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		<title>God&#8217;s 76th Killing: God killed a couple hundred thousand people because David did a census that God told him to do</title>
		<link>http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/02/gods-76th-killing-god-kills-couple.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 06:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve Wells</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is not an easy one to explain, but I'll give it a try.

It all starts with God telling David to do a census, you know like the one the U.S. Constitution requires us to do this year. 

And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not an easy one to explain, but I'll give it a try.

</p><p><a href="http://thebricktestament.com/king_david/god_kills_70000_israelites/2s24_01p1ch21_01.html"><img src="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/images/2sam24_1.jpg" align="right" title="Brick Testament: God Kills 70,000 Israelites"/></a>It all starts with God telling David to do a census, you know like the one <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Census">the U.S. Constitution requires us to do this year</a>. 

<blockquote>And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/2sam/24.html#1">2 Samuel 24:1</a></blockquote>

</p><p>Or was it Satan that asked David to do the census, as it says in <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1chr/21.html#1">1 Chronicles 21:1</a>?

<blockquote>And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1chr/21.html#1">1 Chronicles 21:1</a></blockquote>

</p><p>Oh well, maybe it was both. In any case, David sent Joab out to take the census, and after 9 months and 20 days, Joab came back with the results: there were 800,000 sword-yielding men in Israel and 500,000 in Judah. 

<blockquote>So when they had gone through all the land, they came to Jerusalem at the end of nine months and twenty days. And Joab gave up the sum of the number of the people unto the king: and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men that drew the sword; and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/2sam/24.html#9">2 Samuel 24:9</a></blockquote>

</p><p>Or was it was 1,100,000 and 470,000 men in Israel and Judah, as it says in <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1chr/21.html#5">1 Chronicles 21:5</a>?

<blockquote>And Joab gave the sum of the number of the people unto David. And all they of Israel were a thousand thousand and an hundred thousand men that drew sword: and Judah was four hundred threescore and ten thousand men that drew sword. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1chr/21.html#5">1 Chronicles 21:5</a></blockquote> 

</p><p>Whichever it may have been, either is comparable to <a href="http://www.defense.gov/pubs/almanac/almanac/at_a_glance.html">the number of active duty soldiers in the U.S. military today</a>. Not bad for small tribal kingdom in 1000 BCE! 

</p><p>After the census, David decided that he has done something wrong, which is weird since he had only taken a census that God told him to take.  

<blockquote>And David's heart smote him after that he had numbered the people. And David said unto the LORD, I have sinned greatly in that I have done. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/2sam/24.html#10">2 Samuel 24:10</a></blockquote>

</p><p>And God was pissed off, too, at least that's what the prophet Gad told him. Gad said God offered him three choices:

<ol>
<li>Seven years of famine (or <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1chr/21.html#5">three years if you believe the story in 1 Chronicles 11</a>),
<p><li>Three months of losing battles,
<p><li>Or Three days of pestilence.
</li></p></li></p></li></ol>

<blockquote>For when David was up in the morning, the word of the LORD came unto the prophet Gad ... saying ... Thus saith the LORD, I offer thee three things; choose thee one of them, that I may do it unto thee. ... Shall seven years of famine come unto thee in thy land? or wilt thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue thee? or that there be three days' pestilence in thy land? <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/2sam/24.html#11">2 Samuel 24:11-13</a></blockquote>

</p><p>David couldn't decide, so God decided for him. God chose the three days of pestilence, thereby killing 70,000 men, which would mean at least a couple hundred thousand people (only men count to God).

<blockquote>So the LORD sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning even to the time appointed: and there died of the people from Dan even to Beersheba seventy thousand men. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/2sam/24.html#15">2 Samuel 24:15</a></blockquote>

</p><p>But God was still pissed off, even after he finished killing a couple hundred thousand people in the pestilence that he chose as David's punishment for doing the census that he asked him to do. So he sent an angel to destroy the city of Jerusalem.  But then God "repented  him of the evil" that he intended to do and told the angel to stop. 

</p><p>(OK, I know. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ezek/24.html#14">God doesn't repent</a>, so when the Bible said that God "repented of the evil" that he intended to do, it meant something else entirely.)

<blockquote>And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD repented  him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/2sam/24.html#16">2 Samuel 24:16</a></blockquote>

</p><p>When David saw the angel that was still killing people, he said, "I've sinned, but what have these people done?" A good question, that God, of course, completely ignores.

<blockquote>And David spake unto the LORD when he saw the angel that smote the people, and said, Lo, I have sinned, and I have done wickedly: but these sheep, what have they done? <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/2sam/24.html#17">2 Samuel 24:17</a></blockquote>

</p><p>Finally, Gad tells David to buy some land, make an altar, and kill some animals for God to get him to quit killing people. So David buys some land for 50 shekels of silver (or <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1chr/21.html#25">600 shekels of gold if you believe the story in 1 Chronicles 21</a>), sets up an altar, and kills some animals for God.

</p><p>And God finally stopped killing people.

<blockquote>And Gad came that day to David, and said unto him, Go up, rear an altar unto the LORD in the threshingfloor of Araunah the Jebusite ... So David bought the threshingfloor and the oxen for fifty shekels of silver. And David built there an altar unto the LORD, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings. So the LORD was intreated for the land, and the plague was stayed from Israel.  <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/2sam/24.html#17">2 Samuel 24:17-25</a></blockquote>

</p><p>So it all worked out fine, and God said to himself, as <a href="http://thebricktestament.com/king_david/god_kills_70000_israelites/2s24_25b.html">the Brick Testament suggests</a>, "This worked out well. Killing 200,000 Israelites but not harming David will teach him not to take a census when I tell him to take a census."<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/26149572-3293826610330995329?l=dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /></div></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Because I’m Worth It</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s kind of sad and pathetic how far I&#8217;ve fallen, I realized this weekend. I didn&#8217;t even feel like a person anymore; just a zombie wandering around trying to function through the fog of my mind. I realized how I&#8217;ve been doing the bare minimum on life, and I was tired of it and ready [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s kind of sad and pathetic how far I&#8217;ve fallen, I realized this weekend. I didn&#8217;t even feel like a person anymore; just a zombie wandering around trying to function through the fog of my mind. I realized how I&#8217;ve been doing the bare minimum on life, and I was tired of it and ready for a change.</p>
<p>In case you haven&#8217;t noticed, I&#8217;m quite a fan of lists and plans. So what do you suppose I did first? Yep, I made a master list of everything that I could change that I wanted to change. I tried to picture how I wanted my life to look, and jotted down everything I could think of that I could do <em>right now</em> to get me there. I decided to pick two things per week to work on. This week is insomnia and cleaning up my house. It&#8217;s not dirty and doesn&#8217;t smell bad, but it is a very cluttered wreck. While those things are going to be my focus, I still want to try to do some of the other things on my list. I&#8217;m just not going to worry about it if I don&#8217;t manage to accomplish those things.</p>
<p>So this morning, I got up and exercised, then took a shower. And it&#8217;s really telling just how bad things are when I had to walk myself through a basic routine. I chanted &#8220;I&#8217;m going to do X because I&#8217;m worth it&#8221; through everything I didn&#8217;t particularly feel like doing: flossing my teeth instead of just brushing them, actually fixing my hair rather than throwing it back in a ponytail, putting on a little bit of makeup, putting on lotion, and adding a splash of perfume. Wow. That&#8217;s pretty sad, especially now that I see it written. The plus side is that I do feel a little bit more like a human being instead of a zombie! Before, it was usually take a shower, brush teeth, throw on deodorant, maybe fix my hair if I had somewhere to go and felt like it (I do always at least brush it and put it up in a ponytail!), throw on some ratty jeans and a t-shirt/sweatshirt, and I&#8217;m out the door. Not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with not wearing makeup or just doing the essentials if that&#8217;s who you are and it works for you. I&#8217;m noticing that I&#8217;ve let the little things go entirely, and I just don&#8217;t even feel like a person anymore, so that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m personally working on. It&#8217;s like I&#8217;ve just kind of not felt like I<em> deserve</em> to treat myself with love and respect over the last couple of years, and I&#8217;m surprised at how much I have to push myself to do these few things.</p>
<p>But I am doing it and I am already feeling better, clearer. Yay!  Now to just work on feeling not pathetic for feeling like this is a victory! <img src='http://www.redheadedskeptic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>


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		<title>Turkish girl, 16, buried alive for talking to boys</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Disgusting.
Turkish girl, 16, buried alive for talking to boys
Turkish police have recovered the body of a 16-year-old girl they say  was buried alive by relatives in an &#8220;honour&#8221; killing carried out as  punishment for talking to boys.
The girl, who has been identified  only by the initials MM, was found in a sitting [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disgusting.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/04/girl-buried-alive-turkey">Turkish girl, 16, buried alive for talking to boys</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Turkish police have recovered the body of a 16-year-old girl they say  was buried alive by relatives in an &#8220;honour&#8221; killing carried out as  punishment for talking to boys.</p>
<p>The girl, who has been identified  only by the initials MM, was found in a sitting position with her hands  tied, in a two-metre hole dug under a chicken pen outside her home in  Kahta, in the south-eastern province of Adiyaman.</p>
<p>Police made the  discovery in December after a tip-off from an informant, the Turkish  newspaper Hurriyet reported on its website.</p>
<p>The girl had  previously been reported missing.</p>
<p>The informant told the police  she had been killed following a family &#8220;council&#8221; meeting.</p>
<p>Her  father and grandfather are said to have been arrested and held in  custody pending trial. It is unclear whether they have been charged. The  girl&#8217;s mother was arrested but was later released.</p>
<p>Media reports  said the father had told relatives he was unhappy that his daughter –  one of nine children – had male friends. The grandfather is said to have  beaten her for having relations with the opposite sex.</p>
<p>A  postmortem examination revealed large amounts of soil in her lungs and  stomach, indicating that she had been alive and conscious while being  buried. Her body showed no signs of bruising.</p>
<p>The discovery will  reopen the emotive debate in <a title="More from  guardian.co.uk on Turkey" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/turkey">Turkey</a> about &#8220;honour&#8221; killings, which are  particularly prevalent in the impoverished south-east.</p>
<p>Official  figures have indicated that more than 200 such killings take place each  year, accounting for around half of all murders in Turkey.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Mr. Deity Tries To Find Time To Make Time</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Fincke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;ve seen such a well-scripted bit of comdy about metaphysics and cosmology before:

Your Thoughts?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<br /><p>I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;ve seen such a well-scripted bit of comdy about metaphysics and cosmology before:</p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://camelswithhammers.com/2010/02/08/mr-deity-tries-to-find-time-to-make-time/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/K2ujpzdeolA/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
<p>Your Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>No God, No Rules?</title>
		<link>http://thearmchairantichrist.com/2010/02/08/no-god-no-rules/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sometimes when you ask a religious person what would happen if they did not believe in God they will say that they would have no reason to act moral anymore. There would be no more objective morality for them. Everything would become subjective and relative to personal whims and desires. There would be no difference [...]


Related posts:<ol><li><a href='http://thearmchairantichrist.com/2010/01/25/you-are-your-own-god/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: You Are Your Own God'>You Are Your Own God</a></li>
<li><a href='http://thearmchairantichrist.com/2009/08/23/the-question-of-morality/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: The Question of Morality'>The Question of Morality</a></li>
<li><a href='http://thearmchairantichrist.com/2009/08/20/the-ten-commandments-and-morality/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: The Ten Commandments and Morality'>The Ten Commandments and Morality</a></li>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://thearmchairantichrist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/the_atheist.jpg"   ><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2483" title="the_atheist" src="http://thearmchairantichrist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/the_atheist-220x300.jpg" alt="" width="220" height="300" /></a>Sometimes when you ask a religious person what would happen if they did not believe in God they will say that they would have no reason to act moral anymore. There would be no more objective morality for them. Everything would become subjective and relative to personal whims and desires. There would be no difference between murder and dropping a stone. So, without God they would have no problem with rape, murder, theft, arson, adultery and all the things which they previously considered sinful. At face value this is completely ridiculous.</p>
<p>But, it makes perfect sense through Feuerbach&#8217;s work which I have talked about in <a href="http://thearmchairantichrist.com/2010/01/25/you-are-your-own-god/"   >You Are Your Own God</a>. Since God is human nature externalized and objectified, then denial of such a God would be a denial of human nature. It would be a denial of our Reason, Will and Affection. That would be like the removal of the ego and super-ego from one&#8217;s psyche, leaving only the id behind. Like the brute we would be ruled by our desires.</p>
<p>I hope I have made more sense out of religious idiocy. And hopefully through reason I will be able to continue to correct their mistakes.</p>


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		<title>“And It’s One Life And It’s This Life And It’s Beautiful”</title>
		<link>http://camelswithhammers.com/2010/02/08/and-its-one-life-and-its-this-life-and-its-beautiful/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#8217;s the key life affirming spirit from the teenaged Swedish sisters in the band First Aid Kit.  I&#8217;m not sure if or where they might make the big top 366 list but figured I&#8217;d pass on a great song in an atheist spirit to my godless readership.  The dissertation is completing steadily and I&#8217;ll be [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=camelswithhammers.com&#38;blog=8161085&#38;post=8717&#38;subd=camelswithhammers&#38;ref=&#38;feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<br /><p>That&#8217;s the key life affirming spirit from the teenaged Swedish sisters in the band First Aid Kit.  I&#8217;m not sure if or where they might make the big top 366 list but figured I&#8217;d pass on a great song in an atheist spirit to my godless readership.  The dissertation is completing steadily and I&#8217;ll be back to blogging about philosophy and atheist issues regularly again soon.</p>
<p>The song is called &#8220;Hard Believer&#8221;:</p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://camelswithhammers.com/2010/02/08/and-its-one-life-and-its-this-life-and-its-beautiful/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/DDG8xqz7BIk/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
<p>Your Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>Dutch poll needs a little help</title>
		<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/scienceblogs/pharyngula/~3/la6nRaTND1o/dutch_poll_needs_a_little_help.php</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class="lead">Dutch creationists have put up a foolish little poll &#8212; surprise them with a little adjustment.</p>

<blockquote class="creationist"><p><a href="http://www.dutchcreationscience.com/artikelen-biologie">Hoe is het leven op aarde ontstaan? (How did life arise on Earth?)</a></p>
<p>God schiep het leven in zes dagen (God created life in six days)
69.4%<br />
Door Evolutie (By Evolution)
20.7%<br />
Door Spontane Generatie (By Spontaneous Generation)
5%<br />
God stuurde de evolutie (By god-directed evolution)
4.1%<br />	
God schiep het leven in langere tijd (God created life some time)
0.8%<br />	
Er is een intelligente ontwerper maar onbekend wie (There is an unknown intelligent designer)
0%</p></blockquote>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="lead">Dutch creationists have put up a foolish little poll &mdash; surprise them with a little adjustment.</p>

<blockquote class="creationist"><p><a href="http://www.dutchcreationscience.com/artikelen-biologie">Hoe is het leven op aarde ontstaan? (How did life arise on Earth?)</a></p>
<p>God schiep het leven in zes dagen (God created life in six days)
69.4%<br />
Door Evolutie (By Evolution)
20.7%<br />
Door Spontane Generatie (By Spontaneous Generation)
5%<br />
God stuurde de evolutie (By god-directed evolution)
4.1%<br />	
God schiep het leven in langere tijd (God created life some time)
0.8%<br />	
Er is een intelligente ontwerper maar onbekend wie (There is an unknown intelligent designer)
0%</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Who Is Richard Shelby?</title>
		<link>http://theperplexedobserver.blogspot.com/2010/02/who-is-richard-shelby.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As an Alabamian, I’ve been familiar with Senator Shelby for many years now and I have never voted for him in all those years. I have written him on a number of occasions though; in fact, I’ve written him so often that I can pretty much predict what...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[As an Alabamian, I’ve been familiar with Senator Shelby for many years now and I have never voted for him in all those years. I have written him on a number of occasions though; in fact, I’ve written him so often that I can pretty much predict what his form letter response will be on any given issue. As you might guess, his support for the extremist religious right agenda as well as his love for the big oil and coal corporations often put the 'good' senator and I at odds.<br /><br />For instance back in 2005 Senator Shelby introduced the "<a href="http://www.credoaction.com/campaign/holds_shelby/?rc=homepage" >Constitution Restoration Act</a>", cosponsored by Senators Brownback and Burr which:<br /><blockquote><i>"...aims to reinforce states rights by clarifying that the Supreme Court and district courts do not have jurisdiction to hear cases brought against a federal, state or local government or officer for acknowledging God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government."</i></blockquote>Is it any wonder that <a href="http://www.au.org/" >Americans United</a> gave him a 0% rating on the church-state separation issue (0%- 20%: opposition to church-state separation)?<br /><br /><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/RichardShelbyXtra.jpg" /><br /><br />Since President Obama's inauguration , Senator Shelby has taken on a leading role as one of&nbsp; the GOP's top obstructionists opposing every idea the President has put forth.&nbsp;&nbsp; Most recently he put what basically amounts to a “blanket hold” on more than 70 Obama nominees for important positions including the federal judiciary and crucial cabinet agencies.<br /><br />In this particular case however, Sen. Shelby is not just obstructing for the sake of obstructing like most Republicans have been guilty of in recent months.   No, he actually 'seems' to have the best interest of us Alabamians in mind.  According to recent reports, Shelby is willing to lift his hold on the President’s appointees if the Senate will agree to award a $40 billion contract to have air-to-air refueling tankers built in Mobile, Alabama and fund a $45 million FBI lab outside Hunts Alabama.<br /><br />Personally I’m all for bringing more jobs to my state but I don’t think preventing more than 70 vital positions, “including high ranking military, intelligence and national security” positions from being filled is the correct way to go about it. I don't fault Senator Shelby for keeping the interest of "sweet home Alabama" in mind when legislating but he shouldn't sacrifice the interests of our nation while doing so.&nbsp; <br /><br />It’s wrong when politicians from other states to use extortion tactics like this to bring in the bacon and it’s wrong for Shelby to do so too.  That being said, Shelby would not be able to pull such a tactic if the Democratic Party and Harry Reid would grow a spine and <a href="http://www.credoaction.com/campaign/holds_shelby/?rc=homepage" >force the Republicans to filibuster each nominee</a> “one-by-one and deal with the very public consequences of their obstructionism.”<br /><br />If you think the Democrats need to stand up and fight on this issue, you can <a href="http://www.credoaction.com/campaign/holds_shelby/?rc=homepage" >sign this petition</a> to Senate Majority Leader Reid urging him to force the Republicans to filibuster.<br /><br />Just so you know, here are a few of the other <a href="http://www.issues2000.org/senate/Richard_Shelby.htm" >positions</a> Mr. Shelby has taken over the years which I have complained about to his office through letters and phone calls.<br /><ul><li><i>Voted YES on Strengthening of the trade embargo against Cuba. (Mar 1996) </i></li><li><i>Voted YES on $75M for abstinence education. (Jul 1996) </i></li><li><i>Voted YES on defunding renewable and solar energy. (Jun 1999) </i></li><li><i>Voted YES on increasing penalties for drug offenses. (Nov 1999) </i></li><li><i>Voted NO on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005)</i></li><li><i>Voted NO on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)</i></li><li><i>Voted NO on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005) </i></li><li><i>Voted YES on confirming John Roberts for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. (Sep 2005)</i></li><li><i>Voted YES on confirming Samuel Alito as Supreme Court Justice. (Jan 2006)</i></li><li><i>Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006) </i></li><li><i>Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007) </i></li></ul>Also consider this: <br /><ul><li><i>Rated 100% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record. (Dec 2003) </i></li><li><i>Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003) </i></li><li><i>Rated 17% by the CAF, indicating opposition to energy independence. (Dec 2006) </i></li><li><i>Amend Constitution to define traditional marriage. (Jun 2008) </i></li></ul><br /><b>Related Links:</b><br /><ul><li><a href="http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/republican-richard-shelp-puts-blanket-h" >Republican Sen. Richard Shelby puts a blanket hold on all of President Obama's nominees for profit</a></li><li><a href="http://www.benzworld.org/forums/off-topic/1499450-senators-projects-stall-obama-appointees-follow.html" >Senator's Projects Stall Obama Appointees Follow the Money: Sen. Richard Shelby Hold'</a></li><li><a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/02/sen_shelby_blocking_all_obama.html" >Sen. Richard Shelby blocking Obama nominees</a></li><li><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/08/opinion/08krugman.html" >America Is Not Yet Lost</a></li></ul><div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1698070785742912541-1811170511604971581?l=theperplexedobserver.blogspot.com' alt='' /></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Tolerance, pass it on</title>
		<link>http://mojoey.blogspot.com/2010/02/tolerance-pass-it-on.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ever hear of Lighthouse Evangelism pastor Rony Tan? No? Don’t be surprised when Singaporeans string him up for attacking the central tenets of Buddhism. Because in Singapore, you can’t criticize another's believes because they are assumed to be sac...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever hear of Lighthouse Evangelism pastor Rony Tan? No? Don’t be surprised when Singaporeans string him up for attacking the central tenets of Buddhism. Because in Singapore, you <a href="http://www.temasekreview.com/2010/02/07/hardwarezone-forumers-up-in-arms-over-pastor-rony-tans-comments-on-buddhism/" >can’t criticize another's believes</a> because they are assumed to be sacred. </p>  <blockquote>   <p><em>According to a report on Channel News Asia, ISD told Pastor Tan that in “preaching or proselytising his faith, he must not run down other religions, and must be mindful of the sensitivities of other religions” </em></p>    <p><em>The Ministry of Home Affairs gave a brief statement that Pastor Tan’s comments werer highly “inappropriate and unacceptable as they trivialised and insulted the beliefs of Buddhists and Taoists” which can also “give rise to tension and conflict between the Buddhist/Taoist and Christian communities.”</em></p> </blockquote>  <p>I like my freedom of speech. I find it disturbing when I encounter censorship and the protection of religion in other cultures.&#160; We must protect our rights.</p>  <div class="wlWriterEditableSmartContent" id="scid:0767317B-992E-4b12-91E0-4F059A8CECA8:6df721da-0096-4b48-9b19-c9970d0050c7" style="padding-right: 0px; display: inline; padding-left: 0px; float: none; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px; padding-top: 0px">Technorati Tags: <a href="http://technorati.com/tags/Censorship" rel="tag">Censorship</a>,<a href="http://technorati.com/tags/Hate+Speech" rel="tag">Hate Speech</a></div>  <div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6939571-2450510026962310345?l=mojoey.blogspot.com' alt='' /></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Pastor Humberto Cruz convicted</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My first email of this fine clear Monday contained a description of one Humberto Cruz, a former pastor and now convicted pedophile. He molested three young boys.      All three boys testified against Cruz during the trial, which began on Tuesday. One o...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first email of this fine clear Monday contained a description of one Humberto Cruz, a former pastor and now convicted pedophile. He <a href="http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100206/NEWS/2060326" >molested three young boys</a>. </p>  <blockquote>   <p><em>All three boys testified against Cruz during the trial, which began on Tuesday. One of them said he was sodomized by Cruz as many as 150 times between 2005 and 2006. Most of the crimes occurred at Cruz's home, but the jury also heard testimony about crimes that occurred in the church.</em></p> </blockquote>  <p>Cruz was the former pastor of the Newburgh Church of God in Orange County, New York. He faces up to 25 years in prison. </p>  <div class="wlWriterEditableSmartContent" id="scid:0767317B-992E-4b12-91E0-4F059A8CECA8:dabd1f60-ee9c-46bc-87b4-deee6e743ba7" style="padding-right: 0px; display: inline; padding-left: 0px; float: none; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px; padding-top: 0px">Technorati Tags: <a href="http://technorati.com/tags/Clergy+Sexual+Abuse" rel="tag">Clergy Sexual Abuse</a>,<a href="http://technorati.com/tags/Peodphiles" rel="tag">Peodphiles</a></div>  <div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/6939571-3512659108452171344?l=mojoey.blogspot.com' alt='' /></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>DADT: Clinching the Ring Finger</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ZackFord</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Honestly, I don&#8217;t think a lot more needs to be said about Don&#8217;t Ask, Don&#8217;t Tell except &#8220;Get rid of it already.&#8221; Still, I had a small epiphany this morning that I thought I&#8217;d share.
On the shuttle to the airport, I was sitting next to an active servicemember. He was wearing that really ugly pixelated [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I don&#8217;t think a lot more needs to be said about Don&#8217;t Ask, Don&#8217;t Tell except &#8220;Get rid of it already.&#8221; Still, I had a small epiphany this morning that I thought I&#8217;d share.</p>
<p>On the shuttle to the airport, I was sitting next to an active servicemember. He was wearing that really ugly pixelated camouflage uniform they all wear when they travel. I think that alone would be reason for me not to join the military, but I don&#8217;t want to fulfill stereotypes about gay men, because I&#8217;m really not all that fashion-conscious. There are just two important things you need to know:</p>
<p>1) He was in uniform. 2) He was wearing a wedding band.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the guy&#8217;s name, or what he does, or really anything about him except for two points: he&#8217;s in the military, and he&#8217;s married.</p>
<p>There is always the chance that he has a same-sex partner. In fact, after spending the week at Creating Change, I&#8217;m actually still a bit conditioned to assume that everyone I meet is a member of the queer community. But given the culture of Don&#8217;t Ask, Don&#8217;t Tell, it&#8217;s almost impossible that he&#8217;s in a same-sex marriage, because he would be constantly asked about his wife. He&#8217;d thus constantly have to lie.</p>
<p>I wanted to ask him about his wife. I wanted to ask him about the female troops he works with. Do they feel harassed knowing that he&#8217;s heterosexual? Are people concerned he might assault them? Does the fact that he has an ever-present symbol of his sexuality in clear view affect his unit&#8217;s cohesion?</p>
<p>As Sue Fulton of Knights Out told us at Creating Change, the policy is not enforced as it is described. It is simply &#8220;Don&#8217;t Tell.&#8221; As soon as an accusation is put forth, an investigation ensues, and then a whole lot of asking takes place, and as we know, a whole lot of discharges.</p>
<p>But the simple, recognizable symbol of a wedding band might be the key to pointing out to people that DADT has got to go. For all the stories we can relate about the consequences for gay and lesbian troops, <a href="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_gYih2jHkhv4/S3Cwx_DkyLI/AAAAAAAAAi8/nvi-MbXUbck/s800/Jeff%20Sheng%27s%20Don%27t%20Ask%2C%20Don%27t%20Tell%20Volume%201.JPG" class="thickbox no_icon" rel="gallery-3340" title="Jeff Sheng's Don't Ask, Don't Tell Volume 1"><img class="alignright" title="Jeff Sheng's Don't Ask, Don't Tell Volume 1" src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_gYih2jHkhv4/S3Cwx_DkyLI/AAAAAAAAAi8/nvi-MbXUbck/s144/Jeff%20Sheng%27s%20Don%27t%20Ask%2C%20Don%27t%20Tell%20Volume%201.JPG" alt="" width="140" height="144" /></a>perhaps this wedding band is the symbol that will help people see how simple and profound the discrimination is.</p>
<p>Later this week I&#8217;m going to do a post highlighting the photography of <a title="Jeff Sheng Photography" href="http://www.jeffsheng.com/">Jeff Sheng</a>, and I think this context will be important to note. Despite the fact that many servicemembers have significant others in their life, they have to constantly hide their private lives. There are a lot of ringless fingers in his photographs.</p>

