Christopher Hitchens on Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, and Economics (1987)

2013-04-28T13:30:00.002-07:00

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and
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the without outside go ahead
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people removed from the countryside
marketed
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the f
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my dot
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what you have the
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birth father
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called coffee a day
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so all baat
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the for marketplaces
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way but they cannot so somewhat headlong
blasted
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at also grateful to those who spent the
entire day in that
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that also said
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how much yet
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these involving our security
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packard
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save aren't out to be returned once
again to represent the constituency all
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seems to me
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farrakhan
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that they
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secure the garbage they have to tell me
once again
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collected
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the calmly ha in this town
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and the democratic decathlete
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is the
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walter fifty percent off
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debate is satisfactory
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that also fine
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are will
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those who have supporting
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in my home
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mentors included
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dedication
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basketball possibly having blood
unrealistic
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president
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jeremy sure merck what is the
re-election of margaret thatcher mean
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for the united states
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in my judgment they're going to be
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three main consequences festival
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it will get rid of the degree of
uncertainty about
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uh... nato and american bases in britain
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which have been introduced by the labor
party is campaign
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secondly it seems to me
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uh... mean that there will be a
continuation all
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uh... the expectation the public britain
at least of the special relationship
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with the united states
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under can be a a certain degree of
expectation on the part of the u_s_
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government but the will be in
international affairs ablaze in britain
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which will be just generally in support
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of united states policy
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thirdly
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uh... but this becomes a little on
something
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that is the
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element in of fascism approach
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which is looking to the united states as
the mobile
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uh... from which britain mainland and so
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uh... in this particular aspect there's
no into flattery up all of the united
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states and also a certain degree of
compatibility in ideology and outlook
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with with the present your stuff
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christopher hitchens same question
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what does a reelection of margaret
thatcher mean for america
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will doesn't alter the time
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that there is still in britain large
majority in favor of the removal of my
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braces
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if the election to be known that alone
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uh... nobody would have won it
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it's to the events
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so unsure rather they couldn't make that
the issue if that would be a c jeremy
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would be awfully wrong
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majority of my fellow countrymen women
don't want
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to be an outpost of ronald reagan's
foreign policy which brings me to the
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second implication
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which is off the leader of the free
world and present united states and
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uh...
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chief executive made such a completion
abject fool of himself and of your
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country
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in uh... venice what exactly referred
i'm referring to his inability to
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concentrate to remember to muster even
the
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poultry knowledge of it but it seems
that an average newspaper it would
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happen in the same
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the same classical uh... incompetence
this
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that he'd manifest him
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that we see him
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towards the tail end of the dismissal
presidency
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and then we see in the wings is
extraordinary moment
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who has never really accepted yet have
written a second-rate in any sense of
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time
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and who really don't
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i think begin to
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green herself for the world of elder
statesman
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of the west and um... having seen the
division and and i i can't uh...
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icon in any way cause you to look for to
it
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uh... spreading as a general thing
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eyes talked like to talk a little bit
about style just watch that clip
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where the prime minister was speaking
and what we might call
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heckling
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is coming from other members of
parliament we would find that very
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strange
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uh... but what does happen on occasions
not to the prime minister
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um... describe how that works
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opiates very much part of the british
political tradition that's to say that
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that
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there's expectation that uh... anyone
holding a senior project position in
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britain and indeed uh... in who's in the
house of parliament
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uh... would be able
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stand up and edit use
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in a public place would be it would be
indeed expect
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to receive heckling will be able to make
good use of it and
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there's a further carry over to that
which is that it's a feature of the
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british political system
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that margaret thatcher has to face
question time houses
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uh... of comes on a regular basis as do
all covenant unwell uh...
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indeed the the sorts of problems
concerning prison break into which
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christopher was referring
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uh... alos maturity one couldn't imagine
a uh... a senior figure in british
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politics
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uh... encountering a toll on the grounds
that if if someone wasn't in a position
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to handle some pretty tough questioning
they could no longer
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does that bother them much i mean do
they respond to those remarks or did
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they just
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usually continue going on
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had i been country i would have been one
of the fact was not able to come up with
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something someone keep a better than
they were all that sort of loutish in
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two directions that they managed i have
in my time i liked but not
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are for that to you side
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too much problem of the most in in
between the balkans and ominous since
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war
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seven his memos to you used to sometimes
don't have to be sick before facing
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question times commons
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maybe new items i wouldn't have known to
look at him that so seriously they have
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to take it i quite liked to record maj
in right
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i noticed though that uh...
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she avoided one of uh... the conventions
these
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counts where you graciously accept
victory him she completely forgot to
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thank our opponents
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for fighting the clean and decent an
excellent an admirable campaign and i
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must say
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i fear that that's a
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notice deported for the future very much
part of the present stalinistic forget
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lauren
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people country with this anyone
disagrees
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british election is over and margaret
thatcher is one of the stork third term
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tonight will be discussing now for about
the next ninety minutes
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and our guests are two experts and i
guess you know by now they're both from
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england germ issuer murry senior
research fellow now for the institution
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main studies at george mason university
here in fairfax virginia
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and christopher hitchens is washington
correspondent for the nation and the new
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statesman
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we'd like to first start off by a
talking about how big was margaret
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thatcher's victories for as the majority
working majority shall have in
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parliament
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but as i understand it
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because the two being given at the
moment is that you have an overall
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majority of between
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a hundred and four hundred and six
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these is done a lot about forty on what
you have before
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on the other hand uh... it was pretty
clear that that no one i think was
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expecting that you get a majority quite
its launch
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uh... eat it
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has come to a shop
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as a shock not just the pundits but also
its particular last night from shots on
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on u_s_ television
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if members of the incumbent
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uh... it will make deed
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squalls that of seats that that is being
what will make no practical difference
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that all in terms of the conducting
policy
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politics in britain
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that is still that a good working
majority
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yeah i think i would i would give it to
a time oxfam
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one who is in prison
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uh...
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uh...
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economist of the country
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tempestuous palm
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to get a third mandate
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at this level
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uh... is kazakhstan to has to be found
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if she hasn't personally popularity do
it
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because uh...
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and i'm sorry to keep on contrasting
accepted free world
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who she would rather be respected the
night
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i might be of
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for example ronald reagan's he's a
person who bubble which is to be loved
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that should not income about to tree
