<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:blogger='http://schemas.google.com/blogger/2008' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005" xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1002051293619080052</id><updated>2026-10-22T08:25:33.821-07:00</updated><category term="Jesus"/><category term="Prophecy"/><category term="Jewish Roots"/><category term="New Testament"/><category term="Video"/><category term="Theology"/><category term="Law of Moses"/><category term="Old Testament"/><category term="Triunity"/><category term="Baptism"/><category term="Creation"/><category term="Heaven"/><category term="King David"/><category term="Messianic Judaism"/><category term="Moses"/><category term="Mt. of Olives"/><category term="Paul"/><category term="Archaeology"/><category term="Byzantine Jerusalem"/><category term="Christmas"/><category term="Ephesians"/><category term="Essenes"/><category term="Gospels"/><category term="Holy Spirit"/><category term="Israel"/><category term="Issues"/><category term="Jesus&#39; Endtimes Teaching"/><category term="Joshua"/><category term="Last Supper"/><category term="Laws of Noah"/><category term="Resurrection"/><category term="Revelation"/><category term="Ten Tribes"/><category term="Abraham"/><category term="Acts 15"/><category term="Advent"/><category term="Angel of the Lord"/><category term="Angels"/><category term="Ascension"/><category term="Bethlehem"/><category term="Caesarea on the Sea"/><category term="Church History"/><category term="Communion"/><category term="Daniel"/><category term="Divorce"/><category term="Fig Tree"/><category term="Galatians"/><category term="Genesis"/><category term="Geography of Israel"/><category term="Global Warming"/><category term="Greeks"/><category term="Hades"/><category term="Holiness"/><category term="Hosea"/><category term="Isaiah"/><category term="Jacob"/><category term="Jerome"/><category term="Jerusalem"/><category term="Jesse Tree"/><category term="Jezreel"/><category term="Joseph"/><category term="Judgment"/><category term="Magi"/><category term="Marriage"/><category term="Matthew"/><category term="Micah"/><category term="Millennium"/><category term="Mt. 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widespread in American Christianity.&amp;nbsp; But
is it true?&amp;nbsp; This is the idea that once a
person comes to faith and accepts Jesus as Lord, he is eternally saved, no
matter what may happen later in life.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;And
there certainly are many passages that talk about the eternal security of the
believer.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Perhaps the most popular is
found in Romans:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels, nor authorities
nor present things nor those about to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth,
nor any other created thing will be able to separate us from the love of God
that is in Messiah Jesus our Lord”&lt;/i&gt; (Rom. 8:38-39).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But what if a person later turns away from
this wonderful love of God?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;To
answer this question, we must understand what salvation actually is.&amp;nbsp; The New Testament word for salvation (from the
root &lt;i&gt;sodzo&lt;/i&gt;) means deliverance from
danger:&amp;nbsp; from shipwreck (Acts 27:20),
from illness (Matt. 9:22), from death (Matt. 27:42), etc.&amp;nbsp; But the main theological meaning is deliverance
from the wrath to come:&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“Much more then, having now been made
righteous by his blood, we &lt;u&gt;will be saved&lt;/u&gt; from the wrath of God through
him”&lt;/i&gt; (Rom. 5:9).&amp;nbsp; Being made right
with God now, by the blood of Jesus’ sacrifice, is what leads to that future salvation.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;But how do we get this righteousness that leads to
salvation?&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“But for the one who is not working, but having faith in the one making
the ungodly righteous, his faith is counted as righteousness”&lt;/i&gt; (Rom.
4:5).&amp;nbsp; Righteousness is attained through
faith.&amp;nbsp; This is why the Bible speaks of
being &lt;i&gt;“saved through faith”&lt;/i&gt; (Eph. 2:8).&amp;nbsp; This is often spoken of as something we
experience now, because as Hebrew puts it:&amp;nbsp;
&lt;i&gt;“But faith is the [present]
reality of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen” &lt;/i&gt;(Heb.
11:1).&amp;nbsp; Faith is the reality we currently
experience that points to this coming salvation.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;So even when salvation is spoken of as a present reality, as
it often is (&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“for by grace you have been
saved,” &lt;/i&gt;Eph. 2:8; also Rom. 8:24-25, etc.), that present reality is
pointing directly to a future salvation. And the connection between the two is faith. As Peter puts it: &lt;i&gt;“...who
by the power of God are being protected through &lt;u style=&quot;text-underline: double;&quot;&gt;faith&lt;/u&gt;
for &lt;u&gt;a salvation ready to be revealed at the end time&lt;/u&gt;” &lt;/i&gt;(1 Pet.
1:5).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Our salvation will be revealed at
the end.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And until then, our faith,
empowered by God, is what protects and keeps us for that coming salvation.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Here we see the vital necessity of faith in
keeping us for that future day of salvation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Some, tragically, assume they are in a right relationship of
faith even when they are not. Jesus addresses this directly in Matt. 7:23: &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never
knew you; get away from me, you who are practicing lawlessness.’” &lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;But what about those who &lt;u&gt;are&lt;/u&gt; in a right
relationship?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Is this a guarantee of
future salvation?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Or is faith something
that must be nurtured and maintained?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;In 1 Corinthians, Paul says:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“through which [gospel] you also
are saved by that word that I preached to you &lt;u&gt;if you hold fast&lt;/u&gt;, unless
you had faith in vain”&lt;/i&gt; (1 Cor. 15:2).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Paul says that they had in fact &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“had
faith” &lt;/i&gt;(or “believed”) in the past, which as we have seen is the basis of
salvation.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;He also says that they currently
&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“are saved” &lt;/i&gt;if they continue in that
faith. But that salvation can be threatened if they don’t &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“hold fast”&lt;/i&gt; to the gospel. This implies a slipping away from their
initial faith.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Paul is clearly teaching
here that salvation is something that can be lost. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Jesus put it this way:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“He who endures to the end &lt;u&gt;will
be saved&lt;/u&gt;” &lt;/i&gt;(Matt. 10:22).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Holding
fast or enduring is essential to maintaining that right relationship that leads
to salvation.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Salvation requires an
ongoing commitment on our part.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This
statement would be completely unnecessary if salvation was the result of a
moment of conviction, after which salvation could never be lost under any
circumstances. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Paul expressed the same idea: &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;“See, then, the goodness and
severity of God: on those who have fallen, severity, but on you, the goodness
of God—&lt;u&gt;if you continue in his goodness&lt;/u&gt;; if not, you, too, will be cut
off”&lt;/i&gt; (Rom. 11:22).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This statement
would make no sense if it were impossible for a believer to turn away from
God’s goodness and be cut off.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;A similar passage is in Colossians:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“But
now he has reconciled you with his fleshly body through death, in order to
present you holy and without blemish and blameless before him, &lt;u&gt;if you also
remain in the faith&lt;/u&gt;, established and steadfast, and not moving away from
the hope of the gospel that you have heard”&lt;/i&gt; (Col. 1:22-23).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is a message written to believers who
have already been &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“reconciled” &lt;/i&gt;to God
and are &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“in the faith.”&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;But remaining in the faith is not a
given.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;He says &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“if you also remain in the faith”&lt;/i&gt; and are &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“not moving away from the hope of the gospel.”&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;If it’s not possible to turn away from
the faith and leave behind the reconciliation we have with God through Jesus,
these words make no sense.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The writer of Hebrews expresses a similar sentiment: &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;“But
Messiah &lt;span style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: italic;&quot;&gt;was faithful &lt;/span&gt;as a son
over his house; whose house we are, &lt;u&gt;if we hold on to the boldness and the
proud boast of our hope&lt;/u&gt;” &lt;/i&gt;(Heb. 3:6).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Here again, he’s clearly speaking to believers who are already members
of the household of God.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But that
membership in God’s house requires us to hold on to the hope of the gospel, and
not abandon it.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Later he continues, &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“For
it’s impossible for those who, having once been enlightened, and having tasted
the heavenly gift, and having become partakers of a holy Spirit, and having
tasted the good word of God and the powers of a coming age, and having turned
away, to restore them again to repentance, as they are crucifying again to
themselves the Son of God and putting him to shame”&lt;/i&gt; (Heb. 6:4-6).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Surely those who have been enlightened and
tasted the heavenly gift and partaken of the Holy Spirit are believers.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But here he clearly says that they can turn
away from the faith and from the repentance by which they could be saved.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Jesus also said: &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“Anyone
who approves of me before people, the Son of Man will approve of him before the
angels of God; the one who has denied me before people will be denied before
the angels of God”&lt;/i&gt; (Luke 12:8-9).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;We
know that Peter committed this sin (Matt. 26:72), but he repented and was
forgiven (Matt. 26:75).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;What if he had
not repented?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Paul says much the same thing, though directed more clearly
at believers:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“&lt;u&gt;If we endure&lt;/u&gt;, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, that
one will also deny us”&lt;/i&gt; (2 Tim. 2:12). We must endure in faith to the
end.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But if we don’t, and we turn and
deny Jesus, we will not reign with him.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;These
verses are not talking about a season of doubt or struggle.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;They imply a point of decision that has led
to a public denial of Jesus:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;flipping
from belief to non-belief, denying the faith by which salvation is made
possible. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;If this is true, that maintaining our faith until the end is
something that we must do, does this turn salvation into a salvation by
works?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is a common criticism by
those who maintain the “one saved always saved” point of view.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But the Biblical debate over salvation by
works refers to &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“works of the Law,”&lt;/i&gt;
in other words, the requirements of the Mosaic Law:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“For we
consider a man to be made righteous by faith, apart from works of the Law”&lt;/i&gt;
(Rom 3:28, 3:20; Gal. 2:16, 3:2, etc.).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Faith, this teaches, is not a work of the Law. But it is a type of
work:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;a work of faith. &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“Jesus answered and said to them, ‘This is
the work of God, that you have faith in the one that that one [God] has sent’”&lt;/i&gt;
(John 6:29).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Works of the Law can make
no one righteous.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But the work of faith
is necessary for salvation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;THE REQUIREMENT OF OBEDIENCE&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Faith is not the only requirement of the New Covenant.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;As Jesus put it:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“But
why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ but don’t do what I say?” &lt;/i&gt;(Luke 6:46).&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt; &lt;/i&gt;Or as John puts it:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“By
this we know that we have come to know him: if we obey his commands”&lt;/i&gt; (1
John 2:3).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;A covenant relationship has
requirements for all parties involved:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;otherwise, it wouldn’t be a covenant, which simply means an agreement or
contract.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;One essential part of our
covenant with God is forgiveness: &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“If we
confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive sins for us and to
cleanse us from all unrighteousness”&lt;/i&gt; (1 John 1:9).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But is it possible for a believer to sin so
much or so deliberately that it is in effect a denial of God?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;As Paul put it:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“They
profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny him” &lt;/i&gt;(Titus 1:16).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This verse could also certainly apply to
those who were never true believers to begin with.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;tab-stops: 6.25in;&quot;&gt;But what about this verse in 1
Timothy:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“But if anyone does not provide for his own (family), and especially
(his own) household, he has denied the faith and is worse than a non-believer”&lt;/i&gt;
(1 Tim. 5:8).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Paul doesn’t say that this
is a person who never believed to begin with.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;To be &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“worse than a non-believer”&lt;/i&gt;
implies that this is a believer, but by his actions he has denied the
faith.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;tab-stops: 6.25in;&quot;&gt;We see the same logic in 2
Peter:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“For if they, having escaped from the defiling deeds of the world by
the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus the Messiah, but having again been
entangled by these things are overcome, this latter situation is worse for them
than the former”&lt;/i&gt; (2 Pet. 2:20).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If
they had never been true believers to begin with, how could they be in a worse
situation than that?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It’s only if they
had genuinely escaped the world by knowing Jesus and then turned back to &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“the defiling deeds of the world”&lt;/i&gt; that
it could be worse.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“For it would have been better for them not to have known the Way of
righteousness than having known it to turn back from the holy commandment that
was delivered to them”&lt;/i&gt; (2 Pet. 2:21).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Notice that Peter reproaches them for turning back &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“from the holy commandment,” &lt;/i&gt;that is, Jesus’ instruction to avoid &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“defiling deeds.” &lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;Yes, we cannot be saved by good deeds of
the Law.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But our evil deeds can
accumulate to such a degree that they are in fact a denial of the faith.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;tab-stops: 6.25in;&quot;&gt;As Paul says in 1 Corinthians 6:9: &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“Or do you not know that the unrighteous
will not inherit the kingdom of God?” &lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;Similarly,
in Galatians 5:21, speaking to believers, he lists a set of serious sins and
concludes:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“...of which I warn you in advance, just as I have warned you before,
that those doing such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;There is a lifestyle that must be the goal of all
believers:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“Pursue peace with all, and the holiness without which no one will see
the Lord”&lt;/i&gt; (Heb. 12:14). This holiness isn’t presented as an option.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Rather, it’s a required goal for all true
believers.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This doesn’t mean that
believers are immediately cut off because of a moment of sin.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Our covenant with God through the blood of
Jesus provides a remedy for sin.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But we
must take advantage of this provision in our covenant by repenting and turning
back to God.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The problem is when a heart
is hardened, and there is no more desire to repent.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This isn’t only a danger for those who overtly
turn away from God and publicly reject their former faith.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It’s also a danger for believers who secretly
stop fighting against sin.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;THE SIN OF THE UPLIFTED HAND&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;So where is the line we must not cross?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In the Old Covenant, it was the sin of the
uplifted hand, in other words, intentional sin.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“And the soul that does anything
with an uplifted hand [defiantly], from the native (Israelites) or&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;from the (Gentile) strangers, he is
blaspheming the LORD; and that soul will be cut off from among his people, for
he has despised the word of the LORD and has broken his commandment.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;That soul will be completely cut off; his
iniquity will be on him”&lt;/i&gt; (Num. 15:30-31). For this kind of intentional,
defiant disobedience, no sacrifice was available. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;This same standard is also applied in the New Covenant:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“For
should we willingly continue to sin after our reception of the knowledge of the
truth, &lt;u&gt;there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins&lt;/u&gt;, but a certain
fearful expectation of judgment, and a zealous fire about to consume his
adversaries. Anyone having rejected the Law of Moses dies without mercy on (the
testimony of) two or three witnesses. How much worse a punishment do you think
he will be worthy of who has trampled on the son of God and considered the
blood of the covenant unclean by which he was made holy, and insults the Spirit
of grace?”&lt;/i&gt; (Heb. 10:26-29).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is
the same standard we saw in the Old Covenant:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;willful, intentional disobedience to God.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;So what’s the answer?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Yes, sin can accumulate to the point where no sacrifice is
available.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Where is that point
exactly?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The key phrase here is &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“willingly continue to sin.”&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;This is not someone struggling with sin
and who later repents.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is someone
who has given up the fight and is perfectly happy to continue in sin without
any meaningful attempt to repent and change.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;This is very dangerous.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And if we
don’t warn sinners like these to repent, we become responsible for misleading
them.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;As God said to Ezekiel:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“And when a righteous
person turns away from his righteousness and does wrong, and I set a stumbling
block before him, he will die, for you did not warn him. He will die in his
sin, and his righteousness that he did will not be remembered. And his blood I
will require from your hand” &lt;/i&gt;(Ezek. 3:20).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The “once saved always saved” teaching provides false
assurance for those who turn away from faith or who willingly continue in
sin.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It claims that they can never lose
their salvation, while the Bible directly teaches that they can.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is dangerous not just for that person,
but also, as Ezekiel warns us, for those who fail to warn sinners because of
this false teaching. How much better to warn believers of the dangers of sin
and unbelief, so they can repent and be restored!&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;As God also said to Ezekiel:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“And if you warned him—the
righteous—that the righteous should not sin, and he did not sin, he will live,
for he was warned, and you have delivered your soul”&lt;/i&gt; (Ezek. 3:21).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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people think of paradise and heaven as one and the same.&amp;nbsp; But originally they referred to two
completely different places.&amp;nbsp; How
different? In the original languages of the Bible, heaven (or &lt;i&gt;“the heavens”&lt;/i&gt;) referred to the
atmosphere and everything above it. So we have the &lt;i&gt;“birds of the heavens”&lt;/i&gt;(Gen. 1:26, etc.),* &lt;i&gt;“the stars of the heavens”&lt;/i&gt; (Gen. 26:4, etc. ), &lt;i&gt;“the angels of the heavens”&lt;/i&gt; (Matt. 24:36), and &lt;i&gt;“the God of the heavens”&lt;/i&gt; (Gen. 24:7).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* Sometimes
translated the “birds of the sky.” But the original Hebrew word used is heavens (&lt;i&gt;shamayim&lt;/i&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;Paradise, on
the other hand, referred to an earthly garden: &amp;nbsp;the Garden of Eden. This came from the ancient
Greek translation of the Bible, where &lt;i&gt;“Garden
of Eden” &lt;/i&gt;is translated “Paradise.”* The word “paradise” comes from the Old
Persian &lt;i&gt;pairi-daeza&lt;/i&gt;, which came to
mean an enclosed garden, in other words, a garden enclosed by a wall.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;a name=&#39;more&#39;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* The
ancient Greek translation of the Bible, also known as the Septuagint or LXX,
was completed before the time of Jesus. It was influential in the early Church,
being quoted even in the New Testament.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;But by New
Testament times, &lt;i&gt;“Garden of Eden” &lt;/i&gt;(&lt;i&gt;Gan Eden&lt;/i&gt; or Paradise) was also used as the
name of the spiritual place where the souls of the righteous went after death.&amp;nbsp; This is still the case in Judaism today.&amp;nbsp; It was often described as a garden-like
environment, as it also is in Islam.&amp;nbsp; But
this, too, was a different place than the presence of God in heaven.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;The
difference between heaven and paradise can be seen in the New Testament.&amp;nbsp; When Jesus was on the cross, he said to one
of the thieves that were being crucified with him, &lt;i&gt;“Amen I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise” &lt;/i&gt;(Luke
23:43).&amp;nbsp; But three days later, after he
arose from the dead, he said to Mary Magdalene, &lt;i&gt;“I am not yet ascended to the Father”&lt;/i&gt; (John 20:17). &amp;nbsp;And he didn’t ascend until forty days later
(Acts 1:9).&amp;nbsp; This shows that paradise,
where Jesus’ soul went immediately after death, is a different place than the immediate
presence of the Father God in heaven.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;At that time,
many understood this spiritual paradise to be the “good” side of Hades (or
Sheol), where all souls went after death.* This is the implication of Peter’s
message:&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“[David] spoke about the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was
neither abandoned to Hades nor did his flesh experience decay” &lt;/i&gt;(Acts
2:31).&amp;nbsp; In other words, Jesus’ spirit
went to the paradise in Hades, but he didn’t stay there, but was raised up
again.**&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* Hades is
the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew Sheol.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;** This is
the basis of the line in the Apostles’ Creed that Jesus “descended into Hades.”
This phrase, sometimes translated “he descended into hell,” actually means that
Jesus descended to the good side of Hades, and has nothing to do with the place
of eternal punishment of the wicked (&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;Gehenna&lt;/i&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;In fact, Jesus taught directly that those who
believe in him would remain in Hades until the resurrection: &lt;i&gt;“I will build my Church, and the gates of
Hades will not prevail against it”&lt;/i&gt; (Matt. 16:18).&lt;i&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/i&gt;In other words, those who
believe in him will not be held in Hades forever, but will break out of those
gates in the resurrection.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;According to
Josephus, this multi-purpose view of Hades was also shared by the Pharisees:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: .3in; margin-right: .3in; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0.3in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: .3in; margin-right: .3in; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0.3in;&quot;&gt;They also believe that souls have an
immortal strength in them, and that under the earth there will be rewards or
punishments, according as they have lived virtuously or wickedly in this life;
and these [the wicked] are to be displayed publicly in an eternal prison, but
those [the righteous] will have the relief of returning to life. (Antiquities
18:14)*&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* According
to Josephus, the Pharisees taught that only the righteous will experience the
resurrection (Wars 2:163).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;That Paradise
and Hades were spatially close to each other can be seen in Jesus’ parable
about Lazarus and the Rich Man (Luke 16:19-31).&amp;nbsp;
The soul of the rich man, suffering in the bad part of Hades, calls out
to Lazarus, who is on the other, good side, also known as the “bosom of Abraham,”
another common name for Paradise (Luke 16:23-24).&amp;nbsp; But despite being in these two different locations,
they are close enough to have a conversation.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;This Hades
(or Sheol) was generally pictured in the Old Testament as down in the
underworld somewhere, an idea shared with many ancient cultures, including
ancient Rome and Greece.&amp;nbsp; But over the
years, the recognition that Hades (or Sheol) was a spiritual and not a physical
place led to some uncertainty about where exactly it was located. Some began to
put it in some distant place on the surface of the earth (1 Enoch 32).&amp;nbsp; Others felt it was more appropriate, as a
spiritual place, to locate it in one of the lower heavens, specifically in the
third heaven (2 Enoch 8, 3 Baruch 4).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;This last
view seems to have been the understanding of the apostle Paul. When he spoke of
a vision of paradise, he placed it in the third heaven: &lt;i&gt;“I know a man in Messiah more than fourteen years ago, whether in the
body or out of the body I don’t know, God knows, such a one was snatched up to
the third heaven… He was snatched up into paradise and he heard inexpressible
words which it is not permitted for a man to speak”&lt;/i&gt; (2 Cor. 12:2,4).&amp;nbsp; Though many assume that Paul is talking about
the highest heaven here, it’s important to note that he doesn’t say that this paradise
was in the presence of the Father God.*&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* This heavenly
paradise is known as the “upper Garden of Eden” or upper paradise in modern
Judaism.&amp;nbsp; In later years, some began to
teach that the Paradise of Adam and Eve had been moved up to the third heaven,
and would eventually be restored to the earth.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;To reconcile
these different ideas about the location of paradise, the Church developed a
teaching called the Harrowing of Hades.&amp;nbsp;
The idea is that when Jesus’ soul was in the underworldly paradise—the
“good side” of Hades—after his death and before his resurrection, he preached
the gospel to the righteous souls that were there.&amp;nbsp; These accepted the gospel and went with him
when he ascended into heaven.&amp;nbsp; So
according to this teaching, Jesus moved paradise from earth to heaven.&amp;nbsp; But even so, this new heavenly paradise was long
understood to be different than the direct presence of God in the highest heaven.&amp;nbsp; It wasn’t until 1336 that the formerly novel idea
that souls see God immediately after death was made a Church doctrine.*&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* Before
this decision was made, Pope John XXII (1244-1334) maintained the older
teaching that souls will not see the Father God until after the general
resurrection and Final Judgment.&amp;nbsp; Rather
they await the resurrection in the presence of Jesus:&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“having
the eager desire to depart [this life] and to be with Messiah”&lt;/i&gt; (Phil. 1:23,
also 2 Cor. 5:8).&amp;nbsp; Support for this idea
was found in the souls kept &lt;i&gt;“under the
altar”&lt;/i&gt; until the return of Jesus (Rev. 6:9). This is similar to the Jewish
idea of a heavenly Treasury of Souls (&lt;i&gt;Otzar
HaNeshamot &lt;/i&gt;or &lt;i&gt;Guf&lt;/i&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;The
Harrowing of Hades teaching, though, is not the only way to understand the location
of Paradise.&amp;nbsp; Another approach is to
assume that a spiritual place like Paradise is not located in any particular physical
place at all, or at least not of the kind we can currently understand. And so
talking about it as being under the earth or up in heaven is only an aid to
visualization, not a meaningful description of its location.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;But wherever
it’s located, paradise as it currently exists is only temporary. It will be emptied
at the time of the &lt;i&gt;“resurrection of the
righteous,”&lt;/i&gt; also known as the &lt;i&gt;“first
resurrection” &lt;/i&gt;(Luke 14:14, Rev. 20:5-6).&amp;nbsp;
This is the resurrection that will take place at Jesus’ return, when the
dead in Messiah will rise first: &lt;i&gt;“For the
Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of a chief
messenger and with the trumpet of God, and &lt;b&gt;the
dead in Messiah will rise first&lt;/b&gt;” &lt;/i&gt;(1 Thess. 4:16).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;Then, after
a blessed time with Messiah on the earth, a new paradise will appear—or perhaps
it will be the old one in a new guise. This will be in the New Jerusalem, which
is also described as &lt;i&gt;“the paradise of God,”&lt;/i&gt;
where the &lt;i&gt;“tree of life”&lt;/i&gt; will be
located, just like in the original Garden of Eden (compare Rev. 2:7 with Rev.
22:2,14,19).&amp;nbsp; In this way, paradise will finally
be restored to mankind after all the troubles and tribulation created by our sin.
But even here, this paradise on the &lt;i&gt;“new
earth”&lt;/i&gt; will be distinct from the &lt;i&gt;“new
heavens”&lt;/i&gt; above (Isa. 65:17,22; 2 Pet. 3:13, Rev. 21:1).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;For more on
this topic, check out my blog post on &lt;a href=&quot;http://totheendsblog.blogspot.tw/2013/11/hell-hades-and-gehenna-list-of-verses.html&quot;&gt;“Hell,
Hades, and Gehenna:&amp;nbsp; A List of Verses”&lt;/a&gt;
or my post on &lt;a href=&quot;https://totheends.com/dead.html&quot;&gt;Can the Gospel be
Preached to the Dead? (The “Harrowing of Hell” in 1 Pet. 3:18-20)&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;span style=&quot;color: #20124d; font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;Q:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;In Genesis 32:30, Jacob says,&amp;nbsp;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“I have seen God face to face.”&lt;/i&gt; Moses,
too, saw God &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“face to face”&lt;/i&gt; (Exo.
33:11). So how can Jesus say that that &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“no
  one has ever seen God” &lt;/i&gt;(John 1:18)?&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #20124d; font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;A:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;That’s a great question. It’s the same kind of question that the New Testament was written to answer.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;How is it possible that people had actually seen
God (&lt;i&gt;“And they saw the God of Israel,”&lt;/i&gt; Exo. 24:10), but also that he could never be seen (&lt;i&gt;“No man can see me and live,”&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;Exo. 33:20)?&amp;nbsp; And what can it possibly mean, for example,
that the “LORD” (&lt;i&gt;YHWH&lt;/i&gt;) stood there
with Moses (in Exo. 34:5) while the “LORD” (&lt;i&gt;YHWH&lt;/i&gt;)
passed by (or over) him (in Exo. 34:6)?&amp;nbsp; Passages
like these are mind-bending to say the least. They led to all kinds
of speculation in Israel about the nature and identity of God, including the
“two powers in heaven” idea that the later rabbis rejected.&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;a name=&#39;more&#39;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;The first verse that you mention, John 1:18, begins to
unlock the New Testament’s answer:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“No one has ever seen God; an only begotten
God, the one who is in the bosom of [or beside] the Father, that one has made
him known.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The New Testament’s
answer is that there are two distinct identities in heaven:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(1) the God no one has ever seen (or the God &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“who is in secret” &lt;/i&gt;as Jesus put it in Matt.
