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The UK&#8217;s most popular wine personality, as measured not just in terms of his wine credentials, but also his reach through TV, must be Oz Clarke.
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<p>The UK&#8217;s most popular wine personality, as measured not just in terms of his wine credentials, but also his reach through TV, must be <a class="zem_slink" title="Oz Clarke" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oz_Clarke">Oz Clarke</a>.</p>
<p>I have just discovered that his &#8216;Buddy TV&#8217; format has been adapted further in a programme to be called &#8220;<strong>Oz And Hugh Raise The Bar</strong>&#8221; on BBC2. He has obviously moved on from Mr Top Gear (who is probably still playing with his toys in his own series) to match him with <a class="zem_slink" title="Hugh Dennis" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Dennis">Hugh Dennis</a> again (after their Christmas special last year).</p>
<p>According to <a href="http://m.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/a269458/bbc-two-announces-new-factual-shows.html">my sources</a> (aka <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=oz+hugh+raise+the+bar">Google</a>):</p>
<blockquote><p>Wine expert Oz Clarke and comedian Hugh Dennis will set up a bar serving only local UK produce &#8230;(and) will travel the UK and Ireland to discover the best British drinks and snacks and purchase them as stock for their respective bars.</p></blockquote>
<p>I look forward to giving it a chance. I&#8217;m sure there are lots of interesting things out there, but I hope there isn&#8217;t too much just-for-television fake drama and silliness.</p>
<p>It is interesting to see that the two most prominent UK wine personalities are now Oz Clarke and <a class="zem_slink" title="Olly Smith" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olly_Smith">Olly Smith</a>, who made their name on TV with wine but are now moving away into more general &#8216;winetertainment&#8217; (with Olly on Iron Chef UK, and I&#8217;m sure more things to come). Hopefully it means their appeal will grow and they can bring wine to new audiences and get a proper wine programme commissioned again.</p>
<p>(Note: the programme is to be made by <a href="http://www.rdfmedia.com/news.aspx">RDF Media</a> &#8211; who I hope will inject more energy promoting this than they do updating their own site as I can find no reference to it there)</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 07:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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When anyone says &#8220;I just don&#8217;t have the palate for wine&#8221; or &#8220;I can&#8217;t taste all those &#8216;things&#8217; other people talk about in wine&#8221; I try to point out that we pretty much all have exactly the same ability to taste, but we all have different experiences, vocabulary and confidence.




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<p>When anyone says &#8220;I just don&#8217;t have the palate for wine&#8221; or &#8220;I can&#8217;t taste all those &#8216;things&#8217; other people talk about in wine&#8221; I try to point out that we pretty much all have exactly the same ability to taste, but we all have different experiences, vocabulary and confidence.</p>
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<p>It isn&#8217;t that they CAN&#8217;T taste wines, they simply are not used to analysing what they are experiencing, often because they haven&#8217;t really bothered before.</p>
<p>It is a matter of education, not in the sense of classes and diplomas, but just taking the time to taste, and most importantly, SMELL things.</p>
<h3>The importance of smell to the enjoyment of wine starts early.</h3>
<p>I was reminded of this only yesterday morning. On our arrival at the airport (at 6 am after an overnight flight), a fellow passenger managed to smash a 1.5 litre bottle of dark rum he had bought Duty Free (probably for the best!).</p>
<p>I barely paid attention, though noticed &#8216;a&#8217; smell.</p>
<p>My wife complained about the &#8220;smell of alcohol&#8221;</p>
<p>But my daughter (only 5, and rather hyper after the flight) said, &#8220;What was that Daddy? I think it was a bottle of <a class="zem_slink" title="Vanilla" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla">vanilla</a>. I used some with grandma and that&#8217;s what it smelled like. Why did he have a bottle of vanilla, Daddy&#8221;</p>
<p>She&#8217;s absolutely right. It DID smell of vanilla more than anything else (that she&#8217;s used to smelling).</p>
<p>When was the last time you took a second to &#8217;smell&#8217; vanilla? I&#8217;m off to do it right now!</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s encourage kids to smell and discuss food, ingredients &#8230;  even wine &#8230; then hopefully we will all enjoy experiencing things more, even alcohol spillages at airports.<br />
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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The recent Imbibe show was a curious demonstration of the divisions in the alcohol business, and hopefully one that will encourage things to change.
