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    <title>Obscure things have already been said (PoemTalk #53)</title>
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                    &lt;h3 class="subtitle"&gt;Joan Retallack, &amp;quot;Not a Cage&amp;quot;&lt;/h3&gt;        &lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/podcasts/PoemTalk/PoemTalk-53-Retallack-Not_a_Cage.mp3"&gt;LISTEN TO THE SHOW&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One day Joan Retallack decided it was time to discard some books and journals from her personal library. Among them were Martin Buber’s &lt;em&gt;I and Thou&lt;/em&gt;; a collection of short stories by David Kranes (Utah Press, 1979) called &lt;em&gt;Hunters in the Snow&lt;/em&gt;; a 1974 volume of poems by Richard Howard; a published interview with Rita Dove; 1981 issues of &lt;em&gt;The Socialist Review&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Georgia Review&lt;/em&gt;; an issue of the &lt;em&gt;Chicago Review&lt;/em&gt; that included an important line of Dante; books of poetry by Maxine Kumin, Ai, Burt Hatlen and Thomas McGrath; a 1988 number of &lt;em&gt;Gargoyle&lt;/em&gt; magazine in which was published a poem by Angel Gonzalez beginning “The most obscure things have already been said”; &lt;em&gt;Nuns and Soldiers&lt;/em&gt; by Iris Murdoch; &lt;em&gt;Explanation and Understanding&lt;/em&gt; by Georg Henrik von Wright (Cornell, 1971); and others. This act of elimination, which on the contrary turned out to be a recycling and an archiving, produced &lt;a href="http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/240870"&gt;a poem&lt;/a&gt; she came to call “Not a Cage,” after John Cage. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://jacket2.org/commentary/obscure-things-have-already-been-said-poemtalk-53" target="_blank"&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Poemtalk/~4/NUHoahitgSw" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description>
     <category domain="http://jacket2.org/category/commentary-tags/danny-snelson">Danny Snelson</category>
 <category domain="http://jacket2.org/category/commentary-tags/jena-osman">Jena Osman</category>
 <category domain="http://jacket2.org/category/commentary-tags/joan-retallack">Joan Retallack</category>
 <category domain="http://jacket2.org/category/al-filreis-tags/john-cage">John Cage</category>
 <category domain="http://jacket2.org/category/commentary-tags/jonathan-monroe">Jonathan Monroe</category>
 <pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 14:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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    <title>Where the real exceeds the ideal (PoemTalk #52)</title>
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                    &lt;h3 class="subtitle"&gt;Cole Swensen, &amp;quot;If a Garden of Numbers&amp;quot;&lt;/h3&gt;        &lt;/div&gt;
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                    &lt;figure&gt;&lt;img src="http://jacket2.org/sites/jacket2.org/files/imagecache/wide_main_column/Vaux-le-Vicomte-by-le-Notre_0.png" alt="" title="The Gardens of the Château de Vaux-le-Vicomte."  class="imagecache imagecache-wide_main_column" /&gt;&lt;figcaption&gt;The Gardens of the Château de Vaux-le-Vicomte.&lt;/figcaption&gt;&lt;/figure&gt;        &lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://media.sas.upenn.edu/pennsound/podcasts/PoemTalk/PoemTalk-52-Swensen-If_a_Garden_of_Numbers.mp3"&gt;LISTEN TO THE SHOW&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cole Swensen’s book &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520254640"&gt;Ours&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; is a sequence of poems — or is perhaps best described as a poetic project. André Le Nôtre (1613-1700) was the principal gardener of King Louis XIV; he designed and led the construction of the park of the Palace of Versailles. The poems in Swensen’s book indicate a range of interests in Le Nôtre’s work and beyond, but his Gardens of the Château de Vaux-le-Vicomte are of special interest, and they are the topic of the poem we chose to discuss, “If a Garden of Numbers.”&amp;nbsp; The poem, and our talk about it, raised a number of compelling questions. Are historical research and the lyric compatible? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://jacket2.org/commentary/where-real-exceeds-ideal-poemtalk-52" target="_blank"&gt;read more&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Poemtalk/~4/El0ILc0MjQY" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description>
     <category domain="http://jacket2.org/category/commentary-tags/ann-seaton">Ann Seaton</category>
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 <category domain="http://jacket2.org/category/al-filreis-tags/gregory-djanikian">Gregory Djanikian</category>
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 <pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 19:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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    <title>PoemTalk commended in the "New York Times"</title>
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jacket2&lt;/em&gt; and “PoemTalk” are recommended in a recent &lt;a href="http://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/27/what-were-reading-401"&gt;“What We're Reading”&lt;/a&gt; section of &lt;em&gt;The New York Times&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Poemtalk/~4/01pZH1ZE8KA" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</description>
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 <pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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