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mom's respect and there you can find
many people in britain who do not like
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uh... including large number of members
of her own party in two different
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cabinet personally find testable
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you will not find anyone who thinks
she's contemptible
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uh... or figure for
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and i went chicago
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tell me about margaret thatcher's
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governments for his her policies
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noble ronald reagan's policies
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describe
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what it's like in britain
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under thatcher
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under-thirty regime
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there's been a deliberate attempt to
trying
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to chef
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britons
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institutions
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in the direction of a more market-based
society
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in the expectation that this will give
more opportunity
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everybody
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this has been accomplished by mrs
thatcher in the conservative party from
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walt in certain respects is not to
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uh...
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healthy a starting point
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well i mean by that is that
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typically conservative supporters will
be people who
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more wide-open change
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uh... who certainly made the
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uh... it with the business background
ball all concerns about sold
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uh... but who wouldn't necessarily the
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to opened to the kind of radicalism that
that missus thatcher's approach in
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certain respects espouses
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what she's done has been commented on
from quite a wide perspective
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is to combines uh...
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an appeal in the economic area of great
deal of radicalism together with a
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reaffirmation
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uh... all
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a traditional values
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together also with
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a certain uh... kind all
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patriotic approach in matters of foreign
policy
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which the falkland islands i think was
predicted convenient lost time for
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positive is a very distinctive package
is being put together a uh... and
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special it's something which was
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has managed to push through
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changes which i guess a number of people
who falls in britain would would would
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have been pretty difficult to push
through
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but which them really does have uh...
youth union quite distinctive elements
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to it
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and many other things you just mentioned
sound very much like paul reagan's
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philosophy
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yes except that um...
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reagan promised people instant
gratification said everything's going to
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be a pain
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we should stop feeling bad about
ourselves we should feel good again we
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should congratulate
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on another
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and ourselves all the time
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and you deserve
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morin i'm gonna give it to you would
have to pay taxes
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but getting it
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uh... you can now see the consequence
with the deficit and with the devi
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result in some start many other
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unpleasant consequences that we are i
think not very long finding out about
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uh... with such as we know the
difference she promised people sacrifice
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and pain she said the countries being
rotting
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in mediocrity for long-time campaign
itself
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warnaco and i'm gonna turn the cold
shower on all of you
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i think she actually wouldn't have
minded turning its
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onto everybody but missus passed about
it
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country
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i come from it doesn't color
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and the most vivid impression i find
returning henderson
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is how a piece of this that
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and how people who used to be
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poor now really grateful of people who
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understood seasonal unemployment now
out-of-work perhaps forever
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will have never had
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pal um...
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all that kind of things become a great
deal more severe and social
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and racial
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regional visions
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com
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german you agree with that assessment
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christopher's correcting some of what he
said
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but i'm not sure
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to what extent of whether all problems
which is indicated
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they can really be
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properly held to be the responsibility
of the conservative party
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might went there really is the number of
the uh... of the problems particularly
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all
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unemployment of uh... of the structural
kind and some
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divisions
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uh... which has fallen particularly
heavily on some regions is something
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which is far as i can see
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any government with the ground
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unless it's really very difficult to see
how in a sentence
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uh... you can't do much different
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from what the present government is done
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uh... grown to the present government
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uh... acted uh... in a more
precipitously
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uh... unserved certain things which
might possibly have been handled wall
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smoothing over a longer period
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uh... have been face more quickly
0:13:21.810,0:13:24.180
the difficult he wants the that
0:13:24.180,0:13:25.500
i guess you could say that
0:13:25.500,0:13:29.540
that those very sectors of britain's
economy could be nana in a long period
0:13:29.540,0:13:31.390
of decline
0:13:31.390,0:13:35.080
which started before the second world
war they got it done pretty bruised from
0:13:35.080,0:13:35.700
uh...
0:13:35.700,0:13:38.840
the conditions immediately after the
second world war problems really weren't
0:13:38.840,0:13:40.330
would never got to grips with
0:13:40.330,0:13:43.670
and it's not clear to me that that it
really does politically to point the
0:13:43.670,0:13:44.960
finger at mrs thatcher and say
0:13:44.960,0:13:48.320
how terrible these things are when it's
just not fair that the the really is an
0:13:48.320,0:13:50.360
alternative
0:13:50.360,0:13:53.480
putting your calls in just a few moments
there must be listed throughout the show
0:13:53.480,0:13:56.840
at the bottom of the screen and it will
uh... like settled came in about five
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minutes
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before then we're gonna run a clip of
some b_b_c_ coverage from last night's
0:14:01.260,0:14:04.520
election
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let's have the latest
0:14:05.460,0:14:09.230
forecast on the basis of that user by
david that's built up a forecast all
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about the radio
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the conservatives three item fifty one
forty two a lot of them pile up that
0:14:13.870,0:14:18.030
fortitude unavailable for everybody to
one forty nine opt for the the alliance
0:14:18.030,0:14:22.050
for the six down one and the others
pretty fault plus three as just that
0:14:22.050,0:14:25.730
there wasn't too and see what we're
forecasting currently the liberals in
0:14:25.730,0:14:27.030
the s_d_p_ will take eight
0:14:27.030,0:14:29.720
singles since the levels we say donavan
0:14:29.720,0:14:30.610
the s_d_p_
0:14:30.610,0:14:32.610
considering with it they had a nail
polish
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yellowstone default opt freeware four
prostitutes for international body wins
0:14:36.429,0:14:38.010
in scotland
0:14:38.010,0:14:41.230
they desperately in mostar the new york
chamber of the house of commons of let's
0:14:41.230,0:14:44.800
see what it looks like there we are in
the side of the couple's chamber
0:14:44.800,0:14:48.400
businesses that are on the government
benches wrong i think that is the three
0:14:48.400,0:14:49.600
of them that they want
0:14:49.600,0:14:53.360
the labor party mister taylor onto
forty-nine and all the opposition
0:14:53.360,0:14:56.360
together subtract them from the
conservatives and you've got the
0:14:56.360,0:15:00.580
forecast conservative majority now david
of fifty two
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you just mentioned about money pipeline
courage what do you think of that
0:15:04.160,0:15:07.649
i'd just one thing i've noticed since
the last election and and witness the
0:15:07.649,0:15:10.050
increasing dominance of bridgeport by
what
0:15:10.050,0:15:13.280
we call american type
0:15:13.280,0:15:16.740
opinion polls on every front page and a
leading every
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useful
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computer graphics
0:15:19.790,0:15:23.370
photo opportunity politicians who never
really can speak shizzle
0:15:23.370,0:15:26.790
have press conferences i i don't think
that deserves the name of american
0:15:26.790,0:15:28.420
myself because america
0:15:28.420,0:15:32.950
is a thoughtful and democratic country
but the style of rasmus facebook
0:15:32.950,0:15:36.870
probably originated at two and it's
taken over in the b_b_c_ my god i mean
0:15:36.870,0:15:39.350
can you imagine on cbbc
0:15:39.350,0:15:41.640
behaving like a discotheque
0:15:41.640,0:15:44.340
that coverage seemed to have a lot more
emotion and i think
0:15:44.340,0:15:48.100
you find that most u_s_
0:15:48.100,0:15:50.910
gets just a moment of excitement and
certainly one of the things that i
0:15:50.910,0:15:53.380
missed being over here is really the the
0:15:53.380,0:15:54.509
experiences
0:15:54.509,0:15:56.850
of staying up and getting quite excited
even
0:15:56.850,0:15:59.209
it you can at home about the uh...
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progressively recently
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is with the move to think vision
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just wait till we get that one of the
straight-laced means
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our first call from chesterton indiana
you're on
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or harder
0:16:13.890,0:16:17.090
it looked like the left-wing is in
trouble all over
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repair whatever their problem here too
0:16:19.430,0:16:23.390
and i think that chris ear infection
near you know about nakki
0:16:23.390,0:16:27.650
and i propose we can expect you to be
even more perhaps than usual this
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evening
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anyway where you applicants
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or a quick
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you know hidden uh...
0:16:39.980,0:16:44.270
paltalk our party here in this country
called
0:16:44.270,0:16:47.740
uh... uh... democratic
0:16:47.740,0:16:50.150
we have several up in the dark progress
0:16:50.150,0:16:52.200
on the democratic side
0:16:52.200,0:16:54.780
interpol votes are
0:16:54.780,0:16:57.670
social also democrat
0:16:57.670,0:16:59.030
sort of a reverse
0:16:59.030,0:17:00.910
english fair but uh...
0:17:00.910,0:17:04.250
i think sound very much
0:17:04.250,0:17:09.199
they they're not identified here within
your country
0:17:09.199,0:17:13.020
we really do have pre-party
0:17:13.020,0:17:16.279
uh... this carefully avoided whenever
this
0:17:16.279,0:17:20.400
is mentioned i think kidnapping rock
with pre-party
0:17:20.400,0:17:23.570
but i think it's rather
0:17:23.570,0:17:28.700
not really sinister overtones that
0:17:28.700,0:17:32.150
all porto shelley
0:17:32.150,0:17:34.400
first call
0:17:34.400,0:17:35.139
uh...
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the democrats issues of america doesn't
0:17:38.450,0:17:41.890
uh... have the resources to run it
0:17:41.890,0:17:44.750
but you're right in saying that
0:17:44.750,0:17:47.630
board members of their policy
0:17:47.630,0:17:51.080
and a number of members of congress
including cardinal members of black
0:17:51.080,0:17:53.920
caucus
0:17:53.920,0:17:58.030
will come to the essay convention would
endorse a p_s_a_
0:17:58.030,0:18:02.070
motion for debate of the democratic
convention what the uh... deus est says
0:18:02.070,0:18:04.460
it's like
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like the labor party was in britain
0:18:06.360,0:18:07.380
um...
0:18:07.380,0:18:11.690
about seventy years ago writes to say
the day but we know the liberal party
0:18:11.690,0:18:14.560
to a long time before they build up
enough strength
0:18:14.560,0:18:19.420
declare a labor party on their own and i
think it will take them
0:18:19.420,0:18:21.200
it would be a short time
0:18:21.200,0:18:25.780
record democrats versus america
0:18:25.780,0:18:28.150
martin is california you're on
0:18:28.150,0:18:35.150
