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<p><span style="font-family: Arial Rounded MT Bold;">Caleb's chats are the ideal tool for those who wish to acquire a solid understanding of contemporary history in an easy, accessible manner. In this episode Caleb tackles one of the oldest lies about socialism/communism—their supposed inability to literally deliver the goods. Caleb notes that it was socialism that industrialized the Soviet Union, wiped out illiteracy, provided running water to every household, brought electricity to city and country, and built an economy resilient enough to defeat and outproduce the Nazis. That it was communism that invented the first LED lights, and the first mobile phone, launched the first spacecraft into orbit, and made women the equal of men, from medicine to the arts and sciences. And it was socialism that took China, the "sick man of Asia," and made it what it is today, the second (although many would say the first) largest economy in the world. It was China's socialism that raised 800 million out of poverty, a deed unparalleled in history.  It was socialism that built the world's greatest hydroelectric plant on earth. Indeed socialism has accomplished much, its achievements are numerous and astonishing, but you would never know it, listening to the corporate system's constant lies and denigrations.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: helmet;">This article is part of an ongoing series of dispatches by historian Eric Zuesse</span><a href="https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Ericzuesse2.jpg?x25221" data-rel="penci-gallery-image-content" ><img class="aligncenter wp-image-208055 " src="https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Ericzuesse2.jpg?x25221" alt="" width="352" height="88" srcset="https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Ericzuesse2.jpg 600w, https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Ericzuesse2-350x88.jpg 350w, https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Ericzuesse2-520x130.jpg 520w" sizes="(max-width: 352px) 100vw, 352px" /></a></p>
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<div class=""><strong><span class="" style="font-family: dubai; font-size: 10pt;">Crossposted with <a class="" href="https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/08/08/evilness-america-ruling-class/">Strategic Culture</a></span></strong></div>
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<div id="attachment_304579" style="width: 750px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/bernie-madoff-final-740x416-1.jpg?x25221" data-rel="penci-gallery-image-content" ><img aria-describedby="caption-attachment-304579" class="wp-image-304579 size-full" src="https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/bernie-madoff-final-740x416-1.jpg?x25221" alt="" width="740" height="416" srcset="https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/bernie-madoff-final-740x416-1.jpg 740w, https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/bernie-madoff-final-740x416-1-585x329.jpg 585w" sizes="(max-width: 740px) 100vw, 740px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-304579" class="wp-caption-text">Bernie Madoff proved the unwritten rule that, among the rich, only those who defraud other billionaires go to jail.</p></div>
<span class=""><span class="su-dropcap su-dropcap-style-light" style="font-size:1.5em"><span style="font-family: riffic;">T</span></span>he <a class="" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig">landmark Gilens &amp; Page study in 2014</a>, which was the first study anywhere to examine the data to determine scientifically whether or not a given Government is a democracy or instead a dictatorship, studied the U.S. data, and found conclusively that it’s a dictatorship. The U.S. is controlled by its six or seven hundred billionaires (the study identified America’s ruling class as only <a class="" href="https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf">“economic elites and organized groups representing business interests”</a>, but the people who own the controlling interest in over 90% of that and hire their lobbyists and <a class="" href="http://archive.is/7jGRY">fund the careers of the winning politicians</a> are simply America's billionaires, the U.S. oligarchy or “aristocracy”). After that landmark 2014 study, other reports came forth, all adding <a class="" href="http://archive.li/Kuuux">further confirmation to its findings</a>.</span></div>
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<div class="">What is the <i class="">result</i> of <em>billionaires-rule?</em></div>
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<div class="">America has <a class="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate"><span class="">a higher percentage of its people in prison than any other nation on Earth</span></a>, and none of America’s prisoners are billionaires nor spouse or child of any, except for the very few organized criminals who were <a class="" href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/nataliesachmechi/2020/01/25/behind-bars-billionaires-and-ex-billionaires-who-have-served-time"><span class="">cheating and stealing from other billionaires</span></a> (and, since billionaires rule America, that’s the <i class="">only</i> type of crime a billionaire can be successfully prosecuted for perpetrating in America — crimes against <i class="">other billionaires</i>). The people who control the people who write and enforce the laws don’t need to worry about prison. Almost all of America’s prisoners are, in fact, poor people, not even middle-class — and virtually none are upper-class. They’re born poor, live poor, and die poor.</div>
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<div class=""><span class="">Donald Trump, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and George W. Bush, have all had their careers <a class="" href="http://archive.is/eZh9N">funded by America’s billionaires</a>, and that’s why these politicians received their respective Party’s nominations. Without the billionaires’ support, they’d be nothing, just losing politicians. You get the nomination by representing your Party’s billionaires, <i class="">not</i> by representing its voters. Behind the scenes, even <a class="" href="https://theduran.com/joe-biden-as-a-stealthy-bigot/">America’s racial caste system is enforced on behalf of</a> both Parties’ billionaires, because supremacism is what they all share, regardless of their rhetoric to the contrary, and there is a groupist element to this supremacism. (Every aristocracy is like that — very <a class="" href="https://theduran.com/how-the-cold-war-which-never-actually-stopped-actually-started/">groupist</a>.)</span></div>
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<div class="">And this fact shows itself most starkly in international relations, America’s imperialism, from which the whole world suffers.</div>
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<div class="">That’s why the U.S. Government is profoundly evil: destroying Iraq in 2003-, destroying Libya in 2011-, destroying Syria in 2012-, etc., and trying so hard to destroy Venezuela, Iran, Russia, China, and any other country it hasn’t yet destroyed and is still trying to conquer via sanctions, coups, or invasions.</div>
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<div class="">It’s not the American people who are evil;<span style="font-family: alller-bold;"> it is all of America’s billionaires — not a <i class="">one</i> of whom funds any <b class=""><i class="">anti</i>-</b>imperialist candidate.</span> They ALL want conquest, because they <i class="">all</i> are supremacists.</div>
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<div class="">Here’s just one example: Elon Musk.</div>
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<div class="">A 29 November 2019 article <a class="" href="http://archive.is/8uYt5"><span class="">“Bolivia: Post-Coup Update”</span></a> presented the 10 November 2019 coup there as having been internally based upon targeting that country’s native indian 70% as being inferior to the country’s 30% white European-derived aristocracy and upper-middle class, so that this was a targeting <i class="">by</i> the richest, a bigotry which serves the interests of the wealthiest. And, as usual, <a class="" href="https://www.sott.net/article/423663-America-is-a-dictatorship-by-the-rich-so-why-does-no-other-writer-refer-to-is-as-the-US-regime"><span class="">the U.S. regime</span></a> was backing that bigotry. Furthermore, on 24 July 2020, Tesla corporation’s founder, Elon Musk, <a class="" href="https://archive.fo/mIIRM"><span class="">tweeted</span></a> back in response to a tweet from an “Armani” which criticized “the U.S. government organizing a coup against Evo Morales in Bolivia so you could obtain the lithium there.” Musk replied <b class="">“We will coup whoever we want! Deal with it.”</b> After some negative public reactions to that, he added, “Also, we get our lithium from Australia.” Then, on July 25th, “Carlos Reymon G” replied “Dude you get Lithium from Ganfeng which gets their Lithium from Bolivia; a quick google search will tell you that.” Immediately prior to those exchanges, Musk had tried to signal his virtuousness by <a class="" href="http://archive.is/wQqNr"><span class="">tweeting</span></a>, on the morning of July 24th, “As a reminder, I’m in *favor* of universal basic income.” So, though he thinks it’s fine to rob the poor in Bolivia, he doesn’t want to treat his own nation’s poor so psychopathically. His bigotry against the masses in Bolivia doesn’t extend to the masses in his own country, he was saying. At <a class="" href="http://archive.is/3Qm20"><span class="">Reddit</span></a>, many of the commenters were in denial, and just assumed that Musk had been joking — “In order to understand the joke you have to understand the coup thing ( and his involvement ) is a conspiracy theory in socialist circles without any basis in reality.” — or etc. Many ordinary people simply refuse to believe how evil and deceitful, and outright bigoted (basically supremacist), people have to be in order to become and remain a billionaire. The idea that wealth reflects virtue — maybe even God’s blessing — is heavily promoted, by billionaires. For them, it’s a self-‘justifying’ belief. The myth of the kindly ‘philanthropic’ billionaire (supposedly not motivated by the tax-writeoffs and buildings that will be named in their honor for the ‘donation’) is thus intrinsic to the culture in America and many other countries — countries that are largely controlled by the U.S. regime (its billionaires). </div>
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<div class="">Musk himself was born in 1971 and lived his entire formative years in apartheid South Africa, leaving for Canada in 1988, so that he lived all of his first 17 years under the racist apartheid White dictatorship. He was raised in an exceptionally wealthy family, and went to Canada for college, specifically so that he would be able more easily to be received into America’s Wharton School as a Canadian. He and his entire family were obsessed with money and sex, surrounded by intense racism and with being on the <a class="" href="http://archive.is/hQHEX"><span class="">“gifted” (i.e., lucky) end of that supremacism</span></a>, and they were satisfied to live as extremely wealthy and successful Whites under an apartheid White-supremacist Government, never condemning it, either before or after the end of apartheid in the 1990s. So, it’s perhaps natural for Musk today to view the 70% native-indian population of Bolivia as being just fine to exploit and crush — even to rob them — much like Blacks had been robbed by the racist bigoted system, when and where he was growing up. </div>
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<div class=""><a href="https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/elonMusk-heres-why-elon-musk-wants-to-colonize-mars.jpg?x25221" data-rel="penci-gallery-image-content" ><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-153082" src="https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/elonMusk-heres-why-elon-musk-wants-to-colonize-mars-350x175.jpg?x25221" alt="" width="350" height="175" srcset="https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/elonMusk-heres-why-elon-musk-wants-to-colonize-mars-350x175.jpg 350w, https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/elonMusk-heres-why-elon-musk-wants-to-colonize-mars-600x300.jpg 600w, https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/elonMusk-heres-why-elon-musk-wants-to-colonize-mars-520x260.jpg 520w, https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/elonMusk-heres-why-elon-musk-wants-to-colonize-mars.jpg 640w" sizes="(max-width: 350px) 100vw, 350px" /></a>To view people like Musk (left) as models to emulate, is common, but evil — systemically evil, because it sets an abhorrent standard, as being something that should instead be perpetuated and copied. There is no way in which the social sciences should shun moral evaluations, but they need to be empirically justifiable, which is not the way nature itself functions — nature is unplanned (nothing that is justifiable or unjustifiable). This type of planning can be done only by deviating from the natural dominance of psychopathy (“It’s I versus everybody else”) in social matters. To deny the unnaturalness of good, and to set the natural psychopathy as being instead something to emulate, is the opposite of science. It is not only to lie; it is to avoid the application of science to the planning of society. It is to <i class="">negate</i> any social science, and to advocate instead for the “state of nature,” which is “red in tooth and claw,” and to apply that standard to human society. It is to take what is the systemic norm (chaos), as being instead what should be the systemic norm; it is to reject any social science, at all. Victory to the psychopaths is bad, not good. That actual societal chaos is what billionaires push for, even when their rhetoric is the exact opposite. Their rhetoric is the opposite because, in order to win, they need to deceive the public; they need to do this in order to conquer the public, as any supremacist wants to do. Deceit is their primary weapon.</div>
