Pagan Centered Podcast

226: Oak Myth

Dave — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 06:01:24 +0000

This week we explore the exciting world of cool masks made by Oak Myth!

Regular Hosts:

Amber of Red Tail Arts, Dave of Pagans promoting Healthy Active Tendencies (PHAT), “Normal” Joe of Pagan Roadtrip

Guest Hosts:

Amanda, Barrett of Pagan Men, Ashley of Oak Myth

01:17

Normal intros, name, location, what does your shop do?

01:32

How did you two first meet up?

01:58

Did either of you have any professional training or learn all on your own?

02:47

You two didn’t become friend till later, but how long have you guys been working together?

01:32

How did you two first meet up?

01:58

Did either of you have any professional training or learn all on your own?

02:47

You two didn’t become friend till later, but how long have you guys been working together?

03:00

What do you ladies do while you’re not working on masks?

03:00

What do you ladies do while you’re not working on masks?

03:25

What are/did you ladies go to school for?

03:52

One of the things you ladies mentioned in our early correspondences was that you were both pagan. Can you go into your paths and how you relate it to your mask work?

05:12

What about you Ashley? How was the religious upbrining?

04:53

Eve, with your mom being Faerie, you grew up in the path?

05:12

What about you Ashley? How was the religious upbrining?

05:42

Can you talk about how you came up with the name OakMyth for your shop?

06:08

Did you start selling on Etsy?

06:15

Ashlee and Eve talk about their first time vending at Faerie Worlds

07:11

Was there anything else that inspired you guys to work on masks in specific?

08:08

What was the very first mask you did together?

08:48

What are the favorite pieces that you have made?

09:30

Ashley and Eve talk about their balance of lunar and solar.

09:45

What are the hardest masks you have made?

10:16

Amanda Eve asks a question: People wear personality masks, was that an inspiration of your mask making or do you seek to inspire with your creations?

11:26

Faerie Worlds can be awesome to let out the “inner you”

12:18

OakMyth has had several people that get drawn to their masks becaues they feel kinship to them

13:51

Talking with Ashley, you do most of the design, can you tell us a little on your process?

12:32

Do you ladies get a lot of people trying to get specific commission pieces?

13:00

We start talking about commission pieces and how people seem to disappear after starting with the process

13:27

OakMyth shares two of the most pleasing commission pieces, one a wolf and one a phoenix.

13:51

Talking with Ashley, you do most of the design, can you tell us a little on your process?

14:27

Does the color of the mask come before you start or after it’s been tooled?

14:51

Does the design work ever change partially through?

15:09

Do changes often happen?

15:20

How much work actually goes into the leather once it gets into your hands?

15:32

They talk a bit about how big the cow hide is when they get it.

16:20

8oz leather takes a lot of working!

16:34

About how many masks can you get out of a cow hide?

17:09

How do you mold them to fit facial features?

17:45

We talk about how the masks fit and the alterations that are possible for fitting.

18:27

We talk a bit about the paint surviving reshaping.

18:44

What is the hardest thing to get the leather to do?

19:26

Are the horns on the dragon mask hard to do?

19:54

Barrett asks if someone sculpting a beak for your maniquin would help with creating a beak.

20:18

Some of the work depends on what kind of leather you use; 8oz vs 4oz

20:59

What are the time differences between simple and complex masks with just the leather work?

21:43

What is considered a complex design to do with just the leather work aspect of it.

22:50

We ask what makes the forest masks so difficult to create.

25:28

Painting the leather, and then shaping…doesn’t work well

23:41

We talk about the painting process of mask making, is there anything you have to do to prep the mask before starting?

24:06

What kind of paints do you use to paint on the leather?

27:26

What is the easiest and most efficent way to get ahold of you for a commission piece?

24:45

Do you use brushes or airbrush or both?

25:04

What is the hardest thing about painting with the leather?

25:28

Painting the leather, and then shaping…doesn’t work well

25:43

What’s the range of time between simple designs vs complex designs to paint like the pumpkin vs the peacock.

27:01

Are they one of a kind pieces or can you recreate anything you’ve done before?

27:26

What is the easiest and most efficent way to get ahold of you for a commission piece?

27:38

Oakmyth@gmail.com

27:57

What kind of information does a person need to have before they come to you with an idea?

28:49

What should someone expect, like amount of communication it will take, progress photos, or time constraints on a new design?

32:25

Wearing your mask will help your mask keep its shape.

29:58

The time restraints, is that so you’re not driving yourselves crazy or is there some restraints because of the leather.

30:37

What should people do to take care of their mask?

31:11

Don’t run your mask over with a car.

31:38

Because their varnished, they can be rubbed down with sanitizer or rubbing alcohol.

32:00

Don’t chew on your mask.

32:02

What should they do if their mask starts to get out of shape, can they be repaired?

32:25

Wearing your mask will help your mask keep its shape.

33:18

Any other explicit no-no’s ?

32:02

What should they do if their mask starts to get out of shape, can they be repaired?

32:25

Wearing your mask will help your mask keep its shape.

32:38

Should you treat your leather or not because of the paint and varnish?

33:18

Any other explicit no-no’s ?

33:43

Any other places besides Etsy where people can find your work? Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, Deviant Art and Festivals!

34:32

Is the facebook page the easiest way to find where you will be?

34:49

http://www.facebook.com/oakmythmasks

35:04

Do you have ideas on where you plan to go from here?

36:04

Do you ladies have any other artistic endevors outside of the mask or do they take up too much of your time?

36:31

Where can we find your sketching site?

36:41

http://www.cricketwings.deviantart.com

36:55

Any last shameless plugs?

37:13

No extra charge for custom masks!

37:17

OakMyth will be at Faerie Worlds 2012!

37:43

They wil also be at Berkely Pagan Fest 2012!

37:13

No extra charge for custom masks!

37:17

OakMyth will be at Faerie Worlds 2012!

37:43

They wil also be at Berkely Pagan Fest 2012!

38:06

Barrett comments on the Driad, the Apollo and the Athena masks and asks if they have a Greek leaning?

39:10

Barrett’s favorite mask is the Apollo

39:28

If beaks are hard to do, was the snout for the wolf as difficult?

40:14

Dave talks about Faerie Worlds for a bit.

41:42

How many people end up at Faerie Worlds?

42:37

Is it a hard festival to get into to vend?

Credits

Post-produced by: Sam and Amber
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225: Building Community

Ashlee — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:52:27 +0000

This week we take a request from Peter Dybing of Covenant of the Goddess and talk about building communities.

Regular Hosts:

Amber of Red Tail Arts, Ashlee, Branden of Pagan Men, Dave of Pagans promoting Healthy Active Tendencies (PHAT), Joe of Pagan Roadtrip

Guest Hosts:

Amanda, Barrett of Pagan Men, Nick, NRia of Anonymous

00:27

Let’s think about why people started communities way back in history. It provided for all of us!

01:06

As it is right now, it seems we need to find “interesting” ways to approach people

01:21

Community is like hippies with food, they don’t want to go too far to get it.

01:38

It’s part of the reason there are tons of PPD’s instead of just one or two in a year

02:14

This episode is about starting when your area doesn’t even have a pagan pride day

02:21

Scurv says find a book based on your interest and read it in a public place. That may work in other areas of interest, but pagans are just mental people that tend to judge by the book you have rather than approach.

03:03

There’s no happy equillibrium in the community, we can just put on a nice face

03:18

Try doing an even that doesn’t scream I’M PAGAN, like an herbal class

04:18

Code words really don’t work well…fishy fishy…

04:33

If you’re looking to start a group. GET THE WORD OUT. And do it physically, not just on WitchVox. On actual bullitin boards.

05:09

Don’t be anti-christian…don’t even have a giant pentacle…tone it down

05:40

Talk to the members in your community!

06:04

There are other pagans out there…GO FIND THEM

06:17

Get the support of the elders in your area. They have more experience than you, and often more insight. It may also bring people that they know to your gathering.

07:21

If you’re worried that people are going to kill you…do some press related things! Get your name out there!

07:35

Ah…memory lane

08:11

The press…do stuff that reaches the GENERAL public. Keep it simple and do it slowly. You don’t want a huge front page article right off the bat. Do it slowly

09:03

Get in touch with the local press so you can have a face to the public so they can get to know you as a person rather than a huge focus on the image of your organization

09:31

Do the obligitory Samhain article. We may make fun of it, but it is easy and keeps people informed.

09:51

Sign it, give ways of contacting you, DO NOT USE FAKE NAMES OR MAGICKAL NAMES. You want to make yourself availible rather than look like you’re trying to hide something

10:31

Try to talk respectively when you talk to the press. Talk about what you are and what your’e doing, don’t try to automatically defend yourself against your potential readers

11:07

Don’t make inside jokes, you’re trying to inform people that may not be comfortable. Don’t give them ammunition to make it a sensational story that puts you in a poor light.

11:58

Try to just be professional. Not suit and tie, but you have to present yourself as honestly as you want to be percieved.

12:37

Don’t walk around Wal-Mart in a traditional ritual robe and then complain when you get bad press about it

13:01

Don’t forget the Pagan Press! See if you have a close PNC! Or volunteer to help them out!

13:33

Prime the press basically. Don’t do it because you want attention, but do it as an information campaign

14:00

Read the paper you want to send an article to, know who you’re sending your words to

14:12

Don’t let yourself slip under the pressure of running a group. Decide what you’re going to do if you don’t get anyone for your first meeting. You have to be who you are and be confident as you’re running things.

15:00

You need to plan when you’re first meeting, and be prepared for both ends of extremems of everyone, or nobody, showing up

15:30

Remember to plan the second meeting…

15:39

Don’t worry about a regular schedule right off, and don’t do anything that will take votes right away so you have a more precise group.

16:03

Introduce the purpose of the organization. Let people know why they want to be involved. Tell them the goals that you’re setting up so they know what will be expected.

17:02

Try to get everyone to talk to one another. DON’T GET A BOOK ON ICEBREAKERS

17:22

Best way to get everyone talking is just to ask them who they are and why they’re there

17:46

Set up simple things and productive things like food drives and blood drives

18:09

Everyone feels vulnerable when talking to someone you don’t know right off, but if you ask them unavoidable questions (like why are you here) it breaks it down and helps them just to get going!

19:32

You have to have some interesting questions because of it being a religious based group. Are you having opening prayer? Are you doing ritual? Things like that need to be decided

20:21

Religious observances are easier if you let people run their own into their own subgroups so it won’t exclude anyone via the main group

21:01

If you claim to be a Wiccan group, be a Wiccan group. Nothing is more frustrating than showing up to a group that has been portrayed as a study group, and come to find out the “leader” is looking to study from the attendee’s

21:54

Even social groups are great, just label them for what they are, not what you want to label it as to attract more people

22:14

Pagan Group in Clarion, we had to have a lot of sub groups to the point where something was going on every day of the week to keep everyone involved

22:39

Clarion interfaith group, is what birthed the idea of PCP!

23:23

You need to establish, at least on the second meeting, is if this is a panpagan group or a trad specific group?

24:34

Leadership models for your group!

24:45

The popular consensus model where everyone in the organization agrees to a particular thing before it is acted upon. Can we see the problem with this???

25:56

Strong leader is the second model and is fairly common. One person that leads the whole thing that can go out and get stuff done…as long as power grabbing isn’t getting in the way

26:38

Council model where you have a small group that makes decisions, which usually just leads to make everyone equally unhappy.

27:41

Dual Strong Leadership is a combination of a few models. However it usually ends with the both of them bickering if they have differeing ideas. Keeps them from making some really dumb decisions

28:42

Triumverant leadership will at least create a majority vote

29:02

If you’re a religious specific group, it may be in the “manuel” for the day you’re supposed to meet

29:20

You need to choose weekly or monthly, however it is much easier to keep attendance up if there are weekly meetings.

29:20

The faint noise of a goat….

30:19

Decide if the meetings are open the community or just to other pagans. Both have their good points

30:30

Being open to the community looks awesome to the press and to the paranoid Christians

31:11

Another thing you need to do, set up a yearly review!

31:55

Have a sign up sheet for presentors for those individuals that want to share their knowledge. It also makes people feel part of the group rather than people feeling that you’re a dictator

32:35

Publically appreciate those individuals that have helped. People like their ego stroked!

33:23

Set a date for the presentors as well as a back up presentor.

33:23

Set a date for the presentors as well as a back up presentor.

33:42

Maintain regular contact with the press no less than once a year for those that have moved over the past year and remind people that you’re there. This is not a recruitment job, but just good communication skills

34:16

You can’t pick up chicks with a pagan group! (Watch Red vs Blue)

34:30

More people will watch/stalk your group than attend. Many pagans have grown to hate groups so many are hesitant to attend. They want a good reason first

35:12

Give them different options rather than just a 101 Pagan study!

35:35

It is easier to collapse an organization than it is for it to flourish. The less suck you have, the more likely you will succeed

35:56

The meaning of suck

36:06

Suck can be caused by a lot of things. Sometimes the press can cause your suck.

36:15

If you know the media is coming to your event, make sure it is planned! They’ll usually work with you if you plan with them before hand. It also works in your advantage to give everyone in your group a head’s up in order to not say something stupid

36:55

Brief them on what to expect and what’s going on (and sometimes their editors as well) before they show up

37:24

Let everyone in your group know that the press have arrived. Give them an escort so they are shown to all the good people and the things that they want to see

37:52

Escorts can also help them avoid scary people that you’d rather not be pictured on the front page

38:07

There are a lot of pagans that will hear your screw ups via the media, that’s not the first impression you want to give them

38:29

If you’re going to the media, understand people will look at you under a microscope. Accept it and try and do the best you can. Stop whining

39:14

A group collapsing is a leadership failure.

39:34

Lack of contributing from members is often the leader failing to give them a good incentive to participate

40:00

Make sure you give people ample credit for everything that people have contributed. Even if it’s something small like chips and dip to the meetings

41:38

It may seem like saying Thank You can be a little thing, but it can make a world of difference for future events.

