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		<title>Comment on The Book of the Shepherd by Joann Davis by youthbear</title>
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		<description>This book, advocating grace instead of the law is well suited to me as I need extra grace for submitting this review approximately 2 months late.  Moving past that introduction, I have to give this book mixed reviews.  While a quick and easy read, the book was engaging at the start but then my interest began to wane as the book seemed to lose it way.  I loved the stories of the different characters and the messages they conveyed, which kept me engaged and looking for the wisdom in each story.  The plot then becomes simplistic with the main characters suddenly “falling in love” and promising themselves to each other after Joshua ventures into the cave, if Joshua returns safely. This is seemingly a quick infatuation without substance or story to substantiate the relationship.  And the discovery of the treasure is relatively easy so that it leaves one wondering why it had not been found earlier.  Surely overcoming the pit in the cave and knowing when to enter could have been figured out by any astute observer.  The ‘great treasure” found, the parchment with the Law of Substitution, seems anti-climatic after the characters undertake such a journey culminated by entering the dangerous cave.  The messages of the story are a bit confusing, mixing biblical principle references to those of everyone having power.  The book states that everyone has the potential to be the “one” that can make the difference, when biblically there is only “One”.  This story lacks the depth and truth to have the powerful impact that a book like “The Shack” had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This book, advocating grace instead of the law is well suited to me as I need extra grace for submitting this review approximately 2 months late.  Moving past that introduction, I have to give this book mixed reviews.  While a quick and easy read, the book was engaging at the start but then my interest began to wane as the book seemed to lose it way.  I loved the stories of the different characters and the messages they conveyed, which kept me engaged and looking for the wisdom in each story.  The plot then becomes simplistic with the main characters suddenly “falling in love” and promising themselves to each other after Joshua ventures into the cave, if Joshua returns safely. This is seemingly a quick infatuation without substance or story to substantiate the relationship.  And the discovery of the treasure is relatively easy so that it leaves one wondering why it had not been found earlier.  Surely overcoming the pit in the cave and knowing when to enter could have been figured out by any astute observer.  The ‘great treasure” found, the parchment with the Law of Substitution, seems anti-climatic after the characters undertake such a journey culminated by entering the dangerous cave.  The messages of the story are a bit confusing, mixing biblical principle references to those of everyone having power.  The book states that everyone has the potential to be the “one” that can make the difference, when biblically there is only “One”.  This story lacks the depth and truth to have the powerful impact that a book like “The Shack” had.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thy Kingdom Connected by Dwight Friesen by everydayliturgy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dwight Friesen has written an audacious book that takes the digital metaphor very seriously.  People talk about networking, but that’s really just our generation’s version of cocktail parties.  People talk about downloading but it’s just a new way of discussing rote learning or lectures.  People talk about connectivity, but it always seems like they are just trying to put a new spin on “the passing of the peace.”  However, when Dwight Friesen discusses digital metaphors—networking, nodes, connectivity, knowledge, linking, community, and social networks—he’s being serious.

His seriousness pushes people into a bizarre mix of sociological theory, nerdom, and missional theology.  And it works.  It works well.

Others have tried, but the message always came in a divorced medium: the dryness of a how-to book can never capture the creative possibilities of technology.  The old and new don’t mix well.  Friesen puts his thoughts down in connective ways, with thought provoking quotes starting and ending his thoughts.  This layout of the book is purposeful: Friesen is showing the links between his work and others work by ending bookending his ideas with quotes.  The humility of the digital metaphor is evident: our communities must become democratic, a holy “endless chain of signifiers,” as Derrida would say.

The value of the author is only as good as the links to it, the connections, the networking.  Friesen argues for this in terms of network ecology, a way of caring for networks.  This is, in at it’s most simple, a re-imagining of the literal pastor, the shepherd.  The job of the pastor is re-imaged as the network ecologist, a person whose job it is to care for the community like a shepherd takes care of the sheep.

Computers and networks scare people.  Just mention TCP/IP or DNS servers and many will feel faint.  Friesen guides the novice (whether technological, sociological, or theological) and carefully dips his or her head under water so that they can experience the bold vision of a kingdom connected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dwight Friesen has written an audacious book that takes the digital metaphor very seriously.  People talk about networking, but that’s really just our generation’s version of cocktail parties.  People talk about downloading but it’s just a new way of discussing rote learning or lectures.  People talk about connectivity, but it always seems like they are just trying to put a new spin on “the passing of the peace.”  However, when Dwight Friesen discusses digital metaphors—networking, nodes, connectivity, knowledge, linking, community, and social networks—he’s being serious.</p>
<p>His seriousness pushes people into a bizarre mix of sociological theory, nerdom, and missional theology.  And it works.  It works well.</p>
<p>Others have tried, but the message always came in a divorced medium: the dryness of a how-to book can never capture the creative possibilities of technology.  The old and new don’t mix well.  Friesen puts his thoughts down in connective ways, with thought provoking quotes starting and ending his thoughts.  This layout of the book is purposeful: Friesen is showing the links between his work and others work by ending bookending his ideas with quotes.  The humility of the digital metaphor is evident: our communities must become democratic, a holy “endless chain of signifiers,” as Derrida would say.</p>
<p>The value of the author is only as good as the links to it, the connections, the networking.  Friesen argues for this in terms of network ecology, a way of caring for networks.  This is, in at it’s most simple, a re-imagining of the literal pastor, the shepherd.  The job of the pastor is re-imaged as the network ecologist, a person whose job it is to care for the community like a shepherd takes care of the sheep.</p>
<p>Computers and networks scare people.  Just mention TCP/IP or DNS servers and many will feel faint.  Friesen guides the novice (whether technological, sociological, or theological) and carefully dips his or her head under water so that they can experience the bold vision of a kingdom connected.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A New Kind of Christianity by Brian McLaren by jimmyd8466</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’ve read several of Brian McLaren’s books before and I’ve always appreciated his humility, his genuine love for God, his generosity in dealing with people who believe differently and the approachability of his writing style.  There have been several times though where I felt he was deconstructing and asking questions and leaving us, the readers, to find the answers.  This has made for some great conversations around his books but I’ve also felt like I’d love to know the conclusions that he came to on these same topics.
I had heard that his newest book “A New Kind of Christianity” might be the book where Brian moves from deconstruction to constructing new ways of thinking for a new kind of Christianity so I was thrilled to receive my copy from the publisher and I jumped right in.
The book is based around ten questions whose answers Brian believes will shape the way that Christianity will move forward.
The chapters about the narrative arc of the Bible, and how we should read and interpret were fascinating.  Brian talks about how many believers view the Bible as a constitutional document that we go to for “case law” in order to defend our actions, or condemn others, when the Bible is written as a library of poems, histories, parables, and letters.
The chapter about a moving from the view of a violent tribal God to a Christlike God was especially eye opening to me.  It sounds like a no brainer but it was really an AHA moment for me when Brian talked about the fact that not only is Jesus like God, but God is like Jesus.  Brian says it this way, “The Bible’s highest value is in revealing Jesus, who gives us the highest, deepest, and most mature view of the character of the living God.”
This book covers lots of ground, and not only theology, but practical, down to earth material that helps us visualize what these new ways of thinking mean to the way that we live out our everyday lives.
Overall I found this book to be very respectful and humble.  I found Brian’s writing to be motivated out of a deep love for Jesus and the people who are trying their best follow Jesus.  I can’t say I agree 100% with everything Brian has written but I really appreciate the way he makes me think long and hard about what I believe and why.   This book can be very challenging at times, especially if you come from a church background, but I would encourage you to read it with an open mind, and ideally with a few friends that could read through it with you and discuss your thoughts along the way.

