Raving Atheists Forum

Guns?

deadsoul — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:52:23 GMT

Ok, I've been here for about 2 seconds now, but I get the impression that this is mostly a UK board?
If so, probably wrong place to ask, but:
I'm a member of a few gun forums, and they are about 95% christian conservatives. And I mean like full on "send prayers", and people post "prayer sent!" crazy christian.
There is nothing inherently crazy about self defense, right?
Its just an accident of history that 2nd amendment became a right-wing cause, right? Right!?!!

Via Pharyngula: Conundrum solved by scripture?

Whisper — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:05:25 GMT

Copied over from Pharyngula:

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I'd never realized what a useful tool the Bible is in infallibly resolving difficult moral problems until I read this detailed dissection of a difficult situation on Answers in Genesis.

Here's the hypothetical situation: you know the whereabouts of a family of Jews hiding from the Nazis. A Nazi patrol comes up to you and asks where they are; you, a good God-fearing Christian, can either lie and say you don't know (which would be bad, because, like, lying is a sin), or you could tell the truth, and the Nazis would zip off and search for and presumably execute the family. What do you do?

As a non-Bible believing amoral godless atheist, my first thought was that this is trivial: you lie your pants off. The 'crime' of telling a lie pales into insignificance against the crime of enabling the death of fellow human beings.

According to Bodie Hodge of AiG, though, I'm wrong. The good Christian should reject lies, Satan's tools, in all circumstances, and should immediately 'fess up the location of the Jews. He backs it up with Bible quotes, too.

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If we love God, we should obey Him (John 14:15). To love God first means to obey Him first--before looking at our neighbor. So, is the greater good trusting God when He says not to lie or trusting in our fallible, sinful minds about the uncertain future?

Consider this carefully. In the situation of a Nazi beating on the door, we have assumed a lie would save a life, but really we don't know. So, one would be opting to lie and disobey God without the certainty of saving a life--keeping in mind that all are ultimately condemned to die physically. Besides, whether one lied or not may not have stopped the Nazi solders from searching the house anyway.

As Christians, we need to keep in mind that Jesus Christ reigns. All authority has been given to Him (Matthew 28:18), and He sits on the throne of God at the right hand of the Father (Acts 2:33; Hebrews 8:1). Nothing can happen without His say. Even Satan could not touch Peter without Christ's approval (Luke 22:31). Regardless, if one were to lie or not, Jesus Christ is in control of timing every person's life and able to discern our motives. It is not for us to worry over what might become, but rather to place our faith and obedience in Christ and to let Him do the reigning. For we do not know the future, whereas God has been telling the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:10).

Gosh. I never thought of it that way. So�all those Christians who sheltered Jews during WWII are actually burning in hell right now for their sinful wickedness? That is so counterintuitive, it must be true!

As a friend just said to me after reading it:

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YOU JUST GAVE JESUS TO HITLER!

I think that pretty much sums it up. AiG are wankers.

Hello

Stiggy — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:46:32 GMT

New to this forum. Im a recent "convert" to athiesm...

I was a Christian (presbyterian then baptist), but recently kind of stepped back and wondered what the hell i was doing. My old pastor was talking about how Harry Potter was the devils tool to corrupt young minds.... Kind of ironic as i sat there with a leather book in my hand, watching others put money in a basket for a pastor who drives a C class, reading about an ideology and claiming it was true based on no fact.

When you really step back, and see what your doing, its absolutely ridiculous....

Would i like to go to heaven? Hell yea, much like i would like to go to Candy Land one day....

Also, the Tooth fairy is real.... Anyone who believes otherwise is ignorant...

:P

Thought for the Day - censorship may end

Broga — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:02:05 GMT

The National Secular Society, whose first complaint against Thought for the Day was in 1962, has managed despite every block, deflection and denial to get the BBC Trust to consider twelve pages of detailed argument against the programme. The BBC Trust is the Governing Body of the BBC and independent of the BBC Management. To reach the Trust is an achievement for perseverance, research and intelligent advocacy. Few appeals get past the BBC Management and the protection, shameless and a stain on a Corporation that should support free speech, is particularly ruthless when the cosy haven of bigotry that is Thought for the Day is under threat.

The Trust may be especially sensitive when it delivers its decision in a couple of days. The BBC pays its senior Managers vast salaries, huge expenses and these have now been published after a Freedom of Information action. The Director, "earning �800,000 a year" is seen to claim for a 70pence parking ticket.