6:6), and (2) a begotten God, also known as the Son of God, who has revealed
this hidden Father.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Early Christians
understood this to mean that when the Bible speaks about people seeing God,
it’s referring to the begotten God, God the Son.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;So when Adam or Abraham or Moses or any of
the others saw God, they were actually seeing the Son of God, also referred to at
times as the Messenger (or Angel) of the Lord.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;So for example, when the &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“captain
of the Lord’s army”&lt;/i&gt; (Josh. 5:14) speaks as the “LORD” (&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;YHWH&lt;/i&gt;) to Joshua (Josh. 6:2), this was the Son of God appearing as
the Messenger of the Lord.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Or when
Ezekiel saw someone with the appearance of a man seated on the throne of the
chariot of God (Eze. 1:26), who then speaks as the LORD (&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;YHWH&lt;/i&gt;; Eze. 2:4), this too was the Son of God (compare Eze. 1:28
with Heb. 1:3).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This was who Moses and
the elders of Israel saw on Mt. Sinai (Exo. 24:10).&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Though this answer to the problem may seem to mean that there are two gods, as some Christian heretics understood it (notably the
Gnostics), orthodox Christians were always careful to explain that this Son of
God was not a different God.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;As Jesus
put it, &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“I and the Father are one”&lt;/i&gt; (John
10:30).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;How exactly the Father and the
Son (and the Holy Spirit) are one God has been the subject of lots of
speculation ever since.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;But this all grew from pre-Christian
speculation in Israel, based on the Hebrew scriptures, that there was some kind
of complexity or plurality within the one true God.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;For more on this topic, be sure to check out the article
about Jesus on our website with its links to several specific teachings on
the different appearances of the Son of God in the Hebrew Bible (the Old Testament): &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.totheends.com/jesus.html&quot;&gt;https://www.totheends.com/jesus.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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“rapture.” Many Christians have heard of the rapture of the Left Behind series
of books and movies.&amp;nbsp; This is the idea
that there will be a secret, first coming of Messiah in which he catches up the
believers into heaven. Only after that, after a “seven-year tribulation
period,” will he return in his second, public coming.&amp;nbsp; This teaching is quite popular right now in
conservative churches. But the idea of a secret rapture is quite recent, dating
  back only to the 1800’s.* What did Christians believe before that?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;a name=&#39;more&#39;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* This is part of the theological system known as
dispensationalism. Many dispensationalists teach not only this one, but two or
even three raptures.&amp;nbsp; For a critique of
dispensationalism, see my book:&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href=&quot;https://totheends.com/page9.html&quot;&gt;The Revelation of Jesus Christ to John&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 says:&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“For the Lord himself with a shout, with the
voice of an archangel and with the sound of a trumpet of God, will descend from
heaven, and the dead in Messiah will rise first; then we, the living who
remain, at the same time together with them will be snatched up [rapiemur] in
the clouds in order to meet the Lord in the air:&amp;nbsp; and in this way we will always be together
with the Lord.” &lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The word “rapture” comes from the Latin for &lt;i&gt;“will be snatched up”&lt;/i&gt; (&lt;i&gt;rapiemur&lt;/i&gt;) in this passage.* This idea of
the “catching away” or “snatching up” of believers is therefore a fully
Biblical teaching.&amp;nbsp; The language is also
quite clear:&amp;nbsp; we will meet the Lord in
the air amidst the clouds of the sky as he descends from heaven. There is,
however, no mention of it being a secret event or that we will disappear into
heaven with Jesus. Rather it plainly states that we will meet him &lt;i&gt;“in the air.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* Latin was the language of the official Bible translation
used in Western Christianity for more than a thousand years (the Latin Vulgate).
&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;So why is this idea so unfamiliar in traditional Christian
churches?&amp;nbsp; This is because of the many
debates about the end times that have taken place throughout Church
history.&amp;nbsp; Beginning in the 5th century AD
or so, traditional churches rejected the idea of a separate, first resurrection
of believers (the &lt;i&gt;“first resurrection” &lt;/i&gt;of
Rev. 20:5-6). This was because of their rejection of a future Millennium or
Messianic Kingdom in which Jesus will reign on the earth (Rev. 20:1-6).*&amp;nbsp; As a result, they came to understand 1
Thessalonians 4 as a general resurrection of all the dead.**&amp;nbsp; This would then be followed immediately by
the Final Judgment.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* This was in part due to the rise of anti-Semitism in the
Church. A future Millennium in which Jesus would reign from Jerusalem was seen
as “too Jewish.” However, this Messianic Kingdom on earth is the subject of
many Old and New Testament prophecies and is still taught in traditional Judaism
today. For more on the Church’s rejection of the Millennium, see our teaching,
&lt;a href=&quot;https://totheends.com/page18.html&quot;&gt;“Neglected Issues in the Debate About the Millennium.”&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;** Despite the fact that 1 Thessalonians only mentions the &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“dead in Messiah”&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;rising up at that time (1 Thess. 4:16).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;So what did the Church believe before that, before the
Millennium teaching was rejected?&amp;nbsp; Some claim
that the “catching away” of believers is mentioned only in 1 Thessalonians, and so is subject to interpretation.&amp;nbsp; But there is a very similar passage in
Revelation 11, when the two witnesses ascend &lt;i&gt;“up into the sky in the cloud”&lt;/i&gt; (Rev. 11:12).* The similarity is
even closer if we recognize that these two witnesses represent the entire Church: a popular interpretation that many Christians have held over the
centuries.**&amp;nbsp; But this, too, is not a
secret event.&amp;nbsp; It says that &lt;i&gt;“their enemies watched them”&lt;/i&gt; as they
ascended (Rev. 11:12).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* The word for sky used here (&lt;i&gt;ouranos&lt;/i&gt;) generally refers to that which is above, translated “sky”
or “heaven” according to the context. While this verse is often translated “up
into the heaven,” the mention of clouds indicates that this is the “first
heaven,” the lowest of the heavens, which refers to the air around us.&amp;nbsp; The Hebrew Bible always speaks of a plurality
of heavens, which include the atmosphere around us, the starry heavens above,
and the heaven above that in which God dwells.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;** This is an example of corporate personality:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;when a person or persons are used to
represent a group of people. Other examples in the Bible are Adam representing
mankind, Israel representing the nation of Israel, and the body of Messiah
representing the Church.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;There are many examples of people being “caught up” in the
Bible:&amp;nbsp; from Enoch (&lt;i&gt;“for God took him,”&lt;/i&gt; Gen. 5:24, Heb. 11:5), to Elijah (who &lt;i&gt;“ascended the heavens in the storm-wind,”&lt;/i&gt;
2 Kings 2:11), to Paul (who &lt;i&gt;“was snatched
up to the third heaven,”&lt;/i&gt; 2 Cor. 12:2).&amp;nbsp;
Paul’s experience of being &lt;i&gt;“snatched
up” &lt;/i&gt;is described using the same Greek verb as in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 (&lt;i&gt;arpadzo&lt;/i&gt;).&amp;nbsp; This same verb is also used of Philip’s
experience in Acts 8:39, when &lt;i&gt;“the Spirit
of the Lord snatched Philip away”&lt;/i&gt; (Acts 8:40).&amp;nbsp; Lot and his family had a similar experience when
they were &lt;i&gt;“set down”&lt;/i&gt; or “lowered
down” (&lt;i&gt;yanichuhu&lt;/i&gt;) outside of Sodom
after being taken out by the hand by angels (Gen. 19:16).* The clear
implication is that the angels flew them out of the city.&amp;nbsp; So the idea of people being “caught up” by
God or by angels is not strange to the Bible.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* For more on Lot’s experience with angels, see our teaching
&lt;a href=&quot;https://totheends.com/sodom.html&quot;&gt;“Sodom and Gomorrah.”&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Lot’s experience with angels helps us better understand
Jesus’ own description of his return: &lt;i&gt;“And
then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes
of the land will beat their breasts [in mourning], and they will see the Son of
Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send
out his angels with a loud trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones
from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other”&lt;/i&gt; (Matt.
24:30-31).&amp;nbsp; This passage doesn’t mention directly
being caught up in the clouds.&amp;nbsp; But if
angels come to take us somewhere, I don’t think we’ll be walking.&amp;nbsp; And if they gather us to Jesus, who will be up
in &lt;i&gt;“the clouds,”&lt;/i&gt; it’s a fair
assumption that we will be in the clouds with him, just as 1 Thessalonians
teaches.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;But where did Jesus and the apostles get this idea of
meeting Jesus in the air?&amp;nbsp; It wasn’t
their practice to introduce new doctrines, but rather to base their teachings firmly
on the Old Testament.&amp;nbsp; One of their
sources was a passage in Isaiah that also mentions the blowing of a loud
trumpet and the “gathering up” or “picking up” of God’s people:&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“And
you will be picked up one by one, sons of Israel. And it will be in that day
that a signal will be blown with a great trumpet, and those perishing in the
land of Assyria will come, and those scattered in the land of Egypt, and they
will bow down [in worship] to the LORD in the holy mountain in Jerusalem”&lt;/i&gt;
(Isaiah 27:12-13).&amp;nbsp; At first glance, this
may not seem to have anything to do with a resurrection.&amp;nbsp; But a few verses earlier, a strange passage is
found, here translated literally:&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“Your dead will live, my corpse, they will
rise.&amp;nbsp; Wake up and shout for joy, you who
  dwell in the dust”&lt;/i&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Isaiah 26:19&lt;/span&gt;).&amp;nbsp;
The verse is difficult, but it’s clearly talking about
resurrection.&amp;nbsp; And this is how the Septuagint,
the Greek translation of the Old Testament (also known as the LXX), understands
  this entire section.* It translates &lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Isaiah 27:13&lt;/span&gt;:&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“And it
will be in that day, they will blow the great trumpet, and those who have &lt;b&gt;perished&lt;/b&gt; in the country of Assyria and
those who have &lt;b&gt;perished&lt;/b&gt; in Egypt
will come and worship the Lord on the holy mountain in Jerusalem” &lt;/i&gt;(&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Isaiah
  27:13&lt;/span&gt; LXX).&amp;nbsp; According to this
translation, when the trumpet blows, the dead will be raised, and they will
come to worship in Jerusalem.&amp;nbsp; This is a
good example of the close relationship between the Septuagint and the teaching
of the New Testament.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* Why is the Septuagint important?&amp;nbsp; Modern scroll discoveries have shown that
many of the minor differences between the Septuagint and the Hebrew text (the
Masoretic Text or MT) are based on different Hebrew source texts. This means
that in many cases, the Septuagint may provide a more accurate understanding of
the original.&amp;nbsp; This was certainly the
understanding of the apostles, who often quote from the Septuagint in the New
Testament. There are many reasons to value the Septuagint.&amp;nbsp; Its translation of the five books of Moses
was completed about 250 years before the time of Jesus.&amp;nbsp; This was done with the approval of the high
priest in Jerusalem and under the authority of King Ptolemy II of Egypt.&amp;nbsp; The rest of the Old Testament was finished in
the next 150 years or so.&amp;nbsp; The Septuagint
was officially received by the Jewish community in Egypt, and celebrated with
an annual feast (Philo, &lt;i&gt;Life of Moses&lt;/i&gt;
2.41-42). Since few early Christians understood Hebrew, the Septuagint served
as the Old Testament for Christians for hundreds of years.&amp;nbsp; It’s still considered authoritative today by
Orthodox churches (Eastern Orthodox).&amp;nbsp; The
Septuagint only fell out of favor with Jewish religious leaders after the time of
Jesus because it so closely supported the Christian message.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Jesus had this same passage in mind when he described how
God’s people would be &lt;i&gt;“picked up one by
one,” &lt;/i&gt;as Isaiah put it (Isa. 27:12). In Matthew, he said, &lt;i&gt;“Then two men will be in the field; one will
be taken along and one will be left behind. Two women will be grinding at the
mill; one will be taken along and one will be left behind” &lt;/i&gt;(Matt.
24:40-41).&amp;nbsp; In many translations, it’s hard
to tell whether it’s better to be taken along or left behind.&amp;nbsp; But the range of meaning of the words used here
makes it clear: &lt;i&gt;“taken along”&lt;/i&gt; (&lt;i&gt;paralambano&lt;/i&gt;) also indicates “accepted”
and “received,” while &lt;i&gt;“left behind”&lt;/i&gt; (&lt;i&gt;aphiemi&lt;/i&gt;) implies “sent off” or
“abandoned.” Those &lt;i&gt;“taken along”&lt;/i&gt; are
those that will be caught up when the trumpet is blown and when the dead in
Messiah are raised.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;But while Isaiah mentions a great trumpet, the resurrection,
and being caught up, he makes no mention of meeting Messiah in the clouds.&amp;nbsp; Where does that come from?&amp;nbsp; It’s from Daniel 7:13: &lt;i&gt;“I was looking in visions of the night, and look: with the clouds [anani]
of the heavens, one like a son of man was coming, and he reached the Ancient of
Days and they brought him near before him.”&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;
This coming of Messiah on the clouds was so well known that the rabbis
considered &lt;i&gt;Anani&lt;/i&gt; to be one of the
names of the Messiah (Midrash Tanchuma Buber, Toldot 20:1; Midrash Tanchuma,
Toldot 14:2).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoFootnoteText&quot;&gt;But what about the &lt;i&gt;believers&lt;/i&gt;
meeting Jesus in the clouds?&amp;nbsp; For this,
we have to turn once again to the Septuagint (the LXX).&amp;nbsp; This same verse reads: &lt;i&gt;&amp;nbsp;“I was looking in a vision of
the night, and look: on the clouds of heaven, as a son of man he was appearing,
&lt;b&gt;and as an Ancient of Days he was coming,
  and those serving him were coming to him&lt;/b&gt;”&lt;/i&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Daniel 7:13&lt;/span&gt; LXX).&amp;nbsp; Here, the Son of Man is not being presented &lt;i&gt;to&lt;/i&gt; the Ancient of Days (the Father God),
rather he is coming &lt;i&gt;“as an Ancient of
Days,”&lt;/i&gt; in other words, he is coming as God.&amp;nbsp;
And who comes out to meet him in the clouds? &lt;i&gt;&amp;nbsp;“Those serving him were coming
  to him”&lt;/i&gt;—coming, that is, to meet him in the clouds (&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Daniel 7:13&lt;/span&gt; LXX).&amp;nbsp; These are the believers being caught up to
meet Jesus.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The rabbis were not unfamiliar with this idea of being
caught up to the clouds in the time of the Messianic Kingdom.&amp;nbsp; “Rav Nachman said, ‘What has been is what
will be’ (Ecclesiastes 1:9). Just as the Lord took Israel out of Egypt with
glorious clouds and carried them, as it is said (in Exodus 19:4), ‘I bore you
on eagles’ wings,’ so he will do for them [in the future], as it is said (in Isaiah
60:8), ‘Who are these that fly like a cloud?’” (Midrash on Psalms 48:5, also
Yalkut Shimoni on Nach [Isaiah] 503; similarly Midrash Tanchuma Buber, Tzav
16:1 and&amp;nbsp; Sanh. 92b).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;But what is the point of meeting Jesus in the air like this?
This reflects the ancient custom of going out to meet a victorious conqueror as
he drew near to a city and then accompanying him as he entered the city in
triumph.&amp;nbsp; This is just what the people
did with Jesus when he entered Jerusalem on Palm Sunday (Matt. 21:7-9).&amp;nbsp; But this time, it will be on a much grander
scale.&amp;nbsp; As Zechariah puts it, again
turning to the Septuagint:&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“And the Lord my God will come, and all the
  holy ones will be with him”&lt;/i&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Zech. 14:5&lt;/span&gt; LXX).*&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* As also in Rev. 19:8,14.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;So is the rapture a Biblical teaching? Yes, if we understand
it in the original sense, as referring to the one and only return of
Jesus.&amp;nbsp; But this is taught not only in one
passage of the Bible. This catching away and others like it are mentioned in
several different places. And the catching away when Jesus returns, the
greatest of them all, is firmly based on Old Testament prophecy.&amp;nbsp; Thanks to the Septuagint, we can gain a lot
more insight into how Jesus and the disciples understood this important coming event.
It is, as Paul describes it, &lt;i&gt;“the blessed
hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and savior, Messiah Jesus”&lt;/i&gt;
(Titus 2:13).&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;“Maranatha!”&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;(“Come, Lord
Jesus,” 1 Cor. 16:22).&lt;/p&gt;


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commandments”&lt;/i&gt; (Matt. 19:16-17).&amp;nbsp; But...wait!&amp;nbsp; Was Jesus really telling him that eternal
life comes by obeying the Law of Moses?&amp;nbsp;
It may sound that way at first.&amp;nbsp; But by
the end of the conversation, Jesus was talking about discipleship: &lt;i&gt;“Come follow me”&lt;/i&gt; (Matt. 19:21).&amp;nbsp; So then why does he tell the man to obey the
commandments? A common interpretation is that Jesus points to the Law as a reminder of our inability to keep its commands.&amp;nbsp;
But to this, the man responds: &lt;i&gt;“I
have kept all these things”&lt;/i&gt; (Matt. 19:20).&amp;nbsp;
And Jesus never contradicts him.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;a name=&#39;more&#39;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;This young man wasn’t the only one to claim he had fully
obeyed the Law of Moses. The parents of John the Baptist, for example, were &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“both righteous in God’s sight, walking
blameless in all the commandments and requirements of the Lord”&lt;/i&gt; (Luke 1:6).
They had fully obeyed the Law’s commands. The apostle Paul, too, before his
salvation, says he was &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“blameless
according to the righteousness that is in the Law”&lt;/i&gt; (Phil. 3:6).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And there were many others.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Obeying the Law was not impossible, as some incorrectly
teach.*&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* Being fully obedient to the Law didn’t mean you never
sinned.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Unintentional sins or minor
offenses could be atoned for by offering a sacrifice in the Temple of God in
Jerusalem.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But it did mean that you had
avoided intentional sins, for which no offering was available (Num. 15:27-31).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;But the young man knew that his obedience to the Law had not
saved him.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;So he continued, &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“What am I still lacking?” &lt;/i&gt;(Matt.
19:20).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Even perfect obedience to the
Law doesn’t bring salvation.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Why
not?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Because there is no promise of eternal
life in the Law of Moses.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;So then what are the promises of the Law of Moses?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Having many children, having abundant crops,
living in the land of Israel, having a long life, having victory over enemies, and
many others (Deut. 28:1-14). But these are all promises for this present life.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Eternal life isn’t one of them.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;For that, you have to go beyond the Law.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And that’s what Jesus was helping the young
man to see.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;At first, the young ruler assumed that all he needed was
some good deed, a &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;mitzvah &lt;/i&gt;as it’s
called in Hebrew:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“What &lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;good deed&lt;/b&gt; must I do to
have eternal life?”&lt;/i&gt; (Matt. 19:16). This idea came naturally to someone living under the Law of Moses. The good deed of honoring your
parents, for example, gets you the reward of long life: &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“that your days may be prolonged in the land which the LORD your God
gives you”&lt;/i&gt; (Exo. 20:12). &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;But for this young man to understand, Jesus had to take him beyond the Law. &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“Why are you asking me about
what is good?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;One alone is good” &lt;/i&gt;(Matt.
19:17). Or as Mark and Luke record it, &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“No
one is good but God alone” &lt;/i&gt;(Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Paul expresses the same idea by quoting the
Psalms: &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“Not one is righteous, not even
one”&lt;/i&gt; (Rom. 3:10 quoting Psalm 14:3). Even our righteous deeds are &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“filthy rags”&lt;/i&gt; in God’s sight (Isa. 64:6
KJV).* Some claim that Jesus’ response is proof that he isn’t God.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But he is instead pointing to a contradiction
in the man’s request.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Since we are not
good in God’s sight, it’s impossible for us to do good. Even our obedience to
God is tainted.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* The literal meaning in Hebrew is even more graphic: &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“All our righteous deeds are as the
[unclean] clothes of a menstruating woman”&lt;/i&gt; (Isa. 64:6). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;That’s when Jesus mentions obeying the commandments: &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“If you want to enter life, keep the
commandments”&lt;/i&gt; (Matt. 19:17).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; N&lt;/span&gt;otice
carefully, though, that he only mentions&amp;nbsp;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“life”&lt;/i&gt;
and not “eternal life.” This was a common Jewish teaching: that obeying the
commandments brings life. It comes from Leviticus 18:5: &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“And you will keep my statutes and my judgments [the Law] which if a
man will do them, he will &lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;live&lt;/b&gt; by
them.”&lt;/i&gt; Paul mentions this same teaching in Romans 10:5:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“For
Moses writes of the righteousness that comes from law, ‘The man who has done
these things will &lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;live&lt;/b&gt; by them.’”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In other words, he will live and not die as a
result of disobedience.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But this promise
of life concerns only this present life, not eternal life. &lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;And that’s exactly what Jesus is helping the
young man to see:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;that eternal life
is not one of the rewards given for obedience to the Law. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The commandments that Jesus goes on to mention are some of the most
important commandments in the Law: &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“You
will not commit murder, you will not commit adultery, you will not steal, you
will not bear false witness, honor your father and mother, and you will love
your neighbor as yourself”&lt;/i&gt; (Matt. 19:18-19). These are things that every
Jewish person knew from childhood (Luke 18:21).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; And t&lt;/span&gt;hey expected that obedience to these commandments would bring them life.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But the young man
wanted something more.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And that’s why he
asked, &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“What do I still lack?”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;This young ruler wasn’t the only Jewish person to realize the
limits of the Law of Moses. Today, too, Jewish people who accept Jesus know that
the commandments they’ve been observing all their lives did not and cannot
bring eternal life.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;For that something
else is needed.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And that’s why Jesus goes
on to say, &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“If you want to be perfect
[perfected or complete in the sense of reaching the goal, &lt;/i&gt;teleios&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;]...come, follow me”&lt;/i&gt; (Matt. 19:21). Eternal
life cannot be found in the Law.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It can
only be found by following Jesus.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;But this is no easy calling.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; The full verse says&lt;/span&gt;, &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“If you want to be perfect,
go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in
the heavens; and come, follow me” &lt;/i&gt;(Matt. 19:21).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It wasn’t just the rich young ruler that Jesus
said this to. &lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;He says it to
everyone:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“Any of you that doesn’t give up [or leave behind, &lt;/i&gt;apotassetai&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;] all his own possessions cannot be my
disciple”&lt;/i&gt; (Luke 14:33, also Luke 12:33).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Jesus was leading the rich young man into a completely new kind of
life:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;life in the Messiah.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; This is the only path to eternal life.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Unfortunately, the young man wasn’t willing
to accept the challenge. &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“He went away
grieved; for he was one who owned much property”&lt;/i&gt; (Matt. 19:22).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;This young ruler wasn’t the only one to turn away because of wealth.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;As Jesus went on to explain:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“Amen I
say to you, it’s difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of the heavens”&lt;/i&gt;
(Matt. 19:23). How difficult? &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“It’s easier
for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter
into the kingdom of God”&lt;/i&gt; (Matt. 19:24). Can a camel go through the eye of a needle?&amp;nbsp; Obviously not. Many have tried to evade Jesus’ clear meaning by claiming that there was a special gate in Jerusalem called the “Eye
of the Needle.” Since this was a small gate, they say, the camels had to kneel down to get through.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But this is a made-up story.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; Today we know a lot about the gates of Jerusalem, especially in the time of Jesus. And a&lt;/span&gt;s my archeology professor puts it:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;no such gate has ever been found or even
mentioned.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;No, Jesus was referring to the eye of an actual needle.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And his point, very clearly, was that it’s
&lt;i&gt;impossible &lt;/i&gt;for the rich to enter the kingdom of God—at least not without a miracle.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; A&lt;/span&gt;s he went on to say, &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“For men,
this is impossible. But for God all things are possible”&lt;/i&gt; (Matt. 19:26). &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;But not all have turned away from Jesus’ challenge.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;After the rich young ruler walked
away, Peter said,&amp;nbsp;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“We have left everything and
followed you”&lt;/i&gt; (Matt. 19:27). And in response Jesus promised, &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“Everyone who has left houses or brothers or
sisters or father or mother or children or lands for my name’s sake will
receive a hundredfold [now “in this time” according to Mark and Luke] and
inherit eternal life [“in the age to come” according to Mark and Luke]”&lt;/i&gt;
(Matt. 19:29).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;These are promises that
go far beyond anything found in the Law of Moses.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And they’re available to everyone who dares
to accept Jesus’ calling:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“Come, follow me”&lt;/i&gt; (Matt. 19:21).&lt;/p&gt;


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is from one of our recent seminars on the Book of Revelation. The question
assumes that the 70th week of Daniel 9:24-27 will take place in the future. This teaching is popular in conservative churches.&amp;nbsp; This is, however, a relatively recent
teaching, first appearing the 19th century.&amp;nbsp;
Before that, Christians taught that the 70th week of Daniel had already been
fulfilled. And they had good evidence to back it up, as mentioned in the answer
below. The original series of three questions and answers has been
consolidated to make for easier reading.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #20124d; font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;Q:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, times new roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;I heard the teacher say that Daniel’s seventy sevens [the
seventy weeks in Dan. 9:24-27] have been completed. Could you please clarify
the following questions:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;a name=&#39;more&#39;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;1) Starting from 445 BC with Ezra, regardless of what major
events followed, it doesn’t fit with the 490 years [the seventy weeks]. How is
it calculated that it has already been completed?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;2) Who is the person mentioned in Daniel 9:27 that makes a
covenant with the many? Which covenant is this, and when was it signed? What
does the last seven [the 70th week], which is divided into [two sections of] 3.5
years, refer to?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;3) The purpose of these seventy sevens (Daniel 9:24) relates
to Israel’s future, concerning the complete removal of sin, atonement for
wickedness, the establishment of eternal righteousness, the sealing of vision
and prophecy, and the events leading to Jesus’ establishment of His millennial
kingdom. Early Jewish Christians were still expecting this day. Therefore, the
last seven should refer to the final judgment at the second coming of the Lord,
because the appearance of the righteous seven years after the Messiah’s death
did not happen, and the destruction of Jerusalem also does not fit within the
seven-year period (it happened 37 years later). Interpreting this allegorically
seems far-fetched. So, should this refer to a future seven-year period, ending
with the final judgment of sin and Christ’s reign of righteousness? I just
can&#39;t agree that the purpose of the 70 sevens [the seventy weeks in Dan. 9] was
achieved at that time; at least prophecy was not closed at that time.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Isn’t the Book of Revelation a prophecy? Could
the teacher comment and provide some references? Thank you. –Theresa&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #20124d; font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;A:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;“&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;And&amp;nbsp;you will know and understand from the going out of the word to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until an anointed ruler [Messiah the prince] there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks&lt;/span&gt;”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;(Dan. 9:25).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;1) The &lt;i&gt;“word to restore and rebuild Jerusalem”&lt;/i&gt; (in Dan.
9:25) was issued in the seventh year of the Persian king Artaxerxes I (458-57
BC).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This was in the time of Nehemiah,
when Artaxerxes gave Nehemiah written permission to rebuild the city: &lt;i&gt;“And I
said to the king [Artaxerxes], ‘If it please the king, and if your servant has
found favor before you, send me to Judah, to the city of my fathers’ tombs,
that I may rebuild it.’.... And I said to the king, ‘If it please the king, let
letters be given to me for the governors of the provinces beyond the River,
that they may allow me to pass through until I come to Judah.’... And the king
gave them to me&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;”&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;(Neh. 2:5-8).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Then there were sixty-nine weeks of years (483 years) &lt;i&gt;“until
Messiah the prince”&lt;/i&gt; (Dan. 9:25) in about AD 25-26. This is when Jesus was
revealed at his baptism (John 1:31). &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;“And after the sixty-two weeks, Messiah will be cut off and
will have nothing” &lt;/i&gt;refers to the crucifixion of Jesus in AD 30 (Dan.