http://culturedrivenlife.blogspot.com/2010/03/new-kind-of-christianity.html

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve read several of Brian McLaren’s books before and I’ve always appreciated his humility, his genuine love for God, his generosity in dealing with people who believe differently and the approachability of his writing style.  There have been several times though where I felt he was deconstructing and asking questions and leaving us, the readers, to find the answers.  This has made for some great conversations around his books but I’ve also felt like I’d love to know the conclusions that he came to on these same topics.<br />
I had heard that his newest book “A New Kind of Christianity” might be the book where Brian moves from deconstruction to constructing new ways of thinking for a new kind of Christianity so I was thrilled to receive my copy from the publisher and I jumped right in.<br />
The book is based around ten questions whose answers Brian believes will shape the way that Christianity will move forward.<br />
The chapters about the narrative arc of the Bible, and how we should read and interpret were fascinating.  Brian talks about how many believers view the Bible as a constitutional document that we go to for “case law” in order to defend our actions, or condemn others, when the Bible is written as a library of poems, histories, parables, and letters.<br />
The chapter about a moving from the view of a violent tribal God to a Christlike God was especially eye opening to me.  It sounds like a no brainer but it was really an AHA moment for me when Brian talked about the fact that not only is Jesus like God, but God is like Jesus.  Brian says it this way, “The Bible’s highest value is in revealing Jesus, who gives us the highest, deepest, and most mature view of the character of the living God.”<br />
This book covers lots of ground, and not only theology, but practical, down to earth material that helps us visualize what these new ways of thinking mean to the way that we live out our everyday lives.<br />
Overall I found this book to be very respectful and humble.  I found Brian’s writing to be motivated out of a deep love for Jesus and the people who are trying their best follow Jesus.  I can’t say I agree 100% with everything Brian has written but I really appreciate the way he makes me think long and hard about what I believe and why.   This book can be very challenging at times, especially if you come from a church background, but I would encourage you to read it with an open mind, and ideally with a few friends that could read through it with you and discuss your thoughts along the way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Book of the Shepherd by Joann Davis by rawhite2</title>
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		<description>I'm not sure why everyone is so excited about this book. It's not the new "Shack." I took The Book of the Shepherd along with me on a recent trip. I found the story line to be uninteresting and the analogy to be quite oblique. To be honest, I couldn't finish it. While I found The Shack very difficult to put done, The Book of the Shepherd is gathering dust on my nightstand.

Sorry to be so negative, but I just didn't get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure why everyone is so excited about this book. It&#8217;s not the new &#8220;Shack.&#8221; I took The Book of the Shepherd along with me on a recent trip. I found the story line to be uninteresting and the analogy to be quite oblique. To be honest, I couldn&#8217;t finish it. While I found The Shack very difficult to put done, The Book of the Shepherd is gathering dust on my nightstand.</p>
<p>Sorry to be so negative, but I just didn&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on After You Believe: Why Christian Character Matters by N.T. Wright by jd234512</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to get this book additionally.  He is by far my favorite author and I will be seeing him next month at the Wheaton Theology Conference, so I have added incentive to finish it quick and give it a thorough response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to get this book additionally.  He is by far my favorite author and I will be seeing him next month at the Wheaton Theology Conference, so I have added incentive to finish it quick and give it a thorough response.</p>
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		<title>Comment on After You Believe: Why Christian Character Matters by N.T. Wright by jwbergmann</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Send a copy my way. I'll read and review it within a week of receiving it. Thanks!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Thy Kingdom Connected by Dwight Friesen by ngilmour</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0801071631?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=harthelaswor-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0801071631" rel="nofollow"&gt;Thy Kingdom Connected: What the Church Can Learn from Facebook, the Internet, and Other Networks&lt;/a&gt;

Review Cross-posted from &lt;a href="http://www.christianhumanist.org/chb" rel="nofollow"&gt;TheChristian Humanist Blog&lt;/a&gt;

I think I have a new favorite Emergent writer, or at least someone to join Scot McKnight at the top of my list.  Although I have some concerns with some moves that this book makes (which is nothing new for my reviews, no?), I came away from this book with some new ideas to contemplate, some mental tools to try out on the relationships that constitute human existence, and a sense that I'd found someone who is asking the same sorts of questions that I'm asking but who has turned to different intellectual traditions to start forming answers.

&lt;strong&gt;Networks and the Basics of the Book&lt;/strong&gt;

Friesen takes his vocabularies of networks, nodes, connections, and clusters from network theory, that hybrid of computer science and sociology that begins to some extent with existentialist philosophy and picks up serious steam as computer networks become one of the primary media and in some cases the main medium through which human beings in the developed world relate to one another. The main features of network thinking that set it apart from some of its rivals and predecessors are a focus on connection rather than being-in-itself, an insistence that any thing's or person's being is nothing less than the sum of her or his or its connections to other entities in the world; and a more focused attention on the ways in which human relationships within those networks differ from one another, this casual acquaintance neither flattened out to be equal with that intimate friendship nor one set in hierarchical preference over another, except in the thick description of this or that "cluster" moment.  (I'll write a bit more about clusters, one of my favorite parts of the book, later.)