41:52

It becomes evident on who have given more work because of the gold stars you get. It makes people feel good, so it may be small but it still makes a difference

42:23

Your group is not a school so people aren’t going to be intimidated into doing what you say.

42:44

Money is not the best motivator for people to participate as well

42:53

Improper motivation, you need to get people to be passionate about what the organization is representing

43:17

You have to figure if your organization for your ego or is it about a purpose and goal that you can hand off to a new person if you choose to leave.

43:55

If you have an established organization, have elections to change some leaders up every now an then!

44:33

Organizations centered around ideas tend to last longer than if they are centered around people.

45:06

Keep in mind that there will eventually be hard decisions that will cause your group to lose people. You have to fix the problem in a stern manner in order to be percieved as a strong leader

46:02

Bad actions take away from the enjoyment of the rest of the group focusing on the stuff they created the group for in the first place

46:11

People sometimes just center on the fact they don’t want to lose any members…doesn’t work

46:32

You don’t have to be belligerent to fix problems, but hard decisions are just part of being a leader

46:53

Idea based organizations that work for positive change are often organizations that people TRY NOT TO LEAVE

Credits

Post-produced by: Amber
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PCP is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 US License.
Season 22 Credits:

224: Divine Gonads in Strife – A Healthy Disrespect for the Gods

Ashlee — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:39:38 +0000

This week we descend into madness as we discuss a healthy disrespect for the Gods.

Regular Hosts:

Amber of Red Tail Arts, Ashlee, Branden of Pagan Men Dave of Pagans promoting Healthy Active Tendencies (PHAT), Joe of Pagan Roadtrip

Guest Hosts:

, Miles author of Teaching Witchcraft: A Guide for Teachers and Students of the Old Religion, Nick, NRia of Anonymous, Peter Dybing of Covenant of the Goddess, Snooze of Portable Weirdness

00:30

What is a deity? Are you a god?

00:52

God, also known as the guy with bigger guns. So Stalin was a god? Sweet!

01:00

God: Game Operations Director…he was a jerk

00:52

God, also known as the guy with bigger guns. So Stalin was a god? Sweet!

01:19

Answering without answering…deity…something that is divine

02:12

A piece of well aged brie is divine, is cheese god?

02:31

Scurv says anything non corporeal with a personality that affects your life…wait…ghosts?

03:28

Gods are supernatural, therefore don’t exsist. If they existed they wouldn’t be supernatural. Enjoy the paradox

02:49

Branden pokes holes in Scurv’s theory with using the example of angels and demons

03:38

Logic proves that you exist, and therefore you don’t. Oh dear said God, and disappeared in a poof of logic

03:48

God is the personification of a community of a culture

03:58

Gods are everyone at the top of a spiritual food chain

04:10

Does that mean Gods eat everyone else?…hold on a second!

04:25

Dave what thinks Gods consume is free will

04:33

Scurv drones about the vampire god

04:41

Amber disagree’s with the idea of just free will being consumed

04:58

Snooze talks about her experiences and thinks maybe energy

05:14

We talk about the God and Mana and energy and food

05:32

Sometimes it’s not necessarily intentionally feeding them your energy, like nature deities can feed of the growing energy of growing plants

05:50

Dave talks about emotional manipulation

07:34

Scurv says when you tell the gods to go Facebook off

06:12

We get to be dirts!

06:22

Here starts a huge tangent on people who have been shot into space instead of being buried and turning to dirts

07:18

What do we mean by disrespect in this context?

07:47

Where do we get the idea that it’s necessary to respect the Gods?

08:16

You can be disrespectful, just don’t be belligerent

08:20

Snooze drops some more elaborate examples using Oden, the Morrigan and Kali

09:45

Amber talks about how she views interacting with the Gods. It seems to be just like interactions with people more than super space being

10:32

Miles talks about how one main religion has their followers in a perpetual child like state looking for answers from a “father” figure in the sky

11:15

Pagan Gods seem to want to have followers that know how to grow up and do things for themselves

11:26

As children grow, they don’t disrespect their parents but learn to see them through different eyes

12:10

It’s not always worshiping, sometimes it’s more like a relationship

12:24

Just like with people, there’s some deities that you’ll never need to tell to Facebook off because they’re just naturally cool.

12:46

Sucking up often creates different feelings than being respected. Scurv trashes Snoozes metaphor

13:38

There’s some Gods that just respect you more if you don’t worship on your knees

13:54

Amber tries to use a parental type metaphor to relate to interacting with the Gods.

14:33

Is there a divine CYS too? Oh wait…that’s what happened to the old testement God!!! He had all his children taken away!

15:16

Miles uses another quote to illustrate how you can’t respect someone who kisses your ass. So maybe the Gods won’t respect us if we kiss their ass

15:46

Where do we learn all this protocol? From the dogma

16:07

Maybe some of it is because we’re told to, but it can also be (using the parent metaphor) they are more experienced and wiser than we so they can help us learn

16:49

God people…they know stuff…not like Harry Potter

17:25

Hey fluff audience? We lose you yet?

17:37

What started the idea for this episode? Dave explains how everyone asking the Gods for every tiny little petty thing annoys the crap out of him

18:17

Miles gave an open ended question on Facebook using the classic ‘Footprints’ poem. Fill in different answers that God would give rather than “because I carried you in times of your weakness”

19:28

Amber recants a conversation with a friend’s interactions with Brigid where Brigid tells her to keep going instead of going to help her friend

19:31

Amber has friends! Woah!

19:38

Joe has friends too…but he pays them..

20:14

Peter Dybing: If the gods are carrying me, should I be concerned about he destination?

20:36

If you had a parent that sheltered you to a huge degree, you’d never do ANYTHING for yourself

20:56

Have you ever asked the Gods for help and they told you to do it your damned self?

21:34

Scurv wants you to invite your deity into your good days, not just when you need it

21:49

Amber says, let them know you appreciate the hard lessons after you’re done drying your tears

22:06

Snooze says an easy thanks is a good mug of beer!

22:54

Telephone…the Gods are calling…apparently their pissed…

23:11

The gods know what’s instore…and it’s cool. Come along for the ride!

23:51

Why does it feel like my deity is making popcorn?

24:03

Gods love heroes, they also love a good laugh…think about it?

24:23

What you gonna do when they come for you…deities, deities…

25:02

Team Jesus…they think that Jesus directs their missles and bullets so they hit their marks.

25:53

Language is not barred from the FCC…it’s sex!

26:05

If you’re trying to show respect, how about not being a celestial slut by handing out dedications like a free pass

26:41

There’s a difference between dedications and working with deities too

26:57

It’s a meaningless gesture if you don’t even know who you’re invoking into your ritual

27:02

Dave nicely explains the difference between working with and dedication

27:16

Don’t dedicate to another God if you don’t know if they’re okay with poly!

27:20

Church of Dave! It has been decreed!

27:34

Hey Everyone! Dedicate yourself to Dave!

27:59

Whether you’ve dedicated yourself to a deity or not, there’s respect in just doing your homework about them first

29:18

Loki, he likes cherry tarts

29:22

Sometimes deities come and ask for help, and it’s just a good idea to help them out

29:37

If they ask like an ass…that doesn’t mean you have to oblidge, just remember they may not seem a problem with barging into your bedroom in the middle of being intimite to ask for help

30:08

Remember, listening blindly to some deities (like Coyote) blindly may end up to not be so good for you

31:02

You can disrespect the Gods, but don’t give them a reason to make your life miserable

31:42

Respectfully disrespecting…Amber uses a Rattlesnake example to illustrate

32:08

Don’t go out of your way to be belligerent to a deity…you’re being an ass

32:49

Snooze shares an example of an unwanted entity tried to get her to make changes…and the deities she worked with told her that Snooze should tell the new commer to sod off.

34:24

You Shall Not Pass…THE MOVIE

34:42

Snooze see’s Oden as Ian McKellen in rattier clothing…epic win

36:01

The Dagda, a cross between Santa Clause and Jerry Garcia

36:22

Is the presumed respect God because it’s because he’s a super force to be feared or is it because you can laugh at him as well as with him?

37:17

Scurv laments about deities wanting him to do something

37:28

NRia wants an example…wait..of crickets?

37:44

Scurv is a tease. If you’re a woman in the South Central PA, let us hook you up with Scurv!

38:12

Facebook has too much derp…that’s why we moved to Google Plus! Look us up!

38:29

Do athiests deify science, and if they do, what they do to disrespect it? Belive in something?

38:55

Being evil in one religion, makes you another religion…awesome!

39:04

Dave summerizes the episode…GO

39:16

1. Some entities want to empower humans…not all of them want blind worship!

39:33

Stop Groveling!

39:36

2. Some entities don’t take disrespect well, some are powerhungry narcissists

39:46

3. There is no mystical race called Gods

40:01

Gods come in all shapes and colors…like Dave shapes

40:19

All Hail Dave! Lord of Purple!

40:27

Cult of Amber, we’ve grown bigger than the Faerie Tradition!

41:09

5. Deities can belong to multiple pantheons…just don’t say it too loudly

41:38

Does Zeus answer Jupiter’s e-mail?

41:47

Zeus is the hotmail…Jupiter is for gmail

41:59

Miles makes a no Roman charges joke…and it leads to the start of gonads in strife

42:23

Gonads in strife begins!

42:33

Dave performs his first miracle and makes Snooze spit tea!

42:54

Dave’s in the Catholic patheon because of his miracle, maybe it’ll help it stop sucking…at least till he leaves

43:17

Dave is the spirit of air???

43:46

What about a pirate accent and booty? WTF?

Credits

Post-produced by: Amber
List of resources used or mentioned:
PCP is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 US License.
Season 22 Credits:

223: Unverified Personal Gnosis Part 2

Ashlee — Sun, 15 Jan 2012 05:42:50 +0000

This week we continue our discussion on UPGs.

Regular Hosts:

Amber of Red Tail Arts, Branden of Pagan Men Dave of Pagans promoting Healthy Active Tendencies (PHAT), Joe of Pagan Roadtrip

Guest Hosts:

Adam, Amanda, Barrett of Pagan Men, Dave Carron of Ravencast, Miles author of Teaching Witchcraft: A Guide for Teachers and Students of the Old Religion, Sandi Carron of Ravencast, Snooze of Portable Weirdness

01:09

UPG not necessarily for your benefit

01:36

Coyote loves the Dead Kennedys

01:45

Dave Carron’s fun UPG

02:20

Dave Carron: Christian Hell may in fact be Valhallah

02:54

Sandi takes a look at Niflheim – the Goddess Hel’s domain

04:02

Christianity is a death cult

04:36

Miles channels the comedian Sam Kinison

05:54

Common sense is a superpower

07:07

Burning Man festival is actually Hell

07:18

Inverse Hell

07:46

Amish afterlife – its okay, they don’t have computers to hear this

09:12

Traditions that embrace UPGs

09:27

What does “embrace” mean?

10:06

UPG disclaimer

10:54

Miles channels They Might Be Giants

11:08

Trads based mostly on UPGs

11:26

UPGs in Native Tradition

12:20

Christian UPGs

12:48

All religions based on UPGs

12:55

UPGs that get people the ban hammer

13:09

Magical underpants

13:18

UPGs and the birth of new religions

15:15

When UPG goes too far

15:26

Going beyond the lore

16:58

Sandi’s breaking point on UPGs

17:32

Dave Carron on “beyond the lore”

18:56

Compartmentalizing the Gods

20:09

Fact and belief

22:59

Does it inhibit your function in society?

24:12

Dealing with cult leaders and crazy people

25:15

How to define a healthy UPG

25:52

Isaac Bonewits Cult Danger Evaluation Frame

27:04

Look to the “wholeness” of the person

28:43

Helping people think for themselves

29:21

How Snooze evaluates people

31:07

Broken people with broken guts

32:58

A Scurvy heuristic

33:44

Amber clarifies her earlier point

35:58

Dividing line – beyond acceptable risk

36:55

Scurvy’s intuition heuristic

38:11

Dangers of too many UPGs

38:54

Dave and Amber talk about a certain someone from Clarion who also liked to throw shoes

40:54

Don’t click the links

43:11

NAPPA has incompetence

44:37

Suggested listening: Secrets in Plain Sight ep 252

Credits

Post-produced by: Ashlee
List of resources used or mentioned:
Isaac Bonewits’ Advanced Cult Danger Evaluation Frame
Secrets in Plain Sight podcast
PCP is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 US License.
Season 22 Credits:

222: Unverified Personal Gnosis Part 1

Ashlee — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 05:51:11 +0000

This week we begin our discussion of UPGs or Unverified Personal Gnosis!

Regular Hosts:

Amber of Red Tail Arts, Branden of Pagan Men Dave of Pagans promoting Healthy Active Tendencies (PHAT), Joe of Pagan Roadtrip

Guest Hosts:

01:54

Snooze defines UPG

02:59

Assumption of lore

03:40

Moving the subjective to the non subjective

03:53

Snoozes UPG lab rat tests

04:09

UPGs and religious faith changing experiences

04:48

Importance of common reference

05:05

Why Snooze created her UPG tests

06:11

Recons and UPGs

07:00

Snooze wants to turn Sandi into a lab rat

08:46

Snooze’s relationship with Recons

09:37

Getting to the “unusual”

10:00

Working with animal spirits/ wights

11:14

Snooze’s homework

12:04

Miles’ example of a non-religious UPG

12:51

Ghost avatar

13:59

Sandi’s example of a mundane UPG

14:59

UPGs and walking the “crazy plank”

16:38

material interface point/ “anchor”

17:00

Scurvy and Miles’ PSAs

17:23

It’s “w-i-g-h-t” not “w-h-i-t-e”

17:32

Dave Carron and verifying Personal Gnosises – Frejya’s cats

20:35

Where is your input coming from? More misadventures from Snooze’s UPG class

21:26

Snooze’s experience with animal spirits

22:51

Another PSA – Amber and jewelery

23:08

Dave Carron on “verification process”

24:04

Importance of “keeping it small”

25:50

Importance of keep groups small

26:40

Importance of evidence and “realness”

27:39

Selfishness vs practical

27:58

Giving validation of another’s UPG

28:34

Reality testing

28:49

the “laugh test”

29:22

No room for “weak point of view”

29:57

Extrodinary claims – Extraordinary proof

30:16

UPGs, who gets em?