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		<title>(debate) Did Jesus Worship Satan?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<br /><span style="font-weight: bold">Intro:</span><br /><br />I like debating weird hypothetical arguments.&#160; One gets tired of the same old normal arguments that (while necessary, culturally) get really really boring after a while.&#160; I've recently tested out my "<a href="http://war-on-error.xanga.com/tags/doesgodlie/">Does God Lie?</a>" argument in a public debate with some success.&#160; <br /><br />I'm brainstorming ideas for how to argue the case that if we accept <a target="_blank" href="http://x16.xanga.com/540f520730131263467530/b210029306.jpg"><img style="border-style: none;border-width: 0px;width: 153px;height: 214px" src="http://x16.xanga.com/540f520730131263467530/z210029306.jpg" align="right"/></a>  the scenario of Jesus being tempted in the desert by Satan, the balance of evidence seems to be in favor of Jesus giving in.&#160; <br /><br /><hr />It would have to be possible for Jesus to fail in the desert for it to be a real temptation.&#160; If it was impossible for Jesus to sin, then it would only be a meaningless taunting.&#160; A show.&#160; <br /><br />The evidence indicates that he <span style="font-style: italic">did </span>fail and decide to worship Satan.<br /><br />Presumably God the Father would abandon the earthly Jesus in that event.<br /><br />Jesus was a failed prophet who predicted he would return shortly.&#160; He didn't.&#160; (It's been a LONG time, too)&#160; Perhaps he knew this was how it was supposed to be, but God the Father was no longer with him.<br /><br /> <a target="_blank" href="http://x99.xanga.com/aa9f463a08733263467543/b210029309.jpg"><img style="border-style: none;border-width: 0px;width: 222px;height: 214px" src="http://x99.xanga.com/aa9f463a08733263467543/z210029309.jpg" align="left"/></a> The NT promises that the Church would be accompanied by the Holy Spirit to lead them in all truth.&#160; Today the Church is splintered into hundreds and thousands of denominations.&#160; It would seem God has abandoned the Church.&#160; <br /><br />The NT promises there would be miracles to accompany the gospel message.&#160; This is not the case.&#160; God is not on their team.<br /><br />Jesus seems to start to lose it near the end of his ministry, becoming angry and overturning tables in the Temple.&#160; <br /><br />He is overly slanderous towards his opponents, the Pharisees, indicating he'd lost patience with his earthly ministry.&#160; <br /><br />He doesn't seem to have access to all knowledge, indicating God was no longer with him.<br /><br />It seems Jesus was unable to accept failure, and continued on, getting himself executed in a pompous rivalry with earthly authorities.&#160; On the cross, Jesus says, "Oh God, why have you forsaken me?" seeming <a target="_blank" href="http://x82.xanga.com/ff8f4a0432433263467555/b210029314.jpg"><img style="border-style: none;border-width: 0px;width: 185px;height: 142px" src="http://x82.xanga.com/ff8f4a0432433263467555/z210029314.jpg" align="right"/></a>  to admit they had parted ways.&#160; <br /><br />Hence it would make sense that God didn't raise him from the dead.&#160; Presumably the body went missing for whatever reason, and his followers moved along with a false conception of events via hallucination and group think, and started their own religion.&#160; In their writings they tried to smooth things over as best they could. &#160;&#160; <br /><br />Perhaps the success of Christianity despite God's withdrawn investment was because God had prepared the way ahead of time in terms of what <span style="font-style: italic">would </span>have happened in history.&#160; <br /><br />It would seem salvation for humanity is not available after all.&#160; <br /><br /><hr /><span style="font-weight: bold">Outro:</span><br /><br />All I've tried to do here is take the basic Christian supernatural premises for granted and make a <span style="font-style: italic">better </span>shitty argument than a Christian.&#160; The moral of the story is that if we open the Pandora's box of religious epistemology, <span style="font-style: italic">anything </span>goes.&#160; And anything an apologist can contrive to support a laundry list of unverifiable doctrines and supernatural propositions is really them talking out of their hindquarters. <br /><br />Eventually I'll be sure to look up all the relevant verses and go searching for the apologetic responses to them in order to familiarize myself with the curve balls which would be coming my way (and to make sure my arguments actually work of course).&#160; This is just my rough outline.&#160; I'm not really even sure if I'd bother using this argument for anything other than practice in public debate since it's really just a mental exercise in lateral thinking.&#160; <br /><br />Any suggestions? <br /><br />Ben<br />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Intro:</span><br /><br />I like debating weird hypothetical arguments.&nbsp; One gets tired of the same old normal arguments that (while necessary, culturally) get really really boring after a while.&nbsp; I've recently tested out my "<a href="http://war-on-error.xanga.com/tags/doesgodlie/">Does God Lie?</a>" argument in a public debate with some success.&nbsp; <br /><br />I'm brainstorming ideas for how to argue the case that if we accept <a href="http://x16.xanga.com/540f520730131263467530/b210029306.jpg"><img title="Fd000647" style="border-style: none; border-width: 0px; width: 153px; height: 214px;" src="http://x16.xanga.com/540f520730131263467530/z210029306.jpg" align="right"/></a>  the scenario of Jesus being tempted in the desert by Satan, the balance of evidence seems to be in favor of Jesus giving in.&nbsp; <br /><br /><hr style="width: 100%; height: 2px;"/>It would have to be possible for Jesus to fail in the desert for it to be a real temptation.&nbsp; If it was impossible for Jesus to sin, then it would only be a meaningless taunting.&nbsp; A show.&nbsp; <br /><br />The evidence indicates that he <span style="font-style: italic;">did </span>fail and decide to worship Satan.<br /><br />Presumably God the Father would abandon the earthly Jesus in that event.<br /><br />Jesus was a failed prophet who predicted he would return shortly.&nbsp; He didn't.&nbsp; (It's been a LONG time, too)&nbsp; Perhaps he knew this was how it was supposed to be, but God the Father was no longer with him.<br /><br /> <a href="http://x99.xanga.com/aa9f463a08733263467543/b210029309.jpg"><img title="Jesus_facepalm" style="border-style: none; border-width: 0px; width: 222px; height: 214px;" src="http://x99.xanga.com/aa9f463a08733263467543/z210029309.jpg" align="left"/></a> The NT promises that the Church would be accompanied by the Holy Spirit to lead them in all truth.&nbsp; Today the Church is splintered into hundreds and thousands of denominations.&nbsp; It would seem God has abandoned the Church.&nbsp; <br /><br />The NT promises there would be miracles to accompany the gospel message.&nbsp; This is not the case.&nbsp; God is not on their team.<br /><br />Jesus seems to start to lose it near the end of his ministry, becoming angry and overturning tables in the Temple.&nbsp; <br /><br />He is overly slanderous towards his opponents, the Pharisees, indicating he'd lost patience with his earthly ministry.&nbsp; <br /><br />He doesn't seem to have access to all knowledge, indicating God was no longer with him.<br /><br />It seems Jesus was unable to accept failure, and continued on, getting himself executed in a pompous rivalry with earthly authorities.&nbsp; On the cross, Jesus says, "Oh God, why have you forsaken me?" seeming <a href="http://x82.xanga.com/ff8f4a0432433263467555/b210029314.jpg"><img title="1015eli_eli" style="border-style: none; border-width: 0px; width: 185px; height: 142px;" src="http://x82.xanga.com/ff8f4a0432433263467555/z210029314.jpg" align="right"/></a>  to admit they had parted ways.&nbsp; <br /><br />Hence it would make sense that God didn't raise him from the dead.&nbsp; Presumably the body went missing for whatever reason, and his followers moved along with a false conception of events via hallucination and group think, and started their own religion.&nbsp; In their writings they tried to smooth things over as best they could. &nbsp;&nbsp; <br /><br />Perhaps the success of Christianity despite God's withdrawn investment was because God had prepared the way ahead of time in terms of what <span style="font-style: italic;">would </span>have happened in history.&nbsp; <br /><br />It would seem salvation for humanity is not available after all.&nbsp; <br /><br /><hr style="width: 100%; height: 2px;"/><span style="font-weight: bold;">Outro:</span><br /><br />All I've tried to do here is take the basic Christian supernatural premises for granted and make a <span style="font-style: italic;">better </span>shitty argument than a Christian.&nbsp; The moral of the story is that if we open the Pandora's box of religious epistemology, <span style="font-style: italic;">anything </span>goes.&nbsp; And anything an apologist can contrive to support a laundry list of unverifiable doctrines and supernatural propositions is really them talking out of their hindquarters. <br /><br />Eventually I'll be sure to look up all the relevant verses and go searching for the apologetic responses to them in order to familiarize myself with the curve balls which would be coming my way (and to make sure my arguments actually work of course).&nbsp; This is just my rough outline.&nbsp; I'm not really even sure if I'd bother using this argument for anything other than practice in public debate since it's really just a mental exercise in lateral thinking.&nbsp; <br /><br />Any suggestions? <br /><br />Ben<br />]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Sabio Declares Himself</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sabio Lantz</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have posted a religious dialogue tool, which lists three ways to &#8220;Declare Thyself !&#8221;

Philosopher, declare thyself !
Atheist, declare thyself !
Christian, declare thyself !

I hope to put up some more in the future.  These posts are tables which help declare what sort of atheist, christian or philosopher you are.  Following are my declarations to illustrate [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=triangulations.wordpress.com&#38;blog=7141063&#38;post=3169&#38;subd=triangulations&#38;ref=&#38;feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<br /><p><a rel="attachment wp-att-3170" href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/sabio-declares-himself/ouroboros_sun-2/"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-3170" title="ouroboros_Sun" src="http://triangulations.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/ouroboros_sun1.jpg?w=140&#038;h=128" alt="" width="140" height="128" /></a>I have posted a <a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2010/01/02/religious-dialogue-tools/" >religious dialogue tool</a>, which lists three ways to &#8220;Declare Thyself !&#8221;</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/philosopher-declare-thyself/">Philosopher, declare thyself !</a></li>
<li><a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2010/02/07/atheists-declare-thyself/">Atheist, declare thyself !</a></li>
<li><a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/2813/">Christian, declare thyself !</a></li>
</ul>
<p>I hope to put up some more in the future.  These posts are tables which help declare what sort of atheist, christian or philosopher you are.  Following are my declarations to illustrate how I use these tables.  I hope by making clear my positions I can facilitate dialogue with my visitors.  See it it helps you.  Take a chance, label yourself, put the tables on a post on your blog &#8212; remember, you can always change your mind!<br />
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<h3>My Atheist Positions</h3>
<table style="height:691px;" border="2" cellpadding=".2 in" width="483" align="center">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td><strong> Level of Certainty:<br />
</strong></td>
<td>Moderate</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong> Level of Affirmation:<br />
</strong></td>
<td>Strong</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong>Stance toward Religion:</strong></td>
<td><a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2009/08/22/sympathetic-atheists/" >Sympathetic</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong>Openness:</strong></td>
<td>Open, but cautious</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong>Degree of Action:<a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/2009/11/09/atonement-theology/" ><br />
</a></strong></td>
<td>Debater &#8212; Activist (only my website)</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong> Religious Participation:<a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/2009/11/22/eschatology/" ><br />
</a></strong></td>
<td>Abstaining (rare)  &#8212; for now, but I may more in the future</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong>Degree of Enchantment</strong></td>
<td><a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2009/12/19/enchanted-naturalist/" >Enchanted</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong>Mystical Inclination:</strong></td>
<td>Highly Mystical<br />
(see <a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2010/01/01/a-childs-toilet-epiphany/" >here</a>, <a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/my-mystical-explosion/" >here</a> , <a href="http://" >here</a>, <a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2009/07/24/the-glory-of-insignificance/">here</a>)</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong>Belief History<br />
</strong></td>
<td>Former Believer (wholehearted Christian)</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong>Sect History<br />
</strong></td>
<td>Christian, Baptist and charismatic (see <a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2009/03/29/sabios-religious-history/" >my religious history</a>)</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong> Theory of Religion:<br />
</strong></td>
<td>It evolved like all other mechanisms of mind.  I will elaborate later.</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong> Non-theistic Leanings<br />
</strong></td>
<td>I am partial to many Buddhist teachings and insights.<br />
Part of me is a Panentheist, I think. (see, &#8220;<a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2009/06/15/many-selves-no-self/" >Many Selves, No Self</a>&#8220;)</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong>Degree of  Secular<br />
Superstitious Thinking<br />
</strong></td>
<td>I have many little superstitious habits, most of them I am aware of and embrace.</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong> View of Reason<br />
</strong></td>
<td><a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2009/10/01/sobriety-quote-war/" >Emotive-Rationalist.</a><br />
Reason is only one tool of mind and never divorce of emotions.  Most of our decisions are made mechanically by our minds with intuitive heuristics, &#8220;willful reason&#8221; is not a big player.  We are largely a juggernaut of habit.<br />
(see, <a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/page/3/" >Hyper-Rationalists</a>)</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong> Faith Items<br />
</strong></td>
<td>I strongly believe that love, compassion, freedom and forgiveness are of great value.  I have no evidence to support this. (<a href="http://" >see this list</a> of unprovable items scientists believe)</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<h3>My Philosophical Positions</h3>
<table border="2" cellpadding=".2 in" width="483" align="center">
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<tr>
<td><strong> School of Philosophy:<br />
</strong></td>
<td>not sure</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong> Ontology:<br />
</strong></td>
<td>Naturalist</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong>Science</strong>:</td>
<td>Scientific Realism</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong>Theory of Time</strong>:</td>
<td>not sure</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong>Theology:<a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/2009/11/09/atonement-theology/" ><br />
</a></strong></td>
<td>Atheist 90% (with flavors of Buddhist), Impersonal Pantheism 10%</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong> Politics:<a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/2009/11/22/eschatology/" ><br />
</a></strong></td>
<td>Libertarianism</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong>Language</strong>:</td>
<td>Fregeanism (probably, I am not sure)</td>
</tr>
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<td><strong>Mind:</strong></td>
<td>90% Physicalism + 10%  Anti-Physicalism</td>
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<td></td>
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<td><strong>Mental Content:</strong></td>
<td>Internalism</td>
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<td><strong>Abstract Objects:<br />
</strong></td>
<td>Nominalism</td>
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<td></td>
<td></td>
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<td><strong> Knowledge:<br />
</strong></td>
<td>not clear on the categories</td>
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<td></td>
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<td><strong> Personal Identity:<br />
</strong></td>
<td>not clear on the categories</td>
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<td></td>
<td></td>
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<td><strong>Free Will:<br />
</strong></td>
<td>not clear on the categories</td>
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<td></td>
<td></td>
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<td><strong> Normative Ethics:<br />
</strong></td>
<td>Not sure where my opinion lies</td>
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<td></td>
<td></td>
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<td><strong> Meta-Ethics:<br />
</strong></td>
<td>Not sure where my opinion lies</td>
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<td></td>
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		<title>High School Censors RichardDawkins.net</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Granted, it might have been more beneficial for me to be paying attention in class, but I&#8217;ve always thought that the RichardDawkins.net website was pretty darn educational (it is the website of an educational foundation, after all). They have podcasts about evolutionary science, links to stimulating articles, a banner asking non-believers to donate to Haiti. [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=splendidelles.wordpress.com&#38;blog=2174999&#38;post=811&#38;subd=splendidelles&#38;ref=&#38;feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<br /><p>Granted, it might have been more beneficial for me to be paying attention in class, but I&#8217;ve always thought that the RichardDawkins.net website was pretty darn educational (it <em>is</em> the website of an educational foundation, after all). They have podcasts about evolutionary science, links to stimulating articles, a banner asking non-believers to donate to Haiti. Today when I tried to access <a href="http://richarddawkins.net/">RichardDawkins.net </a>today from my school&#8217;s Internet network I got a message that said that the website was blocked.</p>
<p>Observe (click to embiggen)</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><a href="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2709/4342396636_090278ef49_o.jpg"><img class="aligncenter" title="RD.net blocked" src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2709/4342396636_090278ef49_o.jpg" alt="" width="537" height="282" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align:left;">Perhaps it was an honest mistake&#8230; I&#8217;ve very politely e-mailed the peeps who do this stuff so maybe they will unblock it. If not, I shall update here.</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">Update: Somewhat unrelated, but I just thought I&#8217;d share the mission listed in my school district&#8217;s <a href="http://twitter.com/CCSDK12">twitter page</a>.</p>
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<p style="text-align:left;">To inspire every student <strong>to think</strong>, <strong>to learn</strong>, to achieve, <strong>to care</strong></p>
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<p style="text-align:left;">Far as I can tell RD.net does three of the four.</p>
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		<title>328. Buffalo Springfield</title>
		<link>http://camelswithhammers.com/2010/02/08/328-buffalo-springfield/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They wrote and performed one of greatest songs ever about war, for what it&#8217;s worth.  Click here to see its incorporation into the brilliant title sequence of  the film Lord of War.
Your Thoughts?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<br /><p>They wrote and performed one of greatest songs ever about war, for what it&#8217;s worth.  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d0d6qgsvTw" >Click here </a>to see its incorporation into the brilliant title sequence of  the film <em>Lord of War</em>.</p>
<p>Your Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>But he doesn&#8217;t know my mom</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class="lead">This article on <a href="http://theoatmeal.com/story/octopus">why an octopus is more awesome than your mom</a> is generally accurate and valid &#8212; octopuses probably are more awesome than <i>your</i> mom &#8212; but suffers a bit from an incomplete survey of moms. The author has not met the awesome mom of me, nor is he acquainted with the ferocious Trophy Wife&#8482;, who also happens to moonlight as the indomitable Trophy Mother&#8482;.</p>

<p>Otherwise, though, it is an acceptable overview of octopodal merits.</p> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/but_he_doesnt_know_my_mom.php#commentsArea">Read the comments on this post...</a><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/scienceblogs/pharyngula/~4/KONBYLAQSa0" height="1"/>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="lead">This article on <a href="http://theoatmeal.com/story/octopus">why an octopus is more awesome than your mom</a> is generally accurate and valid &mdash; octopuses probably are more awesome than <i>your</i> mom &mdash; but suffers a bit from an incomplete survey of moms. The author has not met the awesome mom of me, nor is he acquainted with the ferocious Trophy Wife&trade;, who also happens to moonlight as the indomitable Trophy Mother&trade;.</p>

<p>Otherwise, though, it is an acceptable overview of octopodal merits.</p> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/but_he_doesnt_know_my_mom.php#commentsArea">Read the comments on this post...</a><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/scienceblogs/pharyngula/~4/KONBYLAQSa0" height="1" width="1"/>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>I&#8217;m home!</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class="lead">I left Morris on the 19th of January, and finally, here it is the 8th of February and I finally made it back. Now leave me alone. I get a moment to rest, don't I? That bottle of Irish whiskey I was given in Galway will help.</p>

<p>OK, moment over. Next up: I get to go the the <a href="http://www.corridor-a-team.com/calendar/12336655/?eventId=12336655&#38;action=detail">University of Northern Iowa on Wednesday</a>! Don't say it, I know I'm insane. Anyway, it'll be an evo-devo talk in the  Maucker Union, Hemisphere Lounge, at 7pm. There won't be much creationist bashing, but I'll probably spend a few minutes bashing <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/criticism_deferred_but_buildin.php">Jerry Fodor and Massimo Piattelli-Palmarini and Mary Midgley</a>, because they're morons who are abusing evo-devo in the name of making misguided criticisms of evolution. Everyone expects me to growl and gnash the fangs a bit about something, and I wouldn't want to disappoint.</p>

<p><i>Then</i> I get to come home again.</p>

<p>Oh, and one last totally random thing in recollection of my wonderful trip to Ireland. Here's me receiving an award from the <a href="http://ucdhumanistsociety.wordpress.com/">University College Dublin Secular Humanist Society</a>&#8230;from <i>Captain Jack Sparrow</i>. How awesome is that?</p>

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<p>Actually, that's David, but if ever he wants to become a pirate, I'll join his crew.</p>

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="lead">I left Morris on the 19th of January, and finally, here it is the 8th of February and I finally made it back. Now leave me alone. I get a moment to rest, don't I? That bottle of Irish whiskey I was given in Galway will help.</p>

<p>OK, moment over. Next up: I get to go the the <a href="http://www.corridor-a-team.com/calendar/12336655/?eventId=12336655&action=detail">University of Northern Iowa on Wednesday</a>! Don't say it, I know I'm insane. Anyway, it'll be an evo-devo talk in the  Maucker Union, Hemisphere Lounge, at 7pm. There won't be much creationist bashing, but I'll probably spend a few minutes bashing <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/criticism_deferred_but_buildin.php">Jerry Fodor and Massimo Piattelli-Palmarini and Mary Midgley</a>, because they're morons who are abusing evo-devo in the name of making misguided criticisms of evolution. Everyone expects me to growl and gnash the fangs a bit about something, and I wouldn't want to disappoint.</p>

<p><i>Then</i> I get to come home again.</p>

<p>Oh, and one last totally random thing in recollection of my wonderful trip to Ireland. Here's me receiving an award from the <a href="http://ucdhumanistsociety.wordpress.com/">University College Dublin Secular Humanist Society</a>&hellip;from <i>Captain Jack Sparrow</i>. How awesome is that?</p>

<div class="center"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/upload/2010/02/im_home/ucd_award.jpeg" width="400" height="533" alt="ucd_award.jpeg"/></div>

<p>Actually, that's David, but if ever he wants to become a pirate, I'll join his crew.</p>