The bad news here is that Friesen falls to the temptation so common to these sorts of books, namely to divide the course of Western history into three segments called pre-modern, modern, and postmodern, and as with most such attempts to chop history into chunks defined by the current power structures, it lacks nuance.  The good news is that he does provide a selection of excerpts from thinkers as diverse as George Bernard Shaw, John Muir, Martin Luther King, Jr., Barack Obama, and the Dalai Lama, each of which highlights the interconnectedness of reality and the sense in which no thing in itself means anything exclusively in itself.  (As someone who studies and teaches 17th-century literature I was quite disappointed that John Donne's "Meditation XVII" did not feature in the list, but I don't expect seminary professors outside of the church history department to pay too much mind to folks before Hegel.)  Moreover, he provides a nice argument against reductionist anti-Institutionalism, comparing it to Gnosticism's nay-saying to embodied community (106).

Beyond those good things, Friesen also holds his own importance lightly, making fun of himself and his neologisims at one point and throughout the book insisting that whatever importance he holds is because of, yes, the good people with whom he's connected over his years.  He relates this conception of his place in the world as he explicates what he calls "the parable of Google" (83), a vision of authority within the Church that is "revealed, not held" (115), a conception that makes me worry, but I'll get to that later.

&lt;strong&gt;Christ-Commons and Christ-Cluster&lt;/strong&gt;

By far the most interesting set of ideas in the book (they're interconnected, dig?) are what Friesen calls Christ-Commons and Christ-Cluster, and I do think that this constellation of relationships is as fine a way as I've seen to cut some of the Gordian knots that arise when folks like me (a Deacon in a relatively conservative Christian Churches congregation) and folks like many of my friends (who are parts of various Emergent cohorts, house churches, and other "EC" aggregations) run into when we talk ecclesiolgy.  Rather than imagining such things as opposing entities of similar kind, Friesen locates them relative to each other as parts of a larger body of experience.

Christ-Commons refers to sustained traditions in Friesen's picture of things.  A venerable institution like the Catholic Church, an intellectual movement like Realism (in the medieval sense) or Calvinism, an Emergent cohort, and an evangelical megachurch's small group all stand as Christ-Commons, relatively stable groups of connections that exist to serve a larger end but nonetheless exert some energy to sustain themselves.  Friesen points to the genuine human goods like stability, responsibility, and patience that come from belonging to such while noting that they're not the sum total of human experience, much less the Christian experience.

Christ-Clusters, on the other hand, are momentary happenings, things like the ad hoc outpourings of support that happen in the face of disaster and the seemingly spontaneous collaborations that often arise when online acquaintances put their heads together and launch into grand conversations about this or that topic.  Friesen notes that much of what Paul writes about the movement of the Spirit in the letters to the Corinthians fits this pattern better than it does the more fixed organizations that he calls Christ-Commons, and he notes that Christ-Commons are helpful to facilitating Christ-Clusters precisely insofar as they encourage strong, intimate connections and less involved acquaintance among people with a common cause.  The ad hoc character of a cluster, in other words, can derive great strength from prior and intentional communities that arise from the commons.

What causes frustration and sometimes even enmity, Friesen suggests, is that when some folks try to perpetuate those momentary and Spirit-initiated Christ-Cluster moments, they either remain blind to or become resentful of the fact that any network node that persists is going to become a Commons, losing the character of the Cluster when the moment that calls the Cluster into being has passed.  In the case of blindness, the frustration comes from an anti-institutionalism simultaneous with the inevitable solidification of institution, and in the case of resentment, it's likely to result in posts decrying "the death of Emergent" every three months or so.

Perhaps this relationship was more than obvious to everyone except for me, but since I took this book on, I've been thinking differently about relationships between the decline of mainline Protestantism, the rise and self-doubt that I've seen in Emergent, the pains that I've seen firsthand as evangelical congregations don't keep up with the megachurch Joneses, and an array of other phenomena.

&lt;strong&gt;Friesen Exacerbates My Hangups with Trinity and Church&lt;/strong&gt;

I honestly don't know whether to attribute my first worry to my own theological timidity or to genuine problems with the book, but I'm almost certain that the second problem follows from the first.

As I noted in a post last week about the way that I do theology as someone who does more preaching than theological-book-publishing, I tend to make divine revelation the starting point for theological reflection, and more often than not, the form and content of that revelation is enough to fill the time generally designated for a homily, so I generally don't go much farther.  I certainly confess the Trinity, but I've studied just enough Church history that I suspect that any possible articulation of the nature of the Trinity beyond "Trinity?  Yep." is at least somewhat likely to fall into some council's or theologian's catalogue of heresies.  Please understand that I don't begrudge anyone else's attempts to articulate the real nature of the ontological Trinity; I'd just prefer to stay safely on the economic side.

With that disposition in place, readers can certainly understand my unease when Friesen, establishing good reasons for using network theory in theology, refers to the Spirit as "the &lt;em&gt;perichoretic&lt;/em&gt; relationship of the Father and the Son" (57, italics original).  The implication with which Friesen wants to run is that "&lt;em&gt;We&lt;/em&gt; is not simply a statement of relationship but actually suggests our relationships themselves are living beings reflective of the Triune God" (57-58).  Friesen is duly careful not to elevate the status of human relationships to ontological equality with a Person of the Trinity, but the move still troubles me for a couple reasons.  For one, there's the third-man question that plagues Plato: if the Spirit is the relationship between the Father and the Son, then what or whom is Jesus promising to send exactly in the gospel of John, and what would be the name for the relationship between the Son and the relationship-between-the-Father-and-the-Son?  And once we named that, would there be another name for the relationship between the Son and the relationship-between-the-Son-and-the-relationship-between-the-Father-and-the-Son?  Certainly I don't need to go farther than that: even if the assertion is compelling aesthetically, it makes no sense philosophically.  My second hangup is that I've had people who actually do Trinitarian theology insist that the diminution of any Person of the Trinity from full Personhood is a bad thing, and although I'm not exactly sure what Personhood is, this move seems to diminish it.

All that said, remember that this criticism is from the cowardly lion who runs from his own tail when faced with the task of talking intelligently about the Trinity.

