<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:blogger='http://schemas.google.com/blogger/2008' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005" xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2445131553561114511</id><updated>2024-08-27T22:41:21.667-07:00</updated><category term="Milesian School"/><category term="Milesians"/><category term="Pre-Socratics"/><category term="Thales"/><category term="philosophy"/><category term="Anaximenes"/><category term="biography"/><category term="history"/><category term="metaphysics"/><category term="philosopher"/><category term="Anaximander"/><category term="Aristotle"/><category term="cosmology"/><category term="Heraclitus"/><category term="Hermann Diels"/><category term="apeiron"/><category term="arche"/><category term="astronomy"/><category term="geometry"/><title type='text'>The Pre-Socratics</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://presocratics.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2445131553561114511/posts/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://presocratics.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>5</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2445131553561114511.post-3096193577041712482</id><published>2007-02-20T07:19:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-02-20T07:32:36.832-08:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Anaximander"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Anaximenes"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Aristotle"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="biography"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="history"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="metaphysics"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Milesian School"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Milesians"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="philosopher"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="philosophy"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Pre-Socratics"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Thales"/><title type='text'>Thales of Miletus, Part 3 of 3</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;&lt;center&gt;Interpretations&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the long sojourn of philosophy on the earth there has existed hardly a philosopher or historian of philosophy who did not mention &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; and try to characterize him in some way. He is generally recognized as having brought something new to human thought. Mathematics, astronomy and medicine already existed. &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; added something to these different collections of knowledge to produce a universality, which, as far as writing tells us, was not in tradition before, but resulted in a new field, science.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ever since, interested persons have been asking what that new something is. Answers fall into (at least) two categories, the theory and the method. Once an answer has been arrived at, the next logical step is to ask how &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; compares to other philosophers, which leads to his classification (rightly or wrongly).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;center&gt;Theory&lt;/center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The most natural epithets of &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; are &quot;materialist&quot; and &quot;naturalist&quot;, which are based on ousia and physis. The &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/index.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Catholic Encyclopedia&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; goes so far as to call him a physiologist, a person who studied physis, despite the fact that we already have physiologists. On the other hand, he would have qualified as an early physicist, as did &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Aristotle&lt;/span&gt;. They studied corpora, &quot;bodies&quot;, the medieval descendants of substances.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most agree that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;&#39; stamp on thought is the unity of substance, hence &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Bertrand Russell&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    &quot;The view that all matter is one is quite a reputable scientific hypothesis.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;    &quot;...But it is still a handsome feat to have discovered that a substance remains the same in different states of aggregation.&quot; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Russell was only reflecting an established tradition; for example, &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Nietzsche&lt;/span&gt;, in his &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;Philosophy in the Tragic Age of the Greeks&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;, wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Greek philosophy seems to begin with an absurd notion, with the proposition that water is the primal origin and the womb of all things. Is it really necessary for us to take serious notice of this proposition? It is, and for three reasons. First, because it tells us something about the primal origin of all things; second, because it does so in language devoid of image or fable, and finally, because contained in it, if only embryonically, is the thought, &#39;all things are one.&#39;&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This sort of materialism, however, should not be confused with deterministic materialism. &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; was only trying to explain the unity observed in the free play of the qualities. The arrival of uncertainty in the modern world made possible a return to &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;; for example, John Elof Boodin writes (&quot;God and Creation&quot;):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&quot;We cannot read the universe from the past...&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Boodin defines an &quot;emergent&quot; materialism, in which the objects of sense emerge uncertainly from the substrate. Thales is the innovator of this sort of materialism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;center&gt;Method&lt;/center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; represents something new in method as well. &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Edmund Husserl&lt;/span&gt; attempts to capture it as follows. Philosophical man is a new cultural configuration based on a rejection of tradition in favor of an inquiry into what is true in itself; that is, an ideal of truth. It begins with isolated individuals such as &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;, but they are supported and cooperated with as time goes on. Finally the ideal transforms the norms of society, leaping across national borders.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;center&gt;Classification&lt;/center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The term, &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Pre-Socratic&lt;/span&gt;, derives ultimately from &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Aristotle&lt;/span&gt;, a qualified philosopher (&quot;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;the father of philosophy&lt;/span&gt;&quot;), who distinguished the early philosophers as concerning themselves with substance. This is not entirely true.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Diogenes Laertius&lt;/span&gt; on the other hand took a strictly geographic and ethnic approach. Philosophers were either Ionian or Italian. He used Ionian in a broader sense, including also the Athenian academics, who were not &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Pre-Socratics&lt;/span&gt;. From a philosophic point of view, any grouping at all would have been just as effective. There is no basis for an Ionian or Italian unity. Some scholars, however, concede to Diogenes&#39; scheme as far as referring to an &quot;Ionian&quot; school. There was no such school in any sense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The most popular approach refers to a &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Milesian school&lt;/span&gt;, which is more justifiable socially and philosophically. They sought for the substance of phenomena and may have studied with each other. Some ancient writers qualify them as Milesioi, &quot;of Miletus.