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<description>A blog for sharing appreciation of the width and depth of microbes and microbial activities on this planet. </description>
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<title>It Was The Worst of Times, It Was the Best of Times</title>
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<description>Looking at these photomicrographs, one could scarcely imagine that the fossil chains of Reduviasporonites were anything BUT conidiophores and conidia.  That could just be my personal bias talking.  When Im at the microscope, theres typically a fungus under it.</description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="http://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a65a30c1970b" href="http://profile.typepad.com/6p0120a65a30c1970b">cavemanog.livejournal.com</a>: <p>Looking at these photomicrographs, one could scarcely imagine that the fossil chains of Reduviasporonites were anything BUT conidiophores and conidia.  That could just be my personal bias talking.  When I&#39;m at the microscope, there&#39;s typically a fungus under it.</p><div class="feedflare">
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<dc:date>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:50:57 -0800</dc:date>
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<description>Great history!

Now we have, the Trilobites Age, the Ammonites Age, the Dinosaurs Age and the Fungi Age.

Regards</description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="http://curiosidadesdelamicrobiologia.blogspot.com/" href="http://curiosidadesdelamicrobiologia.blogspot.com/">Manuel Sanchez</a>: <p>Great history!</p>

<p>Now we have, the Trilobites Age, the Ammonites Age, the Dinosaurs Age and the Fungi Age.</p>

<p>Regards</p><div class="feedflare">
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<dc:date>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:21:15 -0800</dc:date>
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<description>Its a great gift to the world to encourage the next generation to be more aware of the microbes all around (and within) them!  </description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="http://tinytopics.blogspot.com/" href="http://tinytopics.blogspot.com/">Amber Pollack-Berti</a>: <p>It&#39;s a great gift to the world to encourage the next generation to be more aware of the microbes all around (and within) them!  </p><div class="feedflare">
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<dc:date>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:46:41 -0800</dc:date>
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<title>The Far Side of Microbiology</title>
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<description>what is the meaning of this cartoon?

Elio replies:

Microbiologists=small biologists</description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[Prakash Manandhar: <p>what is the meaning of this cartoon?</p>

<p>Elio replies:</p>

<p>Microbiologists=small biologists</p><div class="feedflare">
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<dc:date>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:17:29 -0800</dc:date>
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<description>Elio,
My ninth grade and twelfth grade students frequently use your blog for class assignments. Your readership might be younger than you thought1
Amanda 
Teacher in Georgia</description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[Amanda B. : <p>Elio,<br />
My ninth grade and twelfth grade students frequently use your blog for class assignments. Your readership might be younger than you thought1<br />
Amanda <br />
Teacher in Georgia</p><div class="feedflare">
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<dc:date>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:11:08 -0800</dc:date>
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<description>Welcome to the microbiologists from Jefferson Middle School.  I got hooked when I was in middle school and have been a microbiologist ever since.  Exploring the unseen world of microbiology will offer you many lessons in how nature and microbes managed their energy needs, acquire their resources and dispose of their waste.  See if you can explain why some microbes dispose of their waste as molecular hydrogen.  Their waste may just turn into a future energy source for us macrobes.  Have fun with your exploration!</description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[Michael Schmidt: <p>Welcome to the microbiologists from Jefferson Middle School.  I got hooked when I was in middle school and have been a microbiologist ever since.  Exploring the unseen world of microbiology will offer you many lessons in how nature and microbes managed their energy needs, acquire their resources and dispose of their waste.  See if you can explain why some microbes dispose of their waste as molecular hydrogen.  Their waste may just turn into a future energy source for us &quot;macrobes&quot;.  Have fun with your exploration!</p><div class="feedflare">
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<dc:date>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:06:34 -0800</dc:date>
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<description>I havent been posting lately, but its not for lack of interest. I wanted to express my thanks to the authors of these wonderfully illuminating guest posts.  (It might get tedious to thank you too frequently for your own posts, and that is the only reason I dont, but please indulge me this time.)</description>
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<dc:date>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:36:42 -0800</dc:date>
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<title>There's Gold in That Thar Periplasm</title>
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<description>So these bacteria label themselves with gold nanoparticles!</description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[qetzal: <p>So these bacteria label themselves with gold nanoparticles!</p><div class="feedflare">
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<dc:date>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:41:53 -0700</dc:date>
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<description>Thanks for sharing some new information here. I like this site and it is very informative and hence people who will come across this site will gain lot of information about it. I am very to being glad to be part of this site! I will visit this site in future too.</description>
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<dc:date>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:44:09 -0700</dc:date>
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<description>For some reason, when I read the Pasteur excerpt, I was immediately reminded of passages in Jack Londons Call of the Wild, which I had re-read recently, and I remembered how it affected me when I was about 12 years old. The whole book can be accessed at: http://london.sonoma.edu?Writings/CallOfTheWild/ Chapter 1 contains an example of the text that was reminiscent.</description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[Allen Laskin: <p>For some reason, when I read the Pasteur excerpt, I was immediately reminded of passages in Jack London&#39;s &quot;Call of the Wild&quot;, which I had re-read recently, and I remembered how it affected me when I was about 12 years old. The whole book can be accessed at: <a href="http://london.sonoma.edu?Writings/CallOfTheWild/" rel="nofollow">http://london.sonoma.edu?Writings/CallOfTheWild/</a> Chapter 1 contains an example of the text that was reminiscent.</p><div class="feedflare">
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<dc:date>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:26:27 -0700</dc:date>
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<title>Small Friends of Fungi </title>
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<description>Interesting stuff. Is this as true in grasslands as it is in the forest? It seems like tons of ruminants manage to make the economics of grass cellulose work for them. There are also folivores in the proper sense, which eat trees, but they seem to be fewer in biomass and diversity if my nonscientific impressions are right. Are they more predation-limited for some reason than grazers? Do grasses bleed more energy to the Green Feeders than trees do? Are any herbivores limited malthusianly (by parasites and intraspecific competition  violence)? Or is there always an apex predator that can trim them down? (Lions of course used to exist in the New World, until quite recently.) 