it dinosaur case eric wright had old
extract
0:18:59.030,0:19:01.540
the celtics awful from it
0:19:01.540,0:19:05.720
first of all in terms of weapons i'd
like to go back
0:19:05.720,0:19:09.270
some of the opening comments that chris
was making because uh... i think that
0:19:09.270,0:19:14.620
that he's quite right but there is much
less enthusiasm in britain for uh...
0:19:14.620,0:19:16.870
nuclear weapons uh...
0:19:16.870,0:19:18.430
uh... all complete
0:19:18.430,0:19:22.299
prospect of of threats that they use and
so on the than is
0:19:22.299,0:19:27.540
from uncertain and some of the major in
the united states and the while
0:19:27.540,0:19:29.040
conservative party
0:19:29.040,0:19:35.030
uh... certainly uh... has falls on the
program all uh... retaining u_s_ bases
0:19:35.030,0:19:38.730
and their also committed to
0:19:38.730,0:19:40.500
continuing
0:19:40.500,0:19:44.960
the orders for the triton weapons and
0:19:44.960,0:19:46.860
i think that birds
0:19:46.860,0:19:48.049
even though that that
0:19:48.049,0:19:51.019
uh... even within the ranks of the
conservative party tecnimont this
0:19:51.019,0:19:52.900
amongst younger people
0:19:52.900,0:19:56.170
there's a much greater willingness to
look very seriously uh... issues and
0:19:56.170,0:20:01.090
disarmament uh... the movie common in
the united states those so that found to
0:20:01.090,0:20:05.580
come directly on this matter to the
court to the first part of the question
0:20:05.580,0:20:09.450
i think that it would be wrong need to
take
0:20:09.450,0:20:11.739
kind of endorsements
0:20:11.739,0:20:16.120
uh... that one go through the british
election of
0:20:16.120,0:20:17.919
conservative parties police's
0:20:17.919,0:20:20.809
uh... as being done her support for
uh...
0:20:20.809,0:20:24.750
uh... american lines on this and
certainly i don't think that while
0:20:24.750,0:20:26.640
uh...
0:20:26.640,0:20:31.490
that that that one will get certain aka
competes endorsement of
0:20:31.490,0:20:33.610
for example all
0:20:33.610,0:20:36.050
uh... current administrations uh...
0:20:36.050,0:20:39.360
uh... moves in the middle east
0:20:39.360,0:20:43.190
even the most conservative in even the
most bell acres
0:20:43.190,0:20:47.630
uh... of people in britain look pretty
moderate if put up against of some of
0:20:47.630,0:20:50.779
the people around him
0:20:50.779,0:20:52.159
the labor party was for
0:20:52.159,0:20:55.279
unilateral decide yet nuclear weapons
0:20:55.279,0:20:58.130
nobody would have made britain nuclear
free enterprise
0:20:58.130,0:21:00.910
which would mean two things in our case
would mean
0:21:00.910,0:21:04.120
first removing your bases michael
0:21:04.120,0:21:07.230
right you didn't have a chance to vote
for them being there nor did we but
0:21:07.230,0:21:10.679
so let's say they'll u_s_a_ espace
0:21:10.679,0:21:11.440
uh...
0:21:11.440,0:21:14.910
from british so it would also involve
coming up the pretends to britain
0:21:14.910,0:21:18.010
but independently have a nuclear war the
so you know it's a which is a potential
0:21:18.010,0:21:18.950
economy
0:21:18.950,0:21:20.670
and great cost
0:21:20.670,0:21:23.770
maintained i thought that the connection
made by the question of the train them
0:21:23.770,0:21:25.670
to be a raid and the bases was
0:21:25.670,0:21:26.980
was the good one
0:21:26.980,0:21:29.860
um... and i just i'll just say this
about it
0:21:29.860,0:21:34.799
the reason why public opinion britain
was so strongly against
0:21:34.799,0:21:38.020
participation response fishman liberated
austria
0:21:38.020,0:21:42.660
uh... was this in a surprise many people
have how large the repudiation until
0:21:42.660,0:21:45.700
the raid took place not many british
people knew how many american bases that
0:21:45.700,0:21:46.870
were
0:21:46.870,0:21:49.680
snot usually discussed by the government
0:21:49.680,0:21:52.780
and weren't aware of the united states
could launch airstrike on other
0:21:52.780,0:21:55.170
countries and british
0:21:55.170,0:21:57.940
uh... with parliament in the press being
unaware of this
0:21:57.940,0:22:00.620
and since the that realization has
0:22:00.620,0:22:02.100
deepened if you will
0:22:02.100,0:22:03.710
extended
0:22:03.710,0:22:05.130
you have begun to law school
0:22:05.130,0:22:07.570
when did we sign this agreement when was
the treaty
0:22:07.570,0:22:13.330
when department but listen found of
course that was never any such
0:22:13.330,0:22:16.630
uh... democratically validated and
that's not going to go away
0:22:16.630,0:22:19.770
uh... mister booked them at this point
0:22:19.770,0:22:21.520
well as they say shared basis
0:22:21.520,0:22:23.590
do not know the u_s_a_
0:22:23.590,0:22:25.680
just just united states
0:22:25.680,0:22:29.590
let's go to burbank illinois you're on
0:22:29.590,0:22:35.090
burbank in there
0:22:35.090,0:22:39.580
labor said during the selection believe
that there was an ever-widening gap
0:22:39.580,0:22:42.560
between the haves and have-nots
0:22:42.560,0:22:45.570
expand on that will be
0:22:45.570,0:22:46.440
yet so i would
0:22:46.440,0:22:51.490
elicit sounds a little bit me
0:22:51.490,0:22:53.600
certainly
0:22:53.600,0:22:57.150
that's certainly been shipped in the
distribution of income in britain
0:22:57.150,0:22:58.040
uh...
0:22:58.040,0:23:02.180
quickbooks significance one st into them
unpacking isn't two p_m_
0:23:02.180,0:23:03.549
when i say that
0:23:03.549,0:23:08.240
will basically be strategy behind the
conservative government in britain
0:23:08.240,0:23:11.560
is to try to shift britain into
0:23:11.560,0:23:12.570
system
0:23:12.570,0:23:16.060
which will generate wealth better which
will give incentives almost certainly on
0:23:16.060,0:23:17.890
the part of the conservative
0:23:17.890,0:23:20.630
um... there's a strong belief that you
have to trickle-down effect
0:23:20.630,0:23:24.480
uh... fro uh... and
0:23:24.480,0:23:26.960
uh... chin
0:23:26.960,0:23:29.330
uh... in addition
0:23:29.330,0:23:31.539
the is the
0:23:31.539,0:23:33.620
but it means important to do something
0:23:33.620,0:23:34.900
pretty radical
0:23:34.900,0:23:36.500
to redress the
0:23:36.500,0:23:40.419
slu relative economic decline desperate
that britain has been suffering
0:23:40.419,0:23:43.429
over quite a long period of time
0:23:43.429,0:23:45.200
i think there was a great deal of
0:23:45.200,0:23:49.100
self conscious awareness about the fact
0:23:49.100,0:23:54.080
one was going to make a more
market-based society work effectively
0:23:54.080,0:23:54.909
this would
0:23:54.909,0:23:56.470
involved
0:23:56.470,0:23:59.890
greater dignity of economic inequality
0:23:59.890,0:24:01.130
bombs
0:24:01.130,0:24:03.280
and here is the big buck
0:24:03.280,0:24:06.350
the argument was but once the syndrome
for a bit
0:24:06.350,0:24:08.179
uh... one would get benefits
0:24:08.179,0:24:10.520
which would could be spread
0:24:10.520,0:24:14.210
more widely through the community no one
would then actually have a wealth to
0:24:14.210,0:24:18.050
help those people who couldn't help
themselves so what i would want to do
0:24:18.050,0:24:22.539
very much on this is on the one side to
bite the bullet and say yes
0:24:22.539,0:24:23.990
in certain respects
0:24:23.990,0:24:25.460
liberal position
0:24:25.460,0:24:26.380
to go for
0:24:26.380,0:24:28.340
a form of social organization
0:24:28.340,0:24:31.220
which has a greater degree of inequality
in it
0:24:31.220,0:24:32.930
but with the sistine as being a new
0:24:32.930,0:24:35.760
engine for the production of a lot of
things that the worthwhile
0:24:35.760,0:24:37.839
i want to relate these two things
together
0:24:37.839,0:24:41.610
such that if chris possibly says that
the inequality
0:24:41.610,0:24:44.720
that's involved in making such a move is
unacceptable
0:24:44.720,0:24:48.019
i'd be interested to see whether there
is some other in june
0:24:48.019,0:24:52.480
be uh... which could be have to generate
the the more positive concert
0:24:52.480,0:24:55.340
well from our baxter's draws attention
0:24:55.340,0:25:00.950
the audiences this that uh... and
hegemony deserves grateful
0:25:00.950,0:25:02.320
frank about it and so does
0:25:02.320,0:25:04.360
mrs thatcher um...
0:25:04.360,0:25:07.250
what makes that show uh... factura
0:25:07.250,0:25:12.650
is not that she accepts the fact of
britain's ruthlessly about it because
0:25:12.650,0:25:14.519
income and also it will finish
0:25:14.519,0:25:17.420
very hottest hospital in wisconsin
0:25:17.420,0:25:21.670
uh... but that xin self-consciously
praises god
0:25:21.670,0:25:23.510
um... back his knee
0:25:23.510,0:25:27.060
that is also why she's so wanted his
life but it's also why she deserves
0:25:27.060,0:25:28.290
credit
0:25:28.290,0:25:29.350
but she doesn't
0:25:29.350,0:25:31.340
pretend that it can or should
0:25:31.340,0:25:34.970
in view be outlawed
0:25:34.970,0:25:40.049
that swatch that's what we talk about
0:25:40.049,0:25:44.620
that's a baseline which to stop tool
0:25:44.620,0:25:45.719
come back on this
0:25:45.719,0:25:48.940
because i think that on the topic of
inequality one's got to distinguish
0:25:48.940,0:25:51.149
between inequality pretend sake
0:25:51.149,0:25:52.490
an inequality
0:25:52.490,0:25:56.809
uh... all the salt which it's argued
will emerge in and well working
0:25:56.809,0:25:58.340
market-based economy
0:25:58.340,0:26:02.340
not uncertainty that all kinds of forms
of inequality the the the one they did
0:26:02.340,0:26:06.679
in many many places which mrs thatcher
and i would guess most of the
0:26:06.679,0:26:09.399
but even the conservative party who
favor the views
0:26:09.399,0:26:13.340
redeem old very cute little i mean says
some of the people all home walking or
0:26:13.340,0:26:13.960
on that
0:26:13.960,0:26:16.720
on the paternalistic interpretation of
conservativism would
0:26:16.720,0:26:19.659
would like certain other kinds of
inequality but but where possibly
0:26:19.659,0:26:22.590
traditional landlords would have a
double booking off to that that they
0:26:22.590,0:26:23.729
retain us too
0:26:23.729,0:26:27.209
in return for talking with a lot to do
with the women within the locked after a
0:26:27.209,0:26:30.260
bit intended liberal new
0:26:30.260,0:26:32.120
uh... grows
0:26:32.120,0:26:35.560
eight at an attempted solution to
britain's problems i think that he
0:26:35.560,0:26:37.460
doesn't need to think that the enough
0:26:37.460,0:26:41.110
just to stop by saying all be these
things have undesirable features to them
0:26:41.110,0:26:41.889
shoul
0:26:41.889,0:26:44.649
but the situation that britain has
undesirable features
0:26:44.649,0:26:48.539
consider i mean if you if you went from
at both of us uh... a relatively young
0:26:48.539,0:26:51.990
but i think that within the lifetime of
both of us if one went
0:26:51.990,0:26:55.310
uh... countries on the continent of
europe and when we break when we were
0:26:55.310,0:26:55.980
young
0:26:55.980,0:26:58.870
uh... what would be struck by the
meeting in various ways kind of quite
0:26:58.870,0:27:00.539
charming but a bit to correct it
0:27:00.539,0:27:04.309
if undefined goes but brought into
europe not including the north of big
0:27:04.309,0:27:05.120
city
0:27:05.120,0:27:08.110
uh... was struck by the fact that here
when it got its older
0:27:08.110,0:27:11.570
affluence of a country which really only
has to be found in the context of
0:27:11.570,0:27:12.720
britain midland
0:27:12.720,0:27:16.690
thumbs-down with certainty that the
whole gamut supposes it's been tried
0:27:16.690,0:27:17.460
before
0:27:17.460,0:27:20.880
bike the conservative neighbor body how
can go anywhere
0:27:20.880,0:27:23.810
touch at least was has been trying
0:27:23.810,0:27:26.570
eight solution to these things and it
was rejected
0:27:26.570,0:27:28.089
i think what one needs to hear is
0:27:28.089,0:27:29.399
what's really is
0:27:29.399,0:27:32.450
the workable alternative
0:27:32.450,0:27:38.560
echols from san diego you're on
0:27:38.560,0:27:45.560
and
0:27:46.980,0:27:53.980
but
0:29:07.860,0:29:10.250
until i agree with him too
0:29:10.250,0:29:13.549
citizens under a fourteen thirty now
0:29:13.549,0:29:15.149
uh...
0:29:15.149,0:29:18.340
are behind were happy to say there's a
common but there's a vase is a question
0:29:18.340,0:29:20.210
it was to meet and
0:29:20.210,0:29:23.430
i'd say this about it
0:29:23.430,0:29:27.760
since i'm forty five pm very very
heavily state run economy
0:29:27.760,0:29:30.230
but also very very capitalist one
0:29:30.230,0:29:34.040
and the another point of interest
thatcher's interests
0:29:34.040,0:29:38.080
that she uh... believes
0:29:38.080,0:29:40.460
britain has been in a sense of socialist
electives
0:29:40.460,0:29:42.690
society
0:29:42.690,0:29:46.520
recent structural seized the prime
minister
0:29:46.520,0:29:48.650
of uh... that's nonsensical opinion
0:29:48.650,0:29:51.340
doesn't fit with any known factoring in
theory
0:29:51.340,0:29:54.820
doesn't quite wrote of its power because
it's certainly true
0:29:54.820,0:29:58.340
that that was about inefficient public
ownership
0:29:58.340,0:30:01.230
a great deal what i would call craft
unions
0:30:01.230,0:30:02.279
trade unions
0:30:02.279,0:30:05.049
simply acting syndicates for the
protection of members what you might
0:30:05.049,0:30:08.980
call on the waterfront ratings
0:30:08.980,0:30:10.580
and and a great presumption
0:30:10.580,0:30:14.000
of subsidy in the case of any business
that several go into trouble
0:30:14.000,0:30:16.860
and most of them to conservative
governments conservatives
0:30:16.860,0:30:18.460
uh... nationalized
0:30:18.460,0:30:20.080
rolls-royce which is very simple
0:30:20.080,0:30:22.180
right
0:30:22.180,0:30:25.980
thus one has to say that at least in
theory thatcher
0:30:25.980,0:30:28.169
uh... does believe that everybody
0:30:28.169,0:30:29.559
to it
0:30:29.559,0:30:33.220
and believes in that top-grossing rather
than piracy
0:30:33.220,0:30:39.100
uh... and so forth but i would go about
us basically of stuff fine
0:30:39.100,0:30:42.510
in fact that the tax breaks that she's
given to this it would be a little
0:30:42.510,0:30:45.870
businesses
0:30:45.870,0:30:46.630
happened b
0:30:46.630,0:30:50.159
awarded but this
0:30:50.159,0:30:52.730
like michael for
0:30:52.730,0:30:55.429
what to make two comments first of all
0:30:55.429,0:30:57.930
one thing which is i think extremely
0:30:57.930,0:31:00.420
too many people in britain
0:31:00.420,0:31:03.390
the way in which
0:31:03.390,0:31:05.370
many people apostle
0:31:05.370,0:31:07.070
from the opportunity
0:31:07.070,0:31:08.149
using them
0:31:08.149,0:31:09.560
ammunition
0:31:09.560,0:31:11.450
uh... its
0:31:11.450,0:31:13.750
really pretty grim the way in which
0:31:13.750,0:31:17.220
innocence the people haven't been at the
right
0:31:17.220,0:31:20.580
place but the right point of time right
qualifications don't really have a
0:31:20.580,0:31:23.090
second charles u_n_ which within
0:31:23.090,0:31:25.639
uh... many different places especially
0:31:25.639,0:31:29.559
uh... large state-owned enterprises but
this kind of e forces has carried over
0:31:29.559,0:31:34.010
to a considerable extent into into
private business
0:31:34.010,0:31:35.610
if someone shows
0:31:35.610,0:31:36.529
initiative
0:31:36.529,0:31:39.039
uh... if that were to be told
0:31:39.039,0:31:42.230
if they uh... haven't come into the
rightful qualifications than the feeling
0:31:42.230,0:31:43.510
of hope
0:31:43.510,0:31:46.499
and certainly one thing which i think
he's been extremely
0:31:46.499,0:31:48.530
striking
0:31:48.530,0:31:50.330
the activities all
0:31:50.330,0:31:52.330
the conservative under thatch
0:31:52.330,0:31:54.920
has been a week to try to break
0:31:54.920,0:31:58.090
these very deep seated institutions and
0:31:58.090,0:32:01.920
yes i did something which it seems
extremely difficult to do
0:32:01.920,0:32:05.090
went with certainly they have grossed
this particular metal in the way in
0:32:05.090,0:32:05.979
which no one else
0:32:05.979,0:32:08.590
dawn regiment and for the maturity of
uh...
0:32:08.590,0:32:09.450
there's
0:32:09.450,0:32:13.960
we are just a few minutes but um... let
me just say nama might be the times that
0:32:13.960,0:32:15.340
it's very striking
0:32:15.340,0:32:16.940
you can have made a video
0:32:16.940,0:32:18.599
uh... they would never try it
0:32:18.599,0:32:21.800
escalate really yeah your picnic
0:32:21.800,0:32:25.070
made a video of the country would never
tried before and this for some reason
0:32:25.070,0:32:28.320
have tremendous effect moved in fourteen
points out
0:32:28.320,0:32:31.210
in the opinion polls than the morning
off russia and
0:32:31.210,0:32:33.080
highpoint ten
0:32:33.080,0:32:34.740
giving a speech in wales
0:32:34.740,0:32:37.980
working possible sent
0:32:37.980,0:32:41.200
why am i request number
0:32:41.200,0:32:46.000
wise my life
0:32:46.000,0:32:50.009
we come from a thousand generations
workers soldiers
0:32:50.009,0:32:52.160
and games plans
0:32:52.160,0:32:54.340
uh... artisans craftsman