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<p>The recent <a href="http://imbibe.com/2010">Imbibe show</a> was a curious demonstration of the divisions in the alcohol business, and hopefully one that will encourage things to change.</p>
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<p>In a lightly packed <a href="http://www.eco.co.uk/">Earls Court 2</a>,<a href="http://www.imbibe.com"> Imbibe Magazine</a> brought together players from the worlds of wine, spirits, beer (mainly from the craft world, not big brands) and a few mixed others such as <a href="http://www.teapigs.co.uk/">Teapigs</a> (&#8230; though strangely no coffee I could find). It was very interesting to see the effort spent not just on the exhibition, but also the 5(!) separate seminar areas.</p>
<p>I was only there briefly, mainly to say hello to people I know and to get to know the event. I was not disappointed in that &#8211; lots of familiar faces were among the crowd, but the crowd itself also included a lot of new faces you do not see at existing events &#8211; bar staff!</p>
<p>Therein lies the rub.</p>
<p>Bar staff do not <span style="text-decoration: underline;">buy</span> alcohol for their business, but they do <span style="text-decoration: underline;">influence</span> what alcohol is sold to consumers. In other words, the main behaviour that this show might influence was <strong>not</strong> the action of <span style="text-decoration: underline;">getting products listed</span> in bars and restaurants, but <span style="text-decoration: underline;">ensuring the products are poured when they already are</span>.</p>
<h3><em>Almost all wine stands had tables around the edges of the stand, &#8230; creating a physical and psychological barrier</em></h3>
<p><a href="http://www.imbibe.com"><img class="alignleft" title="Imbibe 2010" src="http://imbibe.com/img/imbibe2010/logo-2010event.png" alt="" width="220" height="220" /></a>In the case of spirits, with lots of BIG brands with broad distribution, this is very useful. It is a chance to encourage existing customers to recall your brand and incentivise them to sell more &#8230; but that only works if the staff already know the brand and have it available to them. With tens of thousands of wines available in the UK alone, this is highly unlikely for the wine brands.</p>
<p>What particularly stood out for me was the difference in the approach to customers taken by the spirits brands compared to the wine stands, and it seems I was not alone in this view &#8211; even the editor of Imbibe, Chris Losh agrees (see his <a href="http://www.just-drinks.com/comment/comment-wine-so-much-still-to-learn-from-spirits_id101484.aspx">Just-Drinks column here</a>)</p>
<p>Almost all wine exhibitors had tables around the edges of the stand, each with dozens of different wines available to taste, creating a physical and psychological barrier between taster/outside and exhibitor/inside. They probably intended this as a benefit; &#8220;Look at all my wines you can try.&#8221; Instead, it looked more like a gauntlet for any passing attendee to run.</p>
<p>Wine was coming across as challenging, testing and exclusive, something to be examined and learned rather than enjoyed.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the spirits stands were focused on many fewer products, maybe even just one. Their boundaries were open &amp; inviting. The stands themselves included music, carpets, sofas, mock bars, tables and chairs. Attendees were invited to join in, rest and spend time experiencing the brand &#8230; and maybe also interacting with the exhibitor.</p>
<p>Which do you think might be the more effective of the two?</p>
<p>In the end, wine stands often had more staff than visitors, whilst dozens of visitors congregated in groups to chat and enjoy themselves on the spirits stands.</p>
<p>There will always be the issue of budgets. Spirits are products with big margins and bigger promotional budgets. They can afford to work on loyalty and relationships because they often already have distribution for their products, and drinkers expect to find the same brands in each bar. This forces new products to do the same and arrive not only with unique products, but with marketing plans and promotional budgets. It means that launching a new spirit brand is expensive, but the rewards are potentially high.</p>
<p>How might wine replicate some of that success?</p>
<p>It may be time for wine to stop trying to &#8220;educate&#8221; customers and consumers and more time entertaining and involving them.</p>
<p>If the Imbibe exhibition has another edition, I wonder if we will see a different approach?</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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What is a &#8220;social media sale&#8221;? The answer is simple. A bottle, or more, of wine purchased where a post on a social media platform significantly influenced that behaviour. Measuring how much of this happens is another thing altogether.
