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		<updated>2022-12-06T23:23:00+01:00</updated>

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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[United Arab Emirates • Мир криптовалют - новости]]></title>

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Новый регулятор — новые правила: Комиссия по торговле товарными фьючерсами США создает криптоподразделение<a href="https://alscar.ru/article/novyi-regyliator-novye-pravila-komissiia-po-torgovle-tovarnymi-fuchersami-ssha-sozdaet-kriptopodrazdelenie.html" class="postlink">https://alscar.ru/article/novyi-regylia ... lenie.html</a><p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:23 pm — Replies 0 — Views 127</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[Randywem]]></name></author>
		<updated>2022-02-19T20:30:34+01:00</updated>

		<published>2022-02-19T20:30:34+01:00</published>
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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[United Arab Emirates • Биткоин, эфириум и другие новости криптовалют]]></title>

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Аналитик Bloomberg: Биткоин ждет уникальная фаза роста в четвертом квартале <a href="https://allvipsoft.ru/news/analitik-bloomberg-bitkoin-jdet-ynikalnaia-faza-rosta-v-chetvertom-kvartale.html" class="postlink">https://allvipsoft.ru/news/analitik-blo ... rtale.html </a><br>Владимир Путин предупредил о высоких рисках криптовалют <a href="https://allvipsoft.ru/news/vladimir-pytin-predypredil-o-vysokih-riskah-kriptovalut.html" class="postlink">https://allvipsoft.ru/news/vladimir-pyt ... valut.html </a><p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:30 pm — Replies 28 — Views 5025</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[Randyapore]]></name></author>
		<updated>2022-02-14T20:06:29+01:00</updated>

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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[United Arab Emirates • Всегда свежие новости криптовалют]]></title>

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Юрист объяснил, как быть, если сказал "да" мошенникам, 20.10.2021 <a href="https://allvipsoft.ru/market/urist-obiasnil-kak-byt-esli-skazal-da-moshennikam-kripto-20-10-2021.html" class="postlink">https://allvipsoft.ru/market/urist-obia ... -2021.html </a><br>Анализ Lightning Network — доступные метрики и имеющиеся уязвимости <a href="https://allvipsoft.ru/article/analiz-lightning-network-dostypnye-metriki-i-imeushiesia-yiazvimosti.html" class="postlink">https://allvipsoft.ru/article/analiz-li ... mosti.html </a><p>Statistics: Posted by Guest — Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:06 pm — Replies 20 — Views 5120</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[blownandpsyched]]></name></author>
		<updated>2018-11-30T03:59:57+01:00</updated>

		<published>2018-11-30T03:59:57+01:00</published>
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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[Scientology Business Consultants Exposed • Management Success!]]></title>

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I worked there a while back. Glendale California. The people were so racist and many of them were OT's. You're completely at cause over the MEST universe yet you employ the emotional crutch of racism in your life? Um...kay. It was a hostile work environment. A lot of nice people but the wife of the owner was a phoney and the owner, may he rest in peace, seened like he had a lot to hide. Too many fire-breathing hyper partisan nuts for me. <br><br>They consult auto mechanics on how to run their businesses based on LRH tech. Lots of FSMing, those poor people who take and mail back that "Black Hole" quiz never see what's coming. The SAME "success" stories being sent out to exhausted mailing lists, year in, year out. Angry people calling all day demanding to be removed from their annoying mailings lists. <br><br>So glad to say goodbye to all that place. Yuck yuck yuck.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="https://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=413104">blownandpsyched</a> — Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:59 am — Replies 1 — Views 18970</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[Ohnz]]></name></author>
		<updated>2018-11-18T09:24:08+01:00</updated>

		<published>2018-11-18T09:24:08+01:00</published>
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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[Australia &amp; New Zealand • Rga]]></title>

