The Second Life Great Expedition

Short in Second Life

2009-12-15T18:26:00.000Z

Kino Susanowa and Diana Tyran are distinctively shorter than most Avatars. Most people just make themselves as tall as possible and its cool to see people who build identities with different heights.

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A Crowd

2009-12-15T18:21:00.000Z

Braunworth Infohub

Because of some server restarts people are having their avs sent to infohubs. These hubs are filling with confused people who have suddenly found thier SIMs gone, or who have tried to log in to SL but could not return to SIMs they have been.

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BBC NEWS | Scotland | Edinburgh, East and Fife | Virtual world designer wins gold

2009-12-15T14:32:00.000Z

BBC NEWS | Scotland | Edinburgh, East and Fife | Virtual world designer wins gold

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Mountain with cloud for sale

2009-12-15T12:22:00.000Z

50 L - Seaside Green Tropical 4000m - P5

For Sale - 50 L$
4000m - 915 prim - 1600 L$/week
First week tier due when purchased
Class 5 Residential Tropical Sim
No Premium account needed
Full Ownership Rights
Resell, Terraform and Media Control
Free Home By DIAL LTD.

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A Virtual Mecca in Second Life

2009-12-14T22:43:00.000Z

IslamOnline.net Virtual Hajj

This is really amazing, an interactive model of Mecca open to all who want to learn about Islam. One of the major projects of the Imagination Age is to use virtual reality to expand global understanding.

I created a 3-D synth of the space, it is really amazing

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Angels

2009-12-14T20:03:00.000Z

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Roissy%202/44/192/25

Angels by Michiel Seetan

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The Gay Frontier

2009-12-14T19:33:00.000Z

** New Sebastian Gay Life **

Sebastian is the most established gay community in Second Life, and with the new introduction of "dirty land" vs. "moral land" by our friends at Linden Labs they find themselves as a gay frontier. Notice the red dot on the map, the last bit of development before a mass virtual wilderness.

Strange that SL has used land to reproduce the marginalisation of certain groups in culture.

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Rise Of a Noble House, an Experiment in Second Life Lit Creation

2009-12-14T19:18:00.000Z

Sacred Lion Diorama Theather

Rise Of a Noble House is a work by FigBash Snook most of the fun is coming here to see and read it but I have included some of the sections that come with pictures. Of course its spicey, as SL generally is.

"Five days later, Desdemona arrives at the imperial capital and surveys the cityscape before her. Though her wounds continue to heal well, the attack has made her cautious, and she has decided forgo the processional entry into the city that was intended to set toungues wagging about her arrival. Instead, she now intends to quietly obtain secure lodgings for her company and quickly make contact with the head of the Vartanian family, to start negotiations as soon as possible.

"But how many other merchant houses will be competing for this contract? Could one of them be behind the ambush? Desdemona starts to wonder if success in these negotiations will be any less perilous for her family than failure. " FigBash Snook

"Rise of a Noble House -

"Episode 5 -

"DiscoveryNegotiations have been going well for Desdemona, and are nearing completion. While looking for a warehouse to store the barony’s shipments, she and Lexi make an astounding discovery. This abandoned warehouse appears to have been a dispatch drop point for the old Imperial Intelligence Corps. And from the looks of it, dispatches are still being filed, even to this day, though apparently no one has been here to collect them in over a century.Lexi and Desdemona quickly conclude their purchase of the warehouse, haggling only enough to avoid raising suspicion. They are now in control of a staggering flow of privileged information… what will they do with it? " FigBash Snook
"

"Rise of a Noble House - Episode 4 - First Contact

"The Senate may not have met in three centuries, but the cultural trappings of Empire are dusted off once a year, and the Senator's Ball goes on, much as it did long ago.

"To avoid the impression of appearing as a supplicant by coming to his office for their first contact, Desdemona Shetland had elected instead to meet the new head of the Vartanian family here, in a bid to start negotiations on an equal footing. Now, as she twirls in his arms, Desdemona begins to wonder if this was a mistake. Lexi Vartanian is clearly at home in this environment: dashing, witty, a fine dancer, and well-schooled in cultural nuance. Despite having purchased a fine gown in the modern fashion to wear, she is all to conscious of the cultural gap between these jaded imperials and her own upbringing in a baronial backwater. Clearly, she thinks to herself, she has a lot to learn before people here will treat her as an equal.