Did this wine sell because of Social Media? YES! (see below)
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<p><a href="http://www.oddbins.com/products/productDetail.asp?productcode=77957"><img class="alignleft" title="El Cayado" src="http://www.oddbins.com/product_images/Detail/77957_bottle.jpg" alt="" width="120" height="200" /></a>What is a &#8220;social media sale&#8221;? The answer is simple. A bottle, or more, of wine purchased where a post on a social media platform significantly influenced that behaviour. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Measuring</span> how much of this happens is another thing altogether.</p>
<p>Did this wine sell because of Social Media? YES! (see below)</p>
<p>Would a survey on &#8220;Does Social Media affect your wine buying habits?&#8221; have picked it up? I HIGHLY doubt it.</p>
<p>This is why I find critics of the potential of new channels to promote and help sell wine frustrating (as discussed on <a href="http://www.rebeccagibb.com/index.php/site/posts/wine_blogs_does_anybody_read_them/">Rebecca Gibb&#8217;s interesting post here</a>).</p>
<p>I happen to like wine (you may know that). I happen to enjoy Spanish wines (you may know that too). I like to explore the subject, and read others&#8217; suggestions. I also respect certain writers more than others, so when they recommend something, I listen.</p>
<p>All these things came together when Jamie Goode recommended the &#8220;<a href="http://www.wineanorak.com/wineblog/wine-reviews/a-thrillingly-good-inexpensive-mencia">thrillingly good mencia</a>&#8221; called <strong>El Cayado</strong> on his blog, so I set out to try and taste it.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for me, <a href="http://www.oddbins.com">Oddbins</a> is a pale imitation of its former self*. There are no shops in my part of London, and when I did make a trek to find an open shop, neither of the shops I found had even heard of it, never mind stocked it. I was out of luck. I gave up. One LOST &#8220;social media sale&#8221;.</p>
<p>Then a few weeks later I was on my way to a friend&#8217;s house for a BBQ and forgot to bring a bottle (it happens to the best of us). I knew there was an Oddbins around the corner so I popped in and asked the staff if they had &#8220;that new Mencia on their list?&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;No, sorry sir&#8221; came the answer. Then I turned around and I happened to see a <span style="text-decoration: underline;">whole shelf</span> of these wines. Oh dear! Almost ANOTHER lost &#8220;social media sale&#8221;.</p>
<p>I did pick up a bottle and gave it as a gift to my friends, along with the disclaimer that I had not tried it myself, but that it came highly recommended by someone I trust. Finally, <strong>1 GAINED &#8220;social media sale&#8221;.</strong></p>
<p>1 week later I received an email from my friend saying;</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>&#8220;</strong><strong><em>Hope you don’t mind me asking but over the weekend we opened the red wine you very kindly gave us the other week – and I have to say it was amazing. Hit all the right notes. &#8230; (we) both loved this one, wondered &#8230; where I could get a case from?&#8221;</em></strong></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>BINGO</strong>! [Robert does a little "social media wine sales rock!" dance]</p>
<p>Now, if you ask my friend &#8230; &#8220;Do you use the internet to source wines?&#8221;, guess what her answer will be? No!</p>
<p>You tell me, can you imagine any other ways that blogs, twitter, facebook et al might also influence people directly or indirectly to buy wine? Of course you can.</p>
<p>Saying that it is hard to measure what effect blogs and twitter have on wine sales is one thing, saying that they<a href="http://www.wineintelligence.com/2010/07/15/where-are-uk-consumers-getting-their-information-about-wine-from-hint-it%E2%80%99s-not-facebook/"> don&#8217;t influence behaviour</a> because you can&#8217;t measure it is another.</p>
<p>Have you got any stories of how you, or your friends, have bought (or sold) wine as a direct result of online content? Do let me know so we can help to correct this perception.</p>
<p>* This is true of the stock in the shops, the motivation of most of the staff I have met, and &#8230; what the hell is going on with their website? Note, for example, that this <a href="http://www.wineanorak.com/wineblog/wine-reviews/a-thrillingly-good-inexpensive-mencia">MENCIA</a> wine is categorised as 100% Monastrell.</p>
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In the last few days, I&#8217;ve come to a realisation that there is something unpleasant that wine &#38; football share, and it involves people falling over.
