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         <title>Comment on In Favor of Voluntarism by cspice</title>
         <link>http://aspice.wordpress.com/2011/01/10/in-favor-of-voluntarism/#comment-43</link>
         <description>I posted my response here: http://thrivebydesign.org/?p=1163&amp;amp;cpage=1#comment-2306</description>
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         <pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted my response here: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://thrivebydesign.org/?p=1163&#038;cpage=1#comment-2306">http://thrivebydesign.org/?p=1163&#038;cpage=1#comment-2306</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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         <title>Comment on Ph.D. Deadline by cspice</title>
         <link>http://aspice.wordpress.com/2010/12/05/ph-d-deadline/#comment-42</link>
         <description>Congratulations on posting your policy!

The leniency clause may introduce a risk of running into the effects of Hofstadter&amp;#039;s Law:

&amp;quot;It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter&amp;#039;s Law.&amp;quot;

Definitely applies in the case of our old homework assignments!

It might be safer to make the final deadline firm and specific. For example, there could be a deadline where you must cease all work on your research studies and a later deadline where you cease all work on your thesis writing and anything related besides the defense itself. The defense could come after these deadlines. Also, for the assessment, there could be a criterion like &amp;quot;Thesis is 50% typed up.&amp;quot;</description>
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         <pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 05:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations on posting your policy!</p>
<p>The leniency clause may introduce a risk of running into the effects of Hofstadter&#8217;s Law:</p>
<p>&#8220;It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter&#8217;s Law.&#8221;</p>
<p>Definitely applies in the case of our old homework assignments!</p>
<p>It might be safer to make the final deadline firm and specific. For example, there could be a deadline where you must cease all work on your research studies and a later deadline where you cease all work on your thesis writing and anything related besides the defense itself. The defense could come after these deadlines. Also, for the assessment, there could be a criterion like &#8220;Thesis is 50% typed up.&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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         <title>Comment on Real Life in Unreality by nspice</title>
         <link>http://aspice.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/real-life-in-unreality/#comment-8</link>
         <description>Are emotions real? If you think about the microscopic reactions in your body that would make you &amp;quot;feel&amp;quot; something, then how can we say that emotions are real? 
Plus the unreal experiences gained from unreal stories (games..whatever) is based on real human experiences. So actual experiences seem to blur into a fictitious reality otherwise we would not understand it at all. I advocate the real subjective experience, intead of the unreal because the unreal is a result of the real.</description>
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         <pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are emotions real? If you think about the microscopic reactions in your body that would make you &#8220;feel&#8221; something, then how can we say that emotions are real?<br />
Plus the unreal experiences gained from unreal stories (games..whatever) is based on real human experiences. So actual experiences seem to blur into a fictitious reality otherwise we would not understand it at all. I advocate the real subjective experience, intead of the unreal because the unreal is a result of the real.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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         <title>Comment on Real Life in Unreality by cspice</title>
         <link>http://aspice.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/real-life-in-unreality/#comment-7</link>
         <description>It is interesting that you bring this up because I was recently thinking about the value of experiences that come from outside of the &amp;quot;real world&amp;quot;. The example that I was considering was virtual worlds. Already there are some people who might be said to live more of their lives in World of Warcraft than in the real world. We can only expect that in the future there will be more people like this. And it is interesting to notice that these artificial worlds are not limited by the same issues of scarcity that we have in the real world. I am not comfortable with the idea of abandoning myself to a virtual reality. Perhaps someday that aversion will seem quaint. But some interesting and scary questions come up. Like what if your soulmate didn&amp;#039;t exist in the real world, but could be constructed as an artificially intelligent being in a virtual world. You might fall in love with a computer program. It feels wrong, but aren&amp;#039;t we all just robotic battleships for our genes anyway?</description>
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         <pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting that you bring this up because I was recently thinking about the value of experiences that come from outside of the &#8220;real world&#8221;. The example that I was considering was virtual worlds. Already there are some people who might be said to live more of their lives in World of Warcraft than in the real world. We can only expect that in the future there will be more people like this. And it is interesting to notice that these artificial worlds are not limited by the same issues of scarcity that we have in the real world. I am not comfortable with the idea of abandoning myself to a virtual reality. Perhaps someday that aversion will seem quaint. But some interesting and scary questions come up. Like what if your soulmate didn&#8217;t exist in the real world, but could be constructed as an artificially intelligent being in a virtual world. You might fall in love with a computer program. It feels wrong, but aren&#8217;t we all just robotic battleships for our genes anyway?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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         <title>Comment on A Principled, Inspired Academy by cspice</title>
         <link>http://aspice.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/a-principled-inspired-academy/#comment-6</link>
         <description>mspice: There are two sides to your question
1. How to keep students principled
2. How to keep professors principled