One theory, which I just made up after reading wikipedia[folivores], is based on the observation that flying animals are rarely folivores because the amount of cellulose digesta theyd need to hold is so heavy. It says that folivorous bats chew leaves and soon eject the recalcitrant material such as cellulose, which tallies with this. My suggestion is that the same thing may apply more weakly to climbers, so there are less folivores than grazers. Cows are much freer than monkeys to carry around many kg of digesta, as well as the more massive digestive tract needed to deal with that stuff.

This post of John Dennehys might be relevant:
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[Eric Johnson: <p>Interesting stuff. Is this as true in grasslands as it is in the forest? It seems like tons of ruminants manage to make the economics of grass cellulose work for them. There are also folivores in the proper sense, which eat trees, but they seem to be fewer in biomass and diversity if my nonscientific impressions are right. Are they more predation-limited for some reason than grazers? Do grasses bleed more energy to the Green Feeders than trees do? Are any herbivores limited malthusianly (by parasites and intraspecific competition &amp; violence)? Or is there always an apex predator that can trim them down? (Lions of course used to exist in the New World, until quite recently.) </p>

<p>One theory, which I just made up after reading wikipedia[folivores], is based on the observation that flying animals are rarely folivores because the amount of cellulose digesta they&#39;d need to hold is so heavy. It says that folivorous bats chew leaves and soon eject the recalcitrant material such as cellulose, which tallies with this. My suggestion is that the same thing may apply more weakly to climbers, so there are less folivores than grazers. Cows are much freer than monkeys to carry around many kg of digesta, as well as the more massive digestive tract needed to deal with that stuff.</p>

<p>This post of John Dennehy&#39;s might be relevant:<br />
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<description>Hello
You have given really nice information about cell organization.I am always interested in this topic.Thank you very much for giving such a good information.You have done a great job.Keep doing good work.</description>
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You have given really nice information about cell organization.I am always interested in this topic.Thank you very much for giving such a good information.You have done a great job.Keep doing good work.</p><div class="feedflare">
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<description>I really enjoyed that.  Granted, I dont pretend that I understood more than half of all the mushroom speak, but still it was a good listen.  Very educational.</description>
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[1] - Is there anything known that can respire on fluorine?...