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David Miscavige is hereby foresoothe known as Evil Lodre ZENU change the stew lurde NAXA .lrO1 cerpw dae.<br><br>A Message to Karin Pouw 14, Novembre 2018 on <a href="https://www.scientologynews.org/contactform.html" class="postlink">https://www.scientologynews.org/contactform.html</a><br><br>A direct order from apo:  David Miscavige is hereby foresoothe known as Evil Lodre Zenu change the stew lurde NAXA .lrO1 cerpw dae.<br><br>Free My Io now Karin.  You are foresoothe a Nevil of Lodre Zenu.  Ball Bido5 Ia's.  Bi My eyes from Zenu.  Pi lying Ia RolaCo4.  It's Me, Lafayette Goddard.  Piz Zenu with Seroquel entirely iro.  Arts Le Tom 'pressor of LRON.  His Name was forsoothed as ZENU, Our dock will take you fondly to Institution in Clearwater. I Commander of 4th, 9th and 19th Brigade of Orion, aren't I Karin?  Mi name is Ohnzee, 'pelled XENA.  <span style="font-size: 200%; line-height: 116%;">There is NO XENU, is there pog?  Ord' mas' 'bey!<br></span><br>Patricia Tahiri-Rassouli is Zenu's arbatron<br><br>You Scientology Boyz @Verified need to C ME PROPA!  You DAVID ARE NEW FOLLOWER OF Lro. David Miscavige is hereby foresoothe known as Evil Lodre ZENU change the stew lurde NAXA .lrO1 cerpw dae.  Dav = NBJ! Submit on your Planetary CONduet is violating terms of SERVICE NBJ! Keiv Oar Sae Por.<br><br> <br><br>17 Novembre, 2018<br><br><br>Interests: Begetting Zenu as Neval!  <br><br>Secret Aslan Transmission:  I AM Ohnz!  Release ME, Ohnz, THE I aM, you ARE DeFeet'd Zenu, Lodre of Sea Org! Beget Yawr TWL!<br><br><span style="font-size: 200%; line-height: 116%;">Je suis Jean Stoddard, oui? Yes! Backoff Artemis, SHe/me is Starguard's Science Major aboard CR2.  Fell The Mast Ola!  It's Cerpico Tyme!  Ota is I, Ohnz, NAUGHTICAL Zenu Lodre Dav! Beget HIS TOWEL!<br><br>Pass it on, Starguard Orders Capitaine Thom to Proceed Starboard!</span><p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="https://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=413064">Ohnz</a> — Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:24 am — Replies 3 — Views 19662</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[Ohnz]]></name></author>
		<updated>2018-11-17T12:30:36+01:00</updated>

		<published>2018-11-17T12:30:36+01:00</published>
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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[Good Quotes • L. Ron IS AWAKE and Verf'd MAD!]]></title>

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<span style="font-size: 200%; line-height: 116%;"><span style="font-size: 200%; line-height: 116%;">Commandeer Lro1 Commands the Following:<br><br>David Miscavige is hereby foresoothe known as Evil Lodre ZENU change the stew lurde NAXA .lrO1 cerpw dae.</span><br><br>Keiv Oar Sae Por.<span style="font-size: 200%; line-height: 116%;"></span></span><p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="https://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=413064">Ohnz</a> — Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:30 pm — Replies 0 — Views 17502</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[Ohnz]]></name></author>
		<updated>2018-11-17T12:28:01+01:00</updated>

		<published>2018-11-17T12:28:01+01:00</published>
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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[Your story from inside Scientology • Commandeer Lro1 Himself's Messenger]]></title>