When it comes to students, it is mostly a matter of admiting only those students who are more interested in learning than in getting a job. This would probably be somewhat automatic until the academy gained a reputation on par with a normal university, since the academy&amp;#039;s degrees wouldn&amp;#039;t be helpful for getting a job until then. After that stage, you would have to be more careful about cases like bspice pointed out where students claim to prefer learning, but actually just want to get into the academy for financial reasons. One solution is to not grant any degrees or issue any publicly accessible grades. Then employers would not be able to use the academy to screen employees. (On a side note, what do you think should be done about grades anyway?)

As for professors, again the solution is to setup the proper incentive structure, perhaps along the lines of the one I laid out in my article on Academic Incentive Structures. In short, professors have to pay for their own research or collect donations themselves, and they are paid according to their performance on course reviews by students. In this way, each professor basically runs their own pedagogy business and the university simply acts as a framework in which many businesses are supported. I would suspect that the attitude toward research under these conditions would make it seem more like a hobby or an aid to pedagogy. A professor who cared more about research and neglected his students wouldn&amp;#039;t make much money and would probably feel ostracized by the department.

I think this sounds like a sustainable environment as long as the financing works out. But that may be an issue if there is no financial incentive behind it. People&amp;#039;s parents aren&amp;#039;t going to shell out huge tuition fees for an academy that won&amp;#039;t directly help their child get a job. I still think there would be a market for it, but probably a relatively small one. I can see it being successful for night and weekend classes, basically as a form of entertainment. The problem is that the market is going to encourage it toward more simple topics and then it will end up being like a community college.

