Question: You talk about our habits and weakness and how to overcome that. Can You talk a little bit more about it?

Shri Mataji: See, we are weak because we are ignorant first of all. As I told you, we are holding the snake and there’s darkness and in that darkness we don’t see that this is going to bite us. But, when you become enlightened, you become a very powerful, dynamic person, absolutely. And you separate yourself from your habits. You see it very clearly. Then you don’t talk that “I have this habit or that habit.” You don’t say like that.

Like a person would come and say, “Mother, you know, my Agnya is catching; this chakra is catching. That means I have too much ego.”

But they don’t say, “I have ego.” I mean if you tell somebody, “You have ego,” they’ll hit you hard, isn’t it? But if a person gets it, he feels it. And he says, “Mother, I have too much problem with the Agnya Chakra so please clear it up.”

So, if you have any habits – say supposing there are people who used to take drugs. In the beginning I had horrible people in England, about seven of them, all drug addicts and things. Of course, very well-educated, professors and things, but all drug addicts, hippies and violent people, really. When they came to Me, it was not easy to handle them. But they are today the foundation of Sahaja Yoga. Wonderful people they are. Now what happened, they said, “We want to get rid of it but we can’t. We just can’t help it.”

But you will be amazed, overnight they gave up, overnight. Just it happens because you see the light and you throw the snake, just happens. You don’t have to think about it, just happens. I never tell them these Ten Commandments – don’t do this, don’t do that. Don’t tell them. Just it works from within. Why should I tell them? Why should I give them a lecture? There’s no need. They themselves become their own master and the mastery is that the master cures and gives you powers. You develop that dignity; it’s remarkable what happens. To Me, it’s not a surprise because I know what you are. You are so glorious.

It’s like you take a small little, say a television to a remote corner of India and in some village and show them and say that “Here is a place, this box will show you all the kinds of music and all kinds of dramas and this.”

They say, “What? This box? How is it going to work out?”

And, you put it to the mains and it starts working and they say, “It’s fantastic.”

It’s like that. We are fantastic, we are glorious but we have yet to be connected, that’s all. It just happens, you don’t have to force yourself, you don’t have to do anything. It just works. The inner force works it out.

Interviewer: I personally would doubt that human society has ripened, or has improved. If you look throughout the world, then more wars than ever, more people than ever.
Shri Mataji: Yes, it is, it has to be, it has to be. It has to be at the worst time when we will be having.

It’s written down in the Nala Akhyana. Is there was one fellow called Nala, and his wife was separated by this Kali, the one who is ruling now. Kali is the modern times deity – Kali, Kali Yuga this is. And he caught hold of this Kali. He said, “I am going to kill you, because you are the one who puts us into confusions, into all demoralization and everything, so better I kill you.” He said, “See, I have also one importance.” “So what is your importance?” He said, “The importance is such that at the time when there will be Kali Yuga, I mean that’s the blackest time of Kali Yuga, that’s the time those who are seeking me in the hills and dales will become householders, and they’ll get their Realization.” He said it.

So this is the time, not only the time, but the maturity comes through witnessing all these things. That’s why they are taking to it. Why there is so much seeking today? Because they see all these things happening. So there are people who are just ready.

I agree with you, to look at, it looks horrible, like a pond full of worms. But I have seen lotuses coming out of it, fragrant lotuses, giving fragrance. You see the lotuses. And we have small little lotuses also. (Laughter) Quite a lot of them all over the world. You’d love to see them. The world can be easily changed. It’s difficult for people to understand that it is true. That’s the only trouble is. Because, you see, they – I don’t know in what world they live. I don’t know what – they don’t believe in it. Now see, these people are here. They are people who have been cured by – so many people have enjoyed Sahaja Yoga. But still it happens. I think it will come. It will happen. India is an easier place to work out Sahaja Yoga. Because they know about it, and they have felt it. They are more – they are not in, you see, they cannot do shopping, they cannot do guru shopping. Thank God we are not so rich. (Shri Mataji laughing & laughter) So all the gurus have come down here, you see, to lynch you nicely. (Laughter) And make you do this. But some of them have been really very cruel, I must say, very cruel people. The way they have destroyed, they have destroyed so many people, made so much money.

Interviewer: Sure [inaudible ].
Shri Mataji: Horrible, horrible, it is. So, you can’t make money out of it at all. And one gentleman who came from BBC told Me that Anglo-Saxon brain cannot understand anything without money. What do you say to that?