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;&lt;center&gt;Influence on others&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; had a profound influence on other Greek thinkers and therefore on Western history. Some believe &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Anaximander&lt;/span&gt; was a pupil of &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;. Early sources report that one of &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Anaximander&lt;/span&gt;&#39;s more famous pupils, &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Pythagoras&lt;/span&gt;, visited &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; as a young man, and that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; advised him to travel to Egypt to further his philosophical and mathematical studies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many philosophers followed &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;&#39; lead in searching for explanations in nature rather than in the supernatural; others returned to supernatural explanations, but couched them in the language of philosophy rather than of myth or of religion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When you specifically look at the influence &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; had in the pre-Socrates era, he was one of the first thinkers who thought more in the way of logos than mythos. The difference between these two more profound ways of seeing the world is that mythos is concentrated around the stories of holy origin, while logos is concentrated around the argumentation. When the mythical man wants to explain the world the way he sees it, he explains it based on gods and powers. Mythical thought does not differentiate between things and persons and furthermore it does not differentiate between nature and culture. The way a logos thinker would present a world view is radically different from the way of the mythical thinker. In its concrete form, logos is a way of thinking not only about individualism, but also the abstract. Furthermore, it focuses on sensible and continuous argumentation. This lays the foundation of philosophy and its way of explaining the world in terms of abstract argumentation, and not in the way of gods and mythical stories.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;&lt;center&gt;Sources&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our sources on the &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Milesian philosophers&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;, &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Anaximander&lt;/span&gt;, and &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Anaximenes&lt;/span&gt;) were either roughly contemporaneous (such as &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Herodotus&lt;/span&gt;) or lived within a few hundred years of his passing. Moreover, they were writing from a tradition that was well-known. Compared to most persons, places and things of classical antiquity, we know a great deal about &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;. Most modern dissension comes from trying to interpret what we know.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Diogenes Laertius&lt;/span&gt; lists two works written by &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;, and also relates the strange tradition that he did not write. &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Diogenes&lt;/span&gt;, however, had access to two of &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;&#39; letters, which he quotes. Those writings are two more than the surviving works of &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Socrates&lt;/span&gt;, which are none. And yet, thanks to &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Plato&lt;/span&gt;, we know as much about &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Socrates&lt;/span&gt; as anyone. More than likely, the non-writing tradition about &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; is a complaint that such a famous man did not leave enough to be quoted by the secondary sources.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The main secondary source concerning the details of &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;&#39; life and career is &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Diogenes Laertius&lt;/span&gt; (DL here), &quot;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;Lives of Eminent Philosophers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&quot;. This is primarily a biographical work, as the name indicates. Compared to &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Aristotle&lt;/span&gt;, DL is not much of a philosopher. He is the one who, in the &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;Prologue&lt;/span&gt; to that work, is responsible for the division of the early philosophers into &quot;Ionian&quot; and &quot;Italian&quot;, but he places the &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Academics&lt;/span&gt; in the &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Ionian school&lt;/span&gt; and otherwise evidences considerable disarray and contradiction, especially in the long section on forerunners of the &quot;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Ionian School&lt;/span&gt;.&quot; DL does give us the extant primary sources on &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; (the two letters and some verses).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most philosophic analyses of the philosophy of &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; come from &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Aristotle&lt;/span&gt;, an &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Academic&lt;/span&gt; and a professional philosopher, tutor of &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Alexander the Great&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Aristotle&lt;/span&gt; may or may not have had access to the now mysterious possible works of &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;. There was also an extensive oral tradition. Both the oral and the written were commonly read or known by all educated men in the region.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Academic philosophy&lt;/span&gt; had a distinct stamp: it professed the theory of matter and form, which modern scholastics have dubbed &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;hylomorphism&lt;/span&gt;. Though once very widespread, it was not generally adopted by rationalist and modern science, as it mainly is useful in metaphysical analyses, but does not lend itself to the detail that is of interest to modern science. It is not clear that the theory of matter and form existed as early as &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;, and if it did, whether &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; espoused it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr width=&quot;55%&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This article is licensed under the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;GNU Free Documentation License&lt;/a&gt;. 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Phenomena such as lightning or earthquakes were attributed to actions of the gods.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;center&gt;Nature as the principles in the form of matter&lt;/center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In contrast to these mythological explanations, &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; attempted to find naturalistic explanations of the world, without reference to the supernatural. He explained earthquakes by hypothesizing that the Earth floats on water, and that earthquakes occur when the Earth is rocked by waves. More specifically, a supernatural point of view presupposes the existence of passive, inanimate objects that are animated and made to do what they do by divine powers external to them. Fire, for example, is not naturally hot, but is moved to hotness by the daemon of fire.