"Class is now in session. "FigBash Snook

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Sacred Art Museum

2009-12-14T18:11:00.000Z

Sacred Art Museum

The museum owes its existence to the generosity of the Kira Institute and Play as Being, on whose land it sits. The museum itself was built by Storm Nordwind and offers very special museum spaces.

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Welcome Space Pioneers!

2009-12-13T21:06:00.000Z

Today at 8pm SLT come to watch the first Virgin Atlantic try for private sector manned space flight.

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ASU Virtual Campus

2009-12-13T21:00:00.000Z

ASU Virtual Campus

This is the virtual campus for Arkansas State University. In this weeks UK Wired Glen Newey makes an argument for the value of Virtual education growth over more reliance on traditional Universities. Personally I don't buy a word of it, I don't see the main purpose of virtual spaces a replacement or alternatives but augmentations.

If Virtual Reality becomes the competition to real reality then both will suffer. The Internet, and the 3-D Internet should in time augment and extend our experiences of social reality not replace them. Thought to be fair to Glen Newey his piece is to short for me to be certain that this is his point.

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Beyond Pink and Blue Balls

2009-12-13T20:47:00.000Z

** New Sebastian Gay Life **

A sex machine being sold to Gay men. I think probably a male and female of lesbian couple with dildo can use it, but the machine gives up the blue and pink balls, thank God. I for one always hated the use of pink and blue to assign sexual roles.

Traditionally sex animations have worked in Second Life with one partner clicking on the pink ball and the other the blue ball. Regularly it would be the person playing the male gender using the blue and the person playing the female gender using the pink. The gay, lesbian and transgender minority generally would just use the same animations with the same implied genders roles and colors.

But now animations made for non-gender specific or same gender role sex are on the market.

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Landhausmoden

2009-12-10T16:17:00.000Z

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Apfelland%20Stadt/147/209/25

If you need virtual lederhosen for some kind digital Germanic event you can come her in Second Life.

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Le Chateau de Roissy (Story of O)

2009-12-08T20:45:00.000Z

Le Chateau de Roissy (Story of O)

Like many communities in Second Life it is based around submissive Sexual Role Play. This adult only community is structured around training submission, and provides sexual fantasy to many players. Above female submissive have submitted their images to be voted upon.

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Introducing the 3D Internet

2009-12-07T17:59:00.001Z

While the public version of the Second Life virtual world remains primarily a playground for self expression and social networking, military and government agencies are taking a more serious look at its practical applications now that its maker, Linden Lab, has created a version of the environment that can be run behind a firewall on private servers. But Second Life is only one of several environments for creating what are sometimes called 3-D Internet experiences.

Second Life demonstrates mingling of real and virtual worlds -- Government Computer News

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Duran Duran

2009-12-07T13:40:00.001Z

The Pillars of Hercules

Cutting Edge present a Duran Duran tribute. Duran Duran has a strong history with Second Life, but I find the lag at this concerts too much to take. Pluse they happen in the middle of the night UK time.

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Bunnies

2009-12-07T13:38:00.000Z

BUNNY BOULEVARD STAGE, DANCE & PARTY ZONE

These bunnies nose move as they breath, their eyes blink and they twitch their ears.

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Another art gallery in Second Life

2009-12-07T13:29:00.000Z

**Streamlife The B&W Art Gallery**

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DURAN DURAN Tribute

2009-12-07T03:00:00.001Z

It as some years back that a DURAN DURAN concert in SL made the Virtual World world wide news, and now a Duran Duran tribute is befing performed tonight

The Pillars of Hercules

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Lost

2009-12-04T19:55:00.000Z

The dance floor at The Lost Gardens of Apollo

In 2007 during the SL boom this space would have been crowded on almost any night with people looking to chat over Salsa music, but it seems Facebook and Twitter have taken all the dance partners away.