9:26).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;“The people of the coming ruler will destroy the city
[Jerusalem] and the holy place [the Temple]” &lt;/i&gt;(in Dan. 9:26) was fulfilled when
the Romans destroyed the city and the Temple in AD 70. This was also in
fulfillment of many of the prophecies of Jesus: &lt;i&gt;“Jerusalem, Jerusalem.... Look,
your House [the Temple] is being left to you desolate”&lt;/i&gt; (Matt. 23:37-38). &lt;i&gt;“For
the days will come on you when your enemies will throw up a bank before you,
and surround you, and hem you in on every side, and will level you to the
ground...”&lt;/i&gt; (Luke 19:42-44, also Luke 21:20-24, etc.).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;2)&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;“&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;And he will confirm a covenant for the many for one week, and for half the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering; and on the pinnacle of abominations [the Temple according to the LXX] will be one that makes desolate, even until its destruction; and when it [the desolation] is cut off, it [destruction] will pour out on the one causing desolation&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;”&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;(Dan. 9:27)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Dan. 9:27 actually begins with &lt;i&gt;“And he will confirm a covenant”&lt;/i&gt;
(&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;higbir&lt;/i&gt; in Hebrew).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is not the Hebrew word for making a
covenant, which is to &lt;i&gt;“cut”&lt;/i&gt; a covenant (&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;karat&lt;/i&gt;
in Hebrew).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Instead, this refers to
applying a covenant that is already in force.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;So then what &lt;i&gt;“covenant”&lt;/i&gt; is being confirmed here?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The &lt;i&gt;“covenant”&lt;/i&gt; (&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;berit &lt;/i&gt;in Hebrew) mentioned here is a word used only of covenants
with God.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This means that the &lt;i&gt;“he” &lt;/i&gt;who
confirms the covenant in Dan. 9:27 is God. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;So which of God’s covenants is he enforcing here, that
brings the destruction of Jerusalem and of the Temple? It is God’s covenant
with Israel—the Law of Moses—in which he warned over and over that they would
be punished for disobedience. This punishment was prophesied by Moses himself
(Deut. 28:49-68, 32:23-27).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;These
prophecies don’t only concern the first time that Israel was exiled, by the
Babylonians, but also a second time after that.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;This can be seen in Deut. 28:64: &lt;i&gt;“The LORD will scatter you among all
peoples.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;During the Babylonian exile,
they were scattered to only one or at most a couple of nations.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Only after the wars with Rome were they
scattered literally to all nations.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Isaiah also says clearly that they would be regathered a
&lt;i&gt;“second time”&lt;/i&gt; (Isa. 11:11). This means, of course, that they would be scattered
a second time (Isa. 11:11). This happened as a result of the Roman
destruction.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This prophecy in Isaiah is
directly connected with the Messiah both by Christians and by Jews: &lt;i&gt;“Then it
will come about in that day that the nations [i.e. the Gentiles] will resort to
the root of Jesse [the Messiah], who will stand as a signal for the peoples”&lt;/i&gt;
(Isa. 11:10).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But during this same time
of the salvation for the Gentiles, Paul says that a &lt;i&gt;“partial hardening has
happened to Israel,” &lt;/i&gt;a hardening that continues to our own day, but which one
day will come to an end (Rom. 11:25-26).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;This period in which the covenant is &lt;i&gt;“confirmed” &lt;/i&gt;by God is
one week, which in the context of Daniel’s prophecy implies seven years.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This matches exactly the length of the Jewish
Revolt against Rome (AD 67-73).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;God (&lt;i&gt;“he”&lt;/i&gt;)
is also the one who put an end to the sacrifices in the Temple &lt;i&gt;“in the middle
of the week”&lt;/i&gt; (Dan. 9:27). This is when the daily sacrifice (the perpetual
sacrifice) in the Temple was discontinued.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Josephus notes the exact day on which the daily sacrifices were stopped
(the 17th of Tammuz), which is exactly three and a half years after the start
of the war against Rome (&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;Wars&lt;/i&gt; 6.2.1
sec. 94).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;These sacrifices have now been
replaced by the blood of Jesus.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;3)&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;“&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;Seventy
weeks are determined concerning your people and concerning your holy city to
fulfill the rebellion and to destroy sin and to atone for iniquity and to bring
in eternal righteousness and to seal up vision and prophet and to anoint the
Holy of Holies&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;(Dan. 9:24).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Dan. 9:24 begins by referring to the &lt;i&gt;“rebellion”&lt;/i&gt; of
Jerusalem (&lt;i&gt;“your holy city”&lt;/i&gt;) that took place from Daniel’s time right up until
the time of Jesus.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This rebellion was
most clearly manifested by the rejection and crucifixion of Jesus in that
city.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The destruction of &lt;i&gt;“sin”&lt;/i&gt; and
atonement &lt;i&gt;“for iniquity”&lt;/i&gt; took place by the death of Messiah Jesus on the
cross.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This atonement has already taken
place, and can only take place once. As Hebrews reminds us, Messiah died &lt;i&gt;“once”
&lt;/i&gt;for sin (Heb. 9:28). This is what brought in &lt;i&gt;“eternal righteousness”&lt;/i&gt; for all
those who believe in him. There is no mention here of ending vision and
prophecy.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It says only to &lt;i&gt;“seal up
vision and prophet,”&lt;/i&gt; that is, to confirm the visions and prophecies of the Old
Testament by their fulfillment.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;God, in
other words, has set his seal of approval on these prophecies by bringing them
to pass.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Notice that the verse mentioned above in Hebrews (Heb. 9:28)
also says that &lt;i&gt;“he [Jesus] will appear a second time for salvation without
reference to sin, to those who eagerly await him.”&lt;/i&gt; This contradicts the
interpretation you mention (of Dan. 9:24) that Jesus will deal with sin at his
return.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Yes, early Jewish Christians were expecting the Millennium,
but they didn’t connect this passage in Daniel with that time, except for the
last phrase in Dan. 9:27:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;“And when it
[the desolation] is cut off”&lt;/i&gt; i.e. after Jerusalem has been restored, as is
happening right now in the Middle East, &lt;i&gt;“it [destruction] will pour out on the
one causing desolation.”&lt;/i&gt; This refers to the destruction of the worldly
political system descended from Rome (and tracing back to Babel) that will be
destroyed by Jesus at his return (see Revelation 18). &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The idea of putting the 70th week of Daniel far in the
future from Jesus’ day is not indicated anywhere in these verses.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It doesn’t say “and after many days” or
anything like that.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Rather it’s
presented as being in close sequence with the preceding 69 weeks.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is how it was clearly understood by
everyone in the early Church as well as by many among the Jewish people.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Josephus (1st cent. AD), the Jewish historian, who lived in
the time of the apostles, said that the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans
was the fulfillment of the prophecies of Daniel:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“Daniel also wrote concerning the Roman
government, and that our country should be made desolate by them” (&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;Antiquities&lt;/i&gt; 10.11.7 sec. 276).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Tertullian (3rd cent. AD) gives a detailed computation of
the fulfillment of the 70 weeks, which he says were completed when the Romans
destroyed Jerusalem:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“And thus, in the
day of their [the Romans’] storming [of Jerusalem], the Jews fulfilled the 70
weeks predicted in Daniel” (&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;An Answer to
the Jews,&lt;/i&gt; chap. 8).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Clement of Alexandria (3rd cent. AD) agreed:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“And Vespasian rose to the supreme power, and
destroyed Jerusalem, and desolated the holy place.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And that such are the facts of the case, is
clear to him that is able to understand, as the prophet [Daniel] said”
(speaking of the 70 weeks; &lt;i&gt;Stromata &lt;/i&gt;1.21).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Eusebius (4th cent.), the famous church historian, said that
the desolation of the Temple &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; the
abomination of desolation (mentioned in Dan. 11:31, 12:11, the &lt;i&gt;“abomination of
desolations”&lt;/i&gt; in the LXX of Dan. 9:27):&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;“…and how at last the abomination of desolation, proclaimed by the
prophets, stood in the very Temple of God, so celebrated of old…described in
the history written by Josephus” (&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;Church
History&lt;/i&gt; 3.5)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;In fact, Cyril of Jerusalem (4th cent.) said that those who
say the abomination of desolation is still to come are among the false messiahs
prophesied in the Bible (&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;First
Catechetical Lecture&lt;/i&gt; 4.15).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In other
words, he considered it a dangerous false teaching.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The idea of moving the 70th week far into the future as taught today only
appeared with the Darbyites in the 19th century.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This idea was widely rejected at first.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But when teaching about the end times became
less popular in other churches, this dispensational teaching continued to be
promoted, primarily among the Baptists.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;As a result, most Christians today have never heard the traditional
teaching of the Early Church.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But this
traditional teaching is a much better match to the Bible and to the events of
history.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;There are many other problems with dispensational
teaching.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;These include the false idea that Jews and Gentiles have different plans of salvation. This directly
contradicts the New Testament.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;As Peter
put it, speaking to Jewish people, &lt;i&gt;“And salvation is in no one else [other than
Jesus], nor is there any other name given among men under heaven by which we
must be saved.” &lt;/i&gt;Jesus is the only way to salvation for both Jews and Gentiles. I
would advise doing a search on the internet for “problems with
dispensationalism,” or “dangers of dispensationalism,” etc. to become more
familiar with these concerns.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;I hope this answers your questions.&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;div&gt;&amp;nbsp;Another early interpretation is that they represent two groups of people rather than two individuals. They are, in other words, an example of corporate identity or corporate personality. Many other examples can be seen in the Bible: the man Israel is identified with Israel the nation, the Messiah Jesus is identified with the Body of Messiah. But if so, what group or groups do they represent?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;The Church itself was an early proposal (Tyconius&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: xx-small;&quot;&gt;3&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;), as was a remnant of the Church in the final generation. Other suggestions include Israel and the Church, Jews and Gentiles (Oecumenius), and the two branches of the church as originally understood: Jewish and Gentile believers in Jesus (Primasius of Hadrumetum&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: xx-small;&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;). This identification with the Church or with some part of the Church grew in popularity among Protestants after the Reformation.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;Other, even more symbolic interpretations identified the two witnesses with the Word and the Spirit, the Old and New Testaments, the Law and the Gospel, and the Law and the Prophets, among others.&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: xx-small;&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;This incredible diversity shows the difficulty Christians have had in interpreting not only this one chapter of Revelation, but the entire book. No one method of interpretation has been able to win over a majority in the Church. Most have resorted to &lt;i&gt;ad hoc&lt;/i&gt; interpretations of individual images or sections. But occasionally, interpreters have decided to draw on similar images found elsewhere in the Bible, using these Biblical references to shed light on the meaning of the passage. This approach has the advantage of relying on the authority of the Bible, rather than being based on private interpretation (2 Pet. 1:20). But no one we know of in the past used this method consistently throughout the Book of Revelation. Would it work for the whole book? What if we decided to rely solely on the Bible to help us interpret the images of Revelation? This is what I call the Parallel Method: letting the Bible interpret the Bible. This is the method used in our book, &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.amazon.com/Revelation-Jesus-Christ-John-Interpret/dp/B0C1J9CYZF?_encoding=UTF8&amp;amp;dib_tag=se&amp;amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.iVR50N1YB_LGOC48d72-mswChuV94vVMSAFvv34MoBE.nSzZL_m2hZh4ATrCafOherWij7AvwbQD6vzTTAszS94&amp;amp;qid=1720077258&amp;amp;sr=1-1&amp;amp;linkCode=sl1&amp;amp;tag=totheendsoftheea&amp;amp;linkId=3497fc15eeeecc7ed3bd27cba1e2966f&amp;amp;language=en_US&amp;amp;ref_=as_li_ss_tl&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;The Revelation of Jesus Christ to John.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;How does it work? Let’s use Revelation 11 as a case study to test this method. The chapter begins with an instruction to measure the &lt;i&gt;“sanctuary of God and the altar &lt;/i&gt;[of sacrifice]&lt;i&gt; and those who are worshipping in it”&lt;/i&gt; (Rev. 11:1). Since the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem lay in ruins by the time John was writing, this couldn’t refer to that physical sanctuary.&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: xx-small;&quot;&gt;6&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt; So what sanctuary is it? Let’s use the Bible to find the answer: As Paul teaches in 1 Corinthians 3:16, &lt;i&gt;“Do you not know that you are a Temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: xx-small;&quot;&gt;7&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt; The same idea is repeated in 1 Pet. 2:5: &lt;i&gt;“And you yourselves, as living stones, are being built up, a spiritual House &lt;/i&gt;[i.e. a Temple]&lt;i&gt; into a holy priesthood.”&lt;/i&gt; These two verses fulfill the requirement of the Parallel Method: we must have at least two witnesses from other parts of the Bible. As the Bible teaches: &lt;i&gt;“By the mouth of two or three witnesses every matter will be established”&lt;/i&gt; (2 Cor. 13:1, also Deut. 19:15, Matt. 18:16, 1 Tim. 5:19, Heb. 10:28). This may sound random at first. But there is almost always only one set of parallels for each image in Revelation. By applying these parallels, we learn that the &lt;i&gt;“sanctuary”&lt;/i&gt; in Revelation 11 is the Church.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;The next verse mentions a &lt;i&gt;“court which is outside of the sanctuary”&lt;/i&gt; (Rev. 11:2). In the physical Temple in Jerusalem, the court outside the court of the sanctuary was the court of Israel. John is told, literally in Greek, to &lt;i&gt;“throw out”&lt;/i&gt; this outer court. The reason for this is that &lt;i&gt;“the nations &lt;/i&gt;[i.e. the Gentiles]&lt;i&gt;...will trample the holy city for forty-two months.”&lt;/i&gt; Does this sound like anything else in the Bible? In Luke 21:23-24, Jesus prophesied: &lt;i&gt;“There will be great distress in the land &lt;/i&gt;[of Israel]&lt;i&gt; and wrath to this people &lt;/i&gt;[Israel]&lt;i&gt;, and they will...be led captive into all the nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the times of the nations are fulfilled.”&lt;/i&gt; Another parallel can be found in Dan. 8:13: &lt;i&gt;“How long will...the sanctuary and the host be a place of trampling?”&lt;/i&gt; Both prophesy the destruction of Jerusalem. From this we learn that Revelation 11:2 is referring to the destruction of Jerusalem. This took place exactly as Jesus prophesied forty years later, in AD 70. It even assigns a period of time to this trampling: forty-two months. In an idealistic calendar of 30 days in a month, this is a total of 1,260 days.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;Historically, Jerusalem was ruled (or &lt;i&gt;“trampled”&lt;/i&gt;) by Gentile nations from the time of its destruction in AD 70 until the restoration of the State of Israel in 1948. This tells us that whatever the exact meaning of the 42 months may be, it refers to a period of time that lasted more than 1,000 years.&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: xx-small;&quot;&gt;8&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;The next verse is where we’re introduced to the &lt;i&gt;“two witnesses”&lt;/i&gt; (Rev. 11:3). Their ministry is given the same amount of time as the trampling of Jerusalem: 1,260 days. But since this indicates a long period of time, more than 1,000 years, how could they be two individual human beings? They must instead represent a group of people. But what group of people are they? They’re called witnesses (&lt;i&gt;martusin &lt;/i&gt;in Greek), a word often used of the disciples of Jesus. As Jesus himself said, &lt;i&gt;“You will be my witnesses both in Jerusalem and all of Judea and Samaria and to the end of the earth”&lt;/i&gt; (Acts 1:8, also Luke 24:48 etc.). Since many of the witnesses of Jesus have been killed for their testimony, the Greek word used for witness here (&lt;i&gt;martus&lt;/i&gt;) soon came to mean a martyr: someone who died for Jesus. The &lt;i&gt;“sackcloth”&lt;/i&gt; they’re wearing is also a sign of the difficult life they lead, a reminder of the challenges Christians have had in many parts of the world from the time of Jesus right up until today.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;More evidence comes in the next verse. Here the witnesses are identified as &lt;i&gt;“two olive trees”&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;“two lampstands.”&lt;/i&gt; Earlier in Revelation, seven lampstands are used to represent seven churches in what is today western Turkey (Rev. 1:4,11,20). But why are there only &lt;i&gt;two &lt;/i&gt;lampstands here?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;The image of two olive trees appears in Zechariah 4 in association with a single lampstand (Zech. 4:2-6). The connection was clear in Bible days. Olive trees were the source of the oil (olive oil) used to keep lamps lit. This single lampstand was a symbol of Israel, as the rabbis also interpret it (Song of Songs Rab. 4:17, etc.). Why then does Revelation have &lt;i&gt;two &lt;/i&gt;lampstands?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;Two olive trees are mentioned by Paul in Romans 11. We often think of this passage as talking about a single tree. But in Greek, Paul mentions two different trees: a wild olive tree and a cultivated olive tree.&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;“For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree (agrielaios) and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree...”&lt;/i&gt; (Rom. 11:24). Grafting doesn’t change the identity of a grafted branch. It still produces fruit unique to its own DNA. This is why Paul continues to identify the branches of the wild olive with the tree itself: &lt;i&gt;“but you, being a wild olive tree&lt;/i&gt; (&lt;i&gt;agrielaios&lt;/i&gt;)” (Rom. 11:17). But those branches now receive sustenance from the tree into which they&#39;ve been grafted.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;The wild olive tree in Romans 11 refers to Gentile believers in Jesus. The cultivated olive tree refers to Jewish believers in Jesus. Here we have a Biblical basis for understanding the two trees of Revelation 11.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;These two trees are also described as two lampstands. This implies that they are divisions of the Church, as with the lampstands in Revelation 1.&amp;nbsp; And this is how the Church was originally understood: to be made up of Jewish and Gentile believers in Jesus. These two groups provide two distinct witnesses to the truth about Jesus.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;This understanding of the Church can be seen in the New Testament, where it distinguishes between believers &lt;i&gt;“from the circumcision”&lt;/i&gt; (Col. 4:11), that is, Jewish believers in Jesus, and believers from &lt;i&gt;“the uncircumcision”&lt;/i&gt; (Rom. 3:30, 4:9-12, 15:8-9, Gal. 2:7-12, Eph. 2:11), that is, Gentile believers in Jesus.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Evidence of this early self-understanding can also be found in Christian art. An early Christian symbol from the Roman catacombs shows two fish caught on a cross-shaped anchor. One has scales and fins—it’s permitted according to the Jewish food laws (Lev. 11:9-12). The other lacks scales and fins, which means it’s not permitted for Jews to eat. What does it represent? The two major divisions of the Church as they were understood at the time: Jewish believers in Jesus and Gentile believers in Jesus, both “caught” on a symbol of the cross of Jesus.&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: xx-small;&quot;&gt;9&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEie_PEJXfmi3LUuk7Ffi43IiSJr2hAqnnagyV0l0c466JWX5tyb3ROuBbOmHkqbwP4E-TXSdu8mCL6R7NhtKplzvCqR5ocjsIaU7AF3j8-H9yCBXsiG_GK1BkJIWvf9EjPxvDtl8zn8JGH4RqFYiMDVt6_-eWhT9Vt30Wni-9BigI6m-NaztkJg_YSUt5c/s640/JRC%20Fish%202.jpg&quot; style=&quot;margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;&quot;&gt;&lt;img border=&quot;0&quot; data-original-height=&quot;296&quot; data-original-width=&quot;640&quot; height=&quot;148&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEie_PEJXfmi3LUuk7Ffi43IiSJr2hAqnnagyV0l0c466JWX5tyb3ROuBbOmHkqbwP4E-TXSdu8mCL6R7NhtKplzvCqR5ocjsIaU7AF3j8-H9yCBXsiG_GK1BkJIWvf9EjPxvDtl8zn8JGH4RqFYiMDVt6_-eWhT9Vt30Wni-9BigI6m-NaztkJg_YSUt5c/s320/JRC%20Fish%202.jpg&quot; width=&quot;320&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;This isn’t the only example of this self-understanding in the Church. A fifth century mosaic from the Church of Sta. Sabina in Rome has images of two women, one on each side of a large inscription. One is labeled, the “Church from the Circumcision” (&lt;i&gt;Eclesia ex Circumcisione&lt;/i&gt;), and the other, the “Church from the Gentiles” (&lt;i&gt;Eclesia ex Gentibus&lt;/i&gt;). This is evidence that this two-fold nature of the Church was still understood in the 5th century.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhRi4q7Hg7kiK_NfmMsbRqVnOCdjUfXxVjpq275wR74U1TY8ABSFt9lN9QwUA74YAJDe6abcQSB26Hf6ILI0USLSYLWpKIa17aXSKNUIHbOHE9cJiEGUHd3ZdcCqvoMxpm9dm-mS2AUoE_bZ5CET4l0cjLziGvDthOwrDkJ0m7HxIeOZ8M3LXMvC7MNP4I/s640/Sta%20Sabina%20copy.jpg&quot; style=&quot;margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;&quot;&gt;&lt;img border=&quot;0&quot; data-original-height=&quot;168&quot; data-original-width=&quot;640&quot; height=&quot;168&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhRi4q7Hg7kiK_NfmMsbRqVnOCdjUfXxVjpq275wR74U1TY8ABSFt9lN9QwUA74YAJDe6abcQSB26Hf6ILI0USLSYLWpKIa17aXSKNUIHbOHE9cJiEGUHd3ZdcCqvoMxpm9dm-mS2AUoE_bZ5CET4l0cjLziGvDthOwrDkJ0m7HxIeOZ8M3LXMvC7MNP4I/w640-h168/Sta%20Sabina%20copy.jpg&quot; width=&quot;640&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;These same two women can be seen in a 4th century mosaic at the Church of Saint Pudentiana in Rome. Here they are crowning Paul for his mission to the Gentiles and Peter for his mission to the Jewish people. And these are not the only examples.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;But there’s one more piece of evidence that strongly supports the idea that the two witnesses represent two groups of people. In two different places, their dead bodies are referred to as a single body. This is in Revelation 11:8 and again in Revelation 11:9. The original language is very clear: &lt;i&gt;“And their corpse [singular] is in the wide street of the great city.... And they out of the peoples and tribes and languages and nations see their corpse [singular] three and a half days...”&lt;/i&gt; Most translators don’t know what to do with this, so they change it to a plural (“corpses”). But the singular form is not an error. There are no textual variants here with a different text in the original language.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;So how can two individual people share a single corpse? They can’t.&amp;nbsp; This is instead a prophecy of a terrible end-times persecution of the whole Church.&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: xx-small;&quot;&gt;10&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&amp;nbsp;It will be an intensification of the persecution we see taking place around the world right now, in our own lifetimes.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;Where do these witnesses get their supernatural abilities, like the fire that comes out of their &lt;i&gt;“mouth”&lt;/i&gt; (mouth is also singular in Greek, Rev. 11:5)? If we apply the Parallel Method, we’re led to Jeremiah 5:14: &lt;i&gt;“I am making my words in your mouth fire and this people pieces of wood, and it will consume them”&lt;/i&gt; (also Jer. 23:29, Psalm 104:4, and John 12:48). It refers to the power of the gospel in the mouths of believers: a gospel that some will receive to eternal blessing, but others will reject, bringing eternal fire.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;What about their ability to stop the rain of heaven? James tells us, &lt;i&gt;“Elijah was a man with the same nature as ours, and in prayer he prayed that it would not rain; and it did not rain on the land for three years and six months” &lt;/i&gt;(James 5:17). James is talking to believers: &lt;i&gt;“The active prayer of a righteous person can do much”&lt;/i&gt; (James 5:16).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;What about their ability to turn water into blood? This was done by another man with a nature like ours: Moses. &lt;i&gt;“Stretch your hand over the water of Egypt...and they will become blood”&lt;/i&gt; (Exo. 7:19). Both Moses and Elijah were closely connected with Jewish expectations of the coming of the Messiah. Here, Revelation teaches that we, the Church, share their prophetic anointing. This is similar to what Paul teaches when he describes the Church as the Body of Messiah:&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;That you may know...what is the surpassing greatness of his power in us who believe, a power that matches the action of the intensity of his might, which he made active in the Messiah when he raised him from the dead and seated him on his right in the heavenlies.&lt;/i&gt; (Eph. 1:18-20)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This hardly exhausts the description of the two witnesses in Revelation 11. But it’s a good start to understanding the Parallel Method—and to understanding who the two witnesses really are.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;NOTES&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div style=&quot;padding-left: 22px; text-indent: -22px;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Ian R. Brown, A Historical Perspective on the Two Witnesses of Rev 11:1-13, 2024, 4-5, https://www.academia.edu/118758289/A_Historical_Perspective_on_the_Two_Witnesses_of_Rev_11_1_13&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div style=&quot;padding-left: 22px; text-indent: -22px;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; Yehnis Elantony, The Two Witnesses of Revelation, 3,5, https://www.academia.edu/95383790/The_Two_Witnesses_of_Revelation&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div style=&quot;padding-left: 22px; text-indent: -22px;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;3&lt;/sup&gt; Tyconius understood the two witnesses to represent the testimony of the Church from the time of Jesus until a final persecution and the resurrection of the dead. Brown, 17-18. He also saw the visions of Revelation as recapitulatory, rather than being arranged in a linear chronological order.&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div style=&quot;padding-left: 22px; text-indent: -22px;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;4&lt;/sup&gt; Though strictly speaking, Primasius identified these two branches of the church with the two lampstands that are identified with the two witnesses in Revelation 11:4.&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div style=&quot;padding-left: 22px; text-indent: -22px;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt; Though these proved less popular than identifying them with individuals or groups of people. Brown, 32.&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div style=&quot;padding-left: 22px; text-indent: -22px;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;6&lt;/sup&gt; John wrote in about AD 95, the Temple was destroyed in AD 70.&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div style=&quot;padding-left: 22px; text-indent: -22px;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;7&lt;/sup&gt; The “you”s used here are plural, indicating that the believing community as a whole makes up the one true Temple of God.&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div style=&quot;padding-left: 22px; text-indent: -22px;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;8&lt;/sup&gt; In Daniel’s prophecy of 70 weeks each day refers to a year (Daniel 9). A similar symbolic meaning is likely here, too.&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div style=&quot;padding-left: 22px; text-indent: -22px;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;9&lt;/sup&gt; Many other depictions of two fish and a cross-shaped anchor have been found, though most don’t make such a clear distinction between the fish. Nevertheless, the same idea may have been in mind.&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div style=&quot;padding-left: 22px; text-indent: -22px;&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;10&lt;/sup&gt; It’s also an allusion to the strange prophecy in Isa. 26:19 which says in Hebrew: “Your dead will live, my corpse [singular], they will rise...”&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;padding-left: 22px; text-indent: -22px;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

