you know this is the end. you're wondering how, you will pay, for the way you misbehave.
first imma swallow. now you're on your own.

guns, gold and control. scooping up more than you can hold. everybody wants it all.

let's pretend it's not the end of the world.

David Attenborough Gives Powerful Warning on Climate Change

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