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The concept to support the poor through offerings is reiterated in the  New Covenant, so why wouldn&#8217;t tithing be reiterated to support the  spread of the gospel even just once?</p>
<p><strong>- In regards to tithing and the New Testament</strong>:<br />
The number one problem i had when i once believed in the tithing mandate  was that all i could see was the consistency and repetitiveness of  tithing. I could not see the other inconsistent, and incompatible errors  it has under the new covenant. Anyone can see the similarities of any  screwdriver and any screw, but it’s inconsistencies that will tell you  whether or not a screw driver will fit the screw.</p>
<p><strong>- To those who hate when I condemn prosperity preachers and their self serving ministries</strong>:<br />
&#8220;God put this religious system here. But when the nation became so sinful, He sent the Babylonains in and they destroyed the very system which he had setup.&#8221; &#8211; Jim Gables, Vineland Park Baptist Church</p>
<p>- <strong>In regards to former multi-millionaire Mark Brunnel&#8217;s bankruptcy</strong>:<br />
Why are people allowed to tithe while in bankruptcy proceedings?</p>
<p><strong>- Why require Tithing and not Circumcision?</strong>:<br />
Circumcision does not raise money. 1 Timothy 6:10</p>
<p><strong>- Tithing and Debt:</strong><br />
I forget which is right and which is wrong &#8211; to <a title="tithe in debt" href="http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/stop-tithing-get-out-of-debt/" target="_self">tithe while in debt</a>, or to gain debt while tithing?</p>
<p><strong>- Tithing Money, Food, &amp; Corruption</strong><br />
It&#8217;s important to note the reasons why the tithe was only food in the bible. It&#8217;s hard to hoard food when you can only eat so much of it. It&#8217;s quite the opposite with money . . . it seems you never have enough.</p>
<p><strong>- Tithing to your neighbor</strong><br />
If i told you to tithe to your neighbor, what would your giving look like? But if i told you to love your neighbor as yourself, now what would your giving look like?</p>


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- In regards to tithing and the New Testament:
The number one problem i had when i once believed in the [...]


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<ul>
<li><strong>Tithing</strong><span style="color: #333333;"><em><br />
Malachi   3:9<br />
You are cursed with a curse</em></span></li>
<li><strong>Spirit led giving</strong><br />
<span style="color: #333333;"><em>Acts   5:1-10<br />
But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a   possession. And he kept back part of the proceeds, his wife also being   aware of it, and brought a certain part and laid it at the apostles&#8217;   feet.</em></span><span style="color: #333333;"><em>But   Peter said, &#8220;Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the   Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself?   While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it   not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your   heart? You have not lied to men but to God.&#8221;</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #333333;"><em>Then   Ananias, hearing these words, fell down and breathed his last. So great   fear came upon all those who heard these things. And the young men   arose and wrapped him up, carried [him] out, and buried [him].</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #333333;"><em>Now   it was about three hours later when his wife came in, not knowing what   had happened.</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #333333;"><em>And   Peter answered her, &#8220;Tell me whether you sold the land for so much?&#8221;</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #333333;"><em>She   said, &#8220;Yes, for so much.&#8221;</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #333333;"><em>Then   Peter said to her, &#8220;How is it that you have agreed together to test the   Spirit of the Lord? Look, the feet of those who have buried your   husband [are] at the door, and they will carry you out.&#8221;</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #333333;"><em>Then   immediately she fell down at his feet and breathed her last. And the   young men came in and found her dead, and carrying [her] out, buried   [her] by her husband.</em></span></li>
<li> <strong>WINNER: Spirit Led Giving</strong></li>
</ul>
<h3>2. Rewards</h3>
<ul>
<li><strong>Tithing</strong><br />
<em><span style="color: #333333;">Malachi   3:10<br />
And try Me now in this,&#8221; Says the LORD of hosts, &#8220;If I will not open for   you the windows of heaven And pour out for you [such] blessing That   [there will] not [be room] enough [to receive it].</span></em></li>
<li><strong>Spirit led giving</strong><br />
<em><span style="color: #333333;">2   Corinthians 9:8<br />
And God [is] able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always   having all sufficiency in all [things], may have an abundance for every   good work. </span></em></li>
<li><strong>WINNER: TIE</strong></li>
</ul>
<h3>3. Effectiveness</h3>
<ul>
<li><strong>Tithing</strong><br />
<span style="color: #333333;"><em>Deuteronomy 14:29<br />
And the Levite, because he has no portion nor inheritance with you, and the stranger and the fatherless and the widow who [are] within your gates, may come and eat and be satisfied, that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do. </em></span></li>
<li><strong>Spirit led giving </strong><br />
<em>Acts 4:34<br />
<span style="color: #333333;">Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold,</span></em></li>
<li><strong>WINNER: Spirit Led Giving</strong></li>
</ul>
<h3>4. Cheerfulness</h3>
<ul>
<li><strong>Tithing</strong><br />
<span style="color: #333333;"><em>Matthew 23:23<br />
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier [matters] of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. </em></span></li>
<li><strong>Spirit Led Giving</strong><br />
<span style="color: #333333;"><em>2 Corinthians 9:7<br />
[So let] each one [give] as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. </em></span></li>
<li><strong>WINNER: Spirit Led Giving</strong></li>
</ul>
<h3>5. New Covenant Commands</h3>
<p><strong>Tithing</strong><br />
. . .    . . .     . . .</p>
<p><strong>Spirit Led Giving</strong><br />
<em><span style="color: #333333;">Romans 12:6-8<br />
Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, [let us use them]: if prophecy, [let us] [prophesy] in proportion to our faith; or ministry, [let us use it] in [our] ministering; he who teaches, in teaching; he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality;</span></em></p>
<p><strong><em>W</em>INNER: Spirit Led Giving</strong></p>


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<blockquote><p>Mac says:<br />
06/15/2010</p>
