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2011-11-09T16:31:00.001-08:00

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From: Mike R

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Subject: How Geo engineering And The Aerosol Spraying Of Our Skies Affects Our Health

How Geo engineering And The Aerosol Spraying Of Our Skies Affects Our Health

For decades, governments and scientists worldwide have been denying the existence of discreet operations which (for various reasons) use military aircrafts to spray our skies with chemical toxins. Such operations have often been dismissed as conspiracy theories, or in many cases a misinterpretation of condensation trails (contrails). Governments are now finally admitting that geo engineering is a reality and have stated that despite any detrimental effects to our health, will continue these operations indefinitely.
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They've been called Chem trails, aerial spraying, aerosol emissions, cirrus clouds, among many other terms. The largest reports come from Canada and U.S. but it happens all over the world including countries such as France, Germany, New Zealand, Australia, the United Kingdom among many others. If you live in these countries, just look above you as you'll see them at some point throughout day or week. Often these jets leave just a thick wisp of a trail or they leave a long line of dashed trails across the whole sky. Are they turning their engines off and on? And so frequently? And why the "X's" which have been observed and documented all over the world? There are thousands of photos on the web of these patterns.

The federal laws in almost every nation on earth do not allow commercial aircraft to cross flight paths so close and so quickly. These jets are therefore under military control. And what about the prismatic colors often observed in the resultant aerosol haze illuminated by sunlight?

If the haze was primarily water vapor, carbon monoxide and negligible amounts of hydrocarbons, the prismatic colors would essentially be that of a rainbow. But, instead it is either magenta and green or broad bands of orange and yellow. All elements through which sunlight passes give a signature color which is totally unique to that element. Through spectroscopy a number of heavy metals have been shown to be ever-present in our breathable atmosphere. All heavy metals, as you may know, cause the dementia symptoms associated with Alzheimer's Syndrome.

One purpose which is now well documented according to researchers, is to manipulate the weather. Karsten Brandt, German meteorologist states, "The Federal Army is Manipulating the Meteorological maps."

The disruption of radar signals is the main purpose theorizes Mr. Brandt in the interview. "I was surprised that this artificial cloud was so wide-spread. The radar images are stunning considering the needed tons of dispersed elements - although, the federal army claims that only small amounts of material were propagated. The military heads claim that the substances used are not harmful."

Johannes Remmel, German Green party representative states, "The government must provide explanations to the unsuspecting population." While radar is tracking suspicious aircraft, the Germany Military then uses counterfeit satellite imagery to hide their operations.

Since Chem trails are so widespread across the world, it is easy to rule out the idea that this is just military performing operations to disrupt radar signals as part of some sort of drill.

The forefront of these operations in the United States appears to be the US Navy, as detailed in "Death in the Air: Globalism, Terrorism & Toxic Warfare," by Dr. Len Horowitz. Many government watchdogs claim global depopulation, the targeted reduction of the world's population by two-thirds, is secretly the reason behind Chem trail spraying.

Chem trails differ from ordinary contrails in that they hang in the sky for hours and are often observed to be emitted from planes that fly crisis-cross routes, leading to the formation of ‘X’ and grid-like patterns in the sky. Chem trails also directly affect localized weather by turning a clear blue sky into a hazy overcast.

Last year, a KSLA news investigation found that a substance that fell to earth from a high altitude Chem trail contained high levels of Barium (6.8 ppm) and Lead (8.2 ppm) as well as trace amounts of other chemicals including arsenic, chromium, cadmium, selenium and silver. Of these, all but one are metals, some are toxic while several are rarely or never found in nature. The newscast focuses on Barium, which its research shows is a “hallmark of Chem trails.” KSLA found Barium levels in its samples at 6.8 ppm or “more than six times the toxic level set by the EPA.”

KSLA also asked Mark Ryan, Director of the Poison Control Center, about the effects of Barium on the human body. Ryan commented that “short term exposure can lead to anything from stomach to chest pains and that long term exposure causes blood pressure problems.” The Poison Control Center further reported that long-term exposure, as with any harmful substance, would contribute to weakening the immune system, which many speculate is the purpose of such man-made chemical trails.

Indeed, barium oxide has cropped up repeatedly as a contaminant from suspected geo engineering experimentation.
Barium causes asthma, which has reached epidemic proportions across the world. It is also a powerful immune suppressant. In the barium mines the workers all have what's called baritosis, a special type of asthma, which surprisingly is worse on the weekend when they're not in the mines working. It gets better when they return to work. Did you also realize that we have a flu season every year and that it can last over 8 to 9 months? The incidence of allergies have risen so much that pharmaceutical companies' profits have tripled on their allergy medications and it can only be coincidence that those rise in profits also mirror the rise in aerosol operations which began in earnest in the fall of 1998.

Weather Modification may adversely impact agricultural crops and water supplies. If the weather is changed in one state, region or county it may have severe consequences in another region, state or county. And who is going to decide the type of weather modification experimentation and who it will benefit or adversely impact?
Artificial weather modification can impact all of us by reducing water supplies, changing agricultural crop production cycles, reducing crop production, and water availability. Since most experimental weather modification programs use chemicals released into the atmosphere the public could be subjected increasingly toxic or unknown substances that could adversely impact agricultural crops and trees.

Global dimming and persistent Chem trails that produce man-made clouds may have serious impacts on crop production. A recent corn crop study in Illinois shows that cloud cover reduces corn crop production while direct sunlight increases production. In addition, increasing man-made clouds may reduce the effectiveness of solar panels.

Gil Smolin, an Avian Bird Flu expert, noted on the Ron Owens Show on KGO Radio (January 5, 2006), that the flu was spread more quickly in the winter when there was a "lack of sunlight". Would man-made clouds be contributing to the lack of sunlight which might cause the Avian Bird flu to spread more quickly at other times of the year? Experimental weather modification programs could also exacerbate this problem by changing climate patterns and our weather.

In 2007, Rosalind Peterson, lifelong California resident, was invited by to address the United Nations Conference during both a workshop, held on September 5th, and a round-table session, held on September 6, 2007. Rosalind was invited to address this conference due to her research and work in the agriculture field relating to climate change, global dimming, and the effects of man-made clouds and experimental weather modification programs on agriculture. Rosalind is co-founder and President of the Agriculture Defense Coalition. Excerpts of her speech included the following:
International weather modification companies are modifying our weather with programs that cover thousands of square miles. Most of these programs use toxic chemicals or particulates to alter the weather with either ground-based or airborne releases that change or modify our local micro-climates.
Micro-climates
One of the things I am concerned about and that we need to address, now and in the future, is how these programs are affecting the micro-climates needed for our crops to survive and for pollination to take place.
If we artificially change the growing seasons, our pollinators like bees and birds (many now in sharp decline across the United States), may not survive, leaving many flowers, native plants, agricultural and trees crops that are not pollinated. Native grasses, plants, trees, and agricultural losses could be devastated not only in the United States but on a worldwide basis.
"Mitigation"
The "mitigation" drumbeat heard everywhere sounds impressive. However, these undefined measures may be detrimental to human health, crop production, soils, and drinking water supplies. It is now necessary to define what is meant by mitigation and to place all of these measures under congressional, agriculture, and public oversight. We do not want to place ourselves in the position of making huge mistakes by trading one pollution problem for another more serious problem.

The following example reflects a "monetary mitigation" agreement that allows polluters to purchase the ability to pollute more: (SF Chronicle - September 2007 - California makes deal with ConocoPhillips so that it can expand its refinery in the San Francisco Bay Area while paying the State of California $10 Million total so that it can release an additional 500,000 tons of pollutants from their Rodeo, CA, facility. In addition, their proposed expansion agreement would add one million tons a year of carbon dioxide from another facility that currently releases yearly 1.9 million tons a year.

This expansion also increases the amounts of nitrogen oxides, sulfur dioxide, soot and other pollutants that will be emitted when the facility expansion is completed.
Geo-engineering Schemes
Geo-engineering schemes, many developed to place chemicals, salt or other particulates into our atmosphere to control global warming, are waiting in the wings to be implemented or have already been implemented. The release of chemicals or particulates, like highly polluting sulfur, are now being discussed at NASA Ames (November 2006 Geo-engineering Meetings), and by many scientists worldwide waiting in the wings for funding.

These chemicals and particulates are being proposed so that the amount of direct sunlight reaching the earth is reduced in order to cool the planet. What is not being discussed, for example, is that California in 2006, took highly polluting sulfur out of diesel fuel due to asthma and other environmental problems. Now there are proposals to place sulfur back into our atmosphere to reduce global warming.

Where is the discussion about environmental, agriculture, and human health declines from this proposal? What about public and congressional oversight of these proposed programs? No public oversight, hearings or regulations are being proposed that would protect agriculture or public health. The actions of placing chemicals into our atmosphere is certainly going to have negative effects on crop production and tree health. And if you place in our skies chemicals to reduce the amount of sunlight reaching the earth, you are going to reduce the photosynthesis needed for crop production.

In order to produce crops and for plants and trees to grow and thrive they need direct sunlight. A recent corn crop study at the University of Illinois shows that increased cloud cover reduces corn crop production while direct sunlight increases production. Photosynthesis is the process where plants and trees gain the energy to grow and produce crops.

If we "mitigate" to reduce the amount of sunlight reaching the earth, negatively affecting crop production not only in the United States but worldwide, we could put the world in a food shortage crisis.

Two experiments are now believed to be reducing crop production in the United States:

Micro-climate shifts caused by experimental weather modification programs and,
a lack of photosynthesis cause by persistent jet contrails that produce (according to NASA), man-made clouds that change our climate. (Solar voltaic panels are beginning to produce less power due to these experiments.)

Man-made Clouds
NASA noted in an October 2005 newsletter, and from other study results, notes that increasingly persistent contrails are turning into man-made clouds that are ".trapping warmth in the atmosphere and exacerbating global warming." NASA goes on to note that: ".Any increase in global cloud cover will contribute to long-term changes in Earth's climate. Likewise, any change in Earth's climate may have effects on natural resources." (The Power Point Presentation begins at this point in Rosalind's presentation.)

Jets leaving persistent jet contrails are changing our climate to the degree that one jet leaving a persistent jet contrail has the following affect according to NASA's Patrick Minnis (February 2007): ".We had found that (jet) contrails were producing much more cloud cover than we ever thought they did. This one particular aircraft produced a contrail that covered an area of four thousand square kilometers and lingered for six hours. But we also found that there were contrails covering much larger areas and lasting more than twenty hours."

Dr. Wayne Evans, Atmospheric Scientist: ".You see the two contrails forming cirrus clouds. While most natural clouds actually reflect more sunlight back into space than they supply infrared heat energy towards the earth. However, cirrus clouds are different. They actually radiate more heat energy than they reflect solar energy back into space. Therefore, cirrus clouds contribute to global warming."

The picture up on the screen shows just one jet leaving a persistent jet contrail - that one trail can expand to cover an area of four thousand square kilometers and linger for more than twenty hours. This phenomenon was unheard of in the early fifties, sixties and seventies. It was not until the late 1980s that there was a huge change and people began to see the first persistent jet contrails that persist like we see today on a massive scale.

NASA studies show that climate change and global warming problems could be attributed to these types of persistent jet contrails and that jets cause them to form in our once clear blue skies. One of the issues needed to be addressed as we go forward is: "HOW DO YOU LIKE YOUR SKIES.NATURAL OR MAN-MADE?" And right now we are making manmade clouds like the ones you see up on the screen. And these man-made clouds are trapping warmth in our atmosphere. Isn't it time that all of us addressed this global warming issue?

Chemical Atmospheric Heating and Testing Programs
There are also other experiments taking place in our atmosphere. The colors in this man-made cloud photograph in Mendocino County, CA, shows just one of many experiments. These colors represent a chemical reaction produced by experiments conducted by NASA and the United States Air Force. They are sending up canisters loaded with toxic chemicals designed to explode when superheated in order to conduct atmospheric and ionosphere experimental tests.

Some persistent jet contrails and man-made clouds, I believe, allow scientists to observe the results of these tests from either satellites or ground-based observation platforms. Without man-made clouds these tests could not be observed, as the chemicals would not produce a visible marker.

The NASA / U.S. Air Force CRESS 1990 Press Kit outlines an atmospheric NASA testing program (linked to H.A.A.R.P. and the U.S. Air Force, that could produce 4 the Vibrant Spectrums (auroras), referenced above, as shown in my poster pictures. In this program canisters are loaded with chemicals and superheated at different atmospheric levels. These canisters contain the following chemicals that could be polluting our air and are showing up with unusual spikes in drinking water supplies in across California (California State Department of Health, Drinking Water Division Water Test Results- Public Records, Sacramento, California), and Arizona:

In briefing notes published in May 2008 from the Council of Foreign Relations (CFRs) Geo engineering: Workshop on Unilateral Planetary Scale Geo engineering, the elite internationalist group lays out the exact same radical ideas now being touted by the Obama administration.

The following excerpts are taken from the document:

Geo engineering Strategies

Among all geo engineering schemes, those currently considered most feasible involve increasing the planetary albedo, that is, reflecting more sunlight back into space before it can be absorbed. There are a number of different methods that could be used to increase the planet’s reflectivity:

1. Add more small reflecting particles in the upper part of the atmosphere (the stratosphere which is located between 15 and 50 kilometers above the Earth’s surface).

2. Add more clouds in the lower part of the atmosphere (the troposphere)

3. Place various kinds of reflecting objects in space either near the earth or at a stable location between the earth and the sun.

4. Change large portions of the planet’s land cover from things that are dark (absorbing) such as trees to things that are light (reflecting) such as open snow cover or grasses.

Stratospheric Aerosols that might be engineered to migrate to particular regions (e.g. over the arctic) or to rise above the stratosphere (so as not to interfere in stratospheric chemistry).

Adding more of the right kind of fine particles to the stratosphere can increase the amount of sunlight that is reflected back into space.

Applied to geo engineering, various technologies could be used to loft particles into the stratosphere, such as naval guns, rockets, hot air balloons or blimps, or a fleet of highflying aircraft. Potential types of particles for injection include sulfur dioxide, aluminum oxide dust or even designer self-levitating aerosols.

A CFR geo-engineering meeting summary document from 1999 (PDF pages 12,13,14) also categorically states that the ultimate goal under “A technology strategy for global warming” is the implementation of a global Carbon Tax.
An valuable file folder is available containing 8 PDF's, all published by the CFR, and all concerning their Geo-Engineering Program.

An excellent new video summarizing concerns about Chem trails entitled Geo engineering and Eugenics has just been released by Media Rival Productions. This footage shows huge windowless airplanes dispersing Chem trails, as well as aircraft that appear to turn chem trail emissions on and off in mid-flight. The fact that something is being deliberately dispersed is clear from the video and cannot be confused with crop-dusting which is done by light aircraft at low altitudes.

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2011-05-28T18:43:00.001-07:00

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Comments in reply to

Stephen Black's Testimony (from around Date: 97-06-01 06:19:53 EDT)

^i^ While trying to find Stephen Black, to see if he would send promised information concerning the founders of Exodus International, I happened on his website and his testimony. It is typed in bold below and as usual my comments will have the little angel ^i^ at the beginning. Here goes:

That is how my reply to Stephen Black starts that he refers to in the email below he sent me a couple days ago. The date was a long time ago based on the other link above of the two. Two links above are the two correspondences I was having with Stephen that are on my website. I make no holds on my comments and they are for my ministry in response to anti-gays anywhere and everywhere. Why Stephen took 14 ½ years to tell me to take his testimony off my website will never know. However it was not a simple copy of his testimony, but a breakdown line by line with my comments.

Odd things is was that link was broken so no one could see it for who knows how long. Thanks to Stephen’s email to me I fixed the link. What homophobes say is very very very important to anyone calling themselves Christian as to how they arrive at their concepts about gays. Ex-gays generally should be proud of the testimony of getting delivered as they believe. What’s more Stephan was a leader in the ex-gay ministry. (By the way Stephen, I have off and on contacts with people in 1^st Stone, God is great and gives me much inside info at times).

As you read the 1^st paragraph of my reply to Stephen’s testimony I was asking him for info he promised to send me which he never did. (By the way I talk time to time with the founders of Exodus for the last couple years, I think from the horse’s mouth it is a no brainer who founded that organization).

Also, never have I banned ex-gays or any homophobes from freely posting to any of my sites. In fact I would love to hear from them Stephan for sure if you have whinings of my responses to you, then freely reply back or post to my sites. But don’t wait 14 years this time. If you don’t want people to see your testimony don’t put it on a public accessible site. It is amazing to hear any Christian say they don’t want someone to see their testimony. You are Executive Director, can you imagine and you don’t want people to know how your walk with Jesus began and being ex-gay all the more you would want your message out there. What an opportunity in Christ you have to rebut my comments and to explain deeper what you were meaning in your OLD testimony, you may want to update it or refresh it as these many years go by. Rewording areas that as you re-read your past writing and see you could have explain it better or missed something important or take something out. But what did you do? You out of the blue say I don’t have permission????? You don’t have permission to lie about gays and you are a public figure using the Bible to condemn gays and not answering questions as to the facts about the Bible and history and more. Again, you are very welcome to my sites to make as many comments as you like. I bet if any gays come to your 1^st Stone site you would ban them or delete anything they say.

From: Stephen Black [mailto:stephen@firststone.org]
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 9:37 PM
To: stablesministries@gays4jesus.com
Subject: Contact The Stables Ministries for any reason

You do not have permission to post my testimony on your web site. Please remove it.

Sincerely in the King's Love and Service,

Stephen Black

Executive Director

First Stone Ministries

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stephen@firststone.org

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sprinkle888 You cannot find no scripture in God's holy bible that he condone homosexuality

2011-05-23T10:31:00.001-07:00

sprinkle888

Comment on your video: Gay Pentecostal Faith Healing Ministries

You cannot find no scripture in God's holy bible that he condone homosexuality, I don't even need to argue with you on this. Sir you need to read what will take place on judgment day when the wicked and commandment brakers and those that deny God. Revelation 20: 11 to 15 The White Throne Judgement. Satan is the ruler of this world, so as that said gays are having there time now; but not in the after life when the Church is caught up, gays will not be caught up in the rapture.