Interviewer: I think it’s not true.
Shri Mataji: It’s not true. Because how can it be? How much money did you pay to Christ? To anyone of the real saints, I am saying. But the whole system is like this working, what to do? I’m sure it will work out, I’m sure. It has to spread. And it will work out, no doubt. Look at the happiness on their faces when I say that. (Shri Mataji laughing & laughter)

Shri Mataji: You want to know everything today only is it? You will know everything all right. But there’s, for God, there is nothing like feminine and masculine. That’s our quarrel. The Power of God is the Feminine. Without the Feminine, God is just a Witness. So it’s like the moon and the moonlight. Do we differentiate between the two? It’s only human error that we differentiate like that. Between God and His Power there’s no differentiation.

So this problem of feminine and masculine is our mental problem. Comes from both sides. But after Sahaja Yoga you know what it is. It’s nothing, it’s just a myth. India we don’t have this problem, at all, much. Of course there are some men who are very oppressive and all that, but the girls are taught how to handle these men also. Because you see men are like children really, and women have to be, more deft in handling household because they are the preservers, they have to preserve the society, they are responsible for the society. There’s nothing wrong if a husband says do like this or do that. You see it’s all right just like a child, after all, doesn’t matter.

But the way things are now is, we don’t know how to handle them, and now we are lost a little bit. Doesn’t matter. In Sahaja Yoga you’ll learn everything. Such nice relations we have, beautiful families, beautiful children. You’ll be amazed to see this society. Once in a while of course there could be a divorce, once in a while there could be something wrong but mostly, mostly, they are wonderful people. Very loyal, very family loving, beautiful people. This problem gets solved because it’s out of ignorance, we feel that way. All right?

Q: When in collective, the kundalini moves but when is she is alone with you?
SHRI MATAJI: You should know you are never alone when alone. Absolutely, it’s just, you just enjoy the loneliness also. Sometimes I’m left alone then I’m quite happy also you know. No questions, nothing, no problem. Sometimes I enjoy myself you see. When you know what you are you really enjoy.

I have seen people who have never written a word of poetry, after getting self-realization they become great poets. Some musicians, they were no good have become great musicians. Some people who never spoke a word, they have become great orators, so all this happens to you. And when you are alone, you get the ideas from the torsion area. Very important to be alone, so don’t feel bad that you are alone. Here you are in connection with God, you’re never alone. And you get all your ideas from the torsion area, if you note it down you’ll be amazed at yourself. All right? May God Bless you.

Question: How do you make the Kundalini stronger?

Shri Mataji: Ahh that’s a good question. First you’ll get your Realization, then you go to the collective, and the Kundalini will rise by itself and there are people, Sydney specially is a very good place, for becoming a master of Sahaja Yoga. It’s very good place. So we have already arranged they are very anxious, they’ll do it all free of charge. It’s not like one introduction is free and then come along give the money nothing of the kind. All free, they will work it out. They are not even aware, that they’re doing all…It’s all right for Me, but what about them? They are doing all this work for taking no money. These Sahaja Yogis are not even aware of that. I might be the only One, crazy One doing that, but what about them? They are so anxious to work it out. They know how to raise Kundalini they know how to strengthen Kundalini. They know how to detect your problems and they are there to help you, out and out. All right? May God bless you.

Q: Once you get self-realization you know yourself, but who is going to correct the injustice in the world? Who is going to become the leader? Who will change the world where there is injustice, where there is discrimination, where there is hatred? If you are saying forget about the hatred, who is going to come forward? If I become self-realized and then forget the hatred then who’s going to come forward and change the world where there’s injustice, where there’s a crime, where there’s a harassment?
Shri Mataji: Ah, correct, that’s the worry I have. This hatred and all this, comes through ignorance. We have ignorance, and once you start getting into this great ocean of love, it starts just disappearing from you, to begin with and from others also, who have got realization.

Now they say that Sahaja Yoga is working in seventy-two countries and we have seminars in India sometimes and sometimes in Italy where the people from all these countries come. I have never seen them criticizing each other. Of course they have great fun, they enjoy, but never seen complaining or doing anything wrong to each other. Because now they have become all one.
It’s the last judgment, this is the time of last judgment. If you want to remain as you are, you’ll remain, nobody can force you. But, if you want to rise to that level, you’ll be amazed, you’ll have friends all over the world. Not ordinary friends, but real, real friends.

So, just to get rid of this hatred and all nonsense what do we have to do? Think this hatred comes from where? It comes from human beings. So, we have to transform them. If they are transformed, things will be all right.