0:32:54.340,0:32:57.470
was it because with the net worth
0:32:57.470,0:32:59.710
was it because we were lazy
0:32:59.710,0:33:02.049
was it was in a week no it wasn't
0:33:02.049,0:33:04.080
and it was because we never had a
thoughtful
0:33:04.080,0:33:08.349
you know how to party whenever money we
never had any of the boxes says it's a
0:33:08.349,0:33:10.000
simple thing with higher education
0:33:10.000,0:33:12.310
now the fact that in britain
0:33:12.310,0:33:18.430
in nineteen eighty seven and if you like
that and have such a tremendous
0:33:18.430,0:33:21.100
so many people recognize themselves
0:33:21.100,0:33:22.140
inception
0:33:22.140,0:33:25.019
is a tremendous condemnation of the west
side
0:33:25.019,0:33:26.950
people know they've been with
0:33:26.950,0:33:28.610
they saw their parents
0:33:28.610,0:33:30.170
knives squandered
0:33:30.170,0:33:33.110
with no opportunity method for cost
reasons
0:33:33.110,0:33:35.360
and that still remains the most salient
fact about
0:33:35.360,0:33:36.789
about our country and ivp
0:33:36.789,0:33:38.980
therefore fit
0:33:38.980,0:33:43.279
dealing and illusion
0:33:43.279,0:33:47.880
but the something is that it's very kind
of institutions which the labor party
0:33:47.880,0:33:48.800
then
0:33:48.800,0:33:50.779
uh... towards historically and which
0:33:50.779,0:33:54.179
his father can see that would be another
indication that the that if they don't
0:33:54.179,0:33:56.169
mean that they'd be willing to move away
from
0:33:56.169,0:33:57.880
which which is just so
0:33:57.880,0:34:00.380
to cement people into the the
0:34:00.380,0:34:02.809
uh... kind of traps that they had been
an
0:34:02.809,0:34:07.600
granted everyone units everyone and it's
it's really rob nice labor parties at
0:34:07.600,0:34:09.610
least cum laude reagan probably
0:34:09.610,0:34:13.769
well what they don't seem to understand
it is that own
0:34:13.769,0:34:16.990
way in which they'd been conducting a
fence and uh...
0:34:16.990,0:34:20.229
riddhi in many ways constituted problem
0:34:20.229,0:34:24.519
and certainly mania of features all
0:34:24.519,0:34:27.960
police's at the present conservative
government which op talk reducing pretty
0:34:27.960,0:34:28.860
ruthless
0:34:28.860,0:34:33.450
but it is a radical attempt to get to
grips with the tech to be problems
0:34:33.450,0:34:34.459
when it did
0:34:34.459,0:34:37.679
the problem on the other side in in
terms of all of the labor party
0:34:37.679,0:34:38.620
projecting
0:34:38.620,0:34:39.559
and what was it
0:34:39.559,0:34:43.499
it's as if yes that big problems and
uh... we care about them and we will do
0:34:43.499,0:34:45.429
something
0:34:45.429,0:34:49.529
what was actually government done was
only the not too terribly specified or
0:34:49.529,0:34:50.669
where it was
0:34:50.669,0:34:52.480
it looks as if it was going to and not
0:34:52.480,0:34:54.469
begin call back
0:34:54.469,0:34:57.899
behind the exactly the same kind of
traditional institute
0:34:57.899,0:35:01.210
uh... particularly in terms of the trade
union movement in britain
0:35:01.210,0:35:04.529
which in many ways and i i think from
some of the rocks you've been making
0:35:04.529,0:35:05.329
uh... uh...
0:35:05.329,0:35:07.769
but pretty much everyone accepted
0:35:07.769,0:35:09.789
being the major coolsat
0:35:09.789,0:35:13.529
let's go up again to knowingly newton
massachusetts you're on
0:35:13.529,0:35:19.769
harry uh... thank you very much
0:35:19.769,0:35:22.999
right
0:35:22.999,0:35:29.999
there
0:35:33.279,0:35:36.479
irreparable
0:35:36.479,0:35:38.639
perry
0:35:38.639,0:35:41.849
act
0:35:41.849,0:35:48.140
sorry poorer
0:35:48.140,0:35:50.719
allied party or
0:35:50.719,0:35:52.349
electoral
0:35:52.349,0:35:54.519
for
0:35:54.519,0:36:00.289
uh...
0:36:00.289,0:36:02.829
mostar provides certainly become
0:36:02.829,0:36:07.389
the great emerging female british
demography obviously a gossip matt
0:36:07.389,0:36:09.419
makes it very dramatic uh...
0:36:09.419,0:36:12.749
an old friend of mine won a seat last
night for the first time in tennessee
0:36:12.749,0:36:16.829
summed declining shipbuilding nominal
fees
0:36:16.829,0:36:21.159
consider the contents on some didn't
hold his deposit which mexico but based
0:36:21.159,0:36:23.509
house votes
0:36:23.509,0:36:25.539
and my friend chris mullin
0:36:25.539,0:36:29.539
full-version tribune amount watch by the
way uh... increase their majority in
0:36:29.539,0:36:32.429
some of them by something i ate teen
sent
0:36:32.429,0:36:34.969
now those bits muslim molding cost
0:36:34.969,0:36:37.779
this is just a working-class town
0:36:37.779,0:36:40.839
wooden vitoria to save his life um...
0:36:40.839,0:36:42.499
but with those birds
0:36:42.499,0:36:46.049
simply go to elect one more in pain
0:36:46.049,0:36:48.720
if weather was proportional
representation you get a quite different
0:36:48.720,0:36:50.979
spread
0:36:50.979,0:36:55.069
obits and seats across the country and i
do think that given out of scotland and
0:36:55.069,0:36:57.159
wales
0:36:57.159,0:37:00.680
hardly a lecture anyone for the
governing party which has
0:37:00.680,0:37:03.459
morrissey clean power and
0:37:03.459,0:37:05.329
and at the third party has
0:37:05.329,0:37:06.559
not got seats in
0:37:06.559,0:37:11.729
washington's school
0:37:11.729,0:37:14.909
unfortunately the something in the
british temper
0:37:14.909,0:37:16.699
totally disagree with
0:37:16.699,0:37:21.649
that's against united fudging the choice
quite wants to have a clear winner
0:37:21.649,0:37:25.159
throughout common appear decisionmaking
choice in that
0:37:25.159,0:37:27.639
will never take it out in option
0:37:27.639,0:37:31.159
of a bunch of small parties who often
erection then get together and fix it in
0:37:31.159,0:37:34.149
smoke-filled rooms memo democratic
0:37:34.149,0:37:37.769
so that it's fair to say that on extreme
left office ka gold miners union is the
0:37:37.769,0:37:39.849
proportion
0:37:39.849,0:37:42.889
and on the center right people at work
and
0:37:42.889,0:37:49.889
that it's still just doesn't convo hot
0:37:50.199,0:37:53.149
if i can come in on this post a little
some
0:37:53.149,0:37:56.259
it is there and it is real it is there a
little bit patchy
0:37:56.259,0:38:00.479
uh... certainly a friend of mine
microphones terms
0:38:00.479,0:38:02.000
the dislike to diminish but
0:38:02.000,0:38:05.859
uh... majority but a very small majority
uh... in
0:38:05.859,0:38:09.389
what went on the top ten and that the
other other such cases
0:38:09.389,0:38:11.620
what is i think noticeable and
0:38:11.620,0:38:14.809
when talking to follow my iphone this
all the pups
0:38:14.809,0:38:17.059
spins counting on the maltese
0:38:17.059,0:38:18.849
is the extent to which
0:38:18.849,0:38:20.459
uh... people that
0:38:20.459,0:38:22.020
indeed in people who
0:38:22.020,0:38:24.849
and preserve in their jobs
0:38:24.849,0:38:30.770
in typically i the government sector or
in heavy manufacturing industry
0:38:30.770,0:38:32.759
which has been helped out by government
0:38:32.759,0:38:39.319
a bond consequences the that even in
areas of extremely high unemployment
0:38:39.319,0:38:42.899
uh... they've been opportunity for
various government schemes to encourage
0:38:42.899,0:38:43.990
people to start up
0:38:43.990,0:38:45.130
that this is an
0:38:45.130,0:38:48.049
in a small way
0:38:48.049,0:38:50.259
comparatively negligible take a
0:38:50.259,0:38:52.869
has to say it seems to me that
0:38:52.869,0:38:57.609
uh... is been pumping effectively
north-south divide isn't it time culture
0:38:57.609,0:39:00.529
which has been created in some areas
involving quit
0:39:00.529,0:39:01.679
such that
0:39:01.679,0:39:03.390
outside of certain traditional
0:39:03.390,0:39:06.720
but if i i think you never to be
declining forms a of industry
0:39:06.720,0:39:09.710
and had to be declining because these
uh... problems within the industrialized
0:39:09.710,0:39:11.619
countries
0:39:11.619,0:39:13.989
into competition with
0:39:13.989,0:39:16.679
people's initiative it has in this
instance at
0:39:16.679,0:39:20.409
unquote certainly it's a big job to
consider and and and it's difficult even
0:39:20.409,0:39:22.269
to consider
0:39:22.269,0:39:26.539
what government policies computers is
are not pool show but uh... a policy
0:39:26.539,0:39:29.319
said responding to this person involving
0:39:29.319,0:39:32.720
but essentially more saying what was
recreated the problem
0:39:32.720,0:39:35.279
it is going to help
0:39:35.279,0:39:38.700
as to proportional representation and i
i think that that person's right on this
0:39:38.700,0:39:42.829
with one possible exception which is the
proportional representation is typically
0:39:42.829,0:39:44.370
something that they need food
0:39:44.370,0:39:49.650
party in britain will say israeli
mother's idea but uh... it works to the
0:39:49.650,0:39:53.099
advantage altered to large but if the
possibilities to britain
0:39:53.099,0:39:57.239
what's the advantage all of the two
large boxes britain so so that they
0:39:57.239,0:40:01.160
would be highly unlikely to agree to to
make any move
0:40:01.160,0:40:02.660
even if you're on the losing side
0:40:02.660,0:40:04.670
because the they'd they do pretty badly
0:40:04.670,0:40:05.859
uh... out of it
0:40:05.859,0:40:07.380
another element to it is
0:40:07.380,0:40:11.160
that insofar as both within the
conservative party and than the labor
0:40:11.160,0:40:11.839
party
0:40:11.839,0:40:15.689
you have people who take the view that
some quite radical action is needed to
0:40:15.689,0:40:19.390
desperate problems than they were also
going to show either way
0:40:19.390,0:40:22.099
from a a system
0:40:22.099,0:40:26.279
uh... likely to insure but no action
0:40:26.279,0:40:27.440
to pop in and he
0:40:27.440,0:40:31.079
enemy dramatically what's written down
0:40:31.079,0:40:34.589
at a clip from the labor party one of
the labor party leaders excuse me last
0:40:34.589,0:40:38.819
night like to see that now
0:40:38.819,0:40:40.220
muna scanner uh...
0:40:40.220,0:40:43.790
uh... dubbed the dream ticket that
there's nothing in the pacific stands
0:40:43.790,0:40:44.449
firm
0:40:44.449,0:40:49.999
and what about the losing control they
would not have a great deal you from for
0:40:49.999,0:40:52.029
it if it will result
0:40:52.029,0:40:53.180
mccarthy
0:40:53.180,0:40:55.889
definitively principal mexican
0:40:55.889,0:40:57.849
when i first last campaign
0:40:57.849,0:41:01.079
we've reestablish labor party whatever
happened tonight
0:41:01.079,0:41:02.889
as a great national party
0:41:02.889,0:41:05.959
people who were talking or sickness
0:41:05.959,0:41:09.099
but the death of the love part
industrial andres
0:41:09.099,0:41:13.180
on talking about it anymore the airlines
have packed into political oblivion
0:41:13.180,0:41:17.729
whatever happens in line for the party
of their and is the alternative gotten
0:41:17.729,0:41:20.689
to respond
0:41:20.689,0:41:25.809
your that resented under jim site space
0:41:25.809,0:41:28.979
remarkable reasons i wanted to be
removed
0:41:28.979,0:41:33.309
it is a good he's um... you have to say
that of course
0:41:33.309,0:41:34.859
uh... the fact is no
0:41:34.859,0:41:37.019
they were party has lost
0:41:37.019,0:41:40.359
three successive elections
0:41:40.359,0:41:41.999
without a shadow
0:41:41.999,0:41:45.949
of toughest resolving free crushing
defeat
0:41:45.949,0:41:50.099
from a woman who was derided when she
first degree party has a right wing
0:41:50.099,0:41:52.199
extremist for that
0:41:52.199,0:41:53.380
what she herself since
0:41:53.380,0:41:56.579
who'll torrent
0:41:56.579,0:41:58.209
rightly as she said to run
0:41:58.209,0:42:00.809
uh... but she has found something
0:42:00.809,0:42:03.279
uh... in the british lectures
0:42:03.279,0:42:08.589
try has demanded wait for disney risen
near to a non political campaigns
0:42:08.589,0:42:09.769
con replica
0:42:09.769,0:42:14.419
now that's a serious defeated perhaps we
pretend otherwise
0:42:14.419,0:42:15.769
part of what dimensionality
0:42:15.769,0:42:20.010
reestablish the labor party expense of
the alliance well-read party however
0:42:20.010,0:42:23.660
people ought to be but he listens gives
himself alive are talking about three
0:42:23.660,0:42:24.849
parties
0:42:24.849,0:42:28.759
uh... the fact is the by conceding that
there is now three party system
0:42:28.759,0:42:33.460
he's amazing that uh... labor card even
mobilize all the anti tory burch which
0:42:33.460,0:42:36.219
it used to be able to do effortless
0:42:36.219,0:42:38.809
and if you're free partisan britain
labor committee will be a majority
0:42:38.809,0:42:39.999
government
0:42:39.999,0:42:42.239
and so i think mister has the is
whistling
0:42:42.239,0:42:44.999
current like anything yes if i could
0:42:44.999,0:42:49.390
i think that one feature of the labor
party company picked up
0:42:49.390,0:42:53.589
uh... quite a lot of the listed
expecting line
0:42:53.589,0:42:55.309
it was the specialty in
0:42:55.309,0:42:58.829
for example these commercials a
0:42:58.829,0:43:01.549
uh... cannot and his wife
0:43:01.549,0:43:04.960
bouncing of kept plots and then in a way
not unlike uh...
0:43:04.960,0:43:05.760
uh... will
0:43:05.760,0:43:09.349
president and his wife in in in in
previous such films that that that that
0:43:09.349,0:43:11.039
attracted the attention
0:43:11.039,0:43:13.030
of and interest all these people
0:43:13.030,0:43:16.349
on the way that's quite symptomatic and
relates to
0:43:16.349,0:43:18.469
appointed making
0:43:18.469,0:43:20.899
to save the labor party
0:43:20.899,0:43:24.539
based aidid
0:43:24.539,0:43:27.229
of uh... the periods
0:43:27.229,0:43:30.799
arguing on since nineteen
0:43:30.799,0:43:32.280
which is really the in britain
0:43:32.280,0:43:34.599
uh... political attitudes voting day
0:43:34.599,0:43:36.659
dictated in many ways
0:43:36.659,0:43:38.889
people such economic status
0:43:38.889,0:43:41.709
kind of job which they're important so
on
0:43:41.709,0:43:46.500
the labor party is in this respect
unlucky the has been uh... undermining
0:43:46.500,0:43:49.020
of it's unnatural base of those people
who
0:43:49.020,0:43:53.019
uh... really develop full would vote for
the labor party as they did
0:43:53.019,0:43:56.059
equip themselves now since nineteen
forty five
0:43:56.059,0:43:59.460
has been a gradual process of
destabilization all such
0:43:59.460,0:44:03.500
knee-jerk support understanding
something which gradually the liberal
0:44:03.500,0:44:04.740
party has picked up
0:44:04.740,0:44:08.310
uh... which when the social democrats
joined them they just simply continued i
0:44:08.310,0:44:10.729
mean that there there was no there was
no
0:44:10.729,0:44:14.579
for big restricted to simpy continuation
of a trend that was that
0:44:14.579,0:44:19.259
but these people controllable typically
from mike across the city spectrum
0:44:19.259,0:44:23.650
and they fight against also will be
people who might be a probable responses
0:44:23.650,0:44:28.099
to declined bitch labor party made
0:44:28.099,0:44:32.089
certainly the labor party didn't do
because well did rather better than one
0:44:32.089,0:44:33.349
might have expected
0:44:33.349,0:44:38.099
unwitting the evening being to take the
stand about getting
0:44:38.099,0:44:43.059
those birds and that sort of support if
i remember the labor party
0:44:43.059,0:44:45.390
it was supportable role the different
kind
0:44:45.390,0:44:47.589
from that which i depend on previously
0:44:47.589,0:44:49.579
the less the by the party itself
0:44:49.579,0:44:53.969
uh... blooper willing ready to turn its
back on its roots along
0:44:53.969,0:44:58.599
let me tell nigel companies and make a
pitch for the kind of territory but
0:44:58.599,0:45:00.890
levels in the senate democrats about
britain
0:45:00.890,0:45:04.479
i need to be very difficult for them to
retains
0:45:04.479,0:45:07.829
let's go to portland oregon
0:45:07.829,0:45:14.829
old opera
0:45:33.139,0:45:40.139
now
0:46:03.979,0:46:10.979
okay
0:46:12.650,0:46:19.650
the
0:46:54.410,0:46:58.479
very
0:46:58.479,0:47:01.859
to tool for us but i didn't mean to
imply that the american base in britain
0:47:01.859,0:47:03.279
are like say the american
0:47:03.279,0:47:04.819
basic here but
0:47:04.819,0:47:05.620
uh... that that
0:47:05.620,0:47:07.239
that they're part of
0:47:07.239,0:47:10.839
united states to attend
0:47:10.839,0:47:12.219
uh...
0:47:12.219,0:47:16.569
spas and of the quintana basic interest
an example of that
0:47:16.569,0:47:19.999
uh... aren't clearly their main british
soil but they do they are not on the
0:47:19.999,0:47:23.289
bridge control anymore on the cruise
inflation missiles
0:47:23.289,0:47:25.949
uh... and it was never a treaty
0:47:25.949,0:47:26.809
uh... as there is
0:47:26.809,0:47:29.829
with other countries in which braces
aside
0:47:29.829,0:47:33.880
nor was there ever debate in parliament
than it is this that fuels
0:47:33.880,0:47:36.969
must purchase so
0:47:36.969,0:47:40.189
if i was in such a thing about that
