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		<title>Comment on It’s Time To Stand Up Santa Ana! by Rosary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 01:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Overmyer. "We The People Of Santa Ana" have a candidate for mayor that can take Our city back, his name is Gerge Collins!!!!!!!. This november vote Collins for our mayor in Santa Ana!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Overmyer. &#8220;We The People Of Santa Ana&#8221; have a candidate for mayor that can take Our city back, his name is Gerge Collins!!!!!!!. This november vote Collins for our mayor in Santa Ana!.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Separation of church and state is the larger issue by Sarah Michelle Spinosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Michelle Spinosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 07:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://thecentristoc.com/2008/11/12/separation-of-church-and-state-is-the-larger-issue/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/ezwIZo-hKiI/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>Comment on Tustin Council ignores residents by Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 16:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee,
Sounds like you are all a bunch of anti-property rights NIMBYs!  Whatever, who said RINOs din't exist in OC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee,<br />
Sounds like you are all a bunch of anti-property rights NIMBYs!  Whatever, who said RINOs din&#8217;t exist in OC?</p>
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		<title>Comment on All you need to know about Prop 8… in 4000+ words by Sarah Michelle Spinosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Michelle Spinosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 07:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph, I'm not going to do this with you again. We debated for 8 hours on Facebook and you didn't present a valid legal argument against same-sex marriage. You spent most of the time throwing around the 'activist judges' line.

What struck me was that you also could cite a theological reason why marriage should be defined as between one man and one woman. Of course, yours being the religion of polygamy, well...

Your reasoning was simply based on your own personal belief. The term 'Marriage Traditionalist' says it all. Well I'm sorry but just because something has been done a certain way for a certain amount of time, that doesn't necessarily mean it can't be done differently. Tradition cannot hold us back from creating a more just society.

The bottom line is that there are issues that arise from the separate but equal nature of the two types of legal unions, which is a complex debate on its own... and they are NOT the same. But since I respect churchs' rights in defining marriage as a religious sacrament, we agree that government should get out of the marriage business.

That said, I still wonder why you need to continue to try to cram your fascist dogma at gays such as myself under the guise of 'constitutional debate.'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph, I&#8217;m not going to do this with you again. We debated for 8 hours on Facebook and you didn&#8217;t present a valid legal argument against same-sex marriage. You spent most of the time throwing around the &#8216;activist judges&#8217; line.</p>
<p>What struck me was that you also could cite a theological reason why marriage should be defined as between one man and one woman. Of course, yours being the religion of polygamy, well&#8230;</p>
<p>Your reasoning was simply based on your own personal belief. The term &#8216;Marriage Traditionalist&#8217; says it all. Well I&#8217;m sorry but just because something has been done a certain way for a certain amount of time, that doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean it can&#8217;t be done differently. Tradition cannot hold us back from creating a more just society.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that there are issues that arise from the separate but equal nature of the two types of legal unions, which is a complex debate on its own&#8230; and they are NOT the same. But since I respect churchs&#8217; rights in defining marriage as a religious sacrament, we agree that government should get out of the marriage business.</p>
<p>That said, I still wonder why you need to continue to try to cram your fascist dogma at gays such as myself under the guise of &#8216;constitutional debate.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>Comment on All you need to know about Prop 8… in 4000+ words by Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Even though weâ€™ve offered to compromise, we just cannot allow tax advantages, guaranteed family medical coverage, and hospital visitation rights for gay couples or allow all families to have the same opportunities."

This is irrelevant for the simple fact that the current statutory law actually gives the exact same rights as married couples to domestic partners.  Your stating that all these benefits are denied homosexuals is simply FALSE:  It's in California Code (See http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fam&amp;group=00001-01000&amp;file=297-297.5)

BTW, this was the case both before and, and still is the case after, the passage of Proposition 8.  All Proposition 8 does is keeps the State of California off the consciences of marriage traditionalists for now.  The best solution would be to abolish marriage licensing and dodge the stupid culture war.