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;, according to &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Aristotle&lt;/span&gt;, asked what was the nature (Greek physis, Latin natura) of the object so that it would behave in its characteristic way. &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;Physis&lt;/span&gt; (öýóéò) comes from phuein (öýåéí), &quot;to grow&quot;, related to our word &quot;be&quot;. &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;(G)natura&lt;/span&gt; is the way a thing is &quot;born&quot;, again with the stamp of what it is in itself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Aristotle&lt;/span&gt; characterizes most of the philosophers &quot;at first&quot; (ðñ?ôïí) as thinking that the &quot;principles in the form of matter were the only principles of all things&quot;, where &quot;principle&quot; is arche, &quot;matter&quot; is hyle (&quot;wood&quot;) and &quot;form&quot; is eidos.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&quot;Principle&quot; translates arche, but the two words do not have precisely the same meaning. A principle of something is merely prior (related to pro-) to it either chronologically or logically. An arche (from áñ÷åéí, &quot;to rule&quot;) dominates an object in some way. If the arche is taken to be an origin, then specific causality is implied; that is, B is supposed to be characteristically B just because it comes from A, which dominates it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The archai that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Aristotle&lt;/span&gt; had in mind in his well-known passage on the first Greek scientists are not necessarily chronologically prior to their objects, but are constituents of it. For example, in pluralism objects are composed of earth, air, fire and water, but those elements do not disappear with the production of the object. They remain as archai within it, as do the atoms of the atomists.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Aristotle&lt;/span&gt; is really saying is that the first philosophers were trying to define the substance(s) of which all material objects are composed. As a matter of fact, that is exactly what modern scientists are trying to do in nuclear physics, which is a second reason why &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; is described as the first scientist.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;center&gt;Water as a first principle&lt;/center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;&#39; most famous belief was his cosmological doctrine, which held that the world originated from water. &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Aristotle&lt;/span&gt; considered this belief roughly equivalent to the later ideas of &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Anaximenes&lt;/span&gt;, who held that everything in the world was composed of air.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The best explanation of &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;&#39; view is the following passage from &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Aristotle&lt;/span&gt;&#39;s &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;Metaphysics&lt;/span&gt;. The passage contains words from the theory of matter and form that were adopted by science with quite different meanings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;That from which is everything that exists (?ðáíôá ô? ?íôá) and from which it first becomes (?î ï? ãßãíåôáé ðñ?ôïõ) and into which it is rendered at last (å?ò ? öèåßñåôáé ôåëåõôá?ïí), its substance remaining under it (ô?ò ì?í ï?óßáò ?ðïìåíïýóçò), but transforming in qualities (ôï?ò ä? ðÜèåóé ìåôáâáëëïýóçò), that they say is the element (óôïé÷å?ïí) and principle (?ñ÷Þí) of things that are.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And again:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;For it is necessary that there be some nature (öýóéò), either one or more than one, from which become the other things of the object being saved... Thales the founder of this type of philosophy says that it is water.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Aristotle&lt;/span&gt;&#39;s depiction of the change problem and the definition of substance is clear. If an object changes, is it the same or different? In either case how can there be a change from one to the other? The answer is that the substance &quot;is saved&quot;, but acquires or loses different qualities (ðÜèç, the things you &quot;experience&quot;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A deeper dip into the waters of the theory of matter and form is properly reserved to other articles. The question for this article is, how far does &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Aristotle&lt;/span&gt; reflect &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;? He was probably not far off, and &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; was probably an incipient matter-and-formist.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The essentially non-philosophic &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Diogenes Laertius&lt;/span&gt; states that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; taught as follows:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&quot;Water constituted (?ðåóôÞóáôï, &#39;stood under&#39;) the principle of all things.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Heraclitus Homericus states that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; drew his conclusion from seeing moist substance turn into air, slime and earth. It seems clear that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; viewed the Earth as solidifying from the water on which it floated and which surrounded Ocean.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;center&gt;Beliefs in divinity&lt;/center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; applied his method to objects that changed to become other objects, such as water into earth (he thought). But what about the changing itself? Thales did address the topic, approaching it through magnets and amber, which, when electrified by rubbing, attracts also. A concern for magnetism and electrification never left science, being a major part of it today.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How was the power to move other things without the mover’s changing to be explained? &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; saw a commonality with the powers of living things to act. The magnet and the amber must be alive, and if that were so, there could be no difference between the living and the dead. When asked why he didn’t die if there was no difference, he replied “because there is no difference.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Aristotle&lt;/span&gt; defined the soul as the principle of life, that which imbues the matter and makes it live, giving it the animation, or power to act. The idea did not originate with him, as the Greeks in general believed in the distinction between mind and matter, which was ultimately to lead to a distinction not only between body and soul but also between matter and energy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If things were alive, they must have souls. This belief was no innovation, as the ordinary ancient populations of the Mediterranean did believe that natural actions were caused by divinities. Accordingly, the sources say that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; believed all things possessed divinities. In their zeal to make him the first in everything they said he was the first to hold the belief, which even they must have known was not true.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; was looking for something more general, a universal substance of mind. That also was in the polytheism of the times. &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Zeus&lt;/span&gt; was the very personification of supreme mind, dominating all the subordinate manifestations. From &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; on, however, philosophers had a tendency to depersonify or objectify mind, as though it were the substance of animation per se and not actually a god like the other gods. The end result was a total removal of mind from substance, opening the door to a non-divine principle of action. This tradition persisted until &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Einstein&lt;/span&gt;, whose cosmology is quite a different one and does not distinguish between matter and energy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Classical thought, however, had proceeded only a little way along that path. Instead of referring to the person, Zeus, they talked about the great mind:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;&quot;, says &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Cicero&lt;/span&gt;, &quot;assures that water is the principle of all things; and that God is that Mind which shaped and created all things from water.