Let us hope the world is watching the decision. The licence payers, forced on pain of prosecution to pay for these people, are at least entitled to be free of censorship from this daily programme. The programme itself being open to the bigotry and venom that often spills from the mouth of regular contributors to Thought for the Day such as vicar's wife, Anne Atkins.

9/11 and stuff

nastassja — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:49:48 GMT

I like to see the world crashing around me.

It's an interesting watch.

Holy Guacamole! For catholics please.

Barney — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:31:58 GMT

I know we have discussed this before, but there hasnt yet been a satisfactory answer.

When the Man in the hat says the magic words, how come the zombie in the biscuit gets eaten, but he dosnt get shat or pissed out?

I understand his whole substance is in and alongside the biscuit, but i cant understand how he jumps out before he gets absorbed. is he only in there for a split second or something?

Bible Study

thomastwo — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:07:20 GMT

Monday 10/11/09 Nothing but a mist

James 4:13-15, Proverbs 27:1

Pooooof! Did you see it? What? You missed it? Scripture says this about our lives: "We are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes." Man, that sure puts things into perspective. In fact, it's downright humbling! But true. Life is fleeting and full of surprises. Take a moment and roll back the timetable. Think about where you were last year. Two years ago. Five years ago. Any surprises? Has your career taken a few unexpected twists and turns? A few wake-up calls from your family? Has the economy rocked your world? In these brief verses in James 4, the author makes two things imminently clear. First, our lives are far shorter than we'd like to admit ... like a vapor rising from the teapot and vanishing into thin air. And second, self-reliance is over-rated. Our financial future cannot be predicted nor guaranteed. When trying to forecast your own success, how much better to say these words: "If the Master wills it and we're still alive, we'll do this or that." (The Message).

For today: Admit to God that your future is entirely in His capable Hands, and that you submit yourself to His perfect will.

It's Just A Fucking Mini Dress

Whisper — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:02:52 GMT

Oh look, a mini dress

And this report to go with the video.

I don't give a shit if she WAS being provocative (and you know what? Wearing a mini dress is not actually provocative - at least, not in my bloody books) she did NOT deserve what those students, teachers and security staff did to her. She CERTAINLY didn't deserve to be expelled.

This poor woman was humiliated and repeatedly threatened with rape, for fucks sake, and instead of finding the students responsible for starting the riot, they punished HER.

Wonderful.

Boycott Brazil (if you weren't already).

Political Compass

Victus — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:46:16 GMT

I find these things interesting, and this one seems to be having another round on the interweb forums. Anyone else interested in doing the test and posting their coordinates? I'll make up a pretty figure and we can all boast about our respective political correctitude/how wrong the test was.

Fort Hood

Smellyoldgit — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:04:40 GMT

Just watching the reports on the BBC.
What the Fuck's going on?

Dennett: 'The Evolution of Confusion'

ubs — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 03:52:21 GMT

Dennet is coming out with a book on the on the evolution of culture and specifically religion and how believing the myth of the evil mystic/priest/politician is making the same mistake as the ID crowd - identifying a design and then looking for the designer.

This video is a teaser, covering just one subjects of the book - interviews with closeted non believing clergy and how they got into the situation that they did.

Looks good.

Animation that explains religion in 40 seconds

dbmcnamara — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:58:20 GMT

This video has been sent around a few atheist boards and was on American Atheists Inc. facebook page. It was also on G4's Attack Of The Show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRjWZl2dRSE

Hey

S53 — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:49:30 GMT

Hi everyone, I'm looking around for more interesting forums to join and I think I found one!
I'm a previous member of the Christian Forums (fascists) and a current member at the Christian Fellowship Forums, Galactic Senate and INFP forum.

I'm a student studying Criminal Justice in WA and I hate people. :)

Greetings godless heathens

Joe — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:36:01 GMT

Well I'm not very good at these kinds of things but I know this is obligatory...

Name's Joe, obviously. Just looking for a place to kill time with my fellow baby eaters. I might stick around, you guys seem like an....interesting group.

So, what are you doing for Halloween?

assilem — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:26:35 GMT

It's only a couple of days away. Thought I'd put up a discussion thread since nothing pisses off the religious right more than celebrating a pagan holiday by dressing like ghosts and goblins and giving away candy!
My costume for this year will be Chrinia, the Greek Goddess of Reincarnation. She's an original character I made up. Chrinia is a Greek goddess, but she's kept up with the times and now dresses in a very goth look. Her signature accessory is a top hat decorated with a skull and calla lilies. I'll spend the day at my brother-in-law's house with his girlfriend and my husband watching horror movies. I'll spend the next day not going to church and the next buying half priced candy.
I'll post a photo after Halloween. What's everyone else doing?