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I have no idea but it would be strange, no? Anybody?</description>
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<p>[1] - Is there anything known that can respire on fluorine?...</p>

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<p>I have no idea but it would be strange, no? Anybody?</p><div class="feedflare">
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<description>I wouldnt underestimate the effect of the metabolic Irrational Exuberance that we and our fellow freakish oxygen-respiring critters can have.  It seems reasonable to me that we might be out-biomassed by anaerobes, but our (meaning all oxygen-respiring single- and multi-celled organisms) ability to harness the electron-sucking power of oxygen - the second-most electron-suckingest element that exists[1] - enables us to oxidize carbon at a comparatively awesome rate and efficiency.

I wonder - how much exchange of oxygen atoms goes on between the anaerobic and aerobic biospheres?  Is there enough separation that there might be differences in oxygen isotope ratios, which could in turn be compared to the oxygen isotopes in atmospheric carbon dioxide to estimate how much comes from aerobic vs. anaerobic activity?

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You make a challenging and perhaps elegant point. Not being an expert, I hope that others  who know more of such maters would comment. </description>
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<p>I wonder - how much exchange of oxygen atoms goes on between the anaerobic and aerobic biospheres?  Is there enough separation that there might be differences in oxygen isotope ratios, which could in turn be compared to the oxygen isotopes in atmospheric carbon dioxide to estimate how much comes from aerobic vs. anaerobic activity?</p>

<p>Elio replies:</p>

<p>You make a challenging and perhaps elegant point. Not being an expert, I hope that others  who know more of such maters would comment. </p><div class="feedflare">
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<description>Love these columns.. is there any way that a print function could be added in order to print these out without the side columns?</description>
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<description>Could luminescent fungi be used as an alternative light source in homes if one were to grow them in abundance? Sort of like an organic solar powered light?

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The fungi emit rather small  amounts of light . I see your living room lined with pieces of rotting wood, which you would have to moisten form time to time. Youre sure you want to do this?</description>
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The fungi emit rather small  amounts of light . I see your living room lined with pieces of rotting wood, which you would have to moisten form time to time. You&#39;re sure you want to do this?</p><div class="feedflare">
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Wow, Merry!  Such a cool topic!

Long ago, I did a little work with Megan Nunez on atomic force microscopy of biofilms on surfaces.  I knew that there had to be a very thin layer of water above the biofilm, through which the probe was tapping.  And it occurred to me at the time that there could be so much happening in that very, very thin layer of water.

We tend not to think about the microbial perspective---how things look to a microbe.  

Your post is another example!</description>
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Wow, Merry!  Such a cool topic!</p>

<p>Long ago, I did a little work with Megan Nunez on atomic force microscopy of biofilms on surfaces.  I knew that there had to be a very thin layer of water above the biofilm, through which the probe was tapping.  And it occurred to me at the time that there could be so much happening in that very, very thin layer of water.</p>

<p>We tend not to think about the &quot;microbial perspective&quot;---how things &quot;look&quot; to a microbe.  </p>

<p>Your post is another example!</p><div class="feedflare">
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<description>Nice comments from all!  My first attempt to reply was eaten with gusto by my web browser crashing.  So here I go again:

1.  First, this entire discussion reminds me of the following:

“So naturalists observe, a flea
Has smaller fleas that on him prey;
And these have smaller still to bite ‘em;
And so proceed ad infinitum.”
-Jonathan Swift (“Poetry:  A Rhapsody”).

2.  Dr. Worthen, I have known Jorg Graf for a number of years, and his passion for leech-microbial associations (and his puckish sense of humor) always lead me to following this topic.  He gave a superb seminar at the symbiosis symposium, for example.

3.  Apologies for misunderstanding qetzal’s comment.   I believe that a “Russian Nesting Dolls” paradigm for thinking about  microbial interactions (in some cases, “intra-action”?) is useful and accurate.  Merry’s topic is particularly instructive (I came to that line of thinking while considering “R-bodies” and the “kappa” phenotype in the protist Paramecium---look at how much more is known nowadays!).
 
We tend to think in reductionist terms, looking at simple systems and associations to gain an intellectual foothold on a problem.  And there has been much benefit from that approach.  