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The universal mind appears as a Roman belief in &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Virgil&lt;/span&gt; as well:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    &lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;In the beginning, SPIRIT within (spiritus intus) strengthens Heaven and Earth,&lt;br /&gt;    The watery fields, and the lucid globe of Luna, and then --&lt;br /&gt;    Titan stars; and mind (mens) infused through the limbs&lt;br /&gt;    Agitates the whole mass, and mixes itself with GREAT MATTER (magno corpore)&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;center&gt;Geometry&lt;/center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; was known for his innovative use of geometry. His understanding was theoretical as well as practical. For example, he said:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    Megiston topos: hapanta gar chorei&lt;br /&gt;    ”Place is the greatest thing, as it contains all things” &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Topos is in Newtonian-style space, since the verb, chorei, has the connotation of yielding before things, or spreading out to make room for them, which is extension. Within this extension, things have a position. Points, lines, planes and solids related by distances and angles follow from this presumption.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some have argued that his geometry was simply a lucky happenstance resulting from empirical method worked out by the Babylonians or Egyptians and that he had no understanding of the basic principles involved. This overskeptical view neglects &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; own predilection for insight and also human nature. The mathematics of the times was not especially difficult or obscure and we have a convincing story from DL that when he had inscribed a right triangle in a circle he sacrificed an ox. According to Lonergan in his noted study called “Insight”, such behavior is a typical of insights, or sudden realizations of the truth. Better known is &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Archimedes&lt;/span&gt;’ shouting, eureka! (“I have found it!”) with reference to &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Archimedes’ Principle&lt;/span&gt;, into which he had just had an insight. Less dramatically, most of us just evidence the behavior associated with being startled.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; understood similar triangles and right triangles, and what is more, used that knowledge in practical ways. The story is told in DL (loc. cit.) that he measured the height of the pyramids by their shadows at the moment when his own shadow was equal to his height. A right triangle with two equal legs is a 45-degree right triangle, all of which are similar. The length of the pyramid’s shadow measured from the center of the pyramid at that moment must have been equal to its height.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This story reveals that he was familiar with the Egyptian seqt, or seked, defined by Problem 57 of the &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Rhind papyrus&lt;/span&gt; as the ratio of the run to the rise of a slope, which is currently the cotangent function of trigonometry. It characterizes the angle of rise.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our cotangents require the same units for run and rise, but the papyrus uses cubits for rise and palms for run, resulting in different (but still characteristic) numbers. Since there were 7 palms in a cubit, the seqt was 7 times the cotangent.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To use an example often quoted in modern reference works, suppose the base of a pyramid is 140 cubits and the angle of rise 5.25 seqt. The Egyptians expressed their fractions as the sum of fractions, but the decimals are sufficient for the example. What is the rise in cubits? The run is 70 cubits, 490 palms. X, the rise, is 490 divided by 5.25 or 93.33 cubits. These figures sufficed for the Egyptians and Thales. We would go on to calculate the cotangent as 70 divided by 93.33 or.75003 and looking that up in a table of cotangents find that the angle of rise is a few minutes over 53 degrees.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Whether the ability to use the seqt, which preceded &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; by about 1000 years, means that he was the first to define trigonometry is a matter of opinion. More practically &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; used the same method to measure the distances of ships at sea, said &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Eudemus&lt;/span&gt; as reported by &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Proclus&lt;/span&gt; (“in Euclidem”). According to Kirk &amp; Raven, all you need for this feat is three straight sticks pinned at one end and knowledge of your altitude. One stick goes vertically into the ground. A second is made level. With the third you sight the ship and calculate the seqt from the height of the stick and its distance from the point of insertion to the line of sight.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The seqt is a measure of the angle. Knowledge of two angles (the seqt and a right angle) and an enclosed leg (the altitude) allows you to determine by similar triangles the second leg, which is the distance. Thales probably had his own equipment rigged and recorded his own seqts, but that is only a guess.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;’ Theorem is stated in another article. In addition &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Eudemus&lt;/span&gt; attributed to him the discovery that a circle is bisected by its diameter, that the base angles of an isoceles triangle are equal and that vertical angles are equal. It would be hard to imagine civilization without these theorems.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is possible, of course, to question whether Thales really did discover these principles. On the other hand, it is not possible to answer such doubts definitively. The sources are all that we have, even though they sometimes contradict each other.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;center&gt;Astronomy&lt;/center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;According to &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Diogenes Laertius&lt;/span&gt;, &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Lobon of Argos&lt;/span&gt; wrote that he saw a statue of &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; at Miletus with an inscription describing him as &quot;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;most senior in wisdom of all the astronomers (áóôñïëïãïé)&lt;/span&gt;.&quot; The word, astrologoi, could mean what it does today, the divination of human affairs from the positions of the stars, but it also meant scientific astronomy, as in the case of &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; was said to be able to predict eclipses and fix the solstices, which abilities made him a very useful man in business and politics. Whether he was the first to do these things, as the enthusiastic DL claims, is another matter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He set the seasons of the year and divided the year into 365 days. These abilities presume that he had a - to some degree - effective theory of the path of the sun, but we don&#39;t know what it was. He estimated the size of the sun at 1/720th of its path and that of the moon at the same ratio of its smaller path. He was able to estimate the heights of the pyramids from the lengths of their shadows. He knew and taught the value of Ursa Minor to navigators, which the sources say he got from the Phoenician, but as far as they were concerned, he &quot;discovered&quot; it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We know that he observed the stars, as he is related to have fallen into a ditch one night. Answering his cries for help, an old woman (in DL) wanted to know how he expected to know anything about the stars when he didn&#39;t even know what was on the Earth at his feet. &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Plato&lt;/span&gt; makes the ditch a well and questioner a witty and attractive Thracian slave girl[21], unless we presume he fell twice and elicited the same sort of comment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In terms of modern science, Thales had as high a batting average as anyone in the ancient world. He was totally wrong about a few things. His reason for the yearly flooding of the Nile, for example, was that seasonal winds blowing upstream impeded the water.