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Homophobe ate ant about checking out a person they want to condemn. Even if the homophobe truly believes gay is sin, they still can take a little time to see something about who they are condemning. Here on YouTube I have lots of videos and info that links to my website including my 24/7 non-stop running of my TV programs.

Quickly the homophobe, i.e. sprinkle888, will see I have been in the Assemblies of God since 1974 and my ministries statement of faith is the same as theirs. So I been around a while and have done more than my share of homework on this issue.

Concerning the Bible there are 14 verses http://gays4jesus.com/14verses.html used (probably just 4 regularly, the rest almost n ever) and so this should be easy to study. Paul was in Corinth when he wrote Romans. I recently preach at the temple of Aphrodite on top of Acrocorinth which is in view of Ancient Corinth where I preached at the Temple of Apollo. Paul saw every day the la where many believed had over 1000 temple prostitutes. Missing in Paul’s day is records of Paul seeing gays. So the question is how do you get “male temple prostitutes” to mean gays are condemned. Str8s went to the temples ritual orgies and included were Hebrews and this was Paul’s writings.

Furthermore there is history of Christian writers using arsenokoites 56 times including and since Paul for the next 500 plus years. Greeks used arsenokoites 76 times almost trough the 15^th century 76 times. Never any hint in their writings to gays. These are not lost writings and really not that hard to find. It is not wishful thinking. It means Christians did not condemn gays until the 13^th or so. Documentation exists showing the Vatican invented the anti-gay doctrine to purge leaders out of office that did not agree with the influential Catholic elite. If you think the Bible condemns gays explain how it does. Bible marriage was mostly a business deal between family heads and not the choice of the couple getting married, so for sure we are not getting married per Bible these days. Fact is marriage as we know it today id direct from pagan fertility worship rites of the 12^th century.

Concerning Rev. 20 this book explains there is only TWO risings of the dead. One is one it says don’t be a part of because it is eternity away from Christ. The other are those that kept the faith but died and so are risen before Jesus returns. The Church wants a pre-trib Rapture and so the dead in Christ must rise first. Rev. 20 explain there are only two risings. A pre-trib rising means a 3^rd rising of the dead which the Bible told us there are only TWO.

Rev. 11:18 tells us the rising of the living believers takes place. The TWO WITNESSES had been killed already. This in itself forces the Rapture to be at least 1260 days after the trib started. We don’t know the time of the Rapture, but the Bible says we will know the season. The closer we get the closer that narrows down. When the Trib begins we can know it is at least 1260 days away. But 1335 days are mention for this same time setting. This fits that 1260 days pass and 75 days remain and so anytime in that 75 days can be the Rapture. Here is another clue, it is the when antichrist declares himself gad he will also initiate the start of the mark. At best 75 days could wipe out people that cannot buy food and is time to run out of what food one has. Those saving up for such a time has backgrounds that may not include John 3:16.

The TWO Witnesses are killed 3 days later they are seen to rise by everyone. The Bible says there is someone that needs to die and is the last one that needs to die before the rising of the dead. This is not saying other won’t continue to be killed (billion still left and so killing never stops) but there is a last to die person to get the rising of the dead going. I am nearly positive it is the TWO Witnesses that needs to be that last to die hence the rising of the dead begins. Now, there is not an instant Rapture because the dead rose, the dead were just to rise first. Now, after those 1260 days of the TWO Witnesses’ ministry a time that was prepared to get Christians dressed in their wedding gowns that current do not fit because we are so filthy and got false doctrines and do not love one another and cultures and customs and traditions that make our wedding gowns not fit. 1260 days will get us to be able to fit into our wedding gown. Jesus is not going to wait to get married to us, zap were in Heaven getting married, Jesus waited plenty long enough so we need out wedding gowns on or as the Bible say you will be tossed out in to utter darkness where there will be gnashing of teeth.

Now Christian keep being killed the rest of the trib, most has to be new borns or those that did not get ready or never quite accepted Jesus and now know it was all true. If they die/are killed they simply sleep for 1000 years and then the book of life opened and so they get their spirit body then. Non-believers will all be killed and they also sleep for 1000 years but to a different fate. Two people escape the 1000 year sleep and that is antichrist and the false prophet. They are tossed into the lake of fire then and there. There new job is 1000 years of training to teach the billions that will join them then.

Keep in mind when you tell a Christian they aren’t saved that is pretty dangerous ground because you deny the WORK of Christ on the Cross. It is an open and shut case when comparing str8 Christians to gay Christians. There is really no differences (except gays has to put up with homophobes like yourself). Salvation means you believe God that Jesus is his Son (this is possible because the Holy Spirit drew you to this conclusion and you accepted it). Believing in your heart then telling someone it the all you need. Homophobes especially want to add their concept of repentance. They think gay must become str8 and that proves they repented. Or they must abstain from sex altogether and some homophobes accept that as proof enough. Homophobe have no ability to step back and see what they ask. You are a happy str8 and love str8 sex and in yourself believe there is no threat to you needing to stop str8 sex with your spouse. But that is what you push onto gays. You want me who has been married for 22 years to my gay lover to stop sex and go out find a woman to start having sex with or to just never have sex again. Even the Bible tells us that a married couple should not stop sex for very long so they can pray and fast including no sex with spouse. The Bible says satan will tempt you and you may go have sex with someone else. Yet it is easy for you to tell gays to stop.

If a gay claim Jesus then that gay person will have a WALK with Christ. Walking with Jesus leaves a trail that can be detected. Could be many miracles, answered prayer, always a 180 degree turn from how they were living. Life changes takes place, you stopped doing many things. (note: stopping because it is from God in your heart is one thing, but too often others tell you to stop something because they think its sin and it might not be). What I am saying is I have since 1974 walked with Jesus that means I have a testimony in Christ. I have had 3 major instant dramatic physical healings as I specifically ask in Jesus name to be healed and I saw and felt that healing dramatically. Once I visually saw the holy Spirit pour from the north and at my location fell on me and I was healed amazingly. I can go on for days non-stop about my walk with Jesus. I preached TV programs in over 10 countries and at least one person in all the countries has seen my TV program. I run my programs 24/7 online seen on my website. Doing TV programs since 1985 I came across many things needing Jesus and so if you think Jesus is not with me when I have to face people like you and many times worse then what is the matter with you that you cannot discern Jesus? I offer challenges to any church where I can give account of my faith in Jesus Christ. I also know beyond doubt is a setting of a Church Jesus will be with me showing homophobes he is with me.

You are right gays are having their time now. Homophobes had their time for 700 years. In 1967 God began restoring gays in the Body of Christ in the Catholic Church (Dignity) in 1968 God started in the Protestant Church (Metropolitan Community Church) In 1969 God started with secular gays, (Stonewall). In recent times with Pentecostal gays. I was the first in in Christian chat rooms. I saw no other gays of secular or Christian in any Christian chat room for years. I had my screen name gays4jesus in many chat rooms and not a day went by that the room had to deal with me an openly gay Pentecostal and TV preacher. I do not want to boast but guarantee you no matter how you search I was the first and I still go to these rooms, yet I do not do like you I do not condemn them I tell them what I know about the verses and the fact in life also about the Last Days. Can you keep a sound mind with over 1 million homophobes condemning many extremely. How would you like being told you are not saved.

There are several verses very much about gays in the Bible. As I said earlier marriage is not like today back then. Wives were property and slaves by the Greek words of Bible verses and the Greek language. People did not just say “my wife” The Greek words or the Bible and Hebrew in the OT (similar) talked in the wording of slave/property in the spoken sentence. Using this you can find gay married couples. They went through the legal Jewish customs of families arranging marriages. For gay sons it was the same type arrangements. I Bible days and in any ancient days there was no social security yet so most gays also married for children. Sons and daughters were their social security. History proves many past famous secular proven gay leaders were married also to wom(e)n for retire security. History shows them never engage for love and sex with the wives except to have offspring. History shows these men were very much in love and had sex with their male lover.

The Bible does show evil gay person, though not really gay they were bisexual. Absalom was extremely attractive in which he purposely used for gaining power and support to take control of Jerusalem. He didn’t mind if it were female or male so long as it got him more support.

http://www.gaychristian101.com/Romans-1.html is a good website to actually see much documentation on biblical facts showing gay is not sin.

Obedience is to Believe God

2011-05-17T17:51:00.001-07:00

Hi John from ronv11
So You think the seven different versions of 1Corinthians 6:9 are "satan counterfeits" The seven (7) different versions specifically states that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. I can only go by what I read in the bible, nothing else. Even in the King James Bible 1 Corinthians 7:2 states

Gays4jesus: You still are not listening I said all modern versions come from the corrupt manuscripts of Westcott and Hort. I wish you would read what I wrote you. Now if you are going to just read a verse from any Bible and just assume it is as you understand the words you read then you certainly are not reading the Bible. The Bible was written originally in the that 1st hundred years after Jesus Rose. In the 2^nd century two sets of manuscripts were copied in the Latin Vulgate. One set was the corrupt version the other was direct from the original. The corrupt version was then lost/hidden or otherwise not used until the 15^th century when it was found and was made the official Catholic Bible source. The Received Text as it is called, was in constant use until King James authorized the KJV and because the printing press was now available became cheap and accessible for everyone to buy. This helped in cause the other good Bible of the day to fade out of use. Today you don’t find them on books shelves unless you hunt for collectors or places that may sell them.

In the 1880s Westcortt and Hort took the corrupt version and translated into a strange Greek rendering then translated it to English and their influence (Westcott being on the board to revise the Bible) got their entire version to be the Official Bible of the Church of England.

Now Westcott and Hort were not just Bible translators they also (especially Westcott) into the occult and started the Ghost Club. Membership in this club has become a mandatory requirement for anyone wanting to be in the elite of the coming one world government (antichrist’s kingdom). Modern version have 50,000 to 80,000 corruptions. These are not simple corruptions, but are specific mainly taking Christ out of Jesus. Set side by side with the KJV you will quickly see that the KJV seems an over kill on giving Jesus the Glory and being the Son of God and the Christ. It also goes to extremes on emphasizing Jesus love for us and his promises to us. Modern version have enough of it to deceive most Christians. Modern version is a major deception satan is using which would be useless if Israel was not a nation yet. Modern version can easily save people, but only after Israel became a nation was it possible for satan to begin adding other great deceptions. As we draw close to the tribulation deceptions will begin to convince many Christian to doubt the Bible. When they begin to look at their modern version it is very compatible with satans deceptions that will ultimately confirm that man over there is Jesus after all.

However, any version will do in studying the Bible since study should demand search original meanings. So in spite of the corrupt Bible you have you still can search and find the ancient Hebrew words and the ancient Greek words. It is important to use the ancient word meaning. If a modern Hebrew speaker went to the 1^st century they would be confused with the many words that has evolved in the past 2000 years. That is why the Bible was written 2000 years ago instead of today. In Jesus’ day was the most perfect time to get God’s message in writing for the New Testament and likewise the Old Testament centuries earlier. For you to say you just read 7 different versions that has a verse that may have the same word in your case “homosexual” does not make it the word that Paul wrote down 2000 years ago. Catamite and sodomite are not Greek words for gays. Modern versions often don’t even use these two words. Many modern version give one Greek word 2 unrelated meanings. They say homosexuals then say shrine prostitutes. The Greek word says as it were “shrine prostitutes” the word homosexual is just an addition the translator put in not from the Greek manuscript.

Again Paul saw fertility temples everywhere he turned in the place he wrote the words that today are used to condemn gays. Missing from you is the historic gays Paul saw that he was condemning according to you. You can search all you want and you will not find that Paul was talking about the local gays. To talk about the local gays Paul would have the historical fact we can find that he saw gays. The FACT is he saw fertility temples.

What you read already tells me that is your total source. Now tell me about your pastor’s sermons. How does he teach you? Does he read a verse then tell you what he think it means? Does he give you tons of sources to back up what he thinks it is saying. Does he show you original Greek. Why do you accept his outside the Bible research that teaches you what ancient meaning meant. But comes to gays all you do is tell me your read it in 7 versions.

The scariest part here is you have no clue about modern versions and so will soon see that man over there must Be Jesus after all. Tell me is it easy for you to know a counterfeit $20 bill? We have a brown marker at work, we draw a line on a bill, if that line changes it is a counterfeit bill. We also have something like a black light to hold a driver’s license over to see if it is a counterfeit license. Tell me how will you know that man over there is not Jesus if you do not know how to reveal the counterfeit in him? Today most church are already supporting anti-christ organization. I toured a Buddhist temple that was the state of the art a push of a button can make 8,000 more seats in the sanctuary area. The monk took me personally to explain their mission. They were working to join every religion for common prayer and good deeds throughout the world. Christianity was part of their efforts. They had headquarters in many major cities in the world. It was amazing how God was revealing to me a specific organization fulfilling prophecy about getting a one world religion. There are at least 5 major such other organizations doing the same things. The effort for a one world religion is well established, yet I am sure you do not have an idea what is going on after all you read it in 7 versions right?

Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Gays4jesus: King David and son Solomon had many hundreds of wives, all the patriarch also had many wives. The 1^st 1000 years of Christianity it was Christian legal to have concubines this was not made illegal till the 11^th century. Marriage today is base in fertility religion. There is no resemblance to today’s marriage and Jesus day marriages. Most marriages in Jesus day were for family profit. Meaning how does each family of each spouse make the most out of arranging the marriage. You just did not meet your spouse at Sunday school or a dance and a school days sweet heart. Today 60% of marriage end in divorce. It is also easy to paste a verse for instance what did the apostles says?

10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.

I would also suggest to you don’t fornicate, but don’t tell a gay couple like myself who has been with his partner for 22 years to avoid fornication. You accusations are disgustingly showing your lack of understanding of the gay community. You must think all gays are in a free fall orgy together. Real life shows str8 are the kings and queens of sexual immorality so clean your own house before you go to another’s house to clean.

You call me ( and others that don't agree with you) "a typical homophobe" The reason you stated I am a homophobe is
" I call you a homophone ( you misspelled the word, homophobe or thats a new word homophone) because in your 3 messages you have yet to explain how you get gays in the bible"
As I told you the dictionary ( dictionary .com ) defines a homophobe as :
ho·mo·phobe
[hoh-muh-fohb] Show IPA
--noun
a person who fears or hates homosexuals and homosexuality.
I do not fear or hate homosexuals. I do not have any bad feelings for gay people. It looks like it is easy for you to label others, that do not agree with you, but it is wrong! I would hope you know as a minister that labeling people is just wrong! You owe me an apology.

Gays4jesus: You do fear and do hate gays because you won’t explain how you get gays in the Bible. Just saying you read it tells me you don’t know what you are reading and flat out won’t spend a minute to find the ancient meanings of the Bible words so you would be able to show me how you got gays into a Bible word.

Nothing to do with disagreeing with you. Keep in mind I have been preaching on TV since 1985, before that I ran a multi-line BBS thing started my website. I been around, you just don’t care about what I know so you simple flat out reject what I say then you paste a verse and think you proved I was on thin ice like you are some expert on Bible words. You have a lot of fear because tons of info is available about gays. http://www.gaychristian101.com/Romans-1.html is a very good site to learn a lot about ancient time concerning the Bible and gays. I bet you have not gone to other links I gave you and you won’t go top this link. If you gave me a link and I did not go to it I would be still in 100% compliance with going to any link you gave me because I have gone to 1000s of similar links against gays. I have talk at length with 1000s maybe 10s of 1000s of homophobes from all countries and most major well know ministers. At least 1 million homophobes have expressed something to me since 1974. So I honestly can say I been to any link you can give me. I know with no reservations you are a homophobe. Tell me why you pastes a dictionary’s definition but you won’t give me the definition of Bible words you think means gay. Homophobes is yes the fear of gays, and what a lot of fear you have by not showing me how you get gays into the Bible.
If you noticed I have refrained from calling you names. I find it surprising that you have used words in your emails to me such as "stupidity" "stupid" and " "homophobe"
I think this speaks to your ideas, you label 7 different bible versions satan counterfeits and then resort to name calling. You do all of this to justify your own agenda.

Gays4jesus: homophobe is not name calling. Name calling to telling a saved person to get saved. You tell gays they are fornicators. Just because so far you don’t do like so many other is because I have maybe been too easy on you. Normally homophobes soon revert to horrible graphic sex acts depictions. Your statements says gays are going to hell with no hope in God. I say this about your statements because you expect gays to stop or change to str8. That is like telling you to stop being str8 and start gay sex. You just aren’t. Of course a very common thing about those that very strongly condemn gays they often are gays themselves. So are you a gay in the closet fighting God about your orientation?

I did not make up Westcott and Hort they are real people and you can get About 1,130,000 results (0.16 seconds) in a Google search on them. Is this what you call non-homophobe behavior when a gay tells you, you are reading counterfeit Bibles and gives you the names of the counterfeiters? Sounds pretty homophobic to me. You need to reject everything a gay says no matter how true it is.
I tell you all of this because I feel what you are doing is wrong. I can see you are an intelligent person, and unless you are fooling me, I think you care about people. How great it must be to travel the world and see the things you have seen. I don't know when the end time will come, but i can tell you todays world that I live in seem a mess, wars, false teaching, perversions, storms, new deadly viruses, sickness, lies and liars abound

Gays4jesus: Not interested in how you feel about me, I am interested in that you begin to realize you don’t get a free ride to Heaven. You must KEEP your faith till the end. 1260 days are set in stone to shake out of you every false doctrine, customs, traditions, and more. Huge numbers will turn from God. You are not wearing your wedding gown and it will take 1260 days for you to finally fit into it and so ne ready for the Rapture. 3 billion plus will die in your sight and you might be one of them which would be great if you still kept you faith. This time is about to pounce on the Church and most have no clue so it acts as a wake up call will you be caught sleeping just because a gay told you this?
I am no better, i too am a sinner, but I do have hope, the bible tells me that if I repent of my sins and believe in Jesus I will be saved.

