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		<title>Comment on Building new engines by Dannii Willis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dannii Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 11:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How different would the church scene be if the majority of churches did not need 150+ people to sustain the salaries of their staff? What if the urgency to build new engines started when you, say, reached 35?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How different would the church scene be if the majority of churches did not need 150+ people to sustain the salaries of their staff? What if the urgency to build new engines started when you, say, reached 35?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Worth the wait by Emma Thornett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emma Thornett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 07:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, I can't think of any books on this topic written by single women. There are a couple of books I am yet to read (on the pile on my bedside table!) but I don't know how much they deal with the biblical text, nor whether the women who wrote the books are single.

But, as Sam said, I don't think Claire being married precludes her from dealing with these questions at all. As Sam said, I think all my questions apply to married women - even the last one in a slightly different way (should a married woman submit only to her husband, or also to her pastor, or to all men?). And I don't think you have to be single in order to see how the Bible applies to single people, just as I don't think you have to be female in order to see how the Bible applies to women. (Anyway, Claire was of course single at one time in her life!)

I guess the point is that Claire's book helped me immensely. It has little to do with whether she as the author is married or single, and everything to do with her many years of studying these passages, and the clarity with which she writes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, I can&#8217;t think of any books on this topic written by single women. There are a couple of books I am yet to read (on the pile on my bedside table!) but I don&#8217;t know how much they deal with the biblical text, nor whether the women who wrote the books are single.</p>
<p>But, as Sam said, I don&#8217;t think Claire being married precludes her from dealing with these questions at all. As Sam said, I think all my questions apply to married women &#8211; even the last one in a slightly different way (should a married woman submit only to her husband, or also to her pastor, or to all men?). And I don&#8217;t think you have to be single in order to see how the Bible applies to single people, just as I don&#8217;t think you have to be female in order to see how the Bible applies to women. (Anyway, Claire was of course single at one time in her life!)</p>
<p>I guess the point is that Claire&#8217;s book helped me immensely. It has little to do with whether she as the author is married or single, and everything to do with her many years of studying these passages, and the clarity with which she writes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Building new engines by Church Plant Scarecrow « Creideamh a-mhàin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Church Plant Scarecrow « Creideamh a-mhàin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 04:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Briefing Website Tony Payne (whom I respect greatly) has written a post about church planting. Even though I am well [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Building new engines by Michael Kellahan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kellahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 04:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for this article. These are exactly the issues we need to wrestle with as our church tries to plant in 2013 - especially the probing and painful question of whether planting is functioning as a mask for a failure to disciple at the existing congregation. There is plenty of wisdom here so thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for this article. These are exactly the issues we need to wrestle with as our church tries to plant in 2013 &#8211; especially the probing and painful question of whether planting is functioning as a mask for a failure to disciple at the existing congregation. There is plenty of wisdom here so thank you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Building new engines by Joshua Bovis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Bovis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 04:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony,

I find your comments interesting:
 Church planting is also the ministry of choice for many of our keen young men in Bible and theological colleges. If given the choice between launching a brand new, cutting-edge congregation, perhaps in an under-served inner city region, or going to take up an assistant’s job in a struggling outer-suburban congregation… well, it’s hard to blame someone for dreaming of building their own thing from scratch, and fixing all the things they’ve always wanted to fix about church in the process.

And yet, for all its popularity in some circles, church planting remains stubbornly unpopular in many others, for the same reason that we don’t like evangelism, three-bean salad or a second airport for Sydney. We are in favour in principle, just not so much in practice, and especially in our own backyard. 

Do I detect a wee straw man lurking here? Those who are pro-church planting are young keen cutting edge Mark Driscolls who are on fire for the gospel which is juxtaposed with those who have concerns about church planting (not so much the practice, but some of the attitudes of the church planters), but they are merely subborn due to their dislike of evangelism, and are suffering from NIMBY syndrome due to being relegated to a struggling outer suburb congregation that is struggling and this is compounded by being the assistant rather than the Senior Pastor.

I mean who wants to spend those years battling to remove pews, the organist, that annoying statue, revolting Bushell's Tea or trying to discple church members who are elderly, those with low disposable income, those who have spiritually been poorly fed when you can start your own church with people and funding from the ecclesiastical/denominational platform (that is looked down upon and rejected as being antiquated)and you can have the church just the way you want it and bi-pass all those problems.

Of course no church has the monopoly on the unsaved, but what saddens me is the way church planting is seen as the cutting edge way forward for the proclamation of the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ and there is very little said about the ministry of those guys who are serving in denominational churches in those outer suburbs (dioceses) that are struggling. The silence is rather loud. 