The implications of this picture of Trinity, of course, have directly to do with ecclesiology.  If the Person of the Trinity is a relationship between prior personalities, it only makes sense for the authority granted by that Person to arise not from that person's mysterious choosing of this person to heal and that one to speak in the tongues of angels and a third to exercise the office of teaching; on the contrary, as I noted before, in Friesen's vision of the life of the Church, "Authority is revealed, not held" (115).  I recognize that such a vision of the work of the Spirit is not &lt;em&gt;prima facie &lt;/em&gt;incompatible with the text of Paul, but it would, I imagine, make certain sustained activities like oversight (what &lt;em&gt;episkopoi&lt;/em&gt; do) or shepherding (what &lt;em&gt;presbyteroi&lt;/em&gt; do) or teaching (what &lt;em&gt;didaskoloi&lt;/em&gt; do) rather difficult.  In Friesen's vision, like others I've seen, the relatively chaotic gifting of the gospel of John and the letters to the Corinthians seem to take pride of place from the more orderly systems of the letters to Timothy and Titus.  I'm not saying that I've ever seen an ecclesiology that balances those two in a way that compels everybody, but it is a concern that concerns me.

One more bit of philosophical trouble I had with the book has to do with its use of the words order and chaos.  Friesen admits that he borrows his usage not from philosophical but from corporate-managerial vocabularies, but it still troubles me that he wrote a sentence (fragment) like "A time for chaos and a time for order" (96).  If there is a time proper to one thing and a time proper to another thing, then it's not chaos.  I realize that this is a quibble, that a simple change from "order and chaos" to "conservation and innovation" or even "tradition and the individual talent" would easily enough make his point read more valid, but I figured I should note this and say as a larger point that part of Friesen's charm, that he shifts so effortlessly from one vocabulary to another, is also a source of some fuzziness.  For readers alright with a bit of fuzziness, that should not be too much of a problem.

&lt;strong&gt;Worth a Look&lt;/strong&gt;