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Midsomer Isle looks a little dated

2009-12-04T19:47:00.000Z

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Midsomer%20Isle/138/102/42

I remember when Midsomer Isle was the most amazing SIM, but with some of the new stuff coming up the islands looks dated and in need of redevelopment. Those massive mountains just don't cut any more.

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Amazing Mountain Range

2009-12-04T16:01:00.000Z

AIRE Ville Spatiale

Why is it that the French make the best landscapes in Second Life? It must have something to do with they making some of the best painters. Second Life is still more lovely in Paris.

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Building with organic pulsing skin

2009-12-03T23:12:00.000Z

:: Force Planet :: has a pulsating organic surface which is unlike anything in RL today.

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Peaceful spot

2009-12-03T13:06:00.000Z

:: Gallery Tony ::

Tony - Song of Peace explores the possibility of Virtual Reality used to promote relaxation. I could imagine a doctor prescribing a 20 minutes a day in an immersive environment like this, vital signs monitored back at the medical office to reduce stress. Virtual Reality offers the potential of breakthrough in mental health treatment.

More information:

Artist Notes:

Tony - Song of Peace

Painting - Acrylic and wire mesh on canvas
Video - Motion, Final Cut and Photoshop
Chant - Vocals, Instruments and Elk Drum - Tony
Peace Pipe - Andre Suazo
Recorded at THRAK Studios, Elorien, Force Planet and Pacifica Studios

Song of Peace was originally written in 1999 as a reaction to increasing fear and hate I felt around me. It was the spring after Matthew Shepherd was brutally murdered and the whole world was waiting for the end to come via computer glitch. I re-visited the song in 2001 and the chant began to emerge in the recording so I continued the overdubbing until December 2003 and released a version to my friends, which was mixed and mastered by Byron Nemeth of Pacifica Studios. The current version of the chant now has 172 overdubs recorded since 1999.

The painting and video were created as I recorded the chant and have served as way of making the vision of the Song of Peace manifest in a visual aspect. The painting is a meditation on refuge. The lotus, the moon and the star a visual representation of the Buddha, the Dharma and the Sangha - the three jewels. In my mind it is these three ideas that Peace and Love and their imagining make manifest in our world; enlightenment, the upholding of creation and the people of the world. The painting mirrors the layered style of the recording and is built with thousands of thin layers of tinted varnishes and wire mesh on canvas.

When I approached the creation of the video it was from a sense of play as I took my first steps into HD video and Apple's Motion software. The video mirrors the layered style of the chant and the painting and uses elements of the painting within it. Like the painting I wanted the video to hold the sense of stillness while projecting the fluidity of the motion, intentionally rejecting the quick-edits of broadcast video for the single-shot meditation. By allowing the eye to rest, the mind follows and is invited to imagine.

The painting remains in my private collection for now but prints are available on my website : http://tonyjones.me

Imagine
peace and love
Imagine
living in peace and love
Imagine
us
living in peace and love
imagine

-Tony

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Factions, an interesting topic in SL government

2009-12-02T20:01:00.000Z

A group discussing becoming a "faction", the nature of factions inside the CDS is rather interesting as this discussion will show.