But looking, for example, at gut microbiota creates a different kettle of metaphorical fish, with over a thousand phylotypes to consider.  There are many classes of “microbial associate” in that case, clearly, including:  residents that use the location as a surface and little more, co-ops that contribute to upkeep or defense, transients that are just passing through (!), and “squatters” that “set up shop” in a disturbed or damaged location, to name a few. 

Some of the associations may turn out to be trivial to understand, and others rivaling systems biology style complexity.  
  
This makes me think, in turn, of “group activities” among microbes where “cheating” arises (say, among myxobacters, as studied by Greg Velicer and others).  Surely such “cheating” will occur among the many denizens of a complex microbiota…ranging from (again) trivial examples to the very subtle.
   
I am then reminded of this great quote:
“All organisms are nothing but a bag of other organisms walking around.”
-Thomas Miller (UC Riverside).

Some of those organisms cooperate.  Others fight.  Still others are oblivious to one another.   In a way, we are all ecospheres, writ moderately large.  And enormous---whole worlds!--- to the microbes around us!

Thanks for the nice comments.
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<p>1.  First, this entire discussion reminds me of the following:</p>

<p>“So naturalists observe, a flea<br />
Has smaller fleas that on him prey;<br />
And these have smaller still to bite ‘em;<br />
And so proceed ad infinitum.”<br />
-Jonathan Swift (“Poetry:  A Rhapsody”).</p>

<p>2.  Dr. Worthen, I have known Jorg Graf for a number of years, and his passion for leech-microbial associations (and his puckish sense of humor) always lead me to following this topic.  He gave a superb seminar at the symbiosis symposium, for example.</p>

<p>3.  Apologies for misunderstanding qetzal’s comment.   I believe that a “Russian Nesting Dolls” paradigm for thinking about  microbial interactions (in some cases, “intra-action”?) is useful and accurate.  Merry’s topic is particularly instructive (I came to that line of thinking while considering “R-bodies” and the “kappa” phenotype in the protist Paramecium---look at how much more is known nowadays!).<br />
 <br />
We tend to think in reductionist terms, looking at simple systems and associations to gain an intellectual foothold on a problem.  And there has been much benefit from that approach.  </p>

<p>But looking, for example, at gut microbiota creates a different kettle of metaphorical fish, with over a thousand phylotypes to consider.  There are many classes of “microbial associate” in that case, clearly, including:  residents that use the location as a surface and little more, co-ops that contribute to upkeep or defense, transients that are just passing through (!), and “squatters” that “set up shop” in a disturbed or damaged location, to name a few. </p>

<p>Some of the associations may turn out to be trivial to understand, and others rivaling systems biology style complexity.  <br />
  <br />
This makes me think, in turn, of “group activities” among microbes where “cheating” arises (say, among myxobacters, as studied by Greg Velicer and others).  Surely such “cheating” will occur among the many denizens of a complex microbiota…ranging from (again) trivial examples to the very subtle.<br />
   <br />
I am then reminded of this great quote:<br />
“All organisms are nothing but a bag of other organisms walking around.”<br />
-Thomas Miller (UC Riverside).</p>

<p>Some of those organisms cooperate.  Others fight.  Still others are oblivious to one another.   In a way, we are all ecospheres, writ moderately large.  And enormous---whole worlds!--- to the microbes around us!</p>

<p>Thanks for the nice comments.<br />
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<dc:date>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:21:02 -0700</dc:date>
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<description>I suspect that the number of true mutualists involved in many of these systems are quite small.  Ive often wondered if the majority of these microbes arent just hangers-on, forming a sort of prokaryotic entourage that does little to help the host organism, but doesnt do much to hinder it either.  It concerns me that researchers may push mutualism because its sexier than commensalism - ie. it looks more interesting in journal articles and grant applications.