30:32

UPGs treated like a venarial disease in some parts of the Pagan community

31:11

The GOPs and their UPGs

31:55

Scurvy gives Dave Carron a headache

32:02

Universe is just doin’ it for the lulz

32:11

Scurvy’s side subject on intuition

32:30

Sandi’s experience with Norse spiritual work

34:09

Scurvy’s UPG experiment

35:56

Barrett’s UPG

36:36

Sandi’s UPG

39:47

Drawbacks to having a “baseline” with lore

41:08

Dave Carron on “Elves, wights, and trolls” by Kveldulf Gundarsson

42:04

UPGs and regional perceptions of divinity

43:01

Non affirmation of the Pagan deity (Gods created by man)

43:19

Similar region leads to similar UPGs?

43:48

When Birgit met Pele

44:40

Iceland loves their Landvættirs

44:51

Long distance worshipping

45:07

Answer: adapt

45:25

Amber’s UPG experience

46:30

Scurvy on the motives of dieties

46:40

Goes back to DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!11!

47:15

When does Unverified become Verified?

48:52

Dave Carron and Sandi on “messages from the Gods”

49:38

Scurvy plays devil’s advocate

49:52

Dave Carron’s prerequistes on being married to a God

50:18

More Scurvy troubleshooting

51:01

Dave Carron denies the existance of “uber special snowflakes”

51:34

Assertion of UPGs on others

Credits

Post-produced by: Ashlee
List of resources used or mentioned:
PCP is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 US License.
Season 22 Credits:

221: So You Want A Tarot Reading

Ashlee — Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:21:32 +0000

This week the crew gives some tips and tricks on Tarot Readings.

Regular Hosts:

Amber of Red Tail Arts, Branden of Pagan Men, Joe of Pagan Roadtrip, Sam

Guest Hosts:

Amanda, Barrett of Pagan Men, Miles author of Teaching Witchcraft: A Guide for Teachers and Students of the Old Religion, NRia of Anonymous Snooze of Portable Weirdness

01:22

Why we need to provide a Tarot Disclaimer!

01:35

So you’re considering a Tarot Card Reading?

01:51

Discouraging undesired situations/repetitions.

02:04

Secrets!

02:27

Don’t bring your partner with you to a tarot reading if you’re cheating on them!

03:46

People that get a reading but do not want insight

04:33

If you want something positive, go read fortune cookies.

04:36

61-card reading reference.

04:43

Some want readings just for validation

05:01

The threat of an impending reading can help people sort things out in their lives.

05:25

Not all readings are doom, gloom and painful.

05:39

Card readings can be inaccurate, but generally don’t work to accommodate your ego.

05:58

When thinking of questions, remember the cards may not reply in any expected manner – may even answer a different question or refuse any response.

06:49

Cards can reply to belligerance with an insult.

07:36

Cards sometimes take queries in a completely different direction, sometimes more important/pertinent stuff. But some people just horribly mis-interpret readings.

08:13

Cards have a habit of telling you what you NEED to hear.

08:30

Different decks behave differently

09:14

Tarot readings to understand what piece of the puzzle you are missing.

09:59

Amber’s deck has the ability to be sarcastic.

10:15

Don’t expect a 2 card answer to a complex problem

10:31

Proper conduct during a Tarot reading.

10:52

Eliminate distractions.

11:23

Don’t interrupt or spy on someone else’s reading.

12:20

Readers requesting readings when they have a huge ego and an axe to grind.

12:52

Moral support and your responsibility for your cheerleaders.

14:06

Tarot readings are not like fortune cookie readings!

14:36

Let people enjoy their reading regardless if they believe in it or not – don’t be an ass.

14:57

Beligerance and questioning are different things.

15:54

Jenga! Jenga! Jenga!

16:07

Announcer voices during Tarot readings.

16:29

Tarot doesn’t need to be totally serious, but you should be aware of professional courtersy.

16:54

Why do people not show common courtersy during tarot readings?

18:00

The cards don’t bite?

18:05

Fortune Tellers and “For Entertainment Purposes Only” signs

19:09

Should confessionals have this same sign?

19:41

People using Tarot Readings as a replacement for confessionals.

20:38

Every deck is different! So don’t assume you can assume someone else’s deck.

21:30

Card IDs, rather than pictures, are needed for some.

22:07

The symbology in color and artwork as it is interpreted by the reader.

22:54

The meanings of individual cards can shift reading to reading to highlight details of what the querant needs to be aware of.

23:22

Decks are well aware of what they’re doing in terms of swapping meanings.

23:34

Decks will adapt to individuals they read for.

27:36

Everyone does spreads differently

24:22

Don’t let preconceptions limit what you can do.

24:36

Is a deck alive and aware, or is it just ink on paper and the talent in the reader.

25:56

Using cards as a filter or to avoid directly being mean to someone when you have foresight.

26:48

Tarot central repository?

27:03

Waking up a deck

27:36

Everyone does spreads differently

28:08

One card spread is not better than any other.

29:24

Ford-Chevy Debate

30:20

Right vs. right for you vs. right for the situation

31:22

Caving into the cards’ demands.

32:47

Feel welcome to ask the reader what they are doing.

33:32

Explicit details and generalities can arise for multiple reasons.

34:04

Tarot is for insight, not to make decisions for you

35:06

Nothing about a reading is guaranteed

35:50

Don’t ask the cards what to ask for!

36:31

The media-sensation just for a laugh decks.

37:01

Branden’s Gummy Bear Tarot Deck

38:21

A deck for Spanish Conquistadors!

38:42

Troth deck – Crowley’s Deck and how Miles cannot get one home.

39:20

Car accidents as divination?

40:20

What to do when someone needs to know something but they left the reading?

40:48

Physical backlash from Tarot cards.

41:01

Taking photos of a reading

41:50

Handling if someone wants a reading but a deck doesn’t want to give a reading to that person.

43:34

Hardest thing with giving a reading and getting a reading.

46:19

Miles, the stutterer, is the easiest for us to post-produce

49:19

Impressed or violated with accuracy

49:50

Does this card make sense?

50:18

Stay away from water people!

50:38

Go to the doctor!

51:27

Instant re-run readings if you aren’t listening

52:06

Yay 300 card readings. THIS… IS… SPARTA!

52:28

A reading that references the reading itself

52:53

Everything you do can go wrong reading.

53:35

Not remembering readings

54:45

Memory static

55:05

Oh yeah, and BTW, you’re screwed!

Credits

Post-produced by: Dave
List of resources used or mentioned:
PCP is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 US License.
Season 22 Credits:

220: Otherkin – The Power of Names

Ashlee — Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:45:39 +0000

This week we are discussing the idea of names and how they relate to both the Pagan and Otherkin communities.

Regular Hosts:

Amber of Red Tail Arts, Branden of Pagan Men Dave of Pagans promoting Healthy Active Tendencies (PHAT), Joe of Pagan Roadtrip

Guest Hosts:

Amanda, Barrett of Pagan Men, Miles author of Teaching Witchcraft: A Guide for Teachers and Students of the Old Religion, NRia of Anonymous Snooze of Portable Weirdness

02:47

True Names vs “Craft Names”

03:32

Sacred power of Names

03:40

Name lore

04:27

Paranoia in sharing names

04:37

Amber’s analogy

05:14

How to meet chicks at a Pagan Festival

06:22

Names in the Otherkin community

06:47

Dangers of unlocking all your past life memories at once

07:30

Overlap in Pagan Otherkin about names

07:57

Origin of the “Craft Name”

08:08

The word you are looking for is Pseudonym (English Degree hard at work here lol)

08:26

Beauty of online anonimity

09:10

Craft Names and Spiritual Identity

09:42

Psychodrama

10:01

Snooze’s experience – Newbie names

10:39

Do your homework!

10:54

Wiccans taking the name of Deities….um…yeah…

11:13

Taking name of Deity a form of respect?

12:36

The origin of “Snooze”

13:19

Definition time! This week: humility and hubris

16:22

Problems with giving your alias a +1

17:00

Srry not ur trad kthxbai

18:42

The importance of castles and flags

19:27

And again the conversation turns to Nazis, ach!

19:52

Nazis butthurt after being pwnd by Churchill

20:04

Dave’s “final solution” to title ranking

20:51

Powerful names

22:20

Power of renaming

23:06

Do we have the right to rename others? YES!

23:24

Power of the nickname

23:40

What renaming does

23:59

Difference between nickname and renaming

24:23

Renaming in some Native traditions

25:04

Power behind positive and negative names

25:55

Changing the connotation of a name

27:15

Turning a name into a verb

27:57

Summoning Xian Day

28:28

Barrette’s renaming

28:33

First Canadian “Eh?” on PCP EVER!! *dances*

29:04

Obsession with Otherkin identity

30:03

Balance of “Spirtual life” and “Normal life”

31:10

Pagan Therapy ep 108 topic rehash: Are you functioning?

32:43

Miles’ buddy in Maryland

33:14

Otherkin coping strategy: the contract with their “Other” self

33:33

B’s experience with names at work

34:08

Asdair Moriel Moonbeam get your a$$ over here!! – using the full name when you’re in trouble

34:22

Scurv and the Four Joe’s

34:43

Problems with the commonality of names

34:59

Origin of the name Snooze

36:19

What is your “other” self telling you to do?

37:04

Related listening: Stuff You Should Know: How Schizophrenia Works

37:59

Can’t go to work, too dragony today

38:37

Branden’s bible thumper….poor bible

39:58

Snooze’s possibly “Other” friend and strange medical conditions

40:52

GROUP HUG!!

41:07

Coping techniques courtesy Snooze’s friend

42:02

Hinduism, Reincarnation, and Otherkin

42:28

Otherkin – entities from other planes of existance?

42:38

Dragons are emo

42:54

Kicked down here to learn life lessons

43:04

Otherkin reasons for incarnating on Earth

43:27

Earth is a work release program

44:16

Branden’s less than human co-worker

44:52

Benificial attributes in one’s Otherkin self

45:24

Down here because of task? Are they aware of it?

46:08

Hindu Krishna/beetle myth

46:34

The importance of dung beetles

47:19

The Creatures of Wal-Mart

47:33

Filling the soul quota

47:48

Sacrifice and reincarnation

48:41

Snooze’s neighborhood and their daily contribution to peopleofwalmart.com

49:12

Miles shoots a hole in Scurvy’s theory

49:42

Workers made in to zombies

50:19

Miles the Wal-Mart troll has trolled successfully

50:40

Snooze relates it all to Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy (read it, it’s win-tastic!)

51:02

Mental handicaps and possible connection to Otherkin

51:52

Snooze’s experience

52:53

Barrett disclaimer: Some NOT all

53:31

Another possibility: brain got fried on entry

54:39

Self awareness and eggplants

54:53

Snooze and her furry babies

56:10

Reincarnation is not a constant up and down

56:45

Are prophets Otherkin?

57:05

Technically…Jesus was Otherkin

58:19

Wacko cult leaders as Otherkin?

59:10

Composite being?

59:42

Yes, there is such a thing as Human-kin

Credits

Post-produced by: Ashlee
List of resources used or mentioned:
Cauldron Radio
Official Forest Moon Grove website
Lamyka’s Wiccan Podcast Episode 36, Episode 76
HowStuffWorks
Episode 34 – How Schizophrenia Works

PCP is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 US License.
Season 22 Credits:

219 – Death, Revisited

Ashlee — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:47:49 +0000

Tonight we are talking to the super awesome Nora Cedarwynd-Young, the Death Midwife on the topic of death and green/natural burials!

Regular Hosts:

Amber of Red Tail Arts, Dave of Pagans promoting Healthy Active Tendencies (PHAT), Joe of Pagan Roadtrip

Guest Hosts:

Amanda, Barrett of Pagan Men, Miles author of Teaching Witchcraft: A Guide for Teachers and Students of the Old Religion, Nora Cedarwynd-Young the Death Midwife of Ceremonies for Life’s Thresholds, Snooze of Portable Weirdness

00:35

Earth Religions Law Assistance Network – ERLAN.org has awesome resources you can check out, with a guide of “if you’re in X situation, you should do or recommend Y” and a lot of practical advice for situations like CPS/CYS coming after your children

00:47

Who is Nora Cedarwynd-Young?

00:55

How Dave met Nora

01:53

Dave almost made a hands-on Workshop at PSG

02:49

What is Death Midwifery?

08:08

Natural Burial

08:15

What is Natural Burial and why would someone want to have this done to them?

09:19

Methods of Natural Burial now available

11:39

Learn the choices you have to make when it comes to burial, and understand the impact it can make on the enviroment

12:01

This is a choice that is avilible, Although you may have to shop around

21:32

I know Circle Sanctuary has a natural burial site, but are most people in North America limited to being buried far away from their loved ones to have a natural burial?

24:37

Information on home Funerals

Credits

Post-produced by: Joe
List of resources used or mentioned:
PCP is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 US License.
Season 22 Credits:

218: Listener Feedback

Ashlee — Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:37:27 +0000

Tonight we answer some of the burning questions our awesome listeners have sent in, and holy crap someone finally sent us hatemail!!

Regular Hosts:

Amber of Red Tail Arts, Branden of Pagan Men Dave of Pagans promoting Healthy Active Tendencies (PHAT), Joe of Pagan Roadtrip, Sam

Guest Hosts:

Barrett of Pagan Men, Miles author of Teaching Witchcraft: A Guide for Teachers and Students of the Old Religion, NRia of Anonymous Snooze of Portable Weirdness

01:04

We’ver redesigned AskAPagan.com!