before that time now
0:47:40.189,0:47:42.509
estimate so i think you you'll
0:47:42.509,0:47:45.839
you're not quite so is it in contrast to
the c
0:47:45.839,0:47:47.009
isn't that too
0:47:47.009,0:47:48.249
a two-tier
0:47:48.249,0:47:55.249
no
0:47:57.289,0:48:04.289
earn
0:48:26.420,0:48:30.489
v
0:48:30.489,0:48:33.869
to tool for us but i didn't mean to
imply that the american base in britain
0:48:33.869,0:48:35.280
are like say the american
0:48:35.280,0:48:36.829
basic here but
0:48:36.829,0:48:37.630
uh... that that
0:48:37.630,0:48:39.249
that they're part of
0:48:39.249,0:48:42.829
united states to attend
0:48:42.829,0:48:44.219
uh...
0:48:44.219,0:48:48.579
spas and of the quintana basically
within itself
0:48:48.579,0:48:51.909
uh... aren't clearly they remain british
soil but they do they are not under
0:48:51.909,0:48:55.299
british control anymore cruise version
missiles
0:48:55.299,0:48:57.979
uh... and it was never a treaty
0:48:57.979,0:48:58.819
uh... as there is
0:48:58.819,0:49:01.829
with other countries braces aside
0:49:01.829,0:49:05.889
nor was there ever debate in parliament
obstinate is this that fuels
0:49:05.889,0:49:08.979
must present so
0:49:08.979,0:49:12.199
if i wasn't specifically about that
before the time now
0:49:12.199,0:49:14.519
as for may so i think you you'll
0:49:14.519,0:49:17.839
you're not quite so is it in contrast
the c
0:49:17.839,0:49:19.009
isn't bad
0:49:19.009,0:49:20.160
a two-tier
0:49:20.160,0:49:23.059
european economic community
0:49:23.059,0:49:25.709
hotly symmetrical with the two tenacious
0:49:25.709,0:49:28.939
southern european countries such as
greece
0:49:28.939,0:49:32.889
tokyo doesn't get quite in the e_c_ and
and icily
0:49:32.889,0:49:35.869
have always had a lot more fractious
relationship with the nato
0:49:35.869,0:49:39.289
like because they really aren't
0:49:39.289,0:49:43.109
and the uh... them an orthodontic house
have
0:49:43.109,0:49:47.079
uh... i think you're right though that
there is a
0:49:47.079,0:49:51.079
fissile tendency that that's what i
think it is is one that uh... has a more
0:49:51.079,0:49:54.049
western european
0:49:54.049,0:49:58.459
and that groups to create in the end
uh... europe the cam
0:49:58.459,0:50:01.779
defend itself doesn't need to be at the
mercy
0:50:01.779,0:50:03.459
or by the city
0:50:03.459,0:50:04.949
now in his
0:50:04.949,0:50:07.599
admittedly bacon sometimes nancy
0:50:07.599,0:50:09.519
absolutely yet
0:50:09.519,0:50:12.419
expressive mrs thatcher is cool peeps
from schools
0:50:12.419,0:50:15.439
she's not much of a european and never
has been
0:50:15.439,0:50:17.119
particularly
0:50:17.119,0:50:19.979
mailto good
0:50:19.979,0:50:22.069
but uh...
0:50:22.069,0:50:24.409
none of that happy
0:50:24.409,0:50:28.150
about the apparently automatic
subordination
0:50:28.150,0:50:30.399
making united states
0:50:30.399,0:50:34.319
in foreign and defense policy into
revert to the question you asked earlier
0:50:34.319,0:50:36.400
i think that
0:50:36.400,0:50:39.160
nero set when she becomes when your
president
0:50:39.160,0:50:40.699
itself
0:50:40.699,0:50:44.689
the senior european statesman one might
find paradoxically that it would be the
0:50:44.689,0:50:47.029
tourism which are team more
0:50:47.029,0:50:48.009
independent
0:50:48.009,0:50:52.400
and european coursework that'll be very
interesting
0:50:52.400,0:50:54.909
since need to be
0:50:54.909,0:50:55.599
leslie
0:50:55.599,0:50:56.669
on this
0:50:56.669,0:51:00.339
to be something extremely attractive
about the idea
0:51:00.339,0:51:04.289
uh... western europe the coming going to
be responsible for its and parents
0:51:04.289,0:51:05.109
um...
0:51:05.109,0:51:08.819
this i think it would have in the longer
term
0:51:08.819,0:51:12.419
defusing consequences on on the
international scene because
0:51:12.419,0:51:14.549
uh... measures which
0:51:14.549,0:51:15.730
the united states
0:51:15.730,0:51:18.249
uh... maybe taking
0:51:18.249,0:51:19.079
in the
0:51:19.079,0:51:21.209
defense of the west is a whole
0:51:21.209,0:51:24.079
uh... kind i think the burial will crawl
threatening
0:51:24.079,0:51:25.430
uh... whereas if
0:51:25.430,0:51:27.749
or western europe will involved
0:51:27.749,0:51:31.079
essentially with it with defensiveness
and measures just for itself
0:51:31.079,0:51:34.579
uh... then it will be rubble difficult
for anyone else to uh...
0:51:34.579,0:51:36.979
picture these things and being
aggressive
0:51:36.979,0:51:38.910
the difficulty about that
0:51:38.910,0:51:40.799
uh... is the cost of it
0:51:40.799,0:51:44.479
uh... i mean that's to say that beat the
problems facing
0:51:44.479,0:51:45.559
uh... europe
0:51:45.559,0:51:48.679
uh... outside of them
0:51:48.679,0:51:51.029
who is going to pay for a look at this
time
0:51:51.029,0:51:55.089
uh... one of the problem i think facing
unit in is the following
0:51:55.089,0:51:57.369
uh... suppose that he had been returned
0:51:57.369,0:51:59.909
on the pop on the declared policy
0:51:59.909,0:52:01.960
the first thing mama's oscars uh...
0:52:01.960,0:52:03.799
what would actually have happened
0:52:03.799,0:52:07.749
uh... we didn't really have been the
case that uh...
0:52:07.749,0:52:11.299
uh... america would be most of the
current spaces would would would this
0:52:11.299,0:52:14.199
with the direction taken with a little
bit skeptical about that
0:52:14.199,0:52:17.859
but they supposedly world
0:52:17.859,0:52:19.030
and any other
0:52:19.030,0:52:22.609
western european government involved in
the situation of of really having to
0:52:22.609,0:52:24.259
spend it and feet
0:52:24.259,0:52:26.520
would be faced with doing what will
0:52:26.520,0:52:28.069
either
0:52:28.069,0:52:32.119
keeping its own nuclear forces is a
going concern and this is something that
0:52:32.119,0:52:36.069
but that britain has as down there that
towers are identified with it but it's
0:52:36.069,0:52:37.939
frightening expensive
0:52:37.939,0:52:39.819
or what
0:52:39.819,0:52:41.230
conventional forces
0:52:41.230,0:52:42.589
uh... if one looks at that
0:52:42.589,0:52:44.519
conventional forces in britain
0:52:44.519,0:52:48.909
the the cost of getting these up to
relisted level as compared to the to the
0:52:48.909,0:52:53.559
u_s_s_r_ is quite phenomenal also would
lead to enormous difficult as white
0:52:53.559,0:52:55.969
because britain doesn't have any form of
conscription
0:52:55.969,0:52:58.140
what is going to campaign for mfa
0:52:58.140,0:53:00.790
but the comparable numbers of people who
alone
0:53:00.790,0:53:03.890
uh... again to be sitting in trenches
watching what what you know
0:53:03.890,0:53:07.740
russian counterparts they'd be the
realities of this i think so it's not a
0:53:07.740,0:53:10.710
stop to get um... revere that
problematic so
0:53:10.710,0:53:14.130
well it seems to me that there's only
more was among the three unlawfully
0:53:14.130,0:53:15.039
about the
0:53:15.039,0:53:16.969
current situation
0:53:16.969,0:53:20.319
uh... if as by the western europeans are
concerned they get quite a mystery right
0:53:20.319,0:53:22.030
at the expense of the united states
0:53:22.030,0:53:25.570
uh... ans pride in a way that the u_s_
is actually willing to pick up the tab
0:53:25.570,0:53:26.470
for this one
0:53:26.470,0:53:28.679
and i would expect uh...
0:53:28.679,0:53:31.200
with the passing of time uh... four
0:53:31.200,0:53:35.770
uh... u_s_ to itself take more of an
isolationist move uh... and for the
0:53:35.770,0:53:40.279
responsibility of knocking off itself to
be to be placed a bit more firmly
0:53:40.279,0:53:42.329
on western europe
0:53:42.329,0:53:46.480
then would require the western european
governments acted to bite the bullet
0:53:46.480,0:53:49.140
and incident what realistically that
would do
0:53:49.140,0:53:51.059
in terms of meeting the enormous cost of
0:53:51.059,0:53:53.809
the uh... of differences with the puzzle
0:53:53.809,0:53:56.089
let's go into the gulf coast pensacola
florida
0:53:56.089,0:53:57.319
you're on the air
0:53:57.319,0:54:04.319
i have
0:54:16.689,0:54:19.939
arms characteristic
0:54:19.939,0:54:21.989
by no means the senate
0:54:21.989,0:54:26.709
historic enemies very tactful
0:54:26.709,0:54:31.059
no
0:54:31.059,0:54:32.420
well
0:54:32.420,0:54:35.219
it's about a reckoned i'd
0:54:35.219,0:54:38.519
consideration but i can tell you that
uh... until the congress party contested
0:54:38.519,0:54:40.379
this election
0:54:40.379,0:54:43.799
has every election britain since the war
0:54:43.799,0:54:47.759
getting a total i think about fifty
thousand roads anexo done better than
0:54:47.759,0:54:50.389
that cover them p's and q point com
0:54:50.389,0:54:52.409
no i haven't sent
0:54:52.409,0:54:55.779
in the last few years of reformist
parties vision to
0:54:55.779,0:54:58.739
question its relationship to save
0:54:58.739,0:55:02.129
and i don't think that those two willow
survive i think it should be
0:55:02.129,0:55:02.880
people
0:55:02.880,0:55:05.789
whose party
0:55:05.789,0:55:06.819
liked shows
0:55:06.819,0:55:07.940
right now we're going to go to a club
0:55:07.940,0:55:11.170
social what i would like to emphasize
that the following well the communist
0:55:11.170,0:55:14.760
party as an organization is quite
separate from the labor party
0:55:14.760,0:55:18.460
uh... many people who would have used
similar to those in the communist party
0:55:18.460,0:55:19.090
off
0:55:19.090,0:55:22.539
members and indeed in some cases leading
man
0:55:22.539,0:55:25.329
uh... it was historically the case uh...
0:55:25.329,0:55:29.440
st just off to the second world war that
the labor party with particular king
0:55:29.440,0:55:31.889
the systematically root out
0:55:31.889,0:55:35.439
people who
0:55:35.439,0:55:38.670
not exact people who holds onto use but
but but certainly people who were
0:55:38.670,0:55:41.829
suspected all membership all
0:55:41.829,0:55:45.849
communist parties all the forms of
organized marxist groupings
0:55:45.849,0:55:49.410
there has been uh... decided but
weakening on this particular point
0:55:49.410,0:55:54.650
within the labor party acuna cousin so
rather dig into simple militant tendency
0:55:54.650,0:55:58.549
which is a pain in large grouping within
the labor party who
0:55:58.549,0:56:00.910
i think can be pretty reliably the
0:56:00.910,0:56:05.800
uh... identified as uh... members all a
particular props gets political party
0:56:05.800,0:56:09.140
and they they themselves were planted
and as such things and architect
0:56:09.140,0:56:12.780
what is striking is that while the
number of people on the right of the
0:56:12.780,0:56:13.760
labor party
0:56:13.760,0:56:16.129
a lot of a certain extent canning kam
self
0:56:16.129,0:56:19.580
identified with the the wish to do
something about this
0:56:19.580,0:56:25.179
a good number of very senior people
within the labor party not take the view
0:56:25.179,0:56:28.549
uh... substances within the labor party
uh... ob
0:56:28.549,0:56:31.769
competed to determine indicates most
appropriate than any action should be
0:56:31.769,0:56:33.209
taken against
0:56:33.209,0:56:36.119
so that in this but in this kind of
respect i don't think that i being
0:56:36.119,0:56:37.739
unfairly profits
0:56:37.739,0:56:39.910
uh... one can say that while to be sure
that is this
0:56:39.910,0:56:41.109
filling uh...
0:56:41.109,0:56:42.789
uh... british communist party
0:56:42.789,0:56:44.269
there are many people all
0:56:44.269,0:56:45.150
symbol of yours
0:56:45.150,0:56:49.130
or in some cases slightly more radically
monsters used who were indeed are
0:56:49.130,0:56:52.660
members of the labor party under certain
number of them have not been elected as
0:56:52.660,0:56:54.309
as they turn these
0:56:54.309,0:56:57.260
a talk briefly about the alliance
partner mcconico clep
0:56:57.260,0:56:58.240
first of all
0:56:58.240,0:57:00.120
besides social democrats
0:57:00.120,0:57:01.049
liberals
0:57:01.049,0:57:03.069
thirty miles i get that right
0:57:03.069,0:57:05.259
was in the alliance
0:57:05.259,0:57:06.749
know the alliance
0:57:06.749,0:57:09.949
courses over doesn't it is in the last
part is you had to say to school the
0:57:09.949,0:57:12.059
alliance for convenience
0:57:12.059,0:57:15.039
is an electoral
0:57:15.039,0:57:17.709
between the old liberal party of
historic liberal party of gladstone
0:57:17.709,0:57:20.779
asked if you will that used to
0:57:20.779,0:57:25.819
even atul pocket government was eclipsed
by labor unified century
0:57:25.819,0:57:27.769
and of the social democrats
0:57:27.769,0:57:30.179
with who also came to the party
0:57:30.179,0:57:32.039
locked in the main
0:57:32.039,0:57:34.749
people who defected from draper
0:57:34.749,0:57:38.189
complaining of a drift to the left
0:57:38.189,0:57:41.129
the late nineteen seventies and early
nineteen eighties
0:57:41.129,0:57:43.429
including several from account
0:57:43.429,0:57:47.599
is is a risk marriage if you can join
either party but you will you would find
0:57:47.599,0:57:48.799
it though
0:57:48.799,0:57:52.159
that any in any considers you one puts
up and that the other will mean they
0:57:52.159,0:57:54.429
have
0:57:54.429,0:57:55.679
unintended
0:57:55.679,0:58:00.269
let's go to that sound clip of the can
now
0:58:00.269,0:58:03.529
what was wrong then with the alliance
campaign
0:58:03.529,0:58:04.660
well i'm not sure
0:58:04.660,0:58:05.830
that anything was wrong
0:58:05.830,0:58:08.270
i think the message you know he loves
0:58:08.270,0:58:12.029
net world view mister obviously learn
lessons from campaign
0:58:12.029,0:58:12.809
but it's a little
0:58:12.809,0:58:15.009
steinman main question is
0:58:15.009,0:58:16.319
what was
0:58:16.319,0:58:21.529
with the concerted message why does that
still managed to hold up i think the on
0:58:21.529,0:58:22.489
certain
0:58:22.489,0:58:23.749
but we weren't
0:58:23.749,0:58:25.709
we didn't come from stronger
0:58:25.709,0:58:26.739
to give people
0:58:26.739,0:58:29.289
confidence steamy incentives
0:58:29.289,0:58:32.149
and that's been the problem that they
have strong law
0:58:32.149,0:58:35.919
and they must be many conservatives have
exactly like yours conservative
0:58:35.919,0:58:39.269
governments has been doing and yes
fairer
0:58:39.269,0:58:41.099
variety of things
0:58:41.099,0:58:45.849
allowed him to come and vote for us nor
indeed these fish numbers from impulsive
0:58:45.849,0:58:47.749
nine of us have done well
0:58:47.749,0:58:50.809
all you personally now prepared to
consider
0:58:50.809,0:58:52.299
emerged with them
0:58:52.299,0:58:55.869
well this is a massive for the members
of the participants in the universe is
0:58:55.869,0:58:56.689
this
0:58:56.689,0:59:02.019
i'm a democrat i'll talk to sort of most
democratic party and at seven being in
0:59:02.019,0:59:06.819
this country and uh... we have one
member one better valid arrangements it
0:59:06.819,0:59:10.809
will be discussed i don't think myself
to ship carrying two decisions
0:59:10.809,0:59:15.669
immediate solutions may appear that's
also real problems that also creates
0:59:15.669,0:59:18.249
many problems uh... i don't think back
in
0:59:18.249,0:59:21.769
but at this stage one should make any
firm decision except to say it's a
0:59:21.769,0:59:22.769
perfect
0:59:22.769,0:59:27.660
legitimate debate she's bound to go on
and all parties will be steps to talk
0:59:27.660,0:59:34.660
capsule for sexual c and it will in all
probability goes through this
0:59:34.769,0:59:37.719
what do you work which are assessed at
sei
0:59:37.719,0:59:39.559
his statement well
0:59:39.559,0:59:44.109
the alarmed certainly haven't done very
well in part i think it was the full of
0:59:44.109,0:59:48.159
the leaders of the airline's leads to
say that there was a they built into a
0:59:48.159,0:59:50.389
mess about their own
0:59:50.389,0:59:54.940
uh... diesel defense policy uh... there
was also an ambiguity as to
0:59:54.940,0:59:59.260
if they had come in the position of
effingham and that's a very souls
0:59:59.260,1:00:02.950
or of being in a position form some sort
of coalition government one of the other
1:00:02.950,1:00:03.680
parties
1:00:03.680,1:00:06.009
but the crew would have taken the lead
between him
1:00:06.009,1:00:08.189
and steel
1:00:08.189,1:00:11.819
they were also kids it seems to me on
this particular case and by the source
1:00:11.819,1:00:13.309
of soul that was given
1:00:13.309,1:00:15.229
by the labor party to milk in it
1:00:15.229,1:00:17.210
has to say for looks back
1:00:17.210,1:00:21.509
point at which the social democrats left
the labor party one in which it looked
1:00:21.509,1:00:24.949
very much as if increasing park
1:00:24.949,1:00:27.839
falling into the hands of the
1:00:27.839,1:00:31.170
strong left wing people in labor party
1:00:31.170,1:00:35.550
in which also a lot more part was being
given to the local activists in the
1:00:35.550,1:00:36.650
various uh...
1:00:36.650,1:00:38.039
different
1:00:38.039,1:00:39.650
parliamentary constituencies
1:00:39.650,1:00:41.419
as opposed to
1:00:41.419,1:00:44.869