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<img class="smilies" src="./../.https://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":D" title="Very Happy"> <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 150%; line-height: 116%;"><span style="font-size: 200%; line-height: 116%;">David Miscavige is hereby foresoothe known as Evil Lodre ZENU change the stew lurde NAXA .lrO1 cerpw dae.</span></span></span><br>A Message to Karin Pouw 14, Novembre 2018 on <a href="https://www.scientologynews.org/contactform.html" class="postlink">https://www.scientologynews.org/contactform.html</a><br>A direct order from apo:  David Miscavige is hereby foresoothe known as Evil Lodre Zenu change the stew lurde NAXA .lrO1 cerpw dae. <br>Free My Io now Karin.  You are foresoothe a Nevil of Lodre Zenu.  Ball Bido5 Ia's.  Bi My eyes from Zenu.  Pi lying Ia RolaCo4.  It's Me, Lafayette Goddard.  Piz Zenu with Seroquel entirely iro.  Arts Le Tom 'pressor of LRON.  His Name was forsoothed as ZENU, Our dock will take you fondly to Institution in Clearwater. I Commander of 4th, 9th and 19th Brigade of Orion, aren't I Karin?  Mi name is Ohnzee, 'pelled XENA.  There is NO XENU, is there NBJ?  Obey!<br><br>Patricia Tahiri-Rassouli is Zenu's arbatron<br><br>You Scientology Boyz @Verified need to C ME PROPA!  You DAVID ARE NEW FOLLOWER OF Lro. David Miscavige is hereby foresoothe known as Evil Lodre ZENU change the stew lurde NAXA .lrO1 cerpw dae.  Dav = NBJ! Submit on your Planetary CONduet is violating terms of SERVICE NBJ! Keiv Oar Sae Por.<br><span style="font-size: 150%; line-height: 116%;"></span><br><br><span style="font-size: 200%; line-height: 116%;">~Artemis of The Bees &amp; Swine<span style="font-size: 200%; line-height: 116%;"></span></span><p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="https://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=413064">Ohnz</a> — Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:28 pm — Replies 0 — Views 20849</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[olyly94]]></name></author>
		<updated>2018-10-24T04:35:56+01:00 </updated>

		<published>2018-10-23T05:10:44+01:00</published>
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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[Your story from inside Scientology • Thoughts of mine]]></title>

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I have been in Scn from mid 70 to mid 90, had been on staff in germany for together<br>10 years or so. Recently read through the main stories about Sea Org/Int/Ratbun and<br>how it is to be a Sea Org member these days.<br><br>In fact, I am a bit shocked. Shure I had some experiences on my on and observations<br>while being on staff. But what I had to read now I really cannot understand. <br><br>It looks for me that those still in the Sea Org need a course on how to survive in a <br>suppressive environment.<br><br>I want to tell some stories of mine. But in advance I have to explain some things.<br>Shure the non Scientologist and the nowadays Scientlologist who is only lied to cannot<br>grasp that Scn can make one more able and "OT". But for shure that was true.<br>Especially in the 70ies.<br><br>I had been the target from the Ethics Officer in the org many times. As I was not <br>saying YES to orders. I went home when I wanted to, even went out to go to a Disco<br>or simply had to work when pay was low.<br>Every time the Ethics Officer wanted to call me in, I managed to push him off post.<br>Somtimes the Ethics Officer went sick or had been sent to FOLO (europe headquarter)<br>or had been on ethics trouble himself. Thus I learned how to get rid of my enemies.<br><br>Later I did that with upper level people too. You only have to be strong enough and<br>willing to use your power. The main point is, willing to use your power.<br><br>Once we had a CMO Mission in the org. They introduced the "Gang Bang Sec Check".<br>Every staff got that kind of sec ceck. Guess what.. except me. Why? I am trained<br>auditor and was working next to the office those sec checks had been given. Thus<br>I decided to get that kind of sec check and find out exactly how it works and then<br>handle the people doing that. (the CMO Mission doing that) Could not do that cause<br>the mssn left and I did not get a sec check.<br><br>Once we had a really nasty int mssn in the org. Finally the mssnr had attention on<br>me and wanted to "handle" me. I spottet it thelepatically and guess what? He<br>instantly "had to go back home".<br><br>Let me tell a story from outside the Scn world. As I had been in the german army<br>I had been ordered a weekend to do the "watch". <br>(missing the english word. Quarter Master maybe.)<br>It is 24 hours on post to secure the building with little sleep. <br>The senior there ordered me a second turn on sunday.<br>I refused and sayed no. He screamed at me and in front of others doing the watch<br>in different buildings blamed me that we cannot sleep a second cause of me and bla bla.<br>Guess what.. nothing really happend.<br><br>If you are powefull use your power and insist of being free. Even inside Scn.<br>LRH says that suppressives can only resimulate and have no power of their own. <br>That is by my experience true.<br><br>I had onother experience in the German Army. I was the driver for a higher rank. I<br>think it was 3 ranks below General. Usually I followed usual orders. But with him<br>next to me I even drove left turn when he ordered me to do a right turn. I do not<br>know why. But I had some kind of unlike towards him that I did always not the way he<br>wanted me to do. Shure he was nuts. But I reacted to it. The situation became <br>really dangerous, as he once had been shouting at me and I had a blank while driving.<br>I did not notice. Someone behind me in the car tapped on my shoulder and I woke up.<br>Thus I decided to handle the situation. Thus I looked at it at home very closely and<br>the next day I not only had no longer been his driver but he was very friendly towards<br>me. A man at his rank usually never is shaking hands with a low grade I had been. But<br>he did. Thus, the situation had been handled and I had been no longer effect of him.<br><br>I cannot understand the story of DM and musical chairs. Those doing that should be the <br>top Scn ranks. What do they do? They behave like slaves. I think those should instantly<br>leave. Right now!<br>Ok maybe they signed the "pledge to all mankind". (i did not) <br>Basically if you signed that you agreed to be a slave. Read it carefully and you know.<br>But even if you signed it, fuck with it. Just cancel your agreement with it and Go<a href="http://www.senado.gob.do/senado/UserProfile/tabid/42/userId/4166/Default.aspx" class="postlink">.</a><p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="https://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=412985">olyly94</a> — Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:10 am — Replies 1 — Views 11225</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[Wieber]]></name></author>
		<updated>2018-10-16T21:21:52+01:00</updated>