01:28

From ShadowMoon: I’ve been listening to many of your excellent podcasts and thought I should drop a line because I thought I had a interesting thought. Personally I do not beleive I experienced a past life, in fact, I think I’m a new soul. I don’t have any dreams and I think I would have triggered something by now considering I grew up in an abusive household and probably already have a form of PTSD. I have never felt called to any time, but I am a creative writer and have always loved dragons. I just thought this wasn’t touched upon in the discussion and wanted to bring the idea of new souls to light.

02:04

Do we have commentary on new souls? Run…run while you still can!

02:14

Souls can be recycled. Like a meatloaf!

02:31

Certain souls can come from the Great Abyss of the energy around

02:39

New soulds, they come from SoulMart

02:44

Do souls have an origin or does the feeling of being new comes from past experience of first being an animal?

03:17

Near death experiences, the flash you get is the information you take to you next life. It only continues if the flashes are relivant.

03:39

Everyone was a new soul at some point

04:01

Where do new souls come from?

04:14

Consider how your circle of peers would handle your situation. If you have handled the situation above average compared to them…then perhaps you are implimenting past lessons.

04:45

Snooze gives an example of a past life regression meditation where there was past parts that they weren’t allowed access to. It kind of meant they weren’t ready to handle the trauma of what happened in the past.

05:48

If a person’s past life was being Hitler, sometimes they just don’t want to remember or a higher power has a regulation on what is remembered

06:49

It depends on what school of thought you adhear to as how you view whether there is a higher power or the self taking the regulation

07:29

To live through a heavy abuse and come out on top, you have to have past experiences to pull from. New souls will be crushed.

08:15

You’re awareness points to something more than just being a new soul

08:38

If someone has a rough time last time around, and came into another rough life, it could be put on a back burner to be dealt with later

09:00

PTSD…Post Traumatic Soul Disorder

09:16

A soul goes through a number of life, learning more each time around. After a while it transcends into the next plane of existance. The end cycle becomes a highly energetic path like John Lennon

10:32

Ego check…Dave has no ego.

10:50

Listener feedback from Callie: Hi first off i have been listening to you guys for years and have learned so much. I am currently catching up on old podcast’s and was listening to #159 where you talked about health and such. One of you made the point to mention how hard it is for a person to buy exercise equipment or go to the gym for fear of being made fun of hits so close to home. I have been overweight all my life and the bullying i have received throughout school has partly made it so I am 100 lbs overweight with severe diabetes and high cholesterol making me a 27 year old at massive risk for heart attack. Even today i have trouble believing that people are nice. But I am working on it. I am extremely glad that I am not the only one who feels like this.

11:34

Dave created a facebook group: Pagans promoting healthy active tendencies…PHAT…to help each other out with being healthy

12:25

Scurvy created a smoking cessation group: Never again the burning times

13:42

NRia says yardwork…get out and do it

14:09

Everyone will tell you how to start slow. But Snooze adds never let people get to you. People aren’t nice. Individuals can be fantastic beyond belief. But people as a whole aren’t worth it when you’re trying to improve yourself

15:06

If you’re modifying yourself…you better be doing for yourself

16:23

Don’t waste time on trying to make people nice

16:38

Dave comments on how he lost a few hundred pounds, so he gives words of encouragement that it can be done!

17:24

Have some sort of mechanism to keep track of your progress. Dave uses LINK http://www.heiaheia.com

17:54

Health is more important than weight!

18:19

People with diabetes…GO TO A DOCTOR!

18:28

Any medical problems that effect health, it can effect a whole slew of things if you don’t keep up with it. Especially if there is anything that is inhibiting your digestion.

19:03

Chat Comment: It will only spiral downwards if you’re doing this because people want to. You’ll get lost in it

19:19

Amber talks about the idea of “You have to love yourself first” It’s not you have to love how you look, but you have to love WHO you are.

19:48

Don’t let others bring you down. They don’t know you. All of the little things that make you, you, are more important than how you look

20:34

Miles relates to our feedback with his stutter and how it has affected him and his understanding of their opinions.

22:58

Scurv has made it 48 hours without a soda and Dave gave up caffine!

23:24

Branden brings up that the Patriot Act is about to time out

24:15

Christian Terrorists…we need to watch out for them

24:41

From Callie 2: Thank You for the quick response last time. I was wondering if you have any ideas for books as I have been calling myself pagan for many years (I am aware of it being an umbrella term but don’t know what else to call myself) I have a huge interest in all mythology and was wondering if you guys call suggest any books. Especially on Greek and Egyptian mythology, also any books on Cherokee history (as just found out am descended from the Cherokee’s in north or south Carolina (can’t remember exactly where but the name starts with pigeon) (heehee you guys thought I was going to say a Cherokee princess huh?) Any help you can give me would be awesome and keep in mind that I am in Canada and it’s sometimes harder to get certain books here.

25:18

LINK: http://books.google.com/books?id=G9bnhN6iDL4C&pg=RA1-PA565&lpg=RA1-PA565&dq=cherokee+lore+otter&source=bl&ots=hD4PxVHlx5&sig=IwbXzWCTmf5Zkb18dMSAjVnKj_Q&hl=en&ei=sPuMTsuTO4SltwemkeWkDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEIQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=cherokee%20lore%20otter&f=false

25:29

LINK: http://www.imbleedingprofusely.com/books

25:56

From AskAPagan: Does metaphysical practice affect the electromagnetic field generated by a human being?

26:22

From AskAPagan : Should we just the Asatru rules of no weapons and no defecation or be adhering to something like Buckland’s recommendation of washing walls and floors with water and sea salt before all rituals? You all have addressed cleanliness of the human body before ritual, but not the physical space itself.

26:45

Who brings an article of defication into ritual?!?!

27:08

Sam showers with a salt scrub before hand, and suggests not wearing diapers

27:27

Ritual Space: Miles has gone from an old moldy basement to the outdoors to a pristine living room. Maybe it’s just a reflection of how much the person wants to impress who’s there or the gods?

29:11

Snooze says there’s a group that makes it a stipulation where your work area MUST be clean

30:01

Being in a messy setting, really messes with the energy of the ritual

30:07

Miles edits his prior comment and relates it to Feng Shui

30:33

Sam likes to vacume after putting down cinnamon and salt

30:58

Branden feels it’s not necessarily how clean it needs to be, but perhaps it depends more on what path you follow or who you follow.

31:33

Clutter can just get in the way

32:19

Barrett says he just feels more comfortable in a clean setting, but his path really never cleaned before hand…they were vikings after all.

32:56

Cleaning wands in the ocean…but hey…fish pee in that!

33:20

Salt…it’s a cleanser. Dave talks about his coming to terms with it.

34:16

Salt was one of the only first aid things people had for quite a long time, so it makes sense.

35:34

We need to raise the bar on hate mail. Why is it like derp derp derp instead of coherent like our questions?

36:10

Anyone who hates PCP…is full of fail

36:22

Hate Mail! Generally, I try not to expose myself as rampant troll-bait. But in this case, you’re trying to advertise as a safe and non-threatening place to go for newbies to the pagan community, at the same time that you’re mercilessly ripping into someone for fairly benign slights. I’m betting a slight outside chance that someone will appreciate being told – Your tone is off. Emails that are too long? (In the same breath as complaining about twitter being too short) Not responding fast enough? Not enough to justify endless public mockery. I don’t know her. I did know her music before, in a positive fashion. Right now, you all sound like a bunch of nasty seventh-grade JV cheerleaders targeting some poor, awkward girl who tries too hard, and I would know. But let’s be honest: None of you care about being mean, vicious, or unfair, and you made that perfectly clear in your disclaimers. You do apparently care about being respected as a resource for pagan noobs, though, so – I would hand someone a Ravenwolf text before I’d send them to you, after this display of amateur hostility. I never subscribed to this podcast to hear you vent your personal vendettas, let alone the ones that are pure anal boredom. In the interests of hitting your target audience, and for the ones who haven’t already unsubscribed, please do us all a favor, and shut the fuck up. Regards, Pennanti

37:37

Scurv and Amber sent replies within the our…yay boredom!

38:01

Amber reads her reply

39:54

Scurv reads his reply

40:59

We don’t just rant…so there

41:17

Dave was out in Europe at the time, but we got a +1

41:24

Scurv tries..but fails…to take the devil’s advocat’s stance on this hate mail

41:55

We can quantify the amount of spam from our YouTube video where we had to delete 920 spam comments on her episode

42:57

If you have hate mail, send it to pcp@imbleedingprofusely.com or go to imbleedingprofusely.com and click the contact button.

41:24

Scurv tries..but fails…to take the devil’s advocat’s stance on this hate mail

41:55

We can quantify the amount of spam from our YouTube video where we had to delete 920 spam comments on her episode

42:23

If you’re gonna troll someone, know the legalities of it!

42:57

If you have hate mail, send it to pcp@imbleedingprofusely.com or go to imbleedingprofusely.com and click the contact button.

43:22

If you’re going to send us hate mail…be right

43:37

If you’re confused, a podcast…is basically a radio show

43:51

Amber hates indirect guilt trip. If you’re going to harass us, do it up front…come on!

44:05

If you’re going to insult Scurvy, just call him a girly girl. Everyone else does

44:42

Please note we never blocked Pennatti from our site for sending us a disagreeing e-mail.

45:19

Amber promots PaganShoppingNetwork interviews and the psychology episode

Credits

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List of resources used or mentioned:
PCP is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 US License.
Season 22 Credits:

217: Excessive Legislation and Marginalization

Ashlee — Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:08:34 +0000

The Scurvy Forward:
The ability to have one’s voice heard is what makes them a person in the eyes of the public.

Time and again in history, whenever a people has lost the ability to have their voice heard in a medium that can project empathy and passion to the people at large, they have lost the right to be considered a person by the lawmakers. Though we may cast many an ill glance at the film industry in the past decade, it has provided that valuable service.

Regular Hosts:

Amber of Red Tail Arts, Dave of Pagans promoting Healthy Active Tendencies (PHAT), Joe of Pagan Roadtrip

Guest Hosts:

Amanda, a woman so full of win she doesn’t need a link!!, Barrett of Pagan Men,

00:16

Scurvy’s Foreward on the ability to have one’s voice heard

00:42

Have the solution you intend to use instead of using tradgedy to advance your own position

01:07

What motivated the episode?

01:16

Scruvy talks Unions

01:46

In Wisconsin, the Unions shut down the goverment temporarily

02:08

Motivation to look at news paper articles with a different perspecitve

02:17

Are we talking discrimination? Scurvy gives some examples of how he thinks the goverment should be there for the people. Not picking on people growing gardens in their yard.

02:59

Dave puts together some examples of excessive legislature.

03:14

News reported is arrested because you have to report the meeting or participate…not both

03:51

People are slowly learning mob mentality gets shit done

04:21

If you want to make a change with mob mentality, march on Washington, don’t cost people’s lives

04:35

Fed oath is to uphold and defend the constitutional form of the goverment…not the goverment as it is

05:06

There’s a lot of positions not elected in the goverment anymore

06:04

Scurv makes the comment big business is now another branch of the goverment

06:31

If you throw enough money at a situation, it’ll go away

06:50

Cities making it illegal to grow your own food…WTF?

07:13

Not having the ability to grow your own food was treated as a conspiracy theory a few years ago. Look at it now!

07:56

Listen to: STUFF THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW: MONSANTO CONSPIRACY

08:07

Dave elaborates on the Monsanto Conspiracy: Genetically engineered seeds and what it means for our future as far as farming and food supply

08:41

Conspiracy theories, why are they so easy to dismiss

08:50

Biggest problem: Easily discredited statements

09:21

Scruv points out the tobacco industry and it’s involvement in goverment agencies

09:55

Our system’s not perfect, and the moment we think it is is the moment we become too complacent with it

10:13

Dave explains the system of checks and balances in the form of copyrite and NRA

10:46

Whether my nation worships ten gods or no god, it neither breaks my leg or breaks my pocket

11:04

Civil Rights are not part of the constitution. Technically, there’s a lot of people that don’t have rights constitutionally speaking

11:27

When talking about slavery, you have to include the idea of greed

11:52

The power that a company has over you as an individual is horrifying

12:07

If we get shit from this episode, I’m sure we can call up Circle Sanctuary

12:25

People tends to go off the deep end with little things rather than focus on the big things

12:38

Dealing with the goverment can be too intimidating to deal with because it’s seen as a whole entity

13:03

It’s easier to blow up at something you feel you can control rather than something that is big

13:18

Scurvy talks about job discrimination with pagans in regards to people being allowed to not hire someone of a particular faith path as long as they state it in the job description

13:46

Where did you have to prove you were not a religion for you own benifit? The inquisition, the Holocost, Convert or die,

14:07

Let’s not forget converting the Native American’s to Christianity…we even convinced them to do it themselves!

14:23

At least Hitler put the Jews on trains…when we do genocide, we make them walk 1,000 miles

14:28

A morgage is basically putting things back to a feudal state

14:54

Scurv talk about health insurance

15:23

Or…you can just make healthcare not cost so much…

15:35

We should get our meds from Canada and save money in the process

15:39

Scurv talks about how he hears chicken little stories about socalized healthcare

15:47

You never hear about how awesome Sweden and Japan’s healthcare are

15:59

We have some of the same problems with our healthcare over here if not worse…

16:04

The British system may still be the worst system, and it still works!

16:10

We talk about how you’ll wait for surgery in either place. However, over here…you may still wait AND let’s hope you can pay for it

16:32

Do we want the goverment to take over healthcare? Maybe just not with how it is now

16:54

People are just letting things happen

17:01

There’s too much in the news to take in and analyze

17:11

Dave uses the Casey Anthony trial going on and the coverage instead of covering the wars that we’re in

17:23

They’re trying to make the Casey Law that it’ll be a federal offense not to report them missing and something about double jeopardy

17:36

Dave says there’s a search and rescue that’s sueing because the child was never missing to begin with

17:57

Balloon Boy? No, this mother just killed her child

18:06

Being on an isolated place changes your view on what you worry about. News takes a different tone. If it doesn’t effect your life…nobody cares

19:08

Raises are for when the money is there. Hey Congresspeople…lead by example!