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<p>In the last few days, I&#8217;ve come to a realisation that there is something unpleasant that wine &amp; football share, and it involves people falling over.</p>
<p>(Yes, this is my gratuitous <a class="zem_slink" title="2010 FIFA World Cup" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIFA_World_Cup">World Cup</a> post, including a tenuous, though hopefully interesting, link to wine).</p>
<p>I decided a long time ago, following the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heysel_Stadium_disaster">Heysel Stadium Disaster</a> to be precise, that I didn&#8217;t really care for football, a.k.a. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_football">soccer</a> (or most sports to be honest). However, I do care about <span style="text-decoration: underline;">sport</span> in general, particularly with regard to making sure my kids enjoy a healthy and fun lifestyle. I do enjoy watching occasional, hopefully high quality, games at the final of big events such as <a class="zem_slink" title="The Championships, Wimbledon" rel="homepage" href="http://www.wimbledon.org/">Wimbledon</a>, the <a class="zem_slink" title="Olympic Games" rel="homepage" href="http://www.olympic.org/">Olympics</a> and the <a href="http://www.rydercup.com/2010/">Ryder Cup</a>. I rarely care who wins, I just enjoy the moment, the excitement and, I hope, the spectacle of sportsmanship.</p>
<p>So, like I said, I don&#8217;t like football.</p>
<p>I did watch some of the World Cup, particularly as I had some <a href="http://thirstforrioja.co.uk">personal stake</a> in Spain doing well, and so I thought I would use the opportunity to let my 5 year-old daughter stay up late to watch her very first World Cup Final. What an opportunity.</p>
<p>What a mistake!</p>
<p>Fouls, dirty play, few chances and, in general, a poor showcase for the sport. She went to bed at half time excited and high on the adrenaline from the aggression rather than the quality of play.</p>
<p>What made it worse was the excuse by the Dutch coach <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8809048.stm">saying</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It was still our intention to play beautiful football, but we were  facing a very good opponent. &#8230; We did a good job tactically on them. We got into good  positions at times. It&#8217;s not our style, <strong>but you play a match to win</strong>.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Is that what I have to tell my daughter?</p>
<p>It reminded me that a few days earlier we had watched 7 year old boys at her school playing football in an early morning coaching session. In the 5 minutes or so that we were there, several kids not only fell over on the ground after fairly innocuous tackles, but lay there, clutching their legs and heads in absolute agony &#8230; until it was time to take the free kick. At one point, a child literally dragged his mate off the ball by the arm, and when challenged, he uttered these words:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;But that&#8217;s what they do in football&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Who are these kids&#8217; role models? Any guesses?*</p>
<p>(* <em>If there isn&#8217;t a football equivalent of the <a href="http://www.razzies.com">Razzies</a>, celebrating the most theatrical acting on the pitch, there should be)</em></p>
<p>Wine, or more generally, alcohol, suffers from a similar issue. What do kids think about wine? Where do they see it being consumed?</p>
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<li>On television &#8211; only when it is a major part of a plot, usually involving a drunken adult, probably doing something inappropriate, funny or violent.</li>
<li>In the pub or at parties &#8211; when they may be invited along where adults, not necessarily their parents, are likely to get carried away.</li>
<li>On the street &#8211; and none of us like seeing that.</li>
<li>At home</li>
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<p>If we want kids to have a healthy attitude to alcohol, we need to give them experiences and role models to use. This does not meet not drinking around children as some suggest. Don&#8217;t get DRUNK around children, but do show them how adults can enjoy their drinks responsibly.</p>