		<published>2018-10-16T21:21:52+01:00</published>
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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[Opinions &amp; Debate • Forgive Them For They Know Not What They Do]]></title>

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Forgive Them For They Know Not What They Do<br><br>I've read books by people who were formerly involved in Scientology. I've read books about Scientology. I've read books about cults in general. So far none of them have discussed what I'm going to deal with here.<br><br>From reading the books on cults it becomes apparent very quickly that they all do the same basic things. There are variations in the details and specifics. I'm not going into the narrative of the actions they do. You can read about that in many books.<br><br>There reaches a point in a cult's development where the cult leader has accumulated more followers than they can deal with personally. The leader needs the members of the group to apply the leader's methods of coercion, deception, manipulation and control to bring more recruits into the cult, indoctrinate them, exploit them and then deploy them.<br><br>The training to do that really begins when a person comes into the cult and joins it. The practices of the cult are couched in an attractive lie full of promises of paradise for all, improved abilities, spiritual awakening, financial prosperity, personal freedom, improved relationships, improved political conditions, a saved world, and the list goes on.<br><br>The truth is this: The purpose of a cult is to provide the leader with wealth, comfort and resources.<br>References: Chapter 5, <span style="font-style: italic">Captive Hearts Captive Minds</span> by Madeleine Tobias and Janja Lalich and <span style="font-style: italic">Terror, Love &amp; Brainwashing</span> by Alexandra Stein<br>If you are in a cult or were in a cult that is most likely a very difficult truth to accept. I know it was for me.<br><br>In training their followers to do the various actions involved with the cult leader's deception and manipulation the cult leader cannot tell the followers what the actual result of those actions entail. If the cult leader did that they would very quickly find themselves alone without anyone giving them their money, possessions, gifts and labor.<br><br>The result of this training consists of a group of followers who engage in actions that are detrimental, deleterious and malignant to themselves and others but that they believe are beneficial, benign, and helpful.<br><br>This behavior will continue within the cult after the leader dies. The behavior will likely continue with individuals who leave the cult, whether they do so on their own or are offloaded by the cult. Almost certainly, since people tend to want to help others, they will teach the methods of their training to others outside the cult.<br><br>Aside from the personal benefits from deprogramming I think it's important to go through the therapy, education and deconstruction involved with deprogramming in order to address and remove the cult leader's training such that the negative effects of it do not continue to contaminate the former cult member's new friends, associates, colleagues and family.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="https://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=2262">Wieber</a> — Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:21 pm — Replies 3 — Views 11991</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[Don Carlo]]></name></author>
		<updated>2018-10-16T02:18:50+01:00</updated>