Gays4jesus: Again, the repent I completely think you don’t know what it means. It like you are saying Jesus worked in vain. Sorry, But Jesus’ work on the Cross should have more meaning to your than to make you need to tell me if the Bible tells you to repent, frustrating it would be so nice to hear someone really loving Jesus than putting so much into works you can’t accomplish. If you imply to me I have not repented then all the more proof you are such a homophobe thinking only evidence about a gays salvation is them turning str8.
I have done both, I hope you and your readers do the same

Gays4jesus: Place you hope in Jesus not others, others will fail you and yet they are as saved as you are. Race for the finish line. It is you and Jesus. Not you me and Jesus or you your spouse and Jesus or you and others and Jesus (though we minister to them so the Holy Spirit can draw them to Christ of help them grow in Christ) Your job is you. Jesus died for you. Jesus’ hope is you. Believe he is the Son of God till the end is OBEDIANCE to God. Obedience is not the law of God or man but to believe God.
Ron

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Romv11 YouTube comment 1Cor. 6:9

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Romv11 YouTube comment

This is not right its a sign of the end times. How someone can have their head screwed on so wrong is beyond me. Most people do not hate gays, but it is sin.Being gay You are using your bodys in an unnatural way.

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romv11 made several comment on my video above which I responded to earlier. I wanted romv11 to explain how romv11 got gays into the Bible. romv11 does this below:

ronv11

Re: you are a typical homophobe ......more

Hi John
I am going to need some time to respond to all you wrote .
interesting how you start out your videos
You start out saying....."gay is not sin"
This is what i think every time I hear that
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousnes. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
God help save pity and defend us
Ron ( more cut and paste)

Sent to: gays4jesus

gays4jesus: Yes, at the start of all my TV from the first one to now I say “gay is not sin”. I have been doing this since my 1^st program in 1985. This is because GAY IS NOT SIN PERIOD. Saying “gay is not sin” is not saying gays have no sin. Often homophobe believe because gay might say gay is not sin that to them means they are saying gays do not sin.

Killing someone is sin, but because you never killed anyone does not you sin. I ask you why are you using 1 John 1:8 or 1 John 1:10 is not a way for you to defend you claim that gay is sin. The issue is not that gays are sinners just like all str8s, the issue is are any of the verses you use talking about gays and that is a resounding NO!

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So again explain how you get gays in the Bible

Hi John
you wrote " I would be very happy to go over verse by verse anything you think says gay is sin." can you please explain these 7 different versions of 1Corinthians 6 : 9 it seems you are on thin ice, in fact all the ice is gone, and you need to be saved . God help us all ( time is short repent while you can)
Ron

gays4jesus: Today there are maybe more than 100 versions. This issue is not about gays BUT ABOUT Bible versions, (all modern versions flat out are satan counterfeits. This different topic can be discussed if you like, but a simple study of Westcott and Hort can give you some basics. Thin ice? I want you to explain how arsenokoites means gays. FACT this word was used 76 times in a period from Paul to the 15^th century give or take a few years depending on your sources. By Christian writers it was used 56 times up to around 400-500 AD. This is not guessing and the full writing are available to read. No hint to gays were in Christian writings. Paul’s word though he modified it a little still is based on the Hebrew word qadesh. kaw-dashe'); from 6942; a (quasi) sacred person, i.e. (technically) a (male) devotee (by prostitution) to licentious idolatry: KJV—sodomite

When Paul wrote Romans he did so in the site of the Temple of Aphrodite. I was there a month ago in ancient Corinth and I did hike up the Acrocorinth hill to its top where that temple is located. Many sources say it had over 1000 temple prostitutes. Ancient Corinth had a huge temple of Apollo that could be seen anywhere in the city. I did a TV program from that temple too. All Paul could see as he wrote Romans from Corinth were fertility temples. Athens was the same story. I even preached from the spot Paul did from the statue of the unknown god. The Acropolis was about a 10 minute walk and I had it in my background as I did my program. Paul saw fertility temples everywhere when he wrote. Again I beg you tell me how he got gays from those temples? You can research those times and find gays, there were at least 9 Greek words for gays, Paul use the word for male temple prostitute. Even many modern version acknowledge this, but usually add a word that was not in the Bible. I 1850 at a USA clergy convention they discussed 1 Cor 6:9 and at that time it was taught masterbators would not inherit, they agreed heaven would be empty so who can they insert to take that place and gays were already being condemned for some 600 years so who would care. That is when 1 Cor 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:10 was added to the gay is sin false doctrine.

1. New KIng James Version gays4jesus: (Very very corrupt and is not from the KJV)
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
2. New Living Translation
Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality,
3. New International Version
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
4. English Standard Version
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality
5. New American Standard Bible
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
6. Young's Literal Translation
have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites, ( sexual intercourse involving anal or oral copulation.)
7. Textus Receptus (Greek)
ἢ οὐκ οἴδατε ὅτι ἄδικοι βασιλείαν θεοῦ οὐ κληρονομήσουσιν μὴ πλανᾶσθε οὔτε πόρνοι οὔτε εἰδωλολάτραι οὔτε μοιχοὶ οὔτε μαλακοὶ οὔτε ἀρσενοκοῖτα
(google translate )
oidate the essential injustice that kingdom of God lest my klironomήsousin deceived neither fornicators, nor adulterers, nor eidololάtrai not soft homosexual

Sent to: gays4jesus

gays4jesus: 733 arsenokoites (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace); from 730 and 2845; a sodomite: KJV-- abuser of (that defileself) with mankind.

I tend to prefer Strongs, generally widely accepted by Assemblies of God, though in the past couple of decades they have been turn to the NIV which is probably the most corrupt version. http://gays4jesus.com/HebrewGrammer.html is a link to show you the breakdown of the Hebrew and Greek on the verses used against gays. At least look at it. So many homophobes just reject anything if a gay person sent it , said it or referred to it. Homophobe only present studies done by other homophobes.

How can you even remotely be able to explain a verse if you are using Bible with 50,000 to 80,000 corruptions depending on the modern version you use. Westcott and Hort were not just Bible translators that got their entire translation to be the Official Church of England’s Bible (15^th century this corrupt version became the Catholics official Bible) Those insisting to use satan counterfeit Bibles should at least use the verse to search out the original Hebrew/Greek and not rely on modern dictionaries. As for Google it depends on your key word search and what of the 10s of 1000s of pages you select to use. Google I love because you can get to originals in anything. The Bible tells us in the endtimes we will have access to about all knowledge which we do, depends again on keyword searching. Bias is bias, but research has no limits except what the researcher sets. Knowledge and truth require seeking. You don’t get it with just a few minutes on Google.

http://gays4jesus.com/Books.htm has some books by Sylvia Pennington. I had her on my TV program a few times back in the 80s. She was the first to have best sellers on the gay issues of that day. She work in maybe the most well know ex-gay ministry ad she is an Assemblies of God woman. This was when you could count modern versions more easily. She actually put in her book most of the 39 or so versions for 1 Cor 6:9 in which none agreed to the verses meaning. Today there are who knows how many modern versions, but all coming from the same source “Westcott and Hort”.

600 of the 700 years since the creation of the anti-gay doctrine 1 Cor 6:9 was not in the doctrine. The 12^th century was time that so many changes came to the Church not only the anti-gay doctrine but how we get married today. Marriage as we know it is direct from pagan marriage custom base in their fertility gods. So many pagan became Christians then these custom came over to Christianity and evolved into what is assume a Christians heritage.

The actual meaning of 1 Cor 6:9 is catamite and sodomite which means expensive call boy or young man meaning not street prostitute, but a person that you needed to go through channel to hire and they would in public appear to be lovers of the wealthy clients. This was a well-known status symbols of wealthy Corinthian men.

1 Cor 6:9 has had so many facelifts of the years and have been taught so many ways. In King James day (he is a well known transvestite and now known was gay) the verse meant “weak and spineless”. Other times one was a boy the other a ped. For some time in the USA it was masturbators hence the change to be taught gays won’t inherit. In 1946 arsenokoites and malakos were removed and a non Bible word homosexual inserted. There is a word that is almost pronounce the same as arsenokoites but spelled defiantly and does not have the same meaning but that would could mean gays, but it was not used by Paul.

Are you getting the idea of what I mean when I say explain how you get gays into the Bible? If I can spend this much writing and give you barely the tip of the iceberg of information, why can’t you and other homophobes present why they say gay is sin? I know you can paste a verse in like I said, but again all you do is say “can you please explain these 7 different versions of 1Corinthians 6 : 9 it seems you are on thin ice, in fact all the ice is gone” . Why can’t you explain word meaning and real gays in Jesus or Paul’s day. Here is a site that goes into deep detail about real gays in Jesus day http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/thesis.htm

Now since you have actually came back to me thinking you can paste some verses as though you are such the knowledgeable person can you again come back with something Like how I am going the extra mile with you showing gay is not sin. If you so believe you ought to be able to show mean ancient material in a little more detail than a modern version pasting of a verse.

Maybe the worst thing you said was saying I need to accept Jesus and repent. You concept of repenting is be str8, repentance is a subject that is so abused and misused to heap guilt on the innocent that the topic of repenting as a discussion point needs to be a separate issue as am quite passionate on the topic and the misuse of the word repent.

Concerning my salvation I had already told you much about my walk with Jesus. You said “, and you need to be saved .” I have some of my testimony online http://gays4jesus.com/Testimony.htm The horrors of homophobes is they so blatantly reject testimonies of gays. I am 65 been a Pentecostal Christian since Jan. 1974, been on TV since 1985 don’t you think I might have a walk with Jesus to talk about? I have had 3 major instant miraculous physical healings as well, beside lots of minor healing and 1000s of specifically answered prayers in the detail prayed for. I have nightly vision dreams and Jesus talks with me and much more. But do you care. Homophobes say it is satan not God can you image (of course you can that is what you think too) What do you suppose God thinks when you tell someone they are not saved and they are? Read my challenge http://gays4jesus.com/challenge.htm get your church to invite me let’s check it out is God with me or not. I am willing to stand up for my faith are you willing to stand up for your homophobic belief? Inviting me to your church http://gays4jesus.com/InviteMe2.htm is the process.

Now try to be decent and really give me some real info to your homophobic belief. thanks

Please Pray For Me

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Jesus is with you 24/7 the poem below sums it up when we have troubled times and think Jesus is not with us. Whenever I get into times when I think Jesus should be helping in a serious situation that I can hardly manage and is at my darkest moments I tell myself 2000 years of Christian history has gone by. For a fact whatever I have gone through can’t compare with other Christians. Christians though plenty of testimony of wonderful works of deliverance and miraculous intervention by Jesus to our rescue history tells us it is far more common that we get killed or go through pain and suffering seemingly without help from God and our prayers seem unanswered.

It is by FAITH we believe not acts of God. Praise God when he acts in our behalf. It is our faith we maintain till the end through any circumstances that befall us.

King James Bible
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Faith is your COMPASS you can’t get lost. You are not off path crooked as it may seem.

Yes I will pray for you: God here Jalanten’s prayers, show him ways to renew his relationship with you, heal his physical needs. I Jesus NAME I pray.

Again it is faith not magic. Miracles comes some times out of the blue, but often because you seek them and ask for them. Who can understand why some that don’t really seem to deserve the constant help they appear to receive from the Lord while others very faithful and sincere go for long periods in a desert place with no hint there is an end to it.

The promise is Jesus will never forsake you, so this means he is there all the time. Jesus is amazing, God has cattle on a thousand hills and he is willing.

Below is pretty good explanation, (I don’t know his other messages, but in this topic he explains it well)

Healing is Jesus

By The Right Revd Graham Dow
Matthew, chapter 8 verses 1 - 15

It is Jesus who heals. The heart of the Church’s healing ministry is, through the Holy Spirit, bringing together Jesus with the person whose needs we want to pray for. It is not a matter of techniques: healing is Jesus. The two stories at the beginning of St Matthew chapter 8 shed light on how we may approach this. There are two principles:

Please go to http://www.resource-arm.net/articles/healing_is_jesus.html to read about the principles. I did not want to copy the article in full.

You can at this moment do what you want. Jesus is not a rule book of directions that must be followed to the letter to get something. Jesus is in a personal relationship with you as though in the world there are only you and him. This can give Jesus a problem because you can slip things by him sort of catching him off guard. Best way to explain this is as you are talking to him sneak a joke in (not one that is a “did you hear the one about….) You actually can cause Jesus to react in a bursting out of laughter. WOW talk about getting first hand evidence he is with you and can respond to your conversation is when you make someone laugh. Hard to not laugh at a good “funny”. Jesus has emotions that can tell you he is there with you and you can tap into them in your daily relationship with him.

Of course telling Jesus how great he is going beyond the chanting “praise the Lord” (though supper to repeat this praise a lot) often in church it gets lost in a ritual and loses its personalness.

My suggestions here is just saying you have a personal relationship and we knowing how to be around others, family, co-workers, friends, we should be able to be around Jesus and have personal interactions. 2000 years of Christianity tells us mostly we live day to day like anyone else with rare occasions of a camp meeting experience with Jesus. You can up the ante by participating in the personal relationship Christian claim to have with Jesus. Jesus is willing.

Magic won’t renew your spirituality or heal your physical needs. Actively participating in your faith will break down many barriers. When you don’t feel like it can’t stop a break through because in faith in your darkness you can turn on the light with your thoughts. You can command the elements, You can change world events from your closet. You can change your neighbor. You can do these things and see enough to know it can’t be coincidence. He doesn’t mind you telling him you love him too. He is not Just God Creator of all things, but is YOUR GOD.

God Bless you

John

“One night I had a dream–
I dreamed I was walking along the beach with the Lord
and across the sky flashed scenes from my life.
For each scene I noticed two sets of footprints,
one belonged to me and the other to the Lord.
When the last scene of my life flashed before me,
I looked back at the footprints in the sand.
I noticed that many times along the path of my life,
there was only one set of footprints.
I also noticed that it happened at the very lowest
and saddest times in my life.
This really bothered me and I questioned the Lord about it.
“Lord, you said that once I decided to follow you,
you would walk with me all the way,
but I have noticed that during the most troublesome times in my life
there is only one set of footprints.
“I don’t understand why in times when I needed you most,
you should leave me.”
The Lord replied, “My precious, precious child,
I love you and I would never, never leave you
during your times of trial and suffering.
“When you saw only one set of footprints,
it was then that I carried you.”

From: Jal
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:20 AM
To: gaysforjesus647@gmail.com
Subject: Please Pray For Me

I just came upon your web site I had been praying and was seeking just anything to help me during this time. I am a 55 year old HIV positive and thankfully healthy and undetectable male with a strong immune system and on meds.

I have been having non-related physical problems, the most recent a mild heart attack about 8 or 9 months ago and over the last few weeks some gall bladder problems with painful symptoms. While I have these physical problems the real issue is having lost my life's compass and being separated from the love and presence of God, His Son and Holy Spirit.

I long to have that heart that longs and thirsts for Him. I am in the driest lonesome desert without His Spirit, Grace or Love. Please pray for me that I am renewed spiritually and physically.

Thank you for being out here. May God Bless You. > john

Gave or Sent?

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Cannot be Gay and Christian per Rusticxaine

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Connot be Gay and Christian? Not sure i have read this in the bible.. However i do believe that Jesus (god manifested in the flesh) Died So the ALL maybe saved. And whom ever should except Jesus as their savior shall be saved. None on earth not ever Jesus while on earth judge one person. not gay not whore . NOT ANYONE. For one person to judge another is tryin to take the place of God. Do you really think you want to try and do that? Repent and ask God to Humble you.

Well this person is not even sure it’s in the Bible. Here is what is in the Bible:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. And 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Does Rusticxaine believe all gays thinks Jesus was not manifested in the flesh? Or that all gays don’t believe John 3:16 or Romans 9:10? This person says don’t judge while saying “Cannot be Gay and Christian” This person seem their only choice of two words is “gay and whore”. There is NO “maybe saved” it is 100% if you believe you WILL be saved.

The word REPENT is not a play thing. At Salvation a new born believer did a 180 degree turn in their life. This is extremely visible as the days go by. It can be dramatic or a slow process, but always visible. Years later one person cannot tell another person they are un-repented on a fling with no investigation of their past years with Jesus.

I have many online sites. One is a 24/7 non-stop running of my TV programs over the past decades. Beside this YouTube site you responded to I have FaceBook, a webpage, a blog and many other sites. Plenty to see what I have been doping with my life since I accepted Jesus in Jan. 1974. When I accepted Jesus I began attending Assemblies of God. This means there is 3 decades plus now of history of how other Christians and Pastors reacted to me before knowing I was gay and after knowing I was gay. I had nearly 10 years before I became a weekly TV preacher so I have a solid period of how people think of me as someone they see in church every time it meets. I never missed a service for at least 13 years and more. There is a lot to this testimony.

Miracles and answered prayers abound in my life and I have been blessed in many ways. I can spend days detailing these things. I am at Jesus’s feet daily bowing before him. You can’t wish because someone is gay they do not have a close relationship with him. You can’t say you have a better one than I. You are not even sure if something is in the Bible or not. Well I am sure gay is not sin I have diligently sort out every way to learn about the Bible and the facts of its history and it language as many other site also show in their research. Gay Christians back up their mouths concerning is it sin or not. There is a wealth of info to support gay is not sin and NO info that it is sin. Homophobes can only generalize and do no more than quote a verse and state see it’s in the Bible. Never do you find homophobes backing up what they believe the Bible says with information in history , language, and any source for that matter. Like your statement “gays cannot be gay and Christian” . Those of you that read this please also comment to Rusticxaine as well and my site.

Seattle Pentecostal Christians

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Seattle Pentecostal Christians

If you are Pentecostal this page is hopefully will be a place we can figure out what to do next. Meaning, we are living in the days just before Jesus returns and Pentecostals often are not getting into the lime light as much as they did in the past.