I got a thrill when I saw the link to my paper on leeches (Worthen et al. 2006)  Ive been out of the research world for a few years now, but its always nice to see someones still reading my stuff!</description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[PWorthen: <p>I suspect that the number of &#39;true&#39; mutualists involved in many of these systems are quite small.  I&#39;ve often wondered if the majority of these microbes aren&#39;t just &#39;hangers-on&#39;, forming a sort of prokaryotic entourage that does little to help the host organism, but doesn&#39;t do much to hinder it either.  It concerns me that researchers may push mutualism because it&#39;s sexier than commensalism - ie. it looks more interesting in journal articles and grant applications.</p>

<p>I got a thrill when I saw the link to my paper on leeches (Worthen et al. 2006)  I&#39;ve been out of the research world for a few years now, but it&#39;s always nice to see someone&#39;s still reading my stuff!</p><div class="feedflare">
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<dc:date>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 10:13:17 -0700</dc:date>
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<description>I believe that Quetzals question has another facet. I would interpret it as asking how many levels of parasitism can coexist in one infected host.  Try salmon poisoning in dogs that that get sick from eating salmon that carry a worm that carries a rickettsia. I count four levels.  Add an imaginary phage to the rickettsia and youd have five levels. Merry came up with five already (wasp, aphid, Buchnera, Hamiltonella, and phage) in her story at http://schaechter.asmblog.org/schaechter/2009/09/good-guys-bad-guys.html. but Im not sure all these operate at different levels. </description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[Elio: <p>I believe that Quetzals&#39; question has another facet. I would interpret it as asking how many levels of parasitism can coexist in one infected host.  Try salmon poisoning in dogs that that get sick from eating salmon that carry a worm that carries a rickettsia. I count four levels.  Add an imaginary phage to the rickettsia and you&#39;d have five levels. Merry came up with five already (wasp, aphid, Buchnera, Hamiltonella, and phage) in her story at <a href="http://schaechter.asmblog.org/schaechter/2009/09/good-guys-bad-guys.html." rel="nofollow">http://schaechter.asmblog.org/schaechter/2009/09/good-guys-bad-guys.html.</a> but I&#39;m not sure all these operate at different levels. </p><div class="feedflare">
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<dc:date>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:09:36 -0700</dc:date>
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That is a great question, qetzal.  There are well over a thousand phylotypes of microbes in the human gut, but how many are truly mutualists remains uncertain.  

Or think about the termite hindgut!

I think that this whole concept that eukaryotes are superorganisms composed of a collection of vast numbers of different species may have quite a bit of validity.  I feel a new T-shirt and button image coming on!</description>
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That is a great question, qetzal.  There are well over a thousand phylotypes of microbes in the human gut, but how many are truly mutualists remains uncertain.  </p>

<p>Or think about the termite hindgut!</p>

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<description>I wonder what is the record for most number of essential partners in a single mutualistic relationship?</description>
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I tried to leave a note here to ask if we should start the field of biofilmomics, but it didnt seem to take.  Unless the Microbial Good Taste Police deleted it!  Too many omics spoils the field, perhaps?</description>
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I tried to leave a note here to ask if we should start the field of &quot;biofilmomics,&quot; but it didn&#39;t seem to take.  Unless the Microbial Good Taste Police deleted it!  Too many &quot;omics&quot; spoils the field, perhaps?</p><div class="feedflare">
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<description>Dear Elio, Merry and all readers,

I appreciate that you are enjoying my image of an Antarctic diatom chain but like all my images (and most other texts and photos found on the web unless they are specifically noted as being in the public domain), my image is protected by copyright and this use can be considered copyright infringement because it was used without my knowledge or permission, and no license fee was paid for its use. Like other artists and photographers, licensing and selling my images is my income. Please either delete this image from your site and alert  readers not to use it if they lifted it before removal, or contact me to arrange a fee.

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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="http://www.micrographicArts.com" href="http://www.micrographicArts.com">Dee Breger</a>: <p>Dear Elio, Merry and all readers,</p>

<p>I appreciate that you are enjoying my image of an Antarctic diatom chain but like all my images (and most other texts and photos found on the web unless they are specifically noted as being in the public domain), my image is protected by copyright and this use can be considered copyright infringement because it was used without my knowledge or permission, and no license fee was paid for its use. Like other artists and photographers, licensing and selling my images is my income. Please either delete this image from your site and alert  readers not to use it if they lifted it before removal, or contact me to arrange a fee.</p>

<p>Thanks,<br />
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<description>On the matter of biofilmic or biofilmatic, I would have to disagree to their usage as an all-encompassing antonym to planktonic, given that surface-attached cells might not necessarily form biofilms (although they certainly have the potential to form as such).  Also, planktonic seems to refer to the individual cell and its behaviors, while biofilmic, etc. more implies a consortium of organisms - thus weakening the antonymic relationship between planktonic and the proposed terms. </description>
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<description>Does benthic work?