<p>Just as it is a shame that my daughter&#8217;s first major lesson about football was about yellow cards versus red cards, we don&#8217;t want their first lessons about alcohol to be about hangovers, aggression and car accidents. Hopefully we can be more positive.</p>
<p>If parents, or any of us, aren&#8217;t acting as fair role models, where else will children turn to for guidance? What you don&#8217;t want is to see your child, hanging onto his friend&#8217;s arm, falling to the ground saying:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;But that&#8217;s what they do in the pub&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>For more information, please check out the campaign being run by <a href="http://wineinmoderation.eu">Wine In Moderation</a>, a pan-European programme promoting responsible and moderate wine consumption</p>
<p>Other references:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aerc.org.uk/index.html">The Alcohol Education and Research Council</a>: See (&#8220;<a href="http://www.aerc.org.uk/insightPages/libraryIns0068.html">Why do people drink at home? An exploration of the perceptions of  adult home consumption practice</a>&#8220;)</p>
<p>[still trying to find research I once saw where UK consumers placed "To get drunk" at the top of a list of "Reasons why you drink"]</p>
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<p>It&#8217;s a bit if speculation, but I&#8217;m guessing that Virgin Wines is about to start targeting US consumers having been built up in the UK.</p>
<p>Since they started they&#8217;ve always been at <a href="http://www.virginwines.com">www.virginwines.com</a> which, when they started (as one if the longest lasting players in this space), was sensible as country specific domains such as .co.uk were still misunderstood and mistrusted.</p>
<p>It seems that they are transferring their existing site to the <a href="http://www.virginwines.co.uk">www.virginwines.co.uk</a> URL and asking bloggers who had included links to their old site to change all their links (a <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pita">PITA</a> for no specific reward other than doing a favour for our readers and their Google visibility).</p>
<p>Why would they do that? Presumably because they have separate plans for the .com URL</p>
<p>I have not seen any announcement about a US consumer launch, but it makes sense to expect one. It will be interesting to see how the model works in the complex US market, and what that means, also, for the UK business.</p>
<p>If they have a much bigger market they could end up simply sourcing more volume lines, or they could increase their buying power for more, small parcels of greater interest, we shall see.</p>
<p>Anyone know any more about this? Presumably someone at Virgin Wines is watching <img src='http://wineconversation.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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<div class='posterous_autopost'>Not much time to post this stuff at the moment, but I had a great evening last night on my (eventual) arrival to Logroño in La Rioja.
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<div>[I must say that <a href="http://www.vueling.com">Vueling</a> are not in my good books at the moment, and I hear similar stories from a lot of people. It&#39;s a shame, but maybe best stick with <a href="http://www.easyjet.com">EasyJet</a>!]</div>
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<div>Anyway, I met up with some friends in a restaurant called <a href="http://logrono.salir.com/el_portalon-portales_7">El Portalon</a> and I shared their &quot;chuleton&quot; with a number of bottles of great Rioja wine.</div>
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<div>The steak is a massive hunk of rib beef served with the outside fat beautifully charred to a soft creaminess, but virtually raw inside and presented on a HOT plate so you cook it to taste at the table. Beef, oil, salt. Simple. Effective!</div>
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<div>The wines were: </div>