It is really tough to fight the market, which is basically what we are trying to do. That is why I think it is going to be hard to make this work the way we want it to until we make a lot of money by other means and use it to support these goals (the &amp;quot;Getty Center method&amp;quot;).</description>
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         <pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 03:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mspice: There are two sides to your question<br />
1. How to keep students principled<br />
2. How to keep professors principled</p>
<p>When it comes to students, it is mostly a matter of admiting only those students who are more interested in learning than in getting a job. This would probably be somewhat automatic until the academy gained a reputation on par with a normal university, since the academy&#8217;s degrees wouldn&#8217;t be helpful for getting a job until then. After that stage, you would have to be more careful about cases like bspice pointed out where students claim to prefer learning, but actually just want to get into the academy for financial reasons. One solution is to not grant any degrees or issue any publicly accessible grades. Then employers would not be able to use the academy to screen employees. (On a side note, what do you think should be done about grades anyway?)</p>
<p>As for professors, again the solution is to setup the proper incentive structure, perhaps along the lines of the one I laid out in my article on Academic Incentive Structures. In short, professors have to pay for their own research or collect donations themselves, and they are paid according to their performance on course reviews by students. In this way, each professor basically runs their own pedagogy business and the university simply acts as a framework in which many businesses are supported. I would suspect that the attitude toward research under these conditions would make it seem more like a hobby or an aid to pedagogy. A professor who cared more about research and neglected his students wouldn&#8217;t make much money and would probably feel ostracized by the department.</p>
<p>I think this sounds like a sustainable environment as long as the financing works out. But that may be an issue if there is no financial incentive behind it. People&#8217;s parents aren&#8217;t going to shell out huge tuition fees for an academy that won&#8217;t directly help their child get a job. I still think there would be a market for it, but probably a relatively small one. I can see it being successful for night and weekend classes, basically as a form of entertainment. The problem is that the market is going to encourage it toward more simple topics and then it will end up being like a community college.</p>
<p>It is really tough to fight the market, which is basically what we are trying to do. That is why I think it is going to be hard to make this work the way we want it to until we make a lot of money by other means and use it to support these goals (the &#8220;Getty Center method&#8221;).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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         <title>Comment on A Principled, Inspired Academy by mspice</title>
         <link>http://aspice.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/a-principled-inspired-academy/#comment-5</link>
         <description>some would say this is simply what a normal university is (minus the coercive form of funding from taxes if it is public). how does one keep the principle, inspired academy from degrading into what we are experiencing in grad school?</description>
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         <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some would say this is simply what a normal university is (minus the coercive form of funding from taxes if it is public). how does one keep the principle, inspired academy from degrading into what we are experiencing in grad school?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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         <title>Comment on A Principled, Inspired Academy by bspice</title>
         <link>http://aspice.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/a-principled-inspired-academy/#comment-4</link>
         <description>In high school, this is what I figured college would be.  When I was an undergrad, I realized it wasn&amp;#039;t quite like that, and I figured graduate school would be better.  When I became a graduate student, I realized it wasn&amp;#039;t really quite like this either.  It is too bad that the &amp;quot;need for a job&amp;quot; ruins the potential that college has.  Do you think &amp;quot;better schools&amp;quot; are more like this?

In response to cspice, I think entrance exams could still be somewhat necessary too.  If you are truly enthusiastic about learning something, you will know some of it.  People will claim to want to learn things without really wanting to.</description>
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         <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In high school, this is what I figured college would be.  When I was an undergrad, I realized it wasn&#8217;t quite like that, and I figured graduate school would be better.  When I became a graduate student, I realized it wasn&#8217;t really quite like this either.  It is too bad that the &#8220;need for a job&#8221; ruins the potential that college has.  Do you think &#8220;better schools&#8221; are more like this?</p>
<p>In response to cspice, I think entrance exams could still be somewhat necessary too.  If you are truly enthusiastic about learning something, you will know some of it.  People will claim to want to learn things without really wanting to.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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         <title>Comment on A Principled, Inspired Academy by cspice</title>
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         <description>I guess if the academy didn&amp;#039;t grant degrees, then it wouldn&amp;#039;t have to worry about getting populated with students who were less passionate about learning. Only the most curious students would join an academy that was only for the sake of learning. The incentive system provides the most effective type of filter. It would be much more effective than entrance exams for example. What are your ideas on how to bootstrap the academy?</description>
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         <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess if the academy didn&#8217;t grant degrees, then it wouldn&#8217;t have to worry about getting populated with students who were less passionate about learning. Only the most curious students would join an academy that was only for the sake of learning. The incentive system provides the most effective type of filter. It would be much more effective than entrance exams for example. What are your ideas on how to bootstrap the academy?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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         <title>Comment on Spiciness of Life by cspice</title>
         <link>http://aspice.wordpress.com/2008/07/13/spiciness-of-life/#comment-2</link>
         <description>This is a good overview of the core concepts with some nice attention to detail. I like how you point out that humanitarianism is not inconsistent with the philosophy. I get frustrated when Objectivists claim that you should override your natural tendencies towards helping others. I want to hear some of your thoughts on the upcoming spicy lifestyle organization, perhaps in your next post.</description>
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         <pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 04:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good overview of the core concepts with some nice attention to detail. I like how you point out that humanitarianism is not inconsistent with the philosophy. I get frustrated when Objectivists claim that you should override your natural tendencies towards helping others. I want to hear some of your thoughts on the upcoming spicy lifestyle organization, perhaps in your next post.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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