<p>Wow, spoken out of true ignorance. Churches are not perfect, they are run by human beings, but i have seen &#8230; alot more good and grace and mercy come through the church than our government. Here’s food for thought for you all. You think preachers have it made? Well consider this. Because a church is tax exempt they do not pay income or social security taxes on preachers. That means it is the preacher’s responsibility to pay both the employer’s portion and their own portion. Also unlike you desk jockeys, a church does not pay into preacher’s social security so if a preacher becomes disabled they are pretty much screwed. Add on top of that the fact that many churches do not provide benefits, like health insurance, etc. Churches get no government assistance whatsoever, that means they are totally dependent on &#8230; you to give donations to pay their bills and pay the pastor, etc. But since you are more concerned with buying a Starbucks latte or an apple Ipad than supporting your local church, alot of churches have to shut their doors. Until you have walked a mile in someone’s shoes don’t assume you know anything at all. I hope you read this article author man, you make me completely sick.</p></blockquote>
<p>Mac,<br />
I am a self employed individual. Every day i wake up wondering why my  next paycheck is going to come from. I wonder if God will provide me  some business today, and on top of that worry about my competition  (unlike a church). If i were to be disabled in any way, probably the  only job i could get is at a church. I started my business with no  income or contracts, with no customer base or initial converts.</p>
<p>I do not have a health, nor retirement plan. I pay full state and  federal taxes on my sales and income (unlike a church), and also have to  pay for social security for myself and as an employer.</p>
<p>Most of the people in my situation do not have the opportunity to  plead at the pulpit for more support (unlike a pastor). If i need some  sort of assistance, my church fellowship might provide some temporary  relief, but in the end i have to get off my ass and find a job and work  like the rest of the world. It’s an enlightening opportunity to actually  be a full time servant of God amongst the rest of the world.</p>
<p>My wife and I own 2 cars over 10 years old, and have worked hard to  pay them off. I have a silverado loaded with nothing(nope not even power  windows), and a toyota camry with over 190,000 miles (praying that it  will go to at least 250,000). I have a 32? old school box TV, and i do  not pay for cable. I have 1000 sq ft home with 1 child now and 1 on the  way.</p>
<p>I have worked for a church doing administrative work for about a  year, and was let go because of budget cuts.</p>
<p>I say all this not for a pat on the back or some applause, because it  really is not as hard as you or I make it sound. Mac, i’ve walked miles  in these shoes. Did i blame my clients because they didn’t choose my  services? Did i blame God during the hard times because i was  frustrated? Did i get mad at people in the Church for not giving?</p>
<p>All-in-all Mac, i think you just need to calm down. I’ve never seen a  man of God without his needs taken care of. Regardless if you are a pastor or you squeegee sewage all day; the common denominator it all boils down to with everyone is something called faith</p>
<p>I couldn’t agree more with your statement about the church and  government. The church is where grace should be coming from. Instead  most churches are willing to pass the torch off to our government. It’s  ludicrous to watch the pulpit being used to make social demands from the  government. It’s also bizarre to me that people expect to see Jesus  more from our government than from our Church – just look at hurricane  katrina.</p>
<p>There’s only one way to stop the insanity, and that’s to purify the  church of greed and corruption. We’re not going to stop all this mess at  the polls or at the next tea party rally. Political rally’s are just  band-aids on gunshot wounds. It has to come from God’s people and within  the family of God.</p>
<p>I do not apologize if the blog article offended you or if it seemed  too radical. Once again, i didn&#8217;t write my experiences to play my trumpet. I could care less about what people think.</p>
<p>Malachi 3:3-4<br />
He will sit as a refiner and a purifier of silver; He will purify the  sons of Levi, And purge them as gold and silver, That they may offer to  the LORD An offering in righteousness. Then the offering of Judah and  Jerusalem Will be pleasant to the LORD, As in the days of old, As in  former years.</p>
<p>-  jared, author of the blog</p>


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Mac says:
06/15/2010
Wow, spoken out of true ignorance. Churches are not perfect, they are run by human beings, but i have seen &amp;#8230; alot more good and grace and mercy come through the church than our government. Here’s food [...]


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<p>Tithing opponents throughout the years as compiled by Dr. David Croteau, Liberty University, You Mean I Don’t Have to Tithe?, p271-292. www.slaveoftheword.blogspot.com/ See Footnotes for transcript evidence.</p>
<p>Clement of Rome 100<br />
Didache 100<br />
Justin Martyr 165<br />
Tertullian 230<br />
Origen 255<br />
Cyprian 258<br />
Waldenses 1150+-<br />
Thomas Aquinas 1275<br />
John Wycliff 1384<br />
John Huss 1415<br />
German Peasants 1520<br />
Anabaptists 1525<br />
Erasmus 1536<br />
Otto Brumfels 1534<br />
Martin Luther 1546<br />
Philip Melanchthon 1560<br />
Separatists Amsterdam 1603<br />
John Smythe 1609 Baptist<br />
John Robinson 1610<br />
English Parliament 1650+-<br />
Puritans &amp; Plgrims Mass 1650+-<br />
John Cotton 1652 Puritan<br />
Roger Williams 1636 Baptist<br />
Little Parliament 1653<br />
Oliver Cromwell 1658<br />
John Milton 1658 Puritan<br />
Particular Baptists 1660<br />
John Owen 1680 Baptist<br />
Francis Turretin 1687<br />
John Bunyan 1688 Baptist<br />
Quakers 1768<br />
John Gill 1771 Baptist<br />
John Wesley 1791 (my site)<br />
BAPTISTS IN AMERICA 1800s<br />
Adam Clarke 1832 Baptist<br />
Charles Buck 1833<br />
J C Philpot 1835 Baptist<br />
Charles H Spurgeon 1832 Baptist<br />
Parsons Cooke 1850<br />
Samuel Harris 1850<br />
Edward A Lawrence 1850<br />
John Peter Lange 1876<br />
Henry William Clark 1891 Engllish<br />
S H Kellogg 1891<br />
G Campbell Morgan 1898 Congregational<br />
Albert Vail 1913 Baptist<br />
Frank Fox 1913<br />
David MaConaughy 11918 Episcopal<br />
William Pettingill 1932<br />
John Harvey Grime 1934 Baptist<br />
John T Mueller 1934 Lutheran<br />
H E Dana 1937 Bapt Historian<br />
R C H LENSKI 1946 Lutheran<br />
Lewis Sperry Chafer 1948 DTS Foundeer<br />
W E Vine 1949<br />
James F Rand 1953<br />
Francis Pieper 1953 Lutheran<br />
Ray Stedman 1951<br />
L L McR 1955 Catholic<br />
Paul Leonard Stagg 1958 Baptist<br />
Hiley H Ward 1958 Baptist<br />
Roy T Cowles 1958<br />
Elizabeth P Tilton 1958<br />
R C Rein 1958 Lutheran<br />
Robert A Baker 1959 Bapt Historian<br />
Wick Bromall 1960<br />
John Byron Evans 1960<br />
Norman Tenpas 1967<br />
James Edward Anderson 1967<br />
Alfred Martin 1968<br />
CHARLES C RYRIE 1969 DTS<br />
Jerry Horner 1972 S Baptist<br />
Pieter Verhoef 1974<br />
Dennis Wretlind 1975<br />
Jack J Peterson 1978 Pres<br />
Donald Kraybill 1978<br />
Jon Zens 1979 Baptist<br />