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr width=&quot;55%&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This article is licensed under the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;GNU Free Documentation License&lt;/a&gt;. 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Many regard him as the first philosopher in the Greek tradition as well as the &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;father of science&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr width=&quot;15%&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;&lt;center&gt;Life&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; lived and was born in the city of &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Miletus&lt;/span&gt; (Greek: Μίλητος transliterated Miletos, Turkish: Milet) an ancient city on the western coast of Anatolia (in what is now the Aydin Province of Turkey), near the mouth of the Maeander River.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;center&gt;Background&lt;/center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The dates of &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;&#39; life are not known precisely. There are two traditions: one that he lived to be about 90, and the other, about 80. The time of his life is roughly established by a few dateable events mentioned in the sources and an estimate of his length of life. According to &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Herodotus&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; predicted a solar eclipse, which has been determined by modern methods to have been on May 28, 585 BC. &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Pliny&lt;/span&gt; places it in 584.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;According to &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Diogenes Laërtius&lt;/span&gt;, the chronicle of &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Apollodorus&lt;/span&gt; says that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; died at 78 in the 58th Olympiad. &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Diogenes Laërtius&lt;/span&gt; says that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Sosicrates&lt;/span&gt; said he was 90. The year of his birth was the first year of the 35th Olympiad, or 640 BC. &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; would have been about 40 during the eclipse.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Diogenes Laërtius&lt;/span&gt; and others say that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; was the son of Examyas and Cleobulina and that they were of the Thelidae family (hence Thales), who were of noble Phoenician descent from Cadmus of ancient Thebes. After repeating a story that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; had been naturalized, or recently enrolled as a citizen, &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Diogenes Laërtius&lt;/span&gt; asserts that he was &quot;a right-born Milesian&quot;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When the Greeks settled Miletus it included a Carian population. Families on monuments have both Greek and Carian names. &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;&#39; father&#39;s name is of the Carian type, like Cheramyes and Panamyes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;According to &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Diogenes Laërtius&lt;/span&gt; there are two stories about &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;&#39; family life, one that he married and had a son, Cybisthus or Cybisthon, or adopted his nephew of the same name. The second is that he never married, telling his mother as a young man that it was too early to marry, and as an older man that it was too late.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The well-traveled Ionians had many dealings with Egypt and Babylon, and &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; may have studied in Egypt as a young man. In any event, &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; almost certainly had exposure to Egyptian mythology, astronomy, and mathematics, as well as to other traditions alien to the &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Homeric&lt;/span&gt; traditions of Greece. Perhaps because of this his inquiries into the nature of things took him beyond traditional mythology.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; involved himself in many activities, taking the role of an innovator. Some say that he left no writings, others that he wrote &quot;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;On the Solstice&lt;/span&gt;&quot; and &quot;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;On the Equinox&lt;/span&gt;&quot;. Neither have survived. &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Diogenes Laërtius&lt;/span&gt; quotes letters of &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; to &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Pherecydes&lt;/span&gt; and &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Solon&lt;/span&gt;, offering to review the book of the former on religion, and offering to keep company with the latter on his sojourn from Athens. &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; identifies the &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Milesians&lt;/span&gt; as Athenians.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;center&gt;Business&lt;/center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Several anecdotes suggest that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; was not solely a thinker; he was involved in business and politics. One story recounts that he bought options to use all of the olive presses in Miletus after predicting the weather and a good harvest for a particular year. Another version of this same story states that he bought the presses not to become wealthy, but merely to demonstrate to his fellow Milesians that he could use his intelligence to enrich himself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;center&gt;Politics&lt;/center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;’ political life had mainly to do with the involvement of the &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Ionians&lt;/span&gt; in the defense of Anatolia against the growing power of the Iranians, who were then new to the region. A king had come to power in neighboring Lydia, &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Croesus&lt;/span&gt;, who was somewhat too aggressive for the size of his army. He had conquered most of the states of coastal Anatolia, including the cities of the Ionians. The story is told in &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Herodotus&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Lydians&lt;/span&gt; were at war with the &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Medes&lt;/span&gt;, a remnant of the first wave of Iranians in the region, over the issue of refuge the Lydians had given to some Scythian soldiers of fortune inimical to the Medes. The war endured for five years, but in the sixth an eclipse of the sun (mentioned above) spontaneously halted a battle in progress (the &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Battle of Halys&lt;/span&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; had predicted this eclipse. The &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Seven Sages&lt;/span&gt; were most likely already in existence, as &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Croesus&lt;/span&gt; was also heavily influenced by &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Solon of Athens&lt;/span&gt;, another sage. Whether &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; was present at the battle is not known, nor are the exact terms of the prediction, but based on it the Lydians and Medes made peace immediately, swearing a blood oath.