19:29

It’s getting to point where it’s not laws to help people live. It’s getting to where we have laws that just rape you up the ass because they can get away with it

19:50

Shouldn’t we have leaders that we actually WANT to follow?

20:02

Once you have over 30 million people…it just can’t function as a democracy or a republic. It’s just too big.

21:00

We built the ENTIRE interstate highway system in 20-30 years. Now we can’t do anything but blow crap up

21:42

For every piece of armor you put on, you give up a piece of freedom

22:04

How does an HOA tell you anything keep the value of your home at a peak? It doesn’t

22:28

You obviously can’t take care of things enough, so we’ll just give you enough regulations so where you’re forced to

22:42

Chatroom input: Maybe the USA should break up?

22:59

Federal gov shouldn’t be doing much, so why don’t we just break it back down to the state level?

23:22

OSHA…they’ve done good things. Go OSHA!

23:49

Amber talks about her experiences with OSHA in restaurant work

24:13

You need the federal system because the states just suck at keeping things up

24:23

40 hour work week…go federal gov

24:43

Chatroom input: They’ve seen a lot of business cut corners on safty, so they understand all the regulations

24:13

You need the federal system because the states just suck at keeping things up

24:23

40 hour work week…go federal gov

24:25

Our goverment is supposed to be disbanding monopolies…not sure what happened there…..

24:43

Chatroom input: They’ve seen a lot of business cut corners on safty, so they understand all the regulations

25:07

Who can afford to lose the ability to feed yourself to fight a battle of morality

25:20

People need to start speaking again

25:22

Scruv thinks we need a new method of communication to get people to speak…Dave shoots it full of holes

25:45

People don’t mail shit anymore. So when they get a piece of mail, so they pay more attention to it

26:05

Mass e-mails are annoying

26:08

Let’s use facebook as an example of annoying mass messages

26:28

Scurv wants people to march and send letters, but his reasoning is it doesn’t work because they can’t afford to do it. Dave says nope, laziness is the culperate

26:52

There is a mix of fear in there…what if I’m the only one. We need the mob mentality for the idea of comfort while fighting for their ideals.

27:28

If there’s no record of reports, the company has perfectly deniability because no report has ever been filed.

27:58

Mob mentality is great, but it makes people stupid

28:10

Scurv talks about speaking to congress

27:28

If there’s no record of reports, the company has perfectly deniability because no report has ever been filed.

27:58

Mob mentality is great, but it makes people stupid

28:10

Scurv talks about speaking to congress

28:18

Amanda tells a story about a man who wanted to speak to Queen Elizabeth (the current one) And how she handled the situation. Go Elizabeth!

28:55

You don’t always have to do something wrong, all they have to do is SAY you did something wrong

29:33

How can you prove you’re not pagan? Scurv talks about how he thinks its a popularity contest. But you need to have a definition for something like that to work

30:27

There’s better things to worry about rather than what religion they are

30:44

Religion shouldn’t play anything when it comes to the job

30:59

The only job it should matter is when its in a church.

31:07

Amber talks about the parameters of the McCullum court case and her perspectives on it.

31:43

Scurv is wondering why religious people are getting paid

32:18

How ARE religious people going to survive if they’re not paid for their job? Because it’s not all donation of time. The congregation pays them. Pagans just don’t have the structure to do this right now

32:57

Peter Dybing gets everyone together, or we sell glitter graphics to pay our clergy…

33:26

People need to start focusing on positive action

33:37

Take the amount of time you’ll take bitching, and write a letter and mail it…

33:56

Scurvy wants us to write Congress once a week………

34:53

We might get some Congress critters on the show…then what would happen?

35:10

Barrett says Canadian politics deals in needs, and American politics deals with morals

35:38

Amber talked to a secretary, and she explained how most of them don’t know the laws their supposed to uphold

36:28

Who’s really running the country? The secretaries…

36:48

We talk about the Congressman that sent photos of his penis out and then claimed it wasn’t him.

37:37

Scurv…he’s going to handwrite letters

37:53

Scurv reitterates people need to get involved

39:17

Dave picks on MA…they have to follow everything to the letter even if it makes no sense

39:30

There’s the Army training facility down in TX…would it be wise to invade the state that has all those soiders?

39:51

Mexico’s lucky it doesn’t have oil that Americans want…wait…backtrack…been there done that.

40:27

Just how many places are we blowing up now? Let’s list them!

40:47

There’s a panic starting that the goverment will stop funding emergency services

41:05

Hey…park service won’t get paid if that happens..you know what that means? KILL THE PLOVERS! KILL THE PLOVERS

41:19

We suck at this politics things…where’s Cara when you need her?

41:47

Monkeys owning copyrights…

42:51

Scurv randomly brings up how he wonders what will happen when we meet intelligent life on other planets. Why in the world would they like to talk to humans???

Credits

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PCP is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 US License.
Season 22 Credits:

216: Criticism, Gossip, and No Biggie

Ashlee — Tue, 08 Nov 2011 14:37:47 +0000

Tonight we discuss a variety of things, but mostly about criticism, gossip, and how it’s no biggie!

Regular Hosts:

Dave of Pagans promoting Healthy Active Tendencies (PHAT), Joe of Pagan Roadtrip

Guest Hosts:

Cara Shultz, Barrett of Pagan Men, Miles who wrote Teaching Witchcraft: A Guide for Teachers and Students of the Old Religion

01:13

Last time on P.C.P….

01:42

Sometimes people just have a bad day

02:12

Dave interferes with Scurvy’s denial mechanism

02:32

Newsflash – Pagan Activists have day jobs

02:47

Pagan media, leaders, etc. are overworked

03:03

Dave’s “Infinite Cycle of Stupid”- imbalance in Pagan organizations

04:00

Miles’ experience with his local PPD

05:33

Scurvy on “The Right to Offer Criticizm”

05:49

If you don’t contribute, you lose the right to complain

06:10

Jason Pitzl-Waters announces his move to Patheos.com

06:38

Ed Hubbard of Pagans Tonight talks of sponsoring the Wild Hunt on Patheos

07:08

Emergence of a “sponsorship model”

07:19

Hesitance of Pagan businesses to fund Pagan events, etc.

08:33

Raleigh Pagan Pride Day

08:45

CNCPPD is full of win!

08:58

Dave’s experience with his not PPD

09:15

Miles’ experience with Pagan authors

09:26

Miles’ creates a new word – “blurb-ism”

09:49

Dave admits to being completely oblivious to Miles’ books

09:58

Miles is apparantly “too cool” to be an author

10:25

PCP – a show FOR average Pagans BY average Pagans

10:37

Dave…the wiccan…didn’t know who Peter Dybing was

10:52

Scurvy lives in a box…with really killer internet access

11:02

Some BNPs don’t want celeb treatment – like being John Q. Pagan

11:35

We tend to hate on high maintanence celebs

12:10

Selena Fox is full of win and awesome

12:35

Qualifications for Big Name Pagans

12:43

Miles in denial of the fact he is a Big Name Pagan

12:49

Scurvy almost got beat up by Miles’ fans

13:08

Miles lists up and coming BNPs

13:34

BNPs vary in geographic locations

14:22

Miles REALLY does not classify himself as a BNP

14:29

BNP status is declared by other people

14:53

People’s Choice Pagan Awards

15:02

Miles and Dave create the Pagan Choice Awards

15:28

Scurvy nominates himself for the Pagan Troll award

15:36

Dave nominates Cara for the most trolled Pagan (not necessarily by Scurvy)

15:44

Scurvy and Cara – the webcomic!

15:58

Dave refuses to make fun of something

16:33

Cara doesn’t want people to turn her into a suit while hiding in her basement

17:00

Sometimes its a complete mental meltdown

17:09

Lashing out a coping mechanism

17:49

Things to keep in mind when observing flame wars online

18:12

Hard to be aware of your actions when you are being f#@*nuts crazy

18:33

Continued discussion of incident on the Wild Hunt blog discussion page

19:53

Jason watches his comment section @_@

20:09

Don’t always have to repeat what you’ve heard

20:17

OH NOES!! Scurvy rant time on gossip ninjas

21:21

Dave never has bad days….ever….

21:28

Scurvy makes Barrett participate

21:52

If it’s not effecting the community at large – IT’S NOT NEWS!!!

22:18

Dave’s news story – might have been a sociology experiment

23:17

Result: people will mindlessly reproduce ANYTHING

23:44

Miles: Possibly posted by KFC employee?

24:04

Dave: Corporations are mean – but not THAT mean to one another

24:12

Scurvy: did it for the lulz

24:37

Miles’ Newt Gingrich/Lady Gaga analogy

25:14

Miles – Lulworthy not the same as gossip

25:17

The imaginary Lady Blackwell

25:48

Initiating damage control

25:56

Back to the McDonald’s sign social experiment and its effects

26:25

Difficulties in combating gossip

27:00

Cara’s experience with reality challenged people

27:28

Planned Parenthood Abortionplex (pssst…not real)

27:45

Dave’s freshman group project in college

29:29

Scurvy reflects on the Gamma period

29:59

Difference between gossip and comparing notes

31:51

Things Scurvy can expect from Marines

29:29

Scurvy reflects on the Gamma period

29:59

Difference between gossip and comparing notes

30:34

Scurvy’s attempt at getting into sports

31:51

Things Scurvy can expect from Marines

32:17

Princess Merediths’ starter makes a good baby rattle

32:28

For some reason we are popular in the military…and prisons…

32:39

Scurvy’s plot for a Pagan 12 step program episode

32:49

Shoutout to all our peeps in rehab, keep up being awesome!!

33:23

Why Scurvy stopped being a pascifist (wait, Scurvy was a pacifist????)

33:33

Scurvy was being a douchebag enabler

33:47

Scurvy/Joe’s ridiculous amount of email addresses

34:18

Miles’ example of pacifism

36:05

Dave’s (yes Dave) foray into pacifism

36:29

Sometimes you need a little vigilante justice

37:00

Legal law vs. effective law

36:05

Dave’s (yes Dave) foray into pacifism

36:29

Sometimes you need a little vigilante justice

37:00

Legal law vs. effective law

37:10

Situational enforcement

38:19

Sarah Palin of Salem

39:01

Christian Day is the Bloody Mary of the internet

39:33

How To Accept Criticism

39:42

Scurvy’s daily heuristics

39:52

Listen to the words that are said

40:21

Understand what is said

40:38

Accepting criticism like studying for a test

40:59

Dave and his obsessive compulsion to correct spelling

41:13

No Scurvy, the squiggly lines are NOT decoration

41:27

The horrors of Calculus II

41:35

Miles’ foray in to Mathmatics

42:02

Pretend the person speaking is worth your respect

42:10

Try not to erratically wave the Ban Hammer around

42:15

Credible threats of violence recieve immidiate ban hammer

43:08

Cara’s fanclub

43:43

Doing it for the lulz is still childish – do you want to be seen that way?

44:42

The joys of video post production

45:12

Dave’s major problem with the Sarah Palin of Salem

46:36

How to offer criticism

57:23

Ubersetzung: Wat hast du? Oh nein, du ni-icht!

48:30

Ask yourself “Am I being a dick?”

48:49

Conflict is growth

49:07

New example: a Pagan individual that called for the death of monotheists

50:08

Lamyka is NOT the one making death threats

51:02

The antagonist has been located, his email is Dave@imbleedingprofusely.com

51:17

Patrick, you are full of win because Scurvy says so

51:42

Conflict can be very constructive

52:14

Perfect example of constructive conflict – the fail of episode 105

52:55

Scurvy’s basic rule of P.C.P: If you write the shownotes, we will make an episode about it

53:03

Resulting episode on the Temple of Set was full of awesome and you should check it out (Episode 113)

53:58

Dave is the least OCD about post production

54:21

Miles’ fanclub

54:49

We don’t judge by rank, we judge by how people are as being…people

55:15

P.C.P has a highly adaptive crew….also known as “judgementally impaired”

55:27

Barette’s show is awesome, go listen to it!! (it’s listed as “Pagan Men” on our website)

55:57

Dave attempts to light a post production fire under Scurvy’s butt *cough *cough*

56:56

Every discussion leads to Nazis. Lieber Gott, nicht die Nazis!!

57:11

Scurvy goes further into his studies on German Nazi Germany history (Germanception?)

Credits

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Season 21 Credits:

215: Project Conversion

Ashlee — Thu, 03 Nov 2011 00:00:14 +0000

Nearly on schedule, drama erupted in the Pagan community in the beginning of October when Patheos.com management covered Project Conversion being done by a staff member of their primary competitor, Beliefnet. Contrary to most of the Pagan community, the crew of the Pagan Centered Podcast believe this journey by Andrew Bowen is full of awesome and we have much to learn from it as a community. Put aside the Pagan politics and drama for an hour as we discuss Andrew Bowen’s journey through several different religions and how this project will evolve in 2012.

Regular Hosts:

Amber of Red Tail Arts, Ashlee, Dave of Pagans promoting Healthy Active Tendencies (PHAT), Joe of Pagan Roadtrip

Guest Hosts:

Amanda, Andrew Bowen of Beliefnet, Barrett of Pagan Men, NRia of Anonymous

01:31

What is Project Conversion and what inspired Andrew to do it?

02:42

How did this become a beliefnet project?

03:43

What have you been able to take away from Project Conversion so far?

05:28

What other religions have been part of Project Conversion so far?

06:55

First week canonball

08:51

Morning/Evening edition of the blogs which leads to a higher quality of content.

11:03

If you haven’t gotten yelled at, you’re not doing something worthwhile

12:59

Making errors in Wicca is easy

13:13

Why Wicca in October? Samhain?

14:11

Finding mentors for this project is not easy at all. What they go through to help.

15:06

Wiccans forget how hard it is to get started

16:36

How satisfied has he been with his mentors so far?

17:43

What do you recommend for someone trying to get into Wicca?

19:00

With only 12 religions to cover, why choose Wicca?