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<div class="">On 8 June 2020, Glenn Greenwald headlined at The Intercept <a class="" href="http://archive.is/EPIeI"><span class="">“The New York Times Admits Key Falsehoods That Drove Last Year’s Coup in Bolivia: Falsehoods Peddled by the U.S., Its Media, and the Times”</span></a>, and he documented that the U.S. regime and its Latin American vassal nations had <i class="">engineered the coup</i> that took place during October and November of 2019 in Bolivia. This was little more than two years after Bolivia’s President Morales, <a class="" href="https://www.dw.com/en/bolivias-evo-morales-plans-lithium-mining-offensive/a-39727810"><span class="">on 17 July 2017, had publicly announced a plan</span></a>, with funding from his Government, to develop Bolivia’s lithium — the world’s largest reserves of the mineral — so that the Bolivian people, instead of foreign investors, would reap the rewards from that lithium.</div>
<p class=""> On 20 July 2020, <i class="">Forbes</i> headlined <a class="" href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/07/20/elon-musk-now-among-the-five-richest-in-the-world"><span class="">“Elon Musk Is Now The Fifth Richest Person In The World”</span></a> and reported that “As of Monday afternoon, Musk’s net worth surpassed $74 billion, meaning he is now the fifth-richest person on the planet.” Bolivia’s entire Gross National Product during 2019 was <a class="" href="https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/BOL/bolivia/gnp-gross-national-product"><span class="">$40.58 billion</span></a>. That’s for 11.4 million people — $3,559 per person. How much of an opportunity will each of those 11.4 million people have to ‘earn’ $74 billion (assuming they’d be psychopathic enough, and gifted enough, to ‘earn’ it)?</p>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family: chivo-bold;">For a person to become a billionaire, or stay one, psychopathy is the first requirement</span>. It’s that way everywhere, unless the Government is very strict in <i class="">prohibiting that</i>. A libertarian (otherwise called “neo-liberal”) government offers maximum freedom for the richest, but grinding servitude for everyone at the bottom, where there are typically found many decent, and even many heroic, individuals. It’s an upside-down world, but that’s naturally the way things are. What’s natural isn’t necessarily good. Billionaires want the public to believe otherwise, but they know themselves to be lying when they say that what’s good is natural. A good society never happens naturally, and they know this, but they don’t want the public to know it, and they make sure that the majority of the public won’t know it.</div>
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<div class="">While a pauper who kills one person will likely go to prison for decades, a billionaire who crushes millions and kills tens or hundreds of thousands will have no accountability, at all. And most, even of Bolivia’s 70% native-indian population, won’t know who robbed and crushed them, and how it was done to them. They will know only the result — nothing else. The result is something that they’ll know, only <i class="">too</i> well.</div>
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<div class="">A progressive wants equal opportunity for all, and equal liability to all. The state of nature is exactly the opposite: it is libertarian (total opportunity, and no liability) for the richest, but stifling serfdom for everybody else. Libertarians call the state of nature simply “libertarianism,” but it’s actually the most liberty for the fewest. And today’s America exemplifies that, in an extreme way. The suffering, from it, extends globally.</div>
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<div class="">And the source of this suffering is hidden by billionaires, globally, which is the reason why the regime that perpetrated Iraq 2003-, Libya 2011-, Syria 2012-, Venezuela, Iran, Russia, China, etc., and that is also profoundly bigoted against Blacks and some other groups domestically, is still accepted in some countries, and not yet sanctioned worldwide, and why its brands are not even being boycotted, anywhere.</div>
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<div class="">This isn’t to say that America’s billionaires are abnormal, but only that they are the most powerful, because they are the billionaires who control the imperial regime. America’s allies such as <a class="" href="https://theduran.com/which-is-the-most-totalitarian-country/"><span class="">UK and Holland are just as corrupt</span></a> (and new reports of their corruption <a class="" href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/08/stinking-tory-corruption/"><span class="">keep coming in</span></a> all the time), but they would not be the threats that they are if they weren’t vassals of the imperial regime. The problem isn’t only their evilness; it’s the power that they hold. That’s why the focus right now needs to be on the U.S. regime, and on the billionaires who control it. That’s where the main threat to the world is, at the center. Voters in the corrupt countries accept it, they continue to vote for it; they don’t revolt against it; so, if the counterforce won’t come from the outside, then it won’t come at all. And, if counterforce won’t come at all, then what hope is there, really? Individuals in foreign countries can vote against it, and boycott it. That’s all. </div>
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<span style="font-family: helmet; font-size: 10pt;">ORIGINALLY POSTED ON <em>July 26, 2020</em></span></span></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: aliseo; font-size: 10pt;"><span class="post-meta"><strong><a title="Posts by Wrong Kind of Green" href="http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/author/wkog-admin/" rel="author">Wrong Kind of Green</a></strong> <strong>Aug 09, 2020</strong> <strong><a href="http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/category/non-profit-industrial-complex-organizations/organizations/humanitarian-agencies/" rel="category tag">Humanitarian Agencies</a>, <a href="http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/category/non-profit-industrial-complex-organizations/organizations/imperialist-warsoccupations/" rel="category tag">Imperialist Wars/Occupations</a>, <a href="http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/category/social-engineering/whiteness-aversive-racism/" rel="category tag">Whiteness &amp; Aversive Racism</a></strong></span></span></p>
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<p><a href="http://www.tortillaconsal.com/"><em>Tortilla con Sal</em></a></p>
<p><em><strong><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-304571" src="https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/HR-western_human_rights.png?x25221" alt="" width="360" height="292" /></strong></em><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: corbert;">Current Western human rights industry practice has nothing to do with establishing the truth. Increasingly in recent years, US and allied elites have sought to legitimize illegal aggression by exploiting human rights motifs in their attempts to recolonize the majority world.</span></p>
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<span class="su-dropcap su-dropcap-style-light" style="font-size:1.5em"><span style="font-family: riffic;">I</span></span>n any given crisis, human rights NGOs funded by the US and allied corporate elites and governments deploy sensationalist false claims, for example of police murdering peaceful protestors, so as to create a cognitive limbo of doubt and suspicion aimed at disabling opposition to the West’s recolonization campaigns. Over the medium and long term, the steady drip of false accusations against countries resisting recolonization, like Syria and Iran, or Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua, creates false memories, corrupting and distorting the historical record and obscuring the West’s crimes against those and so many other countries in the majority world.</p>
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<p>Western ruling elites have corrupted human rights organizations and institutions at practically every level using corporate grant making and government funding. The practical results of this corruption mirror corporate techniques of control fraud and strategic avoidance of regulation. Economics writers like <a href="https://michael-hudson.com/2016/04/laundering-havens-for-war-budgets/">Michael Hudson</a> and  <a href="https://www.slideshare.net/alexklemm/william-k-black-on-control-fraud-2013">William Black</a>, among others, have explained how corrupt US and allied corporations have exploited these fraudulent abuses for decades.  Control fraud is essentially no different from ancient practices like debasing coins, adulterating food products or selling defective goods as fit for use. They all fool people into accepting something that causes them loss, hurt and damage.</p>
<p>In the United States, powerful corporations control US political and institutional life sufficiently to be able to co-opt justice and escape criminal prosecution. This reality crowds out honest, socially responsible business and financial practice. Parallel to control fraud by major financial institutions, other multinational corporations, for example oil, mining or information technology corporations,  operate what various writers call a “veil of tiers” strategy misrepresenting their earnings so as to avoid tax or other regulation, and legal prosecution. More legitimately, <a href="http://www.borisfeldman.com/Veil_of_Tiers.htm">in the field of insurance</a>, the “veil of tiers” strategy spreads risks associated with potential litigation. The international human rights industry uses similar techniques to justify and cover up Western attacks against the peoples of the majority world.</p>
<p>The dependence of international human rights NGOs on corporate and government funding and on publicity via corporate media and public relations over time has generated the osmosis of corrupt corporate practice into the human rights industry. Writers like <a href="http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2018/08/08/purpose-goes-to-latin-america/">Cory Morningstar</a> have analyzed exhaustively how this takeover by corporate culture of the “non-profit industrial complex serves hegemony as a sophisticated fine-tuned symbiotic mechanism in a continuous state of flux and refinement. The ruling elite channel an immeasurable amount of resources and tools through these organizations to further strengthen, protect and expand existing forms of power structures and global domination.”</p>
<p>In a human rights context, control fraud takes the form of politically motivated, false, sensationalist accusations based on egregiously one-sided, often fact-free research, sometimes using fake pseudo-scientific reconstructions. Accountability for these false accusations is rendered negligible by means of a “veil of tiers” strategy starting at a low level with small, local or national human rights NGOS, progressing via larger international human rights NGOs and auxiliary private contractors to regional human rights institutions, then reaching United Nations organizations and ultimately the highest levels of the international human rights legal system. By excluding independent corroboration, the interchange from one level to the next imparts spurious mutual legitimacy of varying degrees between the organizations and institutions involved.</p>
<p>The process is quasi-judicial with zero accountability, such that attempting to counteract false accusations is extremely difficult if not impossible, especially in the short term. If anything, the human rights industry is even less accountable than multinational corporations. Two recent examples, among innumerable others, confirm the creeping monopolization of the human rights industry by corrupt corporate practice. Against both the Ukraine government in February 2014 and against the Nicaraguan government in May 2018, Western human rights NGOs made very similar accusations that their police forces murdered peaceful protestors indiscriminately. In both cases, the accusations were false.</p>
<p>The context of the killings in both cases was a violent attempt at regime change by a US government funded political opposition. In Ukraine’s case, the opposition had been supported for over twenty years with US government funding amounting to over US$5 billion as <a href="https://youtu.be/U2fYcHLouXY?t=447">confirmed in 2013 by Victoria Nuland</a>, then US Assistant Secretary of State. That US government finance was in addition to funding from US corporate oligarchs like <a href="https://pando.com/2014/02/28/pierre-omidyar-co-funded-ukraine-revolution-groups-with-us-government-documents-show/">Pierre Omidyaar</a> and <a href="https://hangthebankers.com/george-soros-admits-to-funding-the-ukraine-crisis/">George Soros</a>. The most notorious event in the regime change campaign in Ukraine took place over February 18th-20th in 2014 when over 70 people were killed in Kiev’s Maidan square during violent confrontations between police and protestors. The massacre led to the overthrow of the legitimate government and its replacement by a fascist US client regime.</p>
<p>After the event, even CNN felt bound <a href="https://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/05/world/europe/ukraine-leaked-audio-recording/index.html">to report a leaked conversation</a> between Estonia’s Foreign Minister Urmas Paet and Catherine Ashton, High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs in which Paet confirmed that a  pro-opposition doctor treating wounded protestors claimed opposition snipers, not government security forces, had shot the protestors. That report was followed by the broadcast from Italy’s Mediaset Matrix television channel of interviews, <a href="https://youtu.be/wR1NFI6TBH0">here</a> and <a href="https://youtu.be/V0rR2Fh1zWI">here</a>, with mercenary snipers confessing they had fired on both protestors and police during the Maidan protests in February 2014. The mercenaries had come forward aggrieved at not getting paid by the opposition aligned figures who hired them. Even so, the Ukraine authorities announced their investigation into the shootings was complete, simply repeating the false accusations against the former Ukrainian government despite categorically clear evidence to the contrary.</p>