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&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;One of the most puzzling passages in the Bible is &lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Genesis 6:2-4&lt;/span&gt;.&amp;nbsp; It mentions the “sons of God” (the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;“&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;sons of &lt;i&gt;Elohim&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;) who took wives from the “daughters of man.” This happened just before the Flood of Noah.&amp;nbsp; Many sensational videos have been made recently to explain this strange event and the mysterious giants (the &lt;i&gt;Nephilim&lt;/i&gt;) mentioned in these same verses.&amp;nbsp; But what do we actually know about these&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;“sons of &lt;i&gt;Elohim&lt;/i&gt;”? And what can we learn about them from other passages in the Bible?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;a name=&#39;more&#39;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;Let’s start by looking at the verses in question:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;blockquote style=&quot;border: none; margin: 0px 40px; padding: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Genesis 6:2,4:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; And &lt;b&gt;sons of God (&lt;i&gt;b’nei ha Elohim&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;/b&gt; saw that the daughters of man were desirable; and they took wives for themselves from all that they chose.... The giants (the &lt;i&gt;Nephilim&lt;/i&gt;) were on the earth in those days and also afterwards, when &lt;b&gt;sons of God (&lt;i&gt;b’nei ha Elohim&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;/b&gt; went in to the daughters of man, and they bore &lt;i&gt;children &lt;/i&gt;for them. They were the mighty ones that &lt;i&gt;were &lt;/i&gt;of old, men of renown.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;Different views about these “sons of God” have been circulating since the 2nd century AD.&amp;nbsp; This is when the idea first appeared that they were actually the “good” descendants of Seth as opposed to the bad descendants of Cain—a teaching still popular in many places today.&amp;nbsp; But before that time, &lt;i&gt;all &lt;/i&gt;the ancient authorities agreed that these “sons of God” were angelic messengers.&amp;nbsp; So for example, Josephus the Jewish historian, who lived in the time of the apostles, wrote:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote style=&quot;border: none; margin: 0px 40px; padding: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;For many &lt;b&gt;messengers (&lt;i&gt;angeloi&lt;/i&gt;) of God&lt;/b&gt;, coming together with women, bore children &lt;i&gt;that were&lt;/i&gt; violent men and disdainful of all &lt;i&gt;that is&lt;/i&gt; good because of the confidence &lt;i&gt;they had&lt;/i&gt; in &lt;i&gt;their own&lt;/i&gt; strength, &lt;i&gt;whose &lt;/i&gt;daring resembles that of&amp;nbsp; the giants spoken of by the Greeks; and these are the great deeds handed down [by tradition].&amp;nbsp; (&lt;i&gt;The Antiquities of the Jews &lt;/i&gt;1.3.1 §73)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;Here Josephus clearly identifies the “sons of God” of Genesis 6 as “messengers of God,” in other words, as angels.* The giants (the &lt;i&gt;Nephilim&lt;/i&gt;) he identifies as the children of the messengers and the women.&amp;nbsp; And he directly connects the Biblical account with the similar stories of giants among the Greeks.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* The Greek word &lt;i&gt;angelos &lt;/i&gt;(&lt;i&gt;angeloi &lt;/i&gt;in the plural), just like the Hebrew word &lt;i&gt;malak&lt;/i&gt;, simply means “messenger.”&amp;nbsp; Whether this is a human messenger, an angelic messenger, or the Word of God acting as a messenger can only be determined from the context.&amp;nbsp; Since these messengers are here called “messengers of God,” this identifies them as angels.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;But Josephus wasn’t the only one to make these identifications.&amp;nbsp; This was common knowledge at the time.&amp;nbsp; This can be seen in many of the writings that come to us both from before and just after the time of the New Testament.*&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* These&amp;nbsp;“sons of God”&amp;nbsp;are also identified as angels in the Enoch writings, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Book of Jubilees, the Testament of Reuben, and 2 Baruch. But we can trace the expression “sons of God” back even further to discoveries in the Ugaritic language from the time of Moses and Joshua.&amp;nbsp; Ugaritic is a Semitic language related to Hebrew.&amp;nbsp; In Ugaritic, the expression “sons of gods” (&lt;i&gt;bn ilm&lt;/i&gt;) refers to divine beings, beings that were the focus of pagan worship and which are identified in the Bible as fallen angels.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;But there’s no need to look outside the Bible to identify the “sons of &lt;i&gt;Elohim&lt;/i&gt;.”&amp;nbsp; The Bible itself is quite clear about who they are:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote style=&quot;border: none; margin: 0px 40px; padding: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Job 1:6&lt;/span&gt;: &lt;/b&gt;And the day came when the &lt;b&gt;sons of God (&lt;i&gt;b’nei ha Elohim&lt;/i&gt;) &lt;/b&gt;came to stand before the L&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;ORD&lt;/span&gt;, and the Adversary [&lt;i&gt;Satan &lt;/i&gt;in Hebrew] also came among them.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;This is a description of the Divine Council of God that is mentioned several times in the Bible.&amp;nbsp; The idea is that from time to time God called a meeting of those he had put in authority in heaven; much like an earthly king would call a meeting of the nation’s leaders.&amp;nbsp; That this meeting took place in heaven is clear from the fact that it took place in the presence of the Lord&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;(Job 1:6), and that Satan left the earth in order to attend. (He came “from roaming around on the earth,” Job 1:7.) Since Satan, who is himself an angel, was attending, this implies that the other “sons of God” at the meeting were also angels.*&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* Satan is described as an archangel (an &lt;i&gt;archon&lt;/i&gt;) in the Greek of Matt. 9:34 and Eph. 2:2.&amp;nbsp; This is the same Greek word that appears in Eph. 6:12 to describe the “rulers” of the spiritual forces in the heavenlies.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;This is how the Septuagint (the LXX), the ancient Greek translation of the Bible, also understands this event:*&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* The Septuagint, also known as the LXX, is a Greek translation of the Old Testament made for the Jewish community in Egypt.&amp;nbsp; It is thought to have been translated from the original Hebrew in the 2nd and 3rd centuries BC.&amp;nbsp; The Septuagint served as the Old Testament for early Gentile Christians and is still used in many Eastern churches today.&amp;nbsp; Translators often refer to the Septuagint to check their translations of the Bible or to determine the meaning of difficult Hebrew words and phrases.&amp;nbsp; Many of the slight differences between the Septuagint and the Hebrew Bible (the Masoretic Text) are today understood to originate in earlier Hebrew versions of the Bible.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote style=&quot;border: none; margin: 0px 40px; padding: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Job 1:6&lt;/span&gt; (LXX):&lt;/b&gt;&amp;nbsp; And it came to pass on this day that look, the &lt;b&gt;messengers (&lt;i&gt;angeloi&lt;/i&gt;) of God&lt;/b&gt; came to stand before the Lord, and the devil came with them.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;The Septuagint translates the Hebrew “sons of &lt;i&gt;Elohim&lt;/i&gt;” as “messengers of God.” In other words, it understands that this was an angelic council.&amp;nbsp; A similar passage appears in chapter 2 when the council meets again:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote style=&quot;border: none; margin: 0px 40px; padding: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Job 2:1&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; And it was the day when the &lt;b&gt;sons of God (&lt;i&gt;b’nei ha Elohim&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;/b&gt; came to stand before the L&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;ORD&lt;/span&gt;.&amp;nbsp; And the Adversary (&lt;i&gt;Satan&lt;/i&gt;) also came among them to stand before the L&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;ORD&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;Here again, Satan is among the “sons of Elohim” as one of them.&amp;nbsp; And again the Septuagint understands this to be an angelic council:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote style=&quot;border: none; margin: 0px 40px; padding: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Job 2:1&lt;/span&gt; (LXX):&lt;/b&gt; And it came to pass on a certain day that the &lt;b&gt;messengers (&lt;i&gt;angeloi&lt;/i&gt;) of God&lt;/b&gt; came to stand before the Lord, and the devil came among them to stand before the Lord.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;In another place, Job mentions the “sons of &lt;i&gt;Elohim&lt;/i&gt;” in a description of the Creation:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote style=&quot;border: none; margin: 0px 40px; padding: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Job 38:7&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; [Where were you] at the crying out of the morning stars together, and when all the &lt;b&gt;sons of God (&lt;i&gt;b’nei ha Elohim&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;/b&gt; shouted for joy?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;This passage is about acts of Creation that took place before the creation of&amp;nbsp; man (“when I laid the foundations of the earth,” etc., in Job 38:1-6).&amp;nbsp; That means that these “sons of &lt;i&gt;Elohim&lt;/i&gt;” cannot be human beings—in fact, that’s the whole point of the passage: that at the time human beings were nowhere to be found.&amp;nbsp; Rather these “sons of &lt;i&gt;Elohim&lt;/i&gt;” are the angelic sons of God.&amp;nbsp; Once again, the Septuagint understands this verse the same way:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote style=&quot;border: none; margin: 0px 40px; padding: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Job 38:7&lt;/span&gt; (LXX): &lt;/b&gt;When the stars were made, all &lt;b&gt;my messengers (&lt;i&gt;angeloi mou&lt;/i&gt;) &lt;/b&gt;praised me with a loud voice.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;There is only one other appearance of the “sons of &lt;i&gt;Elohim&lt;/i&gt;” in the Bible. But it’s not in the versions most people are familiar with today.&amp;nbsp; Instead, it’s a variant reading found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, which many scholars believe to be the original text:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote style=&quot;border: none; margin: 0px 40px; padding: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Deuteronomy 32:8&lt;/span&gt; (DSS):&lt;/b&gt; When the Most High gave the nations an inheritance, when he separated the sons of man, he established the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the &lt;b&gt;sons of God (&lt;i&gt;b’nei ha Elohim&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;/b&gt;.*&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* Most modern translations of this verse follow the standard Hebrew text (the Masoretic Text) instead, which reads:&amp;nbsp; “he established the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the sons of Israel.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;This implies that God placed the nations under these angelic authorities,&amp;nbsp;with Israel under the direct authority of God himself:&amp;nbsp; “For the portion of the L&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;ORD&lt;/span&gt; is his people, Jacob is the allotment of his possession” (Deut. 32:9).&amp;nbsp; This is also how the Septuagint understands it:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote style=&quot;border: none; margin: 0px 40px; padding: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Deuteronomy 32:8&lt;/span&gt; (LXX): &lt;/b&gt;When the Most High divided the nations, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the nations according to the number of the &lt;b&gt;messengers (&lt;i&gt;angelon&lt;/i&gt;) of God&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;This agrees with the idea found in the book of Daniel that God put each of the nations under the authority of an individual angel (Dan. 10:13,20; 12:1).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;But verses that mention the “sons of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;Elohim&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;” are not the only way to find out who these beings were.&amp;nbsp; There are other, similar expressions that also refer to them, though modern translations sometimes obscure the original meaning.&amp;nbsp; Consider the Hebrew of Psalm 82:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote style=&quot;border: none; margin: 0px 40px; padding: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Psalm 82:1,6-7&lt;/span&gt;: &lt;/b&gt;God (&lt;i&gt;Elohim&lt;/i&gt;) is standing in the congregation of God (&lt;i&gt;El&lt;/i&gt;), in the midst of the gods (&lt;i&gt;elohim&lt;/i&gt;) he judges.... “I myself said you are gods (&lt;i&gt;elohim&lt;/i&gt;), and all of you &lt;b&gt;sons of the Most High (&lt;i&gt;b’nei Elyon&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;/b&gt;.&amp;nbsp; But surely as a man you will die, and as one of the princes you will fall.” *&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* This passage is a good demonstration of the fact that the plural Hebrew word &lt;i&gt;Elohim &lt;/i&gt;can be used both to refer to God and to the gods. Which of the two it is must be determined from the context, since the word can have both meanings. In verse 1, the first &lt;i&gt;Elohim &lt;/i&gt;refers to God, since it takes a singular verb form (&lt;i&gt;nitzav&lt;/i&gt;).&amp;nbsp; The second &lt;i&gt;elohim &lt;/i&gt;refers to “the gods,” since God stands “in the midst” of them (or “among” them).&amp;nbsp; In verse 6, &lt;i&gt;elohim &lt;/i&gt;also refers to “the gods,” since God addresses them with a plural form of “you” (&lt;i&gt;atem&lt;/i&gt;):&amp;nbsp; “you are gods.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;This is another reference to the Council of God. But instead of the expression “sons of &lt;i&gt;Elohim&lt;/i&gt;,” we see “sons of &lt;i&gt;Elyon&lt;/i&gt;.”&amp;nbsp; This is the same &lt;i&gt;Elyon &lt;/i&gt;found in the expression &lt;i&gt;El Elyon&lt;/i&gt; (“God Most High” in Gen. 14:18, etc.).&amp;nbsp; Since this is the same Council of God that we saw earlier in Job, it&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;s clear that&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;“sons of &lt;i&gt;Elyon&lt;/i&gt;”&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;has the same meaning as “sons of &lt;i&gt;Elohim&lt;/i&gt;.” That this is not referring to human beings can be seen in verse 7, where the punishment given to these “sons of the Most High” will be to die “as a man.” That is, they will lose their current immortality and experience death as human beings do. But why then are these beings also called “gods”?*&amp;nbsp; By this point in history, these angelic beings had allowed themselves to be identified as gods:&amp;nbsp; the pagan gods of the nations.&amp;nbsp; And because of this, as God warns them here, they were headed toward eternal punishment.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* Some modern translators are uncomfortable with the plain meaning of the words, and so change “gods” in verse 1 to “judges” (JPS) or “rulers” (NAS).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;Jesus refers to this passage in &lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;John 10:34-36&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote style=&quot;border: none; margin: 0px 40px; padding: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;John 10:34-36&lt;/span&gt;:&amp;nbsp; &lt;/b&gt;Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said you are gods’ [Psa. 82:6]?&amp;nbsp; If these to whom the word of God came he called gods—and Scripture cannot be abolished, do you say of the one whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said I am a son of God?”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;Jesus’ point here is that if God called these angels “gods” “to whom the word of God came” (vs. 35)—which implies that they are not the originators of the word of God and so are not true gods at all—how can it be wrong for “the one whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world”—that is, Jesus himself, who &lt;i&gt;is &lt;/i&gt;the Word of God and therefore higher than the angels&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;—&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;to be called “a son of God” (vs. 36)?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;The heavenly Council of God makes another appearance in Psalm 89:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote style=&quot;border: none; margin: 0px 40px; padding: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Psalm 89:5-7&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; The heavens praise your wonder, L&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;ORD&lt;/span&gt;; yes, your faithfulness in an assembly of the holy ones.&amp;nbsp; For who in the cloud [of stars, i.e. in the heavens] compares to the L&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;ORD&lt;/span&gt;?&amp;nbsp; Who resembles the L&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;ORD&lt;/span&gt; among the &lt;b&gt;sons of the gods (&lt;i&gt;b’nei elim&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;/b&gt;?&amp;nbsp; God (&lt;i&gt;El&lt;/i&gt;) causes great trembling in the council of the holy ones and causes all surrounding him to fear.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;The language used here makes it clear that these “sons of the gods” dwell in the heavens, or at least go there to participate in God’s council.*&amp;nbsp; So why are they called “sons of the gods” instead of the “sons of &lt;i&gt;Elohim&lt;/i&gt;”?&amp;nbsp; Because as we’ve already seen, they had allowed themselves to be identified as the gods of the pagans.&amp;nbsp; And this is how these pagan gods were known among the nations: as the supposed sons of other, earlier gods.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* Here, too, many modern translators are uncomfortable with the plain meaning, and so change the “sons of the gods” in verse 6 to “sons of the mighty.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;Another appearance of the Council of God, or at least of its members, appears in Psalm 29:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote style=&quot;border: none; margin: 0px 40px; padding: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Psalm 29:1&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; Ascribe to the L&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;ORD&lt;/span&gt;, &lt;b&gt;sons of the gods (&lt;i&gt;b’nei elim&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;/b&gt;, ascribe to the L&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;ORD&lt;/span&gt; glory and strength.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;Here the Psalmist is calling on the gods of the nations, that is, on fallen angels masquerading as gods, to worship the God of Israel.&amp;nbsp; (&lt;a href=&quot;https://totheends.com/ps29.html&quot;&gt;For more on this topic, see our teaching on Psalm 29.&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;One final reference to the “sons of &lt;i&gt;Elohim&lt;/i&gt;” can be found in a section of the book of Daniel written in Aramaic, a sister language to Hebrew.&amp;nbsp; Here, the Aramaic &lt;i&gt;bar elahin&lt;/i&gt; is a direct translation of the Hebrew &lt;i&gt;ben elohim&lt;/i&gt; (“son of the gods,” with &lt;i&gt;elohim &lt;/i&gt;here used to refer to the pagan gods):&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote style=&quot;border: none; margin: 0px 40px; padding: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Daniel 3:25,28&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;/b&gt; He [King Nebuchadnezzar] answered and said, ‘Look! I see four men loosed &lt;i&gt;and &lt;/i&gt;walking &lt;i&gt;about &lt;/i&gt;in the midst of the fire without harm, and the appearance of the fourth is like a &lt;b&gt;son of the gods (&lt;i&gt;bar elahin&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;/b&gt;!’.... Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego: he has sent his &lt;b&gt;messenger (&lt;i&gt;malak&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;/b&gt; to rescue his servants...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;According to King Nebuchadnezzar, the fourth man in the fiery furnace looked different than the others.&amp;nbsp; He looked like “a son of the gods,” in other words, he had a divine rather than a human appearance. But he also refers to this fourth man as a messenger (&lt;i&gt;malak &lt;/i&gt;in Aramaic, just as it is in Hebrew).&amp;nbsp; In other words, he understood that this “son of the gods” was an angelic messenger.&amp;nbsp; So here, the book of Daniel directly identifies the expression “son of &lt;i&gt;elohim&lt;/i&gt;” with an angelic “messenger.”&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;What happened to the sons of God after they sinned with the women?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;These verses all clearly identify the “sons of &lt;i&gt;Elohim&lt;/i&gt;” as angelic messengers of God.&amp;nbsp; But they don’t tell us the rest of the story.&amp;nbsp; They say nothing about what happened to the angels of Genesis 6 after they sinned with the women.&amp;nbsp; To get that information, we have to turn to the New Testament.&amp;nbsp; Here, Peter tells us:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote style=&quot;border: none; margin: 0px 40px; padding: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;2 Peter 2:4&lt;/span&gt;:&amp;nbsp; &lt;/b&gt;For if God didn’t spare &lt;b&gt;messengers (&lt;i&gt;angelon&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;/b&gt; who had sinned, but having thrown them into Tartarus [the deepest part of Hades], he delivered them to chains of darkness where they are being kept for judgment...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;Here we find the punishment given to these angels.&amp;nbsp; But how do we know they&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;re the same angels?&amp;nbsp; They appear in a list of judgments starting with (1) these angels (in verse 4), and then going on to (2) the Flood of Noah (in verse 5), and then to (3) Sodom and Gomorrah (in verses 6-8).&amp;nbsp; These events are in chronological order.&amp;nbsp; So what event preceded the Flood for which God would have judged angels?&amp;nbsp; The sin of the “sons of &lt;i&gt;Elohim&lt;/i&gt;” in Genesis 6:2-4.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;Jude has a shorter list. But he mentions these same angels (in verse 6) followed by the punishment of Sodom and Gomorrah (in verse 7):&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote style=&quot;border: none; margin: 0px 40px; padding: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Jude 1:6&lt;/span&gt;:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt; &lt;b&gt;Messengers (&lt;i&gt;angelous&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;/b&gt; that did not keep watch over their own domain, but rather left their proper dwelling place, he has kept under watch in darkness for eternal bonds on the judgment of the great day.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;So where did Peter and Jude get this additional information about the angels of Genesis 6?&amp;nbsp; A likely source is the book of Enoch (1 Enoch).&amp;nbsp; Enoch was never accepted into the Bible, but some parts of it line up well with the Bible’s teaching.*&amp;nbsp; Jude, in fact, quotes directly from 1 Enoch 1:9 in describing God’s judgment:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* It is, however, accepted as Scripture by both the Ethiopian Jewish community and by Ethiopian Orthodox Christians.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote style=&quot;border: none; margin: 0px 40px; padding: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Jude 1:14-15&lt;/span&gt;:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt; But Enoch, &lt;i&gt;in &lt;/i&gt;the seventh &lt;i&gt;generation &lt;/i&gt;from Adam, also prophesied to these, saying, “Look, the Lord will come with tens of thousands of his holy ones to bring about judgment against all and to convict every soul about all their godless deeds &lt;i&gt;in &lt;/i&gt;which they were ungodly, and about all the harsh talk that ungodly sinners spoke against him.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;Enoch’s description of the punishment of the angels is similar to 2 Peter and Jude:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote style=&quot;border: none; margin: 0px 40px; padding: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;1 Enoch 10:12-13:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt; Bind them [the angels who sinned with the women] for seventy generations under the hills of the earth until the day of their judgment and of their consummation, until the judgment which is for all eternity is accomplished.&amp;nbsp; And in those days, they will lead them to the abyss of fire; in torment and in prison they will be shut up for all eternity.*&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* H.F.D. Sparks, The Apocryphal Old Testament, (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1987), 196.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;Does this mean, then, that the book of Enoch is at the same level of inspiration as the Bible?&amp;nbsp; There’s no question that Enoch had an important influence on people&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;s ideas about prophecy in the time of the New Testament. But it wasn&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;t accepted as part of the Bible for good reason, as I think you&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;ll see if you read it yourself: it just doesn&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;t have the same sense of authority and authenticity.&amp;nbsp; So while those few parts of Enoch quoted in the New Testament &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;are &lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;God’s inspired word, the rest is mostly of historical interest, and shouldn’t be used to construct any Christian doctrines.*&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* One of the problems with the book of Enoch (1 Enoch) is that it’s actually a set of five books of uncertain date and authorship, none of which can be traced back to the time of the patriarch Enoch of Genesis 5:21-24. Another is that it&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;s been preserved in full only in the Ethiopian language (Ge&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;z).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: medium;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Did Jesus say that angels can’t marry?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;In the New Testament, the phrase “sons of God” refers almost exclusively to followers of Jesus—to human beings.&amp;nbsp; But even here there is an association with angels:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote style=&quot;border: none; margin: 0px 40px; padding: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Luke 20:35-36&lt;/span&gt;:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt; But those considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead* neither marry nor are given in marriage, for neither are they still able to die, for they are &lt;b&gt;like messengers (&lt;i&gt;isangeloi&lt;/i&gt;) &lt;/b&gt;and are &lt;b&gt;sons of God&lt;/b&gt;, being sons of the resurrection.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif; font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* The “resurrection from the dead” is the first resurrection, also known as the resurrection of the righteous (Rev. 20:5-6 and Luke 14:14).&amp;nbsp; This will be a resurrection of &lt;i&gt;some &lt;/i&gt;of the dead (the righteous) out “from” the other dead (the unrighteous), who will remain dead until the general resurrection.&amp;nbsp; Then, in this second or general resurrection, all the remaining dead will be raised for the final judgment (Rev. 20:11-13).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;Here Jesus teaches that a resurrected son of God will no longer die, just as angels don’t die (in verse 36).&amp;nbsp; He also teaches that they will no longer marry, just as the angels in heaven don’t marry (in verse 35, as also in Matt. 22:30).&amp;nbsp; But wait a minute!&amp;nbsp; If angels don’t marry, wouldn’t it have been impossible for the angels to marry women in Genesis 6:2-4?&amp;nbsp; But note carefully that Jesus didn’t say that angels &lt;i&gt;can’t &lt;/i&gt;marry.&amp;nbsp; He just said that they &lt;i&gt;don’t&lt;/i&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;So why wouldn&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;t God want angels to marry?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;The Bible teaches that the purpose of marriage is to&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;“be fruitful and multiply” (Gen. 1:22, etc.).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;But since&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;angels were created as eternal beings, they were created in their full number right from the start, and so have no need for marriage and the bearing of children.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;So what about&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;resurrected believers?&amp;nbsp; When the time of the resurrection comes, they, too, will have reached their full number.&amp;nbsp; As it says in &lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Rev. 6:11&lt;/span&gt;:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;“&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;...until the number of those about to be killed even they had been...is complete.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;This is talking about Christian martyrs, but the same language is used of the Church as a whole (the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;“&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;mystery of God&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;) in &lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Rev. 10:7&lt;/span&gt;: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;“&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;the mystery of God will also be completed, as he proclaimed the good news to his servants the prophets.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;This is the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;“&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;fullness of the Gentiles&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;mentioned by Paul in Rom. 11:25.*&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* That there was a full number of believers that God had appointed to come in was also taught in the first generation after the apostles (in the &lt;i&gt;Shepherd of Hermas&lt;/i&gt; and the &lt;i&gt;First Epistle of Clement&lt;/i&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;Besides, the mystery of salvation can take place only in the present, fallen world.&amp;nbsp; Only now is it possible to believe in God by faith.&amp;nbsp; After Jesus returns, the knowledge of God will be by sight, and so salvation by faith will no longer be possible.&amp;nbsp; As a result, any children born after that time would not be able to be saved.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;Another explanation comes from the impurity laws of the Old Testament.&amp;nbsp; These teach that reproduction and giving birth are ritually unclean.&amp;nbsp; This doesn’t mean that giving birth is bad or sinful, or even that it should be avoided.&amp;nbsp; Just the opposite, the Bible commands husbands and wives to “be fruitful and multiply” (Gen. 1:22, etc.).&amp;nbsp; But the process of giving birth led to times of separation from the worship of the community.&amp;nbsp; A woman who gave birth to a baby boy, for example, wasn’t allowed to enter the sanctuary of God (the Temple or Tabernacle) for more than a month:&amp;nbsp; “And thirty-three days she will sit in the blood of her cleansing, she will not touch any holy things, and she will not go to the sanctuary until the fullness of the days of her cleansing” (&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Lev. 12:4&lt;/span&gt;).&amp;nbsp; This wasn’t a punishment.&amp;nbsp; Most women would have seen it as a blessing, since they were freed from many responsibilities and given time to recover and heal.&amp;nbsp; But these and similar laws were often connected with the shedding of blood, and so by implication with death.&amp;nbsp; Since God wanted to clearly identify himself as the God of life, contact with death led to a time of separation from public worship. (See our teaching on &lt;a href=&quot;https://totheends.com/clean.html&quot;&gt;Clean and Unclean&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;But in the resurrection, there will be no more death at all:&amp;nbsp; “Death, where is your victory?&amp;nbsp; Death, where is your sting?” (&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;1 Cor. 15:55&lt;/span&gt;).&amp;nbsp; In the resurrection, there will be &lt;i&gt;nothing &lt;/i&gt;that removes us from God’s presence.&amp;nbsp; There will be &lt;i&gt;no &lt;/i&gt;obstacle to communion with God—even for a short time.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;So for this reason, too, there will be no more marriage and no more giving birth.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;This helps to explain why the fall of the angels in Genesis 6 was such a tragedy:&amp;nbsp; They abandoned their calling of continual service to God to engage in ritually unclean acts, acts that removed them from the presence of God and led to sin.&amp;nbsp; And since there is no plan of salvation for angels (1 Peter 1:12), they lost their privileged position in heaven for eternity.*&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* Why is there no plan of salvation for angels?&amp;nbsp; Because they, unlike us, know God by sight, not by faith:&amp;nbsp; “See that you don&#39;t despise one of these little ones:&amp;nbsp; for I say to you that their messengers in &lt;i&gt;the &lt;/i&gt;heavens always see the face of my Father in the heavens” (Matt. 18:10).&amp;nbsp; This is why the topic of salvation for human beings is a topic “into which angels long to look” (1 Pet. 1:12). They have nothing similar of their own.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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going through Revelation, “What will be our language in heaven?” referencing Revelation 7:9-10:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;“After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no
one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages,
standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with
palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, ‘Salvation
belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!’” (ESV)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Will it be that we will be worshiping and singing to the
Lord in our own language? And will we be communicating with our own languages
yet understanding each other and never needing any translation? (I’m thinking
of 1 Corinthians 13:12 on this.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Could you enlighten me please? I want to know your thoughts. —Jean R.&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;a name=&#39;more&#39;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;margin: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #20124d; font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;A:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;I can’t think of any verse in the Bible that addresses
directly the question of what language we will use after we die and go to
Paradise to be with the Lord (as in Rev. 7:9-10), or then again in the
Millennium after the resurrection, or then again after the Final Judgment in
the New Heavens and New Earth (see our teaching:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://totheendsblog.blogspot.com/2013/11/hell-hades-and-gehenna-list-of-verses.html&quot;&gt;https://totheendsblog.blogspot.com/2013/11/hell-hades-and-gehenna-list-of-verses.html&lt;/a&gt;
also &lt;a href=&quot;https://newchurchsermons.blogspot.com/2014/06/what-is-eternal-destiny-of-human-soul.html&quot;&gt;https://newchurchsermons.blogspot.com/2014/06/what-is-eternal-destiny-of-human-soul.html&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;I did have a Hebrew professor one time who assured us that we
would all be speaking Hebrew.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But I’m
not sure he was entirely serious about that, and he certainly didn’t offer any
proof.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;As far as indirect evidence goes, the best I can think of comes
from Peter’s statement that at Jesus’ return from heaven there will be a “restoration
of all things” (Acts 3:21).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is the
time that Jesus called the “regeneration” (in Matt. 19:28), which can also be
translated “renewal” or “rebirth” (&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;palingenesia
&lt;/i&gt;in Greek).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If “all things” are going
to be restored, I would assume that this includes the ability people had before
the time of the Tower of Babel to all speak with “one language” (Gen.
11:1).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Which language that was or will
be, I have no clue.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But it does mean we
will all be able to understand one another, and that the divisions that so
often create conflicts in our world today will be gone, including linguistic
divisions.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;I believe this is an important part of the symbolic meaning
of the Day of Pentecost, when Jewish pilgrims from many different nations and
language groups were supernaturally hearing the disciples speaking in their own
language (Acts 2:4-6).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Whether that’s
because the disciples were actually speaking other languages (a miracle of
speaking) or because God enabled them to hear in their own languages (a miracle
of hearing) or both, I can’t say.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But this,
I believe, was pointing towards God’s intention to reverse the judgment that
took place at the Tower of Babel and restore unity among the nations in his son
Jesus.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Whether this restoration of a
single language will be done through supernatural means, as on the Day of
Pentecost, or through everyone actually speaking one language in the way we
commonly speak languages today, I don’t know.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;But this is only speaking about the time of the resurrection, which
includes both the Millennium and the New Heavens and New Earth.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;When it comes to our time in Paradise before the
resurrection, which is what I believe Revelation is talking about in Rev.