[11:18] Rose Springvale: it's open
[11:18] Rose Springvale: but we are looking at the faction issue as a group of potential faction creators
[11:18] Rose Springvale: What I've heard from the people i've talked to is a clear dislike for the faction system
[11:19] Rose Springvale: and while i don't think we have the time or the information necessary to push through elimination of factions before the end of this term
[11:19] followmeimthe Piedpiper is Online
[11:19] Rose Springvale: i think this group is ready to pursue it. so would propose that as a major plank to the faction we'd form here
[11:20] Rose Springvale: Caro, you'll be amused, Kami wants us to be the Corsairs
[11:20] Carolyn Saarinen: I'mokay with that. We didn't have an name for the new faction anyway ;)
[11:20] Rose Springvale: lolol
[11:20] Rose Springvale: i'm not okay with it!
[11:20] Rose Springvale: unless the women get to do the dragging off of the bounty... heheh
[11:21] Kamilah Hauptmann: Tongue in cheek suggestion, Rose. :)
[11:21] Rose Springvale: So last week we left the discussion at a consideration of name, and inclusion of the basic AA principles of tolerance and consensus building
[11:21] Rose Springvale: i know
[11:21] Carolyn Saarinen: Well ,i came up with : زخرفة للعالم
[11:21] Rose Springvale: lol
[11:21] Rose Springvale: if i can't type it on my keypboard, i'm not voting for it :)
[11:22] Carolyn Saarinen: 'Ornament of the world' is too long in English ;)
[11:22] Rose Springvale: smiles
[11:22] Rose Springvale: Ornamentalists?
[11:22] Rose Springvale: lol
[11:22] Carolyn Saarinen: but that's what it means
[11:22] Rose Springvale: pretty, but unnecessary...
[11:22] casta Oh is Online
[11:22] Kyla Damone is Online
[11:22] Rose Springvale: I thought about co opting micaels group name
[11:22] Carolyn Saarinen: It's from the description of al-Andalus by a Chritian chronicaler
[11:22] Rose Springvale: Convivencia
[11:23] Rose Springvale: yes, i have the book here on my desk
[11:23] Carolyn Saarinen: Me too ;)
[11:23] Rose Springvale: smiles
[11:23] Rose Springvale: thoughts?
[11:23] Rose Springvale: Pat , why ARE there factions in CDS?
[11:24] Carolyn Saarinen: SF is full of 'em Ekumen, Cosilium etc etc
[11:24] Rober1236 Jua: But why?
[11:24] Patroklus Murakami: well, if i understand the intention correctly, it was due to the problem of needing to replace ppl as they drop out of RA activities
[11:24] Patroklus Murakami: if you elect individuals and they move on ot other things, what do you do?
[11:25] Patroklus Murakami: the idea was that ppl vote for a faction platform and then, to some extent, the individuals are changeable :)
[11:25] Rose Springvale: that's an issue, but i would think you could go on without them..
[11:25] Patroklus Murakami: we had a lot more change in the past than recently
[11:25] Kamilah Hauptmann: Portability or real estate and avatars problem.
[11:25] Rober1236 Jua: No I think that makes sense
[11:25] Rober1236 Jua: you need some basic small unit of stability
[11:25] Rober1236 Jua: people drop in and out of SL all the time
[11:25] Rose Springvale: yes, well, my experience is that factions dont' represent the people in them very well
[11:25] Rose Springvale: at least now
[11:25] Rose Springvale: Hey Nala
[11:26] Rose Springvale: thanks for dropping by!
[11:26] Nala Kamala: Hi Rose.
[11:26] Kamilah Hauptmann: Like a deputy representative in the event the primary decides ski season is more interesting and profound. :)
[11:26] Rose Springvale: Rober, do you think we need factions? we have at most about 130 people
[11:26] Rober1236 Jua: Well the problem is that when ever you plan anything in SL you find the people you plan with tend to vanish
[11:26] Rose Springvale: true
[11:26] Rober1236 Jua: and then I find I get sent away on business all the time
[11:26] Carolyn Saarinen: All the LESS reason to have factions then
[11:27] Carolyn Saarinen: No?
[11:27] Rober1236 Jua: so the individual is a pretty piss poor unit for Second Life democracy
[11:27] Rober1236 Jua: Since we have not bonds of clans or anyting from RL beyond language a faction makes sense