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<div>Viña Tondonia Reserva 2000 (the mature, classical style from a not particularly great vintage and not showing the depth of flavour I associate with this wine),</div>
<div>Roda 1 2004 (a much more modern style, concentrated, lots of soft tannin and extraction, but still incredibly young),</div>
<div>Castillo Ygay Gran Reserva 2001 (a fabulous, rich, layered and still youthful wine).</div>
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<div>A great experiment I suggest you all try whenever you possibly can &#8211; and best tried by coming to Logroño yourselves! </div>
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<p>Sometimes the wine world seems baffling. Take the term &#8220;<a class="zem_slink" title="En primeur" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En_primeur">en primeur</a>&#8221; for example.</p>
<p>Every year, for weeks and months (and getting longer), the wine world is <a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23bdx09">abuzz</a> with the &#8220;campaign&#8221; to sell <a class="zem_slink" title="Bordeaux wine" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bordeaux_wine">Bordeaux</a> from the latest vintage. A small selection of wineries from the world&#8217;s most famous wine region generate massive enthusiasm for wines that only a handful of &#8220;experts&#8221; have ever tried, selling them years before they will be bottled and leave the winery, and for figures that make bankers weep for the fact their bonuses simply aren&#8217;t big enough.</p>
<p>It seems very odd.</p>
<p>Many point to this complex, elitist and expensive system to demonstrate how out of touch the wine world has become.</p>
<p>Yet, today I find myself in the middle of a series of other &#8220;en primeur&#8221; campaigns.</p>
<p><a class="zem_slink" title="Apple" rel="homepage" href="http://www.apple.com"><strong>Apple</strong></a><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"> is the </span></strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>master at this game</strong></span>. In the last few weeks we have seen the &#8220;pre-order&#8221; frenzy for both <a href="http://www.apple.com/ipad">iPads</a> and the <a class="zem_slink" title="iPhone" rel="homepage" href="http://www.apple.com/iphone">iPhone 4</a>. These are products only a handful of &#8220;experts&#8221; have ever tried, being sold to consumers days or weeks before they will be shipped, and for figures that certainly make YOUR bank manager raise her eyebrows.</p>
<p>This is all stage-managed to generate excitement, the illusion of scarcity, the social value of one-upmanship and the insatiable demand for innovation.</p>
<p>Maybe it is the rest of the wine world that is out of touch? We all like a bit of showmanship and prestidigitation from time to time, &#8230; don&#8217;t we!?</p>
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<p>I have lots of things I want to do with this blog, and my friends at <a href="http://www.gigantic-design.com">Gigantic Design</a> are helping me create a new look &amp; feel to help make them happen.</p>
<p>It will still take me a while to launch it, but while I make those preparations, here is a sneak-preview of the new <a href="http://wineconversation.com">WineConversation.com</a> logo which was shown at <a href="http://2010.londonwinefair.com/">London Wine Trade Fair</a> (LIWF) on the Access Zone stand.</p>
<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 415px"><img alt="" src="http://img.skitch.com/20100528-qswa12ux15crfe5enrhtt8b18.jpg" title="WineConversation.com logo" height="257" width="405"><p class="wp-caption-text">WineConversation.com Logo</p></div>
<p>What do you think?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d LOVE your feedback on it, positive and negative, before it is &#8220;baked-in&#8221; to the site. I like it and what it says (!), I hope you do too.</p>
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Last week, the brilliant Josh Hermsmeyer at Capozzi Winery (also known as @PinotBlogger) posted a controversial post entitled: Why I Quit Facebook, And Why Wineries Should As Well &#8211; it is well worth a read.