20:05

If you were doing this over again, would you make any changes?

20:47

Andrew’s experiece and with Paganism in the past and how it influenced him.

23:45

Andrew was terrified of Paganism prior to October but didn’t let it stop him from investigating this path.

24:36

Favorite experience of the month, viewing the divine as feminine

25:46

Pagan leaders forget to communicate that making mistakes is okay

27:03

Difficult Topics

28:31

Drama, welcome to Paganism

29:20

Maybe Star Foster, Manager at Patheos.com, teaches by screaming at people?

30:29

The benefits of the Patheos Drama Llama

31:27

People doing research!

31:57

Analogy of Pagans as cats

32:20

Pagans yelling at Pagans for being full of derp.

33:11

Andrew figured out in a month what it takes us years.

33:30

Dream of the goddess

33:50

The river

35:30

Feminine divine in Mormon Belief

37:31

Another 12 months after this year?

37:42

Project conversion in 2012, the new evolution.

38:09

Will the reconstructionalists get any love in 2012?

39:27

Patheos drama, that Project Conversion would be deterimental to wicca – and it turns out it’s been the exact opposite

41:09

Jainism is a difficult path to follow

42:10

Words of wisdom that Wiccans and Pagans can benefit from

42:10

Words of wisdom that Wiccans and Pagans can benefit from

43:43

Is Wicca spiritually shallow in contrast with other religions?

45:13

A serious month in atheism?

46:06

Definitions of agnostic and atheist

48:04

The impact of Project Conversion on Andrew’s children

Credits

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PCP is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 US License.
Season 22 Credits:

214: Media Poisoning

Ashlee — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:54:07 +0000

Tonight the P.C.P crew reveals a very disturbing trend they have discovered within a very popular online Pagan news source.

Google Doc episode notes

Regular Hosts:

Amber of Red Tail Arts, Branden of Pagan Men, Dave of Proud Pagan Podcasters, Joe (aka "Cancer of the Pagan Community") of Pagan Roadtrip, Sam

Guest Hosts:

Miles who wrote Teaching Witchcraft: A Guide for Teachers and Students of the Old Religion, Snooze of Portable Weirdness

00:46

Dave's Monologue

06:07

Snooze Quote

06:16

How do we immunize ourselves from bad media?

06:35

What we will be talking about tonight

06:45

Goals of tonight's episode

07:02

Where can this alleged news cycle be observed?

07:33

The Hypothesis

07:41

Snooze offers a clarification of her quote

09:00

We already see media manipulation in local and national media

10:48

Participate in the home game!

11:20

The Hypothesis

11:26

Are Pagans intentionally doing this?

12:24

Justification for focusing on Patheos

12:51

Workplace stress as a contributing factor

13:17

Unplug time is good

13:55

Fear, Sex and Drama sell

14:15

The stuff we complain about in the mainstream media, to see it in Pagan media kinda hurts a little

14:27

What you grow up with is exceptionally hard to break away from.

15:04

Popularity Contests

15:07

Going at things with less than pure intention

16:10

Throw the Christians manipulating Pagan media theory out the window until you have proof.

16:45

This started in 2011

17:02

Case study: January 24, 2011 – Feri Schism

18:20

Case Study: March 25, 2011 – Pagans in the Media

20:39

May 26, 2011 – Pantheism vs. Paganism, ZOMG Paganism is going away!!!

23:25

Triggering event to get Dave investigating possible media poisoning

24:24

How to get PCP to and not to do some things

24:44

Journalists emotionally reacting to feedback

25:00

Sociopathy in the Pagan Media?

25:41

July 24, 2011 – Dominionism, DC-40, NAR etc.

26:15

Beware opinion pieces that appear to be news articles

26:55

It's not that there's a news report, it's that there are multiple followups to keep this in people's minds.

27:09

Reporting vs. marketing theory being used to drive a commuinity to desired action.

27:57

Dominionism et. al. as a theme on The Wild Hunt, 2008 vs. 2011

28:55

Why is this every other month?

30:07

Hit Counts!

30:07

Hit Counts!

30:16

Traffic came up in a Pagan Public Relations workshop

30:37

Dave provides insider knowledge about how internet advertising works.

32:30

Hits to websites are like readers to small town newspapers

32:45

The more angry you are, the more likely you are to read. We are ALL drawn to drama.

33:09

Result of spiking our twitter feed with 1 drama post.

33:27

Joe thanks all participants

33:38

Parallels to Catholicism?

33:59

The Apocalypse Guy, he is still getting money!

34:09

It's always 'Follow the Money'

36:00

Employees are told what to do in exchange for money thus lack of freedom

36:53

Some people are obsessed with power

37:00

As one's notoriety and popularity grows, the more under attack they become

37:34

In a convoluted way, this is an achievement for PCP

38:20

PCP wants to hear your intelligent and informed criticism

39:03

Question!

39:20

Many people don't know how to offer that in a constructive context

39:50

Separating the concepts of disagreeing from attacking

40:00

Our internal attempts at disproving the hypothesis

41:06

Unethical behavior?

41:28

Take your drama out of public, put it in private

41:58

September Drama: Asatru Folk Assembly?

42:25

Organizations shouldn't emotionally react

42:56

Trusting people to be who they are

44:56

Purging Facebook feeds as a means of curbing drama in one's life

46:48

What can we take away from this whole mess?

46:51

Do not let yourself get worked up over drama. Check the calendar if you are feeling anxiety.

47:18

Don't get infected with drama llamas

47:37

Is this really going to matter in 5 years?

48:12

Quantifying the loss of Pagan productivity this drama causes.

48:57

People leaving Paganism because they can't take all the drama, not because of religious stuff.

49:43

Your public communications, even on personal blogs, can be linked to and turned into headline news.

50:01

Put the drama behind privacy curtains

50:17

Those in the media will be looked at under a microscope

50:53

As we become more mainstream, it becomes people's perception that you are not representative unless you think exactly like they do.

51:37

Is this public drama a holdover of the old days of The Green Egg?

53:04

In the print publication, there was a lot of filtering to prevent everyone from being an instant a-hole anonymously.

54:38

Multi-generational bad habits

55:35

This is just human nature, not just a Pagan thing

55:47

Maybe those in the media should take a stand against this, but also have a contingency plan when private channels break down.

56:03

Is moving drama to private channels censorship?

56:18

It's a professional courtersy

57:01

PCP episodes cover when people step out of bounds of professional courtersy

57:31

Start by establishing what is out of bounds

57:46

Maturity that is sensitive to the particular situation

58:31

Be cool, don't embarass us

58:44

Controlling interpersonal interaction

59:43

Ask people to explain

1:00:53

Joe is cancer of the Pagan community

1:01:37

Asshole rant

1:02:31

People and sensitive subjects, people blame others

1:03:34

Hide the troll bait from Scurv!

1:04:09

It's not that people make mistakes, it's how they act afterwards.

1:04:42

How do you use your anger?

1:05:16

Change isn't easy

1:05:41

We understand changing is not easy

1:06:31

On the internet, people overreact

1:06:53

People overreact on the internet, just look at Occupy Wall Street as a case study.

1:09:43

DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

1:10:32

Stop, Look and Listen!

1:10:39

What about the echo chamber?

1:10:52

Disproving the hypothesis?

1:11:17

Media tactics that Snooze has been told of.

1:12:54

Drama happens organically, not on a calendar schedule

1:13:14

Predictions for the September Pagan Drama

1:13:34

Miles' solution

1:13:55

Remember, sometimes everyone involved in a situation is genuinely innocent

1:14:13

Perhaps merely presenting the hypothesis will negate the pattern

1:15:43

Playing Devil's Advocate

1:16:13

Events vs. interpretation being up for question.

1:16:29

The ultimate test for a hypothesis is establishing predictability

1:17:30

Both Truth and Crazy will out themselves

1:17:44

Others will notice if this is actually going on, like with The Daily Mail and Fox News

1:18:51

Correction, Avoidance or Non-Existence

1:19:01

Pagans are now more willing to question their media sources

1:19:38

Some people will act predictability regardless, and that can be frustrating

1:20:51

People get defensive.

1:21:14

Intervention on Scurv

1:21:30

Lowered expectations for media

Credits

Post-produced by: Dave
PCP is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 US License.
Fifra: Haunted Mines

213: Spinning Our Wheels on Negativity Pt. 2

Ashlee — Thu, 20 Oct 2011 19:53:53 +0000

Tonight we continue the discussion from last week’s episode: Spinning Our Wheels on Negativity pt 1

Regular Hosts:

Amber of Red Tail Arts, Dave of Proud Pagan Podcasters, Joe of Pagan Roadtrip

Guest Hosts:

Amanda, Barrett of Pagan Men, Nor, Peter Dybing of Covenant of the Goddess, Wesley

02:07

How to get Money out of Pagans for your groups, Circles, and Churches

03:19

Dave gives info on how to play Sim City

06:15

Peter has a plan to fix our hatemail problem

13:15

Don’t be afraid to seek assistance or guidance. Social media like The Pagan Veil and Facebook can be useful in these situations. Contact Pagans you know… like us.

13:50

Want to help, but don’t know what to do – there’s no shortage of things you can help with. Hence that list we’re making. Here’s some issues currently facing the Pagan Community: Our elders are dieing and their wisdom along with our history is dieing with them. We need to get their wisdom documented or recorded. Discrimination against Pagans is now legal, this precedent set by the 9th circuit court needs fixed! Vocal fundamentalists still say bad crap about us around the world, we need to take control of those conversations and combat misconceptions not just with words and media coverage but by example and by being role models integrated with our surrounding communities. We frequently get blinded as a community and hyperfocused on the negative. We do a post every day on Twitter just quickly covering something Pagan-related that’s going on. Follow us on Twitter: @pcppodcast and you’ll also see when we post new podcasts, videos etc. Pagans prefer herbal solution, but the FDA has made a mockery of drug regulations. Did you know Walnuts are drugs? http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/8294-walnuts-are-drugs-says-fda We don’t have a good Pagan 101 podcast we can hand over to chaplains to get a quick dose of Pagan 101 about a specific Pagan religion before meeting with them. Scurv is working on fixing this problem. There are many amazing Pagan shops out there that go unnoticed. We are launching the Pagan Shopping Network, PaganShoppingNetwork.com to fix this problem.

14:25

Daves Instructions have potental

19:42

Remember kids, Walnuts are Drugs.

20:00

We don’t have a good Pagan 101 podcast we can hand over to chaplains to get a quick dose of Pagan 101 about a specific Pagan religion before meeting with them. Scurv is working on fixing this problem.

25:32

There are many amazing Pagan shops out there that go unnoticed. We are launching the Pagan Shopping Network, PaganShoppingNetwork.com to fix this problem

27:21

How will Pagan Shopping Network be diffrent then witchvox….everyone will be in buisness, Dave with his logic agian

30:17

Many that are coming to be known as BNPs (e.g. Jason Pitzl-Waters) are those that saw a problem and fixed it on their own, without waiting for anyone to give their permission. Not those who just wrote books or made podcasts about issues, but those that did something that was effective at resolving issues, or motivating them to be resolved.

31:22

There’s a LOT of good stuff going on in the Pagan community. Be part of that! Or at the very least, help out those that can help – even if you’re just “the chip and dip girl.” Every ounce of assistance and people getting out of the way of progress helps.

36:12

Negativity in our verbiage to the outside world

36:27

We are NOT bla bla bla – people don’t really care anymore that we’re not Satanists and we’re not eating babies and we’re not bla bla bla. It’d be like asking what something is and being told it’s not a breadbox, not particularly useful. Focus on positive verbiage like “we are dirt worshipping tree huggers” and focus on what we are

42:08

Besides, from a psychology standpoint, people find it easier to understand statements made in the positive (e.g. “we are dirt worshipping tree huggers”) rather than statements made in the negative (e.g. “we are not Christians”).

42:15

Program interfaces are even designed to avoid the word “not” as to make things easier to understand at a quick glance.

Credits

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Season 22 Credits:

212 : Spinning Our Wheels on Negativity Pt. 1

Ashlee — Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:55:40 +0000

This episode is the first in a two part series where we discuss Negativity in the Pagan Community and how to handle it.

Regular Hosts:

Amber of Red Tail Arts, Dave of Proud Pagan Podcasters, Joe of Pagan Roadtrip

Guest Hosts:

Amanda, Nor, and our lovely listeners

00:13

Announcements Dolt, who sent us a threat of violence for planning episode 201, has been censured for doing the same to others. PCP Effect . Cauldron Radio now plays Pagan People every Third Wednesday of the month. Go check em out at Live365.com, just search for Cauldron Radio

03:45

Okay, we understand we haven’t been the beacon of all things positive – we call it as it is.

04:08

This episode will probably counterbalance our episodes on leadership shouldn’t be taking on too much and being fiscally responsible

04:19

This entire episode was written before the WD-40… I mean DC-40 controversy. We’ll be doing an entirely separate episode about that and other similar messes. Tonight, let’s focus on the abstract of dwelling on the negative and not the concrete of the specific individuals inciting and popularizing the negative.

04:37

Dwelling on the negative, what that does to small communities

04:51

Dwelling on the negative, what that does to small communities

05:07

Sometimes this is intentional and emotionally-driven

05:26

Sometimes this is profit driven (e.g. small town newspapers)

05:36

Sometimes this is done without realizing it (e.g. giving everyone a voice, passive leaders).

06:10

burp

07:00

Maybe focusing on topics when you have the recorses is an idea.

07:31

Sometimes you accapt that it is a problem, and you can do nothing about it.

08:52

Instructions on how to and not to Piss people off

10:53

The internet is the perfect place to prove yourself correct, And so time effecent, Several hours of free time that could otherwise be spent doing useful things…like laundry

19:07

There comes a point where someone needs to say STFU, GBTW – and that point is when productivity decreases significantly for no good progress.