I have been in Seattle since 1980 and have yet to see any move of God. Seattle has Pentecostal churches. Some are "Apostolic" or other similar Pentecostal churches that leans towards a very strict adherence to a bylaw structure of behaviors with their leaders nearly taking on as it were an Apostle roll requiring accompanying respect. This varies in degrees to the extreme to the hardly noticeable.

There are really only two mainline Pentecostal denomination. Four Square and Assemblies of God. From these two there are some what I call break away churches that become independent of any denominational franchise. These though hold almost all the same beliefs of whence they came. What in the main difference between the mainline and the Apostolic line is like saying one is a dictatorship (Apostolic) and the other is a democracy(AOG). I am generalizing only to present these two classes of Pentecostalism.

The statement of faith of both are almost identical. It is one is too strict for most Pentecostals. Apostolic can be as strict as saying they are the only true church and are walking the wire of being a cultic church with a guru type leader. Mostly they deny this, but since I receive calls and contacts from so many over the decade I can speak to this fact. Generally they come on as ordinary Christians and are as it were just another denomination.

Assemblies of God started dramatically with healing miracles in a large gathering which grew into a denomination almost 100 years old now. However, though it can be very strict as both Pentecostal styles emphasize pure living on what they determine is moral. Assemblies evolved into a as I call it a democracy, meaning the pastor had better keep in line or the church will empty. Sort of widely exaggerated as the mighty dollar determines the sermons. This keeps people coming and donating and so Assemblies of God can do much more like international TV networks and large rallies where miracles occur publically.

Too often entertainment becomes the attracting commodity. Almost like competition of who has the best equipment and talent. Most Assemblies though go un-noticed with few public miracles. Assemblies use their power to legislate the gospel way to often since they can wheel a lot of clout through media since they own two major TV networks and have a huge communication system to promote political causes. Again I will exaggerate these qualities somewhat to point out Pentecostalism is operating in the gifts of the Holy Spirit and should not energize us to manipulate politics.

Corruption is in all churches so I am not going to emphasize this area except to say the CHURCH as a whole will give the final vote that makes Anti-Christ world dictator. All church is some way direct or indirect are supporting a one would religion so singling out any church is really not much point as it is prophetically filling in the loop holes to make the Tribulation period take place on time as planned by God.

Seattle Pentecostal
(here on Pentecostal means Assemblies of God style Pentecostal, often called “charismatic” tongue speaking Christian)

This webpage is created to step beyond tradition. The mainline churches were needed to get through 2000 years. They will be needed to take care of the coming rival. The Church (meaning denominations and physical buildings or meeting places) will suddenly find huge crowds coming through their doors. It is not going to matter the church doctrine or how corrupt any church had become. You do know we are forgiven don’t you? Corruption and false doctrine is always there and has not be a ingredient for salvation. John 3:16 and Romans 10:9 are the staple for salvation. Yes the whole Bible does not become unimportant to Christians. False doctrines just can’t be an issue since every Christian is believing some sort of false doctrine and they are not going to a church that has it all right or does not have corruption.

The huge numbers of people that will begin to flock to any church door will set the stage for a immediate issue. The pastors and their staff will be frantic and will soon find their old ways won’t work for so many people pouring in their church. God intended the CHURCH (on every street corner) to house the masses somehow and teach them how it is. Now pastors are pastors because they were called RIGHT? Well, suddenly they realize it’s happening and so they know at least at some point to listen to the TWO WITNESSES and also the many God is about to send. IS HE SENDING YOU? MAYBE THIS IS WHY YOU ARE AT THIS SITE READING THIS NOW.

All Pentecostals are of course welcomed, but I live in Seattle and want to reach out to Seattle Pentecostals. You in other states or countries are welcomed to do the same in your city.

Like I said I been in Seattle for a few decades and been to a number of Assemblies of God churches and many other churches too. I never ever seen or heard of a revival or miracle rallies. I have been to some fantastic revivals in my day and seen amazing miracles. I have had many miracles too. I have had 3 major physical healing myself just for asking Jesus to heal me. The Accounting of these are on my sites. I know beyond doubt God has no hesitation to move it is we as Pentecostals have grown very accustom to our cozy style praise and worship services that if we are lucky get to hear a tongue and maybe an interruption once in a while and on occasion have a little camp meeting in our church. Now a-days we almost don’t know what the phrase “camp meeting” means.

30 years ago it was not that usual to see a tent pitched on some corner with some preacher preaching up a storm. Now if we see anything like it, it is a well-oiled and organized format that is not allowed to be deviated from. These are rare and requires a plane ticket or a long drive and probably taking a vacation from work to attend.

I really believe, especially for Pentecostals, that we should endeavor to witness with no restriction to time and place. WELL yeah huh? Impossible is it? Only if you think you need to do the above organizing and planning that you get people in then out on schedule and have name brand entertainers.

I am not saying I know how to do this, if I did I would have done it by now. All I know is I can keep trying. For so long I have seen a smidgen of people coming to my sites. This last week after some refreshing of my sites I have what appears to be 2000% increase in site visitors. Not really sure why.

What I do know is a church can decide on a project , put some people in charge and promote it from the podium and elsewhere and soon they have what they asked for. Sometime it is as much as a new building. Other times it is increasing the offering plate or set up a new outreach. They may learn of talent in their church and get that person up singing. Sometimes they double and triple their congregation. There is a church a block away from my house that died and so sold the building to an eastside church. That church has something going for it as I never seen so many people going to that nearby church. I went there once and it was ok but really not my style (I am Pentecostal they weren’t). Why were they growing?

Well Pentecostal in Seattle why are you Pentecostal? Do you have spiritual gifts? Are you just someone that just goes to work then on Sunday go to church and that is it for your faith? Or have you been praying long and hard for years maybe for God to move? Don’t you want to see miracles in Seattle. Maybe it is Seattle that needs to get going (there is a Russian prophecy that says the great USA rival will come out from Seattle Washington like a wave).

You can start by writing your thoughts and ideas http://gays4jesus.wufoo.com/forms/your-topic-or-suggestions-for-a-topic/ This link takes you to a form where you can write up to a page or more. When you submit it I can put it here on a link from this page and from my several sites. Anyone can write here, but I really hope to reach some Seattleites that want to make a difference in Seattle.

What do I personally want? I want people in Seattle to know where someplace is that they can go to a HEALING rally. Hate to refer to a counterfeiter plagiarizer Benny Hinn, but he is the one we hear about a lot. I speak badly about him because he basically stole Brant Baker’s style and took credit for it himself. http://gays4jesus.blogspot.com/2007/12/brant-baker-shekinah-fellowship-re.html of the late 70s and early 80s. He adopted Kathryn Kuhlman’s huge choir after she passed on. Back in those days we had a lot of these faith healing style ministers. I don’t think we will go back to those type healing services. EndTimes is a different era than the past 2000 years of Christianity. We had 2000 years to mess things up and now we enter a new period or pre-Jesus return. It is the GET READY time. I go into detail what that means on my sites.

Like I said I don’t know how to get anything going, but I bet many of you do if you set your mind to it. Also, maybe you are like me just think they are alone. I know in Seattle there are many Pentecostals longing to operate in the Holy Spirit and just can’t seem to get answers from God or their current church. It is like a block and you are just doing a lot of wishing. I think if a few are able to connect something can happen. I really do not believe in a new denomination of a new independent church needs to be started. I don’t think even that finding a coffee shop or a home to meet in like a standard home Bible study group. People have been doing this from the beginning and it does not work other than keeping it small and maybe inconvenient and uncomfortable and always someone is taking the lead and so it is just another nothing happening group. I just think that a been there done that process is not a LAST DAYS starting point for the move of God. Probably you don’t either since you already tried all you can.

I am trying to find that needle in the hay stack. I believe God is keeping it hidden for the season, but I also think that season is ending and so something is about to happen. I’ve talked with easy a million people in some way or another since 1974 from all over the world. It might be that the best that can be done is that some of you hear what I am saying and or already know something so that a disaster that affects you (meaning suddenly you lived through something and now are in the mist of the aftermath and so can lay hands on or some other operating in the Holy Spirit act that causes a mini or maxi revival).

I am looking for that needle can you tell me it is left or right, then someone else can say now go southwest. Who knows that what you write at above input link may change the face of Seattle and put it on the Christian map. I know it will involve Glorifying God through Jesus Christ. We can’t be seeking our glory but giving him the Glory. But for sure it is through you God will be Glorified. God has been telling me for decades the CHURCH will not be the revivalists they think that they will be. They will be generally forced to adjust to what YOU have done through Jesus Christ. That is Reach the unreachable that send them to established churches. YOU and the coming Messengers God has prepared are not church planters but church fillers.

More to come as this page is under construction as they say.

GateKeepers

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Gatekeepers generally are not easily clearly described in terms that can really be clear because sources are not bluntly flat out Christian mainline. Lots of mysteries are mysteries just because they are very hard to prove out. Often their backgrounds get into cultures that they can’t be accepted very well. The Bible is full of mysteries that has taken 1000s of years to get some revelations that then could explain it acceptably. The Universe is so huge we are only now fathoming how much we don’t know about it. It just gets more wondrous. God is far more glorious than words can explain. Christians generally are put on the spot if they receive revelation with little proof or material to back it up.

Gays as “GateKeepers” is a mystery hard to accept. It is in the Bible but written in ways that just can’t be known easily. What is in the world often is in societies we would discard as pagan or culturally non-Christian. The more precise detail info comes from tribes in Africa. But also from many cultures around the world. Insert Christianity into the equation of these culture and the POWER of Christian Church effects a ban or ridicule or a rendering to a demonic origin. Demon are not behind every bush (except grandfather Bush, father Bush, and son Bush). The Bible does talk about aliens and UFOs, but not as the History channel implies. Some things that go bump in the night are Heaven originated not from hell. But we can’t just accept these things that are so vague and so dimly lit as doctrine. Many things remain interesting topics to many.

Around 700 years ago the Church amputated gays from its body creating the antigay doctrine. This has made the Church very sick and weak. Today, God has graphed gays back into the Church and healing is beginning. Following gay history gays really do have an impact on society. Just look at the effort to finally get “Don’t ask don’t tell” repealed. Gay marriage is now free and clear to overcome the issues that keeps it from becoming law.

To shorten this response asked about gays as “gatekeepers” summing up history we do find enough facts that societies think of gays as a source to keys to deep possesses between God and man. As Christians we can clean out the non-believers and apply gatekeepers to Christianity as so what does it mean. Gays as a fact are generally sacredish in a lot of cultures. The incredibly famous sacred gays that homophobes use to condemn gay as sin is “sodomites” The part of they could be gay is not the Bible issue. The Bible issue relating to the sin of it is that is it an “OTHER GODS” THING. God is a jealous god. As Christians we are his spouse. Going to other gods is unfaithful. Point here is in pagan worship we got the gays as most sacred. Anyone and everyone in other religions aren’t going to Heaven unless they come to Christ.

Sacredness in other religions can’t ever get you Heaven. In other religions you also have carpenters and you have carpenters in Christianity. Short point is not your occupation but your god that keeps you from Heaven. If a “sodomite” got saved he would stop being a male temple prostitute therefore would not be a “sodomite” anymore. If gay he would still be gay and going to Heaven because he accept the work of Jesus on the Cross. When you as a str8 person and were not saved you were going to hell period. But you as a country music lovers came to Christ you remain a country music lover but a saved one. But if the country music had very evil words you would stop buying those songs and buy more Christian country songs. One could say you changed, but you are still yourself which was a country fan.

Many American Indian cultures think gays are sacred. When you read and read and read some more about gatekeepers you begin to understand a pattern. Gays could just perhaps have built in gifted traits that make them a gatekeeper. So “born again” gays are actually important for the CHURCH. It is the what was thought to be an uncomely member was given more abundant comeliness.

FACT two gay men in the late 70s early 80s completely changed to style of Christian worship. Brant Baker and Lonnie Frizbee brought a style of faith healing and worship service that has become the style we see generally in charismatic Pentecostal worship. Brant was fast becoming internationally known as a faith healing ministry regularly on TBN. The famous Vineyard church has a listing of what one phrase for the entire year was most profound. One year it was Lonnie’s “come Holy Spirit” Today we love singing “COME HOLY SPIRIT”. It had an origin. But they were before their time a hint of what is to come in the fullness of the gay Church which soon will become very public. Being early 80s both had wild pre-Christian lives. Normally we praise God at bring people out of wild party lives or the like. But mid 70s was not the best time for gays to be a party animal. (Lonnie is where the term “Jesus Freak” began and was the first to be called that. They both got aids early 80s Paul Crouch found out and banned them and then erased their existence from the Christian record. Fortunately Praise God all was not lost and now you can hear them online and watch their services.

There is Bible that says some powerful things about an army of believers that has characteristics of gays that will have an incredible ministry in the Last Days. God has shown me for decades gay Christians as a whole are called to be restorers. They will loving minister to the fallen saints who often persecuted gays , urging them back to Christ. In a time when nearly 2/3 of present day Christians turn their backs on Jesus.

The more you research the more you will find. I have been intensely researching and searching for info anywhere it can be found since even before I accepted Jesus in Jan. 1974.

One-God, Apostolic, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller,

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One-God, Apostolic, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller, Born again, heaven bound believer

eccka1

About Me:

Hey thanks for stopping by(: Okay well lets start off by saying I am a one-God, Apostolic, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller, Born again, heaven bound believer in the liberating power of Jesus' name. I've been washed in the blood, sanctified by the Spirit, I was set free at a Pentacostal alter on my knees, Pardon me if im not ashamed to be a one-God, Apostolic, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller, Born again, heaven bound believer in the liberating power of Jesus' name!

Gay Pentecostals

Hello!
I have watched some of your videos and I just have a couple questions. First off I just want to say that I am Apostolic/Pentecostal and that this is not meant to insult you but I just was kind of curious about all of this.
* Romans 1:26-27(King James Version is what I'm reading from) verse 26, says God gave them up to vile affections,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)*. If you read down it says they gave up the natural use of the woman and burned in there lust for one another, men with men working what is unseemly(shameful) receiving in themselves that recompense(penalty) of their error which was meet(due).
I was just wondering how in any way can someone justify being homosexual with that scripture?
p.s: The words in the parentheses is what the word means in Hebrew. It wasn't because I thought you were unintelligent.
*Not translated in Hebrew, dictionary definition.
God Bless,
-eccka1

My Response

My apologies, but “~~Apostolic~~” sets you in a class I call “holier than thou” Generally Pentecostals fit in two categories. Certainly there is a wider variety, but for sake of narrow the field there are just two main groupings. Apostolic and Assemblies of God type. Apostolic contains by my experience no matter the brand those that have a fetish about some sort of purity they think is a requirement for salvation. This sort of purity is impossible to achieve. Apostolics sin daily and are not living pure flat out. Actually no Christian is living pure. Apostolic make though this their main consideration and are extremely closed minded to other denominational wisdoms on scriptures. I speak from 26 years on weekly TV with over all over one million estimated people passing by my TV programs or my sites. I get many Apostolic Christians and so I speak from that experience. I have talked long hours with 1000s of Apostolics so please respect my background experience with Apostolics.

Assemblies of God type are I suppose is what has become mainline Pentecostal. They are the ones that got Daystar and TBN up and running. I have been with them since Jan. 1974. http://s91536390.onlinehome.us/gaysforjesus/Statement.html for my statement of faith. I can say like you that I am a “one-God, ~~Apostolic~~, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller, Born again, heaven bound believer in the liberating power of Jesus' name. I've been washed in the blood, sanctified by the Spirit, I was set free at a Pentecostal alter on my knees, Pardon me if I’m not ashamed to be a one-God, ~~Apostolic~~, Tongue-talking, Holy-roller, Born again, heaven bound believer in the liberating power of Jesus' name!” Notice though I scratched out ~~Apostolic .~~

·
Of or relating to an apostle.

· Of, relating to, or contemporary with the 12 Apostles.
Of, relating to, or derived from the teaching or practice of the 12 Apostles.

a. · Of or relating to a succession of spiritual authority from the 12 Apostles, regarded by Anglicans, Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and some others to have been perpetuated by successive ordinations of bishops and to be requisite for valid orders and administration of sacraments.

b. Roman Catholic Church. Of or relating to the pope as the successor of Saint Peter; papal.

c. The adjective has 2 meanings:

d. Meaning #1: of or relating to or deriving from the Apostles or their teachings
Synonym: apostolical
Pertains to noun: Apostle (meaning #3)

e. Meaning #2: proceeding from or ordered by or subject to a pope or the papacy regarded as the successor of the Apostles
Synonym: papal
Pertains to noun: pope (meaning #1)

This is not hardly relating to Apostolic in the practice of the modern Apostolic churches. Apostolics have no mercy of love when they go after what they deem sinful life style. They also use no backup to explain why they use certain verses, but this is also true of all denomination Pentecostal or not. My ministry is to be non-stop emphasizing back up your mouth if you are condemning gays.

Generally Assemblies of God are very much in living right for God mode. However, they differ in that “Apostolics” are mainly ruled like near cult guru leader and by laws. Apostolics are on the razor edge of being a Jim Jones David Karesh on the one side and some are standalone individuals that proclaim they do not need a church or fellowship. While Assemblies of God sometimes are near holier than thou they are NOT rigidly demanding obedience. Assemblies of God parishioners are very independent and would not tolerate a pastors that would demand strict observance of holier than thou theology.

I can spend a long time on this topic, I bring it up here to put background into your background verses a background that is not from your personal convictions. Quakers are not going to get Unitarians to move out of the city and toss all modern conveniences. Protestants are not going to alternate this week attend a Catholic Church next a Baptist then their own denomination.