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<p>Last week, the brilliant Josh Hermsmeyer at <a href="http://www.pinotblogger.com">Capozzi Winery</a> (also known as <a href="http://twitter.com/pinotblogger">@PinotBlogger</a>) posted a controversial post entitled: <a href="http://www.pinotblogger.com/2010/05/17/why-i-quit-facebook-and-why-every-winery-should-as-well/">Why I Quit Facebook, And Why Wineries Should As Well</a> &#8211; it is well worth a read.</p>
<p>Josh manages to combine a great marketing mind with a brilliant passion for making wine, great technical knowledge and an ability to communicate (yes, a bit of a hero to me). It is just a shame that I may never get a chance to taste his wines. However, his posts are always worth reading.</p>
<p><strong>Having said that, I disagree with him on this one.</strong></p>
<p>The conclusion of his post is summed up as:</p>
<blockquote><p>Bottom line: Even if you never plan to advertise or otherwise leverage  Facebook’s “social graph,” <strong>You do not want your brand tainted,  even by association, by the sh*tstorm that is engulfing Facebook.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>His argument is that the kinds of activities that <a href="http://www.facebook.com">Facebook</a> has been accused of entering into should not be condoned, and that if you are a winery (or any business) on Facebook, you will be tainted by it by association:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230; there can be no doubt that the risks of maintaining a presence on, and  thus providing a tacit endorsement of, Facebook far outweigh any  benefits you can possibly think to imagine. Act accordingly.</p></blockquote>
<p>You can read his report and <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;hs=Sgx&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;tbs=blg%3A1&amp;q=facebook+privacy&amp;btnG=Search&amp;aq=f&amp;aqi=&amp;aql=&amp;oq=&amp;gs_rfai=">plenty other reports</a> out there about what Facebook is <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10125260.stm">accused of doing</a>, but essentially it seems to be about breach of trust. In his view, that breach is so serious that he simply cannot be part of the network. That is his decision. It is also the conclusion of many other influential individuals such as <a href="http://calacanis.com/2010/05/21/im-deleting-my-facebook-page-today/">Jason Calacanis</a> and <a href="http://www.quitfacebookday.com/">many thousands of others</a>.</p>
<p>I respect Josh&#8217;s principled stand. In the comments he says:</p>
<blockquote><p>Even if you are using Facebook just to have a conversation where your  customers are, you are tacitly endorsing the medium. I can’t do that  any longer. I owe the peeps more than just looking out for my brand’s  interests.</p>
<p>My actions are communicating to them louder than any wall post what I  value, what Capozzi values, and where we draw the line in terms of  where commerce ends and a trusting, worthwhile relationship begins.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wineries who are on Facebook may well be there simply to engage with their customers around the world. This is <strong>still</strong> one of the best places to do that, even if I do recommend that this is just a means of taking that relationship elsewhere (like a winery&#8217;s own blog).</p>
<p>Essentially, I don&#8217;t believe that having a business presence on Facebook &#8220;tacitly endorses&#8221; whatever may or may not be going on behind the scenes between Facebook and their advertisers with our data any more than running a local wine shop &#8220;endorses&#8221; dubious commercial property deals by banks.</p>
<p>Wineries NEED to communicate with their customers, and if the customers are on Facebook and are willing and eager to engage there, then wineries will have a presence there. IF there are privacy concerns, there is no &#8220;ethical duty&#8221; to disengage with the network. It is not the business&#8217; or brands&#8217; role to make decisions for their customers about these things. As long as they are part of the network they can &amp; should lobby for things to change and do their best to communicate this to their friends and customers.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>&#8220;The REAL issue is that this is a closed network that is trying to  justify, and monetise, itself &#8230;&#8221;</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>As I write this I hear that <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10157454.stm">new privacy arrangements</a> are being made by Facebook. I&#8217;m dubious that this will quell the discontent fully.</p>
<p>The REAL issue is that this is a closed network that is trying to justify, and monetise, itself by getting bigger and offering even more options to everyone. I don&#8217;t believe it can do this without getting too complex. It is getting so big that the revenues it needs to achieve become astronomical, encouraging &#8220;extreme&#8221; behaviour. We need to keep an eye out and complain, but not necessarily run away.</p>
<p>There is a precent for this. <a class="zem_slink" title="AOL" rel="homepage" href="http://www.aol.com/">AOL</a> grew exponentially by educating millions of us about the internet. However, eventually we grew tired of the walled playground and we left it for the more exciting <a class="zem_slink" title="World Wide Web" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web">WWW</a>. Facebook introduced many individuals and businesses to the Social Web. The time will come when many of them will cut the apron strings and venture off into the wider social world. But not yet.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Please read Josh&#8217;s full post AND the comments. This is a wonderful example of what kind of conversation a blog can create. This is Josh&#8217;s topic, but anyone can respond, disagree or agree, and he engages with all of them to clarify and refine the message.</p>
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