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			<title>Another Hybrid car from Toyota in Japan: Vellfire van</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:30:22 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I don't know if anybody was aware of this, but there is a van I found out today "by mistake" on the Japanese Toyota website, with HSD 4WD (!!)...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I don't know if anybody was aware of this, but there is a van I found out today &quot;by mistake&quot; on the Japanese Toyota website, with <acronym title="Hybrid Synergy Drive">HSD</acronym> 4WD (!!) drivetrain, called <a href="http://toyota.jp/vellfire/001_p_009/dynamism/hybrid/index.html" target="_blank">Vallfire</a>.<br />
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For what I can understand the specs of the <acronym title="Hybrid Synergy Drive">HSD</acronym> are (same as the Camry Hybrid?):<br />
2AZ-FXE 2.4L engine<br />
190HP hybrid system<br />
150HP/190Nm ICE<br />
143HP/270Nm forward electric motor<br />
68HP/130Nm rear electric motor<br />
Fuel consumption is JC08 cycle 17km/L, 10/15 cycle 19km/L<br />
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From the shape of it, it looks the battery is Li-Ion as on the Alpha/+/v.<br />
Actually I found out the entire line up of &quot;eco cars&quot; here: <a href="http://toyota.jp/ecocar/index.html" target="_blank">Toyota Eco Cars</a> :rolleyes:<!-- google_ad_section_end --></div>

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			<dc:creator>pakitt</dc:creator>
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			<title>Camry vs Prius as a family car</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:05:13 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I cant decide, if you can't tell. 
 
We are downsizing considerably from a 1994 Land Cruiser.  We don't need 4wd here in Seattle and we do have a...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I cant decide, if you can't tell.<br />
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We are downsizing considerably from a 1994 Land Cruiser.  We don't need 4wd here in Seattle and we do have a 2007 FJ Cruiser if needed.<br />
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What are the pros/cons for a family of 4 with two year old twins?<!-- google_ad_section_end --></div>

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			<dc:creator>Chtucker</dc:creator>
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			<title><![CDATA[If the Prius didn't kill the Insight, the Camry will]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:01:43 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Found this tidbit: 
 
 
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Fuel economy is also improved. The 4-cylinder engine is now rated at  8.2L/100km in the city and 5.6L/100km on...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Found this tidbit:<br />
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				Fuel economy is also improved. The 4-cylinder engine is now rated at  8.2L/100km in the city and 5.6L/100km on the highway, while the V6  figures are 9.7 and 6.4 city/highway; those are class-leading numbers  and we're not talking about the Hybrid (which we'll be covering in a  separate article) that boasts fuel consumption ratings as low as 4.5/4.9  L/100km city/highway.
			
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</div><a href="http://www.auto123.com/en/toyota/camry/2012/review?carid=1126100302&amp;artid=136411" target="_blank">http://www.auto123.com/en/toyota/cam...2&amp;artid=136411</a><br />
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For comparison, the 1st Gen Prius got 4.5/4.6 and a HCH-I got 4.9/4.6.  The Insight-II gets 4.8/4.5 on the LX and 5.0/4.6 for the EX. The CR-Z  is rated at 5.6/5.0 with the CVT and 6.5/5.3 with 6MT.         <br />
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Seeing how I was fairly close with the <a href="!63503!http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-iii-2010-prius-main-forum/63503-canadian-pricing-finally-availlable.html#post876905" target="_blank">2010's Prius pricing</a>, I'll take a stab at the 2012 Camry.<br />
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The base 2012 LE comes in at $23,700 (2011: $25,310) and the XLE V6 at $33,700 (2011: $36,410 w/o nav. $38,340 w/ nav)and the current 2011 Camry Hybrid starts at $31,310.<br />
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So I'll guess that the Camry Hybrid LE will start at $28,200 and the Camry Hybrid XLE at $29,990. :D. Let's see if I can work my magic again.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></div>

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			<dc:creator>Tideland Prius</dc:creator>
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			<title>Difference between Camry and Prius on Hybrid System</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 07:27:58 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[What's the main difference between those two system? I heard that Camry has a true neutral gear, but Prius does not. 
 
If I get 50 mpg on Prius, how...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div><!-- google_ad_section_start -->What's the main difference between those two system? I heard that Camry has a true neutral gear, but Prius does not.<br />
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If I get 50 mpg on Prius, how much I can get on Camry? Is the hybrid battery same reliable as Prius'?<br />
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Looks to me, used Camry price is very close to none hybrid version now, maybe only $1000 difference. Used Prius still carries a high premium.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></div>

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			<dc:creator>AllenZ</dc:creator>
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			<title>Formal apology to 2012 Camry styling</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:48:40 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I have been saying negative things about the 2012 Camry restyling job here, mostly that it looks like a Corolla. I saw two on a car carrier on route...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div><!-- google_ad_section_start -->I have been saying negative things about the 2012 Camry restyling job here, mostly that it looks like a Corolla. I saw two on a car carrier on route 95 in MD south of Baltimore, and I have to say, the styling is quite nice. Much cleaner and more modern than I thought. So it is back in the running (looking for a 2012 Prius v, Camry Hybrid, or Prius with Plus, but comfort is the highest priority.)<br />
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So now I will just bad-mouth Toyota's marketing division for not knowing how to photograph one of their own cars... :D<!-- google_ad_section_end --></div>

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