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		<title>Comment: Jesus, Christians, and Pliny</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Around 110 CE Emperor Trajan appointed Pliny the Younger, Gaius Plinius Caecilius Secundus, as Governor of Bithynia-Pontus, on the southern coast of the Black Sea in modern-day Turkey. He was to investigate financial and administrative problems and deal with political unrest. Pliny was a successful middle-ranking bureaucrat from the Equestrian order, the lower of the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Around 110 CE Emperor Trajan appointed Pliny the Younger, <em>Gaius Plinius Caecilius Secundus,</em> as Governor of Bithynia-Pontus, on the southern coast of the Black Sea in modern-day Turkey. He was to investigate financial and administrative problems and deal with political unrest. Pliny was a successful middle-ranking bureaucrat from the Equestrian order, the lower of the two aristocratic classes, below that of Patricians. Remarkably, Pliny collected many of his letters and responses, made over his lifetime to friends, superiors, and juniors whom he encouraged. His letters were organised as a series of books in which number ten contained official correspondence with Trajan, where Pliny sought administrative advice during his time in Bithynia-Pontus.</p>
<p>One such problem was dealing with Christians. Pliny told Trajan that Christians, who were recognised as a problem elsewhere in the empire, prayed to a Christ as a form of divinity. Some had been worshipping so for some twenty years. He discussed their religious practices of praying in morning followed by a later common meal on fixed days. Pliny noted that they were otherwise law-abiding. Though Christians were disliked and distrusted by Roman authorities and the society in general, Trajan rejected systematic persecution, especially based on unsubstantiated claims.</p>
<p>What do these letters provide us? Mostly they offer a wonderful look at the administrative concerns and processes of early second century Roman empire. However the two letters, reproduced below, showed there were groups, identified as Christians, who worshipped Christ as a form of a god. The letters was written around 111CE with Pliny dating some of their worshipping up to twenty years previous. We need to remember that Paul, according to orthodox Christian traditions, evangelised throughout this area some 50 to 60 years before. He had a similar message of Christ as god. However these letters say nothing of the historical Jesus; only people believed in his divinity 80 years after his death.</p>
<p>A more interesting question is why Christians beliefs and practices were considered illegal by the Roman authorities? Unlike Christian and Jewish beliefs, the dominant pagan religions of the empire were polytheistic, usually accepting and modifying gods with different origins, like Greek, Roman, and Egyptian. Unlike today, religions emphasised ritual practices towards the gods rather the acceptance of correct beliefs. Life was precariousness 2000 years ago with common-place occurrences, like tooth absences, being death sentences and, so, protection of the gods was of prime importance.</p>
<p>Communities had to be particularly careful to appease the local city gods to ensure the city&#8217;s well-being. Regular public festivals were for precisely that purpose and everyone was expected to attend. Not doing so would be like Americans today refusing to take the pledge of allegiance. Ironically Christians were, in some respects, similar to followers of other eastern mystery religions: they typically believed in salvation through special knowledge and cultic practices Even though these mystery religions were of great fascination to Romans, the Christians were different. Their religious practices were exclusive and, more importantly, they would not participate in the public religious festivals. Local communities resented Christians and feared the consequences of insulting the city gods and, not surprisingly, most persecutions came from broader communities than from official actions.</p>
<p>Alex McCullie</p>
<p><a title="Website (new window)" href="http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/2811" >Free download &#8211; letters of Pliny the Younger (Project Gutenberg)</a></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>(Letters below &#8211; I separated sentences for easier reading.)</em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em> </em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em><strong>XCVII</strong></em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em><strong>To the Emperor Trajan</strong></em></span></p>
<p><em></em><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>It is my invariable rule, Sir, to refer to you in all matters where I feel doubtful; for who is more capable of removing my scruples, or informing my ignorance?</em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>Having never been present at any trials concerning those who profess Christianity, I am unacquainted not only with the nature of their crimes, or the measure of their punishment, but how far it is proper to enter into an examination concerning them.</em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>Whether, therefore, any difference is usually made with respect to ages, or no distinction is to be observed between the young and the adult; whether repentance entitles them to a pardon; or if a man has been once a Christian, it avails nothing to desist from his error; whether the very profession of Christianity, unattended with any criminal act, or only the crimes themselves inherent in the profession are punishable; on all these points I am in great doubt.</em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>In the meanwhile, the method I have observed towards those who have been brought before me as Christians is this: I asked them whether they were Christians; if they admitted it, I repeated the question twice, and threatened them with punishment; if they persisted, I ordered them to be at once punished: for I was persuaded, whatever the nature of their opinions might be, a contumacious and inflexible obstinacy certainly deserved correction.</em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>There were others also brought before me possessed with the same infatuation, but being Roman citizens, I directed them to be sent to Rome. But this crime spreading (as is usually the case) while it was actually under prosecution, several instances of the same nature occurred.</em></span></p>
<p><span><span style="font-family: inherit;"><em><span style="font-size: x-small;">An anonymous information was laid before me containing a charge against several persons, who upon examination denied they were Christians, or had ever been so.</span></em></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>They repeated after me an invocation to the gods, and offered religious rites with wine and incense before your statue (which for that purpose I had ordered to be brought, together with those of the gods), and even reviled the name of Christ: whereas there is no forcing, it is said, those who are really Christians into any of these compliances: I thought it proper, therefore, to discharge them.</em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>Some among those who were accused by a witness in person at first confessed themselves Christians, but immediately after denied it; the rest owned indeed that they had been of that number formerly, but had now (some above three, others more, and a few above twenty years ago) renounced that error.</em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>They all worshipped your statue and the images of the gods, uttering imprecations at the same time against the name of Christ.</em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>They affirmed the whole of their guilt, or their error, was, that they met on a stated day before it was light, and addressed a form of prayer to Christ, as to a divinity, binding themselves by a solemn oath, not for the purposes of any wicked design, but never to commit any fraud, theft, or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble, to eat in common a harmless meal.</em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>From this custom, however, they desisted after the publication of my edict, by which, according to your commands, I forbade the meeting of any assemblies. After receiving this account, I judged it so much the more necessary to endeavor to extort the real truth, by putting two female slaves to the torture, who were said to officiate&#8217; in their religious rites: but all I could discover was evidence of an absurd and extravagant superstition.</em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>I deemed it expedient, therefore, to adjourn all further proceedings, in order to consult you.</em></span><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em><br />
</em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>For it appears to be a matter highly deserving your consideration, more especially as great numbers must be involved in the danger of these prosecutions, which have already extended, and are still likely to extend, to persons of all ranks and ages, and even of both sexes.</em></span><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em><br />
</em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>In fact, this contagious superstition is not confined to the cities only, but has spread its infection among the neighbouring villages and country. Nevertheless, it still seems possible to restrain its progress.</em></span><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em><br />
</em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>The temples, at least, which were once almost deserted, begin now to be frequented; and the sacred rites, after a long intermission, are again revived; while there is a general demand for the victims, which till lately found very few purchasers.</em></span><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em><br />
</em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>From all this it is easy to conjecture what numbers might be reclaimed if a general pardon were granted to those who shall repent of their error.</em></span><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em><br />
</em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em><strong>XCVIII</strong></em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em><strong>Trajan to Pliny</strong></em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>You have adopted the right course, my dearest Secundus, in investigating the charges against the Christians who were brought before you.</em></span><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em><br />
</em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>It is not possible to lay down any general rule for all such cases. Do not go out of your way to look for them.</em></span><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em><br />
</em></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>If indeed they should be brought before you, and the crime is proved, they must be punished; with the restriction, however, that where the party denies he is a Christian, and shall make it evident that he is not, by invoking our gods, let him (notwithstanding any former suspicion) be pardoned upon his repentance. Anonymous informations ought not to he received in any sort of prosecution.</em></span><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em><br />
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<p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>It is introducing a very dangerous precedent, and is quite foreign to the spirit of our age.</em></span></p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>GeekGirlA</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry folks, been a time of illness (constant minor ones, albeit!) since X-Mas.Anyway, I'm back and I'm bad (yes, worse than before, ahem.)So, to pilgrimage. I was reading an excellent list over at Mental Floss (click here) of must see pilgrimage sites...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Sorry folks, been a time of illness (constant minor ones, albeit!) since X-Mas.<br /><br />Anyway, I'm back and I'm bad (yes, worse than before, ahem.)<br /><br />So, to pilgrimage. I was reading an excellent list over at Mental Floss (<a href="http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/10620">click here</a>) of must see pilgrimage sites, including Mecca, Bodh Gaya, the Western Wall, etc. and it got my brain all lubricated again. Where would be a good atheist site of pilgrimage?<br /><br />I would like to start by including all of those on the aforementioned list, as any atheist of large brain (Owl style) would be sure to be fore-armed with the details and reverence of the more ancient sites. They are all important steps in the journey of reason, after all, especially the Buddhist sites (*if they aren't the same as Christianity's).<br /><br />Following on from there, a pilgrimage to Greece, perhaps, to the birthplace of reason and philosophy. His most famous quote concerning religious ideas is;<br /><br /><blockquote>"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?  Then he is not omnipotent.<br />Is he able, but not willing?  Then he is malevolent.<br />Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"</blockquote>He was born on Samos, and studied at the Academy in Athens, so there are a couple of options on that one.<br /><br />Hmm, I think I've committed myself to a series here, haven't I? Tune in next week folks, for Galileo Galilei (house arrest for annoying the Church) and Bruno (burnt at the stake for being Galileo's biggest fan)...<br /><br />GG<br /><br />*<span style="font-size:85%;">There is a theory, a favourite of mine actually, given my liking for Buddhism, that Jesus was actually the Dalai Lama</span>. <span style="font-size:85%;">We all know the story of Jesus' birth; the three wise men from the east, following a star to find the baby, which just happens to be how the latest reincarnation of the great teacher is found, not that us rationalists believe that, of course</span>. <span style="font-size:85%;">Then there are</span> <span style="font-size:85%;">the "Lost years" of Jesus, aged 14 -29. 14 was the age the child was taken from their parents to be taught in the Buddhist religion/philosophy.  The Jesus ministry had eerie similarities to the Buddha story, with very similar miracles (both walked on water) and teachings (both stated that possessions bring suffering and righteousness is the true treasure of the soul). Finally, records of a teacher called Issa coming from Jerusalem, living out the rest of his life in Kashmir teaching in what seemed a continuance of the Jesus ministry, and dying there aged 80.</span>  <span style="font-size:85%;">Read <a href="http://www.thezensite.com/non_Zen/Was_Jesus_Buddhist.html">here</a> for a full and balanced account of the evidence</span>.<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4268583673851172388-972629257338183220?l=geekgirla.blogspot.com' alt='' /></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Christians Bring Honesty/Integrity to Communities.  Three Examples.</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A recent American Family Association poll stresses that the most important thing Christians bring to a community is "honesty/integrity".  Today's Christian Headlines provide three prime examples.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A recent American Family Association poll stresses that the most important thing Christians bring to a community is &#8220;honesty/integrity&#8221;.  Today&#8217;s Christian Headlines provide three prime examples.</p>
<p>Last week, we reported on Mayor R. Rex Parris of Lancaster, California <a href="http://www.palibandaily.com/2010/02/01/mayor-of-los-angeles-area-city-grow-as-christian-community/">declaring his a &#8220;Christian community</a>&#8220;.  The American Family Association wrote on the same story on their OneNewsNow site.  Rather than any reference to the separation of church and state, they focused on how evil Muslims were &#8220;<a href="http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=880072">irked by &#8216;Christian&#8217; comment</a>&#8220;:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Greater Los Angeles area office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations has denounced the comments. The chapter says it plans to file a civil rights complaint with the U.S. Justice Department. Executive director Hussam Ayloush says elected officials shouldn&#8217;t be using their public positions to impose their religious beliefs.</p></blockquote>
<p><img alt="" src="http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/1/afa_logo.gif" title="afa logo" class="alignleft" width="150" />Naturally, the AFA folks had to run a poll.  They asked, &#8220;What characteristic of the Christian faith is most beneficial to a community?&#8221;</p>
<p>Is it Forgiveness?  Christians are commanded to forgive, and a forgiving spirit helps build community.  Nah.</p>
<p>How about Repentance?  It&#8217;s important for Christians to demonstrate that we are all disgusting sinners who should grovel before God as unworthy.  Meh, not so much.</p>
<p>I know! I know!  It&#8217;s Self-Control, right?  Christians should be models of moderation, and show people how to avoid a hedonistic lifestyle. </p>
<p>5.57%?  No self control here.</p>
<p>A whipping 72.89% said &#8220;Integrity/Honesty&#8221; was the most important thing Christians bring to a community.</p>
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<p>Here are three news headlines demonstrating that honesty and integrity.  All are culled from today&#8217;s christianheadlines.com, a news aggregator site.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/Pastors-Use-Church-to-Commit-Mortgage-Scam.html">Pastors Use Church to Commit Mortgage Scam</a>:</p>
<p>Philadelphia pastor Jamaar Manlove, along with wife Rhonda and uncle Larry Manlove, used the Vision Builders Christian Fellowship as a front for a scam to steal home equity from desperate homeowners facing foreclosure.</p>
<blockquote><p>. . . desperate homeowners would go to the Manloves’ church, after allegedly being told there was a buyer who would purchase their home and lease it back to them.</p>
<p>&#8220;They’re unable to buy it back, or get the financing to buy it back, and in the meantime, the perpetrator has stolen whatever equity remained in the house,&#8221; Biden said.</p>
<p>All three are wanted by the state, but have yet to be located.
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<p><a href="http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&#038;id=7253750"><br />
Pastor sentenced jail time for embezzlement</a></p>
<p>Compton, California pastor Eugene Joshua Sims, former pastor of the Double Rock Baptist Church, was sentenced to one year in jail and five years of probation for embezzling $800,000 from the church . . . and restitution.</p>
<blockquote><p>Prosecutors say Sims set up a private bank account and between March 1, 2000 and Sept. 30, 2008, he diverted $800,000 in church donations to his private bank account and threatened parishioners who questioned his finances. </p></blockquote>
<p>Finally,<br />
<a href="http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20100202/church_money_100202/20100202?hub=Canada"><br />
Woman accused of stealing $91,000 from church</a></p>
<p>Paulette Dumont volunteered to handle financial and administrative work for the Assumption Catholic Church of Gravelbourg, Saskatchewan.  While there, Ms. Dumont helped herself to $91,000.</p>
<blockquote><p>RCMP say a woman who did financial and administrative work for the Assumption Catholic Church has been arrested over the writing of unauthorized cheques. </p>
<p>Paulette Dumont, 64, is charged with fraud and theft over $5,000. </p>
<p>Police say the cheques were written between 2002 and 2004.
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<li><a href='http://www.palibandaily.com/2009/07/12/featured-video-dominionist-loren-cunningham-on-how-christians-can-take-back-world-culture/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Featured Video:  Dominionist Loren Cunningham on How Christians Can &#8220;Take Back World Culture&#8221;'>Featured Video:  Dominionist Loren Cunningham on How Christians Can &#8220;Take Back World Culture&#8221;</a> <small>Loren Cunningham, founder of Youth with a Mission (which owns...</small></li>
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		<title>Don’t Grow Old</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a new BBC documentary about scientists who are trying to conquer death:</p>
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<p>I would love to live 500 years if I could be healthy for that long. Would you?</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim Henderson is the man who &#8220;bought my soul&#8221; on eBay a few years ago.  The reason he bid on my auction in the first place is because he loved the idea of &#8220;unchurched&#8221; people going to church and sharing their experiences.  
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Jim Henderson</strong> is the man who <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1400073472/wwwfriendlyat-20?creative=327641&#038;camp=14573&#038;adid=18W1JCWJJJSG4NQGMG7Q&#038;link_code=as1">&#8220;bought my soul&#8221; on eBay</a> a few years ago.  The reason he bid on my auction in the first place is because he loved the idea of &#8220;unchurched&#8221; people going to church and sharing their experiences.  </p>
<p>Jim would take those filled-out surveys and share them with the pastors of these churches, explaining what visitors liked and didn&#8217;t like about their visit. </p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t the first person to do this for him, and with Jim&#8217;s new site, <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/dannywestneat/2011003516_danny07.html">I won&#8217;t be anywhere near the last</a>.</p>
<p>Jim has created a full-blown version of his brainchild, <a href="http://www.churchrater.com/">ChurchRater</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>
&#8220;We say it&#8217;s our mission to reach out, including to nonbelievers,&#8221; Henderson, 62, says. &#8220;So why would we not want them to tell us what they think of our efforts to influence, change or even convert them?&#8221;</p>
<p>One reason might be that it can be brutal.</p>
<p>His Web site is free and open to believers and doubters alike, to say whatever they want. You can post reviews and one- to five-star ratings of churches, much as Yelp or Urban Spoon rank restaurants.</p>
<p>A church in Everett got one star because someone found the pastor too self-absorbed.</p>
<p>&#8220;All his stories are centered around his perfect life,&#8221; it says, citing a &#8220;perfect blonde wife&#8221; and Hallmark kids. &#8220;And if we sign up for Jesus, we&#8217;ll be perfect, too. Uhhhh &#8230; is this really what Jesus told you to do?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>So far only 40 churches in Washington have been rated on the Web site, not enough for it to reach a critical mass. Henderson says 30 more have expressed interest in his paid ratings services, which can range from $250 (for two visits by raters plus a written report) on up to $2,950 (for a weekend-long focus group between &#8220;outsiders&#8221; and church members, moderated by him).
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<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if more churches subject themselves to &#8220;mystery worshipers&#8221; before long &#8212; they&#8217;re businesses and they want to do what they can to bring in new customers.  </p>
<p>These churches could just hang on to the money if regular churchgoers had the guts to tell their pastors what they didn&#8217;t like about church &#8212; what they found offensive or untrue or disingenuous.</p>
<p>But they almost never do, so I guess it&#8217;s our job to tell the truth.<br />
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		<title>London transport chiefs apologise to passengers after driver stops to pray</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Barry Duke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A MUSLIM bus driver stunned passengers when he stopped his vehicle and began praying in the aisle this week –with the engine still running.
The driver, according to this report, parked without warning – then used a fluorescent jacket as an improvised prayer mat. He took off his shoes, knelt down facing Mecca, and began to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A MUSLIM bus driver stunned passengers when he stopped his vehicle and began praying in the aisle this week –with the engine still running.</p>
<p>The driver, according to<a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1249335/Bus-delayed-Muslim-driver-pulls-pray-aisle.html"> this report</a>, parked without warning – then used a fluorescent jacket as an improvised prayer mat. He took off his shoes, knelt down facing Mecca, and began to chant.</p>
<p>The prayer session held up the bus for more than five minutes with no-one able to get on or off.</p>
<div id="attachment_11521" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 370px"><img class="size-full wp-image-11521" title="prayer" src="http://images.freethinker.co.uk/uploads/2010/02/prayer.jpg" alt="" width="360" height="262" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Mercifully, there were no randy animals on board the No 24 bus when the driver stopped to pray</p></div>
<p>Passenger Gayle Griffiths, 33, complained to Transport for London about the bizarre incident on the No 24 bus in Gospel Oak, north London. She had boarded the bus a few minutes earlier on her way home from work.</p>
<p>She said:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>I have done the journey a million times before but I was in a hurry to get home to pick my little girl up from school. We had just picked up and let off people at a bus stop and moved off again when the driver stopped the bus very suddenly.</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>He got out of his cab, leaving the engine running, and walked towards the middle exit door. He laid out a fluorescent jacket on the floor and I thought that somebody must have been sick and he was covering it up. But then he took off his shoes and began praying. I was gobsmacked and quite bewildered.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Miss Griffiths said the bus driver didn&#8217;t give the passengers any explanation as to what he was doing. He hadn&#8217;t addressed the passengers at all. I didn&#8217;t say anything and nor did anyone else. I thought it would all be over in 30 seconds but it went on for over five minutes.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>It even went through my mind that this might be some sort of terrorist attack with the bus blown up because I had heard that suicide bombers prayed before attacks.</em></p>
<p><em>Everyone was looking round in a mix of shock and amazement. It was truly bizarre, ludicrous and aggravating.We are delayed often enough as it is in London. We live in a multi-cultural society but there is a time and a place for prayer and the middle of a journey with a busload of passengers is not it.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Transport for London said it had apologised to all the passengers for the delay to their journey and said all Muslim drivers are being reminded that they should pray during statutory rest periods rather than hold up services.</p>
<p>A TfL spokesman said:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>The bus company, London General, has had a word with the driver as this is not something that should be happening. TfL apologises to passengers for any inconvenience this may have caused them.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>He added:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>We understand that there is some flexibility in the Muslim faith as to the times of day that drivers can pray. TfL and the individual bus operating companies acknowledge and value the diversity of their staff.  As diverse employers, TfL and the bus operators provide suitable prayer or quiet rooms at garages and other key locations for staff who wish to practise their faith.</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>We have asked London General to remind drivers who have a requirement to pray to use these facilities during their rest periods.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>In March<em>,</em> 2008<em>, The Sun</em> carried a story that London bus driver<em> </em>Arunas Raulynaitis, a Muslim, had turfed passengers of a bus in Slough so that he could pray, and said distressed passengers thought he might be a fanatic. An subsequent investigation by the bus company found that Raulynaitis had actually used his statutory rest break to engage in a conversation with Allah, and there was no question of him breaking any rules.</p>
<p><em>The Sun</em> issued an <a href="http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1562296.ece">apology</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Hat tip: BarrieJohn</strong></p>
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		<title>Is Reggie Bush Fucking Kidding Me?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://avangelism.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/reggiebush.jpg" alt="Reggie Bush" / style="float: left; margin:0px 10px 2px 0; border:1px solid #545454;"/>I normally don’t do blog rants, but is Reggie Bush fucking kidding me? </p>
<p>We go through the god talk with every major sporting event, entertainment awards show, and even reality TV. The winners always think God wanted them to win and thank him for it. It’s normally laughable, if not a little annoying. </p>
<p>But Reggie Bush has got to be fucking kidding me.</p>
<p>He <a href="http://www.wwltv.com/sports/black-and-gold/videos/Bush-God-had-a-plan-83777082.html">said</a> that “God had a bigger plan than all of us, a plan that we couldn’t see three or four years ago.”</p>
<p>What was going on four years ago—can you recall? Think hard. </p>
<p>(No, not the <a href="http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=760591">overwhelming flood of evidence</a> that Reggie Bush setting off an investiagion of his alma mater that continues today and with which he&#8217;s never cooperated by taking money against NCAA rules.)</p>
<p>It was a different overwhelming flood. </p>
<p>Maybe Bush’s fellow Christian and quarterback Drew Brees can jog our memories: “Four years ago, whoever thought this would be happening? Eighty-five percent of the city was under water.”</p>
<p>Oh, that’s right!</p>
<p>Hurricane Katrina had just destroyed New Orleans and killed almost two thousand people. Why? Because God had a plan for Reggie Bush to win the Super bowl, that’s why.</p>
<p>It turns out that <a href="http://www.sunherald.com/sports/story/1929745.html">God even sent him Jeremy Shockey</a> to catch the game winning touchdown. </p>
<p>He&#8217;s got to be fucking kidding me.</p>
<p>Bush’s irrational and arrogant Christian idiocy is amazing, but so is the irrational and ignorant Christian idiocy that applauds it. That idiocy would be most of America.</p>
<p>Another Christian idiot agrees with Bush that Katrina was part of a divine plan, Pat Robertson. He says the divine plan was to destroy New Orleans because of its sin. Reggie says the divine plan was to destroy New Orleans so the Saints could win a Super Bowl.</p>
<p>Neither is more ridiculous. Neither is more arrogant. Both ought to offend any thinking person. But the outrage over Robertson’s arrogance is matched by effusions over Bush’s. </p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Because of how they made people feel.</p>
<p>Pat Robertson blamed God. Reggie Bush let God off the hook. Pat Robertson kicked people with God boots while they were down. Reggie Bush offered people God&#8217;s coattails to ride when they got up. </p>
<p>They’re both self-centered, arrogant Christian assholes, but Pat Robertson makes people feel like God is nasty and against them. Bush made people feel like God is sappy and for them.</p>
<p>People would prefer a sappy god that is for them. A fairy tale ending god that lends itself so well to sports. The Cultic American Culture&#8217;s god.</p>
<p>Gloating over death and tragedy as God’s work is contrary to the Cultic American Culture’s god. Gloating over victory made possible by God’s work (of death and tragedy) is congruent with the cultic god. </p>
<p>So the people of New Orleans are happy to think that God made up for destroying their city, demolishing their homes, and devastating their families by letting them win a football game. They have no problem with the lives of over eighteen hundred fellow citizens being the price of that divine plan.</p>
<p>Winning a football game makes them feel good now. It must be God&#8217;s work.</p>
<p>The rest of Americans are happy for the people of New Orleans because God let them win the football game.</p>
<p>Collectively Americans fail to consider that a plan beginning with Hurricane Katrina and ending with winning a football game is a pretty bad plan.</p>
<p>How did the citizens of New Orleans respond to God making up for Katrina by letting their team win a football game? Ironically, by doing what they’re best know for—by partying down, which is why Pat Robertson said God destroyed them in the first place.</p>
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		<title>We Love XKCD</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Satterley</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently found this brilliant video over at Boing Boing, featuring tons of famous geeks like Phil Plait, (the Bad Astronomer himself), Wil Wheaton, Lawrence Lessig and Corey Doctorow (I suspect only the computer geeks will know all of these guys).




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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Recently found <a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/07/xkcds-we-love-the-in.html">this brilliant video over at Boing Boing</a>, featuring tons of famous geeks like Phil Plait, (the <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/">Bad Astronomer</a> himself), Wil Wheaton, Lawrence Lessig and Corey Doctorow (I suspect only the computer geeks will know all of these guys).<br />
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It's based on <a href="http://www.xkcd.com/">XKCD</a>'s parody of the "I Love the Whole World" commercial (a.k.a. "The Boom De Yada song") Discovery Channel made a while back:<br />
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I love geeky things....<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1856803064493686272-7257923808662482640?l=infalliblefailure.blogspot.com' alt='' /></div>
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		<title>NPR on Vaccines</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Satterley</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joanne Silberner from NPR wrote an excellent piece on the benefits of vaccinating children, and of the problems with the "over-vaccinating" argument:

Some parents ask their pediatricians to space out the vaccines. But  that's a bad idea, says Marcuse....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Joanne Silberner from NPR wrote <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123369940">an excellent piece</a> on the benefits of vaccinating children, and of the problems with the "over-vaccinating" argument:<br />
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<blockquote>Some parents ask their pediatricians to space out the vaccines. But  that's a bad idea, says Marcuse. "When you space out the vaccines, you  leave your infant susceptible to diseases you could otherwise have  prevented, particularly in the first six to eight months of life," he  says. Babies can get diseases such as whooping cough or meningitis, and  these can be tough on them. </blockquote><blockquote>Babies are going to be exposed to  bacteria and viruses in one way or another — either during an outright  infection, or in the vaccines, says Saad Omer, a vaccine expert at Emory  University. </blockquote><blockquote>In the vaccines, [Dr. Edgar Marcuse] says, babies are only seeing bits and pieces of the  viruses or bacteria, and vaccines are much "cleaner" now than they used  to be. "A lot of people say that the number of vaccines has gone up," he  says. But, in reality, the number of antigens — the molecules in the  viruses and bacteria that spark the immune response — hasn't gone up,  it's gone down, he says.</blockquote><br />
I love that point:&nbsp; babies are going to be exposed to bacteria and viruses no matter what.&nbsp; Much better to be given a controlled dose via vaccine, which has been tested for safety than roll the dice on being infected out in the wild.&nbsp; Saad Omer, a vaccine expert at Emory University, also makes the point that many who don't want to vaccinate don't know what these diseases are like, because of the vaccines we have today:<br />
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<blockquote>Omer says parents need to remember that for every type of  vaccination, the disease is a bigger challenge to the baby than the  vaccine. That's easy to forget today, when few can remember what polio  and whooping cough and even measles look like. </blockquote><blockquote>"After effective  control of these diseases, there's a shift in the mental calculus of  parents," Omer says. They stop worrying about the disease, and start  worrying about the vaccine. But the measles vaccine causes brain damage  in 1 in 1 million recipients. The disease itself, which used to hit the  majority of kids, killed 1 in 500 people who got it, and caused brain  damage in 1 in 1,000. </blockquote><br />
The entire article is extremely well written, and should be read by anyone even considering not vaccinating their children. &nbsp;<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1856803064493686272-2937182774875860252?l=infalliblefailure.blogspot.com' alt='' /></div>
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		<title>A Little Humor. Just A Little…</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Spanish Inquisitor</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#8217;s always someone&#8230;

And you thought it was all about religion.

There&#8217;s always 2012.

Ummm&#8230; Maybe you ought to just call.

Mike, you might want to just use your first initial. Or your middle name. Or both.

I&#8217;m thinking George doesn&#8217;t want no stinkin&#8217; apology. His reputation is sealed.

Yep. That ought to reassure her.

Last but not least, some REAL reassurance!

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[There&#8217;s always someone&#8230;

And you thought it was all about religion.

There&#8217;s always 2012.

Ummm&#8230; Maybe you ought to just call.

Mike, you might want to just use your first initial. Or your middle name. Or both.

I&#8217;m thinking George doesn&#8217;t want no stinkin&#8217; apology. His reputation is sealed.

Yep. That ought to reassure her.

Last but not least, some REAL reassurance!

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		<title>Howard Jacobson and the Temple of Darwin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[George Jellis isn&#8217;t too impressed by Creation, but has a few tips for the Natural History Museum as well.
Howard Jacobson is quoted as maintaining that &#8220;comedy is a very important part of what I do.&#8221;
So perhaps that was what he was attempting in his presentation in the first part of The Bible: a History. (The first episode, [...]]]></description>
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<p><strong>George Jellis isn&#8217;t too impressed by </strong><em><strong>Creation</strong></em><strong>, but has a few tips for the Natural History Museum as well.</strong></p>
<p><span id="more-1287"></span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Jacobson">Howard Jacobson</a> is quoted as maintaining that &#8220;comedy is a very important part of what I do.&#8221;</p>
<p>So perhaps that was what he was attempting in his presentation in the first part of <a href="http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-bible-a-history"><em>The Bible: a History</em></a>. (The first episode, <em>Creation</em>, is still available online and the series continues on Channel 4.)</p>
<p>As he explains in his introduction on the C4 website: &#8220;The big question for me is how to believe, and not to believe, at the same time.&#8221; He concludes at the end of the film: &#8220;The concept that something can be both true and untrue is something that religious people seem better able to grasp than athiests.&#8221;</p>
<p>Plenty of scope for <em>double entendre</em> then, one would think.</p>
<p>Unfortunately he actually seems to have been taking these irrationalist theses seriously.</p>
<p>As he says in a <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1244797/God-isnt-dead-You-just-think-creatively-Howard-Jacobson.html">related article</a> in the Daily Mail, &#8220;We need, in my view, to jettison the idea of utter truth altogether.&#8221; And further: &#8220;We are complex beings, able to believe and not believe at the same time. We do it with a TV soap opera. We accept as truth what we know not to be true, and sometimes that which is not true affects us more profoundly.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jacobson began the programme with an outright attack on a straw-man version of atheism, and continued such quixotic attacks to such an extent that, in common with many other commentators, I found myself almost shouting at the television. He is &#8220;moved to fury&#8221; by the &#8216;New Atheists&#8217;, but despite being filmed looking at one chapter title of <em>The God Delusion</em>, doesn&#8217;t actually seem to have read the arguments in the rest of the book. In the Daily Mail article he even refers to &#8220;fire-and-brimstone atheists&#8221; who are &#8220;closed-minded in the name of science&#8221;.</p>
<p>Despite A. C. Grayling&#8217;s patient explanation to the contrary, Jacobson seems to think that atheists can have no appreciation of art, music or literature.</p>
<p>His main thesis was that New Atheists misunderstand the nature of religion, in particular the function of the Creation myth, which seems simply to be &#8220;to stir the imagination even of unbelievers like himself&#8221;.</p>
<p>The thing is, if he&#8217;s so keen to believe that everything can be true and not true at the same time, then surely Jacobson should be the first person to accept that, for some, the Creation myth simply isn&#8217;t very interesting or moving at all, when set against the wondrous works of natural history.</p>
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<p>The interview with Grayling was conducted at the Natural History Museum in London which Jacobson described as &#8220;a temple to Charles Darwin&#8221;, kneeling reverently on the steps beneath the great naturalist&#8217;s statue. Having paid a visit to the museum myself in the last week, for a look around the new &#8220;Cocoon&#8221; structure, I have to agree with him that it has taken on the air of a Darwinian Temple.</p>
<p>The statue of the man who engaged the architect and planned the building, Richard Owen, I found is now relegated to a dark corner up the stairs to the left of Darwin. The fact that he is sculpted in devilish black marble and bears a resemblance to Olivier&#8217;s version of Richard III, whereas Darwin is enthroned like a bearded sage in saintly white marble adds to the impression. OK, maybe Owen was wrong about evolution, and a bit of a sly politician, but he did get the work done by founding this magnificent building. In my view he should be reinstated in a more prominent position. The obvious place would be in the Central Hall, guiding people to the Dinosaur exhibition, which is still the most entertaining and best presented part of the museum.</p>
<p>He could perhaps be matched on the other side of the hall, at the entrance to the Ecology exhibition, by the statue of Joseph Banks, which is currently to be found in another dark corner up on the second floor.</p>
<p>My visit to the Cocoon I have to say was a disappointment. This may have been in part because no adequate explanation was given about how to operate the exhibit screens. No doubt children are taught such elementary things at school now, and pensioners like me are expected to keep up to date, but I&#8217;m finding it going too fast for me. For instance, I tried pressing the Help symbols on the touch screens and nothing ever happened.</p>
<p>The only access and exits from the Cocoon appear to be by lift, which is worrying to someone claustrophobic like me, and most of it consists of a single rather featureless spiral corridor.</p>
<p>Surely it should have been in a double helix design! Anyway, I enjoyed the Dinosaurs once again!</p>
<p><strong><em>George Jelliss is the secretary of <a title="Hastings Humanists" href="http://hastingshumanists.blogspot.com/" >Hastings Humanists</a> and has an interest in history of ideas.</em></strong></p>


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<p>Although I was brought up in a religion, I've discovered that there is a large difference between those who were seriously immersed in a faith, like this fellow, and people who just got a fairly brief and not very deep exposure, like myself. I was rather easily disabused of religion &#8212; when I first was taught the tenets of the faith, my reaction was more like, "You believe <i>what</i>? And you expect me to believe it too? That's batty!" I didn't need the careful dissection of belief, because what jumped out to me was the raging absurdity of original sin, virgin births, gods manifesting as men, etc., etc., etc.</p> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/a_reasonable_deconversion.php#commentsArea">Read the comments on this post...</a><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/scienceblogs/pharyngula/~4/ibr0WQR9HI0" height="1"/>]]></description>
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<p>Although I was brought up in a religion, I've discovered that there is a large difference between those who were seriously immersed in a faith, like this fellow, and people who just got a fairly brief and not very deep exposure, like myself. I was rather easily disabused of religion &mdash; when I first was taught the tenets of the faith, my reaction was more like, "You believe <i>what</i>? And you expect me to believe it too? That's batty!" I didn't need the careful dissection of belief, because what jumped out to me was the raging absurdity of original sin, virgin births, gods manifesting as men, etc., etc., etc.</p> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/a_reasonable_deconversion.php#commentsArea">Read the comments on this post...</a><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/scienceblogs/pharyngula/~4/ibr0WQR9HI0" height="1" width="1"/>]]></content:encoded>
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		<description><![CDATA[George Barnsby, aged 90, &#8220;lifetime anti-racist and anti-fascist,&#8221; wrote this blog from his hospital bed where he is recovering from MRSA.
Such was my confidence at this time, that I was tempted to revert to the original purpose of the Blog, and advertise the latest bulletin of the British Humanist Association. The BHA represents what is probably, the largest [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Barnsby, aged 90, &#8220;lifetime anti-racist and anti-fascist,&#8221; wrote this blog from his hospital bed where he is recovering from MRSA.</p>
<blockquote><p>Such was my confidence at this time, that I was tempted to revert to the original purpose of the Blog, and advertise the latest bulletin of the British Humanist Association. The BHA represents what is probably, the largest body of people in the world, those who are Atheists or non-believers of every sort. People would be most likely to seek the services of a trained BHA official on the hasppy occasion of a wedding or the less happy occasion of a funeral, and it is interesting to note that at least 3 courses to train such officials, are now underway.</p>
<p>Another issue on my mind has been that of church schools, the majority of which are operated privately and outside the control of the Local authority, which still has to pay the bills even though they have no control over the syllabus or the ethos of the school.</p>
<p>Hopefully I’m not being too morbid when I say that another issue on my mind lately has been that of assisted suicide. The recent case of the mother of a girl who was bed-ridden for 17 years and who had clearly expressed a wish to end her life, being charged with attempted murder, only highlights how much clarification and ammendment is still needed to the law in this country.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://gbpeopleslibrary.co.uk/blog/?p=2022">http://gbpeopleslibrary.co.uk/blog/?p=2022</a></p>
<p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-507" title="Information icon" src="http://www.humanistlife.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/info-icon.png" alt="" width="32" height="32" />The BHA does indeed support a network of celebrants offering <a title="Humanist weddings and funerals" href="http://www.humanism.org.uk/ceremonies" >Humanist Ceremonies</a>, campaigns on <a title="'Faith' schools" href="http://www.humanism.org.uk/campaigns/religion-and-schools/faith-schools" >&#8216;faith&#8217; schools</a> and <a title="Religion in schools campaigns from the BHA" href="http://www.humanism.org.uk/campaigns/religion-and-schools" >religion in schools</a> in general, and also on legalising <a title="Assisted dying campaign" href="http://www.humanism.org.uk/campaigns/ethical-issues/assisted-dying" >assisted dying for the terminally ill</a>.</p>


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		<description><![CDATA[There is a list of crazy killings in 2 Samuel 23 and 1 Chronicles 11 that I don't know what to do with. God obviously approves of them, but should they be included on his list of killings? 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://thebricktestament.com/david_vs_saul/davids_strong_men/2s23_08a.html"><img src="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/images/2sam23_8.jpg" align="right" hspace="20" title="Brick Testament: David's Strong Men"/></a>There is a list of crazy killings in <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/2sam/23.html#8">2 Samuel 23</a> and <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1chr/11.html#10">1 Chronicles 11</a> that I don't know what to do with. God obviously approves of them, but should they be included on <a href="http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-many-has-god-killed-revised_04.html">his list of killings</a>? 