Richard Cunningham 1979 S Bapt<br />
Gary Frieson 1980<br />
JOHN MACARTHUR 1982-2000<br />
Paul Fink 1982<br />
George Monroe Castillo 1982<br />
Tony Badillo 1984<br />
James M Boice 1986<br />
Michael E Oliver 1986 Rest<br />
W Clyde Tilley 1987<br />
Scott Collier 1987<br />
Ronald M Campbell 1987<br />
R E O White 1988<br />
William McDonald 1989<br />
Charles Swindoll 1990 Dallas Seminary<br />
Rhodes Thompson 1990<br />
J VERNON MCGEE 1999<br />
Jerome Smith 1992<br />
CRAIG BLOMBERG 1993 Denver Seminary<br />
J Duncan M Derrett 1993<br />
Walter Kaiser Jr 1994 Gordon-Cromwell<br />
Moises Silva 1994<br />
Benny D Prince 1995<br />
Brian K Morley 1996<br />
Linda L Belleville 1996<br />
Ron Rhodes 1997<br />
Ernest L Martin 1997<br />
Michael Webb 1998<br />
R Johnston 1999<br />
Mark Snoeberger 2000 Baptist<br />
Stuart Murray 2000 Eng<br />
George W Greene 2000<br />
Old Line Primitive Baptists 2000<br />
Jaime Cardinal Sin 2000 Cath Archbishop<br />
RUSSELL EARL KELLY 2001 Baptist<br />
Jonathan Kitchcart 2001<br />
<a title="pagan christianity tithing" href="http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/pagan-christianity-tithing-and-clergy-salaries/" target="_blank">Frank Viola</a> 2002<br />
<a title="george barna tithing" href="http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/barna-takes-a-stand-against-tithing/" target="_blank">George Barna</a> 2002<br />
Michael Morrison 2002<br />
Elliott Miller 2003<br />
Matthew Narramore 2004<br />
David Alan Black 2004 Baptist SEBTS<br />
Andreas Kostenberger 2007 Baptist SEBTS<br />
Danny Akin 2007 Baptist SEBTS<br />
Mark Driscoll 2008<br />
Roman Catholic Church<br />
Jehovah’s Witnesses<br />
New Worldwide Church of God</p>


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Tithing opponents throughout the years as compiled by Dr. David Croteau, Liberty University, You Mean I Don’t Have to Tithe?, p271-292. www.slaveoftheword.blogspot.com/ See Footnotes for transcript evidence.
Clement of [...]


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<li><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>Why you should:</strong> Your Church is broke.<br />
<strong>Why you shouldn&#8217;t:</strong> Your church will be more broke<br />
<span style="color: #333333;">I understand that the utilities, rent, and honorable salaries need to be paid. But we need to learn to cut expenses. The &#8220;American Greed Dream&#8221; can&#8217;t creep into homes without it creeping into the Church.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>Why you should:</strong> Your pastor wants a new car<br />
<strong>Why you shouldn&#8217;t:</strong> Someone else needs a car more<br />
<span style="color: #333333;">A little perspective goes a long way. Look at how others poorer than you live their lives and try to imagine your attitude under their circumstances. Determine your wants vs. needs.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>Why you should:</strong> Your Church wants a coffee shop<br />
<strong>Why you shouldn&#8217;t:</strong> Your coffee shop is only open 1 day a week<br />
<span style="color: #333333;">A majority of <a title="church buildings" href="http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/5-more-myths-about-church-building-projects/" target="_self">Church buildings</a> are largely under-utilized so let&#8217;s get smart about what were spending our money on.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>Why you should:</strong> You want a new building<br />
<strong>Why you shouldn&#8217;t:</strong> Can i remind you that were in a recession?<br />
<span style="color: #333333;">I&#8217;m not saying that great sacrifices can&#8217;t be done during hard times, but let&#8217;s not forget that a recession means 10% unemployment, higher taxes, forecloses, and salary cuts. Let&#8217;s not forget that your biggest need might be to expand your walls, but, someone&#8217;s biggest need this week may be what they are going to give their kids for dinner. Once again, a little perspective.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>Why you should:</strong> You want to buy new drum set for the band<br />
<strong>Why you shouldn&#8217;t:</strong> Bongo&#8217;s are soooo much cheaper!<br />
<span style="color: #333333;">This may be just my pet peeve, but I&#8217;m kind of getting tired of seeing 5 guitar players and a drummer on stage. Can&#8217;t anyone play anything else?</span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>Why you should:</strong> You want people to be blessed<strong><br />
Why you shouldn&#8217;t:</strong> People will be cursed instead<br />
<span style="color: #333333;">I&#8217;ve said it once, I&#8217;ve said it twice. . . Shoot! . . . I don&#8217;t know how many times I&#8217;ve said it, but <a title="tithing" href="http://churchtithesandofferings.com/" target="_self">tithing</a> is an Old Testament law.<br />
Galatians 3:10 &#8211; &#8220;<em>For as many as are of the works of the law  are under the curse</em>&#8220;</span></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #000000;"><strong>Why you should:</strong> It&#8217;s <a title="Sermons for Stewardship Month" href="http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/sermons-for-stewardship-month/" target="_self">Stewardship month</a><br />
<strong>Why you shouldn&#8217;t:</strong> Why spend time talking about 10% of our money?<br />
<span style="color: #333333;">Am i missing something here, or is there a reason why churches are concerned about the 10% that they get from you and spend very little time advising you on the other 90% that they aren&#8217;t getting from you? I&#8217;m wondering if they take the time to advise you on the 90, I&#8217;m sure there would be less problems collecting the 10. Like i said above it&#8217;s hard for greed to slip into the home without it slipping into the Church. The apple does not fall far from the tree.</span></span></li>
</ol>


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<p>In Matthew 5:17 Jesus states, &#8220;<em>Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not  come to destroy, but to fulfil.</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>Frankly, i&#8217;m quite tired of this verse being used, abused, misused, and misinterpreted. When most people use this <a title="bible verses on tithing" href="http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/bible-verses-about-tithes/" target="_self">verse to defend tithing</a> they have no clue what that verse means. When people point to that verse, their purpose is to say, &#8220;Look here! See . . . i told you that Jesus wasn&#8217;t throwing out the law; He was actually confirming it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, i get all fidgety because their ignorance  requires a great measure of restraint on my part. I just wanna shake them, slap them, and scream until my blood vessels are bulging from my eye balls!</p>
<p>People only whip this verse out to defend some sort of  biblical pet peeve of theirs. Would most people use this verse to defend their stance on stoning children, on circumcision, or clean meats? Obviously not. Call it hypocrisy, inconsistency; i don&#8217;t care. Just don&#8217;t classify their behavior as a clear, mental state.</p>