Also the idea that "we've offered to compromise" also wasn't an issue in the case of Prop. 8.  The compromise had already been achieved as far as benefits in Section 297 by the legislature.  Marriage traditionalists simply objected to the Supreme Court's use of a sacred religious sacrament.  It's a good thing because the actual effect of putting the Supreme Court in its place was to keep them from socially engineering from the bench.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even though weâ€™ve offered to compromise, we just cannot allow tax advantages, guaranteed family medical coverage, and hospital visitation rights for gay couples or allow all families to have the same opportunities.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is irrelevant for the simple fact that the current statutory law actually gives the exact same rights as married couples to domestic partners.  Your stating that all these benefits are denied homosexuals is simply FALSE:  It&#8217;s in California Code (See <a href="http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fam&#038;group=00001-01000&#038;file=297-297.5" rel="nofollow">http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fam&#038;group=00001-01000&#038;file=297-297.5</a>)</p>
<p>BTW, this was the case both before and, and still is the case after, the passage of Proposition 8.  All Proposition 8 does is keeps the State of California off the consciences of marriage traditionalists for now.  The best solution would be to abolish marriage licensing and dodge the stupid culture war.</p>
<p>Also the idea that &#8220;we&#8217;ve offered to compromise&#8221; also wasn&#8217;t an issue in the case of Prop. 8.  The compromise had already been achieved as far as benefits in Section 297 by the legislature.  Marriage traditionalists simply objected to the Supreme Court&#8217;s use of a sacred religious sacrament.  It&#8217;s a good thing because the actual effect of putting the Supreme Court in its place was to keep them from socially engineering from the bench.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I wish it didn’t have to be like this (From Orange Juice Blog) [Edited by author] by Stanley Fiala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stanley Fiala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is anybody out there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is anybody out there?</p>
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		<title>Comment on N. Orange Co. Friends of NRA Dinner by Shooting range sports fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shooting range sports fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shooting sports is a good way to keep youth interested in guns in a healthy way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shooting sports is a good way to keep youth interested in guns in a healthy way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I wish it didn’t have to be like this (From Orange Juice Blog) [Edited by author] by Stanley Fiala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stanley Fiala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is normal time for grieving.
That time is passed.
Now is the time to open this blog and have a good time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is normal time for grieving.<br />
That time is passed.<br />
Now is the time to open this blog and have a good time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ‘Semi-Weakly’ Review – July 21, 2008 by Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the U.S. has no right to aband GayMarriage. And if the U.S. did, then some of the people will still be gay. You know? I am gay and i support Gaymarriages. I like to date men more than women. Women uses men for money and other stuff too. Even  Mothers teaches they`re daughters how to use men for money and other stuff too. So why this? Why do the U.S have to start this now? I think they should aband Male and Female`s marriages anyway. Do you know that some Women don`t  want to date men because of they`re heights?  That means that they`re mothers are telling they`re daughters how to date tall men. The U.S. has to have better understanding about why is it okay to be gay. Please  allow Gaymarriages in the U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the U.S. has no right to aband GayMarriage. And if the U.S. did, then some of the people will still be gay. You know? I am gay and i support Gaymarriages. I like to date men more than women. Women uses men for money and other stuff too. Even  Mothers teaches they`re daughters how to use men for money and other stuff too. So why this? Why do the U.S have to start this now? I think they should aband Male and Female`s marriages anyway. Do you know that some Women don`t  want to date men because of they`re heights?  That means that they`re mothers are telling they`re daughters how to date tall men. The U.S. has to have better understanding about why is it okay to be gay. Please  allow Gaymarriages in the U.S.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I wish it didn’t have to be like this (From Orange Juice Blog) [Edited by author] by Stanley Fiala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stanley Fiala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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http://orangejuiceblog.com/2008/11/a-europe-we-can-respect/#comment-75196

   1. Art Pedroza Says:
      November 25th, 2008 at 10:26 am

      Terry,

      The Czech Republican is back? Great! Maybe Stan Fiala can finally return to his homelandâ€¦
   2. Art Pedroza Says:
      November 25th, 2008 at 11:01 am

      As I expected, Fiala has sent me a comment to post here:

      â€œPedroza, Mr. Klaus is promoting same values as I am promoting in Santa Ana. It is only a matter of time before they will be realized here too. â€

      Viva the Czech Republic Stan - be sure to book your flight back as soon as possibleâ€¦

Truth which loser Pedroza would not publish:
â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”-
I think it would be good idea to advise your group Pedroza to get out of here since they are a burden to the USA economy while Czech are propelling it. Counting all my businesses, technological inventions and employment which I have provided for this country since 1969 is more than 1000s of your people destroyed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry the prior post did not publish correctly.<br />
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<p>   1. Art Pedroza Says:<br />
      November 25th, 2008 at 10:26 am</p>
<p>      Terry,</p>
<p>      The Czech Republican is back? Great! Maybe Stan Fiala can finally return to his homelandâ€¦<br />
   2. Art Pedroza Says:<br />
      November 25th, 2008 at 11:01 am</p>
<p>      As I expected, Fiala has sent me a comment to post here:</p>
<p>      â€œPedroza, Mr. Klaus is promoting same values as I am promoting in Santa Ana. It is only a matter of time before they will be realized here too. â€</p>
<p>      Viva the Czech Republic Stan &#8211; be sure to book your flight back as soon as possibleâ€¦</p>
<p>Truth which loser Pedroza would not publish:<br />
â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”-<br />
I think it would be good idea to advise your group Pedroza to get out of here since they are a burden to the USA economy while Czech are propelling it. Counting all my businesses, technological inventions and employment which I have provided for this country since 1969 is more than 1000s of your people destroyed.</p>
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