7:9-10, this will be a different situation.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Why?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Because Paradise is not a
physical but rather a spiritual place.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;It’s where the souls of the righteous await the resurrection.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;We will have no physical bodies during this
time, and so we will not have the ability to speak mechanically as we do now.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Our bodies will still be in the grave.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;So this means that some other means of
communication will be necessary.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;I would
assume it would be much like when we speak to God in private prayer, or he speaks
something into our hearts, as many believers have experienced at different
times in their lives, not to mention the prophets of old (John 16:13).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;I suppose we can call that spiritual
communication.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And since it appears to operate
independent of any mechanical means, these thoughts clearly have the ability to
penetrate directly into our souls independent of ordinary language production, even
though in the Bible they are always understood as being spoken in a real human
language (again, whether it’s a miracle of speaking or of hearing or both is
unclear).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;So it seem quite likely, as Revelation indicates, that we
will be able to communicate with each other this way at that time.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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Messiah?&amp;nbsp; This was an open question in
Jesus’ day.&amp;nbsp; And it still generates
strong opinions today.&amp;nbsp; Does the Law of
Moses have any legitimate place in the Christian Church?&amp;nbsp; What about for Messianic believers in
Jesus?&amp;nbsp; And what about in the Messianic
age to come?&amp;nbsp; You may think your church
or Christian organization is exempt from such controversies.&amp;nbsp; But if your church teaches that Jesus did
away with the Law of Moses, how does it explain continued obedience to the Ten
Commandments?&amp;nbsp; This “moral law” as some
call it is still nevertheless a part of the Law of Moses.&amp;nbsp; So is the Law of Moses in force today or not?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The famous Messianic scholar Alfred Edersheim laid out some important
insights into these questions in the 14th appendix of his classic &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Unfortunately, his style of writing and the
difficulty of tracking down his references cause many to skip over this little
gem.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;So to make it more accessible, I’ve
written a brief summary with explanatory comments, complete with internet links
to his rabbinical references in English.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;His original writing is also linked below.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(A few of the links require you to sign-in to
archive.org and to “borrow” the book in order to read it.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The references that I can’t find at the indicated
location are marked with a “?”.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Edersheim may not answer all our questions.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But he helps us understand the background to
this discussion among the Jewish people.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Hopefully, this short summary will make it easier to grasp his main
points and to find many of his references.&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;a name=&#39;more&#39;&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;-----------------------------------------------&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;SUMMARY OF “THE LAW IN MESSIANIC TIMES”&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;In ancient Israel, there were many different views about
what would happen to the Law of Moses in the time of the Messiah.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;There were also different ideas about how or
if this Law would be imposed on the Gentiles.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Many were expecting a new law that would either replace or revise the
Law of Moses.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This idea is mentioned in
the gospel of John, where a delegation of religious leaders from Jerusalem
asked John the Baptist if he was “the Prophet” (John 1:21). &lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;This is a reference to the Prophet like Moses
mentioned in &lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Deut. 18:15,18&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 10.0pt; margin-left: .3in; margin-right: .3in; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0.3in 10pt;&quot;&gt;The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me
[like Moses] from among you, from your brothers; you will listen to him....&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;&quot;&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;I will raise up a prophet for them from among their brothers like you [like
you, Moses], and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them
all that I command him.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;This prophet “like Moses” was expected to have the ability
to make changes and/or make additions to the Mosaic Law.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;This idea was connected with the “new covenant” mentioned in
  &lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Jeremiah 31:31&lt;/span&gt; and following:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 10.0pt; margin-left: .3in; margin-right: .3in; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0.3in 10pt;&quot;&gt;Look, days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make with
the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant—not like the
covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I laid hold of their
hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Some changes of this kind were also associated with Elijah,
the forerunner of the Messiah (Malachi 3:22, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.sefaria.org/Mishnah_Eduyot.8.7?lang=en&quot;&gt;Eduyot 8:7&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Though here again, there were many different
opinions.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Echoes of the many different views held in Jesus’ day can be
found among the rabbis.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The strictest of
these denied any possibility of future changes in the Law.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;They held that even the destruction of the Jewish
Temple by the Romans (in AD 70), which made animal sacrifices impossible, was only
a temporary gap in their observance.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Once
the Temple was rebuilt, all the laws would be observed again without
change.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In the same way, any exile of
the Jewish people from Israel only freed them from laws directly attached to
the land itself and only for the duration of their exile.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;All other commandments stayed in force.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Today, while the Temple remains in ruins, the
offering of sacrifices has been replaced, according to the rabbis, by reading
about them in the Law of Moses, together with prayer and study of the details
of the Law (&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.sefaria.org/Megillah.31b.5?lang=en&quot;&gt;Megillah
31b&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;https://archive.org/details/midrashrabbah0001unse/page/368/mode/2up&quot;&gt;Bereishit
(Genesis) Rabbah 44&lt;/a&gt; [?], &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.sefaria.org/Berakhot.2a?lang=en&quot;&gt;Berakhot 2b&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.sefaria.org/Menachot.110a.6?lang=en&quot;&gt;Menachot 110a&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But this is only temporary.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;As for the most sacred day of the year, the
Day of Atonement, it’s now explained that the day itself rather than its
sacrifices is what brings reconciliation with God (&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.sefaria.org/Sifra%2C_Acharei_Mot%2C_Chapter_8.1?ven=Sifra_by_Rabbi_Shraga_Silverstein&amp;amp;lang=en&quot;&gt;Sifra,
Acharei Mot, 8.1&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;This strict view held that not only Biblical but also rabbinical
rulings, even those that had been intended for a limited time and purpose, were
to be kept forever (&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.sefaria.org/Beitzah.5b?lang=en&quot;&gt;Beitzah
5b&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Its adherents even went so far
as to claim in &lt;a href=&quot;https://archive.org/details/midrashrabbah0002unse/page/956/mode/2up&quot;&gt;Bereishit
(Genesis) Rabbah 98:9&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 10.0pt; margin-left: .3in; margin-right: .3in; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0.3in 10pt;&quot;&gt;Israel will not need the teaching of King Messiah in the
future, for it says, &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“The nations will seek
him”&lt;/i&gt; [Isa. 11:10]. The &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“nations” &lt;/i&gt;will
seek Messiah, that is, but not Israel.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;If so, for what purpose will King Messiah come, and what will he
do?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;He will come only to assemble the
dispersed of Israel and to give the Gentiles thirty commandments [that is, the
laws of Noah].&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;However, as mentioned in this same passage, even strict defenders
of the Law understood that the Gentiles would be given laws in the Messianic
era.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Some held that this meant the
Gentiles would be brought under the same laws as Israel.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Others held that only the thirty
commandments, that is, the laws of Noah, supposedly listed in Leviticus 19,
would be required (&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.sefaria.org/Chullin.92a.21?lang=en&quot;&gt;Chullin
92a&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;[These thirty commandments are
an amplification of the original seven laws of Noah taught by the rabbis and
others.]&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Others held that only three
commands would be binding on the Gentiles:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;two connected with the Feast of Tabernacles and a third with the
phylacteries (&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.sefaria.org/Midrash_Tehillim.31.1?lang=en&quot;&gt;Midrash
on Psalm 31.1&lt;/a&gt; [?]).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;But the strict view was a minority opinion.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Overall, the prevailing understanding among
the rabbis was that a new law would be given by the Messiah.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This new law is mentioned in a passage in &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.sefaria.org/Yalkut_Shimoni_on_Nach.429.1?lang=en&quot;&gt;Yalkut
Shimoni on Isaiah, Remez 429&lt;/a&gt; [English not available] which mentions “a new
law that God will give by the Messiah” in the age to come.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It also appears in the &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.sefaria.org/Shir_HaShirim_Rabbah.2.13.4?lang=en&amp;amp;with=About&amp;amp;lang2=en&quot;&gt;Midrash
on Song of Songs (Shir Ha-Shirim) 2:13&lt;/a&gt; [?] which, applying Jeremiah 31:31,
says that the Messiah will give a new law to Israel. Similarly, the &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.sefaria.org/Targum_Jonathan_on_Isaiah.12?lang=en&quot;&gt;Targum on
  &lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Isaiah 12:3&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; speaks of a “new instruction”: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 10.0pt; margin-left: .3in; margin-right: .3in; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0.3in 10pt;&quot;&gt;Behold, in the Word of God is my salvation; I am trusting,
and will not be moved, because my strength and my praise is the fear of the
Lord:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;He has spoken by his Word, and he
is become my Savior.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And you will
receive a new instruction with joy from the chosen of the righteous. (Targum
  Jonathan on &lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Isa. 12:2-3&lt;/span&gt;)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;A new “Law” in the “world to come” is also mentioned in &lt;a href=&quot;https://archive.org/details/midrashrabbah0000unse/page/166/mode/2up?view=theater&quot;&gt;Yayikra
(Leviticus) Rabbah 13.3&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;But the Talmud goes even further, stating that in the “age
to come,” the whole ceremonial Law and all the feasts will cease (&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.sefaria.org/Midrash_Tehillim.146.3?lang=en&quot;&gt;Midrash on Psalm
146.3&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;All that had formerly been
“bound” or forbidden will be “loosed” or allowed, including the distinction
between clean and unclean animals. Only the thank offering and the Day of
Atonement, or perhaps the Feast of Esther, will continue.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;This variety of rabbinic views helps us understand the
attempt by the Pharisees at the Council of Jerusalem to force Gentile believers
to observe the entire Law of Moses (Acts 15:5).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;It also helps us understand Paul’s distinctly different point of view
and its similarity to Peter’s views, as well as the way Peter handled the new
converts at the house of Cornelius at Caesarea (Acts 10-11, 15:6-11).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It also explains the overall proceedings of
the Council of Jerusalem itself (in Acts 15).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Paul, in his opposition to the Pharisaic party among the believers, was
actually maintaining a fully orthodox Jewish position.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But when he asserted not only a “new law of
liberty” [a phrase from James 1:25 and 2:12 referring to the Law of the
Messiah] but also the typical and preparatory nature of the Law of Moses and
its fulfillment in Jesus, he went beyond the Jewish standpoint (Gal. 3:19-29,
Rom. 10:4).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The views surveyed above also show that the scholarly theory
that Paul and Peter had opposing views on this topic has no basis in the Jewish
opinions circulating at the time, unless it’s supposed that Peter held the
strict view, which doesn’t match with what we know about his life.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;They also help us understand how Peter’s vision of the
unclean animals descending from heaven may have been based on contemporary Jewish
expectations (Acts 10:9-16).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;They also explain why the Council of Jerusalem settled the
question of the Gentiles by turning to the laws of Noah.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;[These included the three requirements that
the Council &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; require of Gentiles:
no idolatry, no immorality, and nothing strangled, i.e. with blood in it (Acts
15:20,29).]&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Finally, they cast light on the authorship of John’s
gospel.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Uniquely among the gospels, his
mention of “the Prophet,” which implies that changes to the Law would be made
by the Messiah, shows close familiarity with Jewish ideas.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This would have been impossible if this gospel
had been composed in the second century, as claimed by the “Ephesian Gospel”
theory.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;---------------------------------------&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;So to review what Edersheim says here:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The idea that the Messiah would bring changes
to the Law of Moses had deep roots in Israel, going back even to Moses himself
and the prophets of Israel.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Some thought
these changes would be minimal, affecting primarily the Gentiles.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But others were anticipating a whole new law and even the complete replacement of the Law of Moses.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This helps us understand the diversity of
views mentioned in the New Testament and especially at the Council of Jerusalem
in Acts 15.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;But what about Jesus himself?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;How did he understand the effect of his earthly
ministry on the Law of Moses?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 10.0pt; margin-left: .3in; margin-right: .3in; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0.3in 10pt;&quot;&gt;Do not suppose that I came to abolish the Law or the
Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but rather to fulfill them.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;For ‘amen’ I say to you, until the heaven and
the earth pass away, a single letter or a single stroke [of a letter] will
certainly not pass away from the Law until all comes to pass (&lt;span class=&quot;noref&quot;&gt;Matt. 5:17-18&lt;/span&gt;).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Not even the smallest section of the Law can be done away
with until the coming of the New Heavens and the New Earth.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But that didn’t stop Jesus from making
authoritative rulings on disputed points of law.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Nor did it stop him from adding new commands
of his own to be followed by his disciples.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;These new commands are what the apostles called the Law of the Messiah
(Rom. 8:2, 1 Cor. 9:21, Gal. 6:2).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And
unlike the old Law, they would apply both to his Jewish and his Gentile
followers (Matt. 28:19-20).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ccel.org/ccel/edersheim/lifetimes.xi.xiii.html&quot;&gt;Read Edersheim’s
original Appendix here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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Me” (&lt;i&gt;Tetzavuni&lt;/i&gt;) and said we can
command Jesus to do healing, not ask!&amp;nbsp; The
poster has different translations of Isa. 45:11, including the original
Hebrew.&amp;nbsp; Is this true?&amp;nbsp; How to explain the Hebrew here? –Ruth C.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span face=&quot;&amp;quot;Segoe UI&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;sans-serif&amp;quot;&quot; style=&quot;background: white; font-size: 10pt; line-height: 115%;&quot;&gt;NOTE:&amp;nbsp; The poster includes an English translation
from the Darby Bible:&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“Thus saith Jehovah, the Holy One of Israel,
and his Maker: Ask me of the things to come; concerning my sons, and concerning
the work of my hands, command ye me”&lt;/i&gt; (Isa. 45:11)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #20124d; font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;A:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;It’s certainly true that many translate the end of
this verse as &lt;i&gt;“you command me concerning
the works of my hands.” &lt;/i&gt;But meaning is derived from context, and so we need
to look at the context to figure out what this means. &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The passage appears in the middle of a prophecy about Cyrus, the
Persian ruler who defeated the Babylonians (in 539 BC).&amp;nbsp; God says that he will &lt;i&gt;“subdue nations”&lt;/i&gt;
before Cyrus, even though Cyrus doesn’t know the God of Israel:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;“though you have not known me&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;”&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;(Isa. 45:1,4).&amp;nbsp; And why will God support Cyrus in this way?&amp;nbsp; In order to prove that&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;“besides me there is no God”&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;(Isa.
45:5-6). &amp;nbsp;Not only does the prophecy
mention Cyrus by name, it also mentions that he will rebuild Jerusalem and let
the Jewish exiles go free (Isa. 45:13).&amp;nbsp; These are tremendous miracles that actually happened more than a hundred years after Isaiah’s prophecy was given.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;a name=&#39;more&#39;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;But right in the middle of this prophecy, God rebukes those who quarrel
with their maker: &lt;i&gt;“Woe to the one who
contends with his maker – an earthen vessel among the vessels of earth”&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;(Isa.
45:9-10).&amp;nbsp; He then goes on to assert his supreme authority: &lt;i&gt;“I made the earth and created man on it”&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;(Isa. 45:12).&amp;nbsp; Since God is the one in authority, he can exercise that authority any way he
wants.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;This is where God identifies
himself as the mighty one of Israel:&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“This is what the L&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;ORD&lt;/span&gt; says, the holy one of
Israel and the one who has formed him,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;;&quot;&gt;‘&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;nquire
of me about the things to come concerning my sons&lt;/i&gt;’&lt;i&gt;”&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;(Isa. 45:11). This is a challenge to his people Israel to turn
to God if they want to find out about the future – the very future he’s proclaiming in his prophecy about Cyrus.&amp;nbsp; This contrasts with his rebuke of idols and those who worship them in verses 16 and 20. No one else, no other god, has this kind of information about the future.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The verse then ends with the statement in question, &lt;i&gt;“And you will command me concerning the work
of my hands.”&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp; The implication is
that if Israel will turn to (&lt;i&gt;“inquire of”&lt;/i&gt;) the God of Israel rather than the false gods, they’ll be able to command him concerning his creation.&amp;nbsp; In other words, God will favor them even more than Cyrus, since unlike Cyrus, they will know God and be his children.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The claim that people will be able to command God at first seems
entirely impossible.&amp;nbsp; As a result, many
translations try to soften the meaning.&amp;nbsp;
One solution is to turn it into a question:&amp;nbsp; “Will you instruct me about the work of my
hands?” (Isa. 45:11 in the JPS Tanakh 1985).&amp;nbsp; Another is to change the meaning of the verb altogether:&amp;nbsp; “And you will commit to me the work of my hands” (NASB).&amp;nbsp; But it’s difficult to justify either of these in Hebrew.&amp;nbsp; So how can we understand this promise, which seems too good to be true?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;There’s an important parallel in the New Testament.&amp;nbsp; Jesus taught, &lt;i&gt;“whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give to you”&lt;/i&gt;
(John 15:16, also John 14:13-14, 16:23-26).&amp;nbsp;
Here, too, we have an incredible promise in which asking God is followed
by his granting the request.&amp;nbsp; The main
difference is that in John this is called asking God, while in Isaiah it’s
called commanding God.&amp;nbsp; But there’s
another passage in the New Testament that involves a command:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Jesus taught, &lt;i&gt;“Have
faith from God.*&amp;nbsp; Amen I say to you that
he who says to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and be thrown into the sea,’ and
doesn’t doubt in his heart, but rather trusts that what he says comes to be,
it will be for him”&lt;/i&gt; (Mark 11:22-23).&amp;nbsp;
It’s true that the command here is given to the mountain and not to God.&amp;nbsp; But God is still the one who makes it
happen:&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“Because of this I say to you, all things that you pray and ask, trust
that you have received them, and they will be for you”&lt;/i&gt; (Mark 11:24).&amp;nbsp; This tells us that the command to the mountain is a form of
prayer to God.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* Though this is often translated, “have faith in God,” the Greek
uses a subjective genitive to indicate that the source of the faith is
God:&amp;nbsp; it’s a faith that comes from God
rather than being a faith that we have mustered up on our own.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;All of these verses, however, face the obstacle that many have
experienced personally:&amp;nbsp; I asked
something from God (or perhaps commanded something), and it didn’t happen.&amp;nbsp; How then should we understand these
promises?&amp;nbsp; Obviously they don’t mean that
everything we ask under any circumstance will automatically be done by
God.&amp;nbsp; Even a command, as we saw in Mark,
is a type of request, and that means it can only take place by the will of God.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Many point to a lack of faith when prayers aren’t answered.&amp;nbsp; And we can certainly all join with the
apostles in asking Jesus to “increase our faith” (Luke 17:5).&amp;nbsp; We need to replace our faith with the faith
of God in order to see our requests answered.&amp;nbsp; There’s also the question of timing:&amp;nbsp; that our request has not yet been answered
doesn’t mean it never will be.&amp;nbsp; Some
things take time.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;But one thing all of the verses listed above have in common:&amp;nbsp; they challenge us to draw closer to God and to believe that faith will produce miracles.&amp;nbsp; God isn’t
calling us to be slaves, but to be his sons and daughters (Gal. 3:26, 4:5-7) and eventually to rule and reign with him (2 Tim. 2:12, Rev. 20:4).&amp;nbsp; He wants to do even greater things for us than he did for Cyrus.&amp;nbsp; We may have had prayer failures along the way, but this only shows that there’s a learning curve to all of this.&amp;nbsp; As we draw closer to God, our will will align more closely with his, and that means that more of what we ask will be granted.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;(For more on this and related topics, see our&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href=&quot;https://totheends.com/sem4.html&quot;&gt;Great Discoveries of the Bible Seminar&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; 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Exo. 4:24-25 (Q&amp;A)</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #20124d; font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;Q:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, times new roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: inherit;&quot;&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: inherit;&quot;&gt;bout
Exodus 4:24-25:&amp;nbsp; Why did God want to kill
Moses? And why did Zipporah cut off her son’s foreskin and cast it at Moses’
feet? Why did she say Moses is truly a “bridegroom of blood”? –Ruth C.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #20124d; font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;A:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Zipporah called Moses a
“bridegroom of blood” because of the circumcision of their son (Exo. 4:26).&amp;nbsp; This refers to the small amount of blood
produced in a circumcision.&amp;nbsp; But we know
little else about this incident.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;It’s especially puzzling that the Lord wanted to put Moses
to death, since he was in the process of going to Egypt to do exactly what the
Lord had asked him to do (Exo. 4:24).&amp;nbsp;
But something similar happened to the prophet Balaam when he went to
prophesy over Israel.&amp;nbsp; He, too, was on
his way in obedience to the command of God (Num. 22:20).&amp;nbsp; But even though he was obeying God, God was
angry with him (Num. 22:22).&amp;nbsp; In the
Balaam story, it’s clear that God wanted to put fear in Balaam’s heart to
make sure that he only spoke the words that God wanted him to speak (“and the
word that I speak to you, only that will you speak,” Num. 22:35).&amp;nbsp; So perhaps this is also what God was doing
with Moses.&amp;nbsp; We know that people often go
through a big spiritual struggle when God is calling them to do some great
thing, and this seems to be what Moses was going through.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;a name=&#39;more&#39;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;But there’s also the possibility that the Lord wasn’t seeking to
kill Moses but rather his son: the Bible only uses the pronoun “him.”&amp;nbsp; This assumes a connection with the
immediately preceding verse in which God told Moses to threaten pharaoh’s
first-born son with death if he didn’t let Israel go (“I will kill your son,
your first-born,” Exo. 4:23).&amp;nbsp; In the
same way, God’s covenant with Abraham threatened death for all his male
descendants who weren’t circumcised (“that soul will be cut off from his
people,” Gen. 17:14).&amp;nbsp; This was
understood to mean death at the hand of God. Perhaps God was coming to kill Moses’
son because he wasn’t circumcised, and relented once the circumcision was
performed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;This raises the question of why Moses’ son hadn’t been
circumcised previously.&amp;nbsp; God’s covenant
with Abraham required circumcision on the eighth day after birth (Gen.