uh... the way in which things at work
before which is the the sir
1:00:44.869,1:00:47.650
things have been settled essentially by
the being done by the parliamentary
1:00:47.650,1:00:50.249
labor party who much more to the right
1:00:50.249,1:00:55.009
what happened with the particular so
given this time to the labor party
1:00:55.009,1:00:58.930
that kinnock was emphasized indeed
1:00:58.930,1:01:02.759
has been in the position to exercise
these for the time being a bit more
1:01:02.759,1:01:04.509
authority in party
1:01:04.509,1:01:08.299
such that the very thing that left then
led his people to go out of the labor
1:01:08.299,1:01:08.989
party
1:01:08.989,1:01:12.020
with null null keenan in any very
obvious way there
1:01:12.020,1:01:16.059
also they did this the problem is moving
with with with can frolicking across the
1:01:16.059,1:01:19.109
clips retreat certainly looked at the
track didn't seem to use
1:01:19.109,1:01:24.830
used to uh... uh... uh... leaders of the
allied uh... looking i think this
1:01:24.830,1:01:27.369
increasingly cv as time went well so
1:01:27.369,1:01:30.729
on the in in a way the the alone
1:01:30.729,1:01:33.829
the media's attraction particularly all
1:01:33.829,1:01:35.660
david owen group who was
1:01:35.660,1:01:38.770
was seen very much of those taking
british politics
1:01:38.770,1:01:43.649
in a row the self-consciously american
direction that uh... this
1:01:43.649,1:01:45.949
the impact of that
1:01:45.949,1:01:51.709
was lost in favor of the particular sort
of campaign
1:01:51.709,1:01:53.849
meyer farrakhan chinaman
1:01:53.849,1:01:55.409
my favorite
1:01:55.409,1:01:59.959
i think a distilling opportunist
minuscule when they seek to until two
1:01:59.959,1:02:04.649
as wanting to be one knowledge looks at
much likewise as a stillbirth
1:02:04.649,1:02:09.019
that there was an occasional which they
both appeared on them
1:02:09.019,1:02:10.239
and would be an interview
1:02:10.239,1:02:12.509
looking like to them
1:02:12.509,1:02:17.789
ashu give it more like i was in costello
dvd and answer and um...
1:02:17.789,1:02:20.380
the interview are still a proper
question off which is which
1:02:20.380,1:02:24.449
party of the other two main parties do
most consider
1:02:24.449,1:02:27.269
uh... you arrival which deep which you
must decide
1:02:27.269,1:02:30.890
and steel was opening his mouth say the
tours and david ensor delayed because
1:02:30.890,1:02:32.899
the defense
1:02:32.899,1:02:39.209
and still just so shut his mouth and
sent back well thats
1:02:39.209,1:02:42.959
burns answers correct i can tell him
until you mean there's no room for two
1:02:42.959,1:02:43.859
toward
1:02:43.859,1:02:47.569
we've already got a very very big one
territory
1:02:47.569,1:02:49.560
estan el paso texas you're on
1:02:49.560,1:02:53.929
her
1:02:53.929,1:02:56.739
it are
1:02:56.739,1:03:01.899
yeah
1:03:01.899,1:03:06.940
are to
1:03:06.940,1:03:09.989
ali
1:03:09.989,1:03:13.489
detail
1:03:13.489,1:03:18.379
theory
1:03:18.379,1:03:20.099
art finger when
1:03:20.099,1:03:21.579
we
1:03:21.579,1:03:22.579
full measure
1:03:22.579,1:03:26.299
with the disaster the arrangement
1:03:26.299,1:03:28.019
will be spoiled for choice
1:03:28.019,1:03:32.749
side which was steepest long-run thing
did but among them
1:03:32.749,1:03:35.259
high on the list will have to be
1:03:35.259,1:03:39.619
inauguration a trade war with japan
while trying
1:03:39.619,1:03:40.910
uh... two-edged
1:03:40.910,1:03:42.559
three miniaturized
1:03:42.559,1:03:44.849
won all the other server not but
1:03:44.849,1:03:47.839
going to have the most profoundly
harmful
1:03:47.839,1:03:52.719
it would be awfully long europe
accomplishments n
1:03:52.719,1:03:55.020
yes if i can just pull in briefly first
of all
1:03:55.020,1:03:59.389
i think that this is mister all one
doesn
1:03:59.389,1:04:00.890
uh... it seems to me that
1:04:00.890,1:04:05.899
in japanese products uncertain
1:04:05.899,1:04:10.029
features of objective management
1:04:10.029,1:04:12.959
removed from these people going to men
see
1:04:12.959,1:04:16.219
and uh... i i think that this be
extremely short sighted review for you
1:04:16.219,1:04:17.429
with two
1:04:17.429,1:04:20.179
attempt to excluding pro-market
1:04:20.179,1:04:22.449
in terms of
1:04:22.449,1:04:24.819
assuming the cost of defense
1:04:24.819,1:04:29.639
bench so difficult one and certainly
given the misgivings about
1:04:29.639,1:04:33.699
japan but still seem to be a very real
natural barista i think that that it
1:04:33.699,1:04:34.569
wouldn't be
1:04:34.569,1:04:40.729
uh... very welcome suggestion to to
consider nation real and defense costs
1:04:40.729,1:04:41.669
possibly
1:04:41.669,1:04:46.359
uh... but i think that the the important
lesson really is too
1:04:46.359,1:04:49.819
that we should be landing is that we
should be keeping our markets open that
1:04:49.819,1:04:53.079
we should be willing to learn
1:04:53.079,1:04:57.299
to imitate as indeed the japanese done
so that um... we intend to talk better
1:04:57.299,1:04:58.230
treatments
1:04:58.230,1:05:00.929
uh... as they did it with some of them
1:05:00.929,1:05:03.029
burbank illinois you're on
1:05:03.029,1:05:04.589
eka
1:05:04.589,1:05:06.269
uh... i was wondering
1:05:06.269,1:05:07.279
about this
1:05:07.279,1:05:13.089
greater thatcher chronology a falkland
islands
1:05:13.089,1:05:15.759
nader they handled it
1:05:15.759,1:05:21.099
within predicate made out with five
thousand approve right beat up on the
1:05:21.099,1:05:23.859
controversial uh... q
1:05:23.859,1:05:29.079
structured workers margaret thatcher
higher to build a paris trip concord i
1:05:29.079,1:05:30.839
think probably
1:05:30.839,1:05:37.839
case uh... we really have a prenatal
kelly reportedly green web
1:05:37.939,1:05:42.599
and uh... article is upset about that
1:05:42.599,1:05:46.199
radio collar up at that don't worry
about the american taxpayer little
1:05:46.199,1:05:48.239
either airport
1:05:48.239,1:05:54.019
and also i want to get arrested uh...
autopsy puked out there at the ballpark
1:05:54.019,1:06:01.019
and uh... you know article p_r_ that i
was just wondering microbiologist right
1:06:01.829,1:06:05.259
rome washington like you might 'em
1:06:05.259,1:06:09.189
there were i mean wrong i'm not just in
chronology uh...
1:06:09.189,1:06:13.189
the i was a great at the time of the the
airport was being built depicted such
1:06:13.189,1:06:16.779
workers at the request of the canadian
government which needed
1:06:16.779,1:06:19.529
an international airport which united
states government didn't think it would
1:06:19.529,1:06:21.269
be allowed to her
1:06:21.269,1:06:24.439
because it said it could be used for
military aircraft and prove the point by
1:06:24.439,1:06:27.729
landing cacao vision of uh... and um...
1:06:27.729,1:06:29.199
well rather
1:06:29.199,1:06:33.819
absolute exactly what's going to be part
of uh...
1:06:33.819,1:06:37.180
or some time off the phone
1:06:37.180,1:06:39.319
there was a british objections
1:06:39.319,1:06:41.199
in greeley really a matter of
1:06:41.199,1:06:43.150
and will prob
1:06:43.150,1:06:44.689
vation because
1:06:44.689,1:06:48.130
but it was a member of the commonwealth
its head of state a semester
1:06:48.130,1:06:49.909
units second
1:06:49.909,1:06:51.529
and it was felt
1:06:51.529,1:06:54.220
that the british at least have been told
1:06:54.220,1:06:56.569
if american forces been abused
1:06:56.569,1:06:58.839
in such a country
1:06:58.839,1:07:00.369
the response to that
1:07:00.369,1:07:02.069
things to say well
1:07:02.069,1:07:05.009
will join over the four comes didn't we
1:07:05.009,1:07:07.989
which wasn't which is really a non
sequitur onset
1:07:07.989,1:07:10.489
uh... i was pretty true because actually
if either
1:07:10.489,1:07:12.849
presently have been carnage
1:07:12.849,1:07:17.179
general got areas is fascist to ship
objectively they could get away with
1:07:17.179,1:07:19.359
anything
1:07:19.359,1:07:23.869
in return for it's helping the death
squad nicaraguan country
1:07:23.869,1:07:26.839
which it was doing there would know they
would look ever most of the arrogance
1:07:26.839,1:07:30.269
standard opens in the first person who
will be spent a great deal of trouble
1:07:30.269,1:07:33.229
i think there were britain's own fault
in the construction the airport i think
1:07:33.229,1:07:34.990
in the control tower bringin
1:07:34.990,1:07:38.010
some systems it is true to say that the
present government which is
1:07:38.010,1:07:41.410
uh... reps and very undeveloped country
indeed had foreign aid from
1:07:41.410,1:07:44.459
holland from switzerland belgian
prospered though
1:07:44.459,1:07:45.969
the
1:07:45.969,1:07:48.150
crucial matter that was the the
1:07:48.150,1:07:49.589
with the chemical
1:07:49.589,1:07:51.849
motivated yeah
1:07:51.849,1:07:56.559
yes i i recall being in the u_s_ just
off the the british invasion of the
1:07:56.559,1:07:58.549
falkland islands and uh...
1:07:58.549,1:08:01.940
with attending a triple being given by
the american economist marry rough
1:08:01.940,1:08:04.599
bother me dot on tue onto some of these
matters
1:08:04.599,1:08:07.260
and i suggested in the end but possibly
1:08:07.260,1:08:08.030
the best
1:08:08.030,1:08:11.569
moved reagan could make to alicia lah
reelection
1:08:11.569,1:08:16.029
will be to persuade the cubans to lend
ellis island and then a ceremonial
1:08:16.029,1:08:17.259
expelled them
1:08:17.259,1:08:21.049
uh... i i didn't would be a bit time
that someone might have been listening
1:08:21.049,1:08:27.339
to this uh... announce uh... within the
u_s_ up to this business in granada
1:08:27.339,1:08:30.060
we've heard so far from the alliance
from the labor party and now it's time
1:08:30.060,1:08:35.650
to hear from the conservative party
freaking out that clip now
1:08:35.650,1:08:38.650
what about what all the police's
particularly to think that have
1:08:38.650,1:08:41.299
attracted people to the conservatives
once again the time
1:08:41.299,1:08:43.149
strength of the economy
1:08:43.149,1:08:48.449
uh... uh... openness about how proposals
in contrast of the seat of the labor
1:08:48.449,1:08:49.589
party
1:08:49.589,1:08:54.549
and the way in which the labor party was
caught out time and time again trying to
1:08:54.549,1:08:56.309
conceal its policies
1:08:56.309,1:09:00.779
and eventually of course the incident
sulfur one particular like a shadow
1:09:00.779,1:09:04.370
minister becoming very abusive when he
was corpau
1:09:04.370,1:09:08.529
you think that instant referring to that
mister helium mister heelys
1:09:08.529,1:09:12.150
uh... instant on t_v_ i_m_f_ what it
will affect on the floor well i think it
1:09:12.150,1:09:13.790
just shop and lee
1:09:13.790,1:09:17.160
point that we were making that there is
a great element of to see some hypocrisy
1:09:17.160,1:09:20.080
in labor party it on the line that
1:09:20.080,1:09:23.230
what about the position of assistant
what would you say was her contribution
1:09:23.230,1:09:25.850
to the success thirty one how much has
been made of
1:09:25.850,1:09:29.759
position as leader unless the person for
whom people vote for don't well i think
1:09:29.759,1:09:33.739
she and i am dot colleagues and uh...
all the conservative party workers in
1:09:33.739,1:09:36.019
the country of minded between us
1:09:36.019,1:09:40.029
uh... and i think that's the right way
to the fact that uh... a team effort
1:09:40.029,1:09:43.359
as she knew that it and the rest of us
back to top
1:09:43.359,1:09:47.939
and they voted so far on these
indications seem to given her voter
1:09:47.939,1:09:49.649
approval
1:09:49.649,1:09:51.859
pressure greed assessment
1:09:51.859,1:09:53.980
uh... more than i'd like us are fun to
have it
1:09:53.980,1:09:57.489
uniquely to test for packed uh... i'm i
wish i had the local knowledge to be
1:09:57.489,1:10:00.510
sure of what he means by the denis healy
1:10:00.510,1:10:04.389
incident and very may know but i i can
imagine what it must be must be that
1:10:04.389,1:10:05.760
uh...
1:10:05.760,1:10:09.920
denis healy who is spokesman for former
defense policy parties know not to be is
1:10:09.920,1:10:13.480
keen on some and not expect that
1:10:13.480,1:10:15.539
ka came out
1:10:15.539,1:10:20.369
the truth is that i think labor did
rather tried
1:10:20.369,1:10:26.190
i've tried to run without taking any of
the shoppers is
1:10:26.190,1:10:27.739
uh... where they might not too much
1:10:27.739,1:10:30.550
show might reveal parties
1:10:30.550,1:10:33.459
so people but cannot grow
1:10:33.459,1:10:36.849
and a found that there is a sort of
skepticism in the electorate that
1:10:36.849,1:10:40.719
doesn't respond to that but knows when
it's been himself so probably would have
1:10:40.719,1:10:42.469
done no works
1:10:42.469,1:10:44.900
to run on the left program honestly
1:10:44.900,1:10:48.250
them to be suspected of having one
pretending not
1:10:48.250,1:10:49.979
if i could comment on that
1:10:49.979,1:10:51.979
seems to me picking up
1:10:51.979,1:10:56.469
tibbetts point before most what really
in britain's contribute strength on
1:10:56.469,1:10:57.760
monday
1:10:57.760,1:11:00.719
the big achievement of the present after
government
1:11:00.719,1:11:02.449
uh... being to check
1:11:02.449,1:11:03.870
the powerful the
1:11:03.870,1:11:05.429
british trade unions
1:11:05.429,1:11:07.010
which should have
1:11:07.010,1:11:12.659
particularly conservative
1:11:12.659,1:11:16.090
louis who go to depict the conservative
falls in in the sense of making
1:11:16.090,1:11:18.030
innovation difficult
1:11:18.030,1:11:19.519
and under really making it big
1:11:19.519,1:11:22.909
very very difficult for management to
manage
1:11:22.909,1:11:26.370
for investment to go into areas that
were profitable
1:11:26.370,1:11:30.309
into britain ready to respond to changes
elsewhere in the world economy
1:11:30.309,1:11:33.650
problem concerning the labor party an
innocent spot
1:11:33.650,1:11:34.380
i
1:11:34.380,1:11:38.039
i think that people in britain are
consid
1:11:38.039,1:11:42.090
hidden question along the divinity come
out is whether the labor party
1:11:42.090,1:11:43.820
it had to go back into power
1:11:43.820,1:11:46.130
would really intending to restore
1:11:46.130,1:11:48.510
to the british trade union movement
1:11:48.510,1:11:51.570
not only
1:11:51.570,1:11:53.360
privileges that have been
1:11:53.360,1:11:57.969
removed from the trade union movement
uh... by the conservative party
1:11:57.969,1:11:59.829
but also
1:11:59.829,1:12:02.940
praha in terms of and ability to come
1:12:02.940,1:12:05.090
to have a big say
1:12:05.090,1:12:08.760
in the direction which an investment in
industry would convert
1:12:08.760,1:12:11.820
the problem is ready this
1:12:11.820,1:12:13.210
talk about bridesburg
1:12:13.210,1:12:17.670
folk for workers it is really extremely
attractive to complain about the i'm
1:12:17.670,1:12:20.260
paul recalled all british
1:12:20.260,1:12:24.329
company is uh... in investing in in and
capital in britain's is
1:12:24.329,1:12:27.709
uh... again uh... of a striking
1:12:27.709,1:12:30.149
the difficult duty is
1:12:30.149,1:12:34.969
the british trade union movement thurs
1:12:34.969,1:12:37.260
difficult uh...
1:12:37.260,1:12:39.519
at any moment spree
1:12:39.519,1:12:41.170
has reviewed
1:12:41.170,1:12:44.059
enid string unhelpful falls
1:12:44.059,1:12:47.409
in terms of britain's responses to
change it
1:12:47.409,1:12:50.849
but that the labor party because of its
extremely close ties
1:12:50.849,1:12:53.260
through the treaty and in fact
historically
1:12:53.260,1:12:56.920
having been to bring you the preacher of
the treaty movement couldn't get them if
1:12:56.920,1:13:01.070
if reelected but i think army
considerable concessions to work this is
1:13:01.070,1:13:02.729
an
1:13:02.729,1:13:05.519
and i think that in this manner
1:13:05.519,1:13:07.190
i guess most people would see
1:13:07.190,1:13:11.630
as really an enormously important
contribution of the protein mate
1:13:11.630,1:13:13.590
that would be to be dis
1:13:13.590,1:13:17.820
it's got to bail colorado iraq
1:13:17.820,1:13:24.820
are
1:13:33.499,1:13:36.659
under just finished saying that i
thought they tried to run
1:13:36.659,1:13:38.270
uh... when on political
1:13:38.270,1:13:39.370
presidential time
1:13:39.370,1:13:41.639
campaign
1:13:41.639,1:13:45.630
so i got your point that extend or
implied point to a question
1:13:45.630,1:13:46.630
uh...
1:13:46.630,1:13:48.859
it's not the allegation most commonly
made
1:13:48.859,1:13:52.880
the uh... i guess misconduct against
that too much income but
1:13:52.880,1:13:55.619
with poses the to specifically i dont
1:13:55.619,1:13:57.530
uh...
1:13:57.530,1:13:58.940
and off for to be
1:13:58.940,1:14:02.070
uh... policies that
1:14:02.070,1:14:04.100
this is the trade unions
1:14:04.100,1:14:09.489
condemned by history i an antiquarian
attachment
1:14:09.489,1:14:12.669
when the case of defense
1:14:12.669,1:14:13.800
arousing
1:14:13.800,1:14:14.730
concern
1:14:14.730,1:14:16.110