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Benthic refers to the bottom surface of the oceans, not to the water column.</description>
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<p>Elio replies:</p>

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<description>Let me propose potatonic, as a synonym for sessile, but implying that the stationary position results from not making the effort to move, rather than from actual adhesion.</description>
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<description>How about nekton, the term for those organisms that can actively swim in the pelagic zone. (There is also neuston -- organisms restricted to the surface film.)

Elio repleis:
Hold on. Were going to post something about nueston next.</description>
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<p>Elio repleis:<br />
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<description>i may dislike science but I am just amazed with the fact seeing genes like this which is in the process of reproducing</description>
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<description>This is my favorite sort of article, and this one details an especially important part of history, especially well.  Bravo.</description>
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<title>The Three Stages of My Experience in Discovering the Mode of Action of Penicillin</title>
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<description>Today, Penicillin: Blocks formation of cell walls is usually just one of many bullet points on a lecture about antimicrobial agents.  Its fascinating to read a first hand account of of the thinking and experiments that were done to realize that fact.  We need more writing in the sweet spot between pop. sci. and academic papers that conveys the feel of scientific investigation and helps us to remember theres a vast body of work behind every highlighted fact in a textbook.  It passes on the culture of curiosity and keeps us humble and grateful.</description>
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What a treat to read this first person view of a subject central to microbiology!  Many, many thanks to the author for such a fun essay.  </description>
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What a treat to read this &quot;first person&quot; view of a subject central to microbiology!  Many, many thanks to the author for such a fun essay.  </p><div class="feedflare">
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<dc:date>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:42:51 -0700</dc:date>
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<title>Talmudic Question #53A</title>
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<description>As a molecular biologist, I mostly miss the benefits of using 32P-end-labeling for detecting trace amounts of DNA in gels. Especially for things like gel shifts, theres nothing easier than 32P.

Well, nothing easier if you only consider the experiment itself. Once you factor in the regulatory, handling,  disposal requirements, things change.

In my limited experience, quantum dots are cool, but there are things you can do with 32P or other radionuclides that you cant possibly do with quantum dots.

As for lab safety, I think most molecular labs used small enough amounts that safety was not such a huge issue. Obviously, proper procedures are needed, but theyre not really THAT hard to maintain. Safety for the folks who have to dispose of aggregated wastes from multiple labs may well be a bigger issue, though.</description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[qetzal: <p>As a molecular biologist, I mostly miss the benefits of using 32P-end-labeling for detecting trace amounts of DNA in gels. Especially for things like gel shifts, there&#39;s nothing easier than 32P.</p>

<p>Well, nothing easier if you only consider the experiment itself. Once you factor in the regulatory, handling, &amp; disposal requirements, things change.</p>

<p>In my limited experience, quantum dots are cool, but there are things you can do with 32P or other radionuclides that you can&#39;t possibly do with quantum dots.</p>

<p>As for lab safety, I think most molecular labs used small enough amounts that safety was not such a huge issue. Obviously, proper procedures are needed, but they&#39;re not really THAT hard to maintain. Safety for the folks who have to dispose of aggregated wastes from multiple labs may well be a bigger issue, though.</p><div class="feedflare">
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<dc:date>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:06:23 -0700</dc:date>
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<description>
Also, didnt Joshua Lederberg once suggest that we could look for shadow life (i.e., life that did not use nucleic acids) by enrichment in the presence of high levels of 32P?

Hmmm....</description>
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Also, didn&#39;t Joshua Lederberg once suggest that we could look for &quot;shadow life&quot; (i.e., life that did not use nucleic acids) by enrichment in the presence of high levels of 32P?</p>

<p>Hmmm....</p><div class="feedflare">
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<title>Sexually Avoided Disease </title>
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<description>n_n
thank you!!
by the way, I do like your article very much. It is very interesting!
Tatiana E. Jeffrey</description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[Tatiana E. Jeffrey: <p>n_n<br />
thank you!!<br />
by the way, I do like your article very much. It is very interesting!<br />
Tatiana E. Jeffrey</p><div class="feedflare">
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<description>That red tide really is beautiful.  Im not well versed in this sort of thing, but if I read that part correctly, any and all red tides should be avoided as toxic?  Or do I have that wrong?</description>
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<description>I want to know the answer to this question, too. I just started a job in a hospital research lab and had to go through radiation safety training, though I was informed I wouldnt be using radiation.