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Medes were dependencies of the Persians under &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Cyrus&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Croesus&lt;/span&gt; now sided with the Medes against the Persians and marched in the direction of Iran (with far fewer men than he needed). He was stopped by the river &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Halys&lt;/span&gt;, then unbridged. This time he had &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; with him, perhaps by invitation. Whatever his status, the king gave the problem to him, and he got the army across by digging a diversion upstream so as to reduce the flow, making it possible to ford the river. The channels ran around both sides of the camp.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The two armies engaged at &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Pteria&lt;/span&gt; in Cappadocia. As the battle was indecisive but paralyzing to both sides, &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Croesus&lt;/span&gt; marched home, dismissed his mercenaries and sent emissaries to his dependents and allies to ask them to dispatch fresh troops to &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Sardis&lt;/span&gt;. The issue became more pressing when the Persian army showed up at &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Sardis&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Diogenes Laertius&lt;/span&gt; tells us that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; gained fame as a counsellor when he advised the Milesians not to engage in a symmachia, a “fighting together”, with the Lydians. This has sometimes been interpreted as an alliance, but you do not ally with your subjects.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Croesus&lt;/span&gt; was defeated before the city of &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Sardis&lt;/span&gt; by &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Cyrus&lt;/span&gt;, who subsequently spared &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Miletus&lt;/span&gt; because it had taken no action. The &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Great King&lt;/span&gt; was something of a philosopher himself. He was so impressed by &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Croesus&lt;/span&gt;’ wisdom and his connection with the sages that he spared him and took his advice on various matters.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Ionians were now free. &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Herodotus&lt;/span&gt; says that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; advised them to form an Ionian state; that is, a &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;bouleuterion&lt;/span&gt; (“deliberative body”) to be located at &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Teos&lt;/span&gt; in the center of Ionia. The Ionian cities should be &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;demoi&lt;/span&gt;, or “districts.” Miletus, however, received favorable terms from Cyrus. The others remained in an &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Ionian League&lt;/span&gt; of 12 cities (excluding Miletus now), and were subjugated by the Persians.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;center&gt;Ethics&lt;/center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The ethics of &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; can be estimated from the sayings attributed to him, reported in &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Diogenes Laertius&lt;/span&gt;. First, he recognizes a transcendental God, who has neither beginning nor end. He believes that God is just and expects men to behave justly. Neither men being unjust (ἄδικος) nor thinking injustice escape the notice of the Gods (θεοί). In this form of polytheism the transcendental god expresses himself through gods, so that a man can say θεοί and mean God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;’ idea of justice includes both the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. Concerning the former, he advises that adultery and perjury about it in court are equally bad. His value of civic law is supplemented by some practical advice. Expect the same support from your children that you give to your parents. Don’t let talk influence you against those whom you have come to trust. Be rich, yes, for success is sweet. However, don’t be rich badly (κακῶς).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As to the spirit of the law, we find &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; expressing a rather well known principle for leading the best (ἄριστα) and most just (δικαιότατα) life:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    ἃ τοῖς ἄλλοις ἐπιτιμῶμεν, αὐτοὶ μὴ δρῶμεν&lt;br /&gt;    “That for which we blame others, let us not do ourselves” &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This rejection of hypocrisy resembles the foundational principle of Jewish law, “Do not unto thy neighbor what is hateful to thyself.” It is quite unlikely that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; was Jewish, but some have emphasized his supposed “Semitic” ancestry. After all, Hebrew and Phoenician are closely related, coming from a common ancestor about the time of Cadmus. There is no known connection between &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; and any Hebrew speakers, however.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;His view of enemies is somewhat more severe than the Old Testament, which supports an equal exchange of penalties: an eye for an eye, etc. According to &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;, a man can better bear adversity if he sees that his enemies are worse off.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;&#39; view was that men are better than women and Greeks are better than barbarians. (He stated this despite the fact that his proudest ancestor was dethroned in Thebes for being a barbarian.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; was not Democratic. One story has him living with &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thrasybulus&lt;/span&gt;, tyrant of Miletus. In his letter to &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Solon&lt;/span&gt; he offers to live elsewhere with him, seeing that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Solon&lt;/span&gt; finds tyranny so offensive. Ancient philosophers in general tended to support benign tyranny, such as &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Plato&lt;/span&gt;’s ideal philosopher-king. Unquestionably, sages were more at home with absolutism than with democratic forms of government. They could not resist undertaking to reform the morals of the citizens, with well-known results. Philosphers&#39; support of tyrants generally had poor results; the outcome was generally the expulsion or murder of the tyrant and the massacre of the philosophers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;According to &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;, a happy man is defined as one&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    ὁ τὸ μὲν σῶμα ὑγιής, τὴν δὲ ψυχὴν εὔπορος, τὴν δὲ φύσιν εὐπαίδευτος&lt;br /&gt;    “Who is healthy in body, resourceful in soul and of a readily teachable nature” &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;which is similar to the Roman “Mens sana in corpore sano”, our “sane mind in a healthy body.” Perhaps &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; did exercise, but he did not cultivate the body, as he preached not beautifying the appearance (ὄψις) but practicing the good, not the bad.