19:40

Our elders are dieing and their wisdom along with our history is dieing with them. We need to get their wisdom documented or recorded. Peter Dybings project

22:38

Political rant here

22:44

Random political tangent here

25:12

People tend to do this, when they lack substance for attack

27:37

We’re going to replace the Asses board with a more productive “Problems Pagans Face” list. PCP has been amazing at getting things fixed even if really really indirectly – imagine what we can do if we focus on this.

27:53

Kelly Maize

30:39

This isn’t so we dwell on negativity, this is so we know where to focus our efforts rather than petty crap. Petty crap includes: So-and-so did such-and-such that doesn’t directly impact me Arguing definitions and semantics outside of academic conversation , Pontification , Figuring out what label goes on whom

39:11

Consider spending some effort on what positive actions that have already happened to make them better

40:34

Dave is still listing petty crap…this could go on a while

41:40

Peter is considering a career change

42:23

Petty crap does not include: Exerting a level of disrespect the community should take as a lesson to never exert themselves. Stuff that happens far away that does practically impact me (e.g. 9th circuit ruling in CA). Understanding and documenting our history

44:46

Win?

47:27

Why relegate assets to the Pagan community to some list on our website. Instead, people doing good stuff should be on the show. We should see to it we give these people at least 60 minutes of fame for being awesome

48:13

Amber notes: We forget that our leaders are still people.

48:25

Scurv has this thing about shareing gay furry porn…..ahem

51:44

YOU! Do Good Shit! A Pagan elder once told me that Pagans feel they need permission to do things. Don’t ask for permission – you don’t need our blessing to do something good! If something needs to be done, do it. The worst you can possibly do is make all of us look like idiots, so uhm… don’t do that . But still try

52:41

Many people have great ideas but don’t even try

53:23

Voices: They are made more equle by how much you do, Not just by your presence

Credits

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Season 22 Credits:

211: Tonight! Pagans

Ashlee — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:03:53 +0000

Tonight we talk about "Pagans Tonight" along with other unruly topics that are both related and unrelated to the original topic at the same time!

Regular Hosts:

Amber of Red Tail Arts, Ashlee, Branden of Pagan Men, Dave of Proud Pagan Podcasters, Joe of Pagan Roadtrip, Sam

Guest Hosts:

Barrett of Pagan Men, Miles who wrote Teaching Witchcraft: A Guide for Teachers and Students of the Old Religion, Snooze of Portable Weirdness, Star Foster of Patheos.com

00:11

Temple of the River disbanding in 60 seconds or less

00:56

Let's talk about pagans…tonight

01:04

The Pagan's Tonight show has an incresing similarity to our topic list, like their obscure topics like otherkin.

01:26

After analyzing all the episodes, we've found 5 topics after going through over 500 episodes of theirs

02:23

We go over how our stuff is creative commons…but we also release it under the attributions liscence. So if you use our stuff…give us credit!

03:06

Proms to Lamyka's Wiccan Podcast!

03:22

Topic One: What superstitions do you have?

04:40

There's a difference between omens and superstitions…so let's find a definition!

05:58

Maybe the definition comes from whether something is interacting with you vs. looking for outside influences to tell you how to act or what to do.

07:22

It's just meant to be.

07:30

Superstition boils down to spiritual OCD

07:51

Topic Two: Books of Shadow

10:09

Topic Three: Mexican Magik…but we don't have any Mexicans….

11:17

There's a lot of Aztec heritage down in Mexico, so it makes sense for it not to be a forign idea to them

11:36

Why do we think the "most advanced" group are the ones that are the hardest to convince that magic things are real.

11:54

Dave brings up T.Thorn Coyle's podcast that touches on the Hindu's and how they find it a powerful image to see sucessful americans that embrace the Hindu pracitces

12:57

We fit into a 12 step program???

13:25

Topic Four: Why wear pagan jewelry?

14:25

Let's expand it: Any kind of religious jewelry like Mojo bags or talismans

16:16

Topic Five: Secrets…

18:51

Slight tangent, there is material out there that can permenantly scar you if you know before you're ready. It's information that once you know…you can't unknow

19:28

Amanda Eve talks about how she wants to be a teacher, and asks about a pagan based school that's K-12

21:24

If Amanda makes a school…we have the problem of populating it

21:50

Pagans Tonight was summerized in about 20 minutes. Onto Scurvy's rant pile!

22:09

Somehow we turn from rant to Scurvy's RV discussion. What's this about it being run on motor oil????

23:54

Scurvy's first topic on his rant list: Be Honest, Be Clear, and Be In a Position to offer feedback

24:35

Scurvy's Rant Topic Two: Gossip in the News, and how to handle people gossiping

25:25

Most people have a problem listening

25:58

Scurvy gives an example of bad gossip

26:23

Amber goes over how there's a fine line between giving info to protect someone else and just being over sensitive and muddying someone's name because you're being an ass

28:02

Dave asks Barrett about the Asatru regulations on not just spewing other people's information

28:36

Scurvy goes over how everyone has bad days and why that's relevant

29:24

Even if you're having a bad day, you're still responsible for your actions

31:01

Amanda talks about how other people hate when other people succeed when they're not able to. Ashlee has lived through that mistake and gives and example.

31:31

Scurvy brings up another example

31:31

Scurvy brings up another example

32:30

Amber brings up that once people look up to another person, all the flaws that BNP has are exaggerated because they're supposed to be our leaders

32:57

Scurvy reviews excellence between rulers and common people back in the feudal system

34:18

Amanda brings up that just because you're not a wisened sage…does not mean that you don't have knowledge on a certain subject

34:51

Sometimes it has more to do with understanding as an adult rather than who's a BNP or who has the right to criticize

35:31

Dave says that in Wicca…it doesn't matter how high you are…you are always subject to questioning

36:14

There seems to be this weird idea that when you hit this mysterious age…you stop learning and you become a wise sage. Which is just silliness

37:08

The phrase is respect your elders…not respect old people

38:11

Why do we have to know everything? The best conversations are when we learn from other people.

39:01

There's not a whole lot of money in the pagan community, so most of us have day jobs. But there's a whole lot to talk about here…so we're gonna call it a night and save that for another episode!

Credits

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Season 22 Credits:

210: Defense Against the Dark

Dave — Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:00:16 +0000

Writer and PCP listener Emily Carlin joins us for the hour to discuss her book on identifying and dealing with ghosts and non-Human entities. We also recap some of the metaphysical techniques demonstrated in part two of the book. Her book, “Defense Against the Dark” is available at most major book retailers.

Regular Hosts:

Amber of Red Tail Arts, Dave of Proud Pagan Podcasters, Joe of Pagan Roadtrip, Sam

Guest Hosts:

Emily Carlin, writer of Defense Against the Dark

Show notes are coming eventually…

Credits

Post-produced by: Scurvy
List of resources used or mentioned:
PCP is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 US License.
Season 22 Credits:

209: Working with Non-Human Entities

Dave — Sun, 14 Aug 2011 00:00:11 +0000

There are Gods, there are ghosts, but what about working with the other Non-Human entities that are out there? Also, why do Pagans not talk about this stuff more often?

Regular Hosts:

Amber of Red Tail Arts, Ashlee, Branden of Pagan Men, Dave of Proud Pagan Podcasters, Joe of Pagan Roadtrip, Sam

Guest Hosts:

Barrett of Pagan Men, Miles who wrote Teaching Witchcraft: A Guide for Teachers and Students of the Old Religion, Snooze of Portable Weirdness, Star Foster of Patheos.com

01:35

Lets Talk Metaphysics

01:47

Why are Pagans tight-lipped about metaphysics

02:01

Fear of inadequacy

02:12

FYI Harry Potter is not metaphysics

02:43

Pagans dont know everything

03:32

Finding the middle ground

04:17

Metaphysics is kind of like being a furry

05:36

Scurvy does an experiment

06:26

Communication is most effective with a common frame of reference

07:21

Using the agree system

07:59

Atheist with feelings

08:38

Can you feel it? Guts!

09:15

Returning to basics

10:51

The push for extreme spiritual experiences

11:22

Metaphysics is singular

12:22

Building Bridges

13:15

What is a non-human entity?

14:10

Star’s Leprechaun

15:17

Folklore

16:13

Native Lore

17:10

Interdimensional entities

17:58

Communicating intentions

19:14

Finding alternative spirituality

19:45

Opening the floodgates

20:56

Be excellent to each other

21:31

The negative side

22:36

Go and do my bidding!!!

23:28

Like working with wildlife

23:59

Dave saves ducks

24:49

The skunk principle

25:26

Respect

26:10

We all need help

26:57

Becoming intimidated

27:48

Geographic entities

29:30

Being a beacon

30:30

Building spirits

33:08

Summoning aliens

34:10

False positives

35:26

Going into overdrive

36:14

Tonights homework

37:28

FSM

38:11

Opening up

38:48

Symbiosis

41:30

Working with the fae

42:57

Over exaggerating the positive

43:38

Being negative is O.K

44:35

Reiki is the devil

45:18

Positivity police

46:52

47:54

Bad isn’t always bad

50:08

Inner demons

51:32

You will make mistakes

52:42

Scurv advises caution

53:51

Sometimes there is no choice

55:38

Paradigme shift

57:04

Patterns

58:23

Pooh

1:00:20

Entites and ritual

1:03:04

Wiccans use non-human entities all the time

1:06:15

Formal and casual

1:07:39

I want to reach out and grab you

1:09:08

Consequences

1:12:09

Finds others

1:14:25

WTF is a “white”

1:16:43

Pro GBH

Credits

Post-produced by: Sam
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PCP is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 US License.
Season 21 Credits:

208: Karina Young and The Well and Spindle

Dave — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 00:00:30 +0000

Through the grapevine, Amber had come to know this interesting person that ran a store that meshed Asatru with Hoodoo called The Well and Spindle. Karina sells very high quality merchandise and seemed interesting so we decided to have her on the show.

Regular Hosts:

Amber of Red Tail Arts, Branden, Dave of Proud Pagan Podcasters, Joe of Pagan Roadtrip, Sam

Guest Hosts:

Barrett of Pagan Men, Miles Batty – author of Teaching Witchcraft: A Guide for Teachers and Students of the Old Religion, Karina Young of The Well and Spindle, Saturn

01:16

Typical meet and greet with Karina Young

01:34

Karina's site description is "A little bit heathen and a little bit hoodoo, and she elaborates.

01:58

What came first, heathenry or hoodoo?

02:54

Does the heathen practices and the hoodoo practices work well together or do you have to keep them seperate.

04:27

Have you caught any slack from the Heathen or Hoodoo community members for mixing the two practices together?

05:09

Karina touches on how some Hoodoo recipies take very specific recipies to go off of that cannot be mixed around.

06:01

Have you been raised in an alternative spirituality and how have they accepted your choices?

07:55

You mentioned that your family asks you questions, is it out of curiosity or becaues they want to learn what you do?

08:50

Barrett asks Karina what kind of things that she makes, there's a whole list of awesome stuff!

09:52

Do you ever use runes in your items being you have a Heathen base?

10:32

10:51

So what were some of the first things that you've made?

11:55

Chat Room Comment: You mentioned earlier that you only view herbs to stay for a year, can you explain why?

13:19

Where did you learn to make all of these amazing things?

13:36

Karina explains some of the personal process in making oils and how she makes some of her mixture with her intuition and knowledge

14:33

What do you find yourself making the most of or using the most?

14:53

Karina talks about using mint vs. rosemary as a go-to filler herb

15:56

Chat Room Comment: Where do you get your supplies from?

16:16

One of Karina's main herb sites when she can't find it in her garden is HTTP://WWW.ROSEMOUNTAINHERBS.COM

17:01

Amber gives a review on some of the oils that she purchased from Karina's Etsy; Well and Spindle

18:13

Amber and Karina go over the Frau Holda oil

19:00

Do you get a lot of feedback from your Etsy site?

19:35

Karina explains how face to face feedback differs from feedback from the Etsy shop

20:13

Chat Room Comment: Any books that you recomend about Hoodoo? Hoodoo Herb and Root Magic: A Materia Magica of African-American Conjure by Catherine Yronwode

20:55

Jambalaya: The Natural Woman's Book of Personal Charms and Practical Rituals by Luisah Teish

20:58

Ray T. Malbrough

21:21

LuckyMojo.com

21:27

A Century of Spells by Draja Mickaharic (all books by her are good); Rootwork: Using the Folk Magick of Black America for Love, Money and Success by Tayannah Lee McQuillar; Jambalaya: The Natural Woman's Book of Personal Charms and Practical Rituals by Luisah Teish; Futhark: A Handbook of Rune Magic by Edred Thorsson; Signs, Cures, and Witchery: German Appalachian Folklore by Gerald C. Milnes (German Appalachian Folk Magic) ; Our Troth: History and Lore Our Troth: History and Lore by Kveldulf Gundarsson; Runelore: A Handbook of Esoteric Runology by Edred Thorsson; Legends of incense, herb and oil magic: Esoteric students' handbook of legendary formulas and facts by Lewis De Claremont; The Red Church or The Art of Pennsylvania German Braucherei by C. R. Bilardi; Hoodoo Herb and Root Magic: A Materia Magica of African-American Conjure by Catherine Yronwode; Hildur, Queen of the Elves: And Other Icelandic Folk Tales (International Folk Tales) by J. M. Bedell, Terry Gunnell; Elves, Wights, and Trolls: Studies Towards the Practice of Germanic Heathenry: Vol. I (v. 1) by Kveldulf Gundarsson; A Modern Herbal (Volume 2, I-Z and Indexes) A Modern Herbal (Volume 2, I-Z and Indexes) by Margaret Grieve; A Modern Herbal (Volume 1, A-H): The Medicinal, Culinary, Cosmetic and Economic Properties, Cultivation and Folk-Lore of Herbs, Grasses, Fungi, Shrubs by Margaret Grieve; The Way of Wyrd by Brian Bates; Hedge-Rider: Witches and the Underworld by Eric De Vries; The Master Book of Herbalism by Paul Beyerl

21:40

All Karina's recommendations will be placed on our amazon listing as well

21:45

Not Recommended: Sticks, Stones, Roots & Bones: Hoodoo, Mojo & Conjuring with Herbs by Stephanie Rose Bird

21:56

Where do you see yourself going with your business?