I guess that the latter form of ministry is just not cool/sexy/cutting edge enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony,</p>
<p>I find your comments interesting:<br />
 Church planting is also the ministry of choice for many of our keen young men in Bible and theological colleges. If given the choice between launching a brand new, cutting-edge congregation, perhaps in an under-served inner city region, or going to take up an assistant’s job in a struggling outer-suburban congregation… well, it’s hard to blame someone for dreaming of building their own thing from scratch, and fixing all the things they’ve always wanted to fix about church in the process.</p>
<p>And yet, for all its popularity in some circles, church planting remains stubbornly unpopular in many others, for the same reason that we don’t like evangelism, three-bean salad or a second airport for Sydney. We are in favour in principle, just not so much in practice, and especially in our own backyard. </p>
<p>Do I detect a wee straw man lurking here? Those who are pro-church planting are young keen cutting edge Mark Driscolls who are on fire for the gospel which is juxtaposed with those who have concerns about church planting (not so much the practice, but some of the attitudes of the church planters), but they are merely subborn due to their dislike of evangelism, and are suffering from NIMBY syndrome due to being relegated to a struggling outer suburb congregation that is struggling and this is compounded by being the assistant rather than the Senior Pastor.</p>
<p>I mean who wants to spend those years battling to remove pews, the organist, that annoying statue, revolting Bushell&#8217;s Tea or trying to discple church members who are elderly, those with low disposable income, those who have spiritually been poorly fed when you can start your own church with people and funding from the ecclesiastical/denominational platform (that is looked down upon and rejected as being antiquated)and you can have the church just the way you want it and bi-pass all those problems.</p>
<p>Of course no church has the monopoly on the unsaved, but what saddens me is the way church planting is seen as the cutting edge way forward for the proclamation of the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ and there is very little said about the ministry of those guys who are serving in denominational churches in those outer suburbs (dioceses) that are struggling. The silence is rather loud. </p>
<p>I guess that the latter form of ministry is just not cool/sexy/cutting edge enough.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Suffer the little children by Dannii Willis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dannii Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 02:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologise, my browser filled in the name and I didn't think to check that it had my surname too. I have now fixed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologise, my browser filled in the name and I didn&#8217;t think to check that it had my surname too. I have now fixed it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Worth the wait by Evangelicals in the Episcopal Church</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evangelicals in the Episcopal Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 00:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a recent issue of Australia’s evangelical magazine, the Briefing: Should I decline to co-lead a Bible study if there are men in the group? Should I cover my head [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a recent issue of Australia&#8217;s evangelical magazine, the Briefing: Should I decline to co-lead a Bible study if there are men in the group? Should I cover my head [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Suffer the little children by Lionel Windsor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lionel Windsor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 15:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS my phrase "desire to resist change for no good reason" is ambiguous - I meant that the change has no good reason; I didn't mean that the desire to resist change is unreasonable. (David, I second your longing for an edit facility; but realise it's probably unworkable).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS my phrase &#8220;desire to resist change for no good reason&#8221; is ambiguous &#8211; I meant that the change has no good reason; I didn&#8217;t mean that the desire to resist change is unreasonable. (David, I second your longing for an edit facility; but realise it&#8217;s probably unworkable).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Suffer the little children by Lionel Windsor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lionel Windsor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 15:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW Danii, while it's great that you're taking part in the discussion, for the sake of consistency and fairness I should point out that the comment policy on this particular site requests you to use your full name rather than just a first name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW Danii, while it&#8217;s great that you&#8217;re taking part in the discussion, for the sake of consistency and fairness I should point out that the comment policy on this particular site requests you to use your full name rather than just a first name.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Suffer the little children by Lionel Windsor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lionel Windsor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 14:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David, I see your point. But doesn't the common ground between Christians and non-Christians go beyond a common desire to resist change for no good reason? We can share positive things about  marriage with our society too, can't we? In fact, isn't affirming the deep connection between marriage and children a particularly apt example of something that Christians can do quite straightforwardly, &lt;em&gt;without&lt;/em&gt; the need to resort to any special religious pleading?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David, I see your point. But doesn&#8217;t the common ground between Christians and non-Christians go beyond a common desire to resist change for no good reason? We can share positive things about  marriage with our society too, can&#8217;t we? In fact, isn&#8217;t affirming the deep connection between marriage and children a particularly apt example of something that Christians can do quite straightforwardly, <em>without</em> the need to resort to any special religious pleading?</p>
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