Concerning spiritual gifts and operation. I speak in tongues daily and often. If I doze off as I am passing in to sleep but yet still conscious I see an instant going into a vision while still seeing what is around me. Once asleep I wake often and almost all the time from a dramatic amazing vision. I have had 3 major physical healings where I personally ask Jesus to heal me during a especially painful part of an illness or other. These were very dramatic and lasted several minutes with abounding love of Jesus pouring on my as the healing took place. I cannot count the number of very detailed prayers that got answered in details as I ask for. Some time it is within a few minutes they are answered and they are otherwise impossible. I have asked for weird things and got answers. Once I asked that God arrange a UFO to fly over my house knowing this requires timing that I would be outside looking up at the time. Within a few days a http://youtube.com/watch?v=EWmCEUaN_IU ufo did fry over my house. I did manage to take a video (not very good but it is a fact) But I also had binoculars and was able to see it close up and we ain’t got nothing like that and what’s more it looked like it could do a lot of harm. I had a witness that also look at it through the binoculars.

Over 200 Assemblies of God pastors prophesied over me specifically calling me up front of congregations of 1000 plus. Often it was done in 2 or 3 additional prophecies other staff gave as I was up there. They were accurate and confirm God called me to minister and loved me and I him. Then all those years the people in the congregation and everywhere felt need to tell me they see God and Jesus in me and with me. I can spend days on miracles too.

The above also is intended to show you that judging someone as in sin when they have a WALK with Jesus for decades. My YouTube Videos has details about the verse you used. You said you viewed some of the videos but somehow missed the one of Romans? At least you read the KJV. I wonder if you know why you read the KJV. Do you also use modern versions? All modern visions are satan counterfeits which is backup up by reading about the ones that gave Christians modern versions, Westcott and Hort.

,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)*. Now let’s look at your parents ok? How did they meet, did they date? Did they fall in love? I assume they married and later you popped out right? Now your picture make you look young if it is you so you may not be married or dating yet. I don’t want to go into Bible marriage at this time but just to say today’s married are direct from 12^th century pagan marriages dating and rituals. Marriage today is not Bible marriage and not even close. But still you as a str8 girl understands dating even in the strict Apostolic culture. Today the facts are 69% of str8 single Christians have sex on their first date. Josh McDowell’s research of TBN fame. 60% of Christians divorce. Now certainly can’t sit there and think that the other 40% are kool loving caring relationship do you? Lots of people do not divorce because they probably don’t believe in it or can’t. Bing gay does not set you apart from str8s in marriages. So we that are gay see everything in detail and are told by str8s their every sex act and life as str8 person. Str8s just seem to want to talk about their imitate life so nothing is hidden from gays. Now gays live their own lives so they know lies many Christian believe about gays. Like you your ,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)*. Somehow you think this means gay loving each other (like you as a str8 person somehow find yourself married and how you went from single and ended up married) means ,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)*.

Now your Romans attempt to say gay is sin is not a one verse you can take out of a story and use as doctrine. You actually must keep verse 26-27 in the context of 18-32

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

In short the Bible tells you WHO and WHY. Str8 adults TURNED from GOD to gods. They had to be adults and str8 because you believe later they became gay magically because God hated their acts (hmm but they weren’t gay so what act was hated?) Their acts were turning to other gods. 7 billion people today so you want me to believe every Christians that turned to other gods God made gay? Where was Paul back then? Paul was in Corinth not in Rome yet. He wrote Romans while in Corinth. I will soon be going to Corinth to shoot a TV program at the temple ruins of a temple that Paul toured. That temple had over 1000 temple prostitutes and it also had the statue to the unknown god inside. There were orgy room there also. Both Paul and Moses had a problem with Hebrew men going to fertility temple for ritual sex with their male temple prostitutes and joining ritual orgies. Bible lands is full of these temples and they were fertility. The word sodomite means “male temple prostitute” it is in 7 of the 14 verses people like you use to condemn gays.

I recently was in Rome. I actually did a program from inside St Peter’s Basilica and by many ruins of fertility temples. Many of these temples are now Catholic churches. I did a program from the ruins of the “mother of the gods” most popular in Paul’s day.

To the Phoenicians she was Astarte; to the Phrygians,Cybele; to the Babylonians, Ishtar; to the Thracians, Bendis; to the Cretans, Rhea; to the Ephesians, Artemis; to the Canaanites, Atargatis; to the Persians, Anaitis; to the Cappadocians, Ma. But though her names differ, her attributes are the same - she is always the mother who succours and helps, and who bestows fertility.

Can you imagine what orgies are like? Your ,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)*. There are temple still intact enough that have carving inside and out of every imaginable sex acts twisted together with lots of people. I was recently in Pompeii where I shot a few programs. That city almost was one big sex vacation retreat with brothels everywhere. What you are telling me is that my relationship with my lover (we are finishing our 22^nd year together) is acts like these orgies? How can you being str8 discern rape and hookers is not the same as dating and falling in love then marrying? One str8 co-worker told me once all that was needed was a brown paper sack over the head of any woman and sex would be just go for it. Yet you do not say str8 is sin because you can discern love from ,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)*. Why can’t you apply what you do with str8 to gays?

5446 phusikos (foo-see-kos'); from 5449; physical", i.e. (by implication) instinctive: KJV-- natural. Compare 5591. 5449 phusis (foo'-sis); from 5453; growth (by germination or expansion), i.e. (by implication) natural production (lineal descent); by extension, a genus or sort; figuratively, native disposition, constitution or usuage: KJV-- ([man-]) kind, nature ([-al]).

Let’s look at nature/natural. Short definition is seed and instinct. This means as Paul’s times use of nature (today nature is not the same as we apply science rendering the word different than how it was used in Paul’s day) A seed can only grow into that which it was designed. Apple tree cannot grow into an orange tree. Applied to humans a str8 man will turn out str8 not gay. This has a built in guarantee called instinct. This means when a boy get that age his body is going to begin to demand loving a girl. Listening to boys when I grew up and they hit dating age their talk was dramatic. Do I need to detail this so you can understand? Gays usually has no clue what it all means for they feel nothing about the opposite sex other than pressure from society and horny peers. Str8 did not need the pressure as their bodies demanded if possible just grab whatever girl walks by. Maybe a bit dramatic here but the point is str8s don’t choose or learn to be str8 they just have lots of support and of course to get what they want they have to abide by dating rules. Gays on the other hand go through a mystery because they don’t get what their peers are going through. In the past nothing to compare to so it may take time to figure out what they are feeling. How can one know they are gay? All you got is the same attractions working but towards the same sex, but you just don’t know because nothing to relate to (today lots of support for gay youth and so most already know about gays and can relate their feelings) but because of instinct born gays no matter what society teaches or pressures at that age they will begin to know they are not the same as their peers. I was pretty sure in Junior high about myself, but it took years in those days before hints that other gays existed. Now of course there are other gays 700 million of them.

Try as you might you will be hard pressed to find ,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)*. The offense is because you are conditioned to hate gays and think it is vile. (700 years ago a few powerful Catholic invented the antigay doctrine to create scandals to purge people from power).

Now we get to a very very horrible sentence a human could ever speak.

You said: I was just wondering how in any way can someone justify being homosexual with that scripture?

This really is bad. It means you have resigned yourself to condemn without giving any hope and that you closed the books to understanding the verse you used. Truth becomes a lie to you. Your understanding is based on your own frailty about your own sexual orientation. You think love is designed for you and not me. You have redefined love to mean ,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)* You see the word gay and you redefine love. If you read verse 28-32 you are telling 700 million gays they are this sort of wicked person. It seems so easy for someone like you to with no conscious say all 700 million gays behave: 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

When each one of these attribute are so completely not gay behaviors. Gays are so opposite these behaviors in real life. But you so easily imagine all gays are this sort of evil. It has been shown if gays were to be fired from the health system that it would collapse. Gays are pillars in family crisis. They are “gatekeepers” in many religions including Christians. Look up this “gatekeeper” term. The list of good deeds is long. Compared to str8s concerning as it were the wild life bars bath houses gang bangs drugs on and on str8 far are more worst. So where do you get: 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; This would mean gays were str8 to begin with and reached adulthood knowing God, then turned from him to gods. So you say God made those str8 gay and let them join ritual orgies so God went further and gave them a reprobate mind so that their public behavior being listed in 29-32 would show them out to all. I beg you tell me where the gays are that are behaving this way.

I be happy to go into detail about any questions you have. I also will be greatly pleased if you actually can back up your mouth about gays. I expect only from you that you will wash your hand of me your way of avoiding presenting how you get gays into a verse or a Bible word. But hey maybe you will take the time to give some meat as to what makes you say ,(vile means wretchedly bad or highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable)* means gays.

How to be Rapture Ready

2010-12-15T13:53:00.001-08:00

How to be Rapture Ready

Mainly realize there is a lot to the Bible that is left out or not talked about in sermons. Keep in mind for no reason ever no matter how much proof showing that man over there is Jesus after all he is not Jesus. Jesus will not be on Earth except you were coming with him so you will see his backside not his front-side when he returns. Main thing is not your doctrine, but your faith stays intact that Jesus is the Son of God and God rose him on that 3rd day, that Jesus died on the Cross for your sins. It is simple with few rules. Also know that it is not you that really can get ready. That is why we will have 1260 days of shaking. God so loves you that he is sending TWO messengers to shake the Church. During this time you go through the refiner's fire where 1/3 gets through that Rapture Ready. That 1260th day there would have been at least 3.5 billion people killed so that is a good sign that the Rapture is soon. Also, read what you can about Westcott and Hort. They got the counterfeit Bibles in your hands. All modern versions are satan counterfeits conditioning Christians to accept that man over there.

Why can’t you get yourself ready? When we accept Jesus we are wrapped in a shell. This is like WHEAT hence the parables. MATTHEW 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. These “tares” are not to be pulled out or it would hurt the “wheat”. Generally wheat is not edible in the shell. A process of breaking open the shell then winnowing is needed.

Ancient threshing tool: It's a medium-sized wooden sled with holes where you would put stones to poke through. Have someone stand on it and hold the reins of a moving horse and you have a very effect threshing system. Threshing is cracking open of the wheat nut. You will remember from the Book of Ruth that met Boaz when he slept on the threshing floor after a hard day's work.

Take a look at a wheat grain. It has a crease down one side. That is where the stalk lay by which the grain was attached and fed in the ear of the plant. If it was not that shape, but was round, it would be very easy to mill by grinding off the outer layers of the bran, similar to the process that is used today for the polishing of rice.

Point of these pictures are to show you that it takes a process to remove the outer layer

Then that shell outer layer needs to be blown away leaving the usable wheat. Tares grow amongst the wheat as you can see this picture shows it would be hard to clear them out without damaging the wheat. The protection the wheat shell gives also allows blindness to what is immediately around you. You have many layers God built in which gives this blindness. This protection prevents satan from completely deceiving you over to him. Satan and his people (Masons that trace their roots to the Flood where they set a goal to re-establish the Days of Noah) has 5000 years of experience which no one can pull the wool over his eyes. You would not stand a chance. Yes we through Jesus Christ can make demons tremble. History tells us this happens few times in the past 2000 years. As Christians, facts should mean something so with the Word of God we can discern things. You do not discern things by looking at it and say its bad or good. With modern versions so common now even the Bible is watered down an may not help if you are using one. KJV remains the only Bible from the Received Text. Modern versions are from Westcott and Hort. Is Jesus this helpless? No he is not. There is a reason Israel is in blindness and soon will see whom they pieced. The Church also is in blindness so the plan of God will go forth and show the Glory of God and the nature of sin in its due time. Meanwhile we see through a glass darkly so this means we treat wishes and guesses like fact. This maintains our faith and endurance. It also means we cannot wear the wedding gown. The wedding gown requires you to be out of your shell. Premature outing would expose you to the wiles of the devil to the extent you would perish. Jesus keeps you safe by giving you a protective shell. The nation of Israel disembodied God often and God rose up nations against that. Once Israel came back in line God destroyed those nations he spent much time rising to power. Israel had the LAW and provisions were there to get them back on track. In Christ Jesus are provision is he comes inside to sup with us so we have him always this keeps us in faith secure in that shell. The wiles of the devil are strong and all people won’t accept Jesus.

18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Depending on your reception of Jesus you may perish. It is your choice. Jesus won’t forsake you and No one can take you from Jesus. Only you can choose to turn your back on him. And at some point 2/3 of today’s Christians will turn their backs on Jesus. Jesus has raise up an army of restorers you know not of that will diligently seek to win you back to Christ. This GREAT falling away begins in earnest one the 1^st day of the TRIB.

Rapture Ready comes in stages. 1^st stage is to be aware of the first paragraph on this page. You need to know Bible is not a lie and it is not wrong. That modern versions are conditioning you if you read them. There are no red or blue states only one goal set up antichrist’s kingdom. Most sources have one goal and that is to condition you to accept globalization as the term is today. The Church is directly or indirectly supporting a one world religion that will become worship antichrist. Ancient Astronauts did not give Moses the Torah (1^st 5 books of the Bible). The Universe is far more amazing work of God than you can comprehend. Heaven is not in the Universe. There are physical beings not of Earth, these are not angels or demons. Angels and demons are spiritual being from Heaven not the Universe and soon you will be changed: 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. At that time we see: 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. The TWO Witnesses will tell you things that may be very hard to accept. This will cause the Church to HATE them and want them dead and add their support that will make antichrist the one world dictator.

When your wheat shell breaks open it will feel like Jesus forsook you and the deception looks so real it will not be an easy shift to live by FAITH alone. Today we have faith but we also have a hard wired connection to Jesus. It is understood sort of like hard wired through the Ethernet port to the internet. Soon all of us need to be connected via Wi-Fi to Jesus. We have not configured out settings yet to auto connect and so when the Ethernet port is unplugged were frantically trying to configure our Wi-Fi settings. Being aware these things will comes to pass gets you ready to go Wi-Fi more quickly.

Many will be worshipping and loving the return of Jesus praising him, then suddenly havoc breaks loose and you will ask Jesus WHY. Jesus will say for the sins of past Christians (Church as a whole) I send these things on you. He will add, why are you so concerned your sins are worse. Indeed they are as shown in Lev. 26 the 4^th level of disobedience. 27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; 28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins. The Church today is in this 4^th level of disobedience. The preaching Jesus may come tonight is a false doctrine. The Church is so messed up it would be like NO JUSTICE from our God the is a JUST God. The innocent ones persecuted by the Church gets free ticket to Heaven? Not going to happen. YES individually our sins are forgiven, but this is not going to white wash Church wide sins of 2000 years. Jesus has long suffered waiting for this day that he can release himself to answer those prayers of the innocent ones. The extent of Jesus promises to those suffering will manifest soon. The Tribulation period is not a time that God gets revenge on unbelievers and wipes them out. God so Loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son. So God is doing a major action to round up every possible person for salvation. He will clean up the act of Christians that has taken God’s Glory for themselves. After that 1^st round and the dead rising then the Rapture I is still not about killing unbelievers off. That last 3.5 years is also to round up 500 million to 1 billion people to go into the 1000 year reign of Jesus as King on Earth. We are taught the TRIB is to punish evil and that it does , but mainly it is the last effort to weed out all possible people that can be saved. The GREAT revival comes in the 1^st half of the Trib. Then up to a BILLION chooses Jesus in the Last half.

Six out of seven people will be killed during that seven year period. Great miracles will happen, but such death all around is not a fun time at all. Sided with the joy of the soon return of Jesus is coupled with 6 billion killed in that process. We will get our final lesson about sin before going to live with Jesus for eternity. The ways to be killed it just seems like none of them are simple quick and easy. We hold dear families, satan does not he has permission to rip families apart in horrid ways. Many many many miracles of deliverance but 6 billion is 6 billion killed. Know first you your faith it is your that can keep it. For families it will be hard, no easy way to tell it. Each family member has it the same it is up to them to keep their faith. I would love to know how to console families. History shows us we survive almost as bad. It is in each of us to know Jesus is with us to the end and what we see in pain does not compare to the joy the will come soon enough. If you live or die do it in Christ Jesus. At every turn we now hear about population reduction plans. They make pale what we heard just a few years ago about the coming days.

Rapture Ready is not a Sunday picnic, but becoming READY for eternity with Jesus Christ. You are going to Heaven prepared in your heart cemented forever not to “sin” not because of any law or rule or order or decree but by your choice not. This choice comes because of the Tribulation period. If you die you do not miss this because “Death’s Gate” does the same job.

2010-12-12T10:47:00.000-08:00

I just added Google Site Search to my Blog. I have so many postings it may be hard to find what you are looking for so I figured out how to get the site search working. Many postings are great to read but if you don't know they exist how you read and comment on them? Now no matter how old and new the post is it is available to find by any word or phrase like you use any browser to search for a site. Enjoy this new feature.

I found your Web Site by Google”

2010-11-26T16:21:00.001-08:00

From: Allan Svensson [mailto:allan-sv@algonet.se]
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 10:07 AM
To: gays4jesus@gays4jesus.com
Subject: Blessed are those who become left

“I found your Web Site by Google”

If you found my site by Google I would not think your email was so generic. With gay in my name what were you searching for in Google? Finding my site by Google has to mean you saw my site so would have known I Have been in the Assemblies of God since Jan. 1974 and have my own weekly TV programs since 1985. You would also know that I am a Last Days TV preacher too. I am glad to hear from you , but I think your aren’t more than a bot and that is a shame that AOG has to revert to bots to snag converts.

Try coming back to me with a real email that would indeed reflect your found my website by Google. However, you gave good blog material I can comment on. For instance you knowing I am gay because you found my website by Google could have used: Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. (KJV). You see in Jesus day Hebrew men there was not any reason they would ever be caught in bed together unless they were gay. This means the verse means two gays were in that bed, one was saved the other not. Also concerning weeds (really TARES) Tares CAN’T be saved as they are not 100% human. Satan planted those: Gen. 6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. The Elite today claim linage to these that came down. Today the Church is in the 4^th level of disobedience: Lev. 26: 14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments; 15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant
Please, read 1 Thess. 4:15-17?? Why do you want me to read this? Those verses do not give a date or a season, they just tell you one day that will happen. For info on WHEN you need more reading. PRE-TRIB just is completely WRONG. You got to wish so much and have a very good imagination, but that will not make a Pre-Trib happen. Christians are not dressed for the occasion of the Rapture. It will take 1260 to get 1/3 of TODAY’S Christian in Wedding Gowns. Zec. 8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them. We are talking 3.5 billion are killed during that time, so we will have a hint Jesus is coming soon. Today, it is hard to get a few hundred killed at a time. No hint billions will be killed soon. The Elite want 500 million left alive: http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm Click and you will see in stone that is what they want.