<p>Truthfully, i hate when <a title="arguments against tithing" href="http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/10-solid-arguments-against-tithing/" target="_self">arguments about tithing</a> always whittle down to debates about obeying, defining, and fulfilling the law. I don&#8217;t claim to have it all figured out; but to me, if we&#8217;re still arguing about the law 2000 years later, we might as well pack our bags and leave the argument. It&#8217;s quite laborious and somewhat embarrassing to actually be in a conversation about what Jesus meant when he came to fulfill the law.</p>
<p>Do i really need to take the time to explain why &#8216;do not kill&#8217; is irrelevant because &#8216;do not hate&#8217; has always existed? Do i really need to explain that although Jesus emphasized &#8216;do not hate&#8217; in  the New Testament, this doesn&#8217;t mean He was raising the standards? Do i really need to give the difference between eternal laws, compared to civil and ceremonial laws? Do i need to explain to you why giving 10% is just as effective as circumcision is? Seriously? Do i really?</p>
<p>Did Jesus fulfill the law? Of course he did. What did Jesus mean when he said, &#8216;fulfill&#8217;? Here&#8217;s a short synopsis of the definition of fulfill from blueletterbible.org</p>
<ol>
<li>To make full</li>
<li>To complete</li>
<li>To carry through to the end</li>
<li>To accomplish</li>
</ol>
<p>What part of the definition of fulfill makes a strong case to continue or confirm <a title="tithing" href="http://churchtithesandofferings.com/" target="_self">tithing</a>? I seem to get the feel of termination from the words &#8216;complete&#8217;, &#8216;end&#8217;, &amp; &#8216;accomplish&#8217;. I&#8217;ve used this analogy before, so i&#8217;ll use it again. Let&#8217;s say i  gave you an empty bucket, and i wanted you to use it to gather rain water. Once the bucket was full, could you continue to use it to gather more rain water? You would either need to get a new bucket, or empty that one out. Filling the bucket up wouldn&#8217;t abolish the purpose of that bucket, it would just abolish your reason to continue its use.</p>
<p>Romans 7:4 states, &#8220;<em>My brethren, you also have become dead to  the law through the body of Christ, that  you may be married to another</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>So, did Jesus fulfill the law?  I&#8217;m not saying i have it all figured out, but my final question to you is, which bucket are you still carrying around? The one that&#8217;s full or the one that needs to be filled?</p>


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<h4><img style="padding-left: 10px;" title="mormon angel" src="http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/mormon-angel.jpg" alt="" width="146" height="200" align="right" />LDS &#8211; Church of the Latter-Day Saints (Mormons)</h4>
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<li>&#8220;current LDS assets totaled $30 billion&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;If LDS were a corporation, Time continued, its estimated $5.9 billion in annual revenues would have placed it midway through the Fortune 500.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;Bonneville International Corporation, which controls over two dozen top radio stations across six states, is also wholly owned by LDS through Deseret Management Corporation, the church’s for-profit arm.&#8221;</li>
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<h4><img style="padding-left: 10px;" title="virgin mary statue" src="http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/virgin-mary-statue.jpg" alt="" width="91" height="200" align="right" />RCC &#8211; Roman Catholic Church</h4>
<ul>
<li>&#8220;In 2005, MSNBC reported that the Roman Catholic Church owned more real estate globally than any other organization or individual on earth.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;In 2001, an official report stated that the church’s real estate activities in fiscal year 2000 produced $81.7 billion in revenue on $51.8 billion in expenses: a nearly $30 billion profit.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;The <em>Boston Globe</em> found that “contributions from worldwide  dioceses” totaled $92.9 million in 2005, while individual donations made  directly to the Pope neared $60 million.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;In 2005, <em>MSNBC’s</em> Nanette Hansen even wondered if Pope Benedict  XVI would “have to be a money manager as well as a spiritual leader.”&#8221;</li>
</ul>
<h4><img style="padding-left: 10px;" title="martin luther" src="http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/martin-luther.jpg" alt="" width="86" height="200" align="right" />ELCA &#8211; Evangelical Lutheran Church</h4>
<ul>
<li>&#8220;In fiscal year 2009, the church claims to have earned $1,698,336 from  “investment income”, $2,238,629 from “bequests and trusts” and another  $1,003,420 in rental income. The same report lists a separate column of  “temporarily restricted” revenues, on which another $1,625,000 in  investment income is reported.&#8221;</li>
</ul>


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<h4>Introduction</h4>
<p>Some time in 2007, i  was studying the passage about Jacob&#8217;s tithing vow. All of a sudden i  had one of the most amazing &#8220;Ah&#8221; moments. It was like the movie, &#8220;Sixth  Sense&#8221; when everything that didn&#8217;t make sense this whole time all rushed  to my head at once and came together.  I always wondered, when did  Jacob tithe, could he have tithed, how, and who could he have tithed to?  Jacob made a vow to God in Genesis 28, &#8220;<em>of all that you give me, i will surely  give a tenth back to you</em>&#8220;. Here&#8217;s the thing, Jacob never gave  the tithe, nor was he capable of giving a tithe. Although Jacob was not  capable of tithing in his life eventually he was able to do so through  his children.</p>
<p>I have been researching and studying for some time on what I&#8217;m about to say, but i need to preface it first. With most of my research being done through sources found on the internet, I have found only a few others to confirm what my conclusions are on this matter; and even with the few that confirm this matter for me, they write only a couple sentences without any deep analysis of their thoughts. This confounds me because there many  who wonder &#8211; how, where, when, and if Jacob fulfilled  his vow, but ironically, there is a minute amount of research put into this mystery.  Jacob&#8217;s tithing vow has been overlooked because it is a story that is dwarfed between the large shadows of Abraham and the Mosaic laws. Much research has been done on Abraham&#8217;s tithe to Melchizidek, and more research has been done on Mosaic tithing laws, while very few analyze Jacob&#8217;s tithing experience.</p>