Interviewer: How did you begin?

Shri Mataji: I was born like this. I was born with the same awareness as we call as a Self Realized Soul. But I knew that I’ve to do some job about it. To give Realization to one person is easy, but to give it to a mass is very difficult. So I had to understand human beings, how I could manage a en-masse Realization. And then I learnt it, found out, discovered it, and now I can give en-masse Realization. Specially in India even if there are 6,000 people, at least 4,000 people get Realization. But, how many look after their sprouted seed, is their look-out. You cannot force them. So, some of them do become great trees, but some are very slow.

Interviewer: I am working on an issue on what is called New Age.
Shri Mataji: Oh, I see. Now this New Age people, I have read about them, because they came to this place called as Mind and Body Exhibition in London. They invited Me also, but I didn’t go. Because you see that’s also a money-oriented business. And I don’t want to go this mind and thing where there is money business is going on in the name of God or in the name of Spirit or in the name of Evolution. So we didn’t go there. They are talking of clearing the chakras. You cannot clear chakras with effort, as I told you. Your Kundalini has to be awakened, and can be awakened only by a Realized soul who is authorized to do it. Otherwise Kundalini cannot be awakened. So basically the mistake lies that you cannot manoeuvre with your hands, if you try anything, even like acupuncture, if you try anything, then you develop imbalances within yourself.

Interviewer: And yoga tradition is different to this?
Shri Mataji: Yes, yoga tradition also we use, but according to the problems of our centers. Supposing now we have a problem here, and we start doing some exercises of the stomach. What’s the use? So we should know where is the problem. See, we have to be very alert about it to find out where is the problem.

Interviewer: But don’t you think that problem is everywhere? I mean, if you have seven Chakras then there you have seven problem areas? (Laughter)
Shri Mataji: No, areas are limited in certain people. It‘s not all the problems, then person won’t exist (Shri Mataji lauging) if all the chakras are caught up. It’s like taking all the medicines – Hatha Yoga, modern Hatha Yoga is like this. That you take all the medicines, all the drugs, (Shri Mataji laughing) whether you need it or not. That can be very dangerous. Specially I have seen people who do Hatha Yoga have a problem on the heart and also become very dry people, mostly they have emotional problems and also they have divorces. It’s very common, because they become very dry. Lot of, you see, imbalances coming.

Interviewer: I see what you mean, yeah.
Shri Mataji: They are not integrated people. It’s not only physical being that you live for. You live for your Spiritual being. Physical being is looked after by the Spiritual being later on once you are a Realized Soul. You don’t go to doctors after that. And so many diseases get cured automatically. So many people give up all their bad habits, like drugs, this that – automatically. I don’t have to do anything. It’s your own Kundalini, it’s your own power, it’s everything your own. Once you are awakened, you become your own guru. You don’t need a Guru either.

Question: Which will be the end of all the world or of humankind?

Shri Mataji: Which will be the end of world? Again, futuristic, very futuristic. Let’s not talk about the end. Just now is the beginning. When the child is born we just don’t think about his death, do we? So better be worried about the beginning of this new world that we have started and don’t think of the death and all those things. Forget it for the time being.

Question: What method can you use for a lay person? It’s very difficult to develop this sensitivity.
Shri Mataji: You see but that’s what it is in the Kali Yuga, in these modern times only, when we are surrounding by all these things, we get into confusions and illusions and this kind of a subhranth stithi as they call it in Sanskrit language, is very important because in that only we have started seeking. Can you imagine Christ had only twelve disciples, only twelve, so how many were there seekers, and all these great gurus, how many disciples they had who were realized souls, very few.

So, today is a special time, is already described, if you are an Indian you’ll know from Naladamyanti. The Nala once got hold of this Kali and he said, “I must kill you because you have tortured me, you have separated me from my wife and you are the one who create all this confusion.” So he said, “All right you can do it but you must know my importance my mahatmyam.” He said, “What is your importance?” He said, “At the time when I’ll be ruling” means modern times “at that time those people who are seeking the truth in the valleys and on the Himalayas will find it while they’ll be householders and they’ll find it.”

It’s already described in Indian if you have read also the Nadigranth is described that this was going to happen, everything in details has been described. If you have read William Blake you will find he has described it, Lewis has described, so many people have described these times and have called it as Aquarius Time because this Kundalini is inside the triangular bone which is the Aquarius, is known as the Aquarius, I mean they are talking about it, but instead of beating the bush you see, we should really get to it. Get to it.