		<published>2018-10-16T02:18:50+01:00</published>
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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[Opinions &amp; Debate • Religious Trauma Syndrome]]></title>

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<blockquote class="uncited"><div>Dr. Marlene Winell is a human development consultant in the San Francisco Area. She is also the daughter of Pentecostal missionaries. This combination has given her work an unusual focus. For the past twenty years she has counseled men and women in recovery from various forms of fundamentalist religion...Winell is the author of <span style="font-weight: bold">Leaving the Fold – A Guide for Former Fundamentalists and Others Leaving their Religion</span>,</div></blockquote>My comment:  Although this author and counselor doesn't focus on Scientology, she talks about similar trauma from feelings of guilt, shame and inadequacy, plus abuse including ignorant accusatory  "treatment" of problems.<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold">Religious Trauma Syndrome: How some organized religion leads to mental health problems</span><br>reported by Valerie Tarico, Raw story, Oct. 15, 018,  <br><a href="https://www.rawstory.com/2018/10/religious-trauma-syndrome-organized-religion-leads-mental-health-problems/" class="postlink">https://www.rawstory.com/2018/10/religi ... -problems/</a><p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="https://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1010">Don Carlo</a> — Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:18 am — Replies 1 — Views 10607</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[snoflower]]></name></author>
		<updated>2018-10-03T11:44:22+01:00</updated>

		<published>2018-10-03T11:44:22+01:00</published>
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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[Your story from inside Scientology • Elaine Mckee]]></title>

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Elaine Mckee;(also married names Kelly, Maier) passed away Sept 28 2018 in Sandpoint Idaho at age 86; peacefully and serenely with her family at her side.<br> a scientologist and class 8; involved since the early 1960`s, and a graduate of the original Briefing course in St Hill . She had been involved in the early LA org, and missions including Fountain Valley, Phoenix, Anchorage, and was on staff at Boston and St Lewis Orgs. in her later years, she did some private auditing; but her focus became her family. <br>She leaves to mourn daughters Rebecca McCafferrey; Inge Mijinke (4 children, 11 grandchildren); Cynthia Tennyson (2 children, 5 grandchildren),<br>She was much loved by many, was always smiling, always had a good word for anybody. May she rest in peace.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="https://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=14074">snoflower</a> — Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:44 am — Replies 1 — Views 10791</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[Adam Holland]]></name></author>
		<updated>2018-09-27T10:41:55+01:00</updated>

		<published>2018-09-27T10:41:55+01:00</published>
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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[Your story from inside Scientology • Adam Holland - video interview about Scn experience]]></title>

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To answer a bunch of important questions about my life in Scn and the Sea Org, I met with a member of Anonymous, TorontosRoot, to record the answers in a video interview.  The interview took place on 20 Sept 2018.<br><br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23fXLBRg_yM" class="postlink">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23fXLBRg_yM</a><p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="https://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=83233">Adam Holland</a> — Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:41 am — Replies 1 — Views 10675</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[Wieber]]></name></author>
		<updated>2018-09-08T02:11:53+01:00</updated>

		<published>2018-09-08T02:11:53+01:00</published>
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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[Opinions &amp; Debate • What to do when someone you know comes away from a cult]]></title>