<blockquote>These be the names of the mighty men whom David had: <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/2sam/23.html#8">2 Samuel 23:8a</a></blockquote>

<blockquote>These also are the chief of the mighty men whom David had ... to make him king, according to the word of the LORD concerning Israel. And this is the number of the mighty men whom David had: <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1chr/11.html#10">1 Chronicles 11:10-11a</a></blockquote>

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<blockquote>The The Tachmonite that sat in the seat, chief among the captains; the same was Adino the Eznite: he lift up his spear against eight hundred, whom he slew at one time. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/2sam/23.html#8">2 Samuel 23:8</a></blockquote>

<blockquote>Jashobeam, an Hachmonite, the chief of the captains: he lifted up his spear against three hundred slain by him at one time. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1chr/11.html#11">1 Chronicles 11:11b</a></blockquote>

<p>The two accounts disagree on who was the chief of the captains and how may he killed with his spear at one time. Was it Adino or Jashobeam, 300 or 800? Maybe it was two different captains in two different slaughters. I'll let the believers sort it out. 

</p><p>But I'm not giving God credit for this one (or these ones), since neither account says that God participated in any way (besides cheering on the sidelines, of course).

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<blockquote>Eleazar the son of Dodo ... smote the Philistines until his hand was weary, and his hand clave unto the sword: and <b>the LORD wrought a great victory that day</b>. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/2sam/23.html#9">2 Samuel 23:9-10</a></blockquote>

<blockquote>Eleazar the son of Dodo ... one of the three mighties ... slew the Philistines; and <b>the LORD saved them by a great deliverance.</b> <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1chr/11.html#12">1 Chronicles 11:12-14</a>
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<p>But what about this one? The son of Dodo smote Philistines until his hand stuck to his sword, "and the LORD wrought a great victory that day." So God was involved somehow. Did he provide the glue that stuck the son of Dodo's hand to the sword? We may never know for sure.

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<blockquote>Shammah the son of Agee ... slew the Philistines: and <b>the LORD wrought a great victory</b>. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/2sam/23.html#11">2 Samuel 23:12</a></blockquote>

<p>Shammah isn't mentioned in the 1 Chronicles account, but according to 2 Samuel, God was involved since "the Lord wrought a great victory." I'd like a bit more detail, though, before convicting him.

<li><blockquote>Abishai ... lifted up his spear against three hundred, and slew them. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/2sam/23.html#18">2 Samuel 23:18</a></blockquote>

<blockquote>Abishai the brother of Joab, he was chief of the three: for lifting up his spear against three hundred, he slew them. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1chr/11.html#20">1 Chronicles 11:20</a></blockquote>

<p>Abishai killed 300 Philistines with his spear, but there's no mention of God, so I'll leave him out of it.

<li><blockquote>Benaiah the son of Jehoiada ... slew two lionlike men of Moab: he went down also and slew a lion in the midst of a pit in time of snow. And he slew an Egyptian, a goodly man: and the Egyptian had a spear in his hand. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/2sam/23.html#20">2 Samuel 23:20-21</a></blockquote>

<blockquote>Benaiah the son of Jehoiada ... slew two lionlike men of Moab: also he went down and slew a lion in a pit in a snowy day. And he slew an Egyptian, a man of great stature, five cubits high; and in the Egyptian's hand was a spear like a weaver's beam; and he went down to him with a staff, and plucked the spear out of the Egyptian's hand, and slew him with his own spear. <a href="http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/1chr/11.html#22">1 Chronicles 11:22-23</a></blockquote>

<p>This one is my favorite. Jehoiada killed two lion-like men and then a lion in a snowy pit. After that he killed a good-looking, 7.5 foot tall Egyptian with the Egyptian's spear.

</p><p>But he may have done these wonderful deeds on his own, without any help from God (though God certainly approved), so I'll leave it off his list.
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</p><p>So only 2 and 3 seem to be candidates for God's killings, since they say, "the Lord wrought a great victory." But that seems too vague to me, so I'll leave them off <a href="http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-many-has-god-killed-revised_04.html">God's list</a>.

</p><p>After I finish going through all of God's killings, I'll put together a list of the God-approved killings in the Bible. <i>That</i>'s going to be a long list!<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/26149572-3399207528745716110?l=dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /></div></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Judge addresses Sikh exemptions from knife rules</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sikhs should be allowed to wear their ceremonial daggers &#8211; known as Kirpans &#8211; to school and other public places, Britain&#8217;s first Asian judge has said.
There have been a number of cases of Sikhs being refused entry to venues because they wear the Kirpan or other religious artefacts.
Sir Mota Singh QC, who is retired, has [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>Sikhs should be allowed to wear their ceremonial daggers &#8211; known as Kirpans &#8211; to school and other public places, Britain&#8217;s first Asian judge has said.</strong></p>
<p>There have been a number of cases of Sikhs being refused entry to venues because they wear the Kirpan or other religious artefacts.</p>
<p>Sir Mota Singh QC, who is retired, has criticised schools over the issue.</p>
<p>&#8220;Not allowing someone who is baptised to wear a Kirpan is not right,&#8221; Sir Mota told BBC Asian Network.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8500712.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8500712.stm</a></p>


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		<title>It shouldn’t be news that science is fallible</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Krebs puts recent coverage of climate science in context.
My non-scientist friends are beginning to ask me “What’s gone wrong with science?” Revelations about melting glaciers and potentially dodgy emails about global warming, the resurfacing of Andrew Wakefield and the MMR scare, and the sacking of the Government’s drugs adviser, have created the impression for [...]]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>My non-scientist friends are beginning to ask me “What’s gone wrong with science?” Revelations about melting glaciers and potentially dodgy emails about global warming, the resurfacing of Andrew Wakefield and the MMR scare, and the sacking of the Government’s drugs adviser, have created the impression for some people that science is in a mess.</p>
<p>Of course science isn’t in a mess, nor has anything changed. But the stories underline two important features of scientists and science. First, scientists, just like every other trade — bus drivers, lawyers and bricklayers — are a mix. Most are pretty average, a few are geniuses, some are a bit thick, and some dishonest.</p>
<p>Second, science itself is often misunderstood. Scientists tend to be portrayed as voices of authority who are able to reveal truths about arcane problems, be it the nature of quarks or the molecular basis of ageing. In fact, science is almost the opposite of this. In<em>The Trouble With Physics</em>, physicist Lee Smolin considers how to describe science and concludes that Nobel Prize winner Richard Feyman’s phrase says it best: “Science is the organised scepticism in the reliability of expert opinion.”</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article7018438.ece">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article7018438.ece</a></p>


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		<title>A Video Plea to a Young Believer</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A. Hughman has made a video that is a plea to young believers.
It doesn&#8217;t ask that they become atheists &#8212; he has a different goal in mind:

I love the video.  My worry, though, is that many young Christians will say they have no problem with expressing doubt.
They question plenty of things: 
Evolution.
Sex education. 
And, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/AHughman08">A. Hughman</a></strong> has made a video that is a plea to young believers.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t ask that they become atheists &#8212; he has a different goal in mind:</p>
<p><center><object width="580" height="360"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Bv8t_qc8VUQ&#038;hl=en_US&#038;fs=1&#038;color1=0x5d1719&#038;color2=0xcd311b&#038;hd=1&#038;border=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Bv8t_qc8VUQ&#038;hl=en_US&#038;fs=1&#038;color1=0x5d1719&#038;color2=0xcd311b&#038;hd=1&#038;border=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="580" height="360"></embed></object></center></p>
<p>I love the video.  My worry, though, is that many young Christians will say they have no problem with expressing doubt.</p>
<p>They question <em>plenty</em> of things: </p>
<p>Evolution.</p>
<p>Sex education. </p>
<p>And, yes, in some cases, certain things their religious leaders say.</p>
<p>But they have no doubts whatsoever about things like the resurrection of Jesus, or the existence of an afterlife, or that a god listens to their prayers.  They won&#8217;t bother ever questioning those beliefs, and nothing that others say will get them to reconsider.</p>
<p>(Thanks to <strong><a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/healthyaddict">Ashley</a></strong> for the link)<br />
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class="lead">Focus on the Patriarchy has always favored punishing children to teach them right from wrong, so I can't imagine them being too upset at this news: a fellow's 4-year-old daughter was having trouble memorizing her ABC's, suggesting that she needed some extra incentives to excel. So <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1249191/Soldier-father-accused-waterboarding-daughter-4-recite-alphabet.html">Dad waterboarded her</a>. How sweet that Daddy cared so much about the importance of her education.</p>

<p>I'm going back to teaching in the fall. Will this be considered a reasonable educational technique? I'm thinking of putting a rack in the lecture hall and carrying around some thumbscrews just to help my students learn better.</p> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/at_least_james_dobson_will_app.php#commentsArea">Read the comments on this post...</a><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/scienceblogs/pharyngula/~4/fgtXFpUlCqk" height="1"/>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="lead">Focus on the Patriarchy has always favored punishing children to teach them right from wrong, so I can't imagine them being too upset at this news: a fellow's 4-year-old daughter was having trouble memorizing her ABC's, suggesting that she needed some extra incentives to excel. So <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1249191/Soldier-father-accused-waterboarding-daughter-4-recite-alphabet.html">Dad waterboarded her</a>. How sweet that Daddy cared so much about the importance of her education.</p>

<p>I'm going back to teaching in the fall. Will this be considered a reasonable educational technique? I'm thinking of putting a rack in the lecture hall and carrying around some thumbscrews just to help my students learn better.</p> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/at_least_james_dobson_will_app.php#commentsArea">Read the comments on this post...</a><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/scienceblogs/pharyngula/~4/fgtXFpUlCqk" height="1" width="1"/>]]></content:encoded>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Ed Young’s Lavish Lifestyle</title>
		<link>http://unreasonablefaith.com/2010/02/08/ed-youngs-lavish-lifestyle/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ed Young is a popular preacher in many evangelical circles. The largest church in my area, for example, has him to preach whenever they can and he is a mentor to the pastor.
But now some are questioning his luxurious lifestyle:
One former staff member who says he was close to Young but wishes not to be [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-9267" title="ed-young" src="http://unreasonablefaith.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ed-young-190x229.png" alt="ed-young" width="190" height="229" />Ed Young is a popular preacher in many evangelical circles. The largest church in my area, for example, has him to preach whenever they can and he is a mentor to the pastor.</p>
<p>But now some are <a href="http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/Prominent-Pastor-Linked-to-Luxury-83600192.html">questioning his luxurious lifestyle</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>One former staff member who says he was close to Young but wishes not to be identified, described it this way: &#8220;The lack of accountability. The lavish lifestyle that keeps increasing, while the attendance keeps decreasing.&#8221; [...]</p>
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<p>And, like good &#8216;ol Benny Hinn, he has a private jet:</p>
<blockquote><p>Young recently replaced his chief financial officer and replaced him with his personal attorney, business partner and fishing buddy, Dennis Brewer Jr.</p>
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<blockquote><p>With Brewer&#8217;s help and a complex series of business creations and transactions, Young is now jetting around the country in a French-made Falcon 50 private jet; estimated value, $8.4 million. [...]</p>
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<blockquote><p>Those who hear him preach every Sunday have never been told about the aircraft.</p>
<p>&#8220;The staff members are told that there is no plane, and several staff members who have actually been on the plane have denied that there is a plane,&#8221; said the former employee source.</p>
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<p>He also makes some serious cash:</p>
<blockquote><p>News 8 has also learned that Young&#8217;s 10,000 square foot, $1.5 million estate on Lake Grapevine is not listed on the tax rolls in his name, but rather in the name of &#8220;Palometa Revocable Trust.&#8221;</p>
<p>Records show that Young was paid $240,000 a year as a parsonage allowance; that&#8217;s in addition what sources say is a $1 million yearly pastor&#8217;s salary.</p>
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<p>And on top of that, he has been creating numerous for-profit businesses based on the non-profit church:</p>
<blockquote><p>In the past few years, Young and his attorney, Dennis Brewer Jr., have created a number of for-profit companies generating money apart from Fellowship Church, including: Creative Pastors, CreativePastors.com, Creality Enterprises, Creality Publishing, EY Publishing, Ed Young Resources and UOI Resources.</p>
<p>All the businesses list the fifth floor of Dennis Brewer&#8217;s law office in Las Colinas as their office address.</p>
<p>But the resources used to generate the profits come, in part, from the not-for-profit Fellowship Church.  For example, Ed&#8217;s favorite sermons that were delivered at the church.</p>
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<p>Young might not be breaking any laws, but as the article says, &#8220;perhaps he is violating the covenant of honesty with his congregation.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>The Alternative Worldview Argument</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160;Powered by Max Banner Ads&#160;Recently, a Christian commented to me that the fundamentalist worldview makes more sense than the atheist worldview. The idea is that either people see the world with a fundamentalist worldview or they see it with the alternative atheist worldview. The interesting thing about this is that there is no atheist worldview.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently, a Christian commented to me that the fundamentalist worldview makes more sense than the atheist worldview. The idea is that either people see the world with a fundamentalist worldview or they see it with the alternative atheist worldview. The interesting thing about this is that there is no atheist worldview.</p>
<p>I think this stems from the confusion that some fundamentalist Christians have between <a href="http://www.dangeroustalk.net/?p=813" >atheism and secularism</a>. Since scientific theories do not address the metaphysical beliefs in deities, many fundamentalist Christians see these secular theories as atheist theories. While it is true that most (if not all) atheists accept the secular scientific worldview called “reality” that does not make the scientific worldview an atheist worldview.</p>
<p>By framing science as atheism, these fundamentalist Christians can take the objectivity out of science and metaphorically write off any scientific theory or fact that they don’t like as being atheist propaganda.</p>
<p>The fundamentalist Christian/Creationist worldview is defined by their religious beliefs. As such, they mistakenly think that science is defined by a belief that God does not exist. The fact is that science is open to the possibility of a deity, but has not seen any evidence for such a proposition. Science deals only with the natural world (the only world we know) and not the Christian metaphysical or supernatural world. This doesn’t seem to register with these fundamentalists.</p>
<p>Recently, I had a conversation with a graduate from Liberty University. When I talked about how they have an obvious bias, he told me that he had also studied at atheist universities. There are atheist universities? His view was that if a University didn’t have an obvious fundamentalist Christian bias, then by default, it must have an obvious atheist bias. Atheism is the alternative worldview in his mind.</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, these fundamentalists rarely even consider that there are other religions out there or even other perspectives on their religion. In their minds, people either have a fundamentalist Christian worldview or the alternative atheist worldview. There are no other possible worldviews.<br />
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		<title>Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy&#8211;fugitives from reality</title>
		<link>http://hjhop.blogspot.com/2010/02/jim-carrey-and-jenny-mccarthy-fugitives.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bing</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[They must have really, really hot, stupid sex.Today Jim Carrey sent me a really, really pathetic email.  These people are broken.  There is something wrong with them and they are clearly wasting fame that could otherwise go to a useful cause.Of course,...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[They must have really, really hot, stupid sex.<br /><br />Today Jim Carrey sent me a really, really pathetic email.  These people are broken.  There is something wrong with them and they are clearly wasting fame that could otherwise go to a useful cause.<br /><br />Of course, it has to do with the retraction of Andrew Wakefield's bogus autism-vaccine paper.  And here it comes:<br /><blockquote>A Statement from Jenny McCarthy &amp; Jim Carrey: Andrew Wakefield, Scientific Censorship, and Fourteen Monkeys<br /><br />Jim Carrey Los Angeles, February 5, 2010<br /><br />Dr. Andrew Wakefield is being discredited to prevent an historic study from being published that for the first time looks at vaccinated versus unvaccinated primates and compares health outcomes, with potentially devastating consequences for vaccine makers and public health officials.</blockquote>Jim, the detraction does not affect any legit, blind peer-review process.  Of course, several independent authoritative groups have independently found that his study was flawed.  They've even yanked his license in Britain.  That you would willingly deliver children into the care of someone not fit to practice in a first-world health care system (and I am aware that he still practices in the US) speaks poorly of your judgment.<br /><blockquote>It is our most sincere belief that Dr. Wakefield and parents of children with autism around the world are being subjected to a remarkable media campaign engineered by vaccine manufacturers reporting on the retraction of a paper published in The Lancet in 1998 by Dr. Wakefield and his colleagues.</blockquote>Jim, show me your evidence of that.  Your belief on its own is not worth a nutty shit.  And this strange accusation that there is a coordinated attack on parents is disingenuous in the extreme.  I mean, I have no doubt that you believe it, but you are mistaken.<br /><blockquote>The retraction from The Lancet was a response to a ruling from England’s General Medical Council, a kangaroo court where public health officials in the pocket of vaccine makers served as judge and jury. </blockquote>Show the money.  Seriously.  Show the influence.  Show the malfeasance.  Anything.  Are you blind to the fact that your boy, Wakefield, was on the payroll of someone who wanted the results he got with such a flawed study?  And to call the accrediting agency a kangaroo court shows that you have very poor understanding of kangaroos.<br /><blockquote>Dr. Wakefield strenuously denies all the findings of the GMC and plans a vigorous appeal.  </blockquote>And I hope he does appeal.  It'll be funny.  That's his right.  Most of the people involved with the study had already withdrawn their support for the paper.<br /><blockquote>Despite rampant misreporting, Dr. Wakefield’s original paper regarding 12 children with severe bowel disease and autism never rendered any judgment whatsoever on whether or not vaccines cause autism, and The Lancet’s retraction gets us no closer to understanding this complex issue.</blockquote>12 children!!!!!  THAT'S IT????? How the fuck did that get published?  I'll paraphrase Paul Offit from this morning: It is as easy for me to go out and find 12 kids with autism who have been vaccinated as it is for me to go out and find 12 kids with leukemia who have had peanut butter sandwiches.  It's far, far too small a sample size.  Yes, but his paper was crap and you hold it up.  And you still are.  What's your problem?<br /><blockquote>Dr. Wakefield is one of the world’s most respected and well-published gastroenterologists. </blockquote>Well, not in Britain.  And besides, <span style="font-style: italic;">nobody </span>respects gastroenterologists.<br /><blockquote>He has published dozens of papers since 1998 in well-regarded peer-reviewed journals all over the world. </blockquote>This has nothing to do with the validity of this study.<br /><blockquote>His work documenting the bowel disease of children with autism and his exploration of novel ways to treat bowel disease has helped relieve the pain and suffering of thousands of children with autism.</blockquote>This has nothing to do with the validity of the study.<br /><blockquote>For the past decade, parents in our community have been clamoring for a relatively simple scientific study that could settle the debate over the possible role of vaccines in the autism epidemic once and for all: compare children who have been vaccinated with children who have never received any vaccines and see if the rate of autism is different or the same.</blockquote>It's been done.  Repeatedly.<br /><blockquote>Few people are aware that this extremely important work has not only begun, but that a study using an animal model has already been completed exploring this topic in great detail.</blockquote>Still, it has nothing to do with the discredited study.<br /><blockquote>Dr. Wakefield is the co-author, along with eight other distinguished scientists from institutions like the University of Pittsburgh, the University of Kentucky, and the University of Washington, of a set of studies that explore the topic of vaccinated versus unvaccinated neurological outcomes using monkeys.<br /><br />The first phase of this monkey study was published three months ago in the prestigious medical journal Neurotoxicology, and focused on the first two weeks of life when the vaccinated monkeys received a single vaccine for Hepatitis B, mimicking the U.S. vaccine schedule. The results, which you can read for yourself <a href="http://fourteenstudies.org/pdf/primates_hep_b.pdf">HERE</a>, were disturbing. Vaccinated monkeys, unlike their unvaccinated peers, suffered the loss of many reflexes that are critical for survival.</blockquote>Dude.  There are 20 monkeys in this study.  There were only 12 subjects in his completely disgraced study.  Variation in a population of 20?  Hell, any variation, from disease or just natural variation will stick out.  I'm no rocket scientist, but I'm almost positive that you need much, much bigger samples.  You would have thought the last 12 years of derision would have improved his study design.  Apparently we're not ridiculing him enough.<br /><blockquote>Dr. Wakefield and his scientific colleagues are on the brink of publishing their entire study, which followed the monkeys through the U.S. childhood vaccine schedule over a multi-year period. It is our understanding that the difference in outcome for the vaccinated monkeys versus the unvaccinated controls is both stark and devastating.</blockquote>Jim!  Fucking spoilers!  Come on!  You're in the biz, bro.  You should know better.  There is a funny addendum at the end of this paper, if you can get through it:<br /><blockquote style="font-style: italic;">Prior to 2005, CS [Carol Scott] and AJW [Andrew J. Wakefield] acted as paid experts in MMR-related litigation on behalf of the court retained by the plaintiff Lawyers.  [Lead researcher Laura Hewitson] LH has a child who is a petitioner in the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.  For this reason, LH was not involved in any data collection or analyses to preclude the possibility of a perceived conflict of interest.</blockquote>To bad Andrew didn't disclose his staggering conflicts of interest before his <span style="font-style: italic;">first </span>study.  At the same time, if you aren't collecting or analyzing data, why do you get to be a lead author, I want to know?  The skeptical movement has found Hewitson's previous work underwhelming, as well.  Check out the <a href="http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=100">Science-Based Medicine Blog</a> for more about "sculpted" studies.<br /><blockquote>There is no question that the publication of the monkey study will lend substantial credibility to the theory that over-vaccination of young children is leading to neurological damage, including autism. </blockquote>Among idiots.<br /><blockquote>The fallout from the study for vaccine makers and public health officials could be severe. Having denied the possibility of the vaccine-autism connection for so long while profiting immensely from a recent boom in vaccine sales around the world, it’s no surprise that they would seek to repress this important work.</blockquote>Hold on.  My eyes have stuck in the back of my head.  Amazing I can type so well, isn't it?  You mean "suppress," subnorm.  You can't claim a conclusion (that there is a vaccine-autism link) when you yourself have said, only minutes ago: "parents in our community have been clamoring for a relatively simple scientific study that could settle the debate."  You don't have the authority.  <span style="font-style: italic;">You </span>admitted this.<br /><blockquote>Behind the scenes, the pressure to keep the work of Dr. Wakefield and his colleagues from being published is immense, and growing every day. Medical journals take extreme risk of backlash in publishing any studies that question the safety of the vaccination program, no matter how well-designed and thorough the research might be. Neurotoxicology, a highly-respected medical journal, deserves great credit for courageously publishing the first phase of this vaccinated monkey study.</blockquote>Do you mean that it is a study performed by vaccinated monkeys?  I can see that.  That <span style="font-style: italic;">would </span>take courage.  (Fuck at least the monkeys would be unbiased.) I have seen the journal, but I am not qualified to judge its standards, nor do I know anything about its reputation.  I will note that I was only able to find 4 articles from it (or something like it) on Medline, but I may be looking in the wrong places.<br /><blockquote>The press has been deeply misled in the way The Lancet retraction, and Dr. Wakefield’s mock trial, have been characterized. </blockquote>As the scrubbing of his credentials, and his shaming as a result of shoddy research methods?  It almost never happens.  It's real news it's so rare that we come across a researcher this bad with credentials to lose.<br /><blockquote>Led by the pharmaceutical companies and their well-compensated spokespeople, Dr. Wakefield is being vilified through a well-orchestrated smear campaign designed to prevent this important new work from seeing the light of day.</blockquote>Hey!  Big Pharma!  I want my paycheck, you tight-fisted pig-fisters!<br /><blockquote>What medical journal would want to step in front of this freight train? Moreover, why now, after 12 years of inaction, did The Lancet and GMC suddenly act? </blockquote>Well, the Lancet, not to its credit, has been engaged in a too long, too gradual process of distancing itself from the study.  Also, the schedule of the article's retraction has nothing to do with the validity of the study.  And <span style="font-style: italic;">you pointed out </span>that the Lancet article retraction was spawned by Wakefield's loss of credentials.  So, you've explained that.  Stop asking stupid fucking rhetorical questions with idiot conspiratorial overtones.  And these can't be conspiracies.  This is a highly public shaming we're talking about.  <blockquote>Is it coincidence that the monkey study is currently being submitted to medical journals for review and publication?</blockquote>I'm sure they were sitting on the retraction for 12 years just in case he came out with a monkey study.  Feeb.<br /><blockquote>We urge the media to take a close look at the first phase of the monkey study discussed above and to start asking a very simple question: What was the final outcome of the 14 primates that were vaccinated using the U.S. vaccine schedule and how did that compare to the unvaccinated controls?</blockquote>Too small a sample size.  You just can't draw any conclusions from this.  You can't.  Relying on the scientifically illiterate media to propagate your stupid adds nothing to your credibility.  The nice thing, of course, is that even the media understands a full retraction of the article.<br /><br />HJ<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/9070755194464338379-6104485975646993789?l=hjhop.blogspot.com' alt='' /></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>I don&#8217;t know which way I want this poll to go</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class="lead">Some guy named Gerard Alexander has an opinion piece in the Washington Post titled "<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/04/AR2010020403698.html?hpid=opinionsbox1">Why are liberals so condescending?</a>" I will say one thing in its favor: it gets to its point quickly and clearly in the first few sentences.</p>

<blockquote class="creationist"><p>Every political community includes some members who insist that their side has all the answers and that their adversaries are idiots. But American liberals, to a degree far surpassing conservatives, appear committed to the proposition that their views are correct, self-evident, and based on fact and reason, while conservative positions are not just wrong but illegitimate, ideological and unworthy of serious consideration.</p></blockquote>

<p>Unfortunately, it's downhill from there. He does demonstrate nicely that many liberals do categorize many conservatives as idiots, but he doesn't seem capable of addressing the question of <i>why</i> they think that. It's mostly a lot of waa-waa about the tone and how this attitude is an obstacle to politics.</p>

<p>He doesn't consider the obvious explanation that many conservatives are amazing idiots pursuing idiotic policies.</p>

<p>Seriously. Sarah Palin. 
<a href="http://canadiancynic.blogspot.com/2010/02/let-desperate-sarah-flavoured.html">Conservatives defending Palin's stupidities</a>. Republican candidates for the presidency who are certain that the earth is only 6000 years old. A Republican party dominated by the religious right.</p>

<p>Years ago, I would have considered Alexander to have a good point: that on some policies, such as economics, conservatives had something to contribute. But then they elected Reagan and Bush and the crowd of clowns in congress, and any claim to being a serious political party went out the window. They are the silly party now, and where they do the most damage is when pompous wankers demand that we treat them seriously simply because they are the conservative party we've got. No, we shouldn't: we should laugh them out of office until they come up with candidates who aren't stupid shills.</p>

<p>So I'm divided on the poll accompanying the article.</p>

<blockquote class="creationist"><p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/04/AR2010020403698.html?hpid=opinionsbox1">Who is more condescending?</a></p>
<p>They're both impossible 12%<br />
Conservatives 22%<br />
Liberals 66%</p></blockquote>

<p>It's really just an attempt to tar liberals with another insult &#8212; ironic for an article that is so condescendingly disparaging liberal tone &#8212; but it's also true. We are more condescending. Because most conservatives are so deserving of condescension.</p> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/i_dont_know_which_way_i_want_t.php#commentsArea">Read the comments on this post...</a><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/scienceblogs/pharyngula/~4/kb1W1nnb5a0" height="1"/>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="lead">Some guy named Gerard Alexander has an opinion piece in the Washington Post titled "<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/04/AR2010020403698.html?hpid=opinionsbox1">Why are liberals so condescending?</a>" I will say one thing in its favor: it gets to its point quickly and clearly in the first few sentences.</p>

<blockquote class="creationist"><p>Every political community includes some members who insist that their side has all the answers and that their adversaries are idiots. But American liberals, to a degree far surpassing conservatives, appear committed to the proposition that their views are correct, self-evident, and based on fact and reason, while conservative positions are not just wrong but illegitimate, ideological and unworthy of serious consideration.</p></blockquote>

<p>Unfortunately, it's downhill from there. He does demonstrate nicely that many liberals do categorize many conservatives as idiots, but he doesn't seem capable of addressing the question of <i>why</i> they think that. It's mostly a lot of waa-waa about the tone and how this attitude is an obstacle to politics.</p>

<p>He doesn't consider the obvious explanation that many conservatives are amazing idiots pursuing idiotic policies.</p>

<p>Seriously. Sarah Palin. 
<a href="http://canadiancynic.blogspot.com/2010/02/let-desperate-sarah-flavoured.html">Conservatives defending Palin's stupidities</a>. Republican candidates for the presidency who are certain that the earth is only 6000 years old. A Republican party dominated by the religious right.</p>

<p>Years ago, I would have considered Alexander to have a good point: that on some policies, such as economics, conservatives had something to contribute. But then they elected Reagan and Bush and the crowd of clowns in congress, and any claim to being a serious political party went out the window. They are the silly party now, and where they do the most damage is when pompous wankers demand that we treat them seriously simply because they are the conservative party we've got. No, we shouldn't: we should laugh them out of office until they come up with candidates who aren't stupid shills.</p>