<p>With this in depth analysis, you will find answers to some of the questions surrounding the tithing vow of Jacob. You will also find some of the &#8216;best evidence&#8217; against those who support tithing because of its occurrence 400 years before the Mosaic law. You will also see the biblical reasons why Israel could only tithe from agriculture and livestock, and why they could only tithe from the produce of the promised land. You will also see why the Levites were not given an inheritance as promised by God, but ironically were given the tithe of the land. You will also see why Jacob never tithed, and never could have. These answers, and even more, will be discussed in the following information.</p>
<h4>The Meaning of Jacob&#8217;s Vow</h4>
<p>Most people do not read Jacob&#8217;s vow in context. When most people read Jacob&#8217;s statement, &#8220;<span style="color: #993300;"><em>of all that You give me I will surely give a tenth to You</em></span>&#8220;, they believe that Jacob was willing to give a tithe off everything that he garnished though his lifetime; but this interpretation is not correct. In Genesis 28 Jacob had just woke from a dream wherein God said, &#8220;<em><span style="color: #993300;">the land on which you lie I will &#8216;<strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">give</span>&#8216;</strong> to you and your descendants</span></em>&#8220;. Jacob made a vow to give a tenth from the <span style="text-decoration: underline;">land</span> that God promised to give him and his decedents. Jacob&#8217;s vow was not a general statement that included a tithe from his wealth, or from his occupation, or any gold. It was a promise to give God back 10% of the increase from the land. Strangely, Jacob never received the promised land, so there was never an opportunity for him to tithe. . .Or am i wrong?</p>
<p>Victor Stephens in his article &#8220;<a title="a closer look at tithihng" href="http://www.victorstephens.com/victorstephenswebsite_014.htm" target="_blank">A Closer Look at Tithing</a>&#8221; states, &#8220;<span style="color: #333333;"><em>If tithing was not commanded before the Mosaic Law, then how did  tithing become law? As we have just discovered, Jacob vowed to give a  tenth of all that he would receive. Since a vow becomes an obligation  once it is made, Jacob&#8217;s vow to give a tithe became a requirement. A  requirement of what? The Promised Land (Canaan). After the death of  Jacob and the conquest of Canaan, God held Jacob the nation (Israel)  accountable to pay the tithe. Thus, we have the enactment of the law of  tithing.</em></span>&#8221;</p>
<p>L. Ray Smith in his article &#8220;<a title="L. Ray Smith" href="http://bible-truths.com/tithing.html" target="_blank">Tithing is Unscriptural Under the New Covenant</a>&#8221; also states, &#8220;<span style="color: #333333;"><em>Jacob concludes his proposition to God, should God  meet all of his     requirements, by saying that of all the things that God will first  give to Jacob, Jacob     will give God back a tenth.<strong> </strong>Now don’t laugh. God honored  Jacob’s     proposition, and furthermore, God continued to honor this same  principle of tithing all     through Israel’s history.</em></span>&#8221;</p>
<p>As we all know, the decedents of Jacob eventually received the promised land which provided them an opportunity to fulfill the promise of their father by tithing off of the seed of the land and the fruit of the tree (Lev. 27). Deuteronomy 1:8 states, <span style="color: #993300;"><em>&#8220;See, I have set the land before you; go in and possess the land which the LORD swore to your fathers&#8211;to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob&#8211;to give to them and their descendants after them.&#8221;</em><span style="color: #000000;"> Psalms 105:7 also states, </span><em><span style="color: #993300;">&#8220;</span></em></span><em><span style="color: #993300;">The covenant which He made with Abraham, And His oath to Isaac, And confirmed it to Jacob for a statute, To Israel for an everlasting covenant. Saying, “To you I will give the land of Canaan As the allotment of your inheritance,”</span></em></p>
<p>I know it might be hard to conceive that a vow given by one man was required from his future generations, but let&#8217;s look at how God fulfills his vow to one man.  God told Jacob, &#8220;the land on which you lie I will give to <span style="text-decoration: underline;">you</span> and your descendants&#8221;. Although it seems that    God had promised the land to Jacob directly, we know Jacob never inherited the promised land.  So our conclusion is that God&#8217;s vow was collective rather than inclusive of Jacob in a direct way. Put simply, God fulfilled his vow to Jacob by giving the land to his children. If we are willing to accept that God fulfilled his promise directly to Jacob by finally giving the land hundreds of years later to his children, then we should be willing to accept that Jacob&#8217;s tithing vow could have been fulfilled in a belated matter as well.</p>
<p><span style="color: #993300;"><span style="color: #000000;">It is not contradictory or unorthodox to pass Jacob&#8217;s vow down to his children since it would not be the first time</span></span><span style="color: #000000;"> where a token was made and required to be observed by the following generations.</span> Let&#8217;s read Genesis 17:10-13, <em><span style="color: #993300;">&#8220;This [is] My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised; and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you. He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised, every male  child in your generations, he who is born in your house or bought with  money from any foreigner who is not your descendant. He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. &#8220;</span></em></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">It is not unique for the generations that follow to inherit a covenant token that initiated with their father. These &#8217;signs&#8217;</span><span style="color: #993300;"><span style="color: #000000;"> are declared throughout much of scripture where God&#8217;s covenant promises were commemorated by a token of some sort. </span></span>Jacob’s vow to tithe was a continual promise because just as  circumcision, it was based upon a continual covenant. In a few chapters  prior to Jacob&#8217;s vow we have an example of Abraham’s tithe, but this was  a one time gift. We also know that Abraham&#8217;s tithe was not a lifetime  or continual requirement because it would not have been an available  option for Jacob to offer it as a token in his promise.<span style="color: #993300;"><br />