Finally, do a study on Westcott and Hort so you will understand how you got modern versions in your hands. I was so shocked to see Assemblies of God now using the NIV as their main bible. That is scary. 50,000 to 80,000 corruptions depending on the modern version that are designed to take Christ out of Jesus and much more. Tis is so subtle you may believe Christ still is in Jesus in modern versions, that is the deception. You are conditioning yourself to accept that man over there believing him to be Jesus after all.

If you want more info and have question I will be very happy to talk with you on these things. This info is on my website you can find by Google.

This is the original email::

Hi.

I found your Web Site by Google and I wish you the best you can get, the peace of God through Jesus Christ.

Welcome to visit my Site.

Allan Svensson, Sweden

http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/INDEX.HTM

Blessed are those who become left There are those that Jesus shall fetch: "Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and one will be left; two women grinding at the mill, one will be taken and one will be left. Watch therefore, for you don't know in what hour your Lord comes." Matt.

24:40-42. Which are those who will be left? Please, read the parable of the darnel in Matt. 13:24-30, 39-42. First, gather up the darnel weeds, and bind them in bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my barn." "As therefore the darnel weeds are gathered up and burned with fire; so will it be at the end of this age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will gather out of his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling, and those who do iniquity, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be weeping and the gnashing of teeth." 40-42 verses.
These bundles will be gathered before Jesus fetches the Assembly. " First, gather up the darnel weeds, and bind them in bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my barn." Those who are disobedient to the demand of the Lord and are unwilling to leave churches and denominations, the great Babylon, they will be among the weeds, and be taken away before Jesus fetches the Assembly.

Please, read 1 Thess. 4:15-17. "For this we tell you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left to the coming of the Lord, will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with God's trumpet. The dead in Christ will rise first, then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. So we will be with the Lord forever."

Jesus' coming will be in highest degree public

It will be no secret Rapture

http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/BELOVED.HTM#public

In the free churches the world around

there are thousands of preachers

and bible teachers, but none can explain

what the Assembly of God is

http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/EXPLAIN.HTM#thousands

We must humble us before God's word

to understand what the Assembly of God is

http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/SARDIS.HTM#humble

Jesus cannot come today

because the Assembly of God is not ready

http://www.algonet.se/~allan-sv/TODAY.HTM

I'd want 2 start a gay ministry

2010-10-12T09:32:00.001-07:00

Onimsi October 12 at 2:56am

I sent u a mail bou how i'd want 2 start a gays ministry in nigeria. D link u gave me is to complex 4 my fone. I cant go 2 d cafe cos i'd b arrested if im caught browsing any gay related site. So pls kindly send me a mail on how i can go about it 2 ….ng@yahoo.com. God bless

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I am not sure what you mean? It sounds like the internet is not available for fear of being arrested. I would also assume any banner or LOGO or ministry name cannot have words related to gays either. Also I don’t know if you have a building to meet in or your own house to hold meetings?

Logo and material on paper can be changed to not have the word gay openly in it. My LOGOs are easily modified to not have gay in it if need be. You can use these logos. If you want to be associated with me my ministries name is “The Stables Ministries” A stable is where Jesus was born.

You have not said you have others that want to join into a ministry. I don’t want to assume what you are doing. For now it sounds like you are by yourself?

Tell me what you feel about what God is telling you. I can only explain the Bible verses about gays. The Bible does not condemn gays. I can answer many question you might have about the Bible. I can suggest what you should include when you talk to someone to lead them to Christ. I don’t know how much you know about the Bible. You want to minister to gays in a country that still is against gays. Most of your work should be powerful heart felt prayers that God will move in your country. You need to come against spiritual powers of darkness. You need to find gays to tell Jesus’ story to. Jesus is about to return to Earth and about 6 billion people will be killed before he returns. This means it is not going to get better before that.

To start it to tell anyone about Jesus when you have opportunity. Don’t limit it to gays. But also if you know gays tell who you can. If you have some meeting with you like a home Bible study or prayer group then include these things:

1. Always invite them to Jesus (if your know they are Christian already remind them of what Jesus did on the Cross and urge them tell others). Sample prayer to have people you are leading to Christ:
God be merciful to me a sinner! I believe Jesus is your only begotten SON and I believe Jesus Christ died on the Cross for me, that YOU rose him on the 3rd day, and that His Precious Blood will cleanse me from all my sins. By faith I now receive the Lord Jesus Christ into my heart as my Lord and my Savior; trusting Him for the salvation of my soul. Forgive me my sins. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.

2. Always ask them if they want to be baptized in the Holy Spirit. (also if they already are and you know they all are they remind them to pray often as they can in tongues):
Acts 2:1-4 1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. (KJV)

3. Always every time ask them to come forward to be healed by you are anyone laying hands on them:
MARK 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Again, Invite, Baptize, Heal these are the 123s of ministry. Later, as time is available you can “water baptize” them too. Never forget it is Jesus not you doing these miracles.

Secondly, remember 2000 ago Jesus was here on Earth. God said 7000 years till it is done. We just started the 6000^th year. Jesus will reign on Earth for 1000 years. WE in 2010AD are going to see Jesus return. This is wonderful, but it also means 6 billion people will be killed in a 7 year period. Part of your ministry and everyone’s’ should include “Last Days” teaching and preparation. This does not mean store food, find a safe place. It means be ready to listen to God through his TWO Witnesses and others he is sending. This time is to put our Wedding Gown on. We need to be dressed for the Rapture. Right away we will be marrying Jesus. Jesus is not going to wait once the Rapture happens,

YOU can MOVE mountains in Jesus’ Name. Jesus is your best friend and he loves you and will never forsake you. Cry out to him. Tell him what you want. He wants you to tell him. It is YOU and HIM. He is your friend tell him everything. He is not telling you to go out and get arrested or to risk your life. He is with you to reach the LOST.

Available logos and banners that can be modified with your picture and main heart felt call of the Lord. I can modify them with your picture or God given slogan. Let be “Gays For Jesus” worldwide in every country. You can start by adopting the ministries’ name for your outreach.

10-04-10 Wheat Shell Broken Open

2010-10-04T20:56:00.000-07:00

10-04-10 Don't Accept Jesus To Miss Hell

2010-10-04T20:54:00.000-07:00

10-04-10 Rise And Be Healed

2010-10-04T20:49:00.000-07:00

Mid-Trib

2010-10-02T22:05:00.001-07:00

Mid-Trib

Easiest term for when the Rapture takes place is Mid-Term. It covers specific issues that is significantly important before Jesus returns. The Church is not even close to being ready so that Christians can be Plucked off Earth. Perry Stone’s program tonight 10/2/10 of a program he did in Israel some time ago he show a device for breaking open wheat and barley. That device in Hebrew sort of sounds like the word tribulation. It was a board with many protractions on the underside so that when placed on the cornel it would break open the shell.

Though Perry strongly believes in Pre-Trib his description and video clip of that board was like a revelation to me of more precise detail for the Mid-Trib Rapture because Christians’ shell needs to be cracked open. Christians have so solidified their shell around their true Christian nature that they can hardly hear what God’s endtime messengers are saying. Should a pre-trib occur Christians would still be in their shell encasement. It simply can’t be that such a suborn lot could remain generally insubordinate to God and still can be grasped by the Rapture pluckers. Really I want to know from those that believe pre-trib how can with no fanfare you go to heaven? Let’s put for the moment we are forgiven aside. Think about the last 2000 years of Christianity. The more info that come up as we get better able to dig out ancient history and report it we find Christians simply just aren’t as decent folk as we assume Christian should be. God showed Israel point blank amazing things. God wiped out invaders, parted the sea, you know the very significant unquestionably events to the people of those days. Why then even as they were led to the Promised land They all had to be killed off and none except Joshua and all the were born on the way went into the Promised land, then on top of that after seeing Jericho fall and those many things after crossing the river, they disobeyed and did not kill every living person and domesticated animal in the land. Going forward no move of God convince them for any length of time to obey. Jesus came, YES, Jesus comes inside us, but we are still the same humans. We still did horrific things for the past 2000 years. Does this go unpunished? Did God change with Jesus on the Cross? Can we still disobey God as a people of God? History tells us a profound yes. TODAY it is not better. Every denomination says the other is wrong. Many have extremely strict rules saying salvation must be maintained. This one says they are right the other says they are right. So who is right? Are you really more right than all other denominations?

You say you have love, but so many say you are full of hate. Are those people liars that say you hate? Why do Christians so often have the term bigot attached to their name? All those calling you that they are wrong. How did they get the concept that you are a bigot? Why do red state say blue states are going to hell and vice versa? How about all those that were persecuted by the CHURCH? I bet all of you know and believe in times past the CHURCH persecuted innocent people. Do you really think the prayers of those innocent ones went unheard? How can you think you can have a pre-trib having no accountability? The pre-trib main verses don’t detail and time as in “miss the trib” The “Wrath of God” is not defined as 7 years, but as 3.5 years. Also as Perry explained tonight about wine press as describe in the Bible about God’s wrath “like a wine press” shows me that God is still trying to get the wine out of the grapes. The ancient wine press did that well. Those people God is not willing to lose will be pressed like wine grapes so that at the end of the last 3.5 years they will be ready to enter the 1000 year period with Jesus as KING. Before that time the wheat will be beaten out of its shell as I said earlier.

A pre-trib Rapture gives not even one minute to break open the wheat shell so that Christians can come out of their shell and be dressed in their wedding gown a requirement for the Rapture. All the living a the dead Christians persecuted by Christians will have a big question for God who promised to answer their prayers. Do really believe somehow magically you are not responsible? Yes your sins are forgiven you. Should you die and huge numbers of you will and if you have kept your faith that Jesus is the ONLY Son of God and God sent him to die on the Cross to pay the price of your sins, then rose him on the 3^rd day you will indeed rise with the dead in Christ even if you did not learn anything about anything about why this thrashing board in pounding you during that time that killed you. You still having faith will rise and meet Jesus in the air before the Rapture and see those still living catching up to you.

The Bible says this thrashing will last 1260 days. Perry could not have described it better though he missed the meaning it has that it will break the shell that surrounds the Christian so they can then dress in their wedding gown. Again and again, there is no free ticket to Heaven, it is work all the way. Not the work of good deeds though you should be having the manifest of good deeds since you are a Christian. Working to earn will gain you nothing, working as a manifestation of your faith is just a result of your walk with Jesus.

Your shock will hit you hard if you are expecting a pre-trib Rapture. If you expect a pre-trib then it will also go hard on you because that thrashing board is designed to break open your wheat shell. This should be easy to understand. The world is so full of info some radical some with much detail and there are FACTS galore about things planned for Christians in the coming days. Jesus is not going to return tonight or anytime very very soon. The Soon return of Jesus was talked about soon after Jesus rose and ever since. TODAY soon is much sooner now but can be until the last one alive that was alive when Israel became a nation. We’re talking as late as 2060ish. There is a monkey wrench in this date. Normally no one can live longer than we make it extreme to cover unknowns 120 yrs old. Science claims to be about to gives us unknown more years. This can extend when Jesus returns. God can and will and did set the date and so our age is not even a factor because we now might be able to extend it and so the “soon” will seem longer. But the point really is Jesus is likely to return way sooner than 2060ad. But critically and usually ignored in dating is the 144,000 and the TWO Witnesses. Again no magic, just fact. They are two people and absolutely they need to meet. Nothing anywhere indicates they have met yet. Not even remotely, no one nowhere at all is even close at saying they seen them somehow someway, though many claim to be them. I strongly suspect they need a couple years together before they tell the rain to stop so starting the TRIB. Yet how often do you hear anyone preaching about these TWO? Do a search, very very rare can you find a site that really deals with the TWO realistically and rarer if at all that they have any sort of life before their ministry. Their ministry is a good part to shake the CHURCH. Elijah is a Name the Bible gives one of those TWO. Probably Moses the other. This does not mean they are the real Moses and Elijah. The TWO were born and are ordinary people and not related to the Bible’s namesake except in symbolism.

Christians you are not ready and you cannot get yourself ready. You are in a shell. Hey God knows what he is doing, it is supposed to be this way. Hard to believe the ancient people of God can so often be so disobedient, but really you are the same. The shell on wheat protects it, so actually you insubordination to God actually formed a shell that protects you from falling away. You so think you are right and a good Christian that you can’t fall that easy because what your disobedience has done created a protective shell, but for wheat to be editable it has to be broken out of its shell and so do you. It will take 1260 to break open that shell during that time you will likely turn your backs on Jesus and help antichrist kill the TWO. Finally broken out of your shell you can see clearly that the rain is gone and that it is your faith that shines so ready to be Plucked off Earth properly clothed in your wedding gown.

How will God use gay in the end times

2010-09-28T09:26:00.001-07:00

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Hi John,

Donald Foster

Donald says, "Hi, my name is Donald I am a Facebook friends affirming apostle; affirming Pentecostal I would like to make you a friend. I am gay but I do have problem with gay marriage thing which I am for / civil union but I can't find the Bible that doesn’t talk for or really against it. I know gays aren't sodomite male temple prostitute. How will God use gay in the end times prophecies. thank a bunches.”

Thanks,

This link shows you how to think about finding gays in the Bible http://www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Centurion.html. Greek and Hebrew often thinks of marriage as the main spouse owns the other spouse. Even when you read the word married in the Bible the Husband owns the wife as though she is property and a slave. Marriage is pretty much a business proposition in Bible days. Knowing this tracking gay marriages is easier. http://www.gaychristian101.com/Eunuchs-Are-Gay.html covers a pretty good explanation of how to find gays in the Bible and ancient days, but http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/thesis.htm goes into greater detail. http://www.gaychristian101.com/David-and-Jonathan.html goes into the possible gay relationship. Other books and scholars say the words of Saul can only be he knew David and Jonathon were having sex. Bible phrases like “uncovering nakedness” is describing sex acts: 30 Then Saul's anger was kindled against Jonathan, and he said unto him, Thou son of the perverse rebellious woman, do not I know that thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy mother's nakedness?

Usually gays being gay can read material and see it talks about gays, while str8 has to think in str8 terms so need to explain it into a meaning that doesn’t hint to being gay. As a gay person reading David’s love story with Jonathan we can relate that this is a love story between two guys. Furthermore reading all David’s sex life we find he really never had a good marriage or really love with women. David had hundreds of wives and concubines. His first marriage was marrying two women who husbands were killed in war helping David fight. This was “YOUR DUTY” law. We see David committed murder sending a woman’s husband to the front lines. You just can’t read in the Bible David really satisfied in a opposite sex relationship. He DID promise Jonathan his faithful love and did keep that promise.

Ruth and Naomi have been shown to be in a lesbian relationship.

Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. (KJV)

In those days one of the most impossible to find is str8 men in the same bed. It was just not done for any reason. Wish as one might try to do to get 2 str8 men in bed together in that 1^st century it just not going to happen. So they would have to be gay. Now if they are gay then one has to be SAVED because open was Raptured. The other was not SAVED so remained. NOW we know many Christians marry unbelievers today and so no matter our prayers or wishes at the Rapture their unbelieving spouse will be in bed with the believing spouse and one will be taken the other remain. (our prayers for our spouses and families may get them SAVED later as the trib continues after we are gone, but they can only stay in the flesh body for another 1000 years before they get a spirit body).

Short version how God will use gays:

1948 one psychologist had gay friends perfectly adapted in life and not sick. They had good jobs and life. Her work was with colleague’s was with gay they were trying to fix as in gay was a disease and mental hospitalization was needed. Finally she realized that did not match the gays she saw and were her friends. She went with the to the gay bars too so saw many gays. She began a study on healthy gays that led in 1974 that gays were declared not a disease then later declared perfectly normal people to where today we have a 60/40 pro/con rate. A boost was in 1967 God moved on Catholic gays, 1968 Protestant gays, and in 1969 secular gays. Secular gays (which included lots of Christian gays too) started the gay rights movement. Christian gays did their homework and produced intensive studies on the Bible wrote tons off books, gone into great detail about Jesus’ and Moses’ day concerning real gays and what the Bible says and the meaning of those Bible words and settings. As you see on any talk show with pro/con on gays the pro-gay side seems to be displaying God’s love while the con-gay (supposed Christian) side seem to offer hopelessness and a non-ending discourse on the evil gays. Those against gays claimed they are Christians and those pro-gay they said were not Christian. Like as in Jesus was a red neck red state Republican thing and Blue states weren’t Christian.

Objectively we see gays always trying to educate with facts and unconditionally accepting all peoples with open arms. This naturally aspect of all gays (sure some bad apples, but those aren’t really easy to find) is to love unconditionally everyone even their persecutors (the homophobes). The gay rights movements that may march on homophobic groups never is intended to destroy anyone, just to confront them saying we are people. Gay rights movements follow the pattern of any rights movement, though many other movements often had some violence caused by the movement, that is rare if not even found in gay rights movements.

Most gays are not so aware of this built in nature they have as reconcilers. All the ground work really is done, gay rights is close at hand hey 60/40 not 40/60 is pretty good. Christian gays have their Christian churches. Gay Christian internet site abound. We are about ready for the next phase from God. But intensely bad times for all Christians needs to get underway where huge numbers begins to turn their backs on Jesus (The Great Falling Away). I go into detail on this on my sites and TV programs. "Gays For Jesus" TV 24/7 http://www.livestream.com/gays4jesus .

All gays by their GOD given nature and Gay Christians having that GOD given nature plus PERSONALLY God’s love through the many gay Christian outreaches and Bible research showing gay is not sin will be ready, I think is ready TODAY should something happen, to go to fallen Christians and help them back to Jesus. This will shock the especially homophobic fallen. They WHY? We so persecuted you and you with open arms tell us Jesus has not left us and wants us back. Gays will mostly all of them will forgive their persecutors openly and lovingly.

Many fallen will return to Christ via the gay witness.