<p>A prominent part of the Ukraine prosecutors’ false case was a <a href="https://situ.nyc/research/projects/euromaidan-event-reconstruction">virtual reconstruction of events</a>  by a private New York contractor called <a href="https://situ.nyc/">SITU Research</a> whose human rights work is funded by US oligarch owned grant making bodies, like the MacArthur Foundation, the Oak Foundation and the Open Society Foundation<span class="js-about-item-abstr">s. </span>Ivan Katchanovski of the University of Ottawa has <a href="https://consortiumnews.com/2019/04/22/the-buried-maidan-massacre-and-its-misrepresentation-by-the-west/">exposed as phony</a> the SITU Research reconstruction of the Maidan shootings, demonstrating, for example, that in various cases SITU Research’s imaging moved wound locations indicated in the respective forensic autopsy reports in order to suit the video’s conclusions. <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266855828_The_Snipers'_Massacre_on_the_Maidan_in_Ukraine">Katchanovksi’s detailed analysis</a> draws on other evidence omitted by SITU Research which also contradicts their claims, for example <a href="https://youtu.be/97YKYN3JZ9c">witness testimony</a> from 25 wounded opposition supporters that they were shot from opposition controlled buildings.</p>
<p><span class="js-about-item-abstr">Katchanovski points out that numerous video and TV footage shows opposition snipers and shooters in buildings controlled by the opposition. That footage is supported by over 150 witness testimonies confirming snipers were firing from those locations. </span><span class="js-about-item-abstr">Katchanovski</span> also notes that Brad Samuels, founding partner of SITU Research “<span class="js-about-item-abstr"><a href="https://youtu.be/sTsr6eN8TmI?t=56m14s">said in a video</a> [start at 55:16] that ‘…eventually, there is a consensus that there was a third party acting. It is clear from forensic evidence that people were shot in the back. Somebody was shooting from rooftops.’ ” </span><span class="js-about-item-abstr"><a href="https://consortiumnews.com/2019/04/22/the-buried-maidan-massacre-and-its-misrepresentation-by-the-west/">Katchanovski remarks</a> that Samuels’ “striking observation was not included anywhere in the SITU 3D model report that he produced.” </span><span class="js-about-item-abstr">Katchanovski’s critical analysis of SITU Research’s material and of the broader official Ukraine investigation into the Maidan massacre has never been seriously challenged.</span></p>
<p>Similar false accusations ignoring readily available contradictory evidence and also using SITU Research modeling were made against Nicaragua’s government earlier this year. On May 30th the Organization of American States subsidiary body <span class="js-about-item-abstr">the <a href="http://gieinicaragua-cartografia-violencia.org/#/1">Interdisciplinary Group of Independent Experts</a> (GIEI), the <a href="https://eaaf.org/eaaf-en-el-mundo/nicaragua/">Argentinian Forensic Anthropology Team</a> and SITU Research jointly <a href="https://eaaf.org/nicaragua-presentan-nueva-video-reconstruccion-forense-sobre-las-muertes-de-la-marcha-de-las-madres/">published a video</a> allegedly </span>proving that Nicaragua’s police shot and killed unarmed protesters at a demonstration on May 30th 2018. But detailed <a href="https://www.coha.org/revisiting-2018-mothers-march-in-nicaragua-new-report-repeats-old-bias/">analysis of the video</a> shows that in this case too SITU Research have misrepresented data, namely the distance between the police and the protestors which was in fact about 175 metres<span class="js-about-item-abstr">, in order to harmonize the reality of what happened with their virtual reconstruction which claims police snipers fired from a distance of around 250 metres.</span></p>
<p><span class="js-about-item-abstr">The video footage of the protests in Nicaragua contains no scenes where Nicaraguan police use their firearms. Similarly, just as in their false reconstruction of events in Kiev’s Maidan square, SITU Research <a href="https://blackagendareport.com/nicaragua-how-phony-human-rights-groups-slandered-us-targeted-nation">omitted a substantial body</a> of information contradicting their account of the shootings in Managua on May 30th. </span>The context in this case too was of extremely violent protests by organizations<a href="http://www.radiolaprimerisima.com/noticias/general/286068/asi-financia-eeuu-a-los-terroristas/"> funded by the US government with over US$15 million</a> just in 2017-2018. For example, local human rights organizations received over US$3 million from the US government that year as did local media NGOs. Although, two solidarity organizations wrote and published <a href="http://www.tortillaconsal.com/tortilla/node/9667">an open letter</a> to the organizations who produced the video, respectfully questioning their findings, to date the letter has received only a formal acknowledgment without replying to the questions.</p>
<p>In both Ukraine and Nicaragua, the US government funded local opposition aligned NGOs to make false allegations of very serious human rights violations. A private company contractor was funded by US corporate interests to produce false pseudo-scientific material unfairly incriminating the governments for those violations. International human rights NGOs repeated the false accusations on the basis of that same false evidence. Regional human rights institutions accused the governments concerned on the basis of that same material.</p>
<p>The accusations are false but the Nicaraguan government and accused members of the former Ukrainian government are denied a fair defense. This same process has been repeated over and over again against governments resisting US and allied policies. Western human rights organizations share the same corrupt methodology as their corporate and government patrons. They make false claims, suppress inconvenient evidence, do all they can to avoid independent scrutiny and systematically evade accountability. </p>
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					<description><![CDATA[PEPE ESCOBAR—The Beirut explosion at first sight might be seen as a deadly blow against the Belt and Road Initiative, considering that China regards the connectivity between Iran, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon as the cornerstone of the Southwest Asia Belt and Road corridor.

Yet that may backfire – badly. China and Iran are already positioning themselves as the go-to investors post-blast, in sharp contrast with the IMF hit men, and as advised by Hezbollah Secretary-General Nasrallah only a few weeks ago.

Syria and Iran are in the forefront of providing aid to Lebanon. Tehran is sending an emergency hospital, food packages, medicine and medical equipment. Syria opened its borders with Lebanon, dispatched medical teams and is receiving patients from Beirut’s hospitals.]]></description>
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<h2><span style="font-family: aliseo; font-size: 12pt;">Making the case that the explosion resulted from an attack</span></h2>
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<p><span class="contents"><span class="contents"><span class="su-dropcap su-dropcap-style-light" style="font-size:1.5em"><span style="font-family: riffic;">T</span></span>he narrative that the Beirut explosion was an exclusive consequence of negligence and corruption by the current Lebanese government is now set in stone, at least in the Atlanticist sphere.</p>
<p></span></span><span class="contents">And yet, digging deeper, we find that negligence and corruption may have been fully exploited, via sabotage, to engineer it.</span></div>
<div><span class="contents"><span class="contents">Lebanon is prime John Le Carré territory. A multinational den of spies of all shades – House of Saud agents, Zionist operatives, “moderate rebel” weaponizers, Hezbollah intellectuals, debauched Arab “royalty,” self-glorified smugglers – in a context of full spectrum economic disaster afflicting a member of the Axis of Resistance, a perennial target of Israel alongside Syria and Iran.</p>
<p></span></span><span class="contents"><span class="contents">As if this were not volcanic enough, into the tragedy stepped President Trump to muddy the – already contaminated – Eastern Mediterranean waters. <a class="" title="https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/08/04/trump-says-us-generals-feel-beirut-blast-was-likely-an-attack/" href="https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/08/04/trump-says-us-generals-feel-beirut-blast-was-likely-an-attack/">Briefed by “our great generals,”</a> Trump on Tuesday said: “According to them – they would know better than I would – but they seem to think it was an attack.”  </span></span><span class="contents"><span class="contents">Trump added, “it was a bomb of some kind.”</span></span></div>
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<div><span class="contents"><span class="contents">Was this incandescent remark letting the cat out of the bag by revealing classified information? Or was the President launching another non sequitur?</p>
<p></span></span><span class="contents">Trump eventually walked his comments back after the Pentagon declined to confirm his claim about what the “generals” had said and his defense secretary, Mark Esper, supported the accident explanation for the blast.  </span><span class="contents"><span class="contents">It’s yet another graphic illustration of the war engulfing the Beltway. Trump: attack. Pentagon: accident. “I don’t think anybody can say right now,” Trump said on Wednesday. “I’ve heard it both ways.”</p>
<p></span></span><span class="contents"><span class="contents">Still, it’s worth noting a report by Iran’s Mehr News Agency that <a class="" title="https://en.mehrnews.com/news/161888/Possibility-of-US-sabotage-in-Beirut-explosion" href="https://en.mehrnews.com/news/161888/Possibility-of-US-sabotage-in-Beirut-explosion">four US Navy reconnaissance planes </a>were spotted near Beirut at the time of the blasts. Is US intel aware of what really happened all along the spectrum of possibilities?</span></span></div>
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<div><span class="contents" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: provicali;">That ammonium nitrate</span></div>
<div><span class="contents">Security at Beirut’s port – the nation’s prime economic hub – would have to be considered a top priority. But to adapt a line from Roman Polanski’s Chinatown: “Forget it, Jake. It’s Beirut.”  </span><span class="contents"><span class="contents">Those by now iconic 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate arrived in Beirut in September 2013 on board the Rhosus, a ship under Moldovan flag sailing from Batumi in Georgia to Mozambique. Rhosus ended up being impounded by Beirut’s Port State Control.</p>
<p></span></span><span class="contents"><span class="contents">Subsequently the ship was de facto abandoned by its owner, shady businessman Igor Grechushkin, born in Russia and a resident of Cyprus, who suspiciously “lost interest” in his relatively precious cargo, not even trying to sell it, dumping style, to pay off his debts.</p>
<p></span></span><span class="contents"><span class="contents">Grechushkin never paid his crew, who barely survived for several months before being repatriated on humanitarian grounds. The Cypriot government confirmed there was no request to Interpol from Lebanon to arrest him. The whole op feels like a cover – with the real recipients of the ammonium nitrate possibly being “moderate rebels” in Syria who use it to make IEDs and equip suicide trucks, such as the one that demolished the Al Kindi hospital in Aleppo.</p>
<p></span></span><span class="contents"><span class="contents">The 2,750 tons – packed in 1-ton bags labeled “Nitroprill HD” – were transferred to the Hangar 12 warehouse by the quayside. What followed was an astonishing case of serial negligence.</p>
<p></span></span><span class="contents"><span class="contents">From 2014 to 2017 letters from customs officials – a series of them – as well as proposed options to get rid of the dangerous cargo, exporting it or otherwise selling it, were <a class="" title="https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/officials-knew-danger-beirut-port-years-200805032416684.html" href="https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/officials-knew-danger-beirut-port-years-200805032416684.html">simply ignored</a>. Every time they tried to get a legal decision to dispose of the cargo, they got no answer from the Lebanese judiciary. </span></span><span class="contents"><span class="contents">When Lebanese Prime Minister Hassan Diab now proclaims, “Those responsible will pay the price,” context is absolutely essential.</p>
<p></span></span><span class="contents"><span class="contents">Neither the prime minister nor the president nor any of the cabinet ministers knew that the ammonium nitrate was stored in Hangar 12, former Iranian diplomat Amir Mousavi, the director of the Center for Strategic Studies and International Relations in Tehran, confirms. We’re talking about a massive IED, placed mid-city.</p>
<p></span></span><span class="contents">The bureaucracy at Beirut’s port and the mafias who are actually in charge are closely linked to, among others, the al-Mostaqbal faction, which is led by former Prime Minister Saad al-Hariri, himself fully backed by the House of Saud. </span><span class="contents"><span class="contents">The immensely corrupt Hariri was removed from power in October 2019 amid serious protests. His cronies “disappeared” at least $20 billion from Lebanon’s treasury – which seriously aggravated the nation’s currency crisis.</p>