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;center&gt;Sagacity&lt;/center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Diogenes Laertius&lt;/span&gt; tells us that the &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Seven Sages&lt;/span&gt; were created in the &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;archonship of Damasius at Athens&lt;/span&gt; about 582 BC and that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; was the first sage. The same story, however, asserts that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; emigrated to Miletus. There is also a report that he did not become a student of nature until after his political career. Much as we would like to have a date on the seven sages, we must reject these stories and the tempting date if we are to believe that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; was a native of Miletus, predicted the eclipse, and was with &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Croesus&lt;/span&gt; in the campaign against Cyrus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; had no instruction but that of Egyptian priests, we are told. Whether we should believe that story is a different matter. It was fairly certain that he came from a wealthy and established family, and the wealthy customarily educated their children. Moreover, the ordinary citizen, unless he was a seafaring man or a merchant, could not afford the grand tour in Egypt, and in any case did not consort with noble lawmakers such as &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Solon&lt;/span&gt;. Perhaps the source only meant that &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; had not been instructed in philosophy before proposing his theories about nature.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He did participate in some games, most likely Panhellenic, at which he won a bowl twice. He dedicated it to &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Apollo at Delphi&lt;/span&gt;. As he was not known to have been athletic, his event was probably declamation, and it may have been victory in some specific phase of this event that led to his being designated sage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another trophy, a &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;tripod&lt;/span&gt;, is said to have been bestowed upon him and was given by him to another sage, going the rounds until it came back to him, at which time he dedicated it to Apollo. The oracle given to the &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Koans&lt;/span&gt;, in obedience to which the tripod was given to &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; (in this story), said that it should go to&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    ὃς σοφὸς ᾖ τὰ ἐόντα τὰ τ&#39;ἐσσόμενα πρό τ&#39;ἐόντα&lt;br /&gt;    ”Who is wise in the things that are, the things that will be, and the things that were” &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;which is delivered in dactylic hexameter, the verse form of the &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Iliad&lt;/span&gt;, and contains a formula said of &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Calchas&lt;/span&gt;, a Homeric mantis, or “seer”. Thales did predict an eclipse. Perhaps it was on that basis that he was pronounced sage. One of the verses attributed to him proclaims that&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    σοφώτατον χρόνος: ἀνευρίσκει γὰρ πάντα&lt;br /&gt;    ”Time is the wisest because it discovers everything” &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The ability to predict also is a hallmark of good science, but not all the sages were known for their ability to predict.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The time, place and reasons for &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; being declared officially sage remain obscure, although the sources made some good guesses, one or more of which were probably right. The essence of his wisdom seems to have been simplicity of theory with emphasis on insight and inspiration, as these words of a song attributed to him by &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Laertius&lt;/span&gt; indicate:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    οὔ τι τὰ πολλὰ ἔπη φρονίμην ἀπεφήνατο δόξαν:&lt;br /&gt;    ἕν τι μάτευε σοφόν,&lt;br /&gt;    ἕν τι κεδνὸν αἱροῦ:&lt;br /&gt;    ”Never did many words declare a mindful teaching: strive after a single wise thing, pick one thing you can depend on:” &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is ironic that a man with this principle had many and various achievements.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;center&gt;Death&lt;/center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; is said to have died in his seat, while watching an athletic contest.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr width=&quot;55%&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This article is licensed under the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;GNU Free Documentation License&lt;/a&gt;. It uses material from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thales&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Wikipedia article &quot;Thales&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr width=&quot;75%&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;iframe src=&quot;http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=400101-20&amp;o=1&amp;p=16&amp;l=st1&amp;mode=books&amp;search=thales&amp;fc1=000000&amp;lt1=&amp;lc1=3366FF&amp;bg1=FFFFFF&amp;f=ifr&quot; marginwidth=&quot;0&quot; marginheight=&quot;0&quot; width=&quot;468&quot; height=&quot;336&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; frameborder=&quot;0&quot; style=&quot;border:none;&quot; scrolling=&quot;no&quot;&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/center&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://presocratics.blogspot.com/feeds/2140614691231169696/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/2445131553561114511/2140614691231169696' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2445131553561114511/posts/default/2140614691231169696'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2445131553561114511/posts/default/2140614691231169696'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://presocratics.blogspot.com/2007/02/thales-of-miletus-part-1-of-3.html' title='Thales of Miletus, Part 1 of 3'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2445131553561114511.post-4249494611474922362</id><published>2007-02-20T06:19:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-02-20T06:28:34.108-08:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Anaximander"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Anaximenes"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="apeiron"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="arche"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="cosmology"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Heraclitus"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="metaphysics"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Milesian School"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Milesians"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Thales"/><title type='text'>The Milesian School</title><content type='html'>The &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Milesian school&lt;/span&gt; was a school of thought founded in the &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;6th Century BC&lt;/span&gt;. The ideas associated with it are exemplified by three philosophers from the &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Ionian&lt;/span&gt; town of &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Miletus&lt;/span&gt;, on the Aegean coast of Anatolia: &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt;, &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Anaximander&lt;/span&gt;, and &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Anaximenes&lt;/span&gt;. They introduced new opinions contrary to the prevailing viewpoint on how the world was organized, in which natural phenomena were explained solely by the will of anthropomorphized gods. The &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Milesians&lt;/span&gt; presented a view of nature in terms of methodologically observable entities, and as such was one of the first truly scientific philosophies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note: It is important to make a distinction between the &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Milesian school&lt;/span&gt; and the &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Ionian&lt;/span&gt;, which includes the philosophies of both the Milesians and other distinctly different Ionian thinkers such as &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Heraclitus&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr width=&quot;15%&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;&lt;center&gt;Philosophy of nature&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These philosophers defined all things by their quintessential substance, (ἀρχή / &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;arche&lt;/span&gt;), of which the Universe was formed and which was the