22:27

Karina's looking for someone to help her make an awesome website, any volunteers?

23:17

Miles goes over some Hoodoo with Karina

23:45

The Voodoo Hoodoo Spellbook by Denise Alvarado

24:18

Rootwork: Using the Folk Magick of Black America for Love, Money and Success by Tayannah Lee McQuillar

24:46

What, in your definition, is the difference between Voodoo and Hoodoo?

24:46

What, in your definition, is the difference between Voodoo and Hoodoo?

26:22

Miles explains how he can see similarities between Voodoo and Heathen practices

26:55

Karina explains a bit further on how Hoodoo works with outher faith practices

27:17

How do you combine, if you can, Hoodoo crafting with Heathenry practice?

28:45

Chat Room Comment: How do you not cross contaminate energy when you're making a lot of different projects for people?

29:48

Karina talks about why she doesn't feel there's residual energy looming around like imps waiting to attack new products

30:49

Miles goes over Heathenry library

30:57

Edred Thorsson

31:00

Kveldulf Gundarsson

31:14

Read Our Troth!

31:41

Elves, Wights, and Trolls: Studies Towards the Practice of Germanic Heathenry: Vol. I (v. 1) by Kveldulf Gundarsson

31:51

Our Troth: History and Lore Our Troth: History and Lore by Kveldulf Gundarsson

32:57

Essential Asatru: Walking the Path of Norse Paganism by Diana L. Paxson and Isaac Bonewits

33:56

Karina talks about her YouTube channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/TheWellAndSpindle and how she used it to get over her social anxiety

36:41

So what came first? YouTube videos or classes at home?

38:02

On the Proud Pagan Podcasters site, we have a lot of articles of help on editing videos!

38:48

Chat Room Comment: Lavakitty wants to volunteer help for website design!

38:57

Miles askes: Hey baby what's your sign?

40:49

Is there another significant other in your life? And what do they practice if you do?

41:20

Relatoinships just not a priority for you with what's going on in your life?

41:56

Scurvy and Karina talk about how usually when you find cool people they're halfway across the country.

42:21

Do you do any custom work for people and how did it go?

44:12

Amber lets Karina know that we have sympathy for her empathy, becaue most of us are too

45:35

Branden, Amber, and Karina talk about how empathy goes while getting used to people and how it effects you

46:45

Have you had any experiences that have kind of made you think about leaving the path that you're on?

48:35

Have you had any really striking experiences that have confirmed that this is the path you're supposed to be on?

49:46

Life is a Journey…not a Destination. Miles and Karina briefly go over that idea.

51:23

Have you used any animal parts in you Hoodoo work?

53:07

You mentioned your own garden earlier, how does your garden grow?

55:10

How much do you work with food and recipies with ingestibales?

56:27

Miles and Amber comiserate with Karina about temperature in the summer

57:08

Maybe we should just make Pennsylvania our national prison? I think it's a good idea.

57:44

Miles once saw something really funny in Pennsylvania…at it wasn't a family tree that forked.

58:20

Is there anything you made that you were surprised with the potency of?

1:00:26

Is there anything that you've made recently that you've impressed yourself with, almost unbelievable that you've made that level of awesome?

1:02:35

Branden askes if Karina has ever had something that works too well, so you don't feel comfortable giving or selling it

1:03:32

What, if anything do you make for people's pets?

1:04:28

Have you vended at any pagan events so far, and do you have any plans to do it in the future?

1:05:02

Karina expresses concerns with her simple vs glitter laden lables and pretty packaging. We give her a huge ammount of kudos for not having overly "pretty" lables

1:07:20

Most pagans understand you can't judge a book by its cover, so we understand that you can find amazing things under plain lables.

1:07:56

Branden reminesses of the fairy wings and glitter at the CNCPPD

1:08:27

Barrett asks if Karina has any patron god from the Heathen aspect?

1:09:19

Karina talks about her SCA persona and her Heathen relation

1:10:26

If we were to walk into your house, how much clue would we have that you're a Heathen Hoodoo person?

1:12:19

We all start talking about gnomes, whether they're French or German…and stealing them from yards

1:13:25

So if you were to say you have a totem animal, what would it be?

1:13:40

Sorgitzak: Old Forest Craft by Veronica Cummer

1:15:16

Miles asks what Realm of the Dead Goat's Milk Soap is…I think we all misread it to start as if it's a soap for Realm of the Dead Goat…rather that Goat Milk Soap for the Realm of the Dead ritual

1:16:24

Zombie Goats!

1:17:00

Karina wanted to throw in about her Raven's Call order for SCA and gives some plugs!!!

1:17:42

Scurvy laments how she's on the West Coast

1:17:51

Viking helmets didn't have horns on them!

1:18:09

Oh…wait…Barrett was referring to drinking horn. Good one Barrett!!!

1:18:42

Karina's captain of her house does some awesome horn work. Check out her Etsy site Well and Spindle for updates!

1:19:09

Miles and Karina talk about Pensick wars in Pennsylvania

Credits

Post-produced by: Amber
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207: NaturePunk

Dave — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 00:00:02 +0000

A while ago Amber was hearing about a controversy in the Native American community about a non-native selling head dresses. Investigating further, Amber came to know the owner of the NaturePunk shop, Sarah, and came to realize a lot of people had their panties in a bunch over seemingly nothing. We explore the products of NaturePunk and the silly controversy surrounding Sarah’s offerings.

Regular Hosts:

Amber of Red Tail Arts, Dave of Proud Pagan Podcasters, Sam

Guest Hosts:

Barrett of Pagan Men, Cara Schultz of PNC Minnesota, Miles Batty – author of Teaching Witchcraft: A Guide for Teachers and Students of the Old Religion, Peter Dybing of the Covenant of the Goddess, NRia of Anonymous, Sarah of NaturePunk

01:20

Typical introduction, Where are you and what do you do?

01:35

Where did the inspiration to work with animal parts come from?

02:25

How long have you been selling things in your NaturePunk shop?

02:35

Any favorite animals or types of designs that you work with?

03:04

Chatroom comment: What do you mean “recycled animal parts”?

03:35

Sarah had said that working with animals is part of her path, Amber asks her to elaborate

04:31

Any negative feedback from the pagan community from working with the animal parts? Not so much…however the native community can throw a bit of a fit

05:14

Some people will find a problem with anything if given the chance. A lot of it comes down to what the animal spirit wants.

06:09

Have you had any experiences that accentuate the statement “we’re not crafters, we’re a taxi service to get things where they need to go”?

08:06

Sarah goes over the hate mail that brought her together with Amber and PCP

08:59

Sarah shares her very impressive reply to the hate mail she’s recieved.

10:25

Cara gives Sarah props for her reply and how it relates to her stance and view point

10:58

Have you had any positive responses after you’ve replied to some of these people? Yes!

11:55

Can you go into where you get some of your parts from?

13:31

Snooze wants to move to Oregon. They start talking about picking up roadkill and the regulations of the states to be able to do it.

14:01

In some states, call the Fish and Game Department and ask about a Scavengers Permit. Unless you’re in central NC, they’re amazing things that allow you to pick up roadkill.

14:59

Cara starts a discussion about eating roadkill

15:45

The discussion starts about freshness of roadkill in response to the idea of eating or recycling.

16:36

Sam asks if Sarah and Snooze have any tips for scavenging parts and how to work with it.

17:15

Sarah gives tips for cleaning bones: No bleach, use hydrogen peroxide, water and Dawn dish soap

17:38

Sam asks about preserving furs and skins, and how to protect it…or if you can

18:38

Snooze gives a tip for the smell…a bottle of pure, real, vanilla extract

19:58

Chatroom comment: Have you ever had anyone ask you to prove that they were dead before you started working with it?

20:56

Snooze asks if Sarah has any tips for soft tissue removal from bones.

21:31

Sarah recommends domestid beetles.

22:34

To keep from starving the beetles when you’re not working on pieces. Try getting bones from the local butchers!

24:04

Sarah talks about just making a decay cage to attract bugs that eat the remains.

24:26

Miles and Snooze talk about their decay cages that are in their yard and a bit of their personal experiences

27:19

Sarah talks about her decay cages made with chicken wire, half buried, and a wonderful natural patina on the bones afterwards.

28:21

Sam talk about hiding bones in a stack of towels, especially in your mother’s linen closet.

29:12

Miles asks about her favorite OMG freak out the neighbors horror story. Sarah tells about trying to preserve a bird in the Cayman Islands.

30:24

Sam said when she was little she collected little pieces of bone and teeth, and asks Sarah if she’s ever done the same thing when she was young.

31:04

NRia asks what was the first project Sarah worked on

31:45

Do you find that you cycle through different tails when you wear them or stick to the same animal?

32:02

You said you lived in the dorms, what are you studying?

32:19

It’s only her first year of school…and she refers to it as if it’s a prison sentence.

32:19

It’s only her first year of school…and she refers to it as if it’s a prison sentence.

32:50

Have you ever gotten something that is difficult for you to work with?

33:45

Sarah gives another example of a difficult situation that turned out to be really positive

34:57

Chatroom comment: Do you gives names to all your inventory items?

35:32

Miles shares some person experience with some animal spirits he’s picked up along the way

37:02

Keep in mind most of us do a lot of putting it into simplier terms, we don’t really think that the animal spirits communicate in people words.

37:39

Sarah and Snooze talks about turkey vultures

38:17

Snooze talks about her UPG from the band Rush, and the song Totem. She feels that it attracts Wights, she asks Sarah to verify it if she gets a chance.

39:52

Miles explains what a UPG is

41:04

Miles asks what’s the smallest animal that she’s worked with, and how did she preserve bones that are so teeny tiny.

42:59

Lamyka has a question if Sarah has ever done work with people’s pets

43:30

Sam brings up the idea of spinning hair and making it into jewelry or wall hangings.

43:57

Sam talks about doing memorial paintings using remains from the person that has passed mixed with a type of glue.

44:59

Sam and Sarah talk about trying to preserve older pieces and making them look better or using them in a different way.

47:24

What was your first pet?

48:02

What do you do when you’re not working with all the dead animals?

48:26

Sarah shares with an opportunity to shoot photography at a zoo in Oregon!

48:54

If we’re looking for you work…where do we send them

48:59

http://www.flickr.com/littlelioness09

49:13

How do you explain to little kids what you do?

50:01

Has your family generally been pretty accepting of what you do?

50:34

Dave talks about how the idea of knowing that something has dies ethically is important, and asks Sarah how she deals with that.

51:41

Amber asks about the CITES

52:39

CITES means they can be exported anywhere in the US, but that does not mean it can be shipped over seas

52:53

Chatroom comment: Maybe you can take a roadkill photo for before and after so we can see the process at work

53:24

Snooze talks about the importance of documentation when it comes to roadkill

54:41

Sarah talks about how picking up roadkill has gone for her when she’s with friends and how her documentation goes.

55:34

Sarah talks about how it’s hard for some people to really understand the idea of working with dead stuff.

56:07

Snooze talks about the unhealthy treatment of death in Western culture

56:45

Sarah shares an art concentration of Momento Mori project

57:14

Snooze talks about the view of people when it comes to wild animals or things outside if the norm

58:21

Sarah talks about her realizations that happened when she went through college roomates while doing her animal part work.

59:03

Sarah says people are just not used to living around death. She may live around death, but that doesn’t mean that she’s overly depressed or crying in a corner.

59:19

Amber talks about how Branden has a knive with a bone handle and the reaction of other people when they realize that it’s actually bone

59:46

It can be funny that people freak out when Sarah wears a tail, but they still wear leather shoes

59:59

Snooze feels that if it’s far enough removed, people just stop understanding. Like the idea of not understanding why people hunt deer.

1:00:32

Brandon is against hunting for fun, food is okay though.

1:00:56

Snooze talks about how disrespectful and how arrogant it is to just hunt for trophies. She shares a story about a friend that processes deer meat for hunters, his standards, and his mounts.

1:02:27

Sarah talks about friends she stayed with in Wyoming and how all the meat she ate was caught by her friend’s husband

1:03:20

Brandon says hunting will be a sport, when the animals can fire back. Snooze talks about how deer are armed with antlers and how they charge just about anything…even a spool of cable or a car

1:04:49

Sarah talks about the damage an elk has done to a little car

1:05:05

If you could, what would you like to happen to your flesh and bones when you’re dead?

1:05:33

Snooze and Dave talks about Nora Cedarwind who is a death midwife. We’ll hopefully have her on the show in the future!

1:06:02

Do you have any plans to possibly vend at festivals?

1:06:50

Snooze and Miles think Sarah would do really well and PSG, and Snooze explains why

1:07:25

Amber talks about some of her experience when vending, and when you notice when you have a piece that voices where it wants to go

1:08:12

Sarah talks about how you don’t have to worry about face to face confrontation while you’re working through the internet, but she still wants to work with it.

1:08:55

Miles and Snooze want to go to Oregon, especially when Sarah starts talking about the idea of eco-friendly. They feel that in NC, there’s a lot of people loathing the hippy movement and taking it out on anyone who make an effort to protect the earth.

1:09:45

Remember kids, it’s against Christ to recycle.

1:11:37

Sarah talks about her Christian school experience in the Cayman Islands and how Frank Sinatra is in Hell while Ted Bundy is in heaven

1:12:10

What’s the most common complaint or misconseption when working with the animal parts?

1:13:20

Sarah shares an experience with a tiger tooth and how she had to deal with the law and reports against her.

1:14:17

Snooze and Sarah share stories on trying to find “professionals” that are suppposed to know the law; and how they all have different answers.

1:15:22

What law was passed in 1947?

Credits

Post-produced by: Amber
List of resources used or mentioned:
- Little Lioness’ photostream (Flickr)
- NaturePunk
PCP is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 US License.
Season 21 Credits: