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			<title>Skyscrapers across the nation are going green ... or going out of business. Good article.</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[NEW YORK &#8211; When owners of the Empire State Building decided to blanket its towering facade this year with thousands of insulating windows, they were...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>NEW YORK &#8211; When owners of the Empire State Building decided to blanket its towering facade this year with thousands of insulating windows, they were only partly interested in saving energy...<br />
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Statistics show that office buildings around that nation that are not energy efficient (LEED certified), have a noticeably higher vacancy rate than office buildings that advertise &quot;energy efficient building.&quot;<br />
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Chicago's Sears Tower announced late last month that it will embark on a five-year, $350 million green renovation. The 110-story, staggered skyscraper, which turned 36 this year, will crown its rooftops with solar panels, wind turbines and up to 35,000 square feet of sunlight-absorbing gardens.<br />
                 When complete, the improvements will cut the tower's annual electricity use by 80 percent and save 24 million gallons of water, property managers say...<br />
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That's because in recent years environmental retrofits have begun to pay off for owners and tenants alike. Higher-profile companies are seeking out more efficient office space, and new technology at older buildings has started to translate into higher property values, leases and occupancy rates.<br />
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Full story: <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090704/ap_on_bi_ge/us_signature_skyscrapers_efficiency" target="_blank">Iconic skyscrapers find new luster in green tech - Yahoo! News</a><br />
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			<title><![CDATA[Calfornia State Butterfly, it's host plant and me.]]></title>
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				“I’d say only one of every 10,000 Californians has ever seen the butterfly in the wild,”  Shapiro said. <br />
“People rarely see them because their habitat isn't exactly densely inhabited and they tend to fly high up in the trees,” Shapiro said. “People aren't familiar with them and don't really know what to look for, or where—which is perhaps just as well for the butterfly AND for people who get poison oak!”
			
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</div>This was the quote that got me so interested in this insect! I just couldn't imagine something so colorful and not &quot;endangered&quot; would be so rarely seen. A local birdwatcher and volunteer for the Sierra Foothills Audubon Society remembered seeing the host plant, the sole food source for the larval form of the dog-face butterfly, on one of our small nature preserves and expressed interest in looking for signs of the butterfly.<br />
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Last summer we took a trip to the preserve which is only several miles up the road but requires entry through multiple gates and private property. In addition to it's remote location the road leading to the preserve requires the use of a 4wd vehicle to make it through the rocky gulleys. Once there we were greeted with a small handful of female dog-face butterflies and the host plant, <i>Amorpha californica </i>(False indigo). It was a great day and very exciting to get to see this creature in the wild instead of pinned to a piece of mounting board.<br />
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Fast forward to a week ago.... We revisited the site with my colleagues and a local wholesale plant nursery owner and his wife. The plan was to obtain seeds from the <i>Amorpha californica</i> (False indigo) plant so that we could grow them out at the nursery and transplant them onto a more accessible preserve located in the city of Auburn so that children and other nature lovers could have an easy access site to view these wonderful species. <br />
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During this visit we left speechless when before we could even get out of the vehicle properly we saw a male dog-face fluttering by then settle onto a coyote mint flower! I was awestruck but reached for my camera and crashed through the brush heedless of the poison oak I may catch but hellbent on getting a photo. I was rewarded with a clean shot for ID purposes and I don't <i>think</i> I touched any poison oak. See pic 1 for the shot<br />
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For the next two hours we wandered on and off the trail attempting to collect any Amorpha californica seeds that were left on the plant. We were a couple weeks late for collection but so little information is available on this plant I am happy we found any seed at all. During this time were were surrounded by mostly male dog-face butterflies with the occasional female. There were so many that at any giving time there was at least one in sight. This, according to the literature, is not a common occurrence at all. <br />
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At this point I have to admit to a secret agenda. I know scientists and land preservationist are supposed to be altruistic and all about the data but I had a self-serving mission in mind.... You see, the dog-face butterfly lands and feeds with it's wings closed. It does not open and close them as most butterflies do and so one cannot get a decent picture of on with its wings open. It only opens them when it flies away and thus makes picture taking VERY difficult without an expensive camera and a lot of luck as these butterflies are generally &quot;high fliers&quot; and are not usually seen below 12'-20' in the air. In an email conversation with one of California's great butterfly experts Dr. Art Shapiro, a UC Davis professor of evolution and ecology, he stated that if I got a good picture of the male dog-face with its wings open he would buy me a beer. Yes, I know it is sad to think that this secret mission all comes down to a beer but hey, when someone as renowned as Art offers you a beer for a picture I consider it a call to action and not just for the satisfying first swallow of Alaskan Summer Ale!!! :rockon:<br />
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The following are pictures taken during our visits to the preserve. While not as high quality as I would like, they still paint the picture much better than my feeble words can. :)<br />
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			<title>Conclusions from suppressed EPA report on CO2 Endangerment</title>
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			<description>The EPA is in the process of determining whether CO2 should be regulated as a dangerous pollutant under the clean air act. Their own researchers...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>The EPA is in the process of determining whether CO2 should be regulated as a dangerous pollutant under the clean air act. Their own researchers produced a 98 page report that was critical of such a finding.  Unfortunately for science, the EPA has suppressed the report under political pressure.  Just what does the suppressed report conclude?  <br />
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<i>&#8220;The current Draft TSD is based largely on the IPCC AR4 report, which is at best three years out of date in a rapidly changing field. There have been important developments in areas that deserve careful attention in this draft.&#8221;</i> Then the report goes on to list specific problems with the IPCC driven interpretation of climate change, including:<blockquote><ul><li><i>Global temperatures have declined&#8212;extending the current downtrend to ll years with a particularly rapid decline in 2007-8; in addition, the PDO [Pacific Decadal Oscillation] went negative in September, 2007 and the AMO [Atlantic multidecadal Oscillation] in January, 2009, respectively. At the same time atmospheric CO2 levels have continued to increase and CO2 emissions have accelerated. <br />
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<li><i>The consensus on past, present and future Atlantic hurricane behavior has changed. Initially, it tilted towards the idea that anthropogenic global warming is leading to (and will lead to) to more frequent and intense storms. Now the consensus is much more neutral, arguing that future Atlantic tropical cyclones will be little different that those of the past.<br />
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<li><i>The idea that warming temperatures will cause Greenland to rapidly shed its ice has been greatly diminished by new results indicating little evidence for the operation of such processes.<br />
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<li><i>One of the worst economic recessions since World War II has greatly decreased GHG emissions compared to the assumptions made by the IPCC. To the extent that ambient GHG levels are relevant for future global temperatures, these emissions reductions should greatly influence the adverse effects of these emissions on public health and welfare. The current draft TSD does not reflect the changes that have already occurred nor those that are likely to occur in the future as a result of the recession. In fact, the topic is not even discussed to our knowledge.<br />
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<li><i>A new 2009 paper finds that the crucial assumption in the GCM models used by the IPCC concerning strongly positive feedback from water vapor is not supported by empirical evidence and that the feedback is actually negative.<br />
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<li><i>A new 2009 paper by Scafetta and West suggests that the IPCC used faulty solar data in dismissing the direct effect of solar variability on global temperatures. Their research suggests that solar variability could account for up to 68% of the increase in Earth&#8217;s global temperatures.<br />
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</ul></blockquote>They then say: &quot;<i>These six developments alone should greatly influence any assessment of &#8216;vulnerability, risk, and impacts' of climate change within the U.S. But these are just a few of the new developments since 2006.&#8221; </i><br />
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The report also notes other important inconsistencies between the temperature and other scientific data and the GHG/CO2 hypothesis and suggests that these inconsistencies would need to be carefully explained for the draft TSD to be credible.  They state:<blockquote><ul><li><i>(A) By far the best single explanation for global temperature fluctuations is variations in the PDO/ENSO. ENSO appears to operate in a 3-5 year cycle. PDO/AMO appear to operate in about a 60-year cycle. This is not really explained in the draft TSD but needs to be, or, at the very least, there needs to be an explanation as to why OAR believes that these evident cycles do not exist or why they are much more unimportant than we believe them to be.<br />
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<li><i>( B )There appears to be a strong association between solar sunspots/irradiance and global. temperature fluctuations. It is unclear exactly how this operates, but it may be through indirect solar variability on cloud formation. This topic is not really explored in the Draft TSD but needs to be since otherwise the effects of solar variationsmay be misattributed to the effects of changes in GHG levels.<br />
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<li><i>(C) Changes in GHG concentrations appear to have so little effect that it is difficult to find any effect in the satellite temperature record, which started in 1978.<br />
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<li><i>(D) The surface measurements (HADCRUT) are more ambiguous than the satellite measurements in that the increasing temperatures shown since the mid-1970s could either be due to the rapid growth of urbanization and the heat island effect or by the increase in GHG levels. However, since no such increase is shown in the satellite record it appears more likely that urbanization and the UHI effect are the most likely cause. If so, the increases may have little to do with GHGs and everything to do with the rapid urbanization during the period. Given the discrepancy between surface temperature records in the 1940-75 and 1998-2008 and the increases in GHG levels during these periods it appears even more unlikely that GHGs have much effect on measured surface temperatures either. These points need to be very carefully and fully discussed in the draft TSD if it is be scientifically credible.<br />
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<li><i>(E) Hence it is not reasonable to conclude that there is any endangerment from changes in GHG levels based on the satellite record, since almost all the fluctuations appear to be due to natural causes and not human-caused pollution as defined by the Clean Air Act. The surface record is more equivocal but needs to be carefully discussed, which would require substantial revision of the Draft TSD.<br />
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<li><i>(F) There is a strong possibility that there are some other natural causes of global temperature fluctuations that we do not yet fully understand and which may account for the 1998 temperature peak which appears on both the satellite and surface temperature records. This possibility needs to be fully explained and discussed in the Draft TSD. Until and unless these and many other inconsistencies referenced in these comments are adequately explained it would appear premature to attribute all or even any of what warming has occurred to changes in GHG/CO2 atmospheric levels. <br />
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</ul> <i>These inconsistencies are so important and sufficiently abstruse that in our view EPA needs to make an independent analysis of the science of global warming rather than adopting the conclusions of the IPCC and CCSP without much more careful and independent EPA staff review than is evidenced by the Draft TSD. </i><br />
 </blockquote><blockquote><i>As discussed in these comments, we believe our concerns and reservations are sufficiently important to warrant a serious review of the science by EPA before any attempt is made to reach conclusions on the subject.<br />
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No wonder the report was suppressed.</blockquote></div>

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			<title><![CDATA[Synthesis Report - Climate Change "Global Risks, Challenges, & Decisions"]]></title>
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			<description>Due to the importance of this global conference and the information contained in the report I felt it was best to create a separate thread for it...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Due to the importance of this global conference and the information contained in the report I felt it was best to create a separate thread for it rather than allowing it to be lost in the garbage of &quot;that other thread&quot;. :)<br />
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The report can be found here: <a href="http://climatecongress.ku.dk/" target="_blank">Climate Change Congress &amp;ndash; University of Copenhagen</a> or directly at <a href="http://climatecongress.ku.dk/pdf/synthesisreport" target="_blank">http://climatecongress.ku.dk/pdf/synthesisreport</a><br />
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Here is a brief preface of the report:<br />
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				<font size="2">furthers understanding of the impacts of human influence on the climate </font><font size="2">and the response options and approaches that are available to tackle this </font><font size="2">complex issue. To bring this new knowledge together, the International </font><font size="2">Alliance of Research Universities</font>
			
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				<b><font face="Frutiger-Bold"><font color="#ff00ff"><font face="Frutiger-Bold"><font color="#ff00ff"><font face="Frutiger-Bold"><font color="#ff00ff">i </font></font></font></font></font></font></b><font face="Frutiger-Light"><font face="Frutiger-Light">organised an international scientific congress on climate change, </font></font><i><font face="Frutiger-LightItalic"><font face="Frutiger-LightItalic">Climate Change: Global Risks, Challenges and Decisions</font></font></i><font face="Frutiger-Light"><font face="Frutiger-Light">, which was held in Copenhagen from 10-12 March 2009. Participation in the Congress was open to all. Most of the approximately 2500 people attending the Congress were researchers, many of whom </font></font><font face="Frutiger-Light"><font face="Frutiger-Light">have also been contributors to the IPCC reports. Participants came from nearly 80 different countries and contributed with more than 1400 scientific presentations. Abstracts for all of the scientific presentations made can be found at <a href="http://www.iop.org/EJ/volume/1755-1315/6" target="_blank">www.iop.org/EJ/volume/1755-1315/6</a>, and a transcript of the closing plenary session can be found at environmentalresearchweb.org/cws/article/opinion/39126.</font><div align="left"><br />
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<div align="left"><font face="Frutiger-Light">This synthesis report presents an up-to-date overview of a broad range of research relevant to climate change &#8211; including fundamental climate science, the impacts of a changing climate on society and environment, and the many tools and approaches available to deal effectively with the challenge of climate change. The report has been produced by a writing team comprised of members of the Scientific Steering Committee for the IARU Congress and individuals invited to give the writing team academic and geographic breadth. It is based on the 16 plenary talks given at the Congress as well as input from over 80 chairs and cochairs of the 58 parallel sessions held at the Congress. The names of the plenary speakers and the chairs and co-chairs of the parallel sessions</font><br />
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<font face="Frutiger-Light">has, in addition to presentations at the Congress, drawn upon recent publications in the scientific literature to create this synthesis. This report has been critically reviewed by representatives of the Earth System Science Partnership (ESSP)</font></div></div></font><div align="left"><div align="left"><b><font face="Frutiger-Bold"><font color="#ff00ff"><font face="Frutiger-Bold"><font color="#ff00ff"><font face="Frutiger-Bold"><font color="#ff00ff">ii</font></font></font></font></font></font></b><font face="Frutiger-Light"><font size="1"><font face="Frutiger-Light"><font size="1"><font size="2">, by the parallel session chairs and </font><font size="2">co-chairs, and by up to four independent researchers from each IARU </font><font size="2">university. This extensive review process has been implemented to ensure </font><font size="2">that the messages contained in the report are solidly and accurately </font><font size="2">based on the new research produced since the last IPCC Report, and </font><font size="2">that they faithfully reflect the most recent work of the international </font><font size="2">climate change research community</font></font></font></font></font></div></div>
			
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			<title>US House of Reps 2009 Climate Change Bill</title>
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			<description>Slated to start in 2012, most permits will be free, but those that are not will cost $13/ton CO2. Using petrol as an example, this is 13 cents/gallon...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Slated to start in 2012, most permits will be free, but those that are not will cost $13/ton CO2. Using petrol as an example, this is 13 cents/gallon tax.<br />
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			<title>Typical water usage?</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:06:41 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Since some here are in regions with serious water depletion issues, I thought it might be interesting to hear what typical water usages are for forum...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Since some here are in regions with serious water depletion issues, I thought it might be interesting to hear what typical water usages are for forum members.<br />
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I'll start with my own (two adults, two kids, modest yard):<br />
In-home use ran about 5.8 kgal/month over the past year.<br />
Lawn use ran about 10.1 kgal/year. The annual total was a little less than 80 kgal/year. Rates here are about $3+/kgal.<br />
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Primary water consumption for us is four showers/day, 1 dishwasher load/day, 1 load of laundry/day, handwash of misc. dishes 2-3 times/week, cooking use 1-2 times day, some lavatory sink use, uknown number of toilet flushes.<br />
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I've taken a few steps that have reduced our consumption, some of which are already reflected in the average above: 1 low flow showerhead, 1 front loading washer, insulating hot water lines (so that taps/showers come to temp faster.) I'm a believer in minimal lawn watering but took over from someone who seriously overwatered the lawn, so I had to water it more than I liked last year to keep it alive.<br />
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This year's water conservation plans include: another low flow showerhead for the master bath and one high efficiency Toto toilet (1.28 gpf). If the high efficiency toilet works well, then I'll probably repeat in the other two baths. As I understand it the ecoDrake I'm looking at can be converted back to 1.6 gpf by changing flappers so there is little risk in the experiment. The current 1994 vintage toilets are marginal flushers, retiring the plunger is the primary motivator for replacing them. Hopefully the above changes will knock water use down by another 1 kgal/month and get us down to around 4 kgal/month excluding lawn irrigation.</div>

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			<dc:creator>Shawn Clark</dc:creator>
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			<title>Is play doh compostable?</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:59:13 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[It's mostly non toxic wheat and food coloring right?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>It's mostly non toxic wheat and food coloring right?</div>

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			<title>Air has elevated cancer risk in 600 neighborhoods</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:12:15 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Air has elevated cancer risk in 600 neighborhoods - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090624/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_air_toxics) 
 
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&quot;WASHINGTON – Millions of people living in nearly 600 neighborhoods across the country are breathing concentrations of toxic air pollutants that put them at a much greater risk of contracting cancer, according to new data from the Environmental Protection Agency...&quot;</div>

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			<title><![CDATA[What's the best rebuttal link against ethanol?]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:10:10 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[need one to win a debate for prius against diesel where the diesel's supposed winning argument is that it can use biofuels.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>need one to win a debate for prius against diesel where the diesel's supposed winning argument is that it can use biofuels.</div>

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			<title>The non-green bike</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:15:33 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>We all know that biking is a green thing to do.  Unless you want one of these.  But you have to admit, as kids we all wished we had one.  :) 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>We all know that biking is a green thing to do.  Unless you want one of these.  But you have to admit, as kids we all wished we had one.  :)<br />
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<a href="http://gizmodo.com/5301020/just-1200-stands-between-you-and-death-by-jet-bike" target="_blank">Gizmodo - Just $1200 Stands Between You and Death by Jet Bike - Jet Bike</a></div>

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			<title>How many times will you use a ziplock bag?</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:35:19 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[For the storage of frozen fruit(for my smoothies) I'll pretty much wash them and use them indefinitely until they rip open and become unusable. I...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>For the storage of frozen fruit(for my smoothies) I'll pretty much wash them and use them indefinitely until they rip open and become unusable. I have to say, for being a disposable item, they last for a long time. We are still on the same box of zips that we purchased 6 years ago.</div>

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			<title>Healthy products for a safer environment</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:02:09 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>We all should encourage the use of natural and environment friendly objects at our homes and other places.  Let’s stop using products that are...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>We all should encourage the use of natural and environment friendly objects at our homes and other places.  Let’s stop using products that are harmful and work towards a greener and healthier environment.</div>

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			<title>PV production and the Summer Solstice</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 03:26:13 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>The Summer Solstice was at 1:45 a.m. EDT on June 21, 2009. It was kind of cloudy here all day Sunday ... just like the prior 2 weeks. But TODAY?...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>The Summer Solstice was at 1:45 a.m. EDT on June 21, 2009. It was kind of cloudy here all day Sunday ... just like the prior 2 weeks. But TODAY? Monday !?!?! ... all day sun! Adding the results of the 2 inverters (each capable of doing 4Kwh) together we got (drum roll) FIFTY &amp; 3/4 Kwh today! Woo hoo! Not the longest day, but darn close. Since we've been up &amp; running now for about 1/2 a year, we can do calc's for the rest of the year. That 50Kwh number sounds impressive to me, but with roughly 14 hours of daylight at our So Cal Lattitude, that's actually less than 4Kwh per hour. Once you factor in Winter months with roughly 9hrs of light ... and the sun not going anywhere NEAR as high in the sky ... well it makes me wonder. Our panels are rated at 225 watts each. Times 36 panels and you have a HUGE number. But in reality, with panel angles never being perfectly aligned during the day (except for maybe a couple minutes) ... that &quot;advertising number&quot; gets bumped down quite a bit. Not that we're crying ... what with a 190Kwh surplus. It's just funny how the numbers go.</div>

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			<title>Want to see the cost of oil addiction?</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:39:27 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[If anyone wants a pretty good look at the craziness of our oil addiction I suggest you read "Tar Sands: Dirty Oil and the Future of a Continent" by...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>If anyone wants a pretty good look at the craziness of our oil addiction I suggest you read &quot;Tar Sands: Dirty Oil and the Future of a Continent&quot; by Andrew Nikiforuk.<br />
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It is a bit of a Polemic,, but it give startling insight to the economics, politics, and environmental disaster that is Northern Albertan Tar sand development.  If you are &quot;green&quot; and you drive, you participate and this is an area where one should have one's eyes opened,, as too many North American's don't have a clue about!<br />
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Icarus</div>

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			<title>Paper water bottle offers renewable alternative to plastic</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 23:55:06 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[The 360 Paper Water bottle is an innovative, single-serve water bottle made from 100% renewable material - yes, it's paper - or more specifically...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>The 360 Paper Water bottle is an innovative, single-serve water bottle made from 100% renewable material - yes, it's paper - or more specifically bamboo or palm leaves. Made from sustainable sheet stock such as bamboo, the bottle features a lid which peels off into two pieces, one piece keeps the top clean from dust or other contaminants and the other can be reattached to seal the bottle. As the bottles can be produced on a single line and bundled for shipping, extra packaging can be eliminated, making this bottle a very cool environmental solution to reducing the number of plastic bottles Full article <a href="http://www.gizmag.com/360-paper-water-bottle/11927/" target="_blank">360 Paper water bottle offers renewable alternative to plastic</a></div>

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