<p></span></span><span class="contents">No wonder the current government – where we have Prime Minister Diab backed by Hezbollah – had not been informed about the ammonium nitrate. </span><span class="contents"><span class="contents">Ammonium nitrate is quite stable, making it one of the safest explosives used in mining. Fire normally won’t set it off. It becomes highly explosive only if contaminated – for instance by oil – or heated to a point where it undergoes chemical changes that produce a sort of impermeable cocoon around it in which oxygen can build up to a dangerous level where an ignition can cause an explosion.</p>
<p></span></span><span class="contents"><span class="contents">Why, after sleeping in Hangar 12 for seven years, did this pile suddenly feel an itch to explode?</p>
<p></span></span><span class="contents">So far, the prime <a class="" title="https://ahtribune.com/world/north-africa-south-west-asia/lebanon/4333-beirut-explosion-who-is-responsible.html?fbclid=IwAR2ch-xFl2Nk6qRQ9tTyHzvFlwtxYEskrN-OF435mae3RSHrpArgESpeMCg#.XyxhEAsmg50.facebook" href="https://ahtribune.com/world/north-africa-south-west-asia/lebanon/4333-beirut-explosion-who-is-responsible.html?fbclid=IwAR2ch-xFl2Nk6qRQ9tTyHzvFlwtxYEskrN-OF435mae3RSHrpArgESpeMCg#.XyxhEAsmg50.facebook" rel="noreferrer noopener">straight to the point explanation</a>, by Middle East expert Elijah Magnier, points to the tragedy being “sparked” – literally – by a clueless blacksmith with a blowtorch operating quite close to the unsecured ammonium nitrate. Unsecured due, once again, to negligence and corruption – or as part of an intentional “mistake” anticipating the possibility of a future blast. </span><span class="contents"><span class="contents">This scenario, though, does not explain the initial “fireworks” explosion. And certainly does not explain what no one – at least in the West – is talking about: the deliberate fires set to an Iranian market in Ajam in the UAE, and also to a series of food/agricultural warehouses in Najaf, Iraq, immediately after the Beirut tragedy.</span></span></div>
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<div><span class="contents" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: provicali;">Follow the money<br />
</span>Lebanon – boasting assets and real estate worth trillions of dollars – is a juicy peach for global finance vultures. To grab these assets at rock bottom prices, in the middle of the New Great Depression, is simply irresistible. In parallel, the IMF vulture would embark on full shakedown mode and finally “forgive” some of Beirut’s debts as long as a harsh variation of “structural adjustment” is imposed.</p>
<p>Who profits, in this case, are the geopolitical and geoeconomic interests of US, Saudi Arabia and France. It’s no accident that President Macron, a dutiful <a class="" title="https://www.ft.com/content/58eb10ba-bc18-11e8-8274-55b72926558f?fbclid=IwAR1UhUqVKyp8_cLQpzYs3xQlqnLXsV38uxU3yH-Fmjq3XuOtETNHp33z5Qo" href="https://www.ft.com/content/58eb10ba-bc18-11e8-8274-55b72926558f?fbclid=IwAR1UhUqVKyp8_cLQpzYs3xQlqnLXsV38uxU3yH-Fmjq3XuOtETNHp33z5Qo">Rothschild servant</a>, arrived in Beirut Thursday to pledge Paris neocolonial “support” and all but impose, like a Viceroy, a comprehensive set of “reforms”. A Monty Python-infused dialogue, complete with heavy French accent, might have followed along these lines: “We want to buy your port.” “It’s not for sale.” “Oh, what a pity, an accident just happened.”</p>
<p>Already a month ago the IMF was <a class="" title="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-02/pressure-piles-on-lebanon-as-imf-warns-implosion-accelerating" href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-02/pressure-piles-on-lebanon-as-imf-warns-implosion-accelerating">“warning”</a> that “implosion” in Lebanon was “accelerating.” Prime Minister Diab had to accept the proverbial “offer you can’t refuse” and thus “unlock billions of dollars in donor funds.” Or else. The non-stop run on the Lebanese currency, for over a year now, was just a – relatively polite – warning.</div>
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<div>This is happening amid a massive global asset grab characterized in the larger context by American GDP down by almost 40%, arrays of bankruptcies, a handful of billionaires amassing unbelievable profits and too-big-to-fail megabanks duly bailed out with a tsunami of free money.</div>
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<div>Dag Detter, a Swedish financier, and Nasser Saidi, a former Lebanese minister and central bank vice governor, <a class="" title="https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2020/06/29/1593437142000/How-public-assets-can-help-revive-Lebanon/" href="https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2020/06/29/1593437142000/How-public-assets-can-help-revive-Lebanon/">suggest</a> that the nation’s assets be placed in a national wealth fund. Juicy assets include Electricité du Liban (EDL), water utilities, airports, the MEA airline <strong class="">,</strong> telecom company OGERO, the Casino du Liban.</div>
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<div>EDL, for instance, is responsible for 30% of Beirut’s budget deficit.</div>
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<div>That’s not nearly enough for the IMF and Western mega banks. They want to gobble up the whole thing, plus a lot of real estate.</div>
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<div>“The economic value of public real estate can be worth at least as much as GDP and often several times the value of the operational part of any portfolio,” say Detter and Saidi.</div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: provicali;">Who’s feeling the shockwaves?<br />
</span>Once again, Israel is the proverbial elephant in a room now widely depicted by Western corporate media as “Lebanon’s Chernobyl.”</p>
<p><a class="" title="https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-an-israeli-newspaper-wanted-to-flatten-a-city-of-millions-beirut/5510960" href="https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-an-israeli-newspaper-wanted-to-flatten-a-city-of-millions-beirut/5510960">A scenario like the Beirut  </a>catastrophe has been linked to Israeli plans since February 2016.</p>
<p>Israel did admit that Hangar 12 was not a Hezbollah weapons storage unit. Yet, crucially, on the same day of the Beirut blast, and following a series of suspicious explosions in Iran and high tension in the Syria-Israeli border, Prime Minister Netanyahu <a class="" title="https://mobile.twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/1290605716911337473" href="https://mobile.twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/1290605716911337473">tweeted </a>, in the present tense: “We hit a cell and now we hit the dispatchers. We will do what is necessary in order to defend ourselves. I suggest to all of them, including Hezbollah, to consider this.”</p>
<p>That ties in with the intent, openly proclaimed late last week, <a class="" title="https://hamodia.com/2020/07/31/gantz-instructs-idf-bomb-lebanese-infrastructure-hezbollah-harms-soldiers-civilians/" href="https://hamodia.com/2020/07/31/gantz-instructs-idf-bomb-lebanese-infrastructure-hezbollah-harms-soldiers-civilians/">to bomb Lebanese infrastructure</a> if Hezbollah harms Israeli Defense Forces soldiers or Israeli civilians.</p>
<p>A <a class="" title="https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium-beirut-blast-shockwaves-will-be-felt-by-hezbollah-for-a-long-time-1.9047044" href="https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium-beirut-blast-shockwaves-will-be-felt-by-hezbollah-for-a-long-time-1.9047044">headline</a> – “Beirut Blast Shockwaves Will Be Felt by Hezbollah for a Long Time” – confirms that the only thing that matters for Tel Aviv is to profit from the tragedy to demonize Hezbollah, and by association, Iran. That ties in with the US Congress “Countering Hezbollah in Lebanon’s Military Act of 2019” {S.1886}, which all but orders Beirut to expel Hezbollah from Lebanon.</p>
<p>And yet Israel has been strangely subdued.</p>
<p>Muddying the waters even more, Saudi intel – which has access to Mossad, and demonizes Hezbollah way more than Israel – steps in. All the intel ops I talked to refuse to go on the record, considering the extreme sensitivity of the subject.</p>
<p>Still, it must be stressed that a Saudi intel source whose stock in trade is frequent information exchanges with the Mossad, asserts that the original target was Hezbollah missiles stored in Beirut’s port. His story is that Prime Minister Netanyahu was about to take credit for the strike – following up on his tweet. But then the Mossad realized the op had turned horribly wrong and metastasized into a major catastrophe.</p>
<p>The problem starts with the fact this was not a Hezbollah weapons depot – as even Israel admitted. When weapons depots are blown up, there’s a primary explosion followed by several smaller explosions, something that could last for days. That’s not what happened in Beirut. The initial explosion was followed by a massive second blast – almost certainly a major chemical explosion – and then there was silence.</p>
<p><a class="" title="https://www.voltairenet.org/article210672.html" href="https://www.voltairenet.org/article210672.html">Thierry Meyssan</a>, very close to Syrian intel, advances the possibility that the “attack” was carried out with an unknown weapon, a missile -– and not a nuclear bomb – tested in Syria in January 2020. (The test is shown in an attached video.) Neither Syria nor Iran ever made a reference to this unknown weapon, and I got no confirmation about its existence.</p>
<p>Assuming Beirut port was hit by an “unknown weapon,” President Trump may have told the truth: It was an “attack”. And that would explain why Netanyahu, contemplating the devastation in Beirut, decided that Israel would need to maintain a very low profile.</p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: provicali;">Watch that camel in motion<br />
<span style="font-family: 'PT Serif', serif; font-size: 14px;">The Beirut explosion at first sight might be seen as a deadly blow against the Belt and Road Initiative, considering that China regards the connectivity between Iran, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon as the cornerstone of the Southwest Asia Belt and Road corridor.</p>
<p></span></span>Yet that may backfire – badly. China and Iran are already positioning themselves as the go-to investors post-blast, in sharp contrast with the IMF hit men, and as advised by Hezbollah Secretary-General Nasrallah only a few weeks ago.</p>
<p>Syria and Iran are in the forefront of providing aid to Lebanon. Tehran is sending an emergency hospital, food packages, medicine and medical equipment. Syria opened its borders with Lebanon, dispatched medical teams and is receiving patients from Beirut’s hospitals.</p>
<p>It’s always important to keep in mind that the “attack” (Trump) on Beirut’s port destroyed Lebanon’s main grain silo, apart from engineering the total destruction of the port – the nation’s key trade lifeline.</p>
<p>That would fit into a strategy of starving Lebanon. On the same day Lebanon became to a great extent dependent on Syria for food – as it now carries only a month’s supply of wheat – the US attacked silos in Syria.</p>
<p>Syria is a huge exporter of organic wheat. And that’s why the US routinely targets Syrian silos and burns its crops – attempting also to starve Syria and force Damascus, already under harsh sanctions, to spend badly needed funds to buy food.</p>
<p>In stark contrast to the interests of the US/France/Saudi axis, Plan A for Lebanon would be to progressively drop out of the US-France stranglehold and head straight into Belt and Road as well as the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. Go East, the Eurasian way. The port and even a great deal of the devastated city, in the medium term, can be quickly and professionally rebuilt by Chinese investment. The Chinese are specialists in port construction and management.</p>
<p>This avowedly optimistic scenario would imply a purge of the hyper-wealthy, corrupt weapons/drugs/real estate scoundrels of Lebanon’s plutocracy – which in any case scurry away to their tony Paris apartments at the first sign of trouble.</p>
<p>Couple that with Hezbollah’s very successful social welfare system – which I saw for myself at work last year – having a shot at winning the confidence of the impoverished middle classes and thus becoming the core of the reconstruction.</p>
<p>It will be a Sisyphean struggle. But compare this situation with the Empire of Chaos – which needs chaos everywhere, especially across Eurasia, to cover for the coming, Mad Max chaos inside the US.</p>
<p>General Wesley Clark’s notorious <a class="" title="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNt7s_Wed_4" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNt7s_Wed_4" rel="noreferrer noopener">7 countries in 5 years </a>once again come to mind – and Lebanon remains one of those 7 countries. The Lebanese lira may have collapsed; most Lebanese may be completely broke; and now Beirut is semi-devastated. That may be the straw breaking the camel’s back – releasing the camel to the freedom of finally retracing its steps back to Asia along the New Silk Roads.</p>
<p>(Republished from <a href="https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/who-profits-from-the-beirut-blast/" rel="nofollow">Asia Times</a> by permission of author or representative)</div>
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					<description><![CDATA[EKATERINA BLINOVA—The current administration has been exerting pressure on Beijing since day one of Donald Trump's presidency. However, previously, US-Chinese frictions were mostly about trade deficit, apparent currency manipulations, and the Chinese telecom sector. Following the COVID-19 outbreak, US-Chinese ties have hit a new low. Both Democrats and Republicans are calling for tightening the screws on the People's Republic.