I know that one of my colleagues uses an irradiator to stop memory B cells from growing, but other than those kinds of cases, where is the need for radiation in todays microbiology/ID lab?</description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[David: <p>I want to know the answer to this question, too. I just started a job in a hospital research lab and had to go through radiation safety training, though I was informed I wouldn&#39;t be using radiation.</p>

<p>I know that one of my colleagues uses an irradiator to stop memory B cells from growing, but other than those kinds of cases, where is the need for radiation in today&#39;s microbiology/ID lab?</p><div class="feedflare">
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<title>Good Guys, Bad Guys</title>
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<description>A beautiful article on a beautiful system. Perhaps another example of how all the world is a phage!</description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="http://www.phagehunter.org" href="http://www.phagehunter.org">Tim Sampson</a>: <p>A beautiful article on a beautiful system. Perhaps another example of how all the world is a phage!</p><div class="feedflare">
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<description>Its certainly true that people of my era in biology became pretty paranoid (or cavalier) about radioactivity.  Its good, I think, that hot isotopes are not used in the undergraduate classroom much these days.

Nanodots---also called quantum dots---may be used in the future in the way hot isotopes were used in the Good Old Days:

Frasco, MF and N Chaniotakis.  (2009).  Bioconjugated quantum dots as fluorescent probes for bioanalytical applications.  Anal. Bioanal. Chem. ---- this just came out on August 28th and is available electronically; PUBMED does not give a good record yet.</description>
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<p>Nanodots---also called quantum dots---may be used in the future in the way hot isotopes were used in the Good Old Days:</p>

<p>Frasco, MF and N Chaniotakis.  (2009).  &quot;Bioconjugated quantum dots as fluorescent probes for bioanalytical applications.&quot;  Anal. Bioanal. Chem. ---- this just came out on August 28th and is available electronically; PUBMED does not give a good record yet.</p><div class="feedflare">
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<description>let me tell you that even if you do not accept this comment the information you have in your post is wonderful, very complete, very useful, interesting. Is just wonderful, this is a wonderful article!
Thank you for sharing!!!
Tatiana E. Jeffrey

Elio responds:
True, we normally dont post comments from commercial sources only distantly related to our blog. However, your candor in assuming that we wont accept it is refreshing, so here it is.</description>
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Thank you for sharing!!!<br />
Tatiana E. Jeffrey</p>

<p>Elio responds:<br />
True, we normally don&#39;t post comments from commercial sources only distantly related to our blog. However, your candor in assuming that we won&#39;t accept it is refreshing, so here it is.</p><div class="feedflare">
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<description>You can buy wasp eggs for your fields by the hundreds or thousands online.

... but you have to implant them in the aphids yourself.</description>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[PWorthen: <p>&quot;You can buy wasp eggs for your fields by the hundreds or thousands online.&quot;</p>

<p>... but you have to implant them in the aphids yourself.</p><div class="feedflare">
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<description>Radioisotope use, in addition to its functional applications, always had unintended utility as a learning tool.  Its use required students to become familiar with concepts like exponential decay and the poisson distribution, not to mention basic familiarity with the molecules themselves - which phosphate is attached where, which one carries the label, which linkage is involved? - and psychologically, the ominous chirping of the geiger counter uncovering unsuspected contamination of lab benches, shoes, floors, gloves, sharps, the doorknob on the lunchroom door, was always a humbling object lesson in laboratory safety.