17:12).&amp;nbsp; But Moses hadn’t done
this.&amp;nbsp; Many assume this is why God
attacked Moses, and that Zipporah saved the day by circumcising her son.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;But it’s also possible that Moses had wanted his son to be
circumcised, but up until now Zipporah had refused.&amp;nbsp; Only when she saw Moses’ spiritual struggle did
she finally relent and circumcise him herself.&amp;nbsp;
But there’s not enough information to decide between these possibilities.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The same is true of her calling Moses a “bridegroom of
blood.”&amp;nbsp; While many assume that this is
because she was upset about the circumcision, the verse doesn&#39;t actually say
that she “threw”&amp;nbsp;her son’s foreskin at Moses’ feet (as often translated),
implying anger on her part.&amp;nbsp; Rather it
says she “made it touch his feet” (&lt;i&gt;v’taga
l’ragelav&lt;/i&gt;, Exo. 4:25).&amp;nbsp; This can be understood as laying it at his feet.&amp;nbsp; This would make it rather an act of
submission or even of reverence.&amp;nbsp; Since
blood was often used in making covenants, she may even have seen this as
establishing a deeper covenantal bond between herself and Moses, rather than as
something negative.&amp;nbsp; But here again, there is
not enough information to decide between the different possibilities.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;(For more on this and related topics, see our&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href=&quot;https://totheends.com/sem4.html&quot;&gt;Great Discoveries of the Bible Seminar&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.totheends.com/page12.html#Q&amp;amp;A&quot;&gt;&lt;img border=&quot;0&quot; data-original-height=&quot;85&quot; data-original-width=&quot;77&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjcECbk4-iDYkHVNxNvthWOzzXJ9Kbec-gdYE7XSRDprXyb_FLdgOhJFmAgRlTYMRrHYGpGh31ESoiYHtF_OGtaxhsEEiD9W50lumy0sP3GBVXB9v2bCVAta9VxyH8Ne1MxWCcqmhGFfQs/s1600/scroll.jpg&quot; 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The warning of coming judgment is a common theme in the Bible.&amp;nbsp; But only in a few places is this expressed as the land itself crying out because of the sins that have taken place on it (Isa. 33:9; Jer. 12:4, 23:10; Hos. 4:3, Joel 1:10; Zech. 12:12).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;H&lt;/span&gt;ere in Micah, the land speaks directly to lament the tragedies it has suffered and those that were coming in the future.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This unusual&amp;nbsp;prophecy&amp;nbsp;caught the imagination of Jesus.&amp;nbsp; He quoted a portion of it in his own prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem (Matt. 10:34-36, Luke 12:51-53).&amp;nbsp; It’s outcry of the land contains an important message for us today when people and nations are once again at risk of spoiling their land through sin and incurring the judgment that will follow.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;Micah spoke shortly before the
devastating Assyrian conquest of the northern kingdom of Israel.&amp;nbsp; This northern kingdom, which had broken away after the time of Solomon, ruled the northern ten tribes for two hundred years.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; But almost immediately, it began a dangerous spiritual decline. Micah&lt;/span&gt;’&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;s message came at&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;a
time of political turmoil:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;The northern
kingdom had been ruled by five rulers in the space of twenty years.&amp;nbsp; Two of these had ruled for less than a year, and three of them had gained the throne by
murdering its former occupant.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;False
prophets filled the land with false hope (Micah 3:5-7).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And this spiritual and moral corruption was
spreading south to Judah.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But despite the judgment and destruction that Micah warns was coming, in the end God will restore his people.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The Lament of the Land is the climax and final chapter of the book of Micah (Micah 7):&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;a name=&#39;more&#39;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[1]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Woe to me!&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;For I have become like the gatherings of summer fruit;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Like the gleanings of a grape harvest.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;There is not a cluster of grapes to eat;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;A first-ripe fig my soul desires.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-left: 0em;&quot;&gt;The “gatherings of summer fruit” refer to the harvests of different kinds of fruit that take place in August and September in Israel.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is ordinarily considered a time of great
abundance and joy.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But from the point of
view of the land itself, the once heavily laden trees and vines have all been
laid bare; their bounty of fruit stripped away.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;The fields and orchards appear desolate and forlorn.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;No cluster of grapes remains hanging on the
vines.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The first-ripe figs of springtime, considered the tastiest of all, are nowhere to be found.&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[2]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;The godly one has perished from the land,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;And the upright among man is not.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;All of them lie in ambush for blood;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;They hunt, each man his brother, with a net.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;We now learn that the missing clusters of grapes and first-ripe figs are a poetic image of the lack of upright people in the land.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The godly man is out of season.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;All now act as criminals,
seeking to trap and hurt their fellows.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;This is a picture of the lawless conditions and political turmoil in
the time of Micah.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[3]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;With regard to evil, both palms do well:&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;The prince asks, even the judge, for a bribe,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;And the great speaks out the desire of his soul,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -2em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;And they weave it together.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;One of these two “palms” of the hand is the prince (the king),
who in those days also acted as a judge—here a corrupt judge.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The other is the “great” (or wealthy,
influential) man, who has the power to get whatever he wants.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;These two work together like a pair of
malicious hands doing evil.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[4a]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;The good one among them is like a briar;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;The upright like a thorn bush.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Even the best of the people are like dangerous thorn bushes, the natural groundcover in much of Israel.&amp;nbsp; Their thorns and barbs stick in your pants, socks, and shoes when you walk across the land.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Some will even sting you.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[4b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;The day of your watchmen [Israel],&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Your visitation, has come!&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Now will their dismay be!&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Because of the debased state of the nation, the day is upon
Israel (“your” is masculine singular) when their watchmen will shout out the
alarm, warning of an invading army.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But
this is not a random attack: it’s a
visitation of God himself against a lawless nation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[5]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Don’t trust in a companion.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Don’t confide in a friend.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;From the one lying on your bosom&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -2em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Guard the openings of your mouth.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The times are so dangerous that you can’t trust a friend or
even a lover, but must watch carefully everything you say.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[6]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;For son despises father,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Daughter has risen up against her mother;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;A man’s enemies are the men of
  his own household.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The situation is so bad that even within families, there
are divisions and dangers. This verse was quoted by Jesus to deny that
he came to bring peace on the earth (Matt. 10:34-36, Luke 12:51-53).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Rather, he said, he came to
bring division like that in the time of Micah; a division between those who accept and those who reject his offer of mercy from God.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[7]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Yet I, in Y&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;EHUAH&lt;/span&gt;* I will watch.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;I will wait for the God of my salvation.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;My God will hear me.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Yet in spite of all this, the land itself is faithfully looking to God
to deliver it from the terrible judgment that is coming because of sin.&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;* &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: white; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, Times, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;The personal name of God (Y&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: xx-small;&quot;&gt;HWH&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;).&amp;nbsp; Its pronunciation is uncertain, replaced with&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;background-color: white; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, Times, serif;&quot;&gt;Adonai&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: white; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, Times, serif;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: white; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, Times, serif; font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;when reading by the Jewish people or by &lt;q&gt;the Lord&lt;/q&gt; or &lt;q&gt;the L&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: white; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, Times, serif; font-size: xx-small;&quot;&gt;ORD&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/q&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: white; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, Times, serif; font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt; in most Christian Bibles.&amp;nbsp; This is one of several possible reconstructions.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://totheends.com/questionsi.htm#Yahweh&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: navy; font-family: Times New Roman, Times, serif;&quot;&gt;Click here for more on God’s name.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[8]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Do not rejoice over me, my enemy,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Though I have fallen, I have endured.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Though I sit in darkness,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Y&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;EHUAH&lt;/span&gt; is a light to me.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Though the land has fallen in defeat before an enemy, it’s
able to endure a time of spiritual darkness because of the light of the Lord.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[9a]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;The rage of Y&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;EHUAH&lt;/span&gt; I will bear,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;For I have sinned against him,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Until he pleads my case&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;And executes my judgment.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Has the land itself committed sin?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Or is this rather a sin by
association with the sinners living on it (compare Gen. 6:11-12)?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If so, the land has taken on itself the
sins of others, an example of the innocent suffering for the wicked. This is the same idea that underlies the sacrificial system of Israel as well as the sacrifice of Jesus on the
cross.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The land is willing to endure the
punishment of the Lord because of the sins of its residents and to wait for God to
bring deliverance.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[9b-10a]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;He will lead me out to the light.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;I will see his righteousness.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;And my enemy will see it,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;And shame will cover her—&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;In the end, God will surely deliver the land by his
righteousness, just as he later delivered Jesus from death, and the enemy will see it and be ashamed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[10b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;The one saying to me,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;“Where is Y&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;EHUAH&lt;/span&gt; your God?”—&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;My eyes will look [in victory] at her.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The enemy mocks the land’s hope in God.&amp;nbsp; But in the end, the land will prevail over its enemy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[10c-11]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Then she will be a place of trampling,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Like mud in the streets.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;A day to build your walls,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;That day your border will be distant.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;In that final victory, the enemy land will be trampled on in
victory.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; As a result, she&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;will have to return home to defend
herself, moving her threatening border far away.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[12]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;That day will be, yet to you [Israel] he [God] is coming&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;From Assyria and the cities of Matzor [Egypt]&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;And from Matzor and to the River [Euphrates]&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;And from sea to sea, and mountain to the mountain [Jerusalem].&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Yes, the enemy will one day be defeated.&amp;nbsp; But first “you” (Israel,
masculine singular) are going to receive God’s judgment.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This will come at the hand of the Assyrians.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; And this is exactly what happened:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;the Assyrians
advanced first south to Egypt (poetically here called Matzor) and then back
again, leaving desolation in their wake.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;“Sea to sea” is from the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean Sea; “mountain
to the mountain” is from the mountains of Assyria in the north to the holy
mountain of Jerusalem in the south, which the Assyrians besieged in the lifetime of Micah.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;All this is a description of the actual extent of Assyrian aggression.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[13]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;And the land will be a desolation&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Because of those dwelling upon her&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;From the fruit of their deeds.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The land will be made desolate, in punishment for the sins
of those living upon her.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[14a]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Shepherd your people [Lord] with your rod,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;The flock of your possession,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;The one dwelling alone in a wood&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;In the midst of Carmel.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The rod is a symbol of judgment, but also of the care of the
shepherd who protects his flock from danger.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;This sometimes involves swatting them to get their attention:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;a small punishment to keep them from far greater
danger.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This protective care is compared
to taking a flock of sheep and goats to the forest on top of Mt. Carmel.&amp;nbsp; This was a place where people could retreat for safety in times of danger.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It’s also a picture of the remnant that would survive the Assyrian onslaught.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[14b-15]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Let them graze Bashan and Gilead&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;As in days long past.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;As in the days of your coming out of the land of Egypt,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;I [God] will show him [Israel] extraordinary things.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Here the prophet appeals to God to let his people expand once
again as far as Bashan (the Golan Heights) and Gilead, both up on the heights
above the east bank of the Jordan River.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;These are areas that Israel had conquered in the time of Moses, when great
miracles had taken place.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; In response,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;God speaks through the prophet, revealing that he will do great miracles again.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[16]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Nations will see and will be ashamed&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Of all their might.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;They will put their hand upon their mouth;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Their ears will be deaf.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The nations, despite their military power, will once again see
God’s care of Israel, and be in awe.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[17]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;They will lick up dust as the snake,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;As the crawling things of the land.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;They will come trembling from their fortresses&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;To Y&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;EHUAH&lt;/span&gt; our God.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -2em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;They will be in dread and they will be afraid of you.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The nations will be
in fear of Israel and will turn to the Lord.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[18a]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Who is a God like you,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Who forgives a transgression&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;And who overlooks a sin&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -2em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;For the remnant of his possession?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Who is like God, who forgives the sins of his people?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[18b-19a]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;He has not kept his anger forever&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;For he delights in kindness.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;He will repent; he will have compassion on us.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;He will overcome our transgressions.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;God will eventually have compassion on Israel, and forgive
them for their sins.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[19b]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;And you will cast into the depths of the sea&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;All their sins.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;He will remove their sins completely from them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #990000;&quot;&gt;[20]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;You will give truth to Jacob,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -6em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Kindness to Abraham,&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Which you swore to our fathers&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 6em; margin-top: 0px; text-indent: -4em;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;From the days of old.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;God will extend truth and kindness to Israel as he promised
to the patriarchs of old.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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astonished to realize, in reading Joshua 24, that they buried the bones of
Joseph in Shechem instead of in the cave of Machpelah, where Sarah, Abraham,
Isaac, and Jacob were buried...&amp;nbsp; Do a word-search on Shechem and you&#39;ll find that it is a
rather nefarious place. Why did they bury him there?&amp;nbsp; I was also a little distressed to realize that Stephen, in
the book of Acts, says that Abraham bought the land&lt;/span&gt; in Shechem, but Moses wrote
that it was Jacob that bought land there. –Sarah P.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #20124d; font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;A:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 11.5pt; line-height: 107%;&quot;&gt;Welcome to the tension between the north and the south in Israel.&amp;nbsp; This tension goes all the way back to the division
of Saul’s kingdom in the time of David, a division that reemerged when the
kingdom was divided again after the death of Solomon.&amp;nbsp; It then reappears in the time of the New
Testament in the tension between the Samaritans in the north and the Judeans in
the south.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Among these tensions were some different and conflicting traditions.&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;What
does this have to do with Shechem?&amp;nbsp; Let’s
begin with the burial place of the twelve patriarchs, the sons of
Jacob, one of whom was Joseph.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Acts 7:16 implies that they were all buried in Shechem:&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“And
they &lt;/i&gt;[the antecedent of “they” is “our fathers” in vs. 15]&lt;i&gt; were removed to Shechem and laid in the
tomb that Abraham had purchased for a sum of money from the sons of Hamor in
Shechem.”*&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp; That the brothers were buried in Shechem certainly makes
sense, as the children of Israel under Joshua came into possession of this area
before they did of Hebron.&amp;nbsp; And it seems logical that they would bury the others
where Joseph was buried: &lt;i&gt;“And they buried
the bones of Joseph, which the sons of Israel brought up from Egypt, at
Shechem”&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;(Joshua 24:32).&amp;nbsp; However, the
Bible only mentions the bones of Joseph being brought along in the Exodus: &lt;i&gt;“And Moses took the bones of Joseph with
him”&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;(Exo. 13:19).&amp;nbsp; Nothing is said, except in the book of Acts, about
the burial of his brothers.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;a name=&#39;more&#39;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Times New Roman, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p style=&quot;font-size: 11.5pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;*
That this doesn&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;t i&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;nclude Jacob himself is evident from the account of his
burial at Hebron: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;“For &lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;[Jacob’s]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;&quot;&gt; sons carried him to the land of Canaan and
buried him in the cave…opposite Mamre &lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;[by Hebron]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: small;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;(Gen. 50:13).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: 11.5pt;&quot;&gt;That
the brothers were buried at Shechem with Joseph was a long-standing
tradition.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;In the time of Jerome, the famous church father (4th-5th
century AD), the tombs of the twelve patriarchs were still shown in Shechem and not at Hebron.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;However, this claim was disputed by those in the
south.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Josephus, the Jewish historian, says that Joseph’s brothers (though
not Joseph himself) were buried at Hebron, and implies that this was done
before the Exodus (as Acts 7 could also be understood to imply, though with
regard to Shechem rather than Hebron):&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;text-align: left;&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;At length [Joseph’s] brethren died, after they
had lived happily in Egypt.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Now the posterity and sons of these men,
after some time, carried their bodies, and buried them at Hebron; but as to the
bones of Joseph, they carried them into the land of Canaan afterward, when the
Hebrews went out of Egypt, for so had Joseph made them promise him. (&lt;i&gt;Antiquities
2.199-200)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;This Hebron burial is also mentioned in&amp;nbsp;the
intertestamental books of &lt;i&gt;Jubilees&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;and the&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;Testaments of
the Twelve Patriarchs&lt;/i&gt;. But no evidence is offered to support this claim, nor
is there any evidence that their tombs were ever shown to anyone there. So these
are clearly conflicting traditions.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;But
why would &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; of the brothers, including
Joseph himself, be buried at Shechem?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;You’re quite right that some
disturbing things took place there.&amp;nbsp; The
story of the rape of Dinah and the subsequent murder of the men of Shechem are
deeply disturbing events (Gen. 34:2, 25-27).&amp;nbsp;
But that’s not the whole story.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Jacob had bought land there
before he built an altar on it (Gen. 33:19-20).&amp;nbsp; And despite all the bad
things that happened, the people of Shechem had made a covenant with the
Israelites, a covenant to become &lt;i&gt;“one
people”&lt;/i&gt; (Gen. 34:22)—a covenant that was never revoked.&amp;nbsp; This promise
of unity became a reality when the sons of Jacob took the wives and children of
those who were slain at Shechem, and these people then joined them in their
travels: &lt;i&gt;“and they captured and plundered
all their wealth and all their little ones and their wives…” &lt;/i&gt;(Gen. 34:29). This
soon made them genetically one people.&amp;nbsp; And
despite the tragic events that had taken place, it seems that the covenantal
origins of this relationship were never forgotten.&amp;nbsp; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;This
ancestral relationship appeared in a much more positive light in the time of
Joshua, when the people of Shechem were bravely resisting the demands of the
Egyptian pharaoh and needed the help of the recently arrived Israelites.&amp;nbsp;
We actually have records of the plight of the people of Shechem in the Amarna
Letters, written in the time of Joshua.&amp;nbsp; These letters tell us that the
ruler of Shechem was cooperating with the invaders that we know to be the
Israelites.&amp;nbsp; In fact, he “gave the land
of Shechem” to them (EA 298).&amp;nbsp; This explains why, when Joshua divided the
land, the &lt;i&gt;“sons of Shechem”&lt;/i&gt; were
included in the tribal allotment:&amp;nbsp; they had joined Israel (Josh.
17:2).&amp;nbsp; Otherwise, it’s hard to imagine why the Israelites had no
opposition in Shechem and didn’t have to fight to take that area, unlike their
experience in the rest of Canaan.*&amp;nbsp;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt;*
The Gibeonites were another local group that joined Israel, but because they
made a covenant under false pretenses (they lied about their true identity and
location), they suffered the penalty of being made second-class citizens
(Joshua 9).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p style=&quot;font-size: 9.5pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: 11.5pt;&quot;&gt;But
why then does Acts 7 say that Abraham bought a tomb at Shechem?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;No
such thing is mentioned in Genesis.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;But the idea does help explain a
couple of things in the Bible. (1) As we have just seen, Jacob bought land at
Shechem before building his altar there (Gen. 33:19-20).&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Wouldn’t it
be likely for Abraham to have done the same thing?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;(2) There is also
the strange inheritance that Jacob gave to Joseph:&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;“And I give you one portion&lt;/i&gt; [literally “one shoulder” (or “Shechem”)
of land] &lt;i&gt;more than your brothers, which I
took from the hand of the Amorite with my sword and my bow”&lt;/i&gt; (Gen.
48:22).&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;This military action doesn’t match the massacre connected
with Dinah very well, since the land Jacob was living on there at the time had
been purchased, not taken.&amp;nbsp; But it&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif; font-size: 11.5pt;&quot;&gt;s
just possible that at some point he had to defend a piece of land that the
family already owned there,&amp;nbsp;tracing back to Abraham, that he joined to the
additional land that he bought himself.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;This tradition would be more
likely to be remembered in the north, and be remembered with great pride as it tied the northern tribes that
much more closely to Abraham.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;There
are also other attempts to answer this question.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;But the most likely
explanation is that Abraham did in fact buy land in Shechem, though Genesis
doesn’t mention it. Here the twelve
brothers were buried, as people in the north continued to maintain. Only later, because of tensions between the Judeans and the Samaritans--Shechem being the most important Samaritan city--did those in the south begin to claim that eleven of the brothers were
buried at Hebron rather than at Shechem. But the older tradition was never forgotten, and wasn&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;t contradicted when
Stephen mentioned it to the Sanhedrin Council.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 11.5pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times, &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;, serif;&quot;&gt;It’s difficult to imagine that Stephen could make an error about
such well-known events, events that could so easily be “fact checked,”
especially when speaking before the Sanhedrin Council.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Clearly, &lt;i&gt;we&lt;/i&gt;
are the ones who are missing something here, not him.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Many times,
the smallest additional piece of evidence is enough to resolve enigmas like
this.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Perhaps in the future something will be discovered that
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captured the ark, and how God showed the Philistines that he was greater than
Dagon…&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 115%;&quot;&gt;If the Philistines were Greeks, why don’t we see
them worshipping any of the Greek gods – only Dagon?&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;--Sarah P.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #20124d; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;A:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;You’re right that the Philistines
have now been identified as Greeks of some kind—or at least that they developed
from an original core of Greeks that settled in what is today Israel and intermarried
with the local population.&amp;nbsp; This is the
result of both DNA analysis, pottery analysis, and the similarity of cultural
practices that point to a connection with Greece and/or other areas of Greek
influence (such as Cyprus, Crete, and western Turkey).&amp;nbsp; These include the bronze greaves worn by Goliath,
the Philistine hero that was defeated by David (1 Sam. 17:6), and even Goliath’s call to
one-on-one combat (representative warfare), otherwise unknown in the area.&amp;nbsp; However, the connection with the Philistines is at a very early time in Greek history known as the Mycenaean Age (15th-11th
cent. BC).&amp;nbsp; This was long before the
Classical Age of Greece (5th-4th cent. BC) with its well-known Greek gods (the
Olympian gods).&amp;nbsp; It was even before the
Archaic Period (8th-6th cent. BC) in which the Greek alphabet first appears.&amp;nbsp; (See
diagram)&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;a name=&#39;more&#39;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg8PMAE0beV1v2TzE_AboqmZXFV3U0P13u9Tzt4ZpVJJ6yIYr_lcySUjzonMD8wZkvBPG-_1cTCkghYrB8c9myZtzSD7iasSPEDhBzUlcL2eiY4LWwvfKWD883UFhrYN5rb9WFjkkfMcBg/s2048/Greek+History.jpg&quot; style=&quot;margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;&quot;&gt;&lt;img border=&quot;0&quot; data-original-height=&quot;1151&quot; data-original-width=&quot;2048&quot; height=&quot;225&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg8PMAE0beV1v2TzE_AboqmZXFV3U0P13u9Tzt4ZpVJJ6yIYr_lcySUjzonMD8wZkvBPG-_1cTCkghYrB8c9myZtzSD7iasSPEDhBzUlcL2eiY4LWwvfKWD883UFhrYN5rb9WFjkkfMcBg/w400-h225/Greek+History.jpg&quot; width=&quot;400&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But this was not only a matter of the passage of time:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The Archaic Period was separated from the
earlier Mycenaean Age by the Greek Dark Ages (11th-8th cent. BC), during which
literacy was completely lost and even the Mycenaean script (Linear B) was forgotten.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The great Mycenaean palaces and cities were destroyed
or abandoned.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;There was a huge decrease
in population.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This was clearly a time
of great trauma for the Mycenaean civilization, great enough to bring that
civilization to a close.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;What exactly
happened is debated, since as a “Dark Age” we don’t have much information
about it.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Was it famine?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Invasion?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Earthquakes?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But whatever
happened seems to have affected the whole of the Eastern Mediterranean:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;all the way from the Hittites in the north to
the Egyptians in the south.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And it involved,
either as a cause or as a result of all these changes, a mysterious group known as
the “Sea Peoples.”&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;The Sea Peoples were loosely-organized groups of invaders from the general area of
Greece and even further afield (including Sardinia) that came to the Eastern
Mediterranean and overthrew cities and even kingdoms.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;They even tried to overthrow Egypt, but narrowly
failed.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The Philistines were one of
these groups, also known as the Peleset.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;When they failed to settle in Egypt, they chose instead the southern
coast of what is today Israel.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;One of the key historical events that took place near the
close of the Mycenaean Age, and which may have contributed to the Sea Peoples
invasions, was the Trojan War (13th-12th cent. BC). &lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;It wasn’t only Odysseus that went wandering around
after the close of the war (as recounted in the Odyssey).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Others, too, scattered around the
Mediterranean, as recounted in the Nostoi legends.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Some of these wanderers settled in the
Eastern Mediterranean.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;These are most
likely to be identified with the Philistines and other similar groups that
settled along the Eastern Mediterranean coast at this time.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;It’s true that when we read the Iliad and the Odyssey, which
tell of the Trojan War and its aftermath, the classical Greek gods are an important part of the
story.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; And we do know through the decipherment of Mycenean inscriptions that several of these same gods were in fact known and worshiped in Mycenean times. But we know very little about these earlier beliefs.&amp;nbsp; H&lt;/span&gt;omer, who wrote the Iliad and the Odyssey in the 8th
cent. BC, was writing hundreds of years after the events portrayed, long
after the collapse of Mycenaean civilization.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;The Greek historian Herodotus (5th cent. BC) says that Homer was one of
the first to name the Greek gods and describe their characters.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This means that the gods as they appear in his
account tell us
more about the beliefs of the groups that came together to form Classical Greek
civilization and less about the beliefs of the Philistines at the time of their migration.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;Whatever those beliefs may have been, the Philistines seem to have abandoned them rather quickly.&amp;nbsp; In the same way that the core Greek group of Philistines
intermarried with local Canaanites, they also adopted the local religious beliefs.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;One of these was the worship of the god
Dagon, which is documented in the area back to as much as a thousand years
before the arrival of the Philistines.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It
seems to have been a common belief in ancient times that different gods ruled
over different regions, and that people should adapt to whatever region they happened
to live in.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;A good example of this in
the Bible is the Samaritans, who began to worship the God of Israel because
they had come into his territory (2 Kings 17:25-28).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;The Philistines seem to have done much the same thing when they arrived in the Middle East.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;(For more on this topic, see our &lt;a href=&quot;https://totheends.com/sem4.html&quot;&gt;Great Discoveries of the Bible Seminar&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEimXMCyU7khC1eMN30AB-lJvuK3c5j-R1jN03fHJ0-HeXrC0_TSCux0rLX3_nylMYmCs712gytBwwxUgxuL6tmjkdleIhyphenhyphen3dZkES3FtdFt-ULTCL-8XdE9PZsox22Fw9ICREVKqm9jsRHU/s1600/Church_of_the_Pater_Noster_Mount_of_Olives%252C_Jerusalem.jpg&quot; imageanchor=&quot;1&quot; style=&quot;margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;&quot;&gt;&lt;img border=&quot;0&quot; data-original-height=&quot;309&quot; data-original-width=&quot;550&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEimXMCyU7khC1eMN30AB-lJvuK3c5j-R1jN03fHJ0-HeXrC0_TSCux0rLX3_nylMYmCs712gytBwwxUgxuL6tmjkdleIhyphenhyphen3dZkES3FtdFt-ULTCL-8XdE9PZsox22Fw9ICREVKqm9jsRHU/s1600/Church_of_the_Pater_Noster_Mount_of_Olives%252C_Jerusalem.jpg&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;tr-caption&quot; style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;&gt;The Unfinished Reconstruction of the Eleona Church (foreground) &lt;br /&gt;
in front&amp;nbsp;of the Pater Noster Church (facade at back partially hidden by a palm tree);&lt;br /&gt;
the cave is under the platform in the foreground&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;symbol&amp;quot;; text-indent: -0.25in;&quot;&gt;·&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot;; font-size: 7pt; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-indent: -0.25in;&quot;&gt;The Traditional Location of Jesus’ Endtimes
Teaching on the Mt. of Olives&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;text-indent: -0.25in;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;(the “Olivet Discourse,” Matt. 24-25, Mark 13,
Luke 21)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;MsoPlainText&quot; style=&quot;margin-left: .5in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; text-indent: -.25in;&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;mso-bookmark: Pater;&quot;&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;symbol&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-list: Ignore;&quot;&gt;·&lt;span style=&quot;font: 7.0pt &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;Site of the Byzantine Eleona Church (the “Olive
Grove” Church, also known&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;mso-bookmark: Pater;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;as the Church of the Disciples)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;mso-bookmark: Pater;&quot;&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;symbol&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-list: Ignore;&quot;&gt;·&lt;span style=&quot;font: 7.0pt &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;Site of a Crusader-era chapel associated with
Jesus’ teaching of the Lord’s Prayer&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;mso-bookmark: Pater;&quot;&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;symbol&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-list: Ignore;&quot;&gt;·&lt;span style=&quot;font: 7.0pt &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;Currently the location of the Pater Noster
Church commemorating Jesus’ teaching&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;mso-bookmark: Pater;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;of the Lord’s Prayer as well as the partly
rebuilt Eleona Church.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;mso-bookmark: Pater;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;Biblical events
remembered here:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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(1) Jesus’ Endtimes Teaching (the “Olivet Discourse,” Matt.
24-25), &lt;/div&gt;
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(2) Jesus’ Teaching of the Lord’s Prayer&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;a name=&#39;more&#39;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;Location: &lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;On top of the Mt. of Olives, east of Jerusalem,
beside the old road from Jerusalem to Bethany.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;Authenticity:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;The church is in the right general area
for Jesus’ endtimes teaching, which took place on the Mt. of Olives directly
opposite the Jewish Temple.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;However, the
cave on the property, said to be the exact location of this teaching, contains
a first-century AD tomb (a kochim-style tomb of a type popular in the time of
Jesus).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The presence of this tomb makes
it highly unlikely that Jesus and his disciples would have come here, or that
the early Jewish Christians would have revered the site (see our teaching on
&lt;a href=&quot;https://totheends.com/clean.html&quot;&gt;Clean and Unclean&lt;/a&gt;), though it is possible that the tomb was introduced at a later time.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Nor does the Bible
say anything about a cave.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;However, the
actual location of Jesus’ teaching could not have been very far away.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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The association with Jesus’ teaching of the Lord’s Prayer has no Biblical basis, given the fact that the gospels say this took place in
Galilee (Matt. 4:23-5:1,9-13).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This tradition
emerged for the first time in the Middle Ages.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;tr-caption&quot; style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;&gt;View down on the top of the Mt. of Olives.&amp;nbsp; The Bethany-Jerusalem road goes from bottom right &lt;br /&gt;
to upper left in the photo.&amp;nbsp; (Google satellite view)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Jesus’ Endtimes
Teaching:&amp;nbsp; &lt;/b&gt;Matthew says that Jesus
and his disciples left the Temple and were sitting on the Mt. of Olives (Matt.
24:1,3).&amp;nbsp; Mark adds that they were sitting
&lt;i&gt;“opposite the Temple,”&lt;/i&gt; that is,
directly across the Kidron Valley from the Temple, which certainly matches this
spot (Mark 13:3).&amp;nbsp; It’s hard to imagine
for such a dramatic teaching that they didn’t go to the top of the hill with
its magnificent view over Jerusalem.&amp;nbsp; They
certainly wouldn’t have sat at the bottom of the hill, which today is a
cemetery just as it was in Jesus’ day.&amp;nbsp; Touching
any of the tombs there would have made them ritually unclean, and would prevent
entry into the Temple that day.&amp;nbsp; Instead,
they would have crossed the Kidron on the bridge (or “causeway”) that extended
part-way up the Mt. of Olives to avoid contact with the cemetery.&amp;nbsp; This, too, points to a location higher up the
hill.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Jesus’ endtimes teaching here was in response to a
question by his disciples: &lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;&quot;And as he was sitting on the Mount of
Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, ‘Tell us, when will these
things be and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the
age?&quot; &lt;/i&gt;(Matt. 24:3).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;First Jesus
warned them of the things that would &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;not&lt;/i&gt;
be signs of his coming:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;false Messiahs,
wars and rumors of wars, famines and earthquakes: these things, he said, are
not yet the end (Matt. 24:4-7).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;They are
only the “&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;beginning of birth pangs,”&lt;/i&gt; the
beginning of the difficult period that would precede his return (Matt. 24:8).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This difficult time was known to the Jewish
people as the approaching footsteps, or literally the “heels,” of the Messiah (&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;iqvot haMeshiach; &lt;/i&gt;Psa. 89:51).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;During these birth pangs, Jesus said, his
followers would be persecuted, and hated, even killed (Matt. 24:9).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Some would fall away, others would betray one
another and hate one another, and there would be much false teaching (Matt.
24:10-11).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Most people&#39;s love would grow
cold (Matt. 24:12).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But even so, the
gospel will be preached throughout the whole world before the end comes (Matt.
24:14).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And the one who endures to the
end will be saved (Matt. 24:13).&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;MsoPlainText&quot;&gt;
Then he warned of the horrible tragedy that was about to
come on Jerusalem: its destruction by the Roman armies, which would usher in a
long period of tribulation (Matt. 24:15-28, Luke 21:20-24).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But then, finally, would come the signs of
his return:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;the sun and moon will be
darkened, stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of heaven will be shaken
(Matt. 24:29).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Then the sign of the Son
of Man will appear in the sky (Matt. 24:30), and the Jewish people will mourn as
they see him coming in power and glory (Matt. 24:30 as in Zech. 12:10).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Then he will send his angels out with the
sound of a great trumpet to gather in those who believe in him from all over
the world (Matt. 24:31,40-41).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is
the catching up of believers mentioned by the apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:17,
when the dead in Messiah will also be raised.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Then will follow the destruction of the wicked (Matt. 24:39), and the descent
of the believers with Messiah to earth to reign with him in his Messianic
kingdom (Matt. 25:34).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;MsoPlainText&quot;&gt;
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As Zechariah put it:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;&quot;For I will gather all the
nations against Jerusalem to battle.... Then the LORD will go forth and fight
against those nations, as when he fights on a day of battle.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And in that day his feet will stand on the
Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of
Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley....
Then the LORD, my God, will come, and all the holy ones with him!&quot; &lt;/i&gt;(Zech.