One could ask whether it was really the coronavirus pandemic, blamed by the White House on Beijing, that became the watershed in Sino-American relations. Not really, observers say. What matters is the November election.]]></description>
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<div id="attachment_293924" style="width: 1210px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Trump-Xi-TradeWar.jpg?x25221" data-rel="penci-gallery-image-content" ><img aria-describedby="caption-attachment-293924" class="size-full wp-image-293924" src="https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Trump-Xi-TradeWar.jpg?x25221" alt="" width="1200" height="800" srcset="https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Trump-Xi-TradeWar.jpg 1200w, https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Trump-Xi-TradeWar-350x233.jpg 350w, https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Trump-Xi-TradeWar-600x400.jpg 600w, https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Trump-Xi-TradeWar-768x512.jpg 768w, https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Trump-Xi-TradeWar-585x390.jpg 585w, https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Trump-Xi-TradeWar-263x175.jpg 263w" sizes="(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-293924" class="wp-caption-text">The Western empire declared war on China, Russia and every other nation standing in its way to global hegemony. China is currently being heavily demonized.</p></div>
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<p>The latest ban has come on the heels of a series of anti-China measures, including sanctions against senior officials of the People's Republic and an abrupt closure of China's Consulate in Houston.</p>
<p>The Economist <a href="https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/08/01/us-china-relations-are-entering-a-dangerous-period" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">notes</a> that although China and America "are not about to take up arms", the points of friction and misunderstanding are accumulating, threatening to end in an outcome detrimental to both sides: "As a presidential election draws near, the potential for dangerous miscalculation is growing", the media outlet warns.</p>
<h4>What's Behind US Crackdown Against China</h4>
<p>The current administration has been exerting pressure on Beijing since day one of Donald Trump's presidency. However, previously, US-Chinese frictions were mostly about trade deficit, apparent currency manipulations, and the Chinese telecom sector. Following the COVID-19 outbreak, <a href="https://sputniknews.com/analysis/202004091078886490-its-no-good-blaming-china-for-covid-19-while-beijing-is-stretching-its-helping-hand-to-us--author/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">US-Chinese ties have hit a new low</a>. Both Democrats and Republicans are calling for tightening the screws on the People's Republic.</p>
<p>One could ask whether it was really the coronavirus pandemic, blamed by the White House on Beijing, that became the watershed in Sino-American relations.</p>
<p>Not really, observers say. What matters is the November election.</p>
<blockquote class="marker-quote1"><p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: chivo-bold;">"There are certainly major issues like China's currency manipulation to increase trade and also territorial claims in the South China Sea, but the real reason is that it is an election year and it is good politics for a candidate to appear to be strong against foreign competitors and 'enemies'", says Philip Giraldi, a former CIA counter-terrorism specialist and military intelligence officer. "This is also what occurred against Russia in 2016. Both Trump's Republicans and the Democrats are doing the same thing to be 'tough' and China is the convenient target".</span></p></blockquote>
<p>The president's effort to scapegoat China is part of his strategy to cope with mounting pressure from his opposition, according to Dr Paul Craig Roberts, an American economist and former assistant secretary of the Treasury for economic policy under President Ronald Reagan.</p>
<blockquote class="marker-quote1"><p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: chivo-bold;">"Trump has been prevented by the US establishment for the entirety of his term from addressing the issues on which he campaigned", Dr Roberts elaborates. "Trump has connected China via rhetoric with US job loss and is playing up conflict with China as evidence that he is trying to do something about bringing jobs home. Coronavirus, 5G, anything that can be attributed to China is helpful in presenting Trump as fighting for America".</span></p></blockquote>
<p>Besides this, there is an internal political competition among Trump's associates, with China hawks playing the first fiddle, deems Thomas W. Pauken II, a Beijing-based Asia-Pacific affairs commentator and author of <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/US-China-Trade-Reciprocal-Deal-ebook/dp/B07Y8935K1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">US vs China: From Trade War to Reciprocal Deal</a></em>.</p>
<div id="attachment_304555" style="width: 508px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><a href="https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/US-empty-shelves-inditex-coronavirus.jpg?x25221" data-rel="penci-gallery-image-content" ><img aria-describedby="caption-attachment-304555" class="wp-image-304555" src="https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/US-empty-shelves-inditex-coronavirus.jpg?x25221" alt="" width="498" height="332" srcset="https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/US-empty-shelves-inditex-coronavirus.jpg 1000w, https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/US-empty-shelves-inditex-coronavirus-768x512.jpg 768w, https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/US-empty-shelves-inditex-coronavirus-585x390.jpg 585w, https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/US-empty-shelves-inditex-coronavirus-263x175.jpg 263w" sizes="(max-width: 498px) 100vw, 498px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-304555" class="wp-caption-text">A serious conflict with China would present Americans with empty shelves in many major stores, something unprecedented that would collapse the popularity of any presiding regime.</p></div>
<p>One of these hawks is Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who is fanning the flames of US-China tensions in an apparent bid to score political points, according to Pauken. Over the past few months, the US secretary of state has been urging Europe and other nations to form an alliance against the People's Republic. While delivering his speech on 23 July at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum in Yorba Linda, California, Pompeo declared the failure of 50 years of engagement with China.</p>
<blockquote class="marker-quote1"><p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: alller-bold;">Pauken draws parallels between the Trump administration's growing anti-Beijing rhetoric and plummeting poll numbers, suggesting that the anti-China strategy is "just not working to win over the voters’ hearts".</span></p></blockquote>
<h4>War of Words Won't Translate Into Open Conflict</h4>
<p>Neither of the observers believes that ramping up tensions with Beijing will bear any positive fruit. At the same time, neither of them expects <a href="https://sputniknews.com/analysis/202007161079899396-why-the-us-has-no-chance-of-winning-either-a-cold-or-a-hot-war-against-china/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a potential direct confrontation between the powers</a>.</p>
<p>However, the ex-CIA field officer envisions that the US "will certainly push hard on China to limit its claims <a href="https://sputniknews.com/analysis/202007241079970310-us-heading-towards-quagmire-in-the-south-china-sea-by-inciting-tensions-with-beijing-activist-warns/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">to the Spratley Islands in the South China Sea</a>".</p>
<p>"If it comes to a trade war the US will lose because China produces many consumer items that are currently sold in America but no longer produced here", admits Philip Giraldi. "When the shelves in American stores become empty, the public will demand that the government do something about it, which will mean going back to normal relations".</p>
<blockquote class="marker-quote1"><p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: chivo-bold;">"China has nothing to fear from Washington", agrees Dr Roberts. "So much of American industry is located in China that were China to nationalise it, Wall Street would collapse".</span></p></blockquote>
<p>Besides this, if pushed over the edge the People's Republic can still go nuclear on US bonds and currency, the economist presumes.</p>
<p>"With the US dollar currently falling below its support levels, China could dump the $1 trillion in US government bonds it holds on the bond market", Dr Roberts notes. "This would force the Federal Reserve to protect bond prices (and low interest rates) by printing $1 trillion more dollars with which to purchase the bonds. China could then dump the $1 trillion in the currency market, and the US dollar would take a major hit that could signal the end of its reserve currency role".</p>
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<p>As for a much-discussed "united front" against Beijing, many US allies are ignoring demands to block Chinese companies and investments, the CIA veteran points out.</p>
<blockquote class="marker-quote1"><p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: chivo-bold;">"The issue is that China is taking over key growth industries like telecommunications that once were dominated by American and European companies", Giraldi explains. "Trump would like to reverse that but China has a big lead both in the technologies themselves and the marketing".</span></p></blockquote>
<p>Recently, the UK government succumbed to pressure from the US administration and ordered British mobile providers to remove Huawei's equipment from their networks by 2027 at an expected cost of £2 billion. However, when it comes to the EU, the final word rests with Germany: if Berlin bars the Chinese telecom firm, then other European states will follow its suit, The Economist <a href="https://www.economist.com/briefing/2020/07/16/americas-war-on-huawei-nears-its-endgame" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">foresees</a>. As of yet, the German government has stopped short of a Huawei ban in the upcoming 5G rollout. </p>
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<p>For his part, Dr Roberts suggests that China should not worry about the EU stance in the long term, as the economy of Washington's European allies is heading towards a protracted decline, just like that of the US.</p>
<p>"China’s Silk road is not focused on the West", the economist underscores. "China is focused on Asia and Africa. Asia, not the West, is where the future lies. If China and Russia form a strategic alliance, that alliance will dominate the world. The time of the West has passed".</p>
<h4>Things May Get Better After Elections</h4>
<p>The US-China relationship is likely to come back on track after the November elections, predicts Thomas Pauken.</p>
<blockquote class="marker-quote1"><p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: chivo-bold;">"China understands that during US elections season, it’s routine for American politicians to play the anti-China card", the author says. "If Trump wins his re-election bid, he will focus on the US economic rebound. He needs China to play a more cooperative role for boosting the US economy. He’s likely to play nice with Beijing to score a much better US-China trade agreement that will be a win-win for both sides".</span></p></blockquote>
<p>At the same time, he expects that Trump will reshuffle his cabinet, "fire anti-China neocons in his administration and start fast-paced negotiations with Beijing over a US-China trade deal". Thus, Pauken expresses doubts that "Pompeo will serve as US secretary of state for Trump’s second-term".</p>
<p>However, if Biden assumes the Oval Office, the Asia-Pacific commentator is not sure that "peace will prevail", since "many neoconservative thought leaders have endorsed Biden’s campaign" and are ready to jump on his bandwagon.</p>
<p>"It will get very bad this year before it improves once the election is over and things settle down in Washington", admits Philip Giraldi. "Neither party would benefit from an open state of hostility that continues much longer and everyone knows that".</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[MoA—False allegations over the security of TikTok user data were used to threaten the prohibition of the video app in its U.S. market. In the U.S. alone the app is used by more than 80 million people. It plays an important part in the youth culture and music business. Faced with a potential close down of its prime business in one of its most profitable markets ByteDance had no choice but to agree to negotiate about a sale.]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: NTR, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">DISPATCHES FROM <a href="http://www.moonofalabama.org">MOON OF ALABAMA</a>, BY "B"<br />
</span><span style="font-family: helmet;">This article is part of an ongoing series of dispatches from Moon of Alabama<br />
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<span class="su-dropcap su-dropcap-style-light" style="font-size:1.5em"><span style="font-family: riffic;">T</span></span>he Trump administration is <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/tiktok-how-the-white-house-helped-us-investors-to-raid-a-chinese-company.html">working to dispossess</a> the Chinese company ByteDance by blackmailing it to sell its valuable TikTok business to a U.S. company for a bargain price. This to the benefit of yet unknown people.</p>
<p>False allegations over the security of TikTok user data were used to threaten the prohibition of the video app in its U.S. market. In the U.S. alone the app is used by more than 80 million people. It <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/02/style/tiktok-ban-threat-trump.html">plays an important part</a> in the youth culture and music business. Faced with a potential close down of its prime business in one of its most profitable markets ByteDance had no choice but to agree to negotiate about a sale.</p>
<p>ByteDance declined an offer by two of its U.S. based minority investors to buy the business for $50 billion as that price was far below its presumed value. The White House stepped in to find a new buyer with enough change to pay for a deal. As the largest social media companies - Facebook, Apple, Google and Twitter - are already <a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-apple-google-tiktok-antitrust-success-hearing-2020-7?r=DE&amp;IR=T">under congressional investigations</a> for their monopoly positions in U.S. markets none of them could be the potential buyer. Facebook has in fact just launched a rip-off of the TikTok product under the name Reels. It is <a href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-seeks-to-reel-in-tiktok-creators-raising-stakes-in-social-media-rivalry-11595928600?mod=hp_lead_pos3">trying to poach</a> TikTok 'creators' for its own service. Facebook owner Mark Zuckerberg has <a href="https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/7009144/Mark-Zuckerberg-Written-Testimony.pdf">warned</a> of Chinese competition. He  would be the biggest winner should TikTok be thrown out of the U.S. market.</p>