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<p>Adam Clarke&#8217;s Commentary on the passage of Genesis 28 states this,<em> &#8220;<span style="color: #333333;">Jacob seems to make this vow rather for his posterity than for himself, as we may learn from Genesis 28:13-15; for he particularly refers to the promises which God  had made to him, which concerned the multiplication of his offspring, and their establishment in that land. If, then, God  shall fulfill  these promises, he binds  his posterity to build God a house, and to devote  for the maintenance of his worship the tenth of all their earthly goods. This mode of interpretation removes that appearance of self-interest which almost any other view of the subject presents. Jacob  had certainly, long ere this, taken Jehovah for his God; and so thoroughly had he been instructed  in the knowledge  of Jehovah, that we may rest satisfied no reverses of fortune could have induced him to apostatize: but as his taking refuge with Laban was probably typical of the sojourning of his descendants in Egypt, his persecution, so as to be obliged to depart from Laban, the bad treatment of his posterity by the Egyptians, his rescue from death, preservation on his journey, re-establishment in his own country, &amp;c., were all typical of the exodus of his descendants, their travels in the desert, and establishment in the promised  land, where they built a house to God, and where, for the support and maintenance of the pure worship of God, they gave to the priests and Levites  the tenth of all their worldly produce. If all this be understood as referring to Jacob only, the Scripture gives us no information how he performed his vow.</span></em><span style="color: #333333;">&#8221; (<a title="Adam Clarke's Commentary" href="http://www.godrules.net/library/clarke/clarkegen28.htm" target="_blank">source</a>)</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #333333;">Adam Clarke connects a bunch of dots in his text above. He understands that there is a correlation between Jacob&#8217;s vow and the tithing laws that the Israelites were asked to obey. Notice how Clarke even shows how Jacob&#8217;s journey mirrors the journey of the Israelites out of Egypt and into the promised land.<br />
</span></p>
<h4>A Powerful Argument Against Tithing</h4>
<p>Many people are quick to use Abraham&#8217;s example of tithing prior to the  law as a  model for new testament giving under grace. At some degree i can understand an argument like this, but if we also take Abraham&#8217;s example prior to the Mosaic law, then to be unbiased, we must accept Jacob&#8217;s principles of giving as well. First, we see that Jacob promised to give the tithe from the Holy Land. Second, his tithing vow did not include any income, goods, or gold. Lastly, his vow also excluded everything he had garnished prior to receiving the promised land.  If our evaluation of scripture should be consistent, shouldn&#8217;t Jacob&#8217;s example of tithing be incorporated into the model of new testament giving as well? Instead we look at how much Jacob was willing to give, and overlook what it was to be given from.</p>
<h4>Jacob&#8217;s Vow found in the Prophets</h4>
<p><span style="color: #993300;"><em>Malachi 3:7-8</em></span><span style="color: #993300;"><span style="color: #993300;"><em> F</em></span><em>or I [am] the LORD, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O  sons of Jacob.</em></span><span style="color: #993300;"><em><span style="color: #993300;"> Yet from th</span>e days of your fathers You have gone away from My ordinances  And have not kept [them]. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Return to Me (shuwb)</span>, and I will return to you,&#8221; Says  the LORD of hosts. &#8220;But you said, &#8216;In what way shall we return?&#8217; &#8220;Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed Me! But you say, &#8216;In what way  have we robbed You?&#8217; In tithes and offerings.</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">I have highlighted a unique Hebrew word that is consistent with the passages regarding tithing and Jacob&#8217;s vow. Please read them here.<br />
</span></p>
<p><em><span style="color: #993300;">Genesis 31:13 I am the God of <strong>Bethel</strong>, where you anointed the pillar and where you made a vow to Me. Now arise, get out of this land, a<span style="color: #993300;">nd <span style="text-decoration: underline;">return </span></span></span></em><span style="color: #993300;"><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">(<strong>shuwb</strong>)</span></em></span><em><span style="color: #993300;"><span style="color: #993300;"> to th</span>e land of your family.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="color: #993300;">Amos 4:4-6 Come to <strong>Bethel </strong>and transgress, At Gilgal multiply transgression; Bring  your sacrifices every morning, Your <strong>tithes</strong> every three days. Offer a sacrifice of thanksgiving with leaven, Proclaim [and] announce  the freewill offerings; For this you love, You children of Israel!&#8221;  Says the Lord GOD.  &#8220;Also I gave you cleanness of teeth in all your cities. And lack of  bread in all your places; Yet you have not <span style="text-decoration: underline;">returned to <span style="color: #993300;">Me </span></span></span></em><span style="color: #993300;"><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">(<strong>shuwb</strong>)</span></em></span><em><span style="color: #993300;"><span style="color: #993300;">,&#8221; </span>Says the  LORD.</span></em></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">The key word in each of these passages is the  Hebrew word &#8216;</span><span style="color: #000000;">shuwb&#8217; . This word is important because of the conditions <span style="color: #000000;">in Jacob&#8217;s vow we find in Genesis 28:20 states,</span></span><em><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="color: #000000;"> </span><em></em></span></em><em><span style="color: #993300;">&#8220;If God will be with me, and keep me in this way that I am going, and  give me bread to eat and clothing to put on, so that I <span style="text-decoration: underline;">come back (<strong>shuwb</strong>)</span> to my father&#8217;s house in peace, then the LORD shall  be my God.&#8221;</span><span style="color: #993300;"> </span><span style="color: #000000;"><em> </em></span></em></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">The &#8220;return&#8221; (shuwb) of Jacob to the promised land was part of Jacob&#8217;s vow and an integral part of his condition to tithe. This is why we see that Israel never tithed when they were outside of the promised land.  The tithing vow was no longer binding as long as they did not have possession of the Holy land. This wasn&#8217;t because they didn&#8217;t have access to the crops or animals; Israel could have still given a tithe of the cattle they had in foreign lands, but because of the conditions of Jacob&#8217;s vow they were not required to. </span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;">One other thing to note, if you take the time to read these next passages, you will also see that Malachi 3:10-11 and Amos 4:5-6  are synonymous with Jacob&#8217;s statement declaring God&#8217;s provision in Genesis 28:20 for food and clothing. The features in Jacob&#8217;s tithing vow are inseparable with how tithing functioned for the nation of Israel.<br />
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<h4><span style="color: #000000;">The Conditions of a Vow<br />
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<p><span style="color: #000000;">Even if we pass everything off so far as a coincidence we come across Leviticus 27 and find an interesting correlation. The whole chapter of Leviticus 27 addresses the proper way to manage your vows.<br />