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I hadnt thought of these extra benefits, but concur with you entirely.  Understanding the metric (a popular term these days) of radioactivity was useful to me both in the lab and the classroom.
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[Welkin: <p>Radioisotope use, in addition to its functional applications, always had unintended utility as a learning tool.  Its use required students to become familiar with concepts like exponential decay and the poisson distribution, not to mention basic familiarity with the molecules themselves - which phosphate is attached where, which one carries the label, which linkage is involved? - and psychologically, the ominous chirping of the geiger counter uncovering unsuspected contamination of lab benches, shoes, floors, gloves, sharps, the doorknob on the lunchroom door, was always a humbling object lesson in laboratory safety.</p>

<p>Elio&#39;s response:<br />
I hadn&#39;t thought of these extra benefits, but concur with you entirely.  Understanding the metric (a popular term these days) of radioactivity was useful to me both in the lab and the classroom.<br />
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<description>Pollution? Landfill? Health risks?</description>
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<description>Well, I find that students have more trouble understanding that Hershey-Chase experiment.  But maybe nanodots will come to the rescue.</description>
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<description>how does it do that

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Some of the biochemistry of bioluminescence is known and analogous in fungi and fireflies. </description>
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Some of the biochemistry of bioluminescence is known and analogous in fungi and fireflies. </p><div class="feedflare">
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<description>I think this would be more powerful if you picked a common definition of life and analyzed with respect to that, rather than using the throughout history, many definitions approach. 

The reader will not exhaust all historically significant definitions of life, and naturally, would suspect you have not done so either - rendering any conclusions drawn here as suspect as well. 

Not to take away from the content, which was interesting. But I still am not convinced one way or the other (that life does or does not, should or should not, include viruses.)

thats my unqualified 2 cents 

Elios reply:
We would pick a definition of life if we could.    Im not aware of a commonly agreed one. Different ones continue to appear.  The funny thing is that everyone knows what life is, even though it escapes definition. Thats true for viruses. You know what they are, and so do I, but defining them is another matter.  

There is a gap between knowing and defining. Im no philosopher, so I wonder about why defining things is so difficult. 
 




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<content:encoded><![CDATA[theDude: <p>I think this would be more powerful if you picked a common definition of life and analyzed with respect to that, rather than using the &quot;throughout history, many definitions&quot; approach. </p>

<p>The reader will not exhaust all historically significant definitions of life, and naturally, would suspect you have not done so either - rendering any conclusions drawn here as suspect as well. </p>

<p>Not to take away from the content, which was interesting. But I still am not convinced one way or the other (that &quot;life&quot; does or does not, should or should not, include &quot;viruses&quot;.)</p>

<p>thats my unqualified 2 cents </p>

<p>Elio&#39;s reply:<br />
We would pick a definition of life if we could.    I&#39;m not aware of a commonly agreed one. Different ones continue to appear.  The funny thing is that everyone knows what &quot;life&quot; is, even though it escapes definition. That&#39;s true for &quot;viruses.&quot; You know what they are, and so do I, but defining them is another matter.  </p>

<p>There is a gap between &quot;knowing&quot; and &quot;defining.&quot; I&#39;m no philosopher, so I wonder about why defining things is so difficult. <br />
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<description>Its in the wasps interest, then, for H. defensa to be there, and to have some effectiveness -- otherwise, maybe, no more prey! -- but not to be absolute proof against parasitization -- or no more wasps!  Ideally, it should be proof against every other wasp including her sisters, but defenseless against herself.  Statistically defensive seems a good-enough approximation to that ideal.

How that unstable approximation might be maintained is curious.  The wasp is always experimenting with ways to get past the defense, and perhaps succeeding occasionally, thereby wiping out the defenseless fraction of the population, and sometimes herself if thats too large.  H. defensa, if it gets too good, wipes out the wasp population but also renders itself redundant and soon dispensed with. Probably this has happened frequently in isolated pockets, with repopulations from nearby and a tendency to reduced experimentalism in all participants?
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<p>How that unstable approximation might be maintained is curious.  The wasp is always experimenting with ways to get past the defense, and perhaps succeeding occasionally, thereby wiping out the defenseless fraction of the population, and sometimes herself if that&#39;s too large.  H. defensa, if it gets too good, wipes out the wasp population but also renders itself redundant and soon dispensed with. Probably this has happened frequently in isolated pockets, with repopulations from nearby and a tendency to reduced experimentalism in all participants?<br />
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<description>One wonders if the difference in hourglass vs rolex allows one to adapt better to seasonal changes in light/dark duration per day than the other.</description>
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What a wonderful time to study microbiology!</description>
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