<p>The White House finally came up with Microsoft as a potential buyer. But Microsoft has historically been unsuccessful in the social media business. It also does other business with China and is reluctant to get involved in a move that could damage that business.</p>
<p>Despite Microsoft's lack of interest President Trump personally pressed for a shotgun marriage. The Democrats <a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tiktok-navarro-idUSKBN24Z1SM">are supporting him</a> in this. But neither ByteDance nor Microsoft really want to make the deal.</p>
<p>ByteDance would prefer to move the TikTok business <a href="https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3095708/tiktoks-chinese-owner-bytedance-prefers-independent-spin-over">into an independent company</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: chivo-bold;">TikTok could become totally independent from its Chinese owner ByteDance to continue operating overseas, according to a source who has been briefed on the discussions.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: chivo-bold;">But the source said that despite reports that the video-sharing platform would be taken over by Microsoft, ByteDance founder Zhang Yiming and investors were reluctant to sell to the US company.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: chivo-bold;">[I]f it is able to continue operating in the US, the board of ByteDance will agree to a complete spin-off for the overseas version of the app, which operates under the name Douyin in China.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: chivo-bold;">The new entity would keep the TikTok name, but will have different management and will no longer answer to ByteDance.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: chivo-bold;">“Except for Zhang Yiming, almost all those in the room favour such a spin-off,” the source said. “The mood is kind of: ‘the founder will be out and the house will be ours’.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: chivo-bold;">“But even for Zhang himself, there’s really no other option because the app will be killed if you don’t let it go.”</span></p>
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<p>The spin-off would cover all markets except China where a ByteDance owned app similar to TikTok is run under the name Douyin. A sale to Microsoft would only include the markets in the U.S., Canada, New Zealand and Australia. (Note that Britain is the only member of the 5-eyes club missing here.)</p>
<p>That Microsoft is not really wanting the deal can be gleaned for the convoluted statement <a href="https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2020/08/02/microsoft-to-continue-discussions-on-potential-tiktok-purchase-in-the-united-states/">it issued</a> yesterday. This is clearly unprecedented language in a public company's  communication:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: chivo-bold;">Following a conversation between Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and President Donald J. Trump, Microsoft is prepared to continue discussions to explore a purchase of TikTok in the United States.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: chivo-bold;">Microsoft fully appreciates the importance of addressing the President’s concerns. It is committed to acquiring TikTok subject to a complete security review and providing proper economic benefits to the United States, <strong>including the United States Treasury</strong>.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: chivo-bold;">Microsoft will move quickly to pursue discussions with TikTok’s parent company, ByteDance, in a matter of weeks, and in any event completing these discussions no later than September 15, 2020. During this process, Microsoft looks forward to continuing dialogue with the United States Government, including with the President.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: chivo-bold;">The discussions with ByteDance will build upon a notification made by Microsoft and ByteDance to the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS).</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: chivo-bold;"><strong>Microsoft may invite other American investors to participate on a minority basis in this purchase.</strong> </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: chivo-bold;">Microsoft appreciates the U.S. Government’s and President Trump’s personal involvement as it continues to develop strong security protections for the country.</span></p>
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<p>This ass kissing of Trump is not what Microsoft is used to do. Satva Nadella was clearly pressed into publishing this. Such a statement would usually include language about increasing shareholder value or better user experience. This statement has none of that standard sweet talk.</p>
<p>The stock market seems to believe that a takeover of TikTok would be profitable for <a href="https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/MSFT">Microsoft</a>:</p>
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<p>I have my doubts that Microsoft can successfully run a social network business. This one would be restricted to just four countries and it would likely lose access to the continuing development of the app. Where is the potential growth for such a restricted application?</p>
<p>And how will China react if Microsoft takes part in the U.S. raid of ByteDance's business? While China is only contributing some 2% to Microsoft's overall revenue the company's biggest R&amp;D center outside of the U.S. <a href="https://news.microsoft.com/about-microsofts-presence-in-china/">is in China</a>. It <a href="https://www.geekwire.com/2020/microsoft-president-brad-smith-tech-cold-war-u-s-china-relations/">contributes</a> to its global success:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: chivo-bold;">“[There has been an] explosion of innovation in China,” [Microsoft President Brad] Smith said. “One of the things that we at Microsoft have long appreciated is the enormous ingenuity of the engineering population of China.”</span></p></blockquote>
<p>Microsoft's X-Box game station as well as other hardware it sells is at least partially developed and <a href="https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/10930934/ps5-xbox-series-x-delayed-china-coronavirus/">produced in China</a>. Some of Microsoft's Chinese engineers might have there own ideas on how China should retaliate to the attack on a successful Chinese company. The Trump administration sees that danger and it <a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tiktok-navarro-idUSKBN24Z1SM">is pressing</a>Microsoft to get rid of all its relations with China:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: chivo-bold;">White House trade adviser Peter Navarro suggested on Monday that Microsoft could divest its holdings in China if it were to buy TikTok.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: chivo-bold;">“So the question is, is Microsoft going to be compromised?” Navarro said in an interview with CNN. “Maybe Microsoft could divest its Chinese holdings?”</span></p>
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<p>Leaving China would surely damage Microsoft's long term business. For a global company that country is a too big potential market to be left at the wayside.</p>
<p>But the real question about the mafia raid on ByteDance is who is destined to profit from it.</p>
<p>Today Trump <a href="https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1290341695939379203">said</a> (vid) that if Microsoft closes the deal a substantial amount should be paid to the Treasury because his administration 'enabled the deal'. He likely didn't consult a lawyer before making that wrongheaded statement.</p>
<p>But who are the "other American investors" who are invited "to participate on a minority basis in this purchase". <em>Reuters</em> had already <a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tiktok-bytedance-exclusive-idUSKBN24X3SK">reported</a> that 'minority investor' clause. Is the wider Trump family involved in this?</p>
<p>Why is that term so important for Trump that Microsoft has felt a need to repeat it in what is essentially a public terms letter addressed to Trump?</p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">I know B says this is about stealing, but maybe this is about sending China a message about how it does business in general. As you should know by now, China disallows many American apps in China. Is this a message to China about how America and maybe American allies will do business with them from now on? First Huawei and now Tik Tok and next who knows what? It looks to me like the message to China is: Follow the Golden Rule, which is not "whoever has the most gold rules" but is instead "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: <a title="https://medium.com/@pamho" href="https://medium.com/@pamho" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">Kali</a> | Aug 3 2020 17:57 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0263e95a0280200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0263e95a0280200b">1</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Hey Kali, China DOES NOT need the US but what you are seeing is a violation of business norms. You say China doesn't allow many apps from entering its market is not the same as the US trying to blackmail a successful Chinese app that have already entered the US market. Since you mentioned Huawei; they own almost the entire 5G technology so either you pay directly or indirectly irregardless if the US bans them or not</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: OJs_White_Bronco | Aug 3 2020 18:09 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0264e2ec40f9200d#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0264e2ec40f9200d">2</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">I was speculating just a day or two ago that Trump must be working to get himself or one of his offspring a piece of that pie. (Well that does seem to be a common MO with Trump.)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Meanwhile Pompeo threatens to outlaw a large number of Chinese "apps". Are they even talking to each other now?</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 3 2020 18:17 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0263ec2baa0b200c#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0263ec2baa0b200c">3</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">You're authoritarian so we'll be authoritarian too! Genius. /s</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: mesmo | Aug 3 2020 18:17 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0264e2ec4159200d#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0264e2ec4159200d">4</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">thanks b... pardon me for saying this, but how much of this is about controlling a company - in this instance tik tok? it was the event at the rally in tulsa where tiktok users gave the trump election rally a jolt by giving it the impression there were going to be a lot of people at the rally, when it fact it bombed.. the reason it bombed was thanks tik tok users.... the usa can't have this happening on their own soil.. it is okay for colour revolutions on others soil, but not on usa soil... everything must be run thru the NSA- CIA.. compliance is assured with fb, twitter, google,amazon, microsoft and etc. etc. but it isn't assured with social media that the usa- nsa has no control over... thus the need to screw with tik tok, just like huawei is about control of the narratives...</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">frankly, i can't see it working out and as @ 2 ojs wb points out - it is a violation of business norms.... usa-nsa-cia wants to control the narrative is what it looks like to me.. in order for them to do that, the corporation has to be run by usa-friendly multinational corporations where the usa can spy or dictate as the need may be...</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: james | Aug 3 2020 18:20 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0263e95a039a200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0263e95a039a200b">5</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">if US companies aren't allowed to ignore China's rules for business in China, then Chinese companies that follow US rules in the US won't be allowed to succeed. It's the white supremacist way.</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: mijj | Aug 3 2020 18:25 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0264e2ec41a4200d#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0264e2ec41a4200d">6</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">I don't know who's going to benefit from this, but I know they have an army of ideologues working for them:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;"><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/02/opinion/02tik-tok-china-trump.html" rel="nofollow">There’s a Deal to Save TikTok — if Trump Doesn’t Mess It Up: Microsoft wants to buy the Chinese app, and the administration needs to get out of the way</a></span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-family: chivo-bold; font-size: 10pt;">As I wrote in a column about using a burner phone when I enjoy TikTok, Trump and other tech executives, like Mr. Zuckerberg, are right to say that China and the country’s tech companies threaten American users when it comes to security, data and, more important, influence and propaganda.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: chivo-bold; font-size: 10pt;">Such pressure is obviously best used to force a sale, as was done with the gay dating service Grindr, to a United States company. And that’s why the Microsoft deal to acquire TikTok makes a lot of sense. <b>With its strong tech security chops</b>, Microsoft is one of the handful of U.S. companies with experience in managing big and complex platforms (besides the massive Windows and Office franchises, the company also owns LinkedIn, Skype and Minecraft).</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: chivo-bold; font-size: 10pt;"><b>While there are other American tech giants — Amazon and Apple spring to mind — that could also take on the Chinese security threat, a Microsoft-owned TikTok could also create a healthy and suspicion-free rival to Facebook in the social media space. And Microsoft would fix security issues quicker than taking TikTok public as a U.S. company.</b></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: chivo-bold; font-size: 10pt;"><b>“They should take the Microsoft deal,”</b> Mr. Stamos noted. <b>“It’s the best outcome for the United States</b>, as Microsoft has one of the best security teams in tech, as it prevents a fight over the basic freedom of Americans to use the open Web.”</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">And, as a bonus:</span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-family: chivo-bold; font-size: 10pt;">“The Trump administration needs to look at the next move,” said Alex Stamos, who used to be in charge of stopping foreign incursions at both Facebook and Yahoo and now is director of the Stanford Internet Observatory. “They can block economic activity by TikTok in the U.S., but we fortunately don’t have a Great Firewall in this country. If they push too hard, ByteDance can focus on providing TikTok as a side-loaded Android app and a mobile website, both of which would be impossible for Trump to block.”