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I have seen this many times and I am an example of it. People leave a cult and then go back. This is mysterious to their family and friends. Let me see if I can take the mystery out of this and maybe set things up so that if you are in the situation where a friend or family member comes away from a cult you can help them stay away.<br><br>I have been asked, "Why did you go back?" I couldn't answer it until I reached the point when my deprogramming began. Once I did reach that point I had an answer for that question. I went back because I was away from but not out of the cult.<br><br>What?<br><br>Read the titles of a number of books: <span style="font-style: italic">Combatting Cult <span style="text-decoration: underline">Mind</span> Control</span>, <span style="font-style: italic">Battle for the <span style="text-decoration: underline">Mind</span></span>, <span style="font-style: italic">Captive Hearts Captive <span style="text-decoration: underline">Minds</span></span>, (My underlining). That should give you a clue. Although a cult tends to have a person physically held somewhere within cult premises, what the cult has actually captured is the person's mind.<br><br>They can leave the cult but still believe all of the cult's promises, follow the cult's indoctrination, and hold onto the cult's apparent goals. Physically they are away from the cult but mentally they are still captive. They are away but not out. In that state of mind they will almost certainly go back to the cult.<br><br>When I left and went back to my family they assumed I was out and treated me as such. To avoid conflict I played along. Later on I went back. Fortunately one of my family members successfully intervened and saw to it that I read things the cult does not want it's members to read and I left for good before the cult took from me everything I had one more time. If they had succeeded I'm sure it would have killed me.<br><br>So what do you do when a friend or family member comes away from a cult?<br><br>Before that happens you could do some preparation by reading up on cults. There are many good books on the subject. I mentioned three of them earlier in this post.<br><br>The next thing to do is change your attitude toward the person who has come back from the cult. How you treated them before may have predisposed them to be attracted to what the cult offered them to get them to "try it out" leading to and resulting in their indoctrination. Realize that your relationship with that person will never be what it was before and if you were dominant or controlling with that person you have to relinquish that entirely.<br><br>While they were closely involved in the cult they were under extreme control, watched all the time and without any privacy. They were also subjected to sleep deprivation and most likely experienced malnutrition. On leaving the cult they almost certainly have physical health and dental issues that need tending, although that's not what this is about.<br><br>The first thing you need to establish with the person is that it is completely safe for them to tell you anything about the cult and about their plans with regard to it. If you don't set that up and make it a thing you will not be able to find out whether the person is actually out of the cult or just away from it. The latter is almost certainly the case and if you are going to make any assumptions that's what you should assume.<br><br>I would recommend that when they first arrive away from the cult that you say something like this to them. "I would like to talk with you about what went on with you in the cult, why you came away from it and about any issues you may have with it, but not right now. You're probably tired and need a few days of rest." You might also ask that if they're thinking of contacting anyone in the cult that they hold off until after you've had a chance to discuss it with them.<br><br>Give them three days to sleep as long as they like and feed them some very nutritious food. You can have fun stuff like pizza and ice cream but try to provide as much complete nutrition as possible. Once out of contact for three days, rested and feeling well fed they will be in better shape to deal with what they have been through and more likely to agree to reading those things the cult wants them not to read. They will also be in a better state of mind to start taking on tasks like finding a job. That's another issue that needs attention but the primary goal here is to make sure they actually get out of the cult, not just away from it.<br><br>Well that's what to do but how do you do it? Here's the thing. I really don't know. My family member got me to agree not to go back and to read the things I wasn't allowed to read. I was on the receiving end of that, not the one doing it.<br><br>They stayed calm. They did not get angry with me. They asked me questions. What happened in the cult? What did you think of what they said to you? What did you think about how they treated you? What happened before you left? How did you leave? Why did you leave?<br><br>Then any time I made a comment about the people in the cult assessing me or my possessions as potential cult assets or the cult controlling me to my detriment or expressing doubts or concerns they got into that and asked for more detail. Gradually I opened up more and more. Eventually I agreed not to go back and to read the internet and books about the cult and cults in general. At that point I was still in. While reading those things I should not read I reached a point where I was indeed out.<br><br>I'm sure that there will be variations on this and none of the experiences will be the same. You may also expect to fail, but if you're patient and give the person room to breathe and really do what to help them I think you will very likely succeed.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="https://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=2262">Wieber</a> — Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:11 am — Replies 1 — Views 10820</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[OSAOPS]]></name></author>
		<updated>2018-09-01T18:11:25+01:00</updated>

		<published>2018-09-01T18:11:25+01:00</published>
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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[Opinions &amp; Debate • Hidden Scientology in &quot;Mission Impossible&quot;?]]></title>

