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		<title>Comment on About by Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 16:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Chris,

I've randomly stumbled across your question on apple.stackexchange.com and it kind of relates to what we're doing as a team. I'm collaborating with some developers on developing an Animal Management Software it's currently being used by a Vet and an Animal Shelter. The Vet uses it to manage vaccines and medical reports of animals. It's using MS Access as a Database solution but we're researching on finding something new and advanced. I'll be honest I just joined the team and I'm the UI Engineer of it. I see you're a design manager somewhere maybe I can show you my application mockups and wireframes.

I'd like to talk to you about our app and maybe you can give some feedback. I'm not looking for consultation or anything I'm looking to grow our developer circle maybe we can learn from each other.

I'm looking forward to your response.

Best,
Dylan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Chris,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve randomly stumbled across your question on apple.stackexchange.com and it kind of relates to what we&#8217;re doing as a team. I&#8217;m collaborating with some developers on developing an Animal Management Software it&#8217;s currently being used by a Vet and an Animal Shelter. The Vet uses it to manage vaccines and medical reports of animals. It&#8217;s using MS Access as a Database solution but we&#8217;re researching on finding something new and advanced. I&#8217;ll be honest I just joined the team and I&#8217;m the UI Engineer of it. I see you&#8217;re a design manager somewhere maybe I can show you my application mockups and wireframes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to talk to you about our app and maybe you can give some feedback. I&#8217;m not looking for consultation or anything I&#8217;m looking to grow our developer circle maybe we can learn from each other.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to your response.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Dylan</p>
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		<title>Comment on Weekly Tweets (2011-11-06) by Pressemeldungen erstellen Checkliste</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 06:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Considering the Phenomenological Approach » MITI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 21:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] matters to me because, as I have written about elsewhere, I am skeptical about the value of most quantitative educational research and my own belief in the [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Myth of the Myth of “Individual” Genius by Madara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 20:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This. A thousand times, this: "But more importantly, it is this kind of thinking that has resulted in the behemoth Western educational institutions that systematically do a disservice to students by invoking this leveling to avoid honest appraisal, assessment, and development of truly student-centered educational opportunities."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This. A thousand times, this: &#8220;But more importantly, it is this kind of thinking that has resulted in the behemoth Western educational institutions that systematically do a disservice to students by invoking this leveling to avoid honest appraisal, assessment, and development of truly student-centered educational opportunities.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Badge Brouhaha by Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 09:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris 
hoorah, you wrote the post I kept meaning to. I was a bit puzzled by the reaction to. I fully get it's kind of fun to mock and say things like 'have you got a badge for that?', I've done that myself already. But to paint them as some kind of evil is a bit odd. I think it's seen as part of the commodification of education, but I view it as _potentially_ a very liberating process. The curriculum is currently owned by the higher academic institutions. Badges offer a potential way of democratising that curriculum. Now you could say, we can do that anyway, we don't need badges, but people like to have a recognised end point - it structures and motivates.
Now badges could become an entirely commercial enterprise, and I agree with David Wiley that they seem to be coming from the tech angle rather than the educator one at the moment, but I think we should at least give them time, and not dismiss straight away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris<br />
hoorah, you wrote the post I kept meaning to. I was a bit puzzled by the reaction to. I fully get it&#8217;s kind of fun to mock and say things like &#8216;have you got a badge for that?&#8217;, I&#8217;ve done that myself already. But to paint them as some kind of evil is a bit odd. I think it&#8217;s seen as part of the commodification of education, but I view it as _potentially_ a very liberating process. The curriculum is currently owned by the higher academic institutions. Badges offer a potential way of democratising that curriculum. Now you could say, we can do that anyway, we don&#8217;t need badges, but people like to have a recognised end point &#8211; it structures and motivates.<br />
Now badges could become an entirely commercial enterprise, and I agree with David Wiley that they seem to be coming from the tech angle rather than the educator one at the moment, but I think we should at least give them time, and not dismiss straight away.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Badge Brouhaha by Michael Feldstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Feldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 20:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but in the process, I managed to make a reference to semiotics and made myself lightheaded. Sometimes, ya just can't help it.

And it was nice meeting you too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but in the process, I managed to make a reference to semiotics and made myself lightheaded. Sometimes, ya just can&#8217;t help it.</p>
<p>And it was nice meeting you too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Badge Brouhaha by chris</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Michael. You said in a half-dozen sentences what I went on and on for pages about.

The reflexive push against badges strikes me as very similar to discussions about "blogs." I remember when they were dismissed nearly as quickly as the idea of badges. 

But more than that, "blogs" are really just "personal publishing tools" and I find it hard understand how someone could be against personal publishing rather than what is being published. And, of course, when it comes to reading blogs, saying "I don't like them" is tantamount to saying "I don't like reading" or "I don't like words."