</span></p>
<p>Bob Deffinbaugh writes a short outline on Leviticus 27 on <a title="bible.org" href="http://bible.org/seriespage/value-vow-leviticus-27" target="_blank">bible.org</a>,<em><br />
</em></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="color: #333333;"><em>&#8220;Vows of people—vv. 1-8</em></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #333333;"><em>Vows of animals—vv. 9-13</em></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #333333;"><em>Vowed houses—vv. 14-15</em></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #333333;"><em>Vowed inheritance (family land) vv. 16-21</em></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #333333;"><em>Vowed (non-family) land—vv. 22-25</em></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #333333;"><em>Illicit vows—vv. 26-33</em></span></li>
<li><span style="color: #333333;"><em>Conclusion—v. 34&#8243;</em></span></li>
</ul>
<p>Right at the end of Leviticus in verses 29-33, God discusses how the tithe is to be handled. The ironic thing is not that tithing is found in the chapter about vows, but that you see instructions from God that treat it as a vow. The bible states that if a vow was made and you wished to redeem it, that you were to add one-fifth to it (Lev 27:13,15,19,27). The same is true with tithing. Leviticus 27:31 states, &#8220;<em><span style="color: #993300;">If a man wants at all to redeem [any] of his tithes, he shall add  one-fifth to it.</span></em>&#8221; Why would tithing be treated as a vow if it was not a vow? Better question yet &#8211; when was tithing ever vowed prior to Leviticus 27?</p>
<p>Garry D. Pifer in his article titled, &#8220;<a title="Garry D. Pifer" href="http://www.masters-table.org/studies/piferstudy2.html" target="_blank">Did Jacob Tithe</a>&#8221; states this, &#8220;<em><span style="color: #333333;">There are many more very clear scriptures showing that the promise God  had    made was not fulfilled until the Israelites crossed over the Jordan  and took    possession of the land of Canaan. The final and third part of Jacob&#8217;s  vow, &#8220;&#8230;    and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto  thee&#8221;    would not have become valid and binding until this time. When we  review God&#8217;s    instructions regarding tithing found in Leviticus 27 it is so clear.  He is giving    instructions regarding payment of vows in this chapter. He tells them  the tenth,    the tithe of the land, that Jacob had vowed to give to God was &#8220;holy  to    the Lord.&#8221; (Lev. 27:30)</span>&#8220;</em></p>
<h4>The Levitical Inheritance</h4>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if these proceeding thoughts are conclusive my mind, and I&#8217;m not sure if this ties into everything that I&#8217;ve been  discussing, but nonetheless, I wish to address a question. If the nation of Israel was promised an inheritance of land, and yet the Levites were excluded from inheriting this, how can we explain that God did not break his promise? Am I missing something here, or is this a question in your own mind as well?</p>
<p>Since the tithe was vowed to be given from the land Jacob inherited, I believe inheriting the tithe was an &#8216;indirect&#8217; way for the levites to inherit the land of Israel.</p>
<p>Numbers 18:20-21 states, &#8220;<span style="color: #993300;"><em>Then the LORD said to Aaron: &#8220;You shall have no inheritance  in their land, nor shall you have any portion among them; I [am] your portion and your inheritance among the children of Israel. &#8220;Behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tithes in Israel as an inheritance in return for the work which they perform, the work of the tabernacle of meeting.</em></span>&#8221;</p>
<p>If Jacob was to give God back 10% of what God promised him (the land of Israel), then the tithe of the land would be a perfect way for God to fulfill his promise without giving the Levites a direct inheritance of the land. I hope this makes sense, otherwise the question would still linger (at least in my mind) on how God fulfilled his promise to the Levites without actually giving them any land inheritance.</p>
<h4>Tearing Down the Tithing Defense</h4>
<p>After studying the vow of Jacob and its effect on the law of tithing and Israel, i was able to get an even deeper grasp of why tithing is not commanded for the New Testament Church. I know tithing had begun with Abraham and that&#8217;s where the tithing debate begins, but debating whether or not Abraham&#8217;s tithe is required for the Church does not answer if Jacob&#8217;s tithe is required of us. After defining Jacob&#8217;s tithing vow I list five arguments made clear from this article that refute the practice of tithing in the New Covenant.</p>
<ol>
<li> Tithing was initiated from a personal vow made under the Old Covenant</li>
<li> The tithe was to be taken from the increase of the land of Israel, and from nowhere else.</li>
<li> Tithing was only to be given from the increase of the crops and animals and not from income, goods, or precious metals</li>
<li> Don&#8217;t forget, these rules were made clear 400 years before the Mosaic law.</li>
<li> Jacob&#8217;s voluntary vow proves that tithing was not a requirement prior to the law.</li>
</ol>
<h4>Conclusion</h4>
<p>I hope many of you have found this article informative whether or not you agree with what was said. Although i had put in a good amount of time into researching and writing for this article, i am not one of those people who will take my beliefs in this article to the grave. I am pretty open minded, so if you have some input, i am willing to hear what you have to say.</p>


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<p>&#8220;He laid down his life&#8221;<br />
&#8220;a cup of cold water in My name&#8221;<br />
&#8220;I was hungry and you gave Me food&#8221;<br />
&#8220;undefiled religion before God and the  Father is this: to visit orphans and widows&#8221;<br />
&#8220;God so loved the world that He gave&#8221;<br />
&#8220;He has dispersed abroad, He has given to the poor&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course the list goes on and on. I know there are much more to being a representative of Jesus Christ than being an advocate for humanitarian causes. But let&#8217;s look at the daily things that God provides for us all day. Air to breathe, food to eat, clothes to put on, a job, income, encouragement, health. If our heavenly father gave us these things to rely on him for, then what are we doing as advocates to also provide these things to others?</p>
<p>God uses the necessities in life as reminders that we need him. Jesus said, &#8220;i am the bread of life, and &#8220;i am living water&#8221;. Every time you breath, it is a reminder that you need God; and every time you drink, it is a reminder that you need God. Yes, eating, drinking and breathing are all mechanisms that we need to sustain life, but since i think God could have simply designed us without these needs, i believe that God wanted us to learn something from them.</p>
<p>God gave us a need for nutrition to remind us that we need spiritual nutrition, not just physical nutrition. Also, we need spiritual breath, and we need living water.</p>