God rose a false region up giving it superpower status from comment by Robert soundman22001@yahoo.com

2010-09-22T11:41:00.001-07:00

Robert same rhetoric from yet another factless homophobe

From: Robert [mailto:soundman22001@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:24 PM
To: gaysforjesus647@gmail.com
Subject:

John,

I have to say that I am a bit concerned with some of the things on your Face book page. It seems as if there are some discrepancies in some of the information that you are posting based upon the gospels. I have a very hard time

gays4jesus: Robert like all homophobes thinks reading a verse is enough. Being conditioned to think rape and prostitution and orgies is perfect defining of an orientation so long as it is gays is how you read the Bible. As we will see he uses a few verses but never even attempts to explain what word or phrase made the verse about gays.

He use this part of my post: Robert says: “with this one…”
God has a very specific plan and call for gays in the Last days. I don't talk about it much as it seems to be a never ending effort to reach the Church concerning their condemnation of gays. Today nearing 60% in some polls showing positiveness towards gays even including marriage now it this higher percentage it may be time I can spend effort is present God's call to gays. There is a very detailed progress of the stages God did in getting gays where they are today. It can actually be said that one woman psychologist in the late 40s started it secularly. God first had to get the process started with the direction to get gays off being classified as a disease. That would take 26 years. A few years before that God began to work with gay Christians. 1st Catholics 1967, then protestants 1968. The in 1969 the operating machinery for any type rights movement began for gays "the secular gay rights movement". NOW about 40 years later we are arriving at a 60% positive poll ratings appearing more often. This is the background for what is to come.

Scripturally this is something that is wrong. Jesus and the apostles specifically mention that homosexuality is a sin and that relations between men is something to be abhorred. Where did you get these numbers at? Clearly you have been polling in the wrong areas. Sodom was destroyed for just this kind of thinking.

gays4jesus: Homophobes wants the percentage to be 1% this number can’t even support the ex-gay ministries alone. Small in numbers ex-gays would no doubt need to be cut in half or more to support a 1% figure. Where did I get that number? Like all homophobes they hate facts they hate studying, they hate reading easily available testimonies and profiles that are usually a click away from the gay name they saw and so sent their hatred to. Had Robert taken the time to look at my profile and other gays he would find more links to more details about “how I come up with 10%” The Earth has nearly 7 billion people and in Christianity we say so far 6,000 years has gone by since God created man. Science used millions of years for mankind. This means with especially today having the internet, we can study history and present day. On my sites I explain I began researching way before I accepted Jesus and I started my sites back in the days on no internet in the BBSs days. Before that I lived and breathed reading about ancient times and world history and culture and science facts. When I accepted Jesus the final note was when I told God “if he were truth I would accept him” 30 days later events took me to an alter where I accepted Jesus. Before that I had already seen are read about gay organizations all over the world. You see Robert there is a gay community with a communication system called gay newspapers. They are like any news reporting agency with reporters, you know the routine. Being a gay newspaper they focus on gay news. Again this is a big world and so endless news sources concerning all the countries concerning gays. I can go into detail about that but only wanting to make the point of the huge number of sources to get gay fact worldwide shows even simple math easily makes 10%. As I said I got tons of info on my sites talking about my personal ministry throughout the world. I tell readers that at least one person in every country has seen my TV program. I may have at best guess wish facts calculation and all means in some fashion have at least 1 million people that have contacted me. I am suspecting more because site tracking is getting more sophisticated. Where before it may say 20 hits further tracking show 195 separate views. YouTube was seeming like maybe a couple thousand at best, but the tracker adds the total to be over 50,000 so who knows. For a fact I was in many Christian chat rooms when they first came on line (AOL, YAHOO, Prodigy etc.) Each room then held 50 people and you can go a few to several rooms deep before you start getting less than 50. This was around 1985 and for a few years I (the name gays4jesus) was the only openly gay person in those rooms. This met the moment I went into the room I was attacked by most of the 50 that were in the room. I had several accounts going so I could be in several rooms at the same time. I spent many hours a day (can get habit forming for sure, but with so many people non-stop condemning attacking and asking questions and more I often could not leave as it was exciting that God was using me to minister to so many) it took a few years before other openly gay Christians let alone any other gay person to begin showing up and speaking as a gay person openly. I don’t need to brag, but it is a point I am making about my credentials I literally was the first as there were no other chat rooms on the internet these were it. All other chat rooms of the day was very slow and a process to chat and very few people. It was “gays4jesus” since 1985 and earlier with my 6 line BBS called gays4jesus that confronted daily Christians. So I heard every imaginable way homophobes say gay is sin. NONE and I do mean NONE explain how they get gays in the Bible. At best they quote a verse. I know the Bible and the verse so really what is the point to quote it to me again? I want to know that you know what it means, so I ask over and over again, I plead, I beg, but nothing can get a homophobe to explain a verse. After all my pleading they just re-quote the verse. Often using modern versions (50,000 to 80,000 corruptions).

So personally in all this my worldwide ministry personal contacts with both negative and positive concerning the gay issues I have seen way more than enough to confirm reality 10% gays. Countries I never heard of Islands so tiny never knew existed gays contact me. Deepest darkest Africa, deep in China everywhere with generally the same story concerning how they came to know they were gay. A weird outcome of my name gays4jesus is str8 flock to me for Christian advice, pastors around the world pop up in chat to talk to me, Parents ask me how to raise up junior, dating single str8s want advice. All some weird reason think I can help them because they think God is with me. I am amazed and phrase God how is uses this name he gave me when I had to figure out a very short title for my TV programs as the station had a character generator that could not show small print, after prayer first run was Jesus4gays,, that was a disaster as in chat rooms short cuts are taken and so I was being called Jesus, well I just am not Jesus and have no desire to take Glory from him so I reverse it to gays4jesus. So, as it were I’ve been polling for over 40 years.

1Timothy 1:8-11: “Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and the disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and the profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the glorious gospel of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.”

gays4jesus:
1Timothy 1:8-11 8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. KJV

all modern versions has 50,000 to 80,000 corruptions as they are from Westcott and Hort’s translation which became the Church of England’s official Bible and all modern version comes from. Arsenokoites was used never before Paul by Greeks and 76 times after Paul in the next 14 centuries. Christian writers used the word 56 times including the 2 Paul used. Never were there any hints to the word meaning gays in all that time and uses. Robert how did you make it mean gay? What’s more in the USA the verse was not used to mean gay until a clergy convention in 1850 where the word was discussed. Previous in the USA it was taught MBs would not inherit, they agreed everyone MB’d so Heaven would be empty so they decided together to use gays won’t inherit since no one would feel upset about this group to mean arsenokoites, after all for the previous 600 years there were 12 verses used in the false anti-gay doctrine. In 1946 in the 1^st modern version the 2 Greek words removed and homosexual inserted. In Paul’s day more than 9 Greek words were available to Paul that would today mean gays. Paul sort of invented a word which retained it Hebrew meaning “male temple prostitutes” the other word was specifically referring to expensive call boys (a Paul’s day thing for wealthy Corinthians). There are tons of different ways arsenokoites was taught so tell me how are you right today?

One thing that stands out here in another passage that really makes me think in all of this is 1Corinthians 6:9-11: “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither will the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” But wait..”And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”

gays4jesus: answered in the 1 Tim above.

This means, and assuming you must have some background in biblical studies, that you have changed your ways and have left the sin behind to follow the Lord in all that you do. This does not mean that you have a free pass to continue doing what is wrong in the first place, but that you have truly repented and left that former life behind.

gays4jesus: You should not have to assume my background as I often state my background to homophobes for the purpose of showing how they just assume so much. FACT FACT FACT when a person comes to Christ and accept his work on the Cross they do a visible 180 degree turn from how they were heading before that. This means every human that accepts Jesus will display a behavior able to be seen by others. Sometimes very dramatic changes happen other time some changes takes months or years. One Christian cannot and should never judge this process. You not judge a condition is required which if not visible means you are not saved. There is one condition that shows you are not SAVED and that is not believing Jesus is the Son of God and or rejecting Jesus work on the Cross meaning “John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (KJV)” all else is a daily walk where God who wrote HIS LAWS on that new Christian’s Heart and Jesus who now has a personal relationship with that New Christian is on-going.

Christians so often create sin list and demand them to be obeyed condemning non-obedience as that person is going to hell. COP out is the phrase “free pass to sin” You really need to get with real life and not fantasy what ifs. Christian do not come to Christ just to have license to sin. People come to Jesus to walk with him in a 24/7 relationship from then on. They are not trying to get away with any sin they can. This is so very stupid to have to add into any conversation about God is the stupidity that coming to Jesus that is it that kind of common to sin all the more. I rebuke you for implying anything about any sort of free to sin concept then applying it to those you just don’t like. The word REPENT is so abused it almost makes the word a cuss word unfortunately. Repenting is not whatever you wish to be a sin is stopped. The 180 degree turn people make when they accept Jesus is a huge visible display of repentance. Their 24/7 walk with Jesus is a daily devotion to repentance and a full willingness to change their lives as led by GOD.

Repenting is not when some homophobe say gay is sin so you got to become str8. If you truly believe gay is sin why don’t you explain it, so far every verse you used is not only showing you do not know Bible origins and you are using the corrupt version conditioning yourself to accept anti-christ as more deceptions are brought forth, you never even give anything at all to show that a verse talks about gays. Recently a homophobe told me yes yes Romans 1 is indeed about ritual orgies to other gods, but is still condemns gays because in the orgies there are MEN (plural) with MEN (plural) having sex together even though in Paul’s and Moses’ day it was like 100% of sex to other gods were str8s going to temple prostitutes. Somehow someway they said since men were with men in the orgy it condemn all gays. Even though in the same orgy str8 sex was the main stay somehow this does not mean all str8s. We have temples with wall to wall carvings inside and out of sex acts of all kinds depicted in the ritual worship. It is almost all str8 acts. How ever can any one mistake these ritual orgies as a way to condemn gays? REAL gays are in the usual meet date love marry and as a couple not an orgy group. I have been with my lover for 21 years. Gay bar scene is a drop in the bucket as most gays don’t go to bars many may as in their youth looking for a partner just like str8 do once found someone they disappear. I do not speak this as a wish but t by an 8 yr study on the gay bar scene. The gay bar scene is really not a lot different than the str8 bar scene. Most str8s and most gays again don’t go to bars. I also spent around 10 years in the gay church community. Yet in all this my life is deep in the center of str8 life all around and gay fit right in almost never known to be gay and so are in complete confidence of the str8s, Even when str8s knows someone is gay they still act their str8 life out so gays knows gay life and str8 life. This I am saying is not a hint to the fertility sex Paul and Moses had to deal with amongst Christian men and men of God in those days. These to famous Bible characters spent a lot of their life deal with str8 Hebrew men going to the fertility temples for ritual sex. In those very ancient days were real gays and there were terms used to talk about them. It requires what homophobe refuse to do “study” but it is not that hard to find gays in those days and they had nothing to do with the subject Paul and Moses were addressing. Mostly they were a non-issue and it was no biggy in those days.

Leviticus 18 talks about unlawful sexual relations dealing with married and unmarried, coveting your neighbors wife, daughter in law and in verse 22 it says this….”You shall not lie with a male, as with a woman; for it is an abomination.” This is something that has to be paid attention to. Moses passed this on to the Israelites and it is also passed onto us if we believe the Bible to be the inspired word of God.

gays4jesus: http://s91536390.onlinehome.us/gaysforjesus/HebrewGrammer.htm I am sure like most homophobes you will refuse to go to this link. However, "v'es zaachaar lo tishkav mishk'vey ishaw to'eyvaa hi." Your mentioned verse the word man means “practicing str8 man” English renders it “man” Hebrew is not English and has more than one word for man. The verse means str8 Hebrew men often went to fertility temples along to way to the Promise Land for ritual sex with the “male temple prostitutes” This was acts done to other gods (abomination) because God’s people were like a wife so it is an adulteress act to go to these other gods (womankind: adulteress woman). In ch. 20:13 the death penalty is given. This is not a wishy washy the law should execute them after a court decision of guilt. Hebrew LAW was very distinct on how to kill and who would kill. Those that brought the charge were required to STONE to death the one they accused. History never shows anyone killing gays based on this verse, lots of gays killed Hitler gassed 50,000, but none based on your verse. If you believe like you said and you believe Lev. Then why are you disobeying God and not stoning to death gays?

The final thought I wish to leave you is this from Revelation 21 in talking about the New Jerusalem. Verse 22-27 focusing on 27: “And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.

gays4jesus: I am a last Days TV preacher, I go into deep details concerning the endtimes are you opening up a can of worms trying to show me you think you know something?

And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the Glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb. By its light the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, and its gates will never be shut by day, and there will be no night there. They will bring into it the glory and honor of the nations. But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.”

gays4jesus: ahh you are a judge after all, instead of explaining how you get gays in the verses you used you go into not only killing gays but killing them eternally by you forbidding them into the Kingdom.

I am not judging you in this situation, that is the duty of God and Christ Jesus.

gays4jesus: you are judging, stating you are not is a lie. You have not shown how you get gays to be sin, you showed str8s going to fertility gods and this is your way of condemning all gays to hell with out hope in God.

I am merely pointing this out to you where from the the posts on your page bring the false testimony of our Lord and Savior Jesus. For your background I am a pastor as well and have been now for 11 years.

gays4jesus: My calling is to pastors I urge you to consider that. I am not wishing or guessing this calling I am called. This is not a fly by night statement but I would suggest to you that you treat me like your own pastor for that is my call. If you reject this you are rejecting your pastor. I am not interested if you believe or don’t believe that I am your pastor. What will happen will happen according to my calling given by God and it is not something I would think you would like. If you check out my ministry’s theme you might get an idea what I am saying. Not sure what your read in my badge all it says in my TV program’s name “Gays For Jesus”

You being a pastor for 11 years hmmm you are just a young puppy you better start resecting your elders. My Pastor’s pastor call came in 1974 my ministry as Gays For Jesus began in 1985, my TV programs also began in 1985. I am Assemblies of God since 1974. My statement of faith is exactly AOG’s I been to many many churches as a secular job requirement. This means for around 10 years I was required to take groups of 20 to Sunday school and church services and many churches. What happens when the pastors comes over to me they sense Jesus and tell me so and they confide in me and tell me al they see in me is Jesus. In my home church the pastor often confides in me, though there were 3000 in the church besides his board and staff any things that touches him deeply about concerns on how his church is going he talks to me. This is history. I can go into many such stories of those that seem to only see Jesus in me, now those that saw me on TV and that my screen name gays4jesus and reacted homophobically I have many a strange story and many stories about what happened concerning their ministry. Prophetically homophobic pastors are in for a shock. But also I got plenty to say about pastors no matter how ill prepared they are for the coming days. You should listen to me it will get you a head start to me better able to handle what will come to your church in those days. Don’t listen to me won’t stop what will happen and so you will have to adjust by experiencing it. A gay is sin doctrine won’t hack it in those days, you will quickly find that out.

Numbers of situations matter not.

gays4jesus: numbers of situations matters not? What a cop out. Why do we need to stay in school to 12^th grade. Why do athletes need to practice and practice? Heads of companies are not there by magic but much trial and errors. Why do we need to read and re-read and read again the Bible? You are telling 11 years of your pastorship is meaningless? You don’t mean a thing, you never changed certain things because you found a better way of correct errors you found you had? I certain hope I get a doctor that did many many operations before he did me. Hope he had all the various problems instead of me being the Ginny pig. So you are telling me 800,000 homophobe won’t tell me everything possible that a homophobe can come up with. You are telling me 3 hours talking with Mossad (Hebrew: המוסד‎, Arabic: الموساد‎), meaning "institute" or "institution" in Hebrew, known in full as the Institute for Intelligence and Special Operations or talking with senator about last days was useless. They came to me I did not go to them. How about situation where first handers came to me with what they saw and what they did regarding secret things. Guess situations are useless for anyone that talks about things regarding their topics. But hey homophobes can’t accept Jesus loves gays and shows them things. Beyond all my personal situations I have nightly visions for God about the coming days. I have over 200 Assemblies of God pastors that called me up so they could prophesy over me. I suppose they were false prophets right? Such a cop out to toss out someone’s 64 years of life because that would me maybe they have something important to tell you that might change you false doctrine on gays.

What I have or have not done is something between myself and God and I feel that as a human I have done my best to walk the walk that Jesus has commanded us to walk.

gays4jesus: So why them can’t you accept a gay Christian personal walk with the Lord and they are doing like you their best? Your interpretation is yours, there are 7 billion today some say at least when there were 5 billion that all that ever live is equal to the number alive today. Polls say anywhere up to 1/3 or more in the world are Christian. Who’s interpretation is right? Yours? Or should we study or don’t need to get real involved in some issues that really is not a big part of your life. Well gays are a huge part of people’s lives. 700 million gays makes 1.4 billion parents then add siblings and co-workers and friends and the number your condemnation soars. So y really need to know your topic more than a modern version Bible quote of a verse.

We as Christians are to help keep each other accountable and we are also told to stand for truth. With that I have said my peace and feel that the spirit has led me to this decision.

gays4jesus: we are not Gestapo we are to comfort one another not police one another. What is it with you don’t trust Jesus? Why don’t you go police str8 guys. Didn’t you see that CNN woman reporter recently she did a story on Craig’s list. She place an ad within in 3 hours she had 15 phones calls str8 men want to pay her for sex. The military has monthly training on hookers how to look at their doctor’s book, the color of the type if one color don’t have sex it means she has a std. They teach clean up after sex with a hooker and more. We pay taxes to teach soldiers since they will go to hookers the safest way to do it. In my hooch there were 16 guys one married a couple with fiancée and they shacked up with a prostitute they met. The other knew the prices of the key places of hookers with doctor’s exam books. We can get deep in the Rape a gang bangs and much more. Yet you as pastor will talk about gays? Don’t you have a clue about rampant str8 sex sin? Hardly mentioned are the famous sports figure that boast of 2000 sexual female partners. In the work place it is sex sex sex by str8, not much they seem to be able to talk about it seems sometimes but for you you want to go into the bedroom of gay couples that are faithful and monogamous. WHY? If the spirit led you to the decision about saying your peace then back it up in the Bible. I believe you are right you said enough led by the Spirit so as you can hear what I have to say Pastor. Maybe God is telling you to take up my challenge. http://s91536390.onlinehome.us/gaysforjesus/challenge.htm at this link I give my challenge. Invite me to speak. You and your church use and preach and call on God to do all you know how in Christ Jesus to do, cast out demon and whatever taking as long as youo need even fasting and prayer if you think it is a demon requiring such. Then it will be my turn I will make it very very fair It will be JUST me and just your whole church which you can invite other church to come join in my challenge. Lets see if God will move on your behalf that gay is sin or my behalf that gay is not sin. Remember I am cheating I already know God will move on gay IS NOT sin. You know your “situation” thing.