PS It was great to finally meet you at Open Ed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Michael. You said in a half-dozen sentences what I went on and on for pages about.</p>
<p>The reflexive push against badges strikes me as very similar to discussions about &#8220;blogs.&#8221; I remember when they were dismissed nearly as quickly as the idea of badges. </p>
<p>But more than that, &#8220;blogs&#8221; are really just &#8220;personal publishing tools&#8221; and I find it hard understand how someone could be against personal publishing rather than what is being published. And, of course, when it comes to reading blogs, saying &#8220;I don&#8217;t like them&#8221; is tantamount to saying &#8220;I don&#8217;t like reading&#8221; or &#8220;I don&#8217;t like words.&#8221;</p>
<p>PS It was great to finally meet you at Open Ed!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Badge Brouhaha by Michael Feldstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Feldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The funny thing about all this hand-wringing is that badges are, in and of themselves, pretty much empty. They are containers for meaning. They are signifiers. They stand for whatever we want them to stand for. To be opposed in principle to badges is like being opposed in principle to nouns or place names. 

The more interesting questions are what would we like them to signify and how could they be useful as signifiers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing about all this hand-wringing is that badges are, in and of themselves, pretty much empty. They are containers for meaning. They are signifiers. They stand for whatever we want them to stand for. To be opposed in principle to badges is like being opposed in principle to nouns or place names. </p>
<p>The more interesting questions are what would we like them to signify and how could they be useful as signifiers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Badge Brouhaha by chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 02:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was inspired by Phillip Schmidt's brief discussion of how he (and Saylor) are using badges at P2PU, and it seems to be working there... I really think there is some potential there. 

That said, I substantially agree with most of the comments here, though I am not nearly as down on extrinsic rewards as many... though it depends on how they are understood. There are many greatly discounted things in education today that I've seen working too often to dismiss (to extrinsic rewards, done in a healthy way, you can add: memorization and repetitive practice, each of which can have creative results that some see as a paradox because they-- and I -- don't understand *how* it works, just that it does).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was inspired by Phillip Schmidt&#8217;s brief discussion of how he (and Saylor) are using badges at P2PU, and it seems to be working there&#8230; I really think there is some potential there. </p>
<p>That said, I substantially agree with most of the comments here, though I am not nearly as down on extrinsic rewards as many&#8230; though it depends on how they are understood. There are many greatly discounted things in education today that I&#8217;ve seen working too often to dismiss (to extrinsic rewards, done in a healthy way, you can add: memorization and repetitive practice, each of which can have creative results that some see as a paradox because they&#8211; and I &#8212; don&#8217;t understand *how* it works, just that it does).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Badge Brouhaha by Nick Doiron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Doiron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What no one seems to be saying is that the online badge system is getting a trial by fire in the DML competition. It hasn't been tried at this scale yet.

As a course organizer in the Mozilla/P2PU School of Webcraft, I helped offer badges which were viewed by &gt;1000 people, but were applied to by only a few of my students http://badges.p2pu.org/  You'll also find the JavaScript Expert Badge mentioned in posts such as this - http://openmatt.wordpress.com/2011/03/17/badges-in-the-real-world/ - and see that not one person has applied for it. I have websites that prove I know JavaScript, and I show them to employers, but what's the incentive to get a checkmark from Mozilla?

We need to focus on the niche cases where badges fit people's real needs and expectations. For an after-school project, why a badge and not a Facebook group? If I took a summer course on anthropology and decided it wasn't relevant for my resume, how would the badge be any more relevant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What no one seems to be saying is that the online badge system is getting a trial by fire in the DML competition. It hasn&#8217;t been tried at this scale yet.</p>
<p>As a course organizer in the Mozilla/P2PU School of Webcraft, I helped offer badges which were viewed by &gt;1000 people, but were applied to by only a few of my students <a href="http://badges.p2pu.org/" rel="nofollow">http://badges.p2pu.org/</a>  You&#8217;ll also find the JavaScript Expert Badge mentioned in posts such as this &#8211; <a href="http://openmatt.wordpress.com/2011/03/17/badges-in-the-real-world/" rel="nofollow">http://openmatt.wordpress.com/2011/03/17/badges-in-the-real-world/</a> &#8211; and see that not one person has applied for it. I have websites that prove I know JavaScript, and I show them to employers, but what&#8217;s the incentive to get a checkmark from Mozilla?</p>
<p>We need to focus on the niche cases where badges fit people&#8217;s real needs and expectations. For an after-school project, why a badge and not a Facebook group? If I took a summer course on anthropology and decided it wasn&#8217;t relevant for my resume, how would the badge be any more relevant?</p>
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