14:2-5).&lt;/div&gt;
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And what happens after that?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The wedding feast of the Lamb (Matt. 25:10)!&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Many imagine that the wedding feast will be somewhere
in heaven.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But Isaiah says:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“On
this mountain,”&lt;/i&gt; speaking of Mt. Zion (Isa. 24:23), &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“the Lord will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples... And on this
mountain he will swallow up the covering that is over all the peoples... he
will swallow up death for all time”&lt;/i&gt; (Isa. 25:6-8). &lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Isaiah 4:5 adds that at that time there will
be over Jerusalem &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“a cloud by day, and
smoke, and the brightness of a flaming fire by night; for over all the glory
will be a canopy (a chuppah).”&lt;/i&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;What
canopy is this?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;A bridal canopy (a &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;chuppah&lt;/i&gt;), like those used in Jewish
weddings.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Why a bridal canopy?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;For the wedding feast of the Lamb!&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Jesus said that &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“many will come from east and west, and recline at the table [to eat] with
Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob” &lt;/i&gt;(Matt. 8:11).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;What a day of rejoicing that will be!&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Then Jesus gave them many warnings in parables of the
need to keep alert and not to stumble in the long time of waiting until his
return (Matt. 24:40-25:46).&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;The Cave:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The cave under the later Byzantine-period
church is not mentioned in the Bible.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But
a cave on the Mt. of Olives was associated from an early date with the endtimes
teaching of Jesus.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It’s first mentioned
in the apocryphal Acts of John (2nd-3rd cent. AD)&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;The Byzantine
Eleona Church&lt;/b&gt;: After the legalization of Christianity, the Emperor
Constantine and his mother Helena built three large basilica-style churches in
the Holy Land (4th cent. AD).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;They were
all associated with the new Nicene Creed:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;1) the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem (&quot;born of the Virgin
Mary&quot;), 2) the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem (&quot;was crucified, died, and
was buried; on the third day he rose again from the dead&quot;), and 3) the
Eleona Church on the Mt. of Olives (&quot;and ascended into heaven”).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Eusebius the Church historian says directly that
Helena built the Eleona Church “in memory of [Jesus’] ascent to heaven.” But
the location chosen for the church was above a cave which he says was
remembered as the “very cave [in which] the Savior imparted his secret
revelations to his disciples” (&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;Life of
Constantine&lt;/i&gt; 3.43).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This seems to be
why Helena named the church the Church of the Disciples.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But it soon came to be known as the Eleona
(the “Olive Grove”) Church, completed by 333 AD.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;tr-caption&quot; style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Diagram of the Byzantine-period Eleona Church based on the excavations in the early 20th century.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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The actual site of Jesus’ ascension, however, was thought to be on “an
open hillock nearby” (the pilgrimage diary of Egeria, mid 4th cent.), where
another church was built by 378, &lt;a href=&quot;https://totheendsblog.blogspot.com/2020/05/the-chapel-of-ascension-jerusalem.html&quot;&gt;currently the site of the Chapel of the Ascension&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;
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The Eleona Church had a terrace in front of its main entrance
on the west side with a beautiful view over the city of Jerusalem.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Steps led up to the church from the Kidron Valley
below.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This marble stairway is
reminiscent of the bridge (or “causeway”) that went across the Kidron Valley and
part way up the Mt. of Olives in the time of Jesus.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The Eleona was destroyed by the Persians in
614.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;The Middle Ages: &lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;In the Middle Ages, a chapel built here was
associated with the teaching of the Lord&#39;s Prayer (1106).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This was made into a church in 1152. There was
also another chapel where the apostles were said to have formulated the
Apostle’s Creed, though the creed dates in its earliest form to the 3rd&amp;nbsp;or 4th&amp;nbsp;century.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;These
medieval structures were heavily damaged in the Muslim reconquest of the city in
1187 and abandoned by 1345.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;The Modern Church
and Cloister: &lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;In 1868, the site was
purchased by Princesse Aurelia Bossi de la Tour d’Auvergne, whose tomb can still be
seen on the site.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;She built a church
dedicated to the Lord’s Prayer and a convent for French Carmelite nuns that
continues today.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Archeological work in
1910 discovered the ruins of the Byzantine-period church and the cave over
which it was built.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But an attempt to
rebuild the Eleona Church failed for lack of funds (1915-1927), which accounts for the incomplete state of the structure seen today.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The modern church and cloister continue the
Crusader commemoration of the Lord’s Prayer, today shown in more than 60
languages.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;tr-caption&quot; style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Three of the dozens of plaques of the Lord&#39;s Prayer in different languages &lt;br /&gt;
These are in Latin, Arabic, and Armenian.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;Inside the Cave:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;From the Byzantine church above there were originally
two entrances to the cave below.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; The&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;raised
platform above the cave was located at the eastern end of the sanctuary (see the diagram above).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The cave was originally larger than it
appears today; it partly collapsed in 1910.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Photo of the &lt;a href=&quot;https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Church_of_the_Pater_Noster_Mount_of_Olives,_Jerusalem_43.jpg&quot;&gt;Partly
Reconstructed Eleona Church in front of the Pater Noster Church&lt;/a&gt; courtesy of
&lt;a href=&quot;https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hoshvilim&quot;&gt;Hoshvilim &lt;/a&gt;under
a &lt;a href=&quot;https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.en&quot;&gt;CC BY-SA 4.0
license&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Photo of &lt;a href=&quot;https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jerusalem_Pater_Noster_-_Carmelite_sisters_-_Mount_of_Olives_(6035885377).jpg&quot;&gt;Lord’s
Prayer plaques at Pater Noster Church&lt;/a&gt; courtesy of &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.flickr.com/photos/brionv/6035885377/&quot;&gt;Pater Noster –
Carmelite sisters – Mount of Olives&lt;/a&gt; under a &lt;a href=&quot;https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/deed.en&quot;&gt;CC BY-SA 2.0
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;tr-caption&quot; style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;&gt;The Chapel of the Ascension and Surrounding Courtyard&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Traditional Site of Jesus’ Ascension into Heaven&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;Site of the Byzantine Imbomon Church (Church “On the Hill”)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;Current location of the Crusader-period Chapel of
the Ascension&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;Biblical events
remembered here:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
(1) The ascension
of Jesus into heaven forty days after his crucifixion and resurrection;&lt;br /&gt;
(2) The return of Jesus with his people at his second coming.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;Possible
historical site of:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
(1) The Jewish
fire signal used to announce the sighting of the new moon,&lt;br /&gt;
(2) The burning of the
red heifer to produce the ashes used for cleansing from the impurity of contact
with the dead,&lt;br /&gt;
(3) The burning of the sin offerings offered up on the Day of
Atonement (Yom Kippur).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;a name=&#39;more&#39;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;Location:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;On top of the Mt. of Olives, east of
Jerusalem.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;Authenticity:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The chapel is in the right general location for
Jesus’ ascension, though the actual site is probably a bit further east on the
old road to Bethany.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This road runs from
west to east just a few steps south of the entrance.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;So at the very least, Jesus and the disciples
passed right by this spot shortly before Jesus&#39; ascension.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;tr-caption&quot; style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;&gt;View down on the top of the Mt. of Olives.&amp;nbsp; The Bethany-Jerusalem road goes from bottom right to upper left in the photo.&amp;nbsp; (Google satellite view)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;The Ascension of
Jesus:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;Jesus’ ascension is reported
in three places in the New Testament (Mark 16:19, Luke 24:50-51, Acts 1:6-12)
and mentioned in many more (John 3:13, 6:62, 20:17; Acts 2:32-36; Eph. 4:8-10;
Rev. 12:5).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The most detailed account is
in the book of Acts:&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;&quot;Then, having come
together, they were questioning him, saying, ‘Lord, at this time are you restoring
the kingdom to Israel?&#39; &lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;But he said to
them, ‘It is not for you to know times or dates that the Father has set by his
own authority, but rather you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on
you; and you will be my witnesses both in Jerusalem and in all Judea and
Samaria, and to the end of the earth.&#39;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;And after he said these things, he was lifted up while they were
watching, and a cloud took him up out of their sight.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And while they were gazing into the sky as he
was going, look, two men had come up beside them in white clothing, who also said,
‘Men of Galilee, why are you standing looking into the sky?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This Jesus, who has been taken up from you
into heaven, will come in just the same way that you saw him go into
heaven.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Then they returned to Jerusalem
from the mountain called ‘Of the Olive Grove’ (Elaionos; the Greek name for the
Mt. of Olives)....&quot; (Acts 1:6-12)&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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This clearly identifies the site of Jesus’ ascension as being
on the Mt. of Olives.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The gospel of Luke
further specifies that it was a spot near Bethany (&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“He led them out [of Jerusalem] until [they were] near Bethany,”&lt;/i&gt; Luke
24:50).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Since the main route to Bethany
from Jerusalem ran right over the Mt. of Olives, these two descriptions match up
perfectly.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Bethany (known today as al-Azariya
in memory of Lazarus whom Jesus raised there from the dead) is on the east side of the Mt. of Olives.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It’s
just a little less than a mile away from the Chapel of the Ascension. The old
road from Jerusalem to Bethany, today a narrow paved road, passes by just south
of the Chapel.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is the same road
that Jesus had taken a few weeks earlier on Palm Sunday, riding a donkey in the
other direction, toward Jerusalem.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;His
ascension could have been anywhere between here and the edge of Bethany. &lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;The Scapegoat on
the Day of Atonement:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The road from
Jerusalem to Bethany goes out in the same direction, and was likely the same
road, that the scapegoat was led along on the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) as
it was taken out into the desert.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This
was one part of a unique sacrifice offered on that day of two identical goats,
one offered up on the altar in the Temple, the other taken out and released in
the desert (Lev. 16:5-10, 15-28).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;This second goat had all the sins of Israel laid
on it by the high priest, which it then took away from the city:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;removing those sins from the people.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In the same way, Jesus took the sins of
mankind out this same road and removed them from us as he ascended into heaven (Psa.
103:10-12).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;The Sin Offerings
on the Day of Atonement:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The first
goat of the special sacrifice of two goats on the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur)
was offered up in the Temple (Lev. 16:15-19) together with a bull (Lev.
16:11-14).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;These two animals were then
taken &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“outside the camp”&lt;/i&gt; to be burned
with fire (Lev. 16:27).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Some believe
that the site of this burning (the &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“place
of ashes”&lt;/i&gt; of Lev. 4:12) was where the Chapel of the Ascension is now
located.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This burning of the bodies of
the sacrifices on Yom Kippur is referred to in Heb. 13:11-12 as a type of the Messiah, who also suffered outside the city: (&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“For of those animals whose blood is brought [as an offering] for sin
in the holy places [of the Temple] by the high priest, their bodies are burned
up outside the camp. &lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Because of this,
Jesus, too, that he might sanctify the people through his own blood, suffered
outside the gate [of the city.]”&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;The Burning of the
Red Heifer:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;A more certain
identification of this site is as the place of the burning of the red heifer.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is the heifer whose ashes were used to
purify from contact with the dead (Num. 19:1-10).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The reason for this greater certainty is that
the rabbis specifically mention that this took place on the Mt. of Olives (which
they call the Mount of Anointing) at a point directly east of the doors of the
inner Sanctuary (Num. 19:4, Midd. 1:3, 2:4; Par. 3:6-7,11).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This matches the site of the Chapel
of the Ascension.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The site was accessed
by a bridge (or “causeway”) built across the Kidron Valley and part way up the
slope of the Mt. of Olives.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This was to
prevent contact with the graves of the dead.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Jesus and his disciples would have taken this same bridge on
their way out of the city on the day of his ascension.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This red
heifer is also a type of the Messiah (&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“For
if...the ashes of a heifer sprinkling the unclean makes them holy with regard
to the cleanness of the flesh, how much more will the blood of
Messiah...cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?”&lt;/i&gt;
Heb. 9:13-14; also Heb. 10:22).&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;Fire Signals
Announcing the New Moon:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Since this
is the highest spot on this section of the Mt. of Olives, it was also likely
the site of the Jewish fire signal sent up every month to announce the new moon
(R. Sha. 2:4).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This was at a time when
the new moon had to be sighted visually (the first sliver of the waxing moon), and
confirmed by the Sanhedrin Council in the Temple.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This signal was then relayed from mountain to
mountain until much of the Jewish world in the eastern Mediterranean got the
message.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This had been discontinued, though, by the
time of Jesus because of enemy signals intended to confuse the Jewish people.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In its place, the Great Sanhedrin sent out emissaries
(apostles) to personally take out the message, much as Jesus sent out his
apostles with the good news of salvation, a mission that Jesus spoke to them
about that day just before his ascension (the Great Commission, Acts 1:7-8).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;The Return of Jesus:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;The coming return of Jesus to the exact
spot from which he ascended was not only foretold by the angels who were there
that day (Acts 1:10-11, see above).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It
was also prophesied by the prophet Zechariah long before:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“And his feet will
stand on that day on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the
east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west, a
very large valley... And the LORD my God will come, all the holy ones will be
with you [Jerusalem]” (Zechariah 14:4-5).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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The holy ones with Jesus at his return will be all those
who have loved him and believed in him from all the ages.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Many talk about the rapture or catching away
of the believers when Jesus returns, but that’s only the beginning.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;After that, they will come back down with
Jesus to rule and reign on the earth.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This
will be the beginning of the Messianic Age, when the lion will lie down with
the lamb, and there will be no more war (Isa. 11:6-9).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The earth will be renewed, or as Jesus put
it, it will be a &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;palingenesia,&lt;/i&gt; a new
Genesis, a new start for the world (Matt. 19:28).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Many parts of the Church have neglected or even rejected
this teaching of the Messianic age to come.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;But Jesus and the disciples firmly believed and taught it, when wrongs
will be righted and the earth will be renewed.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;The apostle Paul said that all of creation groans in anticipation of
this revelation of the children of God (Rom. 8:22).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;The Byzantine
Period Church:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;The first church associated with the Ascension of Jesus was the &lt;a href=&quot;https://totheendsblog.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-pater-noster-church-jerusalem.html&quot;&gt;nearby Eleona Church&lt;/a&gt; built by the Emperor Constantine and his mother Helena in 333 AD.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; The ruins of this church can still be seen beside &lt;a href=&quot;https://totheendsblog.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-pater-noster-church-jerusalem.html&quot;&gt;the Pater Noster Church&lt;/a&gt;, just a few meters away&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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But the actual site of Jesus’ ascension was thought to be on “an open hillock nearby” (the pilgrimage
diary of Egeria, mid 4th&amp;nbsp;cent.).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; This small rise on top of the Mt. of Olives is where the Chapel of the Ascension is currently located.&amp;nbsp; At the time, this&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;was an open area, and the annual celebration of Jesus&#39; ascension took place
outdoors.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; But s&lt;/span&gt;oon afterwards, a church was
built on this higher location by a wealthy Roman lady, a member of the
imperial family (Poimenia, in 378).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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This newer church was known as the Inbomon Church, which
means “on a height.”&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;It was an
octagonal church with a circular colonnade that held up a dome.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Octagonal churches were used to mark the spot
where a Biblical event had taken place.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;On
top of the church was a cross that could be seen from a long distance away. This
church was destroyed by the Persians (in 614).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;But it was soon rebuilt as a circular structure, in which the inner
enclosure, a little larger than the current enclosure, was open to the sky.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This meant that you could stand in the church
and look up into the sky, much as the disciples had done when Jesus ascended.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;The Current
Chapel:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;The much smaller octagonal
chapel we see here today (the “edicule”) was built by the Crusaders.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;At that time, the arches in the sides of the chapel were open
and the roof was open to the sky.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This
was then converted into a mosque by the Muslim sultan Salah ad-Din (Saladin) and given to a
couple of his followers (in 1198).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It is
still in Muslim possession today.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Islam
also believes that Jesus ascended into heaven:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;the Koran says that &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;&quot;God
raised him up to himself&quot;&lt;/i&gt; (Sura 4.158).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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The Muslim owners permit Christian services here once a
year on the Feast of the Ascension.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If
you look carefully, you can see hooks in the walls of the courtyard that are
used to secure awnings used by the different Christian communities celebrating the
feast.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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The tiny burial crypt next to the chapel is revered by
all three local religions: Jews believe it contains the 7th-century BC
prophetess Huldah (2 Kings 22:14); Christians believe it to be the tomb of the
5th-century saint Pelagia, a repentant harlot from Antioch who became a hermit
on the Mt. of Olives; while Muslims maintain that the 8th-century ascetic and Sufi
mystic, Rabi&#39;a al-Adawiyya, known for her devotion to the unconditional love of
God, is buried there. The Christian tradition of Saint Pelagia is the oldest of
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;tr-caption&quot; style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Interior of the Chapel of the Ascension with the &quot;footprint&quot; of Jesus in the marble box.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;Inside the Chapel:
&lt;/b&gt;The footprints of Jesus on a stone here were first mentioned at the time of
the construction of the Imbomon church.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;One
of these was later removed to the el-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, where it is
associated with Mohammed’s nighttime journey to heaven (the Mi’raj).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The remaining &quot;footprint&quot; can still
be seen (in the marble square by the candles in the photo above).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;One
of the most important contributions of the early Jewish-Christian community to
our understanding of Jesus is the connection they made between Jesus and the
Angel (or Messenger) of the Lord.*&amp;nbsp; This
mysterious being appears in several places in the Hebrew Bible.&amp;nbsp; He has the appearance of a man, yet speaks
and acts like God.&amp;nbsp; This identification
was an important early step in the development of the idea of the Trinity:&amp;nbsp; that the Angel of the Lord, the pre-incarnate
Word of God, is God himself, yet is distinct from the Father.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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The Bible’s words for “angel” (&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;malach&lt;/i&gt;
in Hebrew and &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;angelos&lt;/i&gt; in Greek) mean
simply messenger.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Whether this refers to
a human messenger, a spirit-being messenger (an angel), or God himself acting
as a messenger must be determined from the context.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;One
of the most well-known appearances of this Messenger of the Lord is as one of
the three men who appeared to Abraham at Mamre (Gen. 18:13,17,20).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In the passage, one of these visitors is identified
  as the LORD God himself: “and the LORD said to Abraham” (Gen. 18:13).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Later, this same LORD rained fire and
brimstone on Sodom “from the LORD out of heaven” (Gen. 19:24).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is a clear reference to two distinct
entities—the Father in heaven and the Son on earth—that share the divine name
(LORD, &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;YHWH&lt;/i&gt; in Hebrew) and are
together one God.*&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Evidence for this understanding among the early Jewish-Christians can be seen
in their controversies with the rabbis in which they used passages like these to
argue for the divinity of Jesus (Sanh. 38b). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;Here’s
a list of the other appearances of the Messenger of the Lord where he is
specifically referred to as God or the LORD: &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoPlainText&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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The &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;“messenger of the LORD”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt; that
spoke as God to Hagar (Gen. 16:7,9-11):&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;“And she called the name of the LORD who was
speaking to her, ‘You are the God who sees...’”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt; (Gen. 16:13).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;MsoPlainText&quot;&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoPlainText&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt;&quot;&gt;2)
One of the &lt;i&gt;“three men,”&lt;/i&gt; two of whom
are later identified as &lt;i&gt;“messengers”&lt;/i&gt;
(Gen. 19:1), that appeared to Abraham (mentioned above):&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“And
the LORD appeared to him”&lt;/i&gt; (Gen. 18:1), &lt;i&gt;“And
the LORD said to Abraham”&lt;/i&gt; (Gen. 18:13), &lt;i&gt;“while
Abraham was still standing before the LORD” &lt;/i&gt;(Gen. 18:22).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoPlainText&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt;&quot;&gt;3)
The &lt;i&gt;“messenger of the LORD”&lt;/i&gt; that
spoke as God to Abraham at his offering of Isaac (Gen. 22:11,15): &lt;i&gt;“You have not withheld your son, your only
son, from me”&lt;/i&gt; (Gen. 22:12).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoPlainText&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt;&quot;&gt;4)
The &lt;i&gt;“messenger of God”&lt;/i&gt; that
identified himself as &lt;i&gt;“God”&lt;/i&gt; to Jacob
at Bethel (Gen. 31:11):&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“I am the God of Bethel”&lt;/i&gt; (Gen. 31:13).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoPlainText&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt;&quot;&gt;5)
The &lt;i&gt;“man”&lt;/i&gt; identified as &lt;i&gt;“God”&lt;/i&gt; that wrestled with Jacob at Peniel
(Gen. 32:24):&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“I have seen God face to face”&lt;/i&gt; (Gen. 32:30).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoPlainText&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt;&quot;&gt;6)
The &lt;i&gt;“messenger”&lt;/i&gt; identified with God
in Jacob’s three-fold blessing over Joseph’s sons (Gen. 48:16):&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“The
God before whom my fathers...walked, the God who has been my shepherd..., the
messenger who has redeemed me from all evil”&lt;/i&gt; (Gen. 48:15-16).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoPlainText&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt;&quot;&gt;7)
The &lt;i&gt;“messenger of the LORD”&lt;/i&gt; identified
as &lt;i&gt;“God”&lt;/i&gt; that spoke to Moses from the
burning bush (Exo. 3:2):&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“God called to him from the middle of the
bush”&lt;/i&gt; (Exo. 3:4).&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoPlainText&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt;&quot;&gt;8)
The &lt;i&gt;“messenger”&lt;/i&gt; with God’s name in
him that went before the children of Israel in the desert (Exo. 23:20):&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“My
name is in him”&lt;/i&gt; (Exo. 23:21).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoPlainText&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt;&quot;&gt;9)
The appearance of &lt;i&gt;“the God of Israel”&lt;/i&gt;
before Moses and the seventy elders on Mt. Sinai, traditionally identified as
an angelic messenger:&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“And they saw the God of Israel”&lt;/i&gt; (Exo.
24:10).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoPlainText&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt;&quot;&gt;10)
The &lt;i&gt;“LORD”&lt;/i&gt; (#1) who descended and
stood by Moses as the &lt;i&gt;“LORD”&lt;/i&gt; (#2) passed
by in front of him (Exo. 34:5-6):&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“And the LORD descended in the cloud and
stationed himself with him there.... Then the LORD passed by over his face...”&lt;/i&gt;
(Exo. 34:5).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoPlainText&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt;&quot;&gt;11)
The &lt;i&gt;“captain of the Lord’s army,”&lt;/i&gt;
identified as &lt;i&gt;“the LORD,”&lt;/i&gt; that spoke
to Joshua (Joshua 5:14-15):&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“And the LORD said to Joshua”&lt;/i&gt; (Josh.
6:2).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoPlainText&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt;&quot;&gt;12)
The &lt;i&gt;“messenger of the LORD”&lt;/i&gt; that spoke
as God at Bochim (Judges 2:1,4):&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“I brought you up out of Egypt”&lt;/i&gt; (Judges
2:1).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoPlainText&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt;&quot;&gt;13)
The &lt;i&gt;“messenger of the LORD”&lt;/i&gt; identified
as &lt;i&gt;“the LORD”&lt;/i&gt; that spoke to Gideon
(Judges 6:11): &amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;“And the LORD turned toward him”&lt;/i&gt; (Judges 6:14).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoPlainText&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt;&quot;&gt;14)
The &lt;i&gt;“messenger of the LORD,”&lt;/i&gt;
identified as &lt;i&gt;“a man of God”&lt;/i&gt; with &lt;i&gt;“the appearance of a messenger of God,”&lt;/i&gt; who
appeared to the parents of Samson (Judges 13:3,6,8):&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“We
have seen God”&lt;/i&gt; (Judges 13:22).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoPlainText&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt;&quot;&gt;15)
The &lt;i&gt;“messenger of great counsel”&lt;/i&gt; in
the old Greek (Septuagint or LXX) version of Isa. 9:6, who in the Hebrew is
called &lt;i&gt;“mighty God, eternal Father.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoPlainText&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt;&quot;&gt;16)
The &lt;i&gt;“messenger of his [God’s] presence”&lt;/i&gt;
in Isa. 63:9, referring to Exo. 23:20-21 (see #8 above).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoPlainText&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt;&quot;&gt;17)
The &lt;i&gt;“likeness with the appearance of a
man” &lt;/i&gt;that glowed like metal in Ezekiel’s vision of the storm cloud, who is identified
as &lt;i&gt;“the appearance of the likeness of the
glory of the LORD”&lt;/i&gt; and who speaks as God (Eze. 1:26-28):&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“I am
sending you to the sons of Israel...who have rebelled against me....and you
will say to them, ‘This is what the Lord GOD says’”&lt;/i&gt; (Eze. 2:3-4).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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The &lt;i&gt;“messenger of the LORD”&lt;/i&gt; who
speaks as God before Joshua the high priest (Zech. 3:1, 3, 5-6):&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;“And
the LORD said to Satan”&lt;/i&gt; (Zech. 3:2), &lt;i&gt;“I
am going to bring in my servant”&lt;/i&gt; (Zech. 3:8).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 11pt;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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under the influence of Greek philosophy, the idea of Jesus as the angelic
messenger of the Lord was misused.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Some
began to teach that Jesus was “just” an angel, that is, that he was a type of created
spiritual being, and was therefore not God.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;This view became very popular in the Arian heresy of the 4th&amp;nbsp;century, and lives on today in the Jehovah’s Witnesses. In response, the Church
cooled to the idea of Jesus as the Angel (Messenger) of the Lord, and the
teaching was actually denied by Augustine of Hippo (5th&amp;nbsp;century).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But it remains an important Biblical teaching
when understood in the original sense that Jesus, the messenger of God, is in
fact God revealed to us, yet at the same time is distinct from the Father
God.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Jewish Roots of Christianity book. I’ve appreciated learning so much history
that I never knew, but it makes me sad to think that people who have called
themselves by the name of Christ have acted so horrendously… It helps me to
understand a little better the anti-Semitism that we saw (and were SHOCKED by)
in Ukraine.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;I’m meditating on the thought that you bring forth in the book that Messianic
Jews still need to follow the law… What do you do then with Paul’s remarks in
Galatians 2:11-14, where Paul calls Peter on the carpet for reverting back to
following the laws when the circumcision party shows up in Antioch? Paul
certainly talks here, and in other places, like he is not following the dietary
laws at least…&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a name=&#39;more&#39;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;I am trying to wrap my brain around both ideas (them required to follow the
law, or not follow the law) and am having a hard time going with one or the
other… Does the 2&lt;sup&gt;nd&lt;/sup&gt; covenant annul the 1&lt;sup&gt;st&lt;/sup&gt; one…? If they
have to do some of the laws, then why wouldn’t they have to follow ALL of the
laws, but like I said, Paul seems to make the case for not having to follow the
law…&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;I would like to know your thoughts on Galatians at least… --Sarah P.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #20124d; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;A:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;This was also a very difficult
concept for me when I first arrived in Israel and was challenged by some of the
beliefs and practices of the Messianic Jews there.&amp;nbsp; But Christianity’s thinking, beliefs, and
even Bible translations have been influenced by the thousand plus years of
anti-Semitism that you have read about in the book.&amp;nbsp; It takes some doing to get beyond this, but
that’s what finally happened to me as I studied the relevant passages in the original
languages from the point of view of the culture of the time.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;It’s important to remember that when Peter had his vision of the sheet
descending in Joppa (before the events in Antioch, but also quite some time
after Jesus’ resurrection), he said, “ I have never eaten anything unholy and
unclean” (Acts 10:14).&amp;nbsp; Never in his
life.&amp;nbsp; This clearly tells us that he had
never stopped obeying the Law, and specifically the dietary laws, either during
his time with Jesus or in the time since Jesus’ ascension.&amp;nbsp; So whatever happened in Antioch did not
involve him suddenly returning to the Law after having abandoned it
previously.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
We also need to consider Paul’s visit to Jerusalem, which led to his
imprisonment.&amp;nbsp; This is after the events
at Antioch.&amp;nbsp; He had come up specifically
to celebrate one of the Jewish feasts in Jerusalem (Pentecost):&amp;nbsp; a requirement of the Law of Moses (Acts
20:16).&amp;nbsp; When he arrived, he was
introduced to the “tens of thousands...among the Jews of those who have
believed [in Jesus], and they are all zealots for the Law” (Acts 21:20).&amp;nbsp; This attachment to the Law is not
condemned.&amp;nbsp; It is mentioned as a way to
warn Paul about the false report that had gone out about him, “that you are
teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles [i.e. outside of Israel] to
forsake Moses [i.e. the Law], telling them not to circumcise their children nor
to walk according to the customs” (Acts. 21:21).&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what was the advice to Paul of the brothers [believers in Jesus]
there?&amp;nbsp; “We have four men who are under a
vow [Messianic believers under a Nazirite vow, also a part of the Law, Num. 6,
which Paul had also observed as a believer in Jesus, Acts 18:18], take them and
purify yourself along with them [this is Jewish ritual purification, also
according to the Law], and pay their expenses in order that they may shave
their heads [as part of the Nazirite rite:&amp;nbsp;
paying the expenses of Nazirites was considered a meritorious deed in
Judaism], and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have
been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law”
(Acts 21:23-24).&amp;nbsp; In other words, they
told him to do these things in obedience to the Law so that everyone could see
that the stories about him teaching against the Law were completely false.&amp;nbsp; Did Paul follow this advice?&amp;nbsp; Yes he did, the very next day (Acts 21:26).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This same false charge of disobeying the Law had earlier been leveled
against Stephen, if you remember, in Acts 6:&amp;nbsp;
“And they put forward false witnesses who said, ‘This man does not stop
saying things against the Holy Place [the Temple] and the Law; for we have
heard him say that this Nazarene, Jesus, will destroy this place and will alter
the customs which Moses handed down to us” (Acts 6:13-14).&amp;nbsp; Notice that it was the &lt;i&gt;false&lt;/i&gt; witnesses who said that Stephen and Jesus before him were
opposed to the Law of Moses.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And of course there can be no better witness than Jesus himself who clearly
said, “Do not suppose that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets, I did not
come to abolish, but to fill [or fulfill] them” (Matt. 5:17).&amp;nbsp; To make his meaning as clear as possible, he
added that not even the smallest stroke of the Law will pass away until it is
all accomplished (Matt. 5:18), and that anyone who annuls even one of the least
of these commandments of the Law will be the least in the kingdom of heaven;
but whoever keeps and teaches them will be great in the kingdom of heaven
(Matt. 5:19).&amp;nbsp; Since the Law includes
many prophecies about the endtimes that have not yet been fulfilled, clearly
from Jesus’ point of view, the Law of Moses is still in place.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the big mistake that many Gentile believers make when they read and
finally understand passages like these is to assume that the Law must then
apply to all believers in Jesus.&amp;nbsp; This is
a false assumption and was the whole reason for the council in Acts 15, where
it was decided that Gentiles could become believers in Jesus without coming
under the Law of Moses as Jews.&amp;nbsp; This
distinction of callings is what Paul is talking about in 1 Cor. 7:&amp;nbsp; that if you are called as a believer in Jesus
as a Gentile (uncircumcised), you should remain a Gentile (uncircumcised).&amp;nbsp; If you are called as a Jew (circumcised and
in obedience to the Law of Moses, which is what circumcision symbolized), you
should remain a Jew (1 Cor. 7:18-19).&amp;nbsp;
“Each in the calling in which he was called, let him remain in this
calling” (1 Cor. 7:20).&amp;nbsp; For Jewish
believers, this means following the whole Law of Moses, as the Messianic
believers in Israel do.&amp;nbsp; For Gentile
believers, this means following the Law of Messiah (the New Testament), which
the Jewish believers must also follow.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what is going on in Gal. 2:11-14?&amp;nbsp;
For most of us, it’s difficult to tell the difference between the Law of
Moses, which Jesus strongly upheld, and the Oral Law of the Pharisees, which
Jesus had some deep and serious problems with.&amp;nbsp;
Remember when he told his disciples to “beware...of the teaching of the
Pharisees and Sadducees” (Matt. 16:12)?&amp;nbsp;
Or when he argued in favor of his disciples eating the grain in the
field on a Sabbath (Matt. 12:1-8)?&amp;nbsp; There
is no place in the Law of Moses where it says that you cannot pick heads of
grain for a snack on the Sabbath.&amp;nbsp; So why
did the Pharisees say that the disciples were doing something unlawful (Matt.