[11:27] Rober1236 Jua: A faction will survive the removal of most of its memebers
[11:27] Kamilah Hauptmann: Factions then are an artefact of the presumption (and a good one) people are flakes?
[11:28] Carolyn Saarinen: But it shouldn't
[11:28] Rose Springvale: lol
[11:28] Rober1236 Jua: Well it is hard to keep 100% on SL for extended periods of time
[11:28] Kamilah Hauptmann: Yes, people are flakes.
[11:28] Rober1236 Jua: people get jobs, take classes, fall in love
[11:28] Rober1236 Jua: or just need a break
[11:28] Carolyn Saarinen: If it does that it's not a faction it's whoever is left pretending they have a constituency that doesn't exist
[11:28] Rober1236 Jua: me myself I just got this new book I can't put down
[11:29] followmeimthe Piedpiper is Offline
[11:29] Nala Kamala: book?
[11:29] Rose Springvale: With the RA as presently constituted... its a six month every other week commitment, with the option of voting within 7 days if you can't make the meeting
[11:29] Rober1236 Jua: You lose some democracy but gain constitutional stability
[11:29] Rose Springvale: what is the book?
[11:29] Rober1236 Jua: Anathem
[11:30] Rose Springvale: interesting
[11:30] Rose Springvale: do you think it is relevant to this discussion?
[11:30] Rober1236 Jua: In SL I find it almost impossible to get anything done
[11:30] Halston Halasy is Offline
[11:30] Rober1236 Jua: And no I don't see much connection between Anathem and this discussion
[11:30] Rose Springvale: okay :)
[11:31] Rober1236 Jua: Anathem is about a society that is stable and slow by its nature
[11:31] Rober1236 Jua: SL is a society where any person can vanish in a day
[11:31] Rose Springvale: the statement: You lose some democracy but gain constitutional stability
[11:31] Rose Springvale: what do the rest of you think of that?
[11:31] Rober1236 Jua: People plan projects and key members never show up
[11:31] Carolyn Saarinen: Is false
[11:31] Nala Kamala: and i am afraid that I am going to have to vanish for awhile myself. My lunch is over. I got here too late.
[11:31] Rose Springvale: we'll keep you advised nala
[11:32] Carolyn Saarinen: No the 'key people' by definition are the ones who DO show up
[11:32] Rober1236 Jua: See if this facton was tasked to do something, the entire faction, we could survive the lose of Nala
[11:32] Nala Kamala: Thans Rose. Adios.
[11:32] Rober1236 Jua: Yes but today's person who shows up is tomorrows "I got a new job and a new boyfriend"
[11:33] Carolyn Saarinen: "Ok bye bye" Find someone else
[11:33] Rose Springvale: those people don't generally get involved in government though
[11:33] Rose Springvale: personally i'd rather sacrifice stability for the sake of democracy
[11:34] Rose Springvale: i am a bit left wing though :)
[11:34] Rober1236 Jua: Well I am left wing enough to want government to hold together
[11:34] Carolyn Saarinen: It doesn't take a lot of people to get stuff done in 2L.
[11:34] Rose Springvale: true
[11:34] Rober1236 Jua: I can see the value of building something that would assure that someone will be there to vote
[11:35] Rose Springvale: So what i hear you saying
[11:35] Carolyn Saarinen: An insistance on consulting people who can't be bothered is what screws things up
[11:35] Rose Springvale: is that we would need a mechanism to fill vacated seats
[11:35] Rose Springvale: if we dispose of factions
[11:35] Kamilah Hauptmann: Ah, the founding of New Babbage was delayed a year because Jefferson Gould... got a new girlfriend.
[11:35] Rose Springvale: smiles
[11:35] Rober1236 Jua: Well sure but you can't stop the group while you seek to fill a spot
[11:35] Carolyn Saarinen: QED
[11:36] Rose Springvale: on juries, we seat alternates
[11:36] Rose Springvale: who are prepared to step in should the paneled jurist are dismissed
[11:36] Rober1236 Jua: In normal life you often have a redundent, someone who can fill for you
[11:36] Rose Springvale: yes
[11:36] Rober1236 Jua: but in SL turn around is so radical you need a cluster of maybe 5 people to assure someone will be there
[11:37] Carolyn Saarinen: Which AA always had