granison but
1:14:16.110,1:14:20.649
without nuclear weapons britain would be
dependable
1:14:20.649,1:14:21.929
these are the
1:14:21.929,1:14:25.369
these are the policies and these are the
reasons why never tried to run the
1:14:25.369,1:14:27.130
numbers will come back
1:14:27.130,1:14:30.800
though they were justified in saying
that they didn't have
1:14:30.800,1:14:33.670
like to briefly just switch to british
television
1:14:33.670,1:14:37.869
there are no paid political
advertisements lower
1:14:37.869,1:14:39.120
uh...
1:14:39.120,1:14:41.979
in all it for you to make a
1:14:41.979,1:14:44.219
have to be minimum
1:14:44.219,1:14:45.310
three-and-a-half weeks
1:14:45.310,1:14:47.360
so what is coverage like
1:14:47.360,1:14:51.030
where the saturation but it's though its
over to watson and by the bc you know
1:14:51.030,1:14:53.210
the balance rule if you interview
1:14:53.210,1:14:55.699
onboard b_b_c_ news bulletin
1:14:55.699,1:14:59.049
the government party you've got to have
equal time for it but it's been
1:14:59.049,1:15:00.020
complicated by the
1:15:00.020,1:15:03.269
presence of project contains two parties
but
1:15:03.269,1:15:04.929
in some proportion to support
1:15:04.929,1:15:06.239
in that case
1:15:06.239,1:15:10.429
they get equal time to you can't buy
t_v_ time policy
1:15:10.429,1:15:14.440
your reaction address each candidate's
and manifesto
1:15:14.440,1:15:16.879
is a his or her inconsistencies giving
out free
1:15:16.879,1:15:20.590
twice once when the company begins wants
them
1:15:20.590,1:15:23.469
so there's no money to be spent
1:15:23.469,1:15:24.769
enlightenment that way
1:15:24.769,1:15:29.120
all these no reforms for the students to
achieve vince
1:15:29.120,1:15:32.610
it's anastasi great emphasis to on polls
1:15:32.610,1:15:34.409
they clear
1:15:34.409,1:15:37.059
is there any way to get away from that
and that's complain you heard united
1:15:37.059,1:15:38.639
states now
1:15:38.639,1:15:41.209
reporters don't want to talk about
issues
1:15:41.209,1:15:44.639
wanna talk about holes in them that
question keeps coming up in these
1:15:44.639,1:15:48.239
characters how do you get away from that
well one way in which you might start to
1:15:48.239,1:15:51.779
get away from it is by reflecting on the
accuracy
1:15:51.779,1:15:53.510
e boldness basin and with
1:15:53.510,1:15:57.619
uh... in a situation where the
conservative party is picked up maturity
1:15:57.619,1:15:58.239
old
1:15:58.239,1:15:59.679
uh... over a hundred
1:15:59.679,1:16:02.829
uh... when no one expected that
especially those people who got being
1:16:02.829,1:16:07.719
guided by the polls also got the gradual
emergence in in britain of a great deal
1:16:07.719,1:16:10.720
of action symptoms all responsiveness to
say
1:16:10.720,1:16:14.500
evening from an overall knowledge of
what the uh...
1:16:14.500,1:16:17.920
percentage of the votes wasn't because
of the picked up their party picked up
1:16:17.920,1:16:18.690
and so on
1:16:18.690,1:16:21.719
uh... it's extremely difficult to to
make predictions what this
1:16:21.719,1:16:23.949
that means is that that sperm
1:16:23.949,1:16:25.079
on gets polls
1:16:25.079,1:16:30.650
um... going for much more particular
preferences in under specially
1:16:30.650,1:16:34.780
preparing for what may be important
factors in particular model seats i'm
1:16:34.780,1:16:37.479
not sure though that that would have to
say that i mean that would be what great
1:16:37.479,1:16:41.300
care uncertainty is what great kept by
the people running the campaign's for
1:16:41.300,1:16:45.050
the political punches uh... it wouldn't
i think the court is news workday
1:16:45.050,1:16:48.449
uh... in terms of the of media so
1:16:48.449,1:16:52.179
if unless the polls and we can get their
act together
1:16:52.179,1:16:55.139
omega i guess in the indigent a certain
uh...
1:16:55.139,1:16:57.230
the emphasis on an important
1:16:57.230,1:16:59.179
the baltimore maryland you're on
1:16:59.179,1:17:06.179
uh... whispers
1:17:09.550,1:17:13.420
carry
1:17:13.420,1:17:18.550
support
1:17:18.550,1:17:25.550
question
1:17:25.879,1:17:27.709
would like to say
1:17:27.709,1:17:29.260
the chances
1:17:29.260,1:17:33.650
charges of such a person been greatly
reduced
1:17:33.650,1:17:36.339
batch of because it's been in that sort
of thing
1:17:36.339,1:17:39.010
well you'll porn
1:17:39.010,1:17:41.679
to whom
1:17:41.679,1:17:44.179
makes much too much difference too much
1:17:44.179,1:17:46.619
that's been criticism
1:17:46.619,1:17:49.109
i wouldn't say that you made any better
1:17:49.109,1:17:50.989
and it's very noticeable that the
1:17:50.989,1:17:55.699
the three-and-a-half million also people
con blood which is say roughly
1:17:55.699,1:17:58.369
eleven to twelve percent were
1:17:58.369,1:17:59.550
all right of people who
1:17:59.550,1:18:04.469
from aging industries incision in his
will to do about
1:18:04.469,1:18:06.270
the school leaving
1:18:06.270,1:18:09.340
that's a lot of people will never work
again
1:18:09.340,1:18:11.679
or people who've never had a job yet
1:18:11.679,1:18:14.480
and those are the two things that make
it to keep pressing problem it's not a
1:18:14.480,1:18:18.710
seasonal cycle unemployment c it's it's
becoming a pr
1:18:18.710,1:18:20.239
were close on
1:18:20.239,1:18:22.389
and that's
1:18:22.389,1:18:24.469
that war was labor's big
1:18:24.469,1:18:28.400
attempted team in the campaign and
though it didn't work would go away as a
1:18:28.400,1:18:30.719
question
1:18:30.719,1:18:34.719
it certainly telephone people in such a
situation if they are living in london
1:18:34.719,1:18:36.080
in the southeast
1:18:36.080,1:18:37.730
uh... they can probably get employment
1:18:37.730,1:18:42.130
again defaced many more difficult isn't
finding someone who can afford to live
1:18:42.130,1:18:45.790
uh... if they're in more than sitters
particularly those which are had a
1:18:45.790,1:18:49.730
uh... at the traditional of large-scale
manufacturing employment uh... then the
1:18:49.730,1:18:51.829
situation is extremely tough
1:18:51.829,1:18:55.610
the conservative party has put enormous
amount of effort into
1:18:55.610,1:18:58.740
various kinds of youth training schemes
and they are they now have moved to a
1:18:58.740,1:19:03.090
situation where they guaranteeing people
uh... vacation related training for a
1:19:03.090,1:19:05.729
couple of years after after leaving
school
1:19:05.729,1:19:10.969
uh... that phone uh... anyone who
compiled otherwise get implement
1:19:10.969,1:19:14.870
what what is going to save more efforts
to be put into that and
1:19:14.870,1:19:21.039
it's it's a good so much a difficult
situation it just because
1:19:21.039,1:19:23.909
uh... in such people with
1:19:23.909,1:19:27.010
competition certainly in in many that
traditional forms of employment for the
1:19:27.010,1:19:29.679
night of the to uh... with
1:19:29.679,1:19:35.089
uh... developing economist who in many
cases have moved into just those areas
1:19:35.089,1:19:35.939
where
1:19:35.939,1:19:40.389
the previous generation uh... these
young people would have been plant
1:19:40.389,1:19:44.179
or serrano it's more of a voted for
government believes the time fund is a
1:19:44.179,1:19:47.199
good thing because it could be used to
this tribune
1:19:47.199,1:19:49.920
held and where john is and that
therefore
1:19:49.920,1:19:53.199
but the threat of the dole queue will
discipline them in the market
1:19:53.199,1:19:56.469
uh... and that he and uses that as the
main instrument
1:19:56.469,1:19:57.449
the market
1:19:57.449,1:20:00.280
that's not a government saying what we
do about it but that's a government
1:20:00.280,1:20:00.830
saying
1:20:00.830,1:20:04.659
we want to know if i'm going to be able
to do this do you think
1:20:04.659,1:20:06.810
mrs thatcher could
1:20:06.810,1:20:08.380
she would not
1:20:08.380,1:20:11.469
uh... produced for this election
1:20:11.469,1:20:13.690
really radical
1:20:13.690,1:20:15.230
uh... decline in
1:20:15.230,1:20:16.949
uh... unemployment figures
1:20:16.949,1:20:18.800
i will
1:20:18.800,1:20:21.739
category said yes they tried for the
election
1:20:21.739,1:20:23.210
accuser and wants to
1:20:23.210,1:20:26.489
bring the figures dot mainly by creating
book
1:20:26.489,1:20:30.359
but i will say that the original
creation was involvement constantly but
1:20:30.359,1:20:32.129
yes it was a it was a means
1:20:32.129,1:20:36.000
was the means by which they did
something he would just praise
1:20:36.000,1:20:38.830
which would bring the trade unions under
control
1:20:38.830,1:20:41.909
like a one other thing three blacks were
elected to parliament understand this is
1:20:41.909,1:20:42.780
a first
1:20:42.780,1:20:44.269
are just about to say and and
1:20:44.269,1:20:47.960
it's even worse if you're young black
1:20:47.960,1:20:49.500
but raja what's going on
1:20:49.500,1:20:52.329
yeah that's it's not a first
1:20:52.329,1:20:57.099
historically because the were there's a
new level of indians in the uh...
1:20:57.099,1:21:01.230
twenty two billion michael barone sakal
product was what was being first
1:21:01.230,1:21:05.780
indian and the first policy also first
communist
1:21:05.780,1:21:06.840
um...
1:21:06.840,1:21:09.590
other than that this is a for distorted
1:21:09.590,1:21:11.469
i think we went on
1:21:11.469,1:21:12.480
yes that's right
1:21:12.480,1:21:16.480
uh... the taurus taurus can claim to
have the first jewish prams first back
1:21:16.480,1:21:17.880
to the prime minister
1:21:17.880,1:21:19.909
and the first female
1:21:19.909,1:21:24.169
survey report isn't that bad but it'll
go hard for them to cavity
1:21:24.169,1:21:27.219
any serious back on that day
1:21:27.219,1:21:30.010
made too many appeals to racial
prejudice
1:21:30.010,1:21:33.199
uh... in uh... subliminally or directly
1:21:33.199,1:21:36.909
to attract used if i can come in on that
i'm
1:21:36.909,1:21:41.269
wouldn't be at port surprised to see you
1:21:41.269,1:21:43.439
uh... tory m_p_s
1:21:43.439,1:21:45.099
evasive their number
1:21:45.099,1:21:46.969
of people who can distances
1:21:46.969,1:21:50.190
but i think my neighborhood my own
disgrace that took a party with the
1:21:50.190,1:21:52.960
ability to elect visa soviet park
1:21:52.960,1:21:54.979
hasn't done that already have paid
1:21:54.979,1:21:56.909
the fact is they have not enough
1:21:56.909,1:22:00.949
black and brown p will virtually because
they know very well so to u
1:22:00.949,1:22:02.629
began in the slippers to
1:22:02.629,1:22:04.790
the settlement background people
1:22:04.790,1:22:07.719
we're almost out of time alike take at
least one more call center i fail
1:22:07.719,1:22:09.280
california you're on
1:22:09.280,1:22:11.100
alvo
1:22:11.100,1:22:13.869
crap
1:22:13.869,1:22:17.110
evolutionary other surgery performed
1:22:17.110,1:22:19.790
proprietor diversion
1:22:19.790,1:22:21.330
dictators
1:22:21.330,1:22:22.499
election
1:22:22.499,1:22:24.999
viet que no longer bath
1:22:24.999,1:22:27.670
uh... that
1:22:27.670,1:22:33.319
uh... except that we need privately
devolution workbook
1:22:33.319,1:22:38.609
certain questions uh... cerebral palsy
1:22:38.609,1:22:42.079
uh... thank prepare a various serious
1:22:42.079,1:22:45.619
disintegration al capone to everybody
1:22:45.619,1:22:49.189
a lot of uh... going through the f_b_i_
liberalize
1:22:49.189,1:22:50.369
from a stream
1:22:50.369,1:22:55.249
libertarian proposal para
1:22:55.249,1:22:58.010
if i can come in on the spoke with uh...
1:22:58.010,1:22:59.899
the united kingdom longer united
1:22:59.899,1:23:03.529
certainly the poorest of dawn
particularly badly in scotland although
1:23:03.529,1:23:08.479
that's in some ways to be explained by
the very particular quality of the
1:23:08.479,1:23:13.609
conservative party in scotland where to
put it bluntly they tended to put up to
1:23:13.609,1:23:19.159
the the younger did result of second
song of a local lads all i mentioned
1:23:19.159,1:23:23.949
banker from from london uh... turned wet
particularly i suppose the the
1:23:23.949,1:23:28.919
middle-class despite the aggressive
um... spinal all took such a government
1:23:28.919,1:23:31.779
of those people who've been attracted to
it was just drop the spots up the wrong
1:23:31.779,1:23:36.689
way in my view things certainly i mean
things about a seat on very badly uh...
1:23:36.689,1:23:39.639
i would've thought though that's more a
matter of rethinking bleak for the
1:23:39.639,1:23:44.699
conservative party in scotland and than
than something which is is uh... i
1:23:44.699,1:23:45.849
compete right off
1:23:45.849,1:23:47.469
uh... delusions
1:23:47.469,1:23:49.300
it's difficult i mean
1:23:49.300,1:23:52.150
sprawl a supporter of the conservative
party in some ways it's extremely
1:23:52.150,1:23:56.239
tempting on the grounds that if it was
the pollution in scotland uh... whales
1:23:56.239,1:24:00.309
then of britain that they would how the
d_n_a_ went in having further elections
1:24:00.309,1:24:03.239
and and and england on the grounds of
the dea professional conservative
1:24:03.239,1:24:05.110
majority
1:24:05.110,1:24:08.090
interns all the dissolution the
parliamentary labour party i would've
1:24:08.090,1:24:09.539
thought not uh...
1:24:09.539,1:24:12.999
uh... i would have full phillips of
things elected to stay pretty much as
1:24:12.999,1:24:13.959
they are
1:24:13.959,1:24:19.429
uh... maybe swipe leave overtime
increases in the influence of some of
1:24:19.429,1:24:23.219
the more radical elements in the party
but when it comes to an election bilby
1:24:23.219,1:24:24.710
increasingly
1:24:24.710,1:24:28.900
produce either kinect co or assault of
side the small about version connected a
1:24:28.900,1:24:33.060
bit more harrington positively younger
insult of bouncing over the tips is a
1:24:33.060,1:24:34.749
permanent not over the clips but
1:24:34.749,1:24:40.020
danzig across the kids all brothers just
a walking
1:24:40.020,1:24:43.429
it's true that tories are as whereas
uh... rocking horse
1:24:43.429,1:24:45.099
droppings and
1:24:45.099,1:24:47.550
scotland wales but that's always been
true
1:24:47.550,1:24:49.560
uh... and delusion
1:24:49.560,1:24:52.979
yukon dr delusion i think
1:24:52.979,1:24:55.179
scotland wales uh...
1:24:55.179,1:24:57.209
uh... could be states as well as name
1:24:57.209,1:25:04.030
we've been package
1:25:04.030,1:25:06.919
province civic and
1:25:06.919,1:25:08.949
and unmentioned was uh...
1:25:08.949,1:25:11.960
when i'm not quite certain what results
were where
1:25:11.960,1:25:13.500
where there is now
1:25:13.500,1:25:16.580
uh... an extraordinary disaffection
1:25:16.580,1:25:18.650
by the conservative uh...
1:25:18.650,1:25:19.750
in this case the orange
1:25:19.750,1:25:21.460
hosting
1:25:21.460,1:25:24.179
uh... protestants and and i think that
1:25:24.179,1:25:28.010
disaffection from sort of course is now
pretty much
1:25:28.010,1:25:30.150
the conservative are you want to walk
1:25:30.150,1:25:33.860
conservative only in a very particular
sends i mean that they're conservative
1:25:33.860,1:25:35.940
in the sense of keeping up there in
traditions
1:25:35.940,1:25:39.230
they conservative in the sense that
there was another alliance with the
1:25:39.230,1:25:42.389
conservatives but i i i think sure you'd
agree that the
1:25:42.389,1:25:46.209
uh... but both of the traditions in
northern ireland all in a way onto the
1:25:46.209,1:25:49.899
floor into anything to be found and in
mainland england although there are
1:25:49.899,1:25:53.899
certain echoes object in the politics of
the west of scotland islanders and other
1:25:53.899,1:25:58.679
countries recognition yet to come also
the interns of scotland it does seem to
1:25:58.679,1:26:02.000
me that one mustn't but scotland pa with
whales because
1:26:02.000,1:26:03.419
but that's
1:26:03.419,1:26:07.289
different scottish legal traditions the
different are very different and
1:26:07.289,1:26:11.409
distinctive culture in scotland uh... is
something which i think it would
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certainly be possible to think of is
having a much greater degree of autonomy
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if if of independence was informative
whales uh... a large sections of of
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whales are competing size
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uh... and the post nationalist
themselves of
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mostly operating in uh... robot courses
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jeremy share our out of time
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by very quickly
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christopher hitchens thank you very much
for being here like in a special thanks
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to the b_b_c_ george mason university
out here in fairfax virginia in capitol
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connection for providing us with
election night coverage