12:2)?&amp;nbsp; Because it was against the Oral
Law of the Pharisees.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The same thing is going on in Gal. 2.&amp;nbsp;
If you notice carefully, it was not &lt;i&gt;what&lt;/i&gt;
they were eating that was the problem.&amp;nbsp;
It was that they were eating together with the Gentiles (Gal. 2:12), in
other words, sitting side by side with them.&amp;nbsp;
This was not against the Law of Moses.&amp;nbsp;
This was only against the Oral Law of the Pharisees.&amp;nbsp; And this is why Paul got upset.&amp;nbsp; For God had revealed to him that Jewish and
Gentile believers in Jesus are together the one body of Messiah, even though we
still have individual and distinct callings (Eph. 2:11-22).&amp;nbsp; To eat separately would break this
fellowship, and that he could not stand for.&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what happened at Antioch in its origins had nothing to do with obedience
to the Law of Moses.&amp;nbsp; It had only to do
with the Pharisees’ oral additions to the Law, which Jesus often did not
support.&amp;nbsp; Nevertheless, it raised the
whole issue of the role of Gentiles in the body of Messiah which was then
resolved at the council in Acts 15.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 12pt;&quot;&gt;I hope this is helpful to you.&amp;nbsp; If not, I would recommend reading back
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now that you’ve heard the larger story.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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response to our teaching, “&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.totheends.com/water.html&quot;&gt;The Washing of Water with the Word&lt;/a&gt;”:]&amp;nbsp; I&#39;m going to get into trouble here, but here
goes anyway....please notice that the verse you mention says that the &lt;b&gt;Messiah&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;b&gt;does&lt;/b&gt; the cleansing by the washing of water with the word.&amp;nbsp; &lt;b&gt;We&lt;/b&gt;
don&#39;t do it.&amp;nbsp; Therefore it is a gift, just like our name from our
parents.&amp;nbsp; So there is no need for someone to wait until they are
&quot;ready&quot; for baptism.&amp;nbsp; It is a gift that we cannot by our own
power or will do anything to be &quot;ready&quot; to receive.&amp;nbsp; Moral of my
story is --get your kids baptized and don&#39;t wait another day.&amp;nbsp; –Stephanie
K.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #20124d; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;A:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;Thanks for your enthusiasm in defending
infant baptism--a long-held and widely practiced tradition of the Church.&amp;nbsp;
But this tradition ignores a key component of the original idea of baptism:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;that receiving the word of God—being &lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“cleansed...by his word”&lt;/i&gt; (Eph. 5:26)—requires
being able to understand that word.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Traditional churches themselves
admit to the inadequacy of infant baptism by their practice of confirmation, a
rite&amp;nbsp;mentioned nowhere in the Bible.&amp;nbsp; Having teenagers&amp;nbsp;confirm
or accept their baptisms is a recognition that infant
baptism&amp;nbsp;is&amp;nbsp;incomplete without the conscious and believing
participation of the one being baptized.&amp;nbsp; And that&#39;s exactly the
point.&amp;nbsp; Baptism is the outward, public&amp;nbsp;response to an inner faith:&amp;nbsp;
the sign of a conscious repentance of sin and a decision to follow Jesus.&amp;nbsp;
This decision brings an inner cleansing (Acts 15:9), while baptism completes
the process with an outer washing:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“the
outward sign of an inward grace,” as Augustine of Hippo put it.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;There
is just no other way to make sense of the Biblical description of this rite as
a &quot;baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins,&quot; unless there
is an actual repentance on the part of the person being baptized (&lt;st1:personname w:st=&quot;on&quot;&gt;Mark&lt;/st1:personname&gt; 1:4, Luke 3:3, Acts 13:24,&amp;nbsp;19:4).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This requires a conscious appeal to God (1
Pet. &lt;st1:time hour=&quot;15&quot; minute=&quot;21&quot; w:st=&quot;on&quot;&gt;3:21&lt;/st1:time&gt;) by faith (Col.
2:12).&amp;nbsp; Infants are completely incapable of doing these things.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;a name=&#39;more&#39;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;Ancient Judaism and the earliest Church, like those who practice
believers&#39; baptism today,&amp;nbsp;took a different approach to infants, in a
ceremony known as dedication.&amp;nbsp; This&amp;nbsp;is what&amp;nbsp;Jesus himself
experienced as&amp;nbsp;an infant:&amp;nbsp; he was taken to the Temple, not to be
baptized, but to be dedicated to the Lord (Luke 2:21-24).&amp;nbsp; To be dedicated
simply means to be set aside for the purposes of the Lord (sometimes translated
&quot;to be made holy&quot; or &quot;sanctified&quot;).&amp;nbsp; This is the
language&amp;nbsp;Paul uses&amp;nbsp;when discussing the children of a believer married
to&amp;nbsp;a non-believer (1 Cor. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;st1:time hour=&quot;19&quot; minute=&quot;14&quot; w:st=&quot;on&quot;&gt;7:14&lt;/st1:time&gt;).&amp;nbsp;
He does not say that the children have been baptized and are therefore saved,
but rather that they have been sanctified, in other words, set aside for the
Lord (dedicated), exactly the same language he uses about the unbelieving
spouse in that same verse.&amp;nbsp; The children of believers are dedicated, that
is, set aside for God&amp;nbsp;by the believing parents until they come to maturity
and are able to make their own decision about following&amp;nbsp;Jesus.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;Look, for example, at how Jesus himself treated children.&amp;nbsp; The
Bible never says he baptized them.&amp;nbsp; Rather, he blessed them while laying
hands on them (Matt. &lt;st1:time hour=&quot;19&quot; minute=&quot;13&quot; w:st=&quot;on&quot;&gt;19:13&lt;/st1:time&gt;,
&lt;st1:personname w:st=&quot;on&quot;&gt;Mark&lt;/st1:personname&gt; &lt;st1:time hour=&quot;10&quot; minute=&quot;16&quot; w:st=&quot;on&quot;&gt;10:16&lt;/st1:time&gt;, Luke &lt;st1:time hour=&quot;18&quot; minute=&quot;16&quot; w:st=&quot;on&quot;&gt;18:16&lt;/st1:time&gt;).&amp;nbsp;
This refers to the Jewish and Biblical custom of blessing someone in the name
of God, a kind of prayer that God would do something good in their lives:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“May God bless you...”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;But the “cleansing” of God’s Word required for baptism requires a
conscious acceptance and understanding of that Word.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;As the apostle&amp;nbsp;Paul puts it:&amp;nbsp;
&quot;How will they believe in him whom they have not heard?&amp;nbsp; And how will
they hear without a preacher?&quot; (Rom. &lt;st1:time hour=&quot;10&quot; minute=&quot;14&quot; w:st=&quot;on&quot;&gt;10:14&lt;/st1:time&gt;).&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;These are not things an infant would
understand.&amp;nbsp; As Paul also says in that same place:&amp;nbsp; &quot;For whoever
will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.&amp;nbsp; How then will they call
on him in whom they have not believed?&quot; (Eph. 10:13,14).&amp;nbsp; Appealing to
God on the basis of conscious belief is essential to salvation.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;You are right that the cleansing by Messiah in preparation for
baptism&amp;nbsp;is a gift.&amp;nbsp; But it is a gift that must be consciously
received, whether it be through teenage confirmation or believer&#39;s baptism
or&amp;nbsp;in some other way.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;But before that conscious participation
is possible, the Bible instructs us to dedicate our children to the Lord (Luke
2:22, 1 Cor. 7:14).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is, in fact, all
that traditional infant baptism can offer&amp;nbsp;until&amp;nbsp;it’s confirmed by a
conscious decision later in life.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;“A psalm of David.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The Lord is
my shepherd, I lack nothing”&lt;/i&gt; (Psa. 23:1).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;The original historical context
of Psalm 23 is the ancient Kingdom of Israel, in which sheep were a major part
of the economy.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;We’re talking about huge
flocks of sheep running into the thousands in some cases.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;King David, probably the most famous king of
Israel, worked as a shepherd when he was a boy, just as many other boys did at
the time.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This Psalm, which is
associated with his name, likely reflects his own experience as a shepherd as he
reflects on God as the shepherd of his own life.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;The sheep-grazing areas
in Israel are mostly dry, rocky, semi-desert areas, where the sheep are often taken
far away from the agricultural land near town, especially in the spring and
summer.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is an area of steep and
dangerous cliffs and canyons.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Even a
sure-footed sheep or goat is in real danger of falling to its death. In fact, I’ve
seen a couple of them nearly fall myself out in this area. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;a name=&#39;more&#39;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;This is nothing like the
situation in America or Australia, where sheep are kept in huge, fenced
pastures.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is instead dry and rocky
ground where there is just a little grass here and there for the sheep to eat.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This means the sheep have to be moved constantly
from one spot to another throughout the day.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;And the little grass they find to eat is often dry and brown, dried out
by the desert sun.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;The sheep also need to
be watered at least once a day.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is
difficult since there are so few water sources in most parts of this
region.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This means that the shepherd
needs to walk the sheep to and from the water source each day.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But he must choose a different route each
time, so the grass will not be overgrazed and the pasture destroyed.&lt;span style=&quot;color: black; font-size: 10.0pt;&quot;&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: black; font-size: 10.0pt;&quot;&gt;“&lt;/span&gt;In pastures of fresh grass, he makes me lie down, beside the
waters of places of rest he leads me”&lt;/i&gt; (Psalm 23:2). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;The idea of finding a
pasture filled with lots of fresh, green grass and a bubbling stream beside it is
almost a vision of heaven out in this area (Psa. 23:2).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is also the implication of the shepherd
making or causing the sheep to lie down.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;It implies that there is so much to eat, the sheep are full and can stop
eating, something that rarely happens in the desert.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“My soul he restores; he leads me in the paths of righteousness for the
sake of his name”&lt;/i&gt; (Psalm 23:3).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;The paths (or literally “trails”)
taken by the sheep can be seen all over these parts of Israel still today (Psa.
23:3).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;There are thousands of them
everywhere, and of no help in directing the sheep, unless they have the
guidance of a shepherd.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In the same way,
the Psalmist says, God leads us in the right way, the way of “righteousness.”&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“Even if I walk in the valley of the shadow of death, I will not fear
evil, for you are with me.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Your rod and
your staff, they comfort me”&lt;/i&gt; (Psa. 23:4).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;The “valley of the
shadow of death” is an allusion to the dangerous and steep cliffs and canyons
in the desert (Psa. 23:4).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But even here,
the sheep can relax, because the shepherd is always carefully watching.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In the same way, God is always with us
through the difficult times in our lives.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;The rod and staff of the
shepherd are used to direct the sheep in the way they should go (Psa. 23:4).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The rod is used to thwack the sheep hard
enough to get its attention, which is not always an easy thing to do.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The staff, which functions as a shepherd’s
crook, pushes or pulls the sheep in the right direction.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Why are these irritating forms of correction
a comfort?&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Because the sheep know that
ultimately the shepherd is helping them.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;It’s the same when God helps us:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;ultimately, it’s for our good.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“You prepare before me a table in front of my enemies; you have
anointed my head with oil, my cup overflows”&lt;/i&gt; (Psa. 23:5).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;A “table in front of my
enemies” means that God provides the needs of his people even when they are
facing enemies (Psa. 23:5).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is an
allusion to the wolves and other predators that threaten the sheep.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Even though they are lurking nearby, the
sheep can keep on eating peacefully.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Why? &lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Because the shepherd is
there to protect them.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;That God has “anointed
my head with oil” refers to the anointing of sheep with oil mixed with things like
sulfur and tar to repel biting insects (Psa. 23:5).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;People also applied oil to their skin to
protect it from the ravages of the dry, desert air (Psa. 104:15).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But the more direct allusion here is to the
anointing of kings and prophets with oil as a sign of their selection by God,
just as was done with King David himself, when he was anointed king of Israel
(1 Sam. 16:13).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Christians see here an
allusion to Messiah Jesus, and to our anointing by the Holy Spirit in him (Acts
10:38, 2 Cor. 1:21).&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(“Messiah” means “anointed
one.”)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;“Surely goodness and kindness will pursue me all the days of my life, and
I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever”&lt;/i&gt; (Psa. 23:6).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;The blessing of this kind
of life with God is reflected in the phrases, “my cup overflows,” in other
words, I have more than enough, and “goodness and kindness will pursue me all
the days of my life” (Psa. 23:6). This is the opposite of pursuing the good
life, rather a good life will pursue me.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;The focus of religious
worship in David’s day was the Tabernacle that had been built in the time of
Moses.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This was soon replaced in the
time of Solomon, his son, with the Temple in Jerusalem.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But in either case, this structure was
regarded as the “house” of the Lord, where the presence of the Lord was
believed to dwell.&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;By saying that he
wants to “dwell in the house of the LORD forever,” the psalmist is saying that
he wants to live in God’s direct presence forever (Psa. 23:6).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;Q&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;:&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;I have just finished studying your book &#39;&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1979828393/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;tag=totheendsoftheea&amp;amp;camp=1789&amp;amp;creative=9325&amp;amp;linkCode=as2&amp;amp;creativeASIN=1979828393&amp;amp;linkId=c35f71fa4303f9272a61a590f8b0f20e&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;The Jewish Roots of Christianity&lt;/a&gt;&#39;, which I found very readable, and being a Bible student of some
40+ years I found some of the content (surprisingly) most enlightening--things
I have wondered about for a long time regarding Paul&#39;s writing.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;As I was reading your book I did wonder if you have ever
come across and read the books of Eric Chang, &#39;The One True God&#39; and &#39;The Only
Perfect Man.&#39; &amp;nbsp;If you haven&#39;t I think you will find them extremely interesting,
they are freely available as downloadable pdf&#39;s at this link:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;As a serious student of the truth I would very much appreciate
your views of the content covered in this material, considering your extensive
and knowledgeable background and area of expertise. &amp;nbsp;If you have a little time
to examine it, you may find it interesting yourself. (They are also available
on Amazon books if you prefer physical books, as I do. &amp;nbsp;I have nothing to do with
their church by the way).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;I hope you have time to respond, looking forward to hearing
from you.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;With kind regards &amp;nbsp;--Phil&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: white; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #20124d; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;background-color: white;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: blue;&quot;&gt;:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Thanks for the positive feedback about our Jewish Roots of
Christianity book.&amp;nbsp; I’ve glanced briefly
through Eric Chang’s&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;The Only True God&lt;/i&gt; at your request.&amp;nbsp; It’s nice to see him struggling honestly with the
challenges of Christian monotheism in a way that the original sources
invite.&amp;nbsp; However, to strengthen his
credibility, he needs to wrestle more with early Christian sources&amp;nbsp;from&amp;nbsp;the pre-Augustinian era.&amp;nbsp; The views of Trinitarians have not always
been monolithic, and many of these early voices have important insights to add
to the conversation.&amp;nbsp; To put it another
way:&amp;nbsp; not everyone who claims to be a
Trinitarian agrees about what that means.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;a name=&#39;more&#39;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;I completely agree with his criticism of the Trinitarian
views that turn Jesus into a second God, and suppress the Father behind the
glory of his ascendant Son.&amp;nbsp; This is not
what Jesus himself had in mind at all.&amp;nbsp;
There is only one God, and whatever was going on in Jesus was a
manifestation of that one true God.&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;But the issue for me comes down to the center of
consciousness of Jesus.&amp;nbsp; Was he just a
“perfect man” who had some kind of special awareness of God’s power and
presence in his life?&amp;nbsp; Or does he speak
as God, fully conscious of his divinity?&amp;nbsp;
Is he a human in-filled by God, or is he God wrapped in humanity?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;When I read the gospels, and read them with attention to
their Jewish cultural setting, I see Jesus constantly declaring that he is
self-consciously God:&amp;nbsp; not a man filled
with God, but God who had taken flesh upon himself, God become man.&amp;nbsp; But this then raises the question as to how
that can be, for it is impossible to imagine that all there is to God was
somehow limited and restrained within the physical, human form of Jesus (as
Chang also recognizes).&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;The solution provided by the Bible is that the Word of God,
that is, some fully divine subset of the totality of God, sent out by God, is
what became flesh in Jesus.&amp;nbsp; This sent
Word of God, being divine, was able to appear to the patriarchs, speak to the prophets, and speak back to God himself, as Jesus did in prayer.&amp;nbsp; This certainly gives him the appearance of an
independent personhood, as the traditional creeds and formulas rightly
recognize.&amp;nbsp; Yet God in his divinity is
beyond all the earthly limits of personhood that we experience as humans and
has the ability to manifest himself in as many persons as he likes without at
all lessening the unity of his identity as the one true God.&amp;nbsp; I like to compare this to the neurons in our
hearts and stomachs communicating with the neurons in our brains.&amp;nbsp; This communication takes places between
different physical locations—messages are sent back and forth—but they are all
still part of a single individual.&amp;nbsp; In
the case of God the communication between Father, Son, and Spirit does not in
any way lessen their identity together as the one and only one true God.&amp;nbsp; The Trinity, that is to say, rightly
understood is a revelation of the inner workings within the one true God
himself, and reveals him to be an actual being with meaningful inner complexity
rather than a mere intellectual concept.&amp;nbsp;
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&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 115%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;Chang refers often to the rabbinical concept of
the Memra, but he does not seem to have wrestled with its meaning among
the rabbis, as has Itzhak Shapira in his book &lt;i&gt;The Kosher Pig&lt;/i&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Even the
rabbis recognized the individuality or individual identity of what Christians
often call the pre-incarnate appearances of the Son of God, and that this was
more complex than simply saying that Yahweh himself was appearing on earth (as
Chang does).&amp;nbsp; There was a distinct
identity being revealed here, that the rabbis recognized and tried to explain
in various ways, while at the same time defending themselves from Christian
claims about Jesus.&amp;nbsp; There is, in fact, a
genuine distinction to be made between God and his Word, the Father and the
Son.&amp;nbsp; But this is not a distinction
between separate beings:&amp;nbsp; rather it is a
revelation of the inner workings of the one and only true and living God.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;line-height: 115%;&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;(For more on this topic, see our teaching &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.totheends.com/didjesus.html&quot;&gt;Did Jesus Claim to be God? &lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;and the index category &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.totheends.com/questionsi.htm#Trinity&quot;&gt;Trinity&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #20124d; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;Q:&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp; [In response to our &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.totheends.com/questions4.htm#Dutillet&quot;&gt;Q&amp;amp;A on the Du Tillet
manuscript&lt;/a&gt;:]&amp;nbsp; ...I believe, based on the
statements of various &quot;early church fathers,&quot; that the Gospel of
Matthew WAS written in Aramaic. I do not agree with those who try to
&quot;prove&quot; that the other Gospels or even the entire New Testament were
written in Hebrew or Aramaic!!!!!!!!!! If you would&amp;nbsp;like I can e-mail you
a website that I know about that shows&amp;nbsp;many of the textual variants of the
New Testament. Yet the issue of who the manuscripts of the New Testament come
from bothers me.&amp;nbsp;What do you think of the fact that it is said that Jerome
got manuscripts for his gospel of Matthew from Jewish believers in
Yeshua?...--Jeremy J.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #20124d; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;A:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; You are right that there is quite a bit
of evidence among the early church fathers for a non-Greek original to the
gospel of&amp;nbsp;Matthew.&amp;nbsp; This evidence comes from places as diverse as &lt;st1:country-region w:st=&quot;on&quot;&gt;&lt;st1:place w:st=&quot;on&quot;&gt;India&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; (in the
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itself.&amp;nbsp; In all of these reports, this original Matthew is reported as
being in Hebrew.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;There is no similar historical evidence for a Hebrew original of any other book in the New Testament.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
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That Matthew was originally written in Hebrew is sometimes contested by scholars who cling to the outdated notion that Jesus taught
in&amp;nbsp;Aramaic.&amp;nbsp; But the evidence for Hebrew literacy in Israel in the Second Temple period is clear, both from archeology and textual sources. Today there is no legitimate reason to deny that
these church fathers knew what they were talking about when they said&amp;nbsp;that
Matthew wrote&amp;nbsp;in Hebrew.&amp;nbsp;
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&lt;a name=&#39;more&#39;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;I also agree with you that there are difficulties
with&amp;nbsp;attempts to reconstruct Hebrew or Aramaic originals behind other New
Testament books.&amp;nbsp; Even if this might have possibly been true in certain cases (and this is
by no means certain), any reconstruction lacking an original manuscript is just
a guess, whereas the Greek we have is certain.&amp;nbsp; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;The issue of textual variants is minor compared to
this.&amp;nbsp; Most textual variants can be resolved as simple copying errors.&amp;nbsp; None affects
any major doctrine, and only a tiny minority affect the meaning of any sentence
in the Bible in any significant way.&amp;nbsp; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;The claim that Jerome obtained a copy of the Hebrew
version of Matthew from Jewish believers in Jesus (Nazarenes) is one that he
makes himself&amp;nbsp;(in his &quot;Concerning Illustrious Men&quot; section on
Matthew).&amp;nbsp; He claims not only to have seen it, but to have&amp;nbsp;made a
copy of it.&amp;nbsp; Unfortunately that is now lost to us, aside from a few comments
he made about its contents.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;On the other hand, Jerome&#39;s Latin translation
of&amp;nbsp;Matthew&#39;s gospel, or rather his &quot;correction&quot; of the Latin as
he puts it,&amp;nbsp;was made from the Greek (as he says in his preface to the
Gospels), which it closely matches.&amp;nbsp; Why he didn&#39;t make more direct use of
the Hebrew is not explained.&amp;nbsp; However, I can&#39;t imagine that he was not
influenced in some way by the Hebrew original&amp;nbsp;he had copied.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;Jerome, by the way,&amp;nbsp;also had access to some
scrolls from the &lt;st1:place w:st=&quot;on&quot;&gt;Dead Sea&lt;/st1:place&gt; area--the first
reported &lt;st1:place w:st=&quot;on&quot;&gt;Dead Sea&lt;/st1:place&gt; scrolls--that he used in his
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #20124d; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;Q:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;Very good comment on Isa 56 about Jesus as Salvation [see our&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.totheends.com/questions3.htm#Isaiah&quot;&gt;Q&amp;amp;A on Isaiah 56&lt;/a&gt;]. But what about the context:&amp;nbsp;&lt;st1:country-region w:st=&quot;on&quot;&gt;&lt;st1:place w:st=&quot;on&quot;&gt;Israel&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&amp;nbsp;has to offer also Sabbath-keeping as a sign of the new covenant that is brought about by the Messiah (verse 8 &quot;to HIM&quot; will be gathered all). Do you agree that the Sabbath is also the sign of the new covenant for non-Jews, for all Christians? –Jens S.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #20124d; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;A:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;Thank you for bringing up the issue of Sabbath with regard to Isa. 56.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;As you correctly point out, this is a key element in the chapter.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;I&#39;m not sure exactly what you mean by Sabbath-keeping being a “sign of the new covenant” for Israel, since Sabbath-keeping is usually considered a sign of the old covenant as it specifically says in Exo. 31:13; Eze. 20:12.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;But if you simply mean that it continues as part of the practice of Jewish believers in Jesus, this is certainly true.&amp;nbsp;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;With regard to Isa. 56:8 (&quot;The Lord GOD, who gathers the banished ones of Israel, declares, &#39;Yet others I will gather to him, to those already gathered.&#39;&quot;), the phrase &quot;yet others will I gather to him&quot; is a reference back to Israel in the same verse, and as a result, is often translated for clarity “to them.”&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;This is how Jesus understood it when he alluded to this verse in John 10:16, speaking of the &quot;other sheep&quot; that were to be added to the Jewish people who had already believed in him.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;The plural “sabbaths” in vs. 4 instructs Jewish eunuchs not only to observe the weekly Sabbaths, but also to observe all the other festival sabbaths of Israel as well.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;In other words, Jewish eunuchs are instructed to observe the Law of Moses completely.&amp;nbsp;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #20124d; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;Q:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt; I heard that early
Christianity was a mystery religion in &lt;st1:city w:st=&quot;on&quot;&gt;Rome&lt;/st1:city&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Is this true and does anyone know any of the
characteristics of mystery religions? (I know that they were a secret but has
anything come out about them?)&amp;nbsp; Was it a
popular one, like were there many Romans who joined it?&amp;nbsp; Also did mystery religions have supernatural
events that happened, as I read that in some mystery religions, people would
enter the spirit world or supernatural realm.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyway, I hope that made sense, and thanks for any help.&lt;/div&gt;
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A:&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The main focus of the most important
rituals of the ancient mystery religions, as far as we know, &amp;nbsp;was the revelation of some secret act or
ritual object with deep symbolic meaning for those trained in the belief system
of the religion.&amp;nbsp; This took place toward
the end of a lengthy and elaborate ritual.&amp;nbsp;
This revelation was often intended to produce a specific spiritual or
emotional effect on the initiates that were experiencing it for the first
time.&amp;nbsp; They were then sworn to keep this ritual
a secret, and in most cases they did, as we are still ignorant of most of the
core mysteries today.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a name=&#39;more&#39;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;When scholars speak of Christianity as a mystery religion, this refers primarily
to the striking similarity between the Eucharist or Communion as it developed
in the Roman world and what we know of the mystery religions. In fact, the
closest thing today to the celebration of the ancient mysteries, or even to the
liturgies of the pagan Roman state religion, is a traditional Roman Catholic or
Eastern Orthodox mass with its processions and candles and incense. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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All of this was quite different than the earliest Christian worship services,
which took place in an initially Jewish setting. What later became the Eucharist
or Communion began as a simple set of blessings said at a communal evening meal,
together with the sharing of bread and a cup in memory of Jesus&#39; death and
resurrection. &lt;br /&gt;
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Among the Gentile Christians in Rome and elsewhere, though, this was soon
changed. The blessings along with the bread and cup were removed from an actual
meal and placed in a morning worship service that had more in common with pagan
Roman rites than with the Jewish original. As in the mystery religions, the cup
and bread became special ritual objects that were revealed at the end of a long
ritual, but only to those properly initiated. Later&amp;nbsp; it came to be believed that something
mysterious and magical happened at the exact moment when the priest said certain
words over these elements: that the wine and bread actually became, physically,
the body and blood of Christ.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;Needless to say, this was not the original idea, even in Rome, but the result
of a development over centuries.&amp;nbsp; This
development took into account local ideas about religion, including that of the
mystery religions. The original Jewish commemoration was more an act of
corporate memory, as in the Passover meal with which it was first associated.&amp;nbsp; It was intended to bring past events into
living memory. But in the context of Roman society, this communal family-style
meal was transformed into more of a magical ritual performed by a priest, of
which the congregation were merely spectators. This was the result, in part, of
the influence of the mystery religions.&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;It was against these later developments that the Protestant Reformation was launched in the 16th century, in the attempt to return Christianity to a more Biblical form of worship.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;times&amp;quot; , &amp;quot;times new roman&amp;quot; , serif;&quot;&gt;As far as its popularity goes, Christianity started quite
small, but quickly gained adherents. &amp;nbsp;By
AD 64, when Nero persecuted the Christians living in the city of Rome, they had
become an “immense multitude” (Tacitus, &lt;i&gt;Annals&lt;/i&gt;
15.44.5).&amp;nbsp; This was only 34 years after
Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection.&amp;nbsp; By
AD 112, in Asia Minor (modern Turkey), the number of Christians had become so
many in some places that the pagan temples were in danger of becoming deserted
(Pliny, &lt;i&gt;Epp.&lt;/i&gt; 10.96.10).&amp;nbsp; By the time of Constantine, at the beginning
of the 4&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; cent. AD, though Christians were still a minority of the
population, they soon became a majority after Christianity was made a legal
religion in the Roman Empire.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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