[11:37] Rose Springvale: yes
[11:37] Cannot complete attachment. An attachment is pending for that spot.
[11:37] Patroklus Murakami: we once discussed changing our electoral system to single transferable vote. you would elect individuals and, when one leaves, the next person in the list takes the seat. that coudl work without factions (or with them)
[11:37] Velazquez Bonetto is Offline
[11:37] Rose Springvale: yes, i think so too
[11:37] Carolyn Saarinen: Not the same folk every week but 6-8 people would show up to talk things over
[11:37] Rober1236 Jua: But in SL its not one person going, it 10 people going in 2 days
[11:38] Rose Springvale: Carolyn, that's another thing i thought of
[11:38] Carolyn Saarinen: ?
[11:38] Rose Springvale: that whatever we come up with, communication groups are necessary
[11:38] You decline Idylls Club, Da Vinci Isle (222, 243, 32) from A group member named Stosh Quartz.
[11:38] Rose Springvale: its crazy that the first time some people discuss issues is at the RA meeting where the vote is to be taken
[11:38] Carolyn Saarinen nods
[11:38] Rose Springvale: that's one thing we did here.. by meeting twice a week
[11:39] Rose Springvale: we could actually communicate the problems and answer questiosn informally
[11:39] Carolyn Saarinen: and crazier that that discussion comes to nothing because of 7 day votes
[11:39] Rose Springvale: without having hand slapped for being out of turn lol
[11:39] Rose Springvale: so if we create this new faction, i'd like communication to be a function as well, not limited to just faction members
[11:39] Rober1236 Jua: Do you all mind if I blog this discussion? Its rather interesting?
[11:40] Rose Springvale: i dont' mind Rober
[11:40] Patroklus Murakami: i think it would be a good idea to alternate the RA meetings with your style of town hall meetings
[11:40] Patroklus Murakami: one week RA, next week town hall, rinse repeat :)
[11:40] Carolyn Saarinen: Well, I did suggest making the AA group the faction ;)
[11:40] Rose Springvale: smiles
[11:40] Rose Springvale: but the A A group is over 300 people :)
[11:40] Rober1236 Jua: I have a possible name from a book by Ian M Banks
[11:40] Rose Springvale: and cds rules ... yes?
[11:41] Rober1236 Jua: The Offenders
[11:41] Carolyn Saarinen: so there's always someone to show up ;)
[11:41] Rose Springvale: lolol
[11:41] Rose Springvale: i'm way too nice for you guys lol
[11:41] Rose Springvale: i thought the Seekers
[11:41] Rose Springvale: :)
[11:41] Rober1236 Jua: Well Offenders are so cool in the novel Excerssions
[11:41] Carolyn Saarinen: More seriously, if it was land owners only - since they can vote - it would be about...23
[11:41] Rober1236 Jua: Excessions I think it was
[11:42] Rober1236 Jua: Well at the least a faction can be like a salon
[11:42] Rose Springvale: caro, are we transcripting ?
[11:42] Rose Springvale: i like that too Rober
[11:42] Rober1236 Jua: I was going to blog it all sortly
[11:43] Carolyn Saarinen: I'm not, but I though you usually just did a copy/paste?
[11:43] Rose Springvale: make sure you send the link or post on the forums
[11:43] Rose Springvale: i just want consent from the participants, i've got the log
[11:43] Carolyn Saarinen: sure
[11:43] Patroklus Murakami: you have my consent to publish my words :)
[11:43] Rose Springvale: getting requests from people who can't come
[11:44] Rober1236 Jua: So is this a faction or not?
[11:44] Carolyn Saarinen: Tis Disco Stu!!
[11:44] Rose Springvale: we are exploring whether we want to be Rober
[11:44] Rose Springvale: right now we have representation based on the merger
[11:45] Carolyn Saarinen: We might have to be, even if the goal is to eliminate factions ultimately
[11:45] Rober1236 Jua: Well what would be the harm of being a faction that is negative on the concept of faction?
[11:45] Osprey Therian is Online
[11:45] Lilith Ivory: ty Stui :)
[11:45] Lilith Ivory: was comfortable on your head ;-)
[11:45] Lilith Ivory: soft landing
[11:45] Rose Springvale is Online
[11:45] Rose Springvale: that's what i'm proposing Rober, that we include that in our platform