<p>Without a God that gives us food and water, what would we think of God being capable of giving us everlasting water, and living bread? So how can we minister about a God that gives us everlasting life, if this God cannot provide a much simpler task of just some clean water?</p>
<p>This is where our part comes in. If we are representatives of God, then our job is to do God&#8217;s work. He needs us to give that cup of cold water in his name. He needs us to give the hungry some food.</p>
<p>Literally, we need to put our money where the mouths are.</p>


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<p>I&#8217;m sitting here right now trying to think of a way to transition all the thoughts going through my mind, so this post might get a little bumpy and random. I have Google tithing alerts sent to my email every day. Whenever someone in the news or on their blog mentions tithing, i receive an email of a list of those websites. I try as best as i can to visit as many blogs and news sites as i can to place comments that refute tithing, and support Spirit led giving.</p>
<p>I am somewhat picky about the blogs i will comment on. I try to comment on blogs that seem to get a little more traffic because i don&#8217;t have much time to comment in the first place, and wish to share my thoughts with as many as possible. There are certain types of blog posts that i  usually do not write on regardless of their website traffic &#8211; and that is blogs that give personal and emotional <a title="testimony about tithing" href="http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/my-tithing-testimony/" target="_self">testimonies about tithing</a>.</p>
<p>Trying to reason with someone about their personal experiences with tithing is like trying to take a child away from a mother who has carried for nine months and has given birth. You cannot take those experiences and emotions away from people. They will take those emotions to their grave. The best thing i&#8217;ve found is to state a few verses to counter-balance their emotions, plant a few seeds in forms of questions, and then be on your way. Side note about internet debating &#8211; you have no personal rapport with anybody. They don&#8217;t know you, so you aren&#8217;t going to change their mind anyway.</p>
<p>History proves over and over that you cannot persecute or beat &#8216;faith&#8217; out of anyone. It only makes them more stubborn, stronger, or turns them into martyrs. Many people believe tithing out of emotional faith, and not because of reason. This is one of the reasons why I try to stay away from the tedious, long, relentless banters towards any &#8216;opponent&#8217;. If you stay in an argument too long, both you and your opponent will be going around in circles while placing more and more bricks on each of your castle walls.</p>
<p>(So here&#8217;s one of those weird transitions :| ) This is going to seem awkward to say but we need to take these emotional experiences away from people. I first was thinking about all this when i was reading Dave Ramsey&#8217;s website. On there it had someone&#8217;s testimony about <a title="tithing in debt" href="http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/have-debt-start-tithing/" target="_self">tithing and then getting out of debt</a>. It made me think that when they&#8217;ve gotten out of debt and the emotional relief they felt was all attributed to tithing. Unfortunately, this is false advertising for tithing because Dave Ramsey is a financial counselor not a tithing counselor. People have to change their buying and saving habits in order to get out of debt.</p>
<p><a title="stop tithing get out of debt" href="http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/stop-tithing-get-out-of-debt/" target="_self">Tithing never got anyone out of debt</a>, and yet you hear of thousands of testimonies every year who attribute financial success to tithing advice from a financial counselor. You will always hear a testimony such as this &#8211; &#8216;We were in up to our necks in debt. We met with a Christian financial counselor. Someone challenged us to tithe. In one year we paid off $20,000 in credit card debt.&#8217; Even hearing the story, we get so caught up in the astronomical achievement that we don&#8217;t even wonder what tithing even has to do with spending, credit cards, and materialism?</p>
<p>(another awkward transition) Since i want to take the focus of financial success stories away from tithing, here&#8217;s the bottom line -  I wish to support Christian financial counseling ministries that does not support tithing. We need stories that include financial success while people gave freely without tithing.</p>
<h4>Your Help is Needed</h4>
<p>All of this encouraged me to go on a practical but seemingly unrealistic journey to find a Christian Financial Counseling Ministry that does not support tithing. My search has almost come up empty, so i am going to ask all of you if you are familiar with a christian financial ministry that does not support tithing in their counseling plans. I was fortunate to accidentally come across <a title="christian financial counseling" href="http://www.providentplan.com/" target="_blank">http://www.providentplan.com/</a>.  They provide great <a title="christian financial counseling" href="http://www.providentplan.com/" target="_blank">Christian Financial Counseling</a> services, but we need to find as many others as possible.</p>
<p>Crown and Dave Ramsey are great counseling tools but they both support tithing in their financial counseling plans. I am looking for a company that provides similar services, but I want to partner with or promote a Christian financial organization that does not support tithing. If we are to eliminate the false teaching through tithing, we need to promote organizations that do not teach tithing in their financial foundations. We need to create Christian financial success stories that show tithing is not a magical formula that gets you out of debt.</p>
<p>If we do not support the ministries that teach the right thing, then Dave Ramsey and Crown will still pump out people who will be permanently rooted in the tithing doctrine. If we can get people to see that it is sound financial principles that creates good stewardship, then there will be less and less work for us to do in the long run. We have to get people at the roots. Crown and Ramsey&#8217;s converts makes their pupils into tithers for life.</p>
<p>If we can all band together and promote a third financial ministry, one day it may turn out to be a huge competitor to crown and ramsey. This will be a great way to get the truth about tithing out there.Yes, I think my vision is somewhat idealistic, but we&#8217;ve gotta be realistic that every one that ramsey and crown covert to tithing will be near impossible to change back.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">THE GOAL:</span> Find financial counseling ministries that do not teach tithing and post them in your comments. I would like to compile a list of all these organizations in a blog post.</strong></p>


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