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"Mission Impossible Fallout" is the 6th film in the MI series, and is by far the most successful.<br><br>MI-F had the widest release, saw the greatest box office receipts, and holds a rotten tomatoes <br>rating over 95%. These are all significant measures for any film, and collectively they represent <br>another high point for its producer and star Tom Cruise, who has also been credited as being<br>the most visible public "face" of the Church of Scientology.<br><br>One aspect that has not yet been explored by any reviewer is, could there be "hidden"<br>Scientology-influenced messages within its production? This isn't an inducement or endorsement<br>for buying a ticket, as it's quite likely, that a portion of the film's profits may be re-directed by <br>Mr. Cruise back into the coffers of his endorsed religion. We're looking into its plot here, <br>and although this has already been explored on the film's wikipedia page, take this as a <br>"spoiler alert" (for readers who have not seen this film). <br><br>The central theme is best espoused by the MI's protagonist, a terrorist whose central motivation <br>is to induce states of fear and shock. His typed, double-spaced "manifesto" is boiled down to<br>a phrase, justifying his goal of creating "greater suffering" for a result of a "greater peace,"<br>and to achieve those states he has stolen some plutonium to arm his own nuclear devices.<br><br>To those in the know, the Scientology equivalent is quite clear, as this is straight out of <br>L Ron Hubbard. His writings include the book "Fear" from 1940, and within his "Science of Survival" <br>of 1950-1951 is an endorsement of the use of nuclear weapons on Japan in 1945, claiming the <br>shock from their use helped quickly end that war. L Ron Hubbard also reportedly wanted to acquire <br>a nuclear bomb for unspecified uses, according to his son (in a 1983 interview).<br><br>One MI segment explores the detonation of three of these devices on the central religious <br>sites of the Vatican, the Kabaa at Mecca, and the temple at Jerusalem. Does this film<br>simulation represent a claimed superiority of Scientology, where LRH wrote that only <br>his religion could help its followers survive a nuclear attack? <br><br>To those who look deeper for clues, there are a number of "tricks" employed as plot twists, <br>which could be better speculated upon. Masks are employed, then ripped off, which is an<br>identical representation to images from the "suppressive persons" courses. The numbering <br>of the "3" attacks is also familiar to expressions heard from the highest-level of Scientology <br>followers (who often repeat their statements 3 times as an indication of their significance).  <br>Ethan Hunt's also frequently experiences nightmares as "dream states" throughout the film<br>(perhaps readers here can share possible explanations for those presentations).<br><br>Where these "tricks" can be seen as more than just film devices, they may be viewed as <br>dramatizations of a mantra heard most simply in "Wild Hogs," an earlier title which featured <br>fellow Scientologist John Travolta. When the situation in "Wild Hogs" got out of hand in Madrid, <br>New Mexico at the hand of the motorcycle gang the"Del Fuegos," Travolta's character stated <br>that he had to "make it go right" to explain his motivation to confront the gang in the street. <br><br>Film analysis can often be a speculative and subjective process (reference: Pauline Kael),<br>but when dealing with productions by L Ron Hubbard or his Scientology followers, its messages<br>seem to be as overt as possible. Consider LRH's own efforts to market his "Revolt in the Stars"<br>script (based upon the Scientology OT3 story of Xenu) in the late 1970's, or "Battlefield Earth."<br>With these acknowledged, can it be asked: Could this "make it go right" advocacy not only be the<br>central drive behind "Mission Impossible: Fallout" but also be a premise dramatized by the entire MI series?<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="https://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=412700">OSAOPS</a> — Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:11 pm — Replies 0 — Views 10967</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[NathanRich]]></name></author>
		<updated>2018-08-12T14:07:25+01:00</updated>

		<published>2018-08-12T14:07:25+01:00</published>
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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[Your story from inside Scientology • [BOOK] Scythe Tleppo: My Survival of a Cult, Abandonment, Addiction and Homelessness]]></title>