[11:45] Patroklus Murakami is Online
[11:46] Carolyn Saarinen nods
[11:46] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I'm useful for something
[11:46] Rose Springvale: and try to get the community involved in the discussion
[11:46] Lilith Ivory is Online
[11:46] StuiChicanne Darkstone is Online
[11:46] Celadon Shepherd is Online
[11:46] Carolyn Saarinen is Online
[11:46] Rose Springvale: hi micael!
[11:46] Rose Springvale: hi Lil, stui
[11:46] Lilith Ivory: Hi All
[11:46] StuiChicanne Darkstone: sorry I was late again
[11:46] Micael Khandr: Hello all!
[11:46] Explorer Dastardly is Offline
[11:46] Rose Springvale: thanks rober
[11:46] Patroklus Murakami: hi micael, lilith, stui :)
[11:47] StuiChicanne Darkstone: hektik work
[11:47] Rober1236 Jua: We could be the "We are not a faction" faction
[11:47] Rose Springvale: oh, i kind of like that lol
[11:48] Micael Khandr: Faction-less?
[11:48] Rober1236 Jua: Faction Free
[11:48] Carolyn Saarinen: For newcomers we are trying to decide if we need to be a faction in order to work towards getting rid of factions
[11:48] StuiChicanne Darkstone: but will people take us seriously if we are too blunt about our wish to de-faction the space ?
[11:48] Carolyn Saarinen: Fac Off?
[11:48] Lilith Ivory: in Germany we have "The good Guys" not a big faction till now but existing ;-)
[11:48] Micael Khandr: I kind of like the idea . . of a faction dedicated to eliminating factions
[11:48] Rober1236 Jua: I am all for anarchist striving
[11:49] Carolyn Saarinen: The Eliminators!
[11:49] Rober1236 Jua: Ultimately the goal is a society without any rule or power
[11:49] Rober1236 Jua: just imagination that anyone can use and play with
[11:49] Rose Springvale: i think Stui, that so long as we work within the system, respect shouldn't be an issue
[11:49] Micael Khandr: Transcendentals
[11:49] StuiChicanne Darkstone: I have something to say that I remember from one of my employers
[11:49] Kamilah Hauptmann: The Tyrants. >:)
[11:49] StuiChicanne Darkstone: we used to hold meetings called "Closedowns"
[11:50] Rober1236 Jua: Unfaction?
[11:50] Rose Springvale: (that's caledon, Kami :)
[11:50] Kamilah Hauptmann: (Arguing success? :) )
[11:50] Carolyn Saarinen: No Rose Caledon is The Tyrant, surely?
[11:50] StuiChicanne Darkstone: until some psychologically trained guy said "the name leads the participants down the negative"
[11:50] Rose Springvale: smiles
[11:50] StuiChicanne Darkstone: so we had to call it Team talk
[11:50] Rose Springvale: ewww
[11:50] Carolyn Saarinen: Bleh
[11:50] StuiChicanne Darkstone: to embraced the positive side
[11:50] Rose Springvale: i'm all for positive
[11:51] Rose Springvale: but not too touch feely lol
[11:51] Rose Springvale: oh .. we could go back to the Snow Crash terms...and be the Deliverators
[11:51] StuiChicanne Darkstone: can we call it Warm hugs ?
[11:51] StuiChicanne Darkstone: :)
[11:51] Carolyn Saarinen: "Touchy-Feely"? Nah
[11:51] Rober1236 Jua: So have we decided to be a Faction or not?
[11:51] StuiChicanne Darkstone: we call call it "squeeze a boob"
[11:52] Carolyn Saarinen: Dunno
[11:52] Micael Khandr: Librators . . ?
[11:52] Rose Springvale: well, mechanically
[11:52] Patroklus Murakami: what is the problem you see with the faction system? is it that it promotes conflict in your opinion? or that factions are not representative of their members? or some other issue? i'm not clear what the problem you are trying to solve
[11:52] Micael Khandr: liberators
[11:52] PatriciaAnne Daviau is Online
[11:52] Rober1236 Jua: Okay if I could impose some kind of firm
[11:52] Rose Springvale: we need to have enough people to form one. Yes Pat, all of those
[11:52] Rober1236 Jua: first the debate on being a Faction
[11:52] Rober1236 Jua: then the vote
[11:52] Rose Springvale: Rober
[11:52] StuiChicanne Darkstone: faction is division
[11:52] Rober1236 Jua: then maybe a week or two for the name
[11:52] Rober1236 Jua: Yes Rose?
[11:52] StuiChicanne Darkstone: unity is better
[11:52] Rose Springvale: we have to have enough people to form the faction.. 10% of the voting population