Overall, although at the end of the day I'm still uncomfortable with its vision of the Trinity and the resulting ecclesiology that flows from it, I think that &lt;em&gt;Thy Kingdom Connected&lt;/em&gt; stands as a worthwhile book for contemplating in new terms some of the questions that have really troubled the Church in my own generation, and as with most books, I think that someone doing a different sort of Trinitarian theology (in other words, someone skirting another set of heresies) could easily enough adapt that understanding to Friesen's philosophical and sociological insights.  This is a book worth a look for a goodly range of readers, and I'm glad that Mike Morell sent it my way.</description>
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<p>Review Cross-posted from <a href="http://www.christianhumanist.org/chb" rel="nofollow">TheChristian Humanist Blog</a></p>
<p>I think I have a new favorite Emergent writer, or at least someone to join Scot McKnight at the top of my list.  Although I have some concerns with some moves that this book makes (which is nothing new for my reviews, no?), I came away from this book with some new ideas to contemplate, some mental tools to try out on the relationships that constitute human existence, and a sense that I&#8217;d found someone who is asking the same sorts of questions that I&#8217;m asking but who has turned to different intellectual traditions to start forming answers.</p>
<p><strong>Networks and the Basics of the Book</strong></p>
<p>Friesen takes his vocabularies of networks, nodes, connections, and clusters from network theory, that hybrid of computer science and sociology that begins to some extent with existentialist philosophy and picks up serious steam as computer networks become one of the primary media and in some cases the main medium through which human beings in the developed world relate to one another. The main features of network thinking that set it apart from some of its rivals and predecessors are a focus on connection rather than being-in-itself, an insistence that any thing&#8217;s or person&#8217;s being is nothing less than the sum of her or his or its connections to other entities in the world; and a more focused attention on the ways in which human relationships within those networks differ from one another, this casual acquaintance neither flattened out to be equal with that intimate friendship nor one set in hierarchical preference over another, except in the thick description of this or that &#8220;cluster&#8221; moment.  (I&#8217;ll write a bit more about clusters, one of my favorite parts of the book, later.)</p>
<p>The bad news here is that Friesen falls to the temptation so common to these sorts of books, namely to divide the course of Western history into three segments called pre-modern, modern, and postmodern, and as with most such attempts to chop history into chunks defined by the current power structures, it lacks nuance.  The good news is that he does provide a selection of excerpts from thinkers as diverse as George Bernard Shaw, John Muir, Martin Luther King, Jr., Barack Obama, and the Dalai Lama, each of which highlights the interconnectedness of reality and the sense in which no thing in itself means anything exclusively in itself.  (As someone who studies and teaches 17th-century literature I was quite disappointed that John Donne&#8217;s &#8220;Meditation XVII&#8221; did not feature in the list, but I don&#8217;t expect seminary professors outside of the church history department to pay too much mind to folks before Hegel.)  Moreover, he provides a nice argument against reductionist anti-Institutionalism, comparing it to Gnosticism&#8217;s nay-saying to embodied community (106).</p>
<p>Beyond those good things, Friesen also holds his own importance lightly, making fun of himself and his neologisims at one point and throughout the book insisting that whatever importance he holds is because of, yes, the good people with whom he&#8217;s connected over his years.  He relates this conception of his place in the world as he explicates what he calls &#8220;the parable of Google&#8221; (83), a vision of authority within the Church that is &#8220;revealed, not held&#8221; (115), a conception that makes me worry, but I&#8217;ll get to that later.</p>
<p><strong>Christ-Commons and Christ-Cluster</strong></p>
<p>By far the most interesting set of ideas in the book (they&#8217;re interconnected, dig?) are what Friesen calls Christ-Commons and Christ-Cluster, and I do think that this constellation of relationships is as fine a way as I&#8217;ve seen to cut some of the Gordian knots that arise when folks like me (a Deacon in a relatively conservative Christian Churches congregation) and folks like many of my friends (who are parts of various Emergent cohorts, house churches, and other &#8220;EC&#8221; aggregations) run into when we talk ecclesiolgy.  Rather than imagining such things as opposing entities of similar kind, Friesen locates them relative to each other as parts of a larger body of experience.</p>
<p>Christ-Commons refers to sustained traditions in Friesen&#8217;s picture of things.  A venerable institution like the Catholic Church, an intellectual movement like Realism (in the medieval sense) or Calvinism, an Emergent cohort, and an evangelical megachurch&#8217;s small group all stand as Christ-Commons, relatively stable groups of connections that exist to serve a larger end but nonetheless exert some energy to sustain themselves.  Friesen points to the genuine human goods like stability, responsibility, and patience that come from belonging to such while noting that they&#8217;re not the sum total of human experience, much less the Christian experience.</p>
<p>Christ-Clusters, on the other hand, are momentary happenings, things like the ad hoc outpourings of support that happen in the face of disaster and the seemingly spontaneous collaborations that often arise when online acquaintances put their heads together and launch into grand conversations about this or that topic.  Friesen notes that much of what Paul writes about the movement of the Spirit in the letters to the Corinthians fits this pattern better than it does the more fixed organizations that he calls Christ-Commons, and he notes that Christ-Commons are helpful to facilitating Christ-Clusters precisely insofar as they encourage strong, intimate connections and less involved acquaintance among people with a common cause.  The ad hoc character of a cluster, in other words, can derive great strength from prior and intentional communities that arise from the commons.</p>
<p>What causes frustration and sometimes even enmity, Friesen suggests, is that when some folks try to perpetuate those momentary and Spirit-initiated Christ-Cluster moments, they either remain blind to or become resentful of the fact that any network node that persists is going to become a Commons, losing the character of the Cluster when the moment that calls the Cluster into being has passed.  In the case of blindness, the frustration comes from an anti-institutionalism simultaneous with the inevitable solidification of institution, and in the case of resentment, it&#8217;s likely to result in posts decrying &#8220;the death of Emergent&#8221; every three months or so.</p>
<p>Perhaps this relationship was more than obvious to everyone except for me, but since I took this book on, I&#8217;ve been thinking differently about relationships between the decline of mainline Protestantism, the rise and self-doubt that I&#8217;ve seen in Emergent, the pains that I&#8217;ve seen firsthand as evangelical congregations don&#8217;t keep up with the megachurch Joneses, and an array of other phenomena.</p>
<p><strong>Friesen Exacerbates My Hangups with Trinity and Church</strong></p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t know whether to attribute my first worry to my own theological timidity or to genuine problems with the book, but I&#8217;m almost certain that the second problem follows from the first.</p>
<p>As I noted in a post last week about the way that I do theology as someone who does more preaching than theological-book-publishing, I tend to make divine revelation the starting point for theological reflection, and more often than not, the form and content of that revelation is enough to fill the time generally designated for a homily, so I generally don&#8217;t go much farther.  I certainly confess the Trinity, but I&#8217;ve studied just enough Church history that I suspect that any possible articulation of the nature of the Trinity beyond &#8220;Trinity?  Yep.&#8221; is at least somewhat likely to fall into some council&#8217;s or theologian&#8217;s catalogue of heresies.  Please understand that I don&#8217;t begrudge anyone else&#8217;s attempts to articulate the real nature of the ontological Trinity; I&#8217;d just prefer to stay safely on the economic side.</p>
<p>With that disposition in place, readers can certainly understand my unease when Friesen, establishing good reasons for using network theory in theology, refers to the Spirit as &#8220;the <em>perichoretic</em> relationship of the Father and the Son&#8221; (57, italics original).  The implication with which Friesen wants to run is that &#8220;<em>We</em> is not simply a statement of relationship but actually suggests our relationships themselves are living beings reflective of the Triune God&#8221; (57-58).  Friesen is duly careful not to elevate the status of human relationships to ontological equality with a Person of the Trinity, but the move still troubles me for a couple reasons.  For one, there&#8217;s the third-man question that plagues Plato: if the Spirit is the relationship between the Father and the Son, then what or whom is Jesus promising to send exactly in the gospel of John, and what would be the name for the relationship between the Son and the relationship-between-the-Father-and-the-Son?  And once we named that, would there be another name for the relationship between the Son and the relationship-between-the-Son-and-the-relationship-between-the-Father-and-the-Son?  Certainly I don&#8217;t need to go farther than that: even if the assertion is compelling aesthetically, it makes no sense philosophically.  My second hangup is that I&#8217;ve had people who actually do Trinitarian theology insist that the diminution of any Person of the Trinity from full Personhood is a bad thing, and although I&#8217;m not exactly sure what Personhood is, this move seems to diminish it.</p>
<p>All that said, remember that this criticism is from the cowardly lion who runs from his own tail when faced with the task of talking intelligently about the Trinity.</p>
<p>The implications of this picture of Trinity, of course, have directly to do with ecclesiology.  If the Person of the Trinity is a relationship between prior personalities, it only makes sense for the authority granted by that Person to arise not from that person&#8217;s mysterious choosing of this person to heal and that one to speak in the tongues of angels and a third to exercise the office of teaching; on the contrary, as I noted before, in Friesen&#8217;s vision of the life of the Church, &#8220;Authority is revealed, not held&#8221; (115).  I recognize that such a vision of the work of the Spirit is not <em>prima facie </em>incompatible with the text of Paul, but it would, I imagine, make certain sustained activities like oversight (what <em>episkopoi</em> do) or shepherding (what <em>presbyteroi</em> do) or teaching (what <em>didaskoloi</em> do) rather difficult.  In Friesen&#8217;s vision, like others I&#8217;ve seen, the relatively chaotic gifting of the gospel of John and the letters to the Corinthians seem to take pride of place from the more orderly systems of the letters to Timothy and Titus.  I&#8217;m not saying that I&#8217;ve ever seen an ecclesiology that balances those two in a way that compels everybody, but it is a concern that concerns me.</p>
<p>One more bit of philosophical trouble I had with the book has to do with its use of the words order and chaos.  Friesen admits that he borrows his usage not from philosophical but from corporate-managerial vocabularies, but it still troubles me that he wrote a sentence (fragment) like &#8220;A time for chaos and a time for order&#8221; (96).  If there is a time proper to one thing and a time proper to another thing, then it&#8217;s not chaos.  I realize that this is a quibble, that a simple change from &#8220;order and chaos&#8221; to &#8220;conservation and innovation&#8221; or even &#8220;tradition and the individual talent&#8221; would easily enough make his point read more valid, but I figured I should note this and say as a larger point that part of Friesen&#8217;s charm, that he shifts so effortlessly from one vocabulary to another, is also a source of some fuzziness.  For readers alright with a bit of fuzziness, that should not be too much of a problem.</p>
<p><strong>Worth a Look</strong></p>
<p>Overall, although at the end of the day I&#8217;m still uncomfortable with its vision of the Trinity and the resulting ecclesiology that flows from it, I think that <em>Thy Kingdom Connected</em> stands as a worthwhile book for contemplating in new terms some of the questions that have really troubled the Church in my own generation, and as with most books, I think that someone doing a different sort of Trinitarian theology (in other words, someone skirting another set of heresies) could easily enough adapt that understanding to Friesen&#8217;s philosophical and sociological insights.  This is a book worth a look for a goodly range of readers, and I&#8217;m glad that Mike Morell sent it my way.</p>
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		<description>Thy Kingdom Connected makes a case for the church in a world where Facebook has replaced the primary commons for people to connect. 