</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: chivo-bold; font-size: 10pt;">Let me translate Mr. Stamos’ geekspeak: If there’s a will to make a TikTok dance video go viral, there’s a way.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: chivo-bold; font-size: 10pt;">And that’s why the United States should support an open internet that touts democratic values using sophisticated strategy, smart policy and large investments in research and innovation, as well as some well-placed cudgels.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">What?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">--</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Meanwhile...</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;"><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/opinion/trump-biden-presidential-debates-2020.html" rel="nofollow">Let’s Scrap the Presidential Debates: They’ve become unrevealing quip contests</a></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Signed by Elizabeth Drew, "a journalist based in Washington".</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the modern Western journalist.</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: <a title="https://virgenskamikazes.blogspot.com.br" href="https://virgenskamikazes.blogspot.com.br/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">vk</a> | Aug 3 2020 18:27 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0263e95a03d8200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0263e95a03d8200b">7</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">@ Posted by: Kali | Aug 3 2020 17:57 utc | 1</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">The difference here is that the American companies can't enter the Chinese market because they openly refuse to abide to Chinese Law (i.e. they want imperial powers), while the Chinese companies fully operate in conformation to American Law (including, as is the case, TikTok).</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Besides, the West is the one which put the weight of the moral high ground upon itself (Rule of Law, Human Rights, Freedom, etc. etc.), so it is their onus to prove this stance to be geopolitically superior, not China (or, for that matter, Iran, Russia...).</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: <a title="https://virgenskamikazes.blogspot.com.br" href="https://virgenskamikazes.blogspot.com.br/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">vk</a> | Aug 3 2020 18:31 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0264e2ec4200200d#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0264e2ec4200200d">8</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">@7 vk</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Hilarious. No matter the year or era we find ourselves in, the in-person debate btw candidates is one of the purest and most honest ways that voters can gauge their candidates.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">I know Derrida wrote about writing and how speaking in person is the priveleged mode of expression in our world, but we can not be sure that the candidate is the one who actually writes their pieces or who actually truly feels these words.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Here we are again: MSM bias favoring the pure-globalist candidate. It's not surprising.</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 3 2020 18:48 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0263ec2bab83200c#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0263ec2bab83200c">9</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Facebook at one time was operating in China. In 2008-2009 terrorists were using Facebook to coordinate attacks in Xinjiang province. When the Chinese government demanded the information Facebook declined to provide citing privacy issues. After that Facebook was banned.</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: One Too Many | Aug 3 2020 18:50 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0264e2ec42e4200d#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0264e2ec42e4200d">10</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">@OJs_White_Bronco &amp; @vk</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Maybe China keeps many apps out of China because they can't control the information? </span><br />
<span style="font-family: dubai;">For example Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, Google--maybe they want complete control over what their populations hear or says online? Or maybe it is about cornering the market in China for the same type of apps for Chinese oligarchs? Maybe their reluctance to allow non-CCP approved apps in their market is getting some pushback from America's oligarchy? OR, maybe this is about Tik Tok being so big. I mean Twitter, Google, Youtube, Facebook and so on, ALL ACT AS POLITICAL CENSORS FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THEIR COUNTERPARTS IN THE FIVE EYES CABAL. With Tik Tok, maybe the Republicans want a huge social media app to be under their political control also? Or maybe Trump is being used by the DEEP STATE to place Tik Tok under the same censorship agenda of the other Tech Giants? Or is this as I originally speculated, all about trying to open China up?</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: <a title="https://medium.com/@pamho" href="https://medium.com/@pamho" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">Kali</a> | Aug 3 2020 18:52 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0263ec2baba1200c#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0263ec2baba1200c">11</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: Kali | Aug 3 2020 18:52 utc | 11</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"For example Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, Google--maybe they want complete control over what their populations hear or says online?"</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">If that's the case why is it not illegal in China to have a VPN? How many strawmen are in that diatribe you just posted? I can only knock down one at a time.</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: One Too Many | Aug 3 2020 18:58 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0263e95a0572200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0263e95a0572200b">12</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">pardon my ignorance, but why not just pull the app from the US market and let US kids suffer and make Trump look even worse? why cave in and sell?</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: Prof K | Aug 3 2020 18:58 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0263ec2babbe200c#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0263ec2babbe200c">13</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">@ 11 kali... that is kind of what i am getting at @5... seems like control thru the intel agencies is the game in play.. ''you let us control it, or you don't get to play in this market'' kind of thinking.. obviously the cia version in the ccp doesn't work with the cia....if they did, it would be different...</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: james | Aug 3 2020 18:59 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0263e95a0580200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0263e95a0580200b">14</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Is the dispute over Tik-Tok really about protecting American citizens?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Non-US companies collect a lot of info about US citizens and citizens of other Western countries via internet apps and other means. And much info is available for sale as well.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Seems more likely that the forced sale is really about protecting the Western establishment and US power-elite. A massive social network is a threat to their control because it could be used to spread anti-US govt messages. Mostly to younger people who are already very cynical (as we can see from the protesting) and thus more willing to accept it as true or reflecting a truth.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPLE34EemoE" rel="nofollow">Trump impersonator Sarah Cooper got started on TikTok</a>.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Although Sarah's comedy is not a threat to the US power-elite, one can easily imagine messaging that would be:</span></p>
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<li><span style="font-family: dubai;">USA threatens war against a country and suddenly everyone in USA gets messages that depict Trump/USA as a bully and that create sympathy for the good people of the target country.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: dubai;">Messaging that decries the harsh and unfair treatment of political prisoners (Assange?);</span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: dubai;">Messaging that calls into question the legitimacy of a US Presidential election.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: dubai;">Messages that mock Trump's blaming China for the pandemic by describing the Trump Administration's inept response to the pandemic.</span></li>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">PS Where's the libertarian mob complaining about government control? Those astro-turfed bullsh*ters are not really interested in issues that they are not paid to be interested in.</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: <a title="http://jackrabbit.blog" href="http://jackrabbit.blog/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">Jackrabbit</a> | Aug 3 2020 19:01 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0264e2ec4359200d#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0264e2ec4359200d">15</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">@ Posted by: Kali | Aug 3 2020 18:52 utc | 11</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">As you well stated, this "power struggle" argument can be used for any circumstances. We must be more specific if we want to extract useful information.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">As of now, the information is that: so far, foreign companies that agree to obey Chinese Law and regulations can operate there normally and without problem, while the same is not true anymore for the USA.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">We live in a Nation-State world. Nations are sovereign, and have the right to set up their own regulations and write their own laws. It is the USA, not China, which broke the international pact. There's absolutely no evidence China broke any international convention; the only "crime" it committed seems to be the fact that it is too successful.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Now, if you want to argue against the Nation-State system, then we would be in another discussion altogether.</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: <a title="https://virgenskamikazes.blogspot.com.br" href="https://virgenskamikazes.blogspot.com.br/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">vk</a> | Aug 3 2020 19:04 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0264e2ec438b200d#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0264e2ec438b200d">16</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">james @Aug3 18:20 #5</span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-family: dubai;"><i>Tulsa rally</i></span></p></blockquote>
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<span style="font-family: dubai;">Yeah, exactly right.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">A great example of people organizing on a non-US platform with an anti-establishment result: disrupting electioneering and embarrassing POTUS</span><span style="font-family: dubai;">!!</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: <a title="http://jackrabbit.blog" href="http://jackrabbit.blog/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">Jackrabbit</a> | Aug 3 2020 19:08 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0263ec2bac35200c#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0263ec2bac35200c">17</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Gee, seems <a href="https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1196565.shtml" rel="nofollow">the Chinese have a very different view of it all</a>:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"As TikTok's global market influence was skyrocketing, the company was suppressed by the US government. Again, this shows how difficult it is for companies from China to go global. ByteDance said in a statement that it is "committed to becoming a global company." But Washington will not easily let the company off just because of its good wishes.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"The US' decoupling from China starts from killing China's most competitive companies. In the process, Washington ignores rules and is unreasonable. Although suppressing Huawei and TikTok also incurs losses to the US, the suppression can still be implemented in the US. This is because such suppression echoes the sense of crisis instigated by some US elites when facing China's rise.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"Huawei and ByteDance can only provide limited protection to themselves via legal means. But we should not overestimate the US' sense of justice. The country has shown us too many examples of politics overwhelming everything else....</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"Huawei has advanced equipment, and ByteDance sells services to the world through unique concepts and technologies. The two companies are pioneers worldwide. They have brought a sense of crisis to US elites, which shows that China's top companies have the ability to move to the forefront of the world in technology. It reflects the power of China as an emerging market. As long as such power continues to expand, these top Chinese companies can eventually break through US suppression.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"By banning Huawei, the US would lag behind in 5G technology. By banning TikTok, the US would harm its own internet diversity and its belief in freedom and democracy. When similar things happen time and again, the US will take steps closer to its decline. The US is a pioneer in global internet and has created Google, Facebook, Twitter and YouTube. But in recent years, the US' internet structure has been rigid.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"Rising stars such as ByteDance continue to emerge in Chinese internet sector, showing huge vitality. China knows its deficiencies, strives to become stronger, and adheres to opening-up to the world. The US, however, is gradually being shrouded in arrogance, seclusion and a negative attitude. Chinese people should not be discouraged by temporary setbacks, or our weaker position in the China-US confrontation. What's important is that China's trend of faster-pace progress has not changed....</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"The COVID-19 pandemic is an important issue, clearly showing us that the US has fallen into a type of systematic chaos. This will severely limit its ability to indefinitely upgrade and exert pressure on China. Many of the US practices, including banning TikTok, show the country's weakening competitiveness. Can't Facebook just come up with a more powerful app and beat TikTok in the market? The problem is Facebook cannot do it. It can only resort to the brute force of US politics."