<p>So I'm divided on the poll accompanying the article.</p>

<blockquote class="creationist"><p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/04/AR2010020403698.html?hpid=opinionsbox1">Who is more condescending?</a></p>
<p>They're both impossible 12%<br />
Conservatives 22%<br />
Liberals 66%</p></blockquote>

<p>It's really just an attempt to tar liberals with another insult &mdash; ironic for an article that is so condescendingly disparaging liberal tone &mdash; but it's also true. We are more condescending. Because most conservatives are so deserving of condescension.</p> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/i_dont_know_which_way_i_want_t.php#commentsArea">Read the comments on this post...</a><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/scienceblogs/pharyngula/~4/kb1W1nnb5a0" height="1" width="1"/>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Spinning exoneration of Dr. Michael Mann Into “Whitewash”</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have read the full report of this inquiry Concerning the Allegations of Research Misconduct Against Dr. Michael E. Mann and find the whole business interesting. Here are my reasons &#8211; quotes are from the report:
1: No specific charges for Mann to confront
Instead the University had received:
&#8220;numerous communications (emails, phone calls and letters) accusing Dr. [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=openparachute.wordpress.com&#38;blog=1126735&#38;post=7340&#38;subd=openparachute&#38;ref=&#38;feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<br /><div id="attachment_7032" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 220px"><a href="http://openparachute.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/mann.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-7032" title="Mann" src="http://openparachute.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/mann.jpg?w=210&#038;h=284" alt="" width="210" height="284" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Dr Michael Mann, Penn State University</p></div>
<p>I have read the full report of this inquiry <a href="http://www.research.psu.edu/orp/Findings_Mann_Inquiry.pdf">Concerning the Allegations of Research Misconduct Against Dr. Michael E. Mann</a> and find the whole business interesting. Here are my reasons &#8211; quotes are from the report:</p>
<h2>1: No specific charges for Mann to confront</h2>
<p>Instead the University had received:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;numerous communications (emails, phone calls and letters) accusing Dr. Michael E. Mann of having engaged in acts that included manipulating data, destroying records and colluding to hamper the progress of scientific discourse around the issue of anthropogenic global warming from approximately 1998. These accusations were based on perceptions of the content of the widely reported theft of emails from a server at the <a class="zem_slink" title="Climatic Research Unit" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit">Climatic Research Unit</a> of the University of East Anglia in Great Britain.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p><span id="more-7340"></span>So, all sorts of wild claims were being made as part of the hysterical fall out from &#8220;climategate&#8221; &#8211; the illegal release of emails in the UK. This was promoted by conservative bloggers and media outlets, by the deniersphere&#8217;s echo chamber.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;&#8230;.. no formal allegations accusing Dr. Mann of research misconduct were submitted to any University official</em> <em>&#8230;the emails and other communications were reviewed [and] synthesized [into] the following four formal allegations.  &#8230;. The four synthesized allegations were as follows:&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>1. Did you engage in, or participate in, directly or indirectly, any actions with the intent to suppress or falsify data?</em></p>
<p><em>2. Did you engage in, or participate in, directly or indirectly, any actions with the intent to delete, conceal or otherwise destroy emails, information and/or data, related to AR4, as suggested by <a class="zem_slink" title="Phil Jones (climatologist)" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Jones_%28climatologist%29">Phil Jones</a>?<br />
3. Did you engage in, or participate in, directly or indirectly, any misuse of privileged or confidential information available to you in your capacity as an academic scholar?<br />
4. Did you engage in, or participate in, directly or indirectly, any actions that seriously deviated from accepted practices within the academic community.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>So &#8211; no formal charges or accusations. This forced the inquiry to synthesis their own from implied accusations from the deluge of hysterical emails and comments. They were not accusations of the inquiry or the University themselves!</p>
<h2>2: No evidence to substantiate allegations</h2>
<p>None at all. Not for any of the four allegations! The report discusses each accusation and detail and gives it&#8217;s clear finding that <em>&#8220;there is no substance for this allegation.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Naturally Dr Mann <a href="http://www.essc.psu.edu/essc_web/news/MannInquiryStatement.html" >expressed pleasure </a>at the result:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;I am very pleased that, after a thorough review, the independent Penn State committee found no evidence to support any of the allegations against me.  &#8230;. </em><em>This is very much the vindication I expected since I am confident I have done nothing wrong.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>This does sort of expose the hysterical &#8220;climategate&#8221; beat up for what it was, doesn&#8217;t it. We can seriously discuss deficiencies in the way scientists at the University of East Anglia handled freedom of information requests, how they should be disciplined for this, etc.,  because there are specific charges and evidence. But the <strong>witch hunt</strong> against individuals like Dr Mann is exposed as hysterical hot air.</p>
<h2>3: Further investigation by peers required</h2>
<p>This was jumped on by some of the most biased commenters to claim a denier victory. Locally, conspiracy theorist Ian Wishart, claimed the inquiry was &#8220;widening &#8220;(<a rel="nofollow" href="http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2010/02/hockeysticks-michael-mann-under-deeper-investigation.html">Hockey-stick&#8217;s Michael Mann under deeper investigation</a>). Blogger Poneke claimed <a rel="nofollow" href="http://poneke.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/gate-2/">Hockey stick fabricator Michael Mann to face further scrutiny in the wake of Climategate emails leak</a>. Similar headlines appeared overseas and in the twittersphere.</p>
<p>However, this was simply a result of the inquiry committee finding itself unable to make a definitive finding on accusation 4 (deviation from accepted practices within the academic community for research). The decided this requited a &#8220;review by a committee of faculty scientists.&#8221; Clearly they saw that anything short of this would be seen as a whitewash saying: <em>&#8220;Only with such a review will the academic community and other interested parties likely feel that Penn State has discharged it responsibility on this matter.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Consequently an investigatory committee of five faculty members <em>&#8220;with impeccable credentials&#8221; </em>was set up and will report back within 120 days.</p>
<p>This will of course add extra reliability to Mann&#8217;s vindication. He commented &#8220;<em>I fully support the additional inquiry which may be the best way to remove any lingering doubts. I intend to cooperate fully in this matter – as I have since the beginning of the process.</em>&#8220;</p>
<p>You can find the full report of the inquiry panel here: <a href="http://www.research.psu.edu/orp/Findings_Mann_Inquiry.pdf">Concerning the Allegations of Research Misconduct Against Dr. Michael E. Mann</a></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong>See also:</strong></span><br />
<a href="http://openparachute.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/climate-change-deniers-tawdry-manipulation-of-hockey-sticks/">Climate change deniers’ tawdry manipulation of “hockey sticks”</a><br />
<a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/breaking-penn-state-finds-no-evidence-against-michael-mann">Breaking: Penn State inquiry finds no evidence for allegations against Michael Mann</a><br />
<a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/climate-skeptics-try-spin-penn-state-exoneration-dr-michael-mann-%E2%80%9Cwhitewash%E2%80%9D?utm_source=twitterfeed&amp;utm_medium=twitter">Brendan Demelle | Climate Skeptics Try To Spin Penn State Exoneration of Dr. Michael Mann Into “Whitewash”</a>.<br />
<a href="http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/28/climategate-michael-mann-hockey-stick-copenhagen-diagnosis/">Michael Mann updates the world on the latest climate science and responds to the illegally hacked emails</a><br />
<a href="http://climateprogress.org/2008/09/03/sorry-deniers-hockey-stick-gets-longer-stronger-earth-hotter-now-than-in-past-2000-years/">Sorry deniers, hockey stick gets longer, stronger: Earth hotter now than in past 2,000 years</a><br />
<a href="http://climateprogress.org/2009/09/03/science-study-hockey-stick-human-caused-arctic-warming-overtakes-natural-cooling/">Human-caused Arctic warming overtakes 2,000 years of natural cooling, “seminal” study finds</a><br />
<a href="http://climateprogress.org/2010/02/07/abandoning-all-journalistic-standards-cbs-libels-michael-mann-based-on-a-youtube-video-while-reporting-his-exoneration/">Abandoning all journalistic standards, CBS libels Michael Mann based on a YouTube video — while reporting his exoneration!</a></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class="lead">Sarah Palin gave a $100K speech to a convention of teabagging wankers, she faced a few pre-screened, prepared questions, and what did she need? She had to have the <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/02/08/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry6185820.shtml">answers written on her hand ahead of time</a>!</p>

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<p>Here's what gets me the most, though. She didn't have a cheat sheet of wonky little details, stuff that would be hard to keep straight and important to get exactly right. No, she had to write down the <i>three most important goals for a conservative majority</i>. What, she's shaky on <i>that</i>?</p>

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<blockquote class="creationist">Energy<br /><s>Budget</s> cuts<br />Tax<br />Lift Americans<br />Spirits</blockquote>

<p>Man, next time I go off to give a talk, I'm going to get a sharpie and write "Science. Evolution. Anti-creationism." on my left hand, in case I get asked what I'm going to talk about. 'Cause I might forget, you know.</p>

<p>And then I'm going to ask for a few thousand dollars. And the presidency. All right, I'm not going to be greedy &#8212; the vice-presidency will do.</p> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/ms_palin_you_fail.php#commentsArea">Read the comments on this post...</a><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/scienceblogs/pharyngula/~4/n7Nrc5PzRZg" height="1"/>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="lead">Sarah Palin gave a $100K speech to a convention of teabagging wankers, she faced a few pre-screened, prepared questions, and what did she need? She had to have the <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/02/08/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry6185820.shtml">answers written on her hand ahead of time</a>!</p>

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<p>Here's what gets me the most, though. She didn't have a cheat sheet of wonky little details, stuff that would be hard to keep straight and important to get exactly right. No, she had to write down the <i>three most important goals for a conservative majority</i>. What, she's shaky on <i>that</i>?</p>

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<blockquote class="creationist">Energy<br /><s>Budget</s> cuts<br />Tax<br />Lift Americans<br />Spirits</blockquote>

<p>Man, next time I go off to give a talk, I'm going to get a sharpie and write "Science. Evolution. Anti-creationism." on my left hand, in case I get asked what I'm going to talk about. 'Cause I might forget, you know.</p>

<p>And then I'm going to ask for a few thousand dollars. And the presidency. All right, I'm not going to be greedy &mdash; the vice-presidency will do.</p> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/ms_palin_you_fail.php#commentsArea">Read the comments on this post...</a><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/scienceblogs/pharyngula/~4/n7Nrc5PzRZg" height="1" width="1"/>]]></content:encoded>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class="lead">I have arrived in Minneapolis, with a mere 3 hour drive to get home. However, I have also arrived home to a serious snowstorm, so I've been holed up in a hotel all night and am waiting for the stuff to clear a bit this afternoon. It's aggravating.</p>

<p>And you guys have stuffed another <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/oh_no_im_full_of_guinness_youv.php">everlasting thread entry</a> with comments! Let's start again.</p>

<p>This is a nice video that just keeps chugging along and also gives a glimpse of what it looks like out here in Minnesota right now. Except that I really, really wish I could get on a wonderfully civilized train and set off for home, instead of the barbarity of driving a car.</p>

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="lead">I have arrived in Minneapolis, with a mere 3 hour drive to get home. However, I have also arrived home to a serious snowstorm, so I've been holed up in a hotel all night and am waiting for the stuff to clear a bit this afternoon. It's aggravating.</p>

<p>And you guys have stuffed another <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/oh_no_im_full_of_guinness_youv.php">everlasting thread entry</a> with comments! Let's start again.</p>

<p>This is a nice video that just keeps chugging along and also gives a glimpse of what it looks like out here in Minnesota right now. Except that I really, really wish I could get on a wonderfully civilized train and set off for home, instead of the barbarity of driving a car.</p>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">The Thinking Atheist has made another great animated video. This time he explains the &#8220;real life&#8221; implications of Noah and the flood.</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><em><a href="http://lifewithoutfaith.com" >Brother Richard</a></em></p>

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		<title>It isn&#8217;t an exclusionary filter, it&#8217;s a standard of quality</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class="lead">In my week long visit to Ireland, I only had one encounter that left a bad taste in my mouth. Everyone I talked to was forthright and willing to state their views clearly, even if I thought they were dead wrong and rather stupid (my radio interview with <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDPkS0Agxzs">Tom</a> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n_GcoozpMs">McGurk</a> comes to mind &#8212; he was an unpleasant person more interested in barking loudly than having a conversation, but his views were plain), and most of my conversations were fun and interesting. The one exception was with a creationist in Belfast.</p>

<p>After my talk, this one furtive fellow who hadn't had the nerve, apparently, to ask me anything in the public Q&#38;A, came down front to confront me with his, errm, 'irrefutable' argument, which came straight from Answers in Genesis. I later learned that he's one of the leaders of a creationist organization on campus.</p>

<p>He first declared that creationists and evolutionists all use the same evidence, we just differ in our presuppositions. AiG makes this claim all the time, and it's complete nonsense. The creationists <i>deny</i> almost all of the evidence, using their catch-all excuse: if it contradicts the Bible, it is false. It's not just a difference in starting premises, but a willingness on the part of the faith-based crowd to stick their fingers in their ears and shout "LA-LA-LA" at the majority of the reality-based evidence.</p>

<p>The only way to call it merely a difference in presuppositions is if they're willing to admit that their fundamental presupposition is an unthinking obtusity.</p>

<p>That was just his prelude, though. His real goal was to try and trap me. He asked me if I admitted that the scientific position demands that we reject all alternative explanations &#8212; whether we can consider supernatural causes. I've thought about this before, and I told him no. I <i>am</i> willing to consider other possibilities, if someone provides a useful, testable, confirmable means for evaluating truth claims.</p>

<p>Then I asked him what alternative method to science he was suggesting.</p>

<p>He didn't give me one &#8212; he simply announced with a grin that he was just confirming that I automatically rejected alternative explanations, and as I repeated my simple statement, that no, I did not, but that he was obligated to explain what his alternative might be &#8212; after all, I reject tarot cards and entrails-reading as methods for interpreting the world, and it's a bit silly to pretend that I should have blanket acceptance of just any alternative method without telling me what it is &#8212; he thanked me for <i>confirming</i> his opinion and the sneaky little git scuttled away.</p>

<p>That's what I detest most. Lying weasels who won't listen honestly, and especially won't even speak honestly.</p>

<p>Anyway, what brought up this recollection was an <a href="http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2010/02/methodological-naturalism.html">interesting post on Sandwalk on methodological naturalism</a>. It nicely points out that there is a convention in the scientific community that treats methodological naturalism as a straitjacket that arbitrarily binds us. I don't think that's true at all.</p>

<blockquote><p>The principle of MN is often conceived of as an intrinsic and self-imposed limitation of science, as something that is part and parcel of the scientific enterprise by definition. According to this view (Intrinsic MN or IMN) - which is defended by people like Eugenie Scott, Michael Ruse and Robert Pennock and has been adopted in the ruling of Judge John E. Jones III in the Kitzmiller vs. Dover case - science is simply not equipped to deal with the supernatural and therefore has no authority on the issue. It is clear that this depiction of science and MN offers some perspectives for reconciling science and religion. Not surprisingly, IMN is often embraced by those sympathetic to religion, or by those who wish to alleviate the sometimes heated opposition between the two.
</p><p>
However, we will argue that this view of MN does not offer a sound rationale for the rejection of supernatural explanations. Alternatively, we will defend MN as a provisory and empirically grounded commitment of scientists to naturalistic causes and explanations, which is in principle revocable by future scientific findings (Qualified MN or QMN). In this view, MN is justified as a methodological guideline by virtue of the dividends of naturalistic explanation and the consistent failure of supernatural explanations in the history of science.</p></blockquote>

<p>I think science is primarily a pragmatic approach that takes whatever tools work to build a better (as evaluated by testing against real-world observations) understanding of how the universe works. My major objection to creationism isn't that it violates a set of dogmatic rules established by scientists playing a formal game, but that it provides no working alternative that I can use. The creationists mistake a series of assertions about history for a bank of operational <i>methods</i> for creating and answering new questions about the world.</p>

<p>Exclusion isn't quite the right word for what we're doing. Science's job is to fill up the silos of the world with the grain of useful information, and we've found that applying the principles of the scientific method and operating under the guidelines of methodological naturalism means we're productive: we can keep trundling up with wagonloads of corn and wheat and rice. The creationists are showing up with broken-down, essentially empty carts, containing nothing but chaff, a few dirt clods, and some fragrant manure, and they're being turned away because they have <i>nothing to contribute</i>. You're not being excluded if you have nothing to offer.</p>

<p>I imagine that Belfast creationist went back to his clique of ignorant pissants with a sense of triumph, and proudly announced that I had dogmaticly refused to include his offering of hot air and dust as nutritious and fit for a feast, and therefore was yet another tool of the establishment who unfairly discriminated against their way of knowing. Sorry, guy; a wealth of ignorance is  no substitute for even a grain of knowledge.</p>

<hr /><p>Oh, cool: somebody standing there actually <a href="http://j.mp/cgdcee">recorded the conversation in question</a>.</p> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/it_isnt_an_exclusionary_filter.php#commentsArea">Read the comments on this post...</a><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/scienceblogs/pharyngula/~4/WiX4oGIQzUk" height="1"/>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="lead">In my week long visit to Ireland, I only had one encounter that left a bad taste in my mouth. Everyone I talked to was forthright and willing to state their views clearly, even if I thought they were dead wrong and rather stupid (my radio interview with <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDPkS0Agxzs">Tom</a> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n_GcoozpMs">McGurk</a> comes to mind &mdash; he was an unpleasant person more interested in barking loudly than having a conversation, but his views were plain), and most of my conversations were fun and interesting. The one exception was with a creationist in Belfast.</p>

<p>After my talk, this one furtive fellow who hadn't had the nerve, apparently, to ask me anything in the public Q&amp;A, came down front to confront me with his, errm, 'irrefutable' argument, which came straight from Answers in Genesis. I later learned that he's one of the leaders of a creationist organization on campus.</p>

<p>He first declared that creationists and evolutionists all use the same evidence, we just differ in our presuppositions. AiG makes this claim all the time, and it's complete nonsense. The creationists <i>deny</i> almost all of the evidence, using their catch-all excuse: if it contradicts the Bible, it is false. It's not just a difference in starting premises, but a willingness on the part of the faith-based crowd to stick their fingers in their ears and shout "LA-LA-LA" at the majority of the reality-based evidence.</p>

<p>The only way to call it merely a difference in presuppositions is if they're willing to admit that their fundamental presupposition is an unthinking obtusity.</p>

<p>That was just his prelude, though. His real goal was to try and trap me. He asked me if I admitted that the scientific position demands that we reject all alternative explanations &mdash; whether we can consider supernatural causes. I've thought about this before, and I told him no. I <i>am</i> willing to consider other possibilities, if someone provides a useful, testable, confirmable means for evaluating truth claims.</p>

<p>Then I asked him what alternative method to science he was suggesting.</p>

<p>He didn't give me one &mdash; he simply announced with a grin that he was just confirming that I automatically rejected alternative explanations, and as I repeated my simple statement, that no, I did not, but that he was obligated to explain what his alternative might be &mdash; after all, I reject tarot cards and entrails-reading as methods for interpreting the world, and it's a bit silly to pretend that I should have blanket acceptance of just any alternative method without telling me what it is &mdash; he thanked me for <i>confirming</i> his opinion and the sneaky little git scuttled away.</p>

<p>That's what I detest most. Lying weasels who won't listen honestly, and especially won't even speak honestly.</p>

<p>Anyway, what brought up this recollection was an <a href="http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2010/02/methodological-naturalism.html">interesting post on Sandwalk on methodological naturalism</a>. It nicely points out that there is a convention in the scientific community that treats methodological naturalism as a straitjacket that arbitrarily binds us. I don't think that's true at all.</p>

<blockquote><p>The principle of MN is often conceived of as an intrinsic and self-imposed limitation of science, as something that is part and parcel of the scientific enterprise by definition. According to this view (Intrinsic MN or IMN) - which is defended by people like Eugenie Scott, Michael Ruse and Robert Pennock and has been adopted in the ruling of Judge John E. Jones III in the Kitzmiller vs. Dover case - science is simply not equipped to deal with the supernatural and therefore has no authority on the issue. It is clear that this depiction of science and MN offers some perspectives for reconciling science and religion. Not surprisingly, IMN is often embraced by those sympathetic to religion, or by those who wish to alleviate the sometimes heated opposition between the two.
</p><p>
However, we will argue that this view of MN does not offer a sound rationale for the rejection of supernatural explanations. Alternatively, we will defend MN as a provisory and empirically grounded commitment of scientists to naturalistic causes and explanations, which is in principle revocable by future scientific findings (Qualified MN or QMN). In this view, MN is justified as a methodological guideline by virtue of the dividends of naturalistic explanation and the consistent failure of supernatural explanations in the history of science.</p></blockquote>

<p>I think science is primarily a pragmatic approach that takes whatever tools work to build a better (as evaluated by testing against real-world observations) understanding of how the universe works. My major objection to creationism isn't that it violates a set of dogmatic rules established by scientists playing a formal game, but that it provides no working alternative that I can use. The creationists mistake a series of assertions about history for a bank of operational <i>methods</i> for creating and answering new questions about the world.</p>

<p>Exclusion isn't quite the right word for what we're doing. Science's job is to fill up the silos of the world with the grain of useful information, and we've found that applying the principles of the scientific method and operating under the guidelines of methodological naturalism means we're productive: we can keep trundling up with wagonloads of corn and wheat and rice. The creationists are showing up with broken-down, essentially empty carts, containing nothing but chaff, a few dirt clods, and some fragrant manure, and they're being turned away because they have <i>nothing to contribute</i>. You're not being excluded if you have nothing to offer.</p>

<p>I imagine that Belfast creationist went back to his clique of ignorant pissants with a sense of triumph, and proudly announced that I had dogmaticly refused to include his offering of hot air and dust as nutritious and fit for a feast, and therefore was yet another tool of the establishment who unfairly discriminated against their way of knowing. Sorry, guy; a wealth of ignorance is  no substitute for even a grain of knowledge.</p>

<hr /><p>Oh, cool: somebody standing there actually <a href="http://j.mp/cgdcee">recorded the conversation in question</a>.</p> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/it_isnt_an_exclusionary_filter.php#commentsArea">Read the comments on this post...</a><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/scienceblogs/pharyngula/~4/WiX4oGIQzUk" height="1" width="1"/>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Abortion versus Miscarriage : A Bad dream.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<img src='http://greensboring.com/download/file.php?id=4680' width='200'/><br />Liv said...<br /><br /><br />So Shannon wakes up this morning to tell me about a dream in which I'm pregnant. Apparently for months it doesn't move and then we discover it's a calcified piece of pizza. She woke up laughing so hard she started crying. She says she felt sorry for me, all the while apparently I had miscarried my lunch. <br /><br />On the other side of the coin I had a dream I was sleeping on a plane bound for London, and I was making plans for what I'd do when I landed. I was so excited when I woke up to get through customs I made it half way down the hall before I tripped over the dog and realized I'm actually waking up in my house... not a plane.<br /><br />...but what I really don't get is these people who have 12 miscarriages yet are starkly against abortion. I'm not anyone to tell anybody what to do with their body, but after 3 or 4 times shouldn't you give up and adopt? More importantly by their own definition, if abortions are killing itty bitty babies, isn't your miscarriage making your little children suffer their deaths over and over again? Isn't it the same thing? How can these fruity mothers who apparently just didn't win the evolutionary lotto of reproduction able to justify a decade long attempt at arguing with the obvious: they're not going to reproduce, just continue to abort/miscarriage. I mean, I get it. You want kids. You want them to be yours. But how do you stand and say abortion is killing babies, when you're doing the same thing over and over, and over, and over?<div style="width:600px;margin:10px"><br />    <p><b>Similar Articles:</b><li><a href="http://greensboring.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&#38;t=10737">Doctor Trains Staff for Late-Term Abortion</a></li><li><a href="http://greensboring.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&#38;t=10681">Surprising Results on Abortion and Religiosity</a></li><li><a href="http://greensboring.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&#38;t=11626">American Versus British Chocolate.</a></li><li><a href="http://greensboring.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&#38;t=11284">Osama Versus Obama</a></li><li><a href="http://greensboring.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&#38;t=7992">Evolution: 24 myths and misconceptions</a></li></p></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<img src='http://greensboring.com/download/file.php?id=4680' width='200'/><br />Liv said...<br /><br /><br />So Shannon wakes up this morning to tell me about a dream in which I'm pregnant. Apparently for months it doesn't move and then we discover it's a calcified piece of pizza. She woke up laughing so hard she started crying. She says she felt sorry for me, all the while apparently I had miscarried my lunch. <br /><br />On the other side of the coin I had a dream I was sleeping on a plane bound for London, and I was making plans for what I'd do when I landed. I was so excited when I woke up to get through customs I made it half way down the hall before I tripped over the dog and realized I'm actually waking up in my house... not a plane.<br /><br />...but what I really don't get is these people who have 12 miscarriages yet are starkly against abortion. I'm not anyone to tell anybody what to do with their body, but after 3 or 4 times shouldn't you give up and adopt? More importantly by their own definition, if abortions are killing itty bitty babies, isn't your miscarriage making your little children suffer their deaths over and over again? Isn't it the same thing? How can these fruity mothers who apparently just didn't win the evolutionary lotto of reproduction able to justify a decade long attempt at arguing with the obvious: they're not going to reproduce, just continue to abort/miscarriage. I mean, I get it. You want kids. You want them to be yours. But how do you stand and say abortion is killing babies, when you're doing the same thing over and over, and over, and over?<div style="align:left; width:600px; margin:10px;"><br />    <p><b>Similar Articles:</b><li><a href="http://greensboring.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=10737">Doctor Trains Staff for Late-Term Abortion</a></li><li><a href="http://greensboring.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=10681">Surprising Results on Abortion and Religiosity</a></li><li><a href="http://greensboring.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=11626">American Versus British Chocolate.</a></li><li><a href="http://greensboring.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=11284">Osama Versus Obama</a></li><li><a href="http://greensboring.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=7992">Evolution: 24 myths and misconceptions</a></li></p></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Mary&#8217;s Monday Metazoan: Fishing</title>
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<p>You can also <a href="http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/video/player?titleID=1579853604#/?titleID=sailfish-baitballs&#38;catID=1">watch sailfish fishing</a>.</p>

<p>(via <a href="http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/09/sailfish/nicklen-photography">National Geographic</a>)</p> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/marys_monday_metazoan_fishing.php#commentsArea">Read the comments on this post...</a><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/scienceblogs/pharyngula/~4/FGFvgQazqXw" height="1"/>]]></description>
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<p>You can also <a href="http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/video/player?titleID=1579853604#/?titleID=sailfish-baitballs&catID=1">watch sailfish fishing</a>.</p>

<p>(via <a href="http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/09/sailfish/nicklen-photography">National Geographic</a>)</p> <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/marys_monday_metazoan_fishing.php#commentsArea">Read the comments on this post...</a><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/scienceblogs/pharyngula/~4/FGFvgQazqXw" height="1" width="1"/>]]></content:encoded>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over the weekend, I stumbled across the cover of the new issue of People on a library table:
 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the weekend, I stumbled across the cover of the new issue of <em>People</em> on a library table:</p>
<p><center><a href="http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20339922,00.html"><img src="http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/People-magazine-cover-Duggars-How-many-kids-are-too-many-thumb-300x398-9137.jpg" alt="" title="DuggarPeople" width="299" height="398" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-21298" /></a></center> </p>
<p>19 kids&#8230;?  My eyes wanted to bulge at the sight of that number, but they stopped doing that when the number hit double digits.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s just not a surprise anymore.</p>
<p>The question on the cover is &#8220;How Many Kids Are Too Many?&#8221;  (Really, <em>People</em> magazine, it took you <em>19</em> kids to ask this question???)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really easy to <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/skyzyx/249270409/sizes/o/">bash the Duggars</a> for their reproductive fortitude.  I know I&#8217;ve done it in the past &#8212; just because you <em>can</em> have so many children doesn&#8217;t mean you <em>should</em> have so many children &#8212; but I&#8217;m starting to change my mind.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard people go after the Duggars for a number of reasons:</p>
<ul>
<li>They have too many kids.</li>
<li>It&#8217;s unhealthy for the mom. </li>
<li>It&#8217;s bad for the individual children.</li>
<li>The media glare (from their TV show) is bad for the little kids.</li>
<li>The overpopulation aspect &#8212; If other families did what they did, this world would go haywire in a matter of generations.  It&#8217;s irresponsible of them to have so many children!</li>
<li>They instill (brainwash) fundamentalist Christian values into the children.</li>
<li>The children are forced to give up their own youth to care for their younger siblings. (Though none seem to mind.)</li>
<li>They&#8217;re ruining the letter J for the rest of us.</li>
<li>If my math is correct, in a few generations, all of us will have a Duggar in our family.</li>
</ul>
<p>But the Duggars are not like the <strong><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadya_Suleman">Octomom</a></strong>, who is trying to raise 14 children as a single mom while unemployed and on public assistance.  They&#8217;re not desperately trying to hog the spotlight.  (Really.  I mean that.  Despite their level of publicity, the Duggars don&#8217;t strike me as media-whores in the same way that <strong><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_%26_Kate_Plus_8">Jon and Kate</a></strong> do.)  The family&#8217;s health also seems to be pretty good overall (the most recent child was born premature, but I don&#8217;t think the age of the mother or the number of previous births has anything to do with that.)</p>
<p>There are some arguments to silence the critics:</p>
<ul>
<li>They&#8217;re not in debt.  (No doubt <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19_Kids_and_Counting">their TV show</a> helps with that.)</li>
<li>As far as I can tell, they&#8217;re supporting themselves.  (<strong>Jim Bob Duggar</strong> was a state representative in Arkansas for a couple years, and I&#8217;ve heard this entitles his family to free health care for life, but I can&#8217;t find a credible citation for this.  Their house is paid for, too, partly because it was previously incorporated as a tax-exempt &#8220;church&#8221; &#8212; again, I can&#8217;t find a credible citation for this.) </li>
<li>The kids seem to be good citizens, not getting into any trouble with the law.</li>
<li>The parents seem to care for the children as much as you would want any parent to &#8212; it would be <em>easy</em> to find examples of one-child parents who don&#8217;t have the connection to their kid as much as the Duggars do to each of theirs.</li>
<li>The Duggars are in a committed relationship (unlike <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8502229.stm">this dude</a> with 19 kids).</li>
<li>While some Quiverfull women have left the movement, <strong>Michelle Duggar</strong> appears willing and able to be giving birth to so many kids.</li>
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<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s the problem?</p>
<p>I doubt anyone would ever want our government instituting some law about how many kids a family should be allowed to have.</p>
<p>We argue that women should have the right to do as she wishes with their bodies&#8230; and this is a woman doing just that.</p>
<p>The best argument I&#8217;ve heard has to do with the older children having to give up their lives to take care of the younger children, but this doesn&#8217;t strike me as too awful.  The kids are happy to be helping out their family in this way.  </p>
<p>You can argue they&#8217;re giving up their individuality, or giving up a social life, but even with a couple kids, this isn&#8217;t too far off from what &#8220;regular&#8221; Christian homeschooling families do.  Don&#8217;t like it?  That&#8217;s an argument against Christian homeschooling, not this particular family.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t like that they&#8217;re raising the kids with their particular brand of religion?  That&#8217;s an argument against fundamentalist Christianity, not this particular family.</p>
<p>Is Michelle just brainwashed into doing all this?  Again, it&#8217;s an argument against faith, not specific to just this family.</p>
<p>Maybe we should just salute the Duggars for (ironically) winning the game of evolution&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Incidentally, my interview with <strong>Kathryn Joyce</strong>, author of <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0807010707?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=wwwfriendlyat-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=390957&#038;creativeASIN=0807010707">Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement</a></em>, can be <a href="http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/03/25/interview-with-kathryn-joyce-author-of-quiverfull/">found here</a>.  It describes the type of lifestyle the Duggars have chosen to follow.<br />
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		<title>What Is Secularism?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This month, I want to write about some words important to the atheist movement that are frequently misused and abused by religious apologists. The first of these words is secularism.
In the rhetoric of spokespeople for the religious right, secularism is often assumed to be the desire to ban all forms of religious expression from public [...]]]></description>
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		<title>NPR covers the Wakefield debacle</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Would I Still Be an Atheist?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[by Jesse Galef &#8211; 
Overcoming personal bias can be one of the most difficult tasks in searching for the truth.  The particular experiences and influences in our lives are &#8211; to a large degree &#8211; out of our control and yet they play a huge role in shaping our beliefs.  And it&#8217;s not [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>by Jesse Galef &#8211; </em></p>
<p><img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; width: 143px; height: 122px; float: right;" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/ScarletA.png" alt="" />Overcoming personal bias can be one of the most difficult tasks in searching for the truth.  The particular experiences and influences in our lives are &#8211; to a large degree &#8211; out of our control and yet they play a huge role in shaping our beliefs.  And it&#8217;s not as though we can reboot our lives, remove the biasing agent, and see what we end up believing (we would also have to do it a few hundred times so we can get a decent confidence interval).</p>
<p>A first step is acknowledging our biasing factors, but how do we wrap our minds around it?   Alicorn at Less Wrong <a href="http://lesswrong.com/lw/1r1/epistemic_luck/" >gives a great example</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>During one of my epistemology classes, my professor admitted (I can&#8217;t recall the context) that his opinions on the topic would probably be different had he attended a different graduate school.</p>
<p>What a peculiar thing for an epistemologist to admit!</p>
<p>Of course, on the one hand, he&#8217;s almost certainly right.  Schools have their cultures, their traditional views, their favorite literature providers, their set of available teachers&#8230;<br />
&lt;snip&gt;<br />
But on the other hand&#8230; but&#8230; but&#8230;</p>
<p>But how can he say that, and look so undubiously at the views he picked up this way?</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s an uncomfortable position.  Now, for all I know, the professor was discussing preferences and not an objective truth claim.  I don&#8217;t have as big of a problem with the notion that, had I been raised in the South, I would find grits more delicious than waffles (how absurd!).  It&#8217;s more of a problem when we acknowledge that personal factors are affecting our so-called universal claims of objective truth.</p>
<p>As usual, my mind took the question to religion.  Most people continue to believe the religion they were taught as a child.  As it happens, I was raised in a secular household without much discussion of God and grew up to be an atheist.  But let&#8217;s revisit the scenario in which I was raised in the South (eating foul grits).  If I had been raised by Evangelical Christians would I still be an atheist today?  It&#8217;s conceivable that I would be a Christian apologist, writing philosophical papers for God&#8217;s existence and arguing on blogs.  That image troubles me &#8211; and not just because it&#8217;s at odds with what I think right now.  I want to be confident that my beliefs are an accurate reflection of reality, not the result of where I was born.  The counter factual makes me wonder.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s difficult not to sound hypocritical.  I believe that, by coincidence, I was raised by parents who were correct.  But I&#8217;ve heard religious people of all faiths say similar things.  What can we do to cut through the biasing influence of our upbringing?  How can I be confident that, unlike them, I really WAS coincidentally born into a household which was correct?  Obviously, this question applies to everyone, not just me and not just atheists.</p>
<p>All I can see to do is foster critical thinking skills &#8211; the conscious effort to overcome bias.  I&#8217;m trying my best to keep an open mind, give other views a fair hearing, and pursue the truth.  So far, as I&#8217;ve done that, I&#8217;ve found the evidence for the existence of gods to be pathetically flimsy.   I know I can never fully free myself of bias, but at least I&#8217;m doing what I can.  It&#8217;s my impression that as people learn critical thinking skills, they&#8217;re more likely to become atheists.  That certainly boosts my confidence.</p>
<p>I know many of you had religious influences growing up and would have a completely different perspective on the issue.  I would love your take.</p>
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		<title>The Horrors of Roman Brutality</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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Roman savagery is second to none in its public appeal and widespread usage.
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Roman savagery is second to none in its public appeal and widespread usage.
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		<title>The Blogonaut’s Top 5 Solo Skeptical Podcasts</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Podcasting has definitely gone mainstream(evidence: even my 60 odd year old parents have an understanding of what podcasting is).  Now while the technology required has become relatively cheap and ease of use means that you don’t need to have years of experience to adequately write record and produce, there is also no barrier to filter [...]


Related posts:<ol><li><a href='http://seantheblogonaut.com/2009/01/a-skeptical-look-at-ufos/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: A skeptical look at UFO&#8217;s'>A skeptical look at UFO&#8217;s</a></li>
<li><a href='http://seantheblogonaut.com/2010/01/podcast-review-the-token-skeptic/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Podcast Review &#8211; The Token Skeptic'>Podcast Review &#8211; The Token Skeptic</a></li>
<li><a href='http://seantheblogonaut.com/2009/01/psuedo-scientists-episode-2/' rel='bookmark' title='Permanent Link: Psuedo Scientists  Episode 2'>Psuedo Scientists  Episode 2</a></li>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-right: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fseantheblogonaut.com%2F2010%2F02%2Fthe-blogonauts-top-5-solo-skeptical-podcasts%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fseantheblogonaut.com%2F2010%2F02%2Fthe-blogonauts-top-5-solo-skeptical-podcasts%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p>Podcasting has definitely gone mainstream(evidence: even my 60 odd year old parents have an understanding of what podcasting is).  Now while the technology required has become relatively cheap and ease of use means that you don’t need to have years of experience to adequately write record and produce, there is also no barrier to filter out poor quality (evidence:  I did a series of 4 really bad podcasts years 2-3 ago).</p>
<p>Thankfully the podcasters mentioned in this post are quality.</p>
<p><strong>So why solo podcasts?</strong></p>
<p>Because I think that these guys and gal deserve a bit of recognition for the work they do in producing, writing and researching their shows.  Doing everything yourself is really hard, time consuming and draining- part of the reason why I stopped doing it.</p>
<p><strong>Have I missed anyone?</strong></p>
<p>Probably, these solo podcasts are collected from my own listening experience and from questioning my twitter followers.  Additionally there are only so many hours in the day, only so much I can download and listen to.</p>
<p>I am also dreadfully aware that this list is skewed to Australian and American English speaking podcasts.</p>
<p><strong>So without further ado here’s my top 5</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.pointofinquiry.org">Point of Inquiry</a> – This is the old DJ Grothe produced version.  The production is excellent, the calibre of guests is well above par and it true to the spirit of open inquiry or at least it was under DJ.  How it fares in the future remains to be seen(or heard?).  With the backing of the CFI this almost makes me want to take it out of the category as its competitors do great work with far less support.  There are however only so many categories I can break things down into.</p>
<p><a href="http://tokenskeptic.org/">Token Skeptic</a> – The brainchild of Kylie Sturgess, this podcast is relatively new (and not with out technical issues with host libsyn).  That being said it is one of the most densely packed productions.  Densely packed with excellently researched material (so much so that I often listen to it twice).  It’s like a short little jab of skeptical goodness that pops you on the chin and makes you listen.</p>
<p><a href="http://skeptiod.com">Skeptoid-</a> Brain Dunning’s ever so delightful weekly dose of critical thinking.  I really appreciate the diversity of topics that Brian seems to cover.  If you took out the organisational backing of CFI and JREF backed DJ Grothe casts I’d say that Brian’s would be the top solo podcast.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.geologicpodcast.com/">Geologic Podcast</a> To tell you the truth it was between Geo and Amateur scientist for this spot.  They are both off beat looks at skeptical topics.  But its Geo’s musical talent that wins me over.  That and he survived lying on a bed of minties.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forgoodreason.org">For Good Reason</a> – Another DJ Grothe production that has the same quality as POI.  It’s only two episodes thus far but I swear it’s like DJ didn’t skip a beat or change his stride in moving from POI to the JREF.  Baring the Apocalypse in 2012 I see this becoming another tour de force in skeptical podcasting.</p>
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		<title>Post-#CC10 Travel Adventures</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s 1 AM Eastern time Sunday night/Monday morning as I write this from the Hilton-Dulles hotel. I should be in bed, as I have to get up in 4 and a half hours to go to the airport and wait on standby for a flight back to Harrisburg. Instead, I need to process a little [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s 1 AM Eastern time Sunday night/Monday morning as I write this from the Hilton-Dulles hotel. I should be in bed, as I have to get up in 4 and a half hours to go to the airport and wait on standby for a flight back to Harrisburg. Instead, I need to process a little bit of my day.</p>
<p>I think there is an incredibly common narrative of &#8220;horrible travel.&#8221; Anyone who experiences delays and cancellations and whatnot can easily relate the story with drama and flair, as if it was the &#8220;worst thing&#8221; that could ever happen to you. I want to make it clear that my intention in writing about my travel adventures today is not to evoke pity or rouse tempers. I just think it&#8217;s all kind of interesting. This post is just about my weird travel experiences, and hopefully you&#8217;ll find my stories and analysis as interesting as I do.</p>
<p>First, I have to say that I think it&#8217;s really unfortunate that I&#8217;m <em>stuck</em> in DC, while many of my colleagues who call DC home are stuck in Dallas. It&#8217;s just bizarre that I had a flight through DC that wasn&#8217;t canceled—and not only did it get here, but it had empty seats on it—but my friends and colleagues who would have been satisfied to get no further than DC didn&#8217;t make it here. There&#8217;s nothing to be said about why it happened, but it seems worth noting. I certainly can&#8217;t complain that I <em>only</em> got to DC when some folks might not get out of Dallas until Tuesday.</p>
<p>A colleague of mine had the same DC connection to his home destination. We both had seen that it was still on-schedule despite knowing many of our fellow Creating Change participants had had their DC flights canceled. We decided to go to the airport early in hopes of seeing if there were alternate connections that could still get us to our home destinations. When we got there, we were both told that even our connecting flights were still good to go, and more importantly, we weren&#8217;t really given the choice to rebook. If it&#8217;s going, it&#8217;s going, and that&#8217;s just how the airline works.</p>
<p>I could be really pissed about this. After all, our intuitions turned out to be correct, as we would learn upon landing at Dulles that both our connecting flights were canceled. When the airline knows that a ton of DC flights have been canceled, why wouldn&#8217;t they air on the side of caution? Maybe they want to keep our business, but also, why wouldn&#8217;t they? It&#8217;s easy to complain that in the &#8220;Age of Information&#8221; we should be able to know for sure the status of flights. Surely, though, if we didn&#8217;t trust air-traffic controllers to make that call, air travel would be more frustrating and complicated than it currently is.</p>
<p>The pilot informed us that we would be one of the first flights to land at Dulles and that they only had one runway open. At first, I kind of felt special. We were the lucky flight that got to land. But runways are necessary for both landings and take-offs, so it didn&#8217;t bode well for the amount of flights that were probably still going in and out of Dulles.</p>
<p>I wondered if the fact that there were at least three military personnel on our flight contributed to its privilege to land in DC. I&#8217;ll never know the answer, but I think it&#8217;s a worthwhile hypothesis. (I saw another servicemember in the hotel tonight, and he said he&#8217;s bound for Iraq for his 7th tour of duty, so I wonder if multiple new deployments are taking place.)</p>
<p>Truly, the quality of the tarmac at Dulles was of concern. Our runway landing was fine, but our taxiing was quite rough. The tarmac was clearly coated with padded snow and ice and it was the most unusual taxi I ever experienced.</p>
<p>It didn&#8217;t take long to get a standby flight for tomorrow morning, but I had to wait in a very long and slow line to make sure my bag was retrieved and to get a voucher for a hotel discount. The folks in the line were not happy. Many were by themselves and so didn&#8217;t have a companion with whom to socialize (myself included, as my colleague&#8217;s situation was not as optimistic and he is now pursuing other means of transportation). Tempers were high.</p>
<p>The situation is what the situation is. Some folks were upset and looking for answers and explanations. Others had accepted the fact they weren&#8217;t leaving DC tonight but were frustrated they had to wait so long to get answers about what they&#8217;d be doing next. Having gotten some good (and much needed) sleep on the flight from Dallas, I was moderately chipper and was hoping I could make my own relaxed state contagious. I quietly hummed &#8220;Don&#8217;t Stop Believin&#8217;&#8221; and &#8220;Always Look On the Bright Side of Life,&#8221; secretly hoping they&#8217;d catch on and the whole customer service queue would break out in song. It didn&#8217;t happen, but I think people were somewhat calmed by my smile and relaxed swaying.</p>
<p>One man was not happy. He was from Montreal and was furious that something like weather would be an excuse for the airline not to pay for his lodgings, let alone keep his flight from taking off. After making it clear that this would never happen at the Montreal airport, he totally berated the poor agent and his overseeing manager as well. The manager calmly answered that the problem was the weather. He acknowledged that the man was right and admitted that Dulles is not prepared (or more importantly, <em>equipped</em>) to respond to three feet of snow efficiently. That didn&#8217;t change the fact that the underlying problem was the weather. The man was sort of committed to being pissed, but the manager&#8217;s calm (and slightly snarky) response was impressive and did help pacify the man at least slightly.</p>
<p><a href="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gYih2jHkhv4/S2-xtACx-lI/AAAAAAAAAi0/VxKdP1TEZTQ/s800/Dulles%20Baggage%20Claim.jpg" class="thickbox no_icon" rel="gallery-3333" title="Dulles Baggage Claim (10:30 PM)"><img class="alignright" title="Dulles Baggage Claim (10:30 PM)" src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gYih2jHkhv4/S2-xtACx-lI/AAAAAAAAAi0/VxKdP1TEZTQ/s144/Dulles%20Baggage%20Claim.jpg" alt="" width="144" height="108" /></a>To give you an idea of how complicated the weather makes things for the airport I took a picture of the scene from the baggage claim, I took a picture with my phone. There were literally bags everywhere. I can only imagine what causes this. Some people probably abandon their bags by choosing alternate forms of transportation. Some people might end up flying without their bags. Some bags might have ended up flying without their owners. As an outside observer, it&#8217;s difficult to grasp exactly what happened. Still, it was a sight to see. The picture I took does not do it justice. And keep in mind, I took this picture at 10:30 PM. Downstairs there was a line <em>at least</em> 100 people long to get taxis to DC locations, especially since some of those folks might not be going anywhere until Tuesday, at the earliest. This isn&#8217;t an ideal situation for <em>anyone</em>, but there were some airport staff working incredibly hard (and enduring a lot of duress) to try to accommodate folks, and I commend them for that.</p>
<p>The hotel clearly does the same. My room here at the Hilton is nicer than the one I had in Dallas the past four nights and I&#8217;m paying half the price for it. They also had the free airport shuttle running regularly, and served hot dinner until midnight. I&#8217;m sure their staff is tight given lots of people are still stuck and it&#8217;s hard to get around, but they have done much to ease the frayed nerves of stressed travelers.</p>
<p>On the shuttle to the hotel, I again tried to maintain some positive attitude. I offered to my eight co-passengers, &#8220;This is fun, isn&#8217;t it?&#8221; I felt particularly bad for a mother who was traveling with her son. Probably about eight years old, her son was desperately tired, and when we were in line to check-in he even started to cry—not a whiny cry but a sincere cry of exhaustion and confusion. I can only imagine the stress of dealing with delays and hotels compounded by a young child who just isn&#8217;t equipped to deal with those circumstances.</p>
<p>I made a lovely connection as a result of my cheerful conversation on the shuttle. I met a marketing executive of sorts from northern California who was on her way home after sailing around the Virgin Islands for the past week or two. Our rooms were across from each other, so we agreed to meet for a drink. Despite being two very different people, we had some lovely conversation. You&#8217;d think I&#8217;d be tired of networking from five days of Creating Change, but it wasn&#8217;t networking. It was just two people making the most of the circumstances.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s now almost 2 AM, and I&#8217;ll get barely four hours of sleep before I return to the airport and try to make my way back to Harrisburg. I&#8217;ll sign off here, but I just want to offer a final thought to make some meaning of the stories I just told.</p>
<p>In life, we only get the days we get. The days that aren&#8217;t spent doing the things we think we should be doing are no less a part of our lives than the other days. I&#8217;m not thrilled I&#8217;m stuck in a hotel in a city overwhelmed with snowfall, but who cares? I can still make something positive out of it. Pouting or venting would do nothing to make me feel better and would only reinforce the frustration of those around me. If we all just took the time to look out for each other and realize we&#8217;re all going through these experiences together, I think we&#8217;d all be better able to respond to complications with the optimism of opportunity.</p>
<p>This wasn&#8217;t what I was expecting, but you know what? It&#8217;s a new adventure.</p>

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		<title>Non-Theistic Objective Morality</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[People often suppose that in the absence of God, there is no objective morality. Why, though, do we presume this to be the case? Can there be objective morality without God?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The discussion of morality is very common in discussions about religion. Most of the time, the existence of objective morality is used to defend the existence of God. The suggestion is that if there is no God, then there is no objective morality. Rather than challenge this idea, it seems that many atheists have simply accepted it and thereby deny objective morality when they deny the existence of God, as some sort of &#8216;package deal&#8217;. It does not seem clear that a denial of objective morality is coherent, and it also does not seem clear that there cannot be objective morality without the existence of God. In a <a href="http://philpapers.org/archive/WIEIDO.1.pdf" >defense</a> of what Erik J. Wielenberg calls &#8220;Non-Natural, Non-Theistic Moral Realism&#8221; he attempts to outline what an objective moral system sans God looks like¹. His view holds the following:</p>
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<li>Objective ethical facts exist</li>
<li>Ethical facts are not reducible to natural facts and properties</li>
<li>Ethical facts do not require an external foundation</li>
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<p>The view, therefore, is compatible with Theism and is not atheistic, but merely (as presented) non-theistic.</p>
<p>In this article, I will attempt to present the system in a simple manner.</p>
<p><strong>Preliminary Definitions</strong></p>
<p>A state of affair is a necessarily existing abstract entity. It can either obtain or fail to obtain. States of affairs which obtain are called facts and some facts are contingently true in that they exist only in some <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possible_world" >possible world</a> as opposed to those which are necessarily true, and obtain in all. The state of affairs in which Bob is a firefighter is contingent since there are some possible worlds where Bob is not a firefighter. Further, the state of affairs in which Bob is not identical to the number two is a necessary state of affairs: there is no possible world where Bob is identical to the number two.</p>
<p>Many necessary states of affairs are expressed in terms of mathematical truths or trivial propositions such as &#8220;All bachelors are married.&#8221; Necessary states of affairs do not have to be so trivial, however, since some theists assert that God exists in all possible worlds, that is, God exists necessarily.</p>
<p>Further, there are some states of affairs which obtain because of other states. One example is the state of affairs in which Bob is hurt; this state of affairs being brought about by the fact that Lucy kicked a soccer ball at his head. States of affairs which are not brought about by <em>other</em> states are called brute facts. An example of one possible brute fact is that God exists. Typically, the theist will assert that there is nothing causing, grounding or being a reason for God&#8217;s existence &#8211; his existence is just a brute fact.</p>
<p><strong>Ethical States of Affairs</strong></p>
<p>Some states of affairs concern matters of ethics, involving notions of moral rightness, wrongness, goodness, evil, etc. Such properties are <em>sui generis</em> properties. That is, they are distinct from both natural, empirically testable properties and supernatural properties (thus, neither naturalism, nor supernaturalism but <em>non-naturalism</em>).</p>
<p>As discussed in a previous <a href="http://urbanphilosophy.net/philosophy/the-euthyphro-dilemma/" >article </a>some ethical states of affairs obtain necessarily, such as that it is wrong to torture the innocent for fun and that pain is intrinsically bad. Some other states obtain only contingently, such as that pushing a red button is morally wrong because it will cause Bob some pain. However, there are worlds in which pushing this button would not cause Bob some pain and therefore can only be a contingent fact.</p>
<p><strong>Ethical Facts</strong></p>
<p>That &#8216;pain is intrinsically bad&#8217; obtains necessarily is evident in that it is not explained by some other state of affairs, it is not entailed but rather it is a brute fact. Ethical facts which are not entailed or explained by some other state of affairs are called basic ethical facts. These basic facts serve as the foundation of all further objective morality and rest on no foundation themselves. Some may be tempted to ask, &#8220;where do they come from?&#8221; but as Weilenberg notes:</p>
<blockquote><p>To ask of such facts, &#8220;where do they come from?&#8221; or &#8220;on what foundation do they rest?&#8221; is misguided in much the way that, according to many theists, it is misguided to ask of God, &#8220;where does He come from?&#8221; or &#8220;on what foundation does HE rest&#8221;? The answer is the same in both cases: They come from nowhere, and nothing external to themselves grounds their existence; rather they are fundamental features of the universe that ground other truths.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Supervenience</strong></p>
<p>The common view of moral properties is that if they are exemplified, they supervene on non-moral properties. That is to say, if there are two possible entities with identical non-moral properties, they will have identical moral properties: rightness supervenes on instances of truth-telling, goodness supervenes on certain character types in a <em>necessary</em> way.</p>
<p>What, then, is the connection between the natural fact that &#8220;Lucie is torturing Bob for fun&#8221; and the moral fact that it is wrong? Presumably, it is wrong<em> because</em> it is an act of torture, but how do we make sense of this &#8216;because&#8217;? Weilenberg states:</p>
<blockquote><p>The answer, I think, is that &#8216;because&#8217; here indicates metaphysical necessity. It is true in all metaphysically possible worlds that causing pain just for fun is wrong. This is the sense in which a given action is wrong <em>because</em> it is [an example of torturing for fun].</p></blockquote>
<p>Theistic philosopher William Wainwright thinks that such supervenience is more &#8216;at home&#8217; in a theistic universe than in a non-theistic one:</p>
<blockquote><p>[T]he connection between the [natural fact] and the [moral property] can seem mysterious. For, in the absence of further explanations, the (necessary connection between these radically different sorts of properties&#8230; is just an inexplicable brute fact. (modifications are mine)</p></blockquote>
<p>Under Weilenberg&#8217;s view, the relationships are equivalent to certain basic ethical facts. The claim that the property of &#8220;being intrinsically bad&#8221; supervenes on the property of pain is equivalent to the claim that necessarily, pain is intrinsically bad. Is such a &#8216;brute-fact-supervenience&#8217; a problem? Might this supervenience give reason to prefer a theistic account, as Wainwright seems to think?</p>
<p>It seems only to be a problem if non-trivial necessary truths require explanations. But, there seems to be no reason to accept this. Especially for the theist, who posits one non-trivial necessary truth that does not require an explanation: that God exists. It sees that the proposed brute fact of &#8216;pain is intrinsically bad&#8217; needs no more explanation. It seems, prima facie, to even be in less need of explanation than the existence of a perfect creator.</p>
<p>Perhaps it is true, however, that there is an explanation to God&#8217;s existence that is a &#8217;self-explanation&#8217;. Wainwright states that &#8220;if we could grasp [God's] nature we would see <em>why</em> it exists.&#8221; Wainwright is stating that even if we don&#8217;t <em>know</em> the explanation of God&#8217;s existence, it is there anyway. If this is true, then the existence of God is not a brute fact after all. Supposing that a self-explanatory being is a coherent notion (there is a lot of literature on this question), it seems that there is still some reliance on brute fact. To suggest that God&#8217;s existence is self-explanatory introduces another non-trivial necessary truth: that God&#8217;s nature possesses some feature which explains His existence. But, then, what is the explanation for <em>this</em> seemingly brute fact? Even under theism, it seems that one is committed to the coherence of brute fact.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;Mysterious, Floating Values&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>Christian philosophers William Lane Craig and J.P Moreland define and criticize this view as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p>Atheistic moral realists affirm that objective moral values and duties do exist and are not dependent on evolution or human opinion, but they also insist that they are not grounded in God. Indeed, moral values have no further foundation. They just exist.</p>
<p>&#8230; It is difficult, however, even to comprehend this view. What does it mean to say, for example, that the moral value <em>justice</em> just exists? It is hard to know what to make of this. I tis clear what is meant when it is said that a person is just; but it is bewildering when it is said that in the absence of any people, <em>justice</em> itself exists. Moral values seem to exist as properties of persons, not as mere abstractions &#8211; or at any rate, it is hard to know what it is for a moral value to exist as a mere abstraction. Atheistic moral realists seem to lack any adequate foundation in reality for moral values but just leave them floating in an unintelligible way.</p></blockquote>
<p>On Weilenberg&#8217;s view, among the entities that &#8220;just exist&#8221; are states of affairs and properties which are accepted to &#8220;just exist&#8221; by a great number of contemporary philosophers. There are various states of affairs <em>concerning </em>justice, so when some person has the property of being just it is in virtue (partially) of the obtaining of precisely these states of affairs. Weilenberg explains:</p>
<blockquote><p>For instance, I hold that <em>it is just to give people what they deserve;</em> thus, anyone who gives others what they deserve thereby instantiates the property of justice. The state of affairs that <em>it is just to give people what they deserve</em> obtains whether or not any people actually exist, just as various states of affairs about dinosaurs obtain even though there are no longer any dinosaurs. In this way, my approach cashes out the idea of justice &#8220;just existing&#8221; in terms of facts about justice. This approach is perfectly intelligible and coherent and no more posits mysterious, floating entities than does any view committed to the existence of properties and states of affairs.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>&#8220;But You&#8217;re Just An Animal!&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>A further criticism is that without a Creator, human beings lack moral rights altogether. As Craig states in his debate with Walter Sinnott-Armstrong:</p>
<blockquote><p>[I]f there is no God, then what&#8217;s so special about human beings? They&#8217;re just accidental by-products of nature that have evolved relatively recently on an infinitesimal spec of dust lost somewhere in a hostile and mindless universe and that are doomed to perish individually and collectively in a relatively short time. On the atheistic view, some action, say, rape, may not be socially advantageous, and so in the course of human development has become taboo; but that does absolutely nothing to prove that rape is really wrong. On the atheist view, there&#8217;s nothing really <em>wrong</em> with your raping someone.</p></blockquote>
<p>Arguments such as these take the form: If God does not exist, then human beings are just Xs and Xs don&#8217;t have moral rights or duties. But this is dubious, just because we may be Xs does not mean that we are <em>nothing more</em> than Xs. That is, human beings are animals, but are we really nothing more than animals? This doesn&#8217;t seem any more plausible then the claim that God is a necessarily existing being, and nothing more. It is true, according to theism, that God is necessarily existent but he is more than this, much more. So too, for human beings. We can suffer, love, strive for goals, etc. At any rate, Craig provides no argument for his claim that human beings are just animals, and nothing more.</p>
<p>As for the issue of rape, Sinnott-Armstrong replies, &#8220;[w]hat makes rape immoral is that it harms <em>the victim</em> in terrible ways. The victim feels pain, loses freedom, is subordinates, and so on. These harms are not justified by any benefits to anyone.&#8221; Essentially, he explains the wrongness of rape by appealing to a moral principle, namely that: any action that involves knowingly inflicting suffering, subordination, and a loss of freedom on another without producing any outweighing benefits is morally wrong. At the very least, we would need to see an argument suggesting that this proposed moral principle fails, but it seems quite plausible.</p>
<p><strong>External Foundation?</strong></p>
<p>Objections of this grade constantly ask for a foundation to be provided and this reveals the assumption that objective morality requires a foundation external to itself. Without any sound argument to suggest that this is true, why should one abandon the view that all non-brute ethical facts rest in part on a set of basic facts which serve as the axioms of morality and do not have an external foundation but <em>are</em> the foundation.</p>
<p>But further, the theist seems to offer nothing better. Craig states that &#8220;our moral duties are grounded in the commands of a holy and loving God&#8230; His nature expresses itself toward us in the form of moral commands which issuing from the Good, become moral duties for us.&#8221; Under this view, our moral duties still rely on some ungrounded ethical fact, namely that if the Good commands you to do something, then you are morally obligated to do it. What is the grounding for this claim? Does it simply &#8220;float mysteriously in an unintelligible way?&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Conlusion</strong></p>
<p>At the very least, it is evident that the issue of morality in the absence of God is not as black and white as many people suppose that it is, theists and atheists alike. It has long been supposed that atheism leads to an abandonment of morality, but that doesn&#8217;t seem to be the case necessarily. In fact, it seems that a view such as Weilenberg&#8217;s is very similar to what the theist requires to escape the <a href="http://urbanphilosophy.net/philosophy/the-euthyphro-dilemma/" >Euthyphro dilemma</a>.</p>
<p>______________________________</p>
<p>¹All further quotations are from this paper unless otherwise noted.</p>
<div id="crp_related"><h3>Further Reading:</h3><ul><li><a href="http://urbanphilosophy.net/philosophy/the-euthyphro-dilemma/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">The Euthyphro Dilemma</a></li><li><a href="http://urbanphilosophy.net/philosophy/a-possible-disproof-of-gods-existence/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">A Possible Disproof of God's Existence</a></li><li><a href="http://urbanphilosophy.net/philosophy/ryft-on-a-possible-disproof-of-gods-existence/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Ryft on "A Possible Disproof of God's Existence"</a></li><li><a href="http://urbanphilosophy.net/philosophy/god-and-moral-autonomy/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">God and Moral Autonomy</a></li><li><a href="http://urbanphilosophy.net/philosophy/the-anthropic-argument-against-the-existence-of-god/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">The Anthropic Argument Against the Existence of God</a></li></ul></div>]]></content:encoded>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I discovered PostSecret while still in the ministry and read it faithfully every week, sobbing every time. It&#8217;s one reason how I know I have grown: I can now look at the secrets I can relate to and feel for the writer, but I don&#8217;t fall to pieces anymore.</p>
<p>Yesterdays&#8217; post was full of good ones. I posted thoughts on one of them last night, and here&#8217;s another one:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.redheadedskeptic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Fuller.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-3591" title="Fuller" src="http://www.redheadedskeptic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Fuller-300x198.jpg" alt="" width="453" height="298" /></a>It&#8217;s easier to stay a Christian in a secular university than a Christian one. Why?</p>
<p>Contrasting my personal experience with Baptist college vs. larger secular one, here are my thoughts:</p>
<p>At UofA, there are student unions for Baptists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Catholics, Methodists, and probably more. I don&#8217;t know about the UofA Baptist Student Union (BSU), but my experience with college Baptist groups is that they are merely extensions of high school youth groups. So if you managed to skate through public high school without losing your faith, you&#8217;re probably going to make it through college, too. Christians can segregate themselves in college just like they do in church, and stay in their bubbles as much or as little as they want. (I don&#8217;t mean &#8220;segregate&#8221; in a derogatory way, but in the way that people of like-minded groups tend to stick together.) The only evil secular class that can really cause someone to question their faith (that I can think of off the top of my head) is philosophy. Philosophy is easy enough to avoid, and even if you don&#8217;t, there&#8217;s not really much dialogue. You can take your list of questions to your student pastor and he can give you the canned apologetic response, or any of McDowell&#8217;s or Mind Games materials to read on your own. You might have a faith crisis, but it&#8217;s actually easier to weather because you don&#8217;t usually have the theological crisis that you have at Christian institutions.</p>
<p>At WBC, people sat around and discussed theology. Why they believed in Calvinism vs. Arminianism and vice versa. Even in that, Three Point Calvinism or a Five Point/TULIP Calvinist?  Every little issue that you&#8217;ve never even thought of before gets very in depth in a way it doesn&#8217;t tend to get in church. Then you learn about how the Bible came to be and is arranged, and suddenly you realize that there is a <em>LOT</em> your Sunday School teacher and your pastor never told you! There is a  chunk of Mark in your Bible that isn&#8217;t found in every early manuscript, so does it actually belong? Is it actually the word of God or did somebody add it in there? They present it mostly like, look how careful the early writers were to preserve the writing intact, but if you actually pay attention in your classes, you start to notice how certain things crept in and out of the writing. Write it over and over for generations, and eventually, it does evolve. Even looking at the Bible from this new perspective caused me to question evolution in a new way. I had all the answers and knew everything that those evolutionary biologists didn&#8217;t know , thanks to Ken Ham (snort!). But Ken Ham never discusses the poetical form of Genesis 1, leaving us to wonder if it was ever supposed to be taken literally <em>at all</em>? (The poetry doesn&#8217;t translate into English, as I understand; it&#8217;s only when you read it in the Hebrew that it becomes a poem, whereas the rest of Genesis is not written in the same poetical form.)</p>
<p>Did anyone here go to a Christian university and preserve their faith? I know lots of people who did. What I don&#8217;t understand is why. How did they resolve these conflicts? We all had the same classes, so I know I&#8217;m not the only one who learned this stuff. And I <em>don&#8217;t </em>believe that it was because I was smarter or more thoughtful than other students, though that probably is the answer for <em>some</em> of them. So I am constantly curious as to why some people lose their faith, while the vast majority do not. Any thoughts?</p>


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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 05:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>If you&#8217;re a regular reader, you know that this is pretty much a two-person operation, &#8220;The Jenny and Mike Show&#8221;.  (We do enjoy and appreciate the occasional, delightfully snarky commentaries from Dr. Tom.)</p>
<p>We both work full time, and try to maintain lives off the Internet as well.  So, while we manage to catch stories sooner than many sources, or connect the dots in ways not apparent elsewhere, there&#8217;s a lot of news about the Paliban &#8212; people who want to inject religion into politics generally, and Christian theocrats more specifically &#8212; that we don&#8217;t report on.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was a short clip on the blocks to listening from the Martin Luther King Day workshop I presented at the Dae Yen Sa International Buddhist Temple in New Hartford, CT.  I really enjoyed doing this workshop and was happy it was well attended.  Anyway, I would love to hear your feedback on this clip [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a short clip on the blocks to listening from the Martin Luther King Day workshop I presented at the Dae Yen Sa International Buddhist Temple in New Hartford, CT.  I really enjoyed doing this workshop and was happy it was well attended.  Anyway, I would love to hear your feedback on this clip and my style of presenting.  I learn from the feedback.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://avangelism.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/lonely.jpg" alt="" / style="float: left; margin:0px 10px 2px 0; border:1px solid #545454;"/> <i>In one of [Dr. Robert] Price’s chapters in his book</i> <a href="http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/forward.htm">“The Reason-Driven Life”</a><i>, he mentions a good friend of his who gave up his faith before Price thought he was really ready to do so. Even though Price definitely holds a non-theist view, he was afraid his friend might come apart without some kind of comforting delusion to hold him together. It’s a very odd concession to the idea that faith, flawed as it is, might have its uses. To those who have never really lived in a community of faith, I’m sure it makes no sense at all. Believe me when I say that I envy those people.</i></p>
<p>A friend of mine wrote those words as part of something that I want to share with you. It’s a stark description of his struggles through a depressive episode—a tough period rooted in his struggles dealing with deconversion. </p>
<p>Yep. Deconversion.</p>
<p>He’s an exChristian and has been one for two-and-a-half years, but still struggles with the social and psychological voids left by leaving the faith—particularly the community of faith.</p>
<p>Here’s what he said to me about it:</p>
<blockquote><p>I had a bit of a meltdown recently, concerning faith issues.  &#8230;I&#8217;m better now&#8230; and later found out that [a mutual acquaintance] had been there at Skepticon II the whole time yet we were both unaware!  Just talking to more people, I&#8217;m sure, would have made my experience a much better one; instead, it was a lonely, alienating experience which triggered a deeply depressive episode&#8230; not the first, but one of the worst.</p></blockquote>
<p>I’m not suggesting his experience is typical of deconversions and by his own words this bout was among the worst he’s had, but I will suggest that his experience is not an anomaly among those leaving behind a lifetime of faith.</p>
<p>What he’s written is a vivid look into why I believe relevant atheism, an atheism that deals with people and with struggles and with personhood, is vitally important.</p>
<p>It also makes explicitly clear what I mean when I say “God is real.”</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m now 2 1/2 years into a deconversion experience, after having lived more than 30 years as a Christian, first fundamentalist and later more moderate/liberal. One might think that I would be happily exploring my new-found rationality. In truth, I often try (and fail) to find ways to trick myself into not even thinking about it, because of the depression and even morbidity that so often accompanies my thought patterns. </p>
<p>Deconverting was less like a step into freedom and more like an ongoing funeral and mourning process for my best and dearest friend. Say what you will, with all the admittedly strong evidence you can muster, about the biblical God; for all his flaws, he was one swell friend to the friendless, a comfort when nothing seemed to go right and when no actual humans had time to help me pick up the pieces. It is no help whatsoever, none, to attempt to consider that all the good things I managed to do all those years were actually on my own power rather than part of an almighty God’s eternal plan. Without faith to fall back on, I have to consider every failure a real and honest failure which might never yield anything good, unless I stop failing. Needless to say, thoughts like these are not exactly conducive to avoiding failure.</p>
<p>The most striking thing to me about Skepticon was realizing that I knew almost nobody. Late in the process I did run into a family I knew, and was rather shamed by the fact that they have endured worse trials than me and have better attitudes. I guess they’ve been at it longer. As far as what little I got to see of the events, I’ll admit to laughing a few times during <a href=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOGebAEOU2g>Richard Carrier’s talk</a> about the unlikely history of Luke and Acts. Then it hit me that I had been reading those books for three decades before I ever started to see the discrepancies. I’d basically been stupid for thirty years. I suddenly didn’t feel like laughing anymore. PZ’s talk, while actually fascinating, was so far over my ability to comprehend the concepts that it made me a bit angry that I’d only studied fine arts and had pointedly ignored the sciences. I had no idea I’d someday need them this much; I’m shockingly behind.</p>
<p>Nothing I saw made me feel any better that, each day, I wake up in an evolved world where there is no greater plan and that terrible, pointless things happen. Theodicy (the problem of human suffering) has become a crushing weight. Rare is the morning I don’t wake startled from a nightmare about being in a plane crash or dying in a building fire; the night after Skepticon, I was treated to a dream about being drowned to death. I know why this is happening; during my faith years, I got way too good at meditating on the presence of God. Now I can’t stop meditating on the absence of God, and I have no positive imagery to associate with it. The Christians, ironically, managed to get this one right in my case. No Jesus&#8230; no peace. And it’s too late for me to go back; I reject the Christian god and the historical Christ for all the same reasons everyone else does. But without the comfort of the delusion, I’m falling apart under the weight of all this reality.</p>
<p>Price never did show up again. I held out hope (foolish me) until the very end that he might make an appearance. It’s not that I think he would have had any magical words for me; I’m not so naive to expect that. But I wish I could have talked to someone who at least had had the experience of having, and losing, faith in the same kind of way I had. And I wish I could have asked him, simply, “When can I expect to get better?”&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>What do you say to this? </p>
<p>Buck up?</p>
<p>Here are some pictures from the hubble telescope showing how insignificant you really are?</p>
<p>You’re better off?</p>
<p>You’re hopeless?</p>
<p>Talking about his experience after it passed and he was “back to normal,” my friend told me this:</p>
<blockquote><p>I found it interesting that the comments from nontheists, both on Xanga and Facebook, were even worse at answering what I thought must be a relatively simply question&#8230; &#8220;when can I expect to get better?&#8221;.  No one even attempted an answer; they made comments to the effect that I&#8217;d never get better, or brushed it off as irrelevant, or simply ignored it.  It&#8217;s just like you said; the problem didn&#8217;t fit their tool set.</p></blockquote>
<p>I did say that and I will say it again. Atheists, especially the ones that conflate atheism and science, are far too likely to dismiss others&#8217; experiences. It&#8217;s tempting to do when our tools can&#8217;t address a problem—just dismiss the problem, so that we can use our tools.</p>
<p>I’ll also say that it’s not really such a simple question, but it’s an important question and it’s a question Christians are poised to exploit. There are a range of human experiences that all exChrisitans will encounter after deconversion—death, loss, profound disappointment. </p>
<p>Those are experiences that could trigger similar confusions and the same question, “When can I expect to get better?” even among those that deconverted without such difficulty.</p>
<p>The Christian deception is that there are easy answers for that question. Snake oil peddled as an elixir for the pain and confusion that sometimes comes just from being human.</p>
<p>Ignoring or belittling the question isn’t going to make atheism relevant. If anything, it will reinforce atheist stereotypes and make the Christian snake oil all the more appealing.</p>
<p>Here is his final thought on that:</p>
<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s okay to not be able to address an issue or answer a question.  But I do hope that my letter made them a little less eager to trust their current assumptions, or to promote atheism as a sure-fire path to hunky-dory land.</p></blockquote>
<p>I hope it’s done the same for us. </p>
<p>Oh, here’s my answer. I’m sure it reflects my own toolbox, but here it is: You can expect to get better when you figure out what part of you resonated with your imaging God and how to tap into that same part of you in ways that are meaningful to your new atheist worldview.</p>
<p>Please feel free to offer yours. </p>
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		<title>329. Tori Amos</title>
		<link>http://camelswithhammers.com/2010/02/07/329-tori-amos/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 04:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Fincke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A harrowing and unbelievably brave song about one of the worst imaginable personal experiences:

Your Thoughts?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<br /><p>A harrowing and unbelievably brave song about one of the worst imaginable personal experiences:<br />
<span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://camelswithhammers.com/2010/02/07/329-tori-amos/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/uKzCxi2yf5s/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span><br />
Your Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>Palin: “Absurd Not to Consider 2012 Presidential Run”, Snubs Tea Party Nation</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 04:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[On Fox News Sunday, Sarah Palin commented that she felt it "absurd" not to consider a 2012 Presidential run . . . and added a subtle backhand to the Tea Party movement.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Fox News Sunday, Sarah Palin commented that she felt it &#8220;absurd&#8221; not to consider a 2012 Presidential run . . . and added a subtle backhand to the Tea Party movement.</p>
<p>Hedging her bets, Sarah Palin charged $100,000 to speak at the first Tea Party Nation convention, <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/32626.html">where attendees paid</a> $500 to get in the convention plus over $300 just to hear her speech.  By not speaking for free, Palin avoids being tied too closely to Tea Party Nation.</p>
<p><img alt="" src="http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2010-02-07-palinhandsmaller1.jpg" title="palin convention" class="alignleft" width="200"/>The <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703427704575051380838858258.html?mod=igoogle_wsj_gadgv1&#038;">Wall Street Journal reports</a> that while Palin was happy to gain support from the (for-profit) Tea Party (Nation) movement, she didn&#8217;t want them to interfere with the two-party system:</p>
<blockquote><p>Asked whether she might run on the Tea Party ticket, Ms. Palin declined to answer directly, saying she hoped that the nascent movement remains a &#8220;movement of the people&#8221; and that its members &#8220;don&#8217;t believe that they need some kind of well-oiled machine&#8221; to have a political impact.</p></blockquote>
<p>While Tea Partiers may be offended, they shouldn&#8217;t be surprised.  It was only just over a week ago that <a href="http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/palin-lets-merge-the-tea-party-and-gop.php?ref=mp">Palin recommended</a> that the Republican Party absorb Tea Party Nation:</p>
<blockquote><p>Fox&#8217;s Greta Van Susteren asked if tea party candidates would end up siphoning votes from GOP nominees, or if the movement will &#8220;merge with the Republican Party.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;They need to merge,&#8221; Palin said. &#8220;Definitely, they need to merge. I think those who are wanting the divisions and the divisiveness and the controversy &#8212; those are the ones who don&#8217;t believe in the message. And they&#8217;re the ones, I think, stirring it up.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>The pressure to push Tea Party Nation from its original roots as a movement espousing low taxes and smaller government &#8212; not a police state and farm subsidies and Republican-only government &#8212; may be the reason both Michele Bachmann and Martha Blackburn dropped out . . . leaving Palin as the only big name.</p>
<p>Blogger Kleinhelder at the Nashville Post sums it up nicely.</p>
<blockquote><p>This new tea party bears no resemblance to the one that began a year ago as a reaction to the collapse of our financial system and the subsequent bailout. That movement of ragtag and unorganized libertarians, independents and conservatives was something new and unique. An authentic protest movement angered not just by the new President, Barack Obama, who had presided over the bailouts but the president who started the ball rolling and whose incompetence had led to the crisis in the first place, George W. Bush.</p>
<p>The people we saw on the steps of Legislative Plaza and county courthouses across the state last year weren’t “movement conservatives.” Certainly the movement conservatives were there at those protests but the tea parties were much bigger in size, scope and concept than just traditional modern conservatism reheated. Last night, the professional conservatives fixed that for good.</p>
<p>For over a year the media has struggled to try and define just what exactly the movement was. Now they have a definition.</p>
<p>Sarah Palin.</p></blockquote>
<p>WSJ provides <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703427704575051380838858258.html?mod=igoogle_wsj_gadgv1&#038;">a bit more on Tea Party Nation</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>As first reported by POLITICO, Tea Party Nation is a for-profit company that also operates a social network site by the same name. [Tea Party Nation CEO Judson] Phillips intends to turn a profit from the convention, with the stated goal of seeding a so-called 527 group that would air ads praising conservative candidates or criticizing their opponents.</p>
<p>But on Saturday he said there likely wouldn’t be much profit, and whatever money is made will go to a second convention he’s planning for July.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sure Phillips will not show any substantial profit from the convention, and that he will clearly demonstrate why on the <a href="http://www.teapartynation.com/">Tea Party Nation</a> website.</p>
<p>Be careful if you <a href="http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2010/02/07/if-sarah-palin-calls-for-a-revolution-tea-party-nation-demurs/">decide to join</a> the Tea Party Nation forum.  Irregular Times collected a few details from the &#8220;revolutionary, non-partisan, 100%-password-protected (including the FAQ)&#8221; website:</p>
<blockquote><p>* it is a corporation which has trademarked the phrase “Tea Party Nation” and will sue anyone else who uses the words.</p>
<p>* “You can and will be banned for being a liberal.”</p>
<p>* “Tea Party Nation reserves the right to ban anyone for any reason we feel necessary”</p>
<p>* “Trashing of TPN will not be tolerated.”</p>
<p>* “Questions regarding TPN posted in the public forums or blogs on the site will be deleted.”</p>
<p>* “It is not a forum for… calls for militant uprisings.”</p>
<p>* “Tea Party Nation’s strict No Tolerance policy will not make exceptions… if you see such postings, you immediately report them”</p>
<p>While Tea Party Nation’s speakers call for a revolution for the cameras, any actual revolutionary behavior or dissent will be result in swift dismissal. That’s an interesting combination.</p></blockquote>
<p>A screenshot would be nice, Irregular Times guys!</p>


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		<title>Parents Can Relax: Vaccines Do NOT Lead to Autism</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 03:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Lancet medical journal published a study in 1998 suggesting the link between autism and the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine. Now, they've issued a full retraction of the original paper. ]]></description>
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		<title>Quote of the Day:  Jeremy Hooper from G-A-Y</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 03:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe Brummer</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I enjoyed reading this post over at G-A-Y and particularly liked this statement from Jeremy Hooper who I have much respect for because of his nonviolent way of confronting the religious right.  I think there is valuable wisdom in this quote!
As active participants of this [civil rights] movement, we can and should challenge tactics, strategies, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed reading this <a href="http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2010/02/cc10-some-personal-takeaways.html?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GoodAsYou+%28Good+As+You%29&amp;utm_content=Google+Reader" >post over at G-A-Y</a> and particularly liked this statement from Jeremy Hooper who I have much respect for because of his nonviolent way of confronting the religious right.  I think there is valuable wisdom in this quote!</p>
<blockquote><p>As active participants of this [civil rights] movement, we can and should challenge tactics, strategies, rhetoric, and leadership. Both ours and our opposition&#8217;s. However, there&#8217;s no reason to turn it personal. As people who come with all of the trappings that are laid upon us as humans, we&#8217;ll naturally have our own interpersonal whatnots with each other. But for the sake of the movement, we should strive to disconnect the two. The message is what matters.</p>
<p>~Jeremy Hooper.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Atheist: declare thyself !</title>
		<link>http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2010/02/07/atheists-declare-thyself/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 03:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sabio Lantz</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[See the section in my Religious Dialogue Tools for an explanation for how to use this table as a means of declaring your positions on Atheism.  Both Atheists and Agnostics can use this table to qualify themselves, if they desire.  I will update this post with the suggestions of my readers.
Definition: Atheism: Not believing in [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=triangulations.wordpress.com&#38;blog=7141063&#38;post=3156&#38;subd=triangulations&#38;ref=&#38;feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<br /><p><a rel="attachment wp-att-16" href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/about/scarlet_a2/"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-16" title="scarlet_a2" src="http://triangulations.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/scarlet_a2.png?w=111&#038;h=95" alt="" width="111" height="95" /></a>See the section in my <a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2010/01/02/religious-dialogue-tools/" >Religious Dialogue Tools</a> for an explanation for how to use this table as a means of declaring your positions on Atheism.  Both Atheists and Agnostics can use this table to qualify themselves, if they desire.  I will update this post with the suggestions of my readers.</p>
<p>Definition: <strong>Atheism</strong>: Not believing in any theistic god(s). <strong> Assertion</strong>: &#8220;I believe in no theistic gods.&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p><strong> </strong></p></blockquote>
<h3><span style="color:#800000;">Your Atheism Positions</span></h3>
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<td><strong> Level of Certainty:<br />
</strong></td>
<td>Weak (Agnostic) / Moderate / Strong (Gnostic)</td>
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<td><strong> Level of Affirmation:<br />
</strong></td>
<td>Weak / Strong</td>
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<td><strong>Stance toward Religion:</strong></td>
<td>Categorically Against / Indifferent / Friendly / Sympathetic</td>
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<td><strong>Openness:</strong></td>
<td>Totally Open / Open, but cautious / Closeted</td>
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<td><strong>Degree of Action:<a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/atonement-theology/" ><br />
</a></strong></td>
<td>None, Affirm only,  Debater, Activist, Militant</td>
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<td><strong> Religious Participation:<a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/eschatology/" ><br />
</a></strong></td>
<td>Abstaining (rare) / Occasional / Often</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong>Degree of Enchantment</strong></td>
<td>Disenchanted/ Neutral / Enchanted</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong>Mystical Inclination:</strong></td>
<td>Non-Mystical / Partially Mystical / Highly Mystical</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong>Belief History<br />
</strong></td>
<td>Former Believer / Life Long Non-believer (Natural)</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong>Sect History<br />
</strong></td>
<td>List sects/denominations/religion you belonged to</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong> Theory of Religion:<br />
</strong></td>
<td>How did religion evolve, what useful functions (if any) does it serve?</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong> Non-theistic Leanings<br />
</strong></td>
<td>Do you believe in any matrix of the universe, any higher (albeit non-interventional power), and principle behind reality?</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong>Degree of  Secular<br />
Superstitious Thinking<br />
</strong></td>
<td>Do you buy the lottery, have a lucky charm, avoid unlucky things, have favorite irrational habits?</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong> View of Reason<br />
</strong></td>
<td>How highly do you value reason? How rational do you feel humans are or can be?</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><strong> Faith Items<br />
</strong></td>
<td>What things you believe in for which you don&#8217;t have evidence</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td></td>
<td></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<h2><span style="color:#800000;">CATEGORIES &amp; DEFINITIONS</span></h2>
<p>I list some of the above categories below in order to add brief definitions and/or links to help understand each category.  I will be working on this list slowly.  Suggestions welcome !</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Level of Certainty</strong>:
<ul>
<li><strong>Gnostic</strong> = affirms no gods, and he also claims to <em>know</em> there are no gods.</li>
<li><strong>Moderate</strong> = affirms no gods, and holds its it fairly strongly</li>
<li><strong>Agnostic</strong> = affirms no gods, but doesn&#8217;t claim to know there are no gods.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>Intellectual Involvement:</strong>
<ul>
<li><strong>Casual Atheist</strong>=  affirms no god but hasn&#8217;t thought much about it.</li>
<li><strong>Strong Atheist</strong>= not only lacks a belief in gods, but also affirms that no gods exist (AKA, positive, explicit atheist).  Feels strongly justified in his disbelief.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>Stance toward Religion</strong>:
<ul>
<li><strong>Sympathetic</strong>: beliefs that practiced correctly it is possible for a religion to do more good than harm.</li>
<li><strong>Unsympathetic</strong>: believes religion inevitably has bad consequences and needs to be condemned categorically</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>Openness</strong>
<ul>
<li>Open</li>
<li>Cautiously Open</li>
<li>Closeted</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>Degree of Action:</strong>
<ul>
<li><strong>Passive atheist</strong> doesn’t believe in god but doesn’t try to influence the world in favor of atheism.</li>
<li><strong>E</strong><strong>vangelical atheist</strong> tries to persuade others to give up theistic belief.</li>
<li><strong>A</strong><strong>ctive atheist</strong> labors on behalf of causes that specifically benefit atheists (but not necessarily <em>just</em> atheists). For example, he strives against discrimination toward atheists, or he strives in favor of separation of church and state.</li>
<li><strong>M</strong><strong>ilitant atheist</strong> uses violence to promote atheism or destroy religion. (Often, the term “militant atheist” is misapplied to non-violent evangelical atheists like Richard Dawkins. But to preserve the parallel with the “militant Christian” who bombs abortion clinics or the “militant Muslim” suicide bomber, I prefer the definition of “militant atheist” that assumes acts of violence.)</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>Religious Participation</strong>:
<ul>
<li><strong>Abstaining/Rare</strong></li>
<li><strong>Occasional</strong></li>
<li><strong>Often</strong></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>Degree of Enchantment</strong>
<ul>
<li><strong>Disenchanted </strong>&#8211; depressed thinking that there is not purpose to the universe or yourself</li>
<li><strong>Neutral</strong></li>
<li><strong>Enchanted</strong> &#8212; elated at the amazingness of life.  See <a href="http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=5806" >Luke&#8217;s essay</a>.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>Mystical Inclination </strong>
<ul>
<li>How inclined are you to have &#8220;unity&#8221; type of experiences or &#8220;ecstatic&#8221; experiences or similar unusual pleasant hard to describe changes of your normal consciousness.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>Belief History</strong>
<ul>
<li>Tell us if you have ever been a whole-hearted believer before.  Some folks participated in religion but never with a full heart.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li><strong>Sect History</strong>
<ul>
<li>Tell us how you were raise and religious groups with which you have identified.  Keep it short.</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<p>__________<br />
<strong>Resources</strong>:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://philpapers.org/surveys/" ></a>HT to Luke&#8217;s <a href="http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=6487">17 Kinds of Atheism</a> which I used as the basis for this chart.</li>
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		<title>Two’s Company</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[From PostSecret:

I think people could reasonably assume I sent this in except mine&#8217;s not really a secret anymore.
Exploring fantasies and expanding your horizons together as a couple=cool.
Doing something because you&#8217;ve been forced, pressured, manipulated, or out of a warped idea of submission or needing to please a partner=not cool.
Why does that have to be so [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From PostSecret:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.redheadedskeptic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/standup.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-3587" title="standup" src="http://www.redheadedskeptic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/standup-300x198.jpg" alt="" width="389" height="257" /></a></p>
<p>I think people could reasonably assume I sent this in except mine&#8217;s not really a secret anymore.</p>
<p>Exploring fantasies and expanding your horizons together as a couple=cool.</p>
<p>Doing something because you&#8217;ve been forced, pressured, manipulated, or out of a warped idea of submission or needing to please a partner=not cool.</p>
<p>Why does that have to be so complicated? It&#8217;s not, but you don&#8217;t hear it in abstinence only sex ed, I wouldn&#8217;t know about sex ed, and my fundamentalist parents never taught me a thing beyond the most basic of basics.</p>
<p>To the anonymous sender, I feel your pain.</p>


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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 01:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I am going to spend an hour practicing my guitar, but first I am going to do a little write-up here.<br /><br />Today did not go as I expected it.  I was going to go to the library and grade during the day.  Grade like a maniac, y'hear?  I was all ready, with my red pens sharpened and my game face on.  I got on the bus, and caught my transfers with milliseconds to spare.  I was a public transit acrobat, I made it look so easy.  After a short (15 minute) journey to the library, I walked up to the door, barely noticing the guy sitting outside next to the door, working on his laptop, which is never a good sign.  I tugged on the door.<br /><br />Motherfucker was closed and wouldn't open for 2 hours.<br /><br />I believe I told the universe exactly what it could do with itself, and then I walked off to find somewhere to work.  I could not go home, at least not easily, because the bus that just dropped me off was not due back for another half-hour.  I walked around the perimeter of the campus and found a St. Louis Bread Company.  It's not a Bread Company here, it's a Panera, but Panera is based in St. Louis and markets itself there in that way.  So it was a Bread Co.  In St. Louis, I would often go and work at Bread Co., so this was a nice return to normalcy of a sort after what had been a treacherous morning.<br /><br />I finished all the papers of one class.  Good enough for me.  I have spent the rest of the day flipping listlessly through the <span style="font-style: italic;">Protocols of the Elders of Zion</span>, which I lecture on tomorrow.  God it's a horrid little tome.  Overbearing and ridiculous all the way through.  Seriously, it's like a congregation of Bond villains. I have one final protocol to get through, but I'm really not interested.  Not at all.  I think that I may introduce some of Chip Berlet's observations about the similarities between all the different editions of the <span style="font-style: italic;">Protocols</span>.  I suspect that these will be important later on for my students, especially since we see the elements mixing and matching in all sorts of ways throughout the conspiratorial canon.<br /><br />What else?<br /><br />In the morning, assuming that I make it to campus by 6:10, which is my habit, I will actually write up the lecture notes for class at 8:00.  I need to work on my damned public talk sometime in the near future.  I'll probably post the lecture at some point.  It's about creationism.  Something I know nothing about.  Haha.<br /><br />HJ<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/9070755194464338379-3832398393228335612?l=hjhop.blogspot.com' alt='' /></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>British Humanist Association supports Power 2010</title>
		<link>http://www.humanism.org.uk/news/view/481</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The BHA is supporting a campaign promoting a healthy, inclusive and vibrant approach to democracy. The Power 2010 campaign hopes to increase participation in, and discussion about, democratic processes in the UK by creating a list of peoples priorities for democratic reform. <br /><br />The campaign began in September when anyone could submit their ideas for reform to Power2010, The 4,500 received were then deliberated on by a random selection of the public who created a shortlist of 29 key ideas. <br /><br />BHA Campaigns Officer Pepper Harow stated, The BHA is heavily involved in work that encourages participation and involvement by all individuals at all levels of government. Our local groups and members are hugely active at local level; whether it be joining local coalitions or working with others on equalities and citizens forums. Democracy can only work as a system if it gives people a voice and allows people the freedom to stand up and be counted and this is exactly what this campaign is about.<br /><br />Some of the suggested courses of action from Power2010 are of particular interest to humanists. For example, although the BHA takes no position on a preferred structure to the second chamber, a fully elected second chamber would remove the automatic right for 26 Bishops to sit in the House of Lords, the debate around a Bill of Rights may have important implications for freedom of belief and extending the Freedom of Information Act to cover, for example, the Church of England, would have an effect on the BHAs campaigning work.  <br /><br />The BHA will be encouraging all its members and supporters to take part in the campaign.]]></description>
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The logical disproof of the Biblical god concept to be presented involves malice toward none, is not an attack on particular religions nor a statement against religion in general, and is soley in the interest of enlightenment to the good.<br /><br />It involves only three definitions, each of which is self-evident. One is of a being, a second is of worship and the third is of a Biblical type god.<br /><br />The definition of a being is that of a perceiver who cannot know whether its perceptions have anything to do with an external reality. Of course Descartes defined himself as this type of entity on the basis of obviousness.&#160; Very exactly, in that we have no way to test whether our perceptions have anything to do with an external reality we cannot know whether they do.&#160; Additionally, however, our experiences suggest that when we dream or hallucinate we internally generate perceptions that seem very real but have nothing to do with an external reality.&#160; Accordingly, especially with empirical suggestions that we sometimes internally generate perceptions that seem very real but have nothing to do with an external reality, we cannot rule out that it is our nature to do so all of the time. Therefore, our definition of a being is self-evident.<br /><br />The definition of worship is veneration to the extent that its object is assumed to exist.&#160; In that one cannot worship something without acknowledging its existence this definition of worship is entirely consistent with the actual meaning of the word.<br /><br />The definition of a Biblical type god is that of a perfect (in goodness) being who holds that it is right for others to worship it. This is entirely consistent with the Biblical god concept.<br /><br />We shall proceed with a logical technique that involves reductio ad absurdum.&#160; That is, we shall first assume that a Biblical type god exists and from this using only logic arrive at a self-contradictory (absurd) proposition.&#160; This will leave only that a Biblical type god does not exist and the disproof will be complete.&#160; As such, assume that a Biblical type god exists.<br /><br />By definition it holds that it is right for others to worship it.&#160; By the definition of worship they must acknowledge its existence to do so.&#160; Accordingly, the Biblical type god holds that it is right for others to acknowledge its existence.&#160; However, they are beings.&#160; By definition it is impossible for them to acknowledge the existence of anything more than perceptions.&#160; Therefore, the Biblical type god holds that it is right for them to do something that is impossible. At the same time, by definition it is perfect.&#160; In this it does not hold that it is right for others to do something that is impossible. Consequently, we have both that the Biblical type god does and does not hold that it is right for others to do something that is impossible.<br /><br />This is the absurdity.&#160; Our only alternative is that a Biblical type god does not exist.<br /><br />Quod Erat Demonstrandum<br /><br />It is incidental that the Biblical type god would not know whether others existed.&#160; Notwithstanding, in its perfection it would not decide that they did much less that they did as perceived.&#160; Moreover, in that it would not decide that any who might exist would exist as perceived it would not decide that any who might exist were imperfect.&#160; That is, it would not decide that any who might exist were its subordinate.&#160; In this, a perfect being would not hold that it was right for others to worship it and the Biblical god concept is again self-contradictory.<br /><br />Analogously, of course, the Jesus concept is self-contradictory.<br /><br />As set forth at the beginning there is no vindictiveness in this writing.&#160; It is soley in the interest of enlightenment to the good. As it pertains to enlightenment to the good it is meant to convey that our ability to know an external reality (if there is one) is scientifically precluded by our perceiver nature and, in this, meaningful development as the entities we are may only be realized in the form of internal rewards.&#160; That is, it may only be realized through decisions that challenge the self in goodness of motive.&#160; Only these afford fulfillment in effort independently from certainty of result.<br /><br />John Jubinsky, MA–Mathematics, CPA, <a href="http://groups.google.ca/group/atheism-vs-christianity/browse_thread/thread/4a492c6d7a925983/0e8ea7ca6c9fdf91?hl=en#0e8ea7ca6c9fdf91">Atheism vs Christianity</a></div>
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The logical disproof of the Biblical god concept to be presented involves malice toward none, is not an attack on particular religions nor a statement against religion in general, and is soley in the interest of enlightenment to the good.<br /><br />It involves only three definitions, each of which is self-evident. One is of a being, a second is of worship and the third is of a Biblical type god.<br /><br />The definition of a being is that of a perceiver who cannot know whether its perceptions have anything to do with an external reality. Of course Descartes defined himself as this type of entity on the basis of obviousness.&nbsp; Very exactly, in that we have no way to test whether our perceptions have anything to do with an external reality we cannot know whether they do.&nbsp; Additionally, however, our experiences suggest that when we dream or hallucinate we internally generate perceptions that seem very real but have nothing to do with an external reality.&nbsp; Accordingly, especially with empirical suggestions that we sometimes internally generate perceptions that seem very real but have nothing to do with an external reality, we cannot rule out that it is our nature to do so all of the time. Therefore, our definition of a being is self-evident.<br /><br />The definition of worship is veneration to the extent that its object is assumed to exist.&nbsp; In that one cannot worship something without acknowledging its existence this definition of worship is entirely consistent with the actual meaning of the word.<br /><br />The definition of a Biblical type god is that of a perfect (in goodness) being who holds that it is right for others to worship it. This is entirely consistent with the Biblical god concept.<br /><br />We shall proceed with a logical technique that involves reductio ad absurdum.&nbsp; That is, we shall first assume that a Biblical type god exists and from this using only logic arrive at a self-contradictory (absurd) proposition.&nbsp; This will leave only that a Biblical type god does not exist and the disproof will be complete.&nbsp; As such, assume that a Biblical type god exists.<br /><br />By definition it holds that it is right for others to worship it.&nbsp; By the definition of worship they must acknowledge its existence to do so.&nbsp; Accordingly, the Biblical type god holds that it is right for others to acknowledge its existence.&nbsp; However, they are beings.&nbsp; By definition it is impossible for them to acknowledge the existence of anything more than perceptions.&nbsp; Therefore, the Biblical type god holds that it is right for them to do something that is impossible. At the same time, by definition it is perfect.&nbsp; In this it does not hold that it is right for others to do something that is impossible. Consequently, we have both that the Biblical type god does and does not hold that it is right for others to do something that is impossible.<br /><br />This is the absurdity.&nbsp; Our only alternative is that a Biblical type god does not exist.<br /><br />Quod Erat Demonstrandum<br /><br />It is incidental that the Biblical type god would not know whether others existed.&nbsp; Notwithstanding, in its perfection it would not decide that they did much less that they did as perceived.&nbsp; Moreover, in that it would not decide that any who might exist would exist as perceived it would not decide that any who might exist were imperfect.&nbsp; That is, it would not decide that any who might exist were its subordinate.&nbsp; In this, a perfect being would not hold that it was right for others to worship it and the Biblical god concept is again self-contradictory.<br /><br />Analogously, of course, the Jesus concept is self-contradictory.<br /><br />As set forth at the beginning there is no vindictiveness in this writing.&nbsp; It is soley in the interest of enlightenment to the good. As it pertains to enlightenment to the good it is meant to convey that our ability to know an external reality (if there is one) is scientifically precluded by our perceiver nature and, in this, meaningful development as the entities we are may only be realized in the form of internal rewards.&nbsp; That is, it may only be realized through decisions that challenge the self in goodness of motive.&nbsp; Only these afford fulfillment in effort independently from certainty of result.<br /><br />John Jubinsky, MA–Mathematics, CPA, <a href="http://groups.google.ca/group/atheism-vs-christianity/browse_thread/thread/4a492c6d7a925983/0e8ea7ca6c9fdf91?hl=en#0e8ea7ca6c9fdf91">Atheism vs Christianity</a></div>
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		<title>Live-Blogging the Tim Tebow Commercial</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2010/02/07/live-blogging-the-tim-tebow-commercial/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hemant Mehta</dc:creator>
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5:42 Third Commercial in.  Good placement.
***End live-blogging***
Well, that was fun.  
What should I do the rest of the night?

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<p>5:42 Third Commercial in.  Good placement.</p>
<p><strong>***End live-blogging***</strong></p>
<p>Well, that was fun.  </p>
<p>What should I do the rest of the night?<br />
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		<title>Deranged Baptist Missionaries charged with Child Kidnapping</title>
		<link>http://canterburyatheists.blogspot.com/2010/02/deranged-baptist-missionaries-charged.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Canterbury Atheists</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[“When God calls you to a certain mission and a specific action he’s not going to let it fail,” [father of one of the detained Christian kidnappers, Mel Coulter]Imagine you come across a child wandering, lost and distraught.The natural inclination...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div><em><span style="color:#3333ff;">“When God calls you to a certain mission and a specific action he’s not going to let it fail,” [father of one of the detained Christian kidnappers, Mel Coulter]</span></em></div><br /><div><em><span style="color:#3333ff;"></span></em></div><br /><div></div><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5435643540835220770" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 205px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uuEaCUoipUg/S29JAEkhPSI/AAAAAAAABbg/6ptrtoHPPVg/s320/Baptist+Kidnappers.jpg" border="0" /><br /><div><em></em></div>Imagine you come across a child wandering, lost and distraught.<br /><br />The natural inclination is to protect the safety of that child and then to re-unite him/her with their parents.<br /><br />That is what I would call a basic human response – one that is innate &amp; contained within the make-ups of all homo-sapiens as part of our common ancestry.<br /><br />A universal trait we are born with, to protect the young and vulnerable, but one which through indoctrination can be wiped-out and replaced with a more sinister motive.<br /><br />The American Baptist movement has for a couple of decades become the Christian equivalent of the Taliban. <a href="http://canterburyatheists.blogspot.com/2008/11/christian-terrorism-cultural-genocide.html">In the Indian province of Tripura their members have supported and funded terrorism.</a> Their rabid members wander the globe, foaming at the mouth and thumping bibles, on a mission from God to convert everyone to their cause – even if it means ripping young children from the arms of their parents. The laws of human-decency mean nothing to them. The end always justifies the means. In the twisted and dangerous minds of these zealots, it is in the child’s interests to be taken from their godless parents and re-educated. <br /><br />And when I mention abstract terms like ‘mission from god’ this is not just a journalistic liberty on my behalf to make these people look deranged. They do this quite well themselves.<br /><br />They literally believe god, the big Santa in the sky, tells them telepathically what to do – thus somehow justifying their actions – even when unlawful.     <br /><br />Their latest sickening and disturbing mission on behalf of their god (I’m guessing Yahweh?) is to seize children from their parents in the ravaged countryside of Haiti and take them across the border to the neighbouring Dominican Republic – where they would be put up for adoption to ‘nice white American Christian households.’ <br /><br />Fortunately these child kidnappers underestimated the Haitian authorities who arrested the ten involved in stealing 33 children (aged 2 to 12) at the border.<br /><br />Freed from her captors one nine-year old girl was crying, and telling authorities that “I am not an orphan. I still have my parents.”<br /><br />Shortly after that local police said the Dominican orphanage where the children were to end-up charging adoptive parents USD 10,000 a child. <br /><br />A nice little earner for someone – who I wonder?<br /><br />The missionaries now face a trial for child-kidnapping and criminal association – the later being an apt description of this literal ‘mission from god.’<br /><br />These ten missionaries are going to need more than just faith to survive in a Haitian prison and it would be a brave god to enter through its gates.  <br /><div><em></em></div><div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5352263427762940860-413505013999146310?l=canterburyatheists.blogspot.com' alt='' /></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Villains find burqas the perfect disguise</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Barry Duke</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ARMED robbers disguised in burqas escaped with thousands in cash after carrying out a post office raid in Paris.
The crime – which took place yesterday in the suburb of Athis Mons – comes as the French government faces growing calls for the controversial garments to be banned.
President Nicolas Sarkozy himself has described them as a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ARMED robbers disguised in burqas escaped with thousands in cash after carrying out <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1249157/Paris-Armed-robbers-disguised-burkhas-raid-bank.html">a post office raid in Paris</a>.</p>
<p>The crime – which took place yesterday in the suburb of Athis Mons – comes as the French government faces growing calls for the controversial garments to be banned.</p>
<p>President Nicolas Sarkozy himself has described them as a “security risk”, saying they provide the perfect cover for criminals or terrorists.</p>
<div id="attachment_11510" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 260px"><img class="size-full wp-image-11510" title="burqas" src="http://images.freethinker.co.uk/uploads/2010/02/burqas.jpg" alt="" width="250" height="323" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Innocent shoppers ... or robbers in drag?</p></div>
<p>Now those fighting for the ban claim the robbery – which is the first of its kind in France – shows how useful the burqa is as a disguise.</p>
<p>It took place at around 10.30am, when two robbers carrying pistols entered the main post office bank building in Athis Mons, which has a large immigrant Muslim community, mainly from North Africa.</p>
<p>Once inside they ordered a bank clerk to take out the equivalent of £4,000 in cash by pointing a pistol at him. After ten minutes they fled to a nearby car park and escaped.</p>
<p>Police fear that they will not be able to identify the robbers on CCTV cameras. Said one detective:</p>
<p>It was a perfect disguise. Their faces and bodies were completely covered.</p>
<p>The robbery led to <em>Le Parisien</em>, the main daily paper in the French capital, to ask:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Will this first robbery using a burqa re-launch the debate about the Islamic veil being worn in public places?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>A government committee has already recommended that burqas should not be allowed in civil buildings and on public transport, and a full ban could follow.</p>
<p>Britain is no stranger to burqa crime.</p>
<p>Last November two robbers – dressed in full-length women’s burkhas – pistol-whipped a post office manager <a href="http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/4765716.Gunmen_in_burkhas_raid_post_office/">during a daylight raid</a> in Bradford.</p>
<p>The attackers bundled their 38-year-old victim into the premises as he opened the shop.</p>
<p>They brutally struck him on the head with the butt of a handgun when he was unable to open a safe.</p>
<p>But the raiders then panicked and fled empty-handed when they saw a customer peering through the window of the post office, in Oak Lane, Manningham.</p>
<p>Last summer a robber dressed from head to toe in a traditional Muslim woman&#8217;s burqa raided a travel agent, and also made off with thousands in cash.</p>
<p>And in 2008, a 6ft 6in robber hidden beneath a burqa <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-541369/Robber-BURKA-Police-hunt-6ft-6in-jewellery-store-raider-disguised-Muslim-dress.html">was involved in a £200,000 raid</a> on a jewellery store in Smethwick, West Midlands.</p>
<p>You can read more about burqa villainy <a href="http://theopinionator.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/11/the-muslim-population-of-great-britain-has-put-strong-effort-into-convincing-the-british-that-it-is-a-right-and-mandate-for-m.html">here</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Hat tip: BarrieJohn</strong></p>
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		<title>The Tim Tebow Super Bowl Ad</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2010/02/07/the-tim-tebow-super-bowl-ad/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hemant Mehta</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s up at The Huffington Post.
The transcript:

Pam Tebow: I call him my miracle baby. He almost didn&#8217;t make it into this world. I remember so many times when I almost lost him. It was so hard. Well he&#8217;s all grown up now, and I still worry about his health. Everybody treats him like he&#8217;s different, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s up at <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/07/tim-tebow-super-bowl-ad-v_n_436383.html">The Huffington Post</a>.</p>
<p>The transcript:</p>
<blockquote><p>
<strong>Pam Tebow</strong>: I call him my miracle baby. He almost didn&#8217;t make it into this world. I remember so many times when I almost lost him. It was so hard. Well he&#8217;s all grown up now, and I still worry about his health. Everybody treats him like he&#8217;s different, but to me, he&#8217;s just my baby. He&#8217;s my Timmy, and I love him.</p>
<p><strong>Tim Tebow</strong>: Thanks mom. Love you too.
</p></blockquote>
<p>The most controversial thing there?</p>
<p>At the end of the commercial is a message to go to Focus on the Family&#8217;s website for more information.</p>
<p>Can we move on now?<br />
<br /></p>
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		<title>You Have To Leave Creating Change To Start Creating Change</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ZackFord</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, for some reason I&#8217;m getting back to Pennsylvania tonight via one of the only flights still going to Washington, DC. I feel really bad for some of my colleagues who will be stuck in Dallas perhaps as late as Tuesday. For now, I&#8217;m reprising my post-from-the-airport as I leave the National Conference on LGBT [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, for some reason I&#8217;m getting back to Pennsylvania tonight via one of the only flights still going to Washington, DC. I feel really bad for some of my colleagues who will be stuck in Dallas perhaps as late as Tuesday. For now, I&#8217;m reprising my post-from-the-airport as I leave the National Conference on LGBT Equality.</p>
<p>The trick about Creating Change is that it truly is a refreshing experience, but the challenge isn&#8217;t just to ride that fresh energy, but to utilize it. Yes, there is the withdrawal of saying farewell to a queer space and going back to the world of heterosexual privilege. But there is also the thrill of knowing that you have a ton of new information and skills to channel into important advocacy work. We go to Creating Change to learn and connect so that we truly can spend the next year creating change.</p>
<p>My &#8220;liveblogging&#8221; of the conference will continue this week as I continue to share many of the sessions I attended, as well as a new nine-profile Faces For Equality collection I&#8217;ll roll out over the next few weeks. I met some amazing people and reconnected with many others. I hope to share as much of this experience with you, my reader, as I can. So many of us have that passion for making a difference in the world through queer advocacy, and the more we share and learn from each other, the better.</p>
<p>Stay tuned for a whole lot more coverage from the Creating Change 2010 conference as well as more of the regular ZFb coverage you can expect!</p>

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		<title>The US Stimulus worked, so why not another one?</title>
		<link>http://thebrightlibertarian.blogspot.com/2010/02/us-stimulus-worked-so-why-not-another.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Allen Small</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually the first stimulus, $787 billion US&#160;didn't work. Don't take my word, check out what Dan Mitchell a Senior Fellow at CATO has to say. Then check out his blog which links to more videos from the Center for Freedom and Prosperity.http://www....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Actually the first stimulus, $787 billion US&nbsp;didn't work. Don't take my word, check out what Dan Mitchell a Senior Fellow at CATO has to say. Then check out his <a href="http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/">blog</a> which links to more videos from the Center for Freedom and Prosperity.<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=985C0uh1HKA">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=985C0uh1HKA</a><br /><object height="344" width="425"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/985C0uh1HKA&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/985C0uh1HKA&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object><div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5581081264152283332-4385824381728055882?l=thebrightlibertarian.blogspot.com' alt='' /></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>a carl sagan mosaic:  the video</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>toomanytribbles</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[remember <a href="http://toomanytribbles.blogspot.com/2010/01/blog-post.html">the carl sagan mosaic crispian jago created last month</a>?  well, here's <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxugnBe5rLw" target="_blank">a video with a zoom-out on it paired with <i>cosmos</i> music</a>.<br /><br /><div class="blogger-post-footer">copyright © 2009 <hr />  <a href="http://toomanytribbles.blogspot.com/">toomanytribbles</a>. this feed is for personal non-commercial use only.<img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29870334-3564520900229485725?l=toomanytribbles.blogspot.com' alt='' /></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[remember <a href="http://toomanytribbles.blogspot.com/2010/01/blog-post.html" target-"_blank">the carl sagan mosaic crispian jago created last month</a>?  well, here's <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxugnBe5rLw" >a video with a zoom-out on it paired with <i>cosmos</i> music</a>.<br /><br /><object width="480" height="295"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/CxugnBe5rLw&hl=en_US&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x3a3a3a&color2=0x999999&hd=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/CxugnBe5rLw&hl=en_US&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x3a3a3a&color2=0x999999&hd=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="295"></embed></object><div class="blogger-post-footer">copyright © 2009 <hr />  <a href="http://toomanytribbles.blogspot.com/">toomanytribbles</a>. this feed is for personal non-commercial use only.<img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/29870334-3564520900229485725?l=toomanytribbles.blogspot.com' alt='' /></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Short Hiatus</title>
		<link>http://gaytheists.org/?p=1050</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>J.R. Braden</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m taking a short hiatus to work on a few other writing projects.  Badger the others on Twitter to keep yourselves entertained.
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		<title>Sabio bites the dust</title>
		<link>http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2010/02/07/sabio-bites-the-dust/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sabio Lantz</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, I admit, this post&#8217;s title was a cheap, journalistic trick, but in a way, it is true:  People may soon notice that my icon has changed and leaping-Sabio is gone! Sniffle &#8230;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<br /><p><a rel="attachment wp-att-3117" href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2010/02/07/sabio-bites-the-dust/sabio-bites-the-dust_med/"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-3117" title="Sabio bites the dust_med" src="http://triangulations.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/sabio-bites-the-dust_med.png?w=360&#038;h=174" alt="" width="360" height="174" /></a>OK, I admit, this post&#8217;s title was a cheap, journalistic trick, but in a way, it is true:  People may soon notice that my icon has changed and leaping-Sabio is gone! Sniffle &#8230;</p>
<p>When I began this blog one year ago, I decided that due to the nature of the material and the community I lived in, I would use a fictitious name and symbol to keep my pedestrian identity secret.  So while trying to create a icon, I ran upon a leaping paleolithic hunter on some nutrition sites and decided to photoshop the fellow over a setting sun and call it my own.  Thus, the Sabio you know and love was born.    But alas, little did I know that this silhouetted  primal maniac was someone&#8217;s official corporate logo.  And this week I got the following letter in my e-mail box.</p>
<p style="padding-left:30px;"><span style="color:#800000;">Hello, Sabio,<br />
My name is Aaron Fox. I am the editor of MarksDailyApple.com and the GM of Primal Nutrition, Inc. It was brought to my attention that you are using our brand logo on your site as your own. Our image of &#8220;Grok&#8221; is the logo for the Primal Blueprint brand. As such we ask that you remove the graphic from your site (as seen here) in the manner in which it is used. Thank you for your cooperation.<br />
&#8211;<br />
Aaron Fox, Editor<br />
www.MarksDailyApple.com<br />
Serving up health and fitness insights (daily, of course) with a side of irreverence.<br />
</span></p>
<p>So, to protect my legal butt and because it is the right thing to do (in that order), I have changed my icon.   BTW, <a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2010/02/07/sabio-bites-the-dust/www.MarksDailyApple.com" >Marks&#8217; Daily Apple</a> is a fantastic website for carnivores and/or people interested in nutrition, exercise and health!</p>
<p>In deciding on my new icon, I used a well-researched principle of mythology:  To make a myth easy to remember and thus effective one should tell a fairly normal story and only change one or two facts to be extra-normal or miraculous.  Thus, I am leaving the sun the same and only changing the leaping-lad into an ouroboros &#8212; boy, I hope he is not someone&#8217;s property.   I use the self-consuming <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros">Ouroborus</a> as a symbol for the undoing of self, a theme in my blog.  The Ouroborus is appropriately also used in myths, like the Phoenix, as a symbol for re-birth or eternal return.   The rising sun is a symbol for optimism, strength, inspiration and support.</p>
<p>Though my former version of Sabio has &#8220;passed on&#8221;, I am not saddened.  One of my favorite posts, called <a href="http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2009/07/26/mini-deaths/" >Mini-Deaths,</a> describes why.  Oddly enough, that post was read by few because I posted it back-to-back with another post.  <strong>Hint</strong>:  If you really have a post you want your readers to see, don&#8217;t post back to back or only the most devoted and diligent readers will find it &#8212; and don&#8217;t be deluded that you have any of those readers.  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So, I thought some of you may enjoy the story and I thought it wise to head off questions and so this post.  It will take time for my new symbol to propagate over the web.  Some of the places I have had to change it are:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.blogger.com/start" >bloggers.com</a> (which I established to comment on blogspot blogs.</li>
<li><a href="http://en.gravatar.com/" >gravatar</a> (for your universally recognized avatar)</li>
<li>WordPress.com <a href="http://girliemangalo.wordpress.com/2009/05/20/favicon-tricks-in-wordpress-and-bloggerblogspot/" >Favicon</a> ( btw, if you have a wordpress, account, try jazzing it up with a flavicon!)</li>
<li><a href="http://intensedebate.com/signup" >Intense Debate</a> (another commenting tool used by some sites)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.atheistnexus.org/" >Atheist Nexus</a> (a great site)</li>
</ul>
<p>Who&#8217;d have guessed it would take so much work to change an image.  If you find my icon elsewhere on locations I have forgotten, please let me know so I can wipe leaping-Sabio off this etheric plane !  And BTW, I am updating my blog&#8217;s organizing, so if you subscribe by e-mail, you may be getting hit with several posts over the next few days &#8212; sorry.</p>
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		<title>two trends in the united states of america</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>toomanytribbles</dc:creator>
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		<title>Photo Sunday: Pharaoh Lake Sunrise</title>
		<link>http://www.daylightatheism.org/2010/02/photo-sunday-xiii.html</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ebonmuse</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This week's guest contributor says:
"This is why it pays to rise with the sun. Very few people are blessed with the experience of a wilderness sunrise such as this gem. After a morning like this, the world cannot help but seem a miraculous place."



Sunrise, Pharaoh Lake, Adirondack State Park. Photo credit: Jim Sabiston, Essential Light [...]]]></description>
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"This is why it pays to rise with the sun. Very few people are blessed with the experience of a wilderness sunrise such as this gem. After a morning like this, the world cannot help but seem a miraculous place."



Sunrise, Pharaoh Lake, Adirondack State Park. Photo credit: Jim Sabiston, Essential Light [...]]]></content:encoded>
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