Studies everywhere are bemoaning Generation Y's unprecedented exodus from not just the church, but of Christianity.  They posit that kids these days are just fed up with the church's hypocrisy, its close-mindedness, boring worship events, and the like.  The truth is - that the church has been like that for generations!  That may be their explicit reason for leaving church, but if church has always been just as mind-numbing, why is it that this generation in particular is dropping like flies?

With this question in mind, consider the unprecedented use of smart phones, Web 2.0 technology and social media.  Think about it - the very thing that people "went to church" for in past generations now is at your finger tips!  Facebook is "My Kingdom, Connected."  My photos, my status, my events, my "friends..."

And yet Dwight J. Friesen prepares us with new metaphors and language to connect us to a different kind of Kingdom.  He plays in other fields of study, from biology, physics, mechanic, ecology...even knitting...and teases out rumors of God's networked-Kingdom.  

Missiologists and church planters could use new vocabulary to describe the fresh vision of God's people in today's world - and while Friesen's language at times leaves you wondering if "there was a single English word in that last sentence..." he seems to invite his readers to explore a new landscape of metaphor and paradigm for living as a networked ecology of Christ.  

I am an organic church advocate and practitioner, helping facilitate a network of faith communities meeting in homes, coffee shops, and other places life happens... I found great encouragement in Thy Kingdom Connected and found myself setting aside some of the metaphors and descriptors as a means of under-girding our theology and ecclesiology here in Chicago.  

So often in theology and in church planting we pick apart models, theories, Scriptures, and just about everything else...leaving the issue just about as lifeless as a dissected frog in biology class.  But Friesen takes a page from the "Science of Life" - asking the question, "What would it take to develop a theological vision that enhances life?"  At the core of life-centered theology is one that cultivates life, rather than picks it apart - seeing theology and ecclesiology as inherently relational and therefore, not approachable as an "it" -- as would have been done in the typical modern worldview -- but as a "we" - and a dynamic, open-ended "we" at that.  We are in the petri dish, we are in the linked network we are ourselves exploring.  

In Friesen's understanding of leadership, we are to engage our community the way Google engages its users.  No one goes to Google for its own sake - it is a springboard to resources and information.  Leaders too are a linking catalyst...a hub to the resources to the very best that God has to offer.  This is more than having a big library - this is cultivating a culture (ecology) of a organic, spiritual system, fully connected as an "all-channel network" -- meaning giving not only your resources but pointing to each other as resources to access for strengthening the links of a church network.  This is the nature of leadership - influencing the people-system for catalytic transformation.  

I disagreed with Friesen's approach (not his content) regarding the Christ-Commons and Christ-Clusters.  He seemed to say that Christ-Commons were regularly scheduled events whereas Clusters were serendipitous fly-by-night collections of Christians.  I agree that there are both kinds of "groups" in the Church - The folks walking to Emmaus on Easter may be to him what is known as a "Christ-Cluster" - which is fine - but to call that "the soul of the church" is a little much if you ask me.  Spontaneous engagements with community and the Spirit is simply a natural overflow of family life together - which can happen in a regularly scheduled program or in a weekend retreat.  People grow from both "quality and quantity" time together and with the Spirit.

Our network in Christ extends beyond our little crew that meets in my living room - it is more than our network of organic churches in Chicago.  It is broader than the global church in our day, and reaches further back than Pentecost and beyond the 2nd Coming of Christ.  It is the Church Universal - it is the Bride to Be.  Entangled in the Network of God, who was, is, and is to come.  Thy, not My, Kingdom Connected!