The Film Archive

Christopher Hitchens on Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, and Economics (1987)

The Secret

The Devil's Laughter

The Vision

The Dead Part of the House

Emergency Only

The Dark Room

The Bride Possessed

Richard Nixon in the Middle East - Jordan, Egypt - 1970s Footage (1974)

Decoy: Police Woman - First Arrest - Season 1, Episode 38 (1958)

Decoy: Police Woman - The Come Back - Season 1, Episode 37 (1958)

Decoy: Police Woman - Blind Date - Season 1, Episode 36 - Beverly Garland (1958)

Decoy: Police Woman - Tin Pan Payoff - Season 1, Episode 35 - Beverly Garland (1958)

Decoy: Police Woman - Shadow of Van Gogh - Season 1, Episode 34 - Beverly Garland (1958)

Decoy: Police Woman - Night Light - Season 1, Episode 31 - Beverly Garland (1958)

Decoy: Police Woman - The Gentle Gunman - Season 1, Episode 30 - Beverly Garland (1958)

Decoy: Police Woman - Cry Revenge - Season 1, Episode 29 - Beverly Garland (1958)

Decoy: Police Woman - Ladies' Man - Season 1, Episode 28 - Beverly Garland (1958)

Decoy: Police Woman - The Sound of Tears - Season 1, Episode 27 - Suzanne Pleshette (1958)

Decoy: Police Woman - Earthbound Satellite - Season 1, Episode 26 - Beverly Garland (1958)

Decoy: Police Woman - High Swing - Season 1, Episode 25 - Beverly Garland (1958)

Decoy: Police Woman - Saturday Was Lost - Season 1, Episode 24 - Beverly Garland (1958)

Decoy: Police Woman - Night of Fire - Season 1, Episode 23 - Beverly Garland (1958)

Decoy: Police Woman - Across the World - Season 1, Episode 20 (1959)

Decoy: Police Woman - The Challenger - Season 1, Episode 19 (1959)