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		<title>Comment on Tom Dennis of The Grand Forks Herald Drinks Purple Kool-Aid #wilfare by Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Brad   From a point of being "fiscally sound" you are absolutely right.  

From a point of being a "waste of money", you might not get much agreement from the civic leaders of almost all other cities that have NFL teams.  And I suppose some Vikings fans might think State funding of Opera is a "waste."  It depends on whose shoes you are in.

I suspect you are right in that the money gap between the public's willingness to support and what the Wilf's want is quite large. It's certainly much bigger than can be solved by Ed's seat licensing solution.  

We are not done here by a long shot.  It is worth noting that the governor and mayor of Mpls. and many legislators don't seem to think this is a wasted effort.  (And, as I understand, a legislator from Red Wing is asking the Treasure Island tribe what they can do to help out in funding a stadium. ) 

FYI--- "fiscally sound" projects are the not only ones that pass political benchmarks.  There are plenty of public projects that enjoy broad support and make little fiscal sense.  Have you ever visited the mall in Washington DC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Brad   From a point of being &#8220;fiscally sound&#8221; you are absolutely right.  </p>
<p>From a point of being a &#8220;waste of money&#8221;, you might not get much agreement from the civic leaders of almost all other cities that have NFL teams.  And I suppose some Vikings fans might think State funding of Opera is a &#8220;waste.&#8221;  It depends on whose shoes you are in.</p>
<p>I suspect you are right in that the money gap between the public&#8217;s willingness to support and what the Wilf&#8217;s want is quite large. It&#8217;s certainly much bigger than can be solved by Ed&#8217;s seat licensing solution.  </p>
<p>We are not done here by a long shot.  It is worth noting that the governor and mayor of Mpls. and many legislators don&#8217;t seem to think this is a wasted effort.  (And, as I understand, a legislator from Red Wing is asking the Treasure Island tribe what they can do to help out in funding a stadium. ) </p>
<p>FYI&#8212; &#8220;fiscally sound&#8221; projects are the not only ones that pass political benchmarks.  There are plenty of public projects that enjoy broad support and make little fiscal sense.  Have you ever visited the mall in Washington DC?</p>

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		<title>Comment on Tom Dennis of The Grand Forks Herald Drinks Purple Kool-Aid #wilfare by Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rick

The Vikings stadium is a waste of money. End of story. It comes nowhere near being fiscally sound. The chasm between what the public is willing to give and what the Wilfs want is too large right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rick</p>
<p>The Vikings stadium is a waste of money. End of story. It comes nowhere near being fiscally sound. The chasm between what the public is willing to give and what the Wilfs want is too large right now.</p>

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		<title>Comment on Tom Dennis of The Grand Forks Herald Drinks Purple Kool-Aid #wilfare by The Other Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Other Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 17:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez Rick, why don't you just admit you didn't bother to read my comment.  Instead you just undermined your response to Brad (regarding city taxpaying finance proposals) by saying you "don't feel qualified to comment" on my financing comment, which was more about taxpaying finance proposals and next to nothing to do with "sophisticated bonding structures" that you reference.

Once again (this is the 3rd thread), your inconsistent arguments make it hard to follow you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez Rick, why don&#8217;t you just admit you didn&#8217;t bother to read my comment.  Instead you just undermined your response to Brad (regarding city taxpaying finance proposals) by saying you &#8220;don&#8217;t feel qualified to comment&#8221; on my financing comment, which was more about taxpaying finance proposals and next to nothing to do with &#8220;sophisticated bonding structures&#8221; that you reference.</p>
<p>Once again (this is the 3rd thread), your inconsistent arguments make it hard to follow you.</p>

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		<title>Comment on Tom Dennis of The Grand Forks Herald Drinks Purple Kool-Aid #wilfare by Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ other mike
You are apparently an expert on public financing and I don't feel qualified to comment on your sophisticated bonding structures.

Ed should be commenting, but due to some mysterious reason he doesn't seem to be paying attention to your posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ other mike<br />
You are apparently an expert on public financing and I don&#8217;t feel qualified to comment on your sophisticated bonding structures.</p>
<p>Ed should be commenting, but due to some mysterious reason he doesn&#8217;t seem to be paying attention to your posts.</p>

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		<title>Comment on Tom Dennis of The Grand Forks Herald Drinks Purple Kool-Aid #wilfare by Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@brad. 
Oh you must mean the financial hole in Rybak's current proposal of $55 million, which some Minneapolis taxpayers will have to swallow.  And Rybak still wants to include improvements to the Target center so that venue can host megabuck pop concerts that suck money out of the state.  Is that the "monetary" aspect that worries you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@brad.<br />
Oh you must mean the financial hole in Rybak&#8217;s current proposal of $55 million, which some Minneapolis taxpayers will have to swallow.  And Rybak still wants to include improvements to the Target center so that venue can host megabuck pop concerts that suck money out of the state.  Is that the &#8220;monetary&#8221; aspect that worries you?</p>

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