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<p>Studies everywhere are bemoaning Generation Y&#8217;s unprecedented exodus from not just the church, but of Christianity.  They posit that kids these days are just fed up with the church&#8217;s hypocrisy, its close-mindedness, boring worship events, and the like.  The truth is &#8211; that the church has been like that for generations!  That may be their explicit reason for leaving church, but if church has always been just as mind-numbing, why is it that this generation in particular is dropping like flies?</p>
<p>With this question in mind, consider the unprecedented use of smart phones, Web 2.0 technology and social media.  Think about it &#8211; the very thing that people &#8220;went to church&#8221; for in past generations now is at your finger tips!  Facebook is &#8220;My Kingdom, Connected.&#8221;  My photos, my status, my events, my &#8220;friends&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>And yet Dwight J. Friesen prepares us with new metaphors and language to connect us to a different kind of Kingdom.  He plays in other fields of study, from biology, physics, mechanic, ecology&#8230;even knitting&#8230;and teases out rumors of God&#8217;s networked-Kingdom.  </p>
<p>Missiologists and church planters could use new vocabulary to describe the fresh vision of God&#8217;s people in today&#8217;s world &#8211; and while Friesen&#8217;s language at times leaves you wondering if &#8220;there was a single English word in that last sentence&#8230;&#8221; he seems to invite his readers to explore a new landscape of metaphor and paradigm for living as a networked ecology of Christ.  </p>
<p>I am an organic church advocate and practitioner, helping facilitate a network of faith communities meeting in homes, coffee shops, and other places life happens&#8230; I found great encouragement in Thy Kingdom Connected and found myself setting aside some of the metaphors and descriptors as a means of under-girding our theology and ecclesiology here in Chicago.  </p>
<p>So often in theology and in church planting we pick apart models, theories, Scriptures, and just about everything else&#8230;leaving the issue just about as lifeless as a dissected frog in biology class.  But Friesen takes a page from the &#8220;Science of Life&#8221; &#8211; asking the question, &#8220;What would it take to develop a theological vision that enhances life?&#8221;  At the core of life-centered theology is one that cultivates life, rather than picks it apart &#8211; seeing theology and ecclesiology as inherently relational and therefore, not approachable as an &#8220;it&#8221; &#8212; as would have been done in the typical modern worldview &#8212; but as a &#8220;we&#8221; &#8211; and a dynamic, open-ended &#8220;we&#8221; at that.  We are in the petri dish, we are in the linked network we are ourselves exploring.  </p>
<p>In Friesen&#8217;s understanding of leadership, we are to engage our community the way Google engages its users.  No one goes to Google for its own sake &#8211; it is a springboard to resources and information.  Leaders too are a linking catalyst&#8230;a hub to the resources to the very best that God has to offer.  This is more than having a big library &#8211; this is cultivating a culture (ecology) of a organic, spiritual system, fully connected as an &#8220;all-channel network&#8221; &#8212; meaning giving not only your resources but pointing to each other as resources to access for strengthening the links of a church network.  This is the nature of leadership &#8211; influencing the people-system for catalytic transformation.  </p>
<p>I disagreed with Friesen&#8217;s approach (not his content) regarding the Christ-Commons and Christ-Clusters.  He seemed to say that Christ-Commons were regularly scheduled events whereas Clusters were serendipitous fly-by-night collections of Christians.  I agree that there are both kinds of &#8220;groups&#8221; in the Church &#8211; The folks walking to Emmaus on Easter may be to him what is known as a &#8220;Christ-Cluster&#8221; &#8211; which is fine &#8211; but to call that &#8220;the soul of the church&#8221; is a little much if you ask me.  Spontaneous engagements with community and the Spirit is simply a natural overflow of family life together &#8211; which can happen in a regularly scheduled program or in a weekend retreat.  People grow from both &#8220;quality and quantity&#8221; time together and with the Spirit.</p>
<p>Our network in Christ extends beyond our little crew that meets in my living room &#8211; it is more than our network of organic churches in Chicago.  It is broader than the global church in our day, and reaches further back than Pentecost and beyond the 2nd Coming of Christ.  It is the Church Universal &#8211; it is the Bride to Be.  Entangled in the Network of God, who was, is, and is to come.  Thy, not My, Kingdom Connected!</p>
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		<description>I have to be very honest. I've made it through 50 pages of this book in 2 hours. Normally I would have finished it in that time. In that 2 hours I've fallen asleep 3 different times. Normally I'm a fan of Brian's writing style, but I felt this book so far has been very lacking. I don't even want to finish it. The truth is this. I have a love/hate relationship with Brian's writing. I normally don't agree with much of what he has to say. (The same is true so far in this book). I hate that. The thing that I love is that he make me question and stretch myself in ways I normally wouldn't on my own. I also have to say that Brian's innocent tone in the early chapters saying things like "I don't know how I became the center of such controversy." make me laugh quite a bit. How can he not understand how he became the center of controversy. When you write about and speak about things against the cultural or traditional norm, when you speak of change, then people get up in arms. Drop the innocent act Brian and swallow what you've cooked for yourself. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to be very honest. I&#8217;ve made it through 50 pages of this book in 2 hours. Normally I would have finished it in that time. In that 2 hours I&#8217;ve fallen asleep 3 different times. Normally I&#8217;m a fan of Brian&#8217;s writing style, but I felt this book so far has been very lacking. I don&#8217;t even want to finish it. The truth is this. I have a love/hate relationship with Brian&#8217;s writing. I normally don&#8217;t agree with much of what he has to say. (The same is true so far in this book). I hate that. The thing that I love is that he make me question and stretch myself in ways I normally wouldn&#8217;t on my own. I also have to say that Brian&#8217;s innocent tone in the early chapters saying things like &#8220;I don&#8217;t know how I became the center of such controversy.&#8221; make me laugh quite a bit. How can he not understand how he became the center of controversy. When you write about and speak about things against the cultural or traditional norm, when you speak of change, then people get up in arms. Drop the innocent act Brian and swallow what you&#8217;ve cooked for yourself. </p>
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		<description>I can get this one read and reviewed.</description>
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		<description>I'd like a copy</description>
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		<description>Count me in.</description>
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		<description>Though I'm quite sure he would deny that anyone owed him anything, I owe Brian McLaren a debt of gratitude. Over the years, Brian's writing has breathed fresh life and vitality into my faith. To say that I was excited when Viral Bloggers offered an opportunity to review his newest book would be an understatement along the lines of claiming that Bono is kind of interested in social justice, or that Glenn Beck exaggerates a little.

Reviewing the Reviews

As I was finishing the book, I watched as reviews began to pop-up on the internet. The less-than-surprising news is that hard-core Calvinists (including the "New-Calvinists") hate it with a white-hot hatred they normally reserve for child abusers and made-for-TV movies on the Lifetime Network. Reading their reviews, you would think that Brian had done something to them personally, or had betrayed them in some sense (which is weird, sense they haven't liked most of his books). I was disappointed to pick up on this vibe even in a review by Michael Wittmer, whom I had generally considered to be one of the more level-headed thinkers from that perspective. Scot McKnight, whom I have a great deal of respect for, and who is not really thought of as a Calvinist, wrote a review for Christianity Today that, while much kinder and respectful in tone, claimed that Brian wasn't really saying anything new, but was simply re-packaging the Classical Liberalism that was typical of German Theology before the 2nd World War as typified in Adof Von Harnack. This struck me as odd, because Brian clearly intends to transcend such polarized categories (not merely repackage one category in a fresh way as "the right one), and the point at which Brian's thought draws this criticism from McKnight, is actually closer to the much more contemporary (and 3rd-way) thinking found in the work of Peter Enns.

Most of the critics' objections essentially stem from concerns about orthodoxy. Maybe it's because I'm from a non-creedal tradition, but I've never quite resonated with the orthodoxy/heresy argument. (I realize I may have just painted a target on myself...but that kind of illustrates my point, doesn't it). For starters, an enormous amount of what has historically been defined as "heresy" was so classified by people who were publicly executing people they disagreed with, in the name of the crucified Christ! I'm fairly sure that misses the point of the Gospel to a much greater degree than having different ideas about whether God and Jesus are made out of the same substance. Secondly, when certain subjects are off-limits for questions, it looks like we're not actually interested in "truth", but rather merely maintaining the status quo. Additionally, for large portions of church history, the "orthodox positions" were precisely wrong (Slavery, women's rights, etc.) I could go on and on...but I won't.

The Actual Book

A New Kind of Christianity, is the book that many of us have been wanting McLaren to write for years. Ever since he sparked our imaginations with the fictional conversations between Dan Poole and Neil Edward Oliver in A New Kind of Christian, we've been dying to see those ideas teased out in non-fiction. He structures the book around 10 crucial questions, identifying the first 5 as theological in nature, and the remaining 5 as practical.