source of all life. &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; thought it to be water. But as it was impossible to explain some things (such as fire) as being composed of this element, &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Anaximander&lt;/span&gt; chose an unobservable, undefined element, which he called &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;apeiron&lt;/span&gt; (ἀπείρων). He reasoned that if each of the four traditional elements (water, air, fire, and earth) are opposed to the other three, and if they cancel each other out on contact, none of them could constitute a stable, truly elementary form of matter. Consequently, there must be another entity from which the others originate, and which must truly be the most basic element of all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The unspecified nature of the &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;apeiron&lt;/span&gt; upset critics, which caused &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Anaximenes&lt;/span&gt; to define it as being air, a more concrete, yet still subtle, element. &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Anaximenes&lt;/span&gt; held that by its evaporation and condensation, air can change into other elements or substances such as fire, wind, clouds, water, and earth. However, our modern concept of energy is much more similar to &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Anaximander&lt;/span&gt;&#39;s &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;apeiron&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr width=&quot;15%&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;&lt;center&gt;Cosmology&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The differences between the three philosophers was not limited to the nature of matter. Each of them conceived of the universe differently. &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Thales&lt;/span&gt; held that the Earth was floating in water. He noted the movement of certain stars, which he called Planets. &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Anaximander&lt;/span&gt; placed the Earth at the center of a universe composed of hollow, concentric wheels filled with fire, and pierced by holes at various intervals, which appaired as the sun, the moon, and the other stars. For &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;Anaximenes&lt;/span&gt;, the sun and the moon were flat disks traveling around a heavenly canopy, on which the stars were fixed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr width=&quot;55%&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This article is licensed under the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;GNU Free Documentation License&lt;/a&gt;. It uses material from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milesian_school&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Wikipedia article &quot;Milesian School&quot;&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr width=&quot;75%&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;iframe src=&quot;http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=400101-20&amp;o=1&amp;p=16&amp;l=st1&amp;mode=books&amp;search=milesian%20school&amp;fc1=000000&amp;lt1=&amp;lc1=3366FF&amp;bg1=FFFFFF&amp;f=ifr&quot; marginwidth=&quot;0&quot; marginheight=&quot;0&quot; width=&quot;468&quot; height=&quot;336&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; frameborder=&quot;0&quot; style=&quot;border:none;&quot; scrolling=&quot;no&quot;&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/center&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://presocratics.blogspot.com/feeds/4249494611474922362/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/2445131553561114511/4249494611474922362' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2445131553561114511/posts/default/4249494611474922362'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2445131553561114511/posts/default/4249494611474922362'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://presocratics.blogspot.com/2007/02/milesian-school.html' title='The Milesian School'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2445131553561114511.post-8314530431169568558</id><published>2007-02-20T06:12:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-02-20T06:18:43.339-08:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Hermann Diels"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="philosophy"/><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Pre-Socratics"/><title type='text'>Introduction to Pre-Socratic Philosophy</title><content type='html'>The &lt;b&gt;Pre-Socratic&lt;/b&gt; philosophers were active before &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: bold;&quot;&gt;Socrates&lt;/span&gt; or contemporaneously, but expounding knowledge developed earlier. The popularity of the term originates with &lt;span style=&quot;font-weight: bold;&quot;&gt;Hermann Diels&lt;/span&gt;&#39; work &lt;i style=&quot;font-weight: bold;&quot;&gt;Die Fragmente der Vorsokratiker&lt;/i&gt; (&lt;i style=&quot;font-weight: bold;&quot;&gt;The Fragments of the Pre-Socratics&lt;/i&gt;, 1903).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is sometimes difficult to determine the actual line of argument some pre-Socratics used in supporting their particular views. While most of them produced significant texts, none of the texts have survived in complete form. All we have are quotations by later philosophers, historians, and the occasional textual fragment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The pre-Socratic philosophers rejected traditional mythological explanations for the phenomena they saw around them in favor of more rational explanations. Many of them asked:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;From where does everything come?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;From what is everything created?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How do we explain the plurality of things found in nature?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How might we describe nature mathematically?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;Others concentrated on defining problems and paradoxes that became the basis for later mathematical, scientific and philosophic study. Of course, the cosmologies proposed by the early Greek philosophers have been updated by views based on modern science. Later philosophers rejected many of the answers they provided, but continued to place importance on their questions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr width=&quot;55%&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This article is licensed under the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html&quot; class=&quot;external text&quot; title=&quot;http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;GNU Free Documentation License&lt;/a&gt;. It uses material from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Socratics&quot; class=&quot;external text&quot; title=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metasyntactic_variable&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Wikipedia article &quot;Pre-Socratic philosophy&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr width=&quot;75%&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;iframe src=&quot;http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=400101-20&amp;o=1&amp;p=16&amp;l=st1&amp;mode=books&amp;search=pre-socratics&amp;fc1=000000&amp;lt1=&amp;lc1=3366FF&amp;bg1=FFFFFF&amp;f=ifr&quot; marginwidth=&quot;0&quot; marginheight=&quot;0&quot; width=&quot;468&quot; height=&quot;336&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; frameborder=&quot;0&quot; style=&quot;border:none;&quot; scrolling=&quot;no&quot;&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/center&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://presocratics.blogspot.com/feeds/8314530431169568558/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/2445131553561114511/8314530431169568558' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2445131553561114511/posts/default/8314530431169568558'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2445131553561114511/posts/default/8314530431169568558'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://presocratics.blogspot.com/2007/02/introduction-to-pre-socratic-philosophy_20.html' title='Introduction to Pre-Socratic Philosophy'/><author><name>Unknown</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry></feed>