Just for your reference, I have been involved with many who are former gays that have given their lives to Christ, not by beating them into submission but by loving on them as Christ would and pointing out the same things I have to you. I am not trying to be a savior but a servant. The one quote I put from your page is just but one thing that I find offensive to our Lord Jesus and I am sure that when the time comes you will know what his thoughts are as well.

gays4jesus: You still think I am stupid, you are not very respectful at all, you just assume I must be so ignorant. I am also an expert in the ex-gay movement. First example it the first major movement of ex-gays in early 1970s called Exodus International. From whence comes ex-movement as we know it today. Here is the link of the founder of Exodus http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=166704399994&ref=search His story reads like most ex-gay leaders and founders. I have personally talked with many, many have found my site and tell me they are no longer ex-gay. Many others that I wrote long letters to and some are on my web page still decades ago today are expressing a total different view of gays. Exodus International is even seeing signs of not able to maintain operations. I got detailed testimonies of over 100 ex-gay leaders. Anytime an ex-gay come to me telling me they change it takes at most 4 questions to find out they have not changes. They usually admit they are still struggling. As a rule ex-gays last 1 to 2 years some cases longer sort of depend on the dependence they got into of the groups they joined. Ex-gay leaders and founders last up to 8 yrs again depending on the wide spread publicity they might have. Today ex-gay ministries have been operating from experience of failures and have tried various designs to keep leaders longer. In ex-gay leader private circles they talk like they are gay secretly so really living a lie publicly. Ex-gay can go into 20 30 years in a married life before it all they can take and they do things that get them caught.

When you say former gays and given their lives to Christ you imply being gay mean not giving your life to Christ. With so many gay churches (meaning born again, or otherwise as any denomination as they remain in the mainline denomination it is not some sort of satan church as you may wish) Gay Christian are not fly by night flaky Christians. Remember they have to live in a world where pastors like you condemn them. They are persecuted by you. Like Christian in history and many places in the world today Christian often had to adjust to the life around them. Gay Christians have to weed through your hate and dig harder for the truth than you ever thought was a concept.

You will find many many things in the future before Jesus returns that will seem offensive to you so much so as you may join the great falling away. The Great falling away is not you seeing some of your congregation leaving. It is because sign in great deceptions seem to say that man over there is Jesus after all. You might not be able to accept what God coming messenger are going to tell you. The more you hear them speak the more you will think about turning your back on Jesus. This is the GREAT falling away. This is what cause huge numbers to turn their backs on Jesus. Thinking you will survive is being blind to the intent of Both God and satan. Satan has a 5000 year plan and preparation period, we are at the in the last 10 or 20 years of this. The extent of the details of the plans for Christians of today is immense. satan did not make these goals for a sudden new batch of revival Christians. People born again in those days came by way of the new messengers sent by God they are not going to fall prey so easy to satan’s wiles. But old timers meaning today’s Christians so full on sermons thinking they know it all that is his target and he knows how and he has God’s permission. God set a time to shake the Church a 1260 period. It is that time that Christians gets their Wedding Gowns on. They don’t fit Christians are so fat and so lazy it will take 1260 days of dieting and exercise to be able to wear their Wedding Gown. This time is the fulfillment of Lev. 26 the 4^th level of disobedience. 1/3 will come through the refiner’s fire. For the Rapture to be able to Pluck you off Earth it needs you to be wearing your Wedding Gown a requirement because the very first thing we are going to do after meeting Jesus in the air is marry him. We need to be ready and dressed for the occasion. Those that aren’t will not be Raptured. If you die first you get your fitting at Death’s gate like all the other will that died in Christ.

You are beating gay using the Bible as a club. In 1967 God began moving in gay Christians training them for ministry in the Last days. You have no clue because you don’t know anything about what God is doing in the gay community. You soon will and I really can imagine you will be ready for it.

You can do with this what you want. I myself will move on as I have said what I have been led to say.

gays4jesus: I am sorry, but you can’t just move on. Did you forget you came to “gays4jesus” I did not go to you. You are under the anointing of this ministry. I don’t have to do a thing because it is not me but God. From this day forward saith the Lord life as you know it will begin to change and will bring you back to this issue until you begin to truly study. Events probably won’t be really that fun for you and yours. Words and reasoning can’t touch your heart sadly the Bible tells us plagues and other disasters is God’s preferred method of spanking his people. The Church as a whole will be shaken. God raises up superpowers to spank his people then destroys those countries he spent so long rising up. The Church in in 4^th level disobedience. God rose a false region up giving it superpower status. God spent since what 600ad rising up this religion that today is sweeping the world. They believe their religion must be the only religion in the world and any means to get it is godly. But once it has done its job God will destroy in an instance. 5/6 of its army will be destroyed at one moment. No power become strong unless God rises it. Islam can be getting strong on its own. God is raising up Islam to spank Christians. Don’t get me wrong Islam is the visible source not the powerhead. They take orders they don’t decide actions. But by you contacting me and saying your hatred of gays, you initiate a personal move to change your life as you know it. Hopefully you will remember this and come back to testify what happen to you. It is kind of cool to hear of lives changed by God.

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Missing in most predictions and Prophecy interpretations

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Missing in most predictions and Prophecy interpretations

I find it difficult sometime to understand why so many predators no matter their sources, even from God of the Bible in real visions. I have no problem that people get real visions. Also, much of those that search and try to explain what they see is about to happen, and those suppose non-Christian psychics can be pretty good too. At least they are fun and entertaining and generally gives you the idea time is about up.

Christians don’t have a lot of excuse since all is to be confirmed in the Bible. But that gives way to how we suppose to know what it actually means. So it is lots of guessing so very good guessing. Lots of wishing we all want to know the future right?

Non-Christians can be used by God to get messages out. We don’t have to reject them sight unseen. God is telling us in no uncertain term the time is up get ready. God is not going to wait for you to figure it all out. But my beef about predictors is they seem to all miss so important factors. Sometimes unbelievers got a more clear view because all they can do is say it like the see it and add in other unbeliever sources and they will add in Christian sources as well.

Christians get the vision and listen to God then interpret it as to their current understanding. They should know all things from God will the Bible will not refute. The Bible can be very vague or quiet, but will at least be of such that it would at least not be saying it is not true so such a vision is great to ponder. Other visions no matter how real and dramatic and no matter what details God gives if it is completely different in the bible then two things can be. The person receiving the vision miss-interpreted it and assumed it meaning because they used nothing to confirm it and thought just because they got it then it is true.

Absolutely visions are an exciting and emotional and often life changing ordeals. This does not make them true in and by the person getting the vision interpretation of it. One person had a vision and often God would show him hell and the people there-in. The vision showed the person having the vision taken to hell to witness to one that went to hell that by doing so he could get that person released from hell. Nice to think maybe that if you did not accept Jesus you would get a second chance by saved people willing to go to hell (as it would not be fun for sure) to witness to the unsaved so they can then go to heaven. I do not doubt that persons vision, he detailed it and them to me over many interviews. God is God, can we think at some point we can go get the people in hell and bring them to heaven? Well the Bible just does not seem to say we get a second chance from inside hell.

The above vision (fabulously told because I only gave skimpy details) cannot become general practiced belief, because just really can’t back it up in the Bible. There are no side line marginal groups presenting strong data showing how the Word of God might actually say at some point some of us may be assign if we accepted to go get people out of hell.

Other iffy visions have been shown that the Bible does support their possibility and many visions have become very believable and accepted and hoped for and have strong Bible support. There are many really wild prophecies and predictions most people won’t accept, but are almost a shoe-in to happen. Now it is more common to find each new year most vision related predictions are for fairly violent changes in life as we know it. 2010 -2012 years shows the worst ever predictions and prophecies and visions. It is rare to find such that say good things are coming, Some will say after the worst happens it will be paradise-like.

So what is wrong with all this? They are missing some of the most important factors. Especially when it comes to Christian visions. TBN aired a documentary a 6-8 year in a car accident while being taken to the Hospital saw is dad thrown out of the car and angels caught him. Impossible physically to see unless being shown it. God told him he now will take him to another part of Heaven because he did not want the boy to remember the accident. Later the boy talked about being in God’s palace. Cool story and sure the boy was certain somewhere. He did not say God said it was his palace, se do we assume it was God’s Palace? Well we can read a throne in Heaven so there is Bible support for a place where a thrown could be. I never heard the boy say Jesus by name. So was god really Jesus, but the boy assume he was God (well Jesus is God). The Bible say God is Glorified through His Son Jesus Christ. Trinity stuff is confusing at times.

One famous preacher on TBN said he went to Heaven (near death thing) [extremely shorten story] he decided to look between his legs considering sex in heaven does he got a thingy. He told TBN viewers no it was smooth. Where is Bible for that? No marrying or giving in marriage? Besides he was not dead and he did not leave his physical body and put on his future incorruptible spirit body so he should have thought this is my concept or God just giving me a tour and so what I look like has nothing to do with actual spirit body in the future at the rapture or rising of the dead. The Bible state a few time about angels having sex with Earth women. Or rather something Heaven ward does, but never anywhere does it tell you guys get a gals look in Heaven.

Point above is we all love to hear vision stories. I sure love it. BUT we also need to use out God given brains to study and show ourselves approved of God. Jesus is a personal Savior and your best friend and will show you things as you can grasp the gest of why you are seeing them. Some said they saw Paul in a park in front of heaven and family reunions and such. They saw old folk and kids too. Where does it say gramps will be in Heaven? Do you want to be old as the hills in Heaven or at your peak? Will kids be stuck as a kid forever? So explaining it as Heaven does not make it a Heaven setting. Now when we die we are waiting (asleep) this could mean not getting younger or older and has nothing to do with your dead body changing into a spirit body.

We should listen eagerly to visions and ponder them and enrich your hope through them, but season it with the WORD of God. Each person can get visions, but they are not a prophet, nor can they know the depth of meaning in the Bible. Ancient Israel is deep in meaning we can’t get easily in Sunday meeting at church. Sometimes if you have a pastor that know this stuff you can get a glimpse at the richness of the WORD of God and how modern day rendering can’t bring out important parts. Today everyone has access to so much knowledge and so easily there is almost no excuse to accept something so blindly without a little browsing. It is important for many to understand these Last Days as so many more are going to need your help.

Missing in most visions and prophecy teaching is for instants the TWO WITNESSES. How often do you hear about these TWO? They are so significant in the Last Days and get no one seems to take them seriously. They will be hated and probably you will be helping antichrist kill them. This is huge prophecy and these TWO cannot be out of interpretation of visions. If you have a vision and the vision does not seem to show anything about the TWO you still have to understand the TWO will be here and will be major effecting ALL Christians. We have a Tsunami or Earthquake or other, was it an act of God, natural, was it a machine the Government has, or did the TWO command it?

We love everything about Prophecy teaching we have hungry ears, but why is one of the most important people of Prophecy not spoken of? (Note: this is also prophecy). So many such teacher explain away the TWO by really swaying so far away from scripture it is amazing how you can’t see the flaw. God out a photo of one of the TWO Witness on the moon. The image on the moon looks like a black and white photo of the neck up. It starts at the south pole and goes to the north pole. I have seen it for a couple decades. Hey, I get TWO Witnesses vision very often so my bias will be that photo like young man on the moon must be one of the ones that will be at the left or right side of Jesus. Do you think the Person God chose/picked however to sit and Jesus right and left side would not be etched in many places?

Well, is there Bible. Again, you may not or can’t find direct verses that state specifically it is talking about them. A few verses are very very specific. Then when you know a lot about history and ancient events and culture and word meaning coupled with leading from God to see things and revelations and more, you can read their life story in the Bible. There sin, where they are from and how they meet and when from then their ministry will start. Lots of this is my own perspective of what God has shown me, but I have done plenty of homework and tons of prayer and weighed visions deeply with the Bible. I could get more detailed of visions that do not yet have a specific Bible hint as to could be. I saw the TWO in a open jeep with several other in that jeep (very crowded) with the imperative determination to be in Jerusalem by 9pm that night and the sun already going down with bombs in the surrounding area as the jeep headed for Jerusalem. Flash next day. Almost a movie set not looking much like Jerusalem but the vision indicated it was somewhere there. The TWO came out of a building on one side of the street (a dirt street) antichrist sitting with several others at a table on the other side silently. The TWO knew they were going to be killed as they crossed the street. They crossed and a small plane flew over with a machine gun and shot them, the one died and the other (also known as Elijah) was alive and drug himself to antichrist. Antichrist looked at him saying nothing and Elijah said it is finished and died.

This Witness death was the Bible verse that said “the last that should die died” After that The Rapture can happen, but does not right away with maybe 75 more days before that happens. Now as I said I have had so many TWO WITNESSES visions often of the one that is “Elijah” he has seen antichrist a number of times in a number of situations. Preparing for war antichrist in charge, but Elijah is standing by him. Assume in the vision is antichrist knows he cannot kill him at that time and can’t even tell him to leave, so the Witness just is walking around viewing the war preparations. Other similar episodes where Elijah and antichrist were within talking distance and antichrist knew and saw him but remain silent and did not tell security to stop him.

Wild dreams for sure, but at least some vague scriptures allude to this sort of behavior during those 1260 days.

Many of my night visions are about great destruction all around and churches (pastors) really ignorant about the last days as it turned out not to be pre-trib and they may not be really great churches. I will say it like this. It does not matter your doctrine right or wrong or how good you served of bad you did not serve or how many or how few in your church. You have a church that is all that is required in the Last Days. You will not bring people to Christ or be much of a partaker in the revival in how people are getting saved. Your Glory is used up and wastes. Again PASTORS your glory is used up and mostly wasted. You will be of little use in last days in the fields where the harvest is ripe. BUT hordes of people will flock in your church, they will flood though your doors and starving for the Word of God. Your doctrines they are not interested in your church process can’t work. Saith the Lord God you will learn on the job training how to minister to these that come in hungry for God WORD. Nothing matters about your past manner. It is like a hospital in peaceful times they have every handy to operate get full pay for work done by appointment well paid good life, then suddenly plague earthquake war whatever, 1000s in one day overwhelm all the staff and doctors soon they are force to adapt to way never dreamed of to help the wound and sick. So shall you pastor be overwhelmed in those soon coming days. You will adapt God is confident of you in spite of your wicked past and disobedient ways where you decided right and wrong taking God’s Glory for yourself. What you see is God moving in a way long foretold on a disobedient Church (Lev. 26 4^th level disobedience).

Often prophecy teachers avoid what the Bible says about the Church in the Last Days. Verses that say 1/3 comes through the refiner’s fire. So many prophecies about the end times are missing in prophecy teachers teaching. Often these things are blamed on unbelievers evil and God is punishing them. But this is for Churchwide sin. Head chopping lines are not for babes in Christ, but for you supposed matured Christian filled with your pastor’s wisdom in his teachings of the Bible. Satan is not so much at war with the huge numbers of new Christians, they will gladly give their lives, it is you that are mature he has hope to turn you from Jesus and made plenty of deceptions that will convince many. Screams at the chopping block you will hear. You that thought you will not see it.

God has prepared an army to rescue you if that be possible. Often those you persecuted will rescue you. There are hints in the Bible some very clear to this, but would Hal Lindsey for instance tell you your family maybe killed in your site? Prophecy teacher like him and it seems most rely on your support, would you keep listening if they told you other prophecies that shows how even you might turn your backs on Jesus? In ancient days the kings kept prophets that bid them good fortunes and favor in wars. Prophets that told them true prophecies about coming end to their reign if they did not get in line they often killed. Today we sit back to listen to all the bad things coming to us but we think we will miss most of it while the Bible says you it was designed for. We say we long for Jesus’ return and think that means a free ticket home with little pain. When we pray Jesus come quickly (as we should) we need to know that means 6 billion killed on Earth before he touches his foot on the Mt of Olive. Yes hope in his soon return but think about the billions to be killed soon and what is your life about. The first part of the TRIB is getting your Wedding Gown on. RAPTURE is not magic. Possible above to be proven scientifically if we continued on a safe enough Earth that the PLUCKING off Earth (Rapture) is not zap you are in Heaven. Heaven is a pure place, though you get a spirit body your minds spirit that was born again is not ready so nothing to the Rapture can grasp onto. The Wedding Gown is far more significant than casual thinking makes it. Jesus is to marry you and you need to be dressed for the occasion, He is not going to wait for you to dress. Being a born again Christian has nothing to do with wearing your wedding gown. It will take 1260 days to get you into a state that your Wedding Gown fits you. That is how bad 2000 years of Christianity has disobeyed God. Yes Christians and you are great wonderful people but sinners just forgiven. Though we have our life to learn about Jesus, so far death’s Gate finished the process, None has come back to tell you how that was, near death is not going through death’s gate. So we that remain and are alive need that same thing Death Gate does for the dead in Christ. About 1/3 can be refined with the refiner’s fire. The other 2/3 that died and still kept their faith gets death’s gate to get the wedding gown on. Want to be Raptured got to get through 1260 days still kicking and half the world’s population dies during that time, what’s that 50/50 chance to make it all the way?

Big part of prophecy is missing, it is the part that will help you standfast, holdfast, and persevere to the end. Begin to learn about the missing parts mainline prophecy teachers are not teaching you.

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