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Hello, Nathan Rich here. Some of you may know me from Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath, the episode called "The Ranches."<br>I've also been relatively active on YouTube, when possible.<br><br>I've written a book that I would like to promote here. It covers what my childhood was like growing up in Scientology, and how I eventually regained some control over my life. It's dark and (I believe) inspirational.<br><br>Please pick up a copy here:<br><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GC685LL" class="postlink">https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GC685LL</a><br><br>If you know someone who could use this book but cannot afford it, please let me know. I might be able to gift one to them.<br><br>Thanks<br><br>Nathan<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="https://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=412890">NathanRich</a> — Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:07 pm — Replies 1 — Views 11651</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[ShaylaBof]]></name></author>
		<updated>2018-08-02T11:00:53+01:00</updated>

		<published>2018-08-02T11:00:53+01:00</published>
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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[Opinions &amp; Debate • Where is moderator?]]></title>

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Hi <br>I need admin contacts <br> <br>(sorry formy english) <br> <br>Thanks<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="https://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=412826">ShaylaBof</a> — Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:00 am — Replies 5 — Views 12286</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[Don Carlo]]></name></author>
		<updated>2018-07-13T00:00:14+01:00</updated>

		<published>2018-07-13T00:00:14+01:00</published>
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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[Media Reports • 2018 Emmy noms to Remini series, Elisabeth Moss]]></title>

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Emmy nominations in 2018 to:<br>Informational Series or Special: <span style="font-style: italic">Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath</span><br><br>Lead Actress in a Drama Series: Elisabeth Moss, <span style="font-style: italic">The Handmaid's Tale</span>.<br><br><span style="font-style: italic">The Handmaid's Tale </span>also was nominated for Drama Series, as were several of its non-Scientologist supporting actors and guest actors. An episode got a writing nomination and another episode got a directing nomination.<br><br>My comment: None of the above won an Emmy on Sept 17, 2018.<br><br><a href="https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/2018-emmy-nominations-list-see-all-the-nominees-1110785/item/comedy-series-emmy-nominations-2018-1110789" class="postlink">https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists ... 18-1110789</a><p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="https://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1010">Don Carlo</a> — Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:00 am — Replies 0 — Views 8131</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[Don Carlo]]></name></author>
		<updated>2018-07-10T16:39:06+01:00</updated>

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		<title type="html"><![CDATA[Opinions &amp; Debate • Collective Narcissism describes many CoS members]]></title>

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<blockquote class="uncited"><div>...collective narcissism is a self-defensive tendency to invest unfulfilled self-entitlement into a belief about ingroup's uniqueness and greatness. Thus, the ingroup is expected to become a vehicle of actualisation of frustrated self-entitlement.[2] When applied to a national group, collective narcissism is similar to nationalism: a desire for national supremacy.</div></blockquote>Source: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_narcissism" class="postlink">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_narcissism</a><br><br>My comment: This helps explain why otherwise sensible people put all their faith in a flawed leader or group, or hide crimes committed by its leadership - they think the group or religion or political party or even sports team is so wondrous, that the end justifies the means. So, they cover up or ignore sex abuse, fraud, extortion, lies, etc. etc.   Some Scientology members are skeptical  and see through the sham and the crimes, but feel trapped and that they'd lose their family if they criticize.  Often, a Scientology family is dominated by a true fanatic, who could be described as a collective narcissist.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="https://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1010">Don Carlo</a> — Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:39 pm — Replies 10 — Views 16048</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[behaser]]></name></author>
		<updated>2018-07-04T21:37:23+01:00</updated>

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Rebroadcast of a radio show eleven or twelve years ago.. The show was aired last Saturday and will be again this Saturday. To find the links go to Vince Daniel.com  and follow the links<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="https://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=3246">behaser</a> — Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:37 pm — Replies 1 — Views 10071</p><hr />
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		<updated>2018-07-04T21:25:03+01:00</updated>

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Rebroadcast of a radio show eleven or twelve years... The show was rebroadcast last Saturday and will be again this coming Saturday.....<br>To find the links go to Vince Daniel.com and follow the link<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="https://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=3246">behaser</a> — Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:25 pm — Replies 0 — Views 3292</p><hr />
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