       1. The Narrative Question: What Is the Overarching Storyline of the Bible?
       2. The Authority Question: How Should the Bible Be Understood?
       3. The God Question: Is God Violent?
       4. The Jesus Question: Who is Jesus and Why is He Important?
       5. The Gospel Question: What Is the Gospel?
       6. The Church Question: What Do We Do About the Church?
       7. The Sex Question: Can We Find a Way to Address Sexuality Without Fighting About It?
       8. The Future Question: Can We Find a Better Way of View the Future?
       9. The Pluralism Question: How Should Followers of Jesus Relate to People of Other Religions?
      10. The What Do We Do Now Question: How Can We Translate Our Quest into Action?

McLaren's approach isn't coercive. He explains that he isn't attempting to answer these questions definitively but rather is responding to them and inviting us, as readers and willing participants into the conversation. He is seeking to get conversation out of the polarized deadlock that it is so often bogged down in, because of the bounded categories (liberal, conservative, etc.) imposed in modernity that serve to insure no real conversation can ever take place (which reminds me of the state of another country's political system...but I digress).

What Brian offers here, in my opinion, is a beautiful way forward. Is it perfect? No, and he doesn't claim that it is. Will his responses satisfy everyone? Ummm...I've never read any book that did that. Actually, I think it's to his credit that he doesn't pander to any particular category's concept of "orthodoxy". Does it transcend unhelpful categories and spark hopeful conversation that could point the way forward? It does (in my opinion)...if you have ears to hear, and eyes to see.

http://adamellis.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I&#8217;m quite sure he would deny that anyone owed him anything, I owe Brian McLaren a debt of gratitude. Over the years, Brian&#8217;s writing has breathed fresh life and vitality into my faith. To say that I was excited when Viral Bloggers offered an opportunity to review his newest book would be an understatement along the lines of claiming that Bono is kind of interested in social justice, or that Glenn Beck exaggerates a little.</p>
<p>Reviewing the Reviews</p>
<p>As I was finishing the book, I watched as reviews began to pop-up on the internet. The less-than-surprising news is that hard-core Calvinists (including the &#8220;New-Calvinists&#8221;) hate it with a white-hot hatred they normally reserve for child abusers and made-for-TV movies on the Lifetime Network. Reading their reviews, you would think that Brian had done something to them personally, or had betrayed them in some sense (which is weird, sense they haven&#8217;t liked most of his books). I was disappointed to pick up on this vibe even in a review by Michael Wittmer, whom I had generally considered to be one of the more level-headed thinkers from that perspective. Scot McKnight, whom I have a great deal of respect for, and who is not really thought of as a Calvinist, wrote a review for Christianity Today that, while much kinder and respectful in tone, claimed that Brian wasn&#8217;t really saying anything new, but was simply re-packaging the Classical Liberalism that was typical of German Theology before the 2nd World War as typified in Adof Von Harnack. This struck me as odd, because Brian clearly intends to transcend such polarized categories (not merely repackage one category in a fresh way as &#8220;the right one), and the point at which Brian&#8217;s thought draws this criticism from McKnight, is actually closer to the much more contemporary (and 3rd-way) thinking found in the work of Peter Enns.</p>
<p>Most of the critics&#8217; objections essentially stem from concerns about orthodoxy. Maybe it&#8217;s because I&#8217;m from a non-creedal tradition, but I&#8217;ve never quite resonated with the orthodoxy/heresy argument. (I realize I may have just painted a target on myself&#8230;but that kind of illustrates my point, doesn&#8217;t it). For starters, an enormous amount of what has historically been defined as &#8220;heresy&#8221; was so classified by people who were publicly executing people they disagreed with, in the name of the crucified Christ! I&#8217;m fairly sure that misses the point of the Gospel to a much greater degree than having different ideas about whether God and Jesus are made out of the same substance. Secondly, when certain subjects are off-limits for questions, it looks like we&#8217;re not actually interested in &#8220;truth&#8221;, but rather merely maintaining the status quo. Additionally, for large portions of church history, the &#8220;orthodox positions&#8221; were precisely wrong (Slavery, women&#8217;s rights, etc.) I could go on and on&#8230;but I won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The Actual Book</p>
<p>A New Kind of Christianity, is the book that many of us have been wanting McLaren to write for years. Ever since he sparked our imaginations with the fictional conversations between Dan Poole and Neil Edward Oliver in A New Kind of Christian, we&#8217;ve been dying to see those ideas teased out in non-fiction. He structures the book around 10 crucial questions, identifying the first 5 as theological in nature, and the remaining 5 as practical.</p>
<p>       1. The Narrative Question: What Is the Overarching Storyline of the Bible?<br />
       2. The Authority Question: How Should the Bible Be Understood?<br />
       3. The God Question: Is God Violent?<br />
       4. The Jesus Question: Who is Jesus and Why is He Important?<br />
       5. The Gospel Question: What Is the Gospel?<br />
       6. The Church Question: What Do We Do About the Church?<br />
       7. The Sex Question: Can We Find a Way to Address Sexuality Without Fighting About It?<br />
       8. The Future Question: Can We Find a Better Way of View the Future?<br />
       9. The Pluralism Question: How Should Followers of Jesus Relate to People of Other Religions?<br />
      10. The What Do We Do Now Question: How Can We Translate Our Quest into Action?</p>
<p>McLaren&#8217;s approach isn&#8217;t coercive. He explains that he isn&#8217;t attempting to answer these questions definitively but rather is responding to them and inviting us, as readers and willing participants into the conversation. He is seeking to get conversation out of the polarized deadlock that it is so often bogged down in, because of the bounded categories (liberal, conservative, etc.) imposed in modernity that serve to insure no real conversation can ever take place (which reminds me of the state of another country&#8217;s political system&#8230;but I digress).</p>
<p>What Brian offers here, in my opinion, is a beautiful way forward. Is it perfect? No, and he doesn&#8217;t claim that it is. Will his responses satisfy everyone? Ummm&#8230;I&#8217;ve never read any book that did that. Actually, I think it&#8217;s to his credit that he doesn&#8217;t pander to any particular category&#8217;s concept of &#8220;orthodoxy&#8221;. Does it transcend unhelpful categories and spark hopeful conversation that could point the way forward? It does (in my opinion)&#8230;if you have ears to hear, and eyes to see.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have any copies left, I would love a copy and can have it read and reviewed in 2 weeks time.  Thanks.
Ryan Braught</description>
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Ryan Braught</p>
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		<description>I'd also like a copy.</description>
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		<description>I'm guessing this is gone? If not, I'd love a copy.</description>
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		<description>Count me in if there are still copies available.
Tara</description>
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Tara</p>
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		<description>I would like to review this as well.</description>
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