[11:53] Patroklus Murakami: so, do you seek to abolish factions or just not base the electoral system on them?
[11:53] Rose Springvale: so roughly 11 people need to say, yes, i want to be part of that group
[11:53] Kamilah Hauptmann: Rose, what were the land requirements for a number of voting members per 'household'?
[11:53] Patroklus Murakami: (tell me if I'm asking too many questions!)
[11:53] StuiChicanne Darkstone: we wish to lead people down a better path :)
[11:53] Rober1236 Jua: I yeld to the Getlewoman from SL on the matter of representation
[11:53] StuiChicanne Darkstone: plain and simple
[11:53] Rose Springvale: lolol
[11:53] Carolyn Saarinen: Sure Rober, only problem is that name is the only thing about a Group you can't change, so we can't form one without it.
[11:53] Rose Springvale: Pat, that's a good question, and from my personal viewpoint, both
[11:53] Rober1236 Jua: Well as for size, since we are kind of radcial we can break the rule here
[11:53] Rober1236 Jua: agreed?
[11:54] Rober1236 Jua: Since we are an unfaction anyways
[11:54] Rose Springvale: Rober
[11:54] Rose Springvale: smiels
[11:54] Rose Springvale: nooo
[11:54] Rose Springvale: we have to work within the established rules of CDS
[11:54] Rose Springvale: because we are talking about the role of the bigger government
[11:54] StuiChicanne Darkstone: The factionless faction :)
[11:54] Rose Springvale: ther are currently 3 active factions
[11:54] Carolyn Saarinen: No I mean LL SL Groups, you can't change the name.
[11:54] Rober1236 Jua: But were are factionless
[11:55] You decline Cienega Soon Gallery, Misali (146, 54, 21) from A group member named Cienega Soon.
[11:55] Rose Springvale: AA has had representation based on its population, so this is the firs election the AA citizens will vote in
[11:55] Kamilah Hauptmann: Rose, what were the land requirements for a number of voting members per 'household'?
[11:55] Rose Springvale: Kami, groups who own land
[11:55] Patroklus Murakami: i can understand wanting to change the faction system for elections. but surely abolishing factions means removing the right to free association? i assume you don't mean that?
[11:55] Rose Springvale: 128m per person
[11:55] Rose Springvale: didn't say that
[11:55] Rose Springvale: associeat where ever and whenever
[11:55] Rober1236 Jua: So if you don't have land you can't vote?
[11:56] Carolyn Saarinen: that's another bug
[11:56] Rose Springvale: that is the CDS system. As you know AA has always been open to all participants
[11:56] Rose Springvale: another reason for an AA faction
[11:56] Rose Springvale: to provide representation to the non landed people
[11:57] Rober1236 Jua: Yes I don't own land
[11:57] Rose Springvale: through representation yes, but still an opportunity to be heard
[11:57] StuiChicanne Darkstone: AA is Love :)
[11:57] Patroklus Murakami: with the greatest of respect, i think that an 'AA' faction sounds like quite a divisive idea
[11:57] Rober1236 Jua: perhaps I am not appropriate here
[11:57] Rose Springvale: you are fine
[11:57] Carolyn Saarinen: but those not owning land can't join any faction AA based or not , under CDS rules
[11:57] Rose Springvale: and helpful
[11:57] Kalli Birman is Offline
[11:57] Patroklus Murakami: AA v. 'old' CDS
[11:57] Rober1236 Jua: oh well
[11:57] StuiChicanne Darkstone: that's a matter of interpretation Pat
[11:57] StuiChicanne Darkstone: depends where you view it from
[11:57] Kalli Birman is Online
[11:57] Rose Springvale: Rober, hang with us. :)
[11:58] Rose Springvale: CDS is already divided
[11:58] StuiChicanne Darkstone: the result is inclusion
[11:58] Kamilah Hauptmann: Shall I see if Des Shang wants a vote? He's a member of my household group aftr all. :)
[11:58] Carolyn Saarinen: CDS hd/has 4 factions without any CDS input
[11:58] Rose Springvale: AA input
[11:58] Carolyn Saarinen: yes
[11:58] Carolyn Saarinen: 4 factions already
[11:59] Rose Springvale: The group rules would permit that Kami
[11:59] Kamilah Hauptmann: It would at the very least add a level of hilarity. :)

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