</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">As you read, China takes this very differently. It sees the inability of Outlaw US Empire firms to compete and thus seek protection as <a href="https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1196575.shtml" rel="nofollow">suggested here</a>:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"Western countries' social media platforms have long dominated, and only a handful of Chinese firms that have entered the arena in recent years have won popularity. TikTok has seen record-high downloads across the world. <b>Per data from an industry analysis platform Sensor Tower in April, TikTok had been downloaded more than 2 billion times globally</b>.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"The US' plan to ban TikTok follows the same logic as its crackdown on Chinese tech firm Huawei. The US has been limiting the 5G frontrunner for years, essentially the result of evolving relations between China and the US-led Western world.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"<b>TikTok and Huawei are not isolated cases. Chinese high-tech firms that expand overseas will encounter different levels of barriers as China develops into a new tech power, giving rise to concerns from countries that feel threatened by Chinese technology</b>.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"The US will not allow a social media platform that enjoys high popularity among younger generations to be operated by a foreign company, especially when the countdown to its presidential election ticks on. Banning TikTok now is, to some extent, also a move by Trump to control public voices after groups of young American TikTok users reportedly upstaged his first large-scale public rally amid the COVID-19 pandemic by registering for tickets and failing to attend.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"With the election drawing near, a plunging second-quarter GDP at negative 32.9 percent, and the world's largest number of coronavirus infections, it is likely the Trump administration will continue rolling out new and even harsher measures to antagonize China and attempt to block it economically." [My Emphasis]</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">How much revenge and the election play into the drama are unknown, but we know Trump is soft-skinned and very vindictive; Tulsa was a huge embarrassment. Can't compete; erect a tariff wall to protect your weak companies--the Outlaw US Empire demands China "open up" while it closes up instead. As the headline of the first item screamed, "Banning TikTok reflects Washington’s cowardice."</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 3 2020 19:15 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0264e2ec43e3200d#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0264e2ec43e3200d">18</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">They should let it die with honor so they don't have to live in shame.</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: Thordoom | Aug 3 2020 19:17 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0263ec2bacb3200c#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0263ec2bacb3200c">19</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">vk @ 16 says: "so far, foreign companies that agree to obey Chinese Law and regulations can operate there normally and without problem, while the same is not true anymore for the USA."</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Precisely. Every country in the world (including US) has its own national security laws and regulations. Companies like Microsoft, Oracle, SAP that obey Chinese laws/regulations are operating fine in China. Companies like Google and Facebook DECIDED TO QUIT China because they don't want to obey Chinese laws/regulations.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">However, these lies about "Chinese banning US software", like the lies about "Chinese forced tech transfer", have been repeated over 1000 times - they are now almost the "truth" in the minds of many, as per Joseph Goebbels: “A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told 1000 times becomes the truth.”</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: d dan | Aug 3 2020 19:27 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0263ec2bad3f200c#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0263ec2bad3f200c">20</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">All I can see in this story is Trump 'helping' the USG/Biz nexus to thoroughly discredit itself as totally untrustworthy &amp; utterly incapable of sticking to ANY deal, Biz or Political.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: dubai;">It's sub-moronic. But I like it :-)</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 3 2020 19:37 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0263e95a070f200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0263e95a070f200b">21</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Gotta love the stupid Western capitalists.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: dubai;">First, it was "Let's all invest in China, do a lot of business and move all our factories there because we'll make a shit-ton of $$".</span><br />
<span style="font-family: dubai;">Then, it's "Oh, they're too big and powerful, we need to stop trading and making any kind of business with them".</span><br />
<span style="font-family: dubai;">As some clever guy said about these short-sighted idiots more than a century ago, they're selling the rope with which to hang them.</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: Clueless Joe | Aug 3 2020 19:37 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0264e2ec451e200d#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0264e2ec451e200d">22</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">@ 17 jackrabbit.. the upside for the usa-cia- nsa here is they can blame china, just like they have been blaming russia for russiagate, the losts clinton e mails, skripal and lord know how many other bullshit stories... now they can use this against china claiming tiktok is china... welp, that is one possible upside for the cia-usa here.. ultimately it is all downside though, lol...</span></p>
<p class="posted"><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: james | Aug 3 2020 19:40 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0263e95a0734200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0263e95a0734200b">23</a></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Yeah, this is all about control over censorship. Facebook, twitter, google, youtube, they have all been very busy downranking, blacklisting, shadowbanning or even outright deleting dissident content and accounts.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">James correctly points out that a bunch of these malcontents even caused palpable embarrasment for the system. That's scary for them. They operate a Ministry of Propaganda that has untold billions sloshing through its troughs and veins, yet can be derailed by a few minutes of rogue content going viral.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">PS did anyone notice how they placed a sentence with the word "Microsoft" right next to a sentence with the words "complete security review"? Could this be coded language to indicate that the proposition is fundamentally unrealistic?</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: Lurk | Aug 3 2020 19:42 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0263ec2bae28200c#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0263ec2bae28200c">24</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">The fact that the CEO of Microsoft had to spend any time at all listening to that gibbering shitgibbon-in-chief is bad enough, but to have to in addition issue a groveling nonsensical public statement like that is beyond pathetic.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">The entire episode reveals gross hypocrisy, rampant corruption, weakness and a willingness for the US government to engage in censorship.</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: snow_watcher | Aug 3 2020 19:50 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0264e2ec45f2200d#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0264e2ec45f2200d">25</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;"><a href="https://sputniknews.com/analysis/202008031080048917-new-cold-war-on-the-horizon-why-china-has-nothing-to-fear-from-washington/" rel="nofollow">In this <i>Sputnik</i> analysis</a>, Philip Giraldi and Paul Craig Roberts offer their take on the Anti-China escalation of which the TikTok affair is the newest act. They contend that Trump's actions are the result of Outlaw US Empire weakness in numerous areas that predate COVID and are now more obvious thanks to Trump's continuing gross ineptitude over that crisis. The economic hemorrhaging will continue apace until the election and beyond thus bringing the Dollar Crisis into focus much sooner as <a href="https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/08/03/the-dollar-standard-slipping-out-of-control/" rel="nofollow">Crooke relates here</a>:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"Bubbles are one factor, but there are also signs of the tectonic plates drifting apart in a different way, but no less threatening. Bankers Goldman Sachs sits at the very heart of the western financial system – and incidentally staffs much of Team Trump, as well as the Federal Reserve.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"And Goldman wrote something this week that one might not expect from such a system stalwart: Its commodity strategist Jeffrey Currie, wrote that [Link at original] 'real concerns around the longevity of the U.S. dollar as a reserve currency have started to emerge'.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"What? Goldman says the dollar might lose its reserve currency status. Unthinkable? Well that would be the standard view. Dollar hegemony and sanctions have long been seen as Washington’s stranglehold on the world through which to preserve U.S. primacy. America’s ‘hidden war’, as it were. Trump clearly views the dollar as the bludgeon that can make America Great Again. Furthermore, as Trump and Mnuchin – and now Congress – have taken control of the Treasury arsenal, the roll-out of new sanctions bludgeoning has turned into a deluge....</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"And this week, the U.S. Council on Foreign Relations issued a paper entitled: It is Time to Abandon Dollar Hegemony. [Link at original]</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"That, we repeat, is the globalist line. The CFR has been a progenitor of both the European and Davos projects. It is not Trump’s. He is fighting to keep America as the seat of western power, and not to accede that role to Merkel’s European project – or to China.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"So why would Goldman Sachs say such a thing? Attend carefully to Goldman’s framing: It is not the Davos line. Instead, Currie writes that the soaring disconnect between spiking gold price and a weakening dollar 'is being driven by a potential shift in the U.S. Fed towards an inflationary bias, against a backdrop of rising geopolitical tensions, elevated U.S. domestic political and social uncertainty, and a growing second wave of covid-19 related infections'.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"Translation: It is about U.S. explosive debt accumulation, on account of the Coronavirus lockdown. In a world where there is already over $100 trillion in dollar-denominated debt, on which the U.S. cannot default; nor will it ever be repaid. It can therefore only be inflated away. That is to say the debt can only be managed through debasing the currency. (Debt jubilees are viewed as beyond the pale.)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"That is to say, Goldman’s man says dollar debasement is firmly on the Fed agenda. And that means that 'real concerns around the longevity of the U.S. dollar as a reserve currency, have started to emerge'.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">"It is a nuanced message: <b>It hints that the monetary experiment, which began in 1971, is ending. Currie is telling U.S. that the U.S. is no longer able to manage an economy with this much debt – simply by printing new currency, and with its hands tied on other options. The debt situation already is unprecedented – and the pandemic is accelerating the process.</b></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;"><b>"In short, things are starting to spin out of control</b>, which is not the same as advocating a re-boot. And the debasement of money is inevitable. That’s why Currie points to the disconnect between the gold price (which usually governments like to repress), and a weakening dollar. If it is out of the Fed’s control, it is ultimately (post-November) out of Trump’s hands, too." [My Emphasis]</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">As Max Keiser reveled in last week, The Fiat Ponzi is finally ending, and with that will come a massive reshuffling--a Paradigm Change. Lots of smoke's being generated to cover the actual fire, wherein TrumpCo can be seen as the firemen in Bradbury's <i>Fahrenheit 451</i>, burning the currency instead of books. And as Crooke notes, many other nations are tied to the Dollar's demise.</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 3 2020 20:00 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0263e95a0873200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0263e95a0873200b">26</a></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Kali @11: <i>"...maybe they want complete control..."</i></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Hysterical hyperbole much?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Child pornography is outlawed in the US. Businesses are not allowed to broadcast it, publish it, or host it on their servers. Clearly the government <i>"wants complete control"</i>!</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">China has laws. Just because a company doesn't agree with those laws doesn't mean that company can ignore them and still do business in China. Can a business open shop in the US and ignore America's laws? Of course not, so why should it be any different for doing business in China?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: dubai;">Try to imagine, for instance, the Russia-based social media platform VK.com being used by active terrorist cells murdering people in the USA. Now imagine the FBI gets a court order for VK.com to turn over those terrorists' communications so that the FBI can prevent the next head chopping spree by those terrorists in Times Square, but VK.com refuses to comply. Would you be OK with that? That is precisely what Facebook did in China, as <b>One Too Many @10</b> pointed out. It is not even as if China's laws in this regard are so different from America's. After all, your communications online are monitored by the NSA, and even your posts here are data-mined by the CIA, the FBI, and even your local state police if they want to.</span></p>
<p class="posted"><strong><span style="font-family: dubai;">Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 3 2020 20:15 utc | <a href="https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/08/trump-presses-microsoft-tiktok-into-a-deal-that-neither-wants-who-profits-from-it.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0263ec2bb053200c#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0263ec2bb053200c">27</a></span></strong></p>
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