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		<title>Comment on Startup: Starting small – the nanobrewery concept. by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 18:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this discussion! I've been contemplating going the nano route and have the bones of a business plan and an expenses worksheet. My plan is to brew in some unused space in my father's business's warehouse and renovate that area into a small store. I would brew 1/2bbl at a time on a Blichmann brew sculpture, ideally brewing one day a month (2 batches on that day) and selling directly to customers from the brewery using growlers. I figure I can probably sell 60 growlers a month, but probably not more so I would cap retail sales there. I'd like to sell to distributors for local bars, but that would be year 2 at the earliest (by brewing twice a month and selling 2 half-bbl at the brewery and 2 half-bbl to the distributor). Custom printed growlers will actually make me money by selling them for $5 each and I would charge $10 for a fill. So far I'm looking at about $10,000 start up costs including licenses, equipment, and all that. If I sold all 744 half gallons of beer the first year I'd break even. This is still just an idea for me but I set up a website at www.hibbletonbrewing.com and if anyone would like to discuss this (I love talking about it) hit me up at Michael [at] hibbletonbrewing.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this discussion! I&#8217;ve been contemplating going the nano route and have the bones of a business plan and an expenses worksheet. My plan is to brew in some unused space in my father&#8217;s business&#8217;s warehouse and renovate that area into a small store. I would brew 1/2bbl at a time on a Blichmann brew sculpture, ideally brewing one day a month (2 batches on that day) and selling directly to customers from the brewery using growlers. I figure I can probably sell 60 growlers a month, but probably not more so I would cap retail sales there. I&#8217;d like to sell to distributors for local bars, but that would be year 2 at the earliest (by brewing twice a month and selling 2 half-bbl at the brewery and 2 half-bbl to the distributor). Custom printed growlers will actually make me money by selling them for $5 each and I would charge $10 for a fill. So far I&#8217;m looking at about $10,000 start up costs including licenses, equipment, and all that. If I sold all 744 half gallons of beer the first year I&#8217;d break even. This is still just an idea for me but I set up a website at <a href="http://www.hibbletonbrewing.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.hibbletonbrewing.com</a> and if anyone would like to discuss this (I love talking about it) hit me up at Michael [at] hibbletonbrewing.com</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crappy industrial lager by any other name still tastes like ass. by detlefchef</title>
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		<dc:creator>detlefchef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, in fairness, we're a bit "higher end" than most Asian or Mexican places.  

Also, I think Pacifico has it's place, you know, lawnmower beer.  When you really need water but would prefer a beer.  Working years in the kitchen, one always holds a place in one's heart for a beer like this.  There's not an IPA made that tastes as good as a cheap lager when it's your first beer after the shift.  So it has sentimental value for me.  Well, that and we sell the hell out of it.  I've certainly learned the hard way that not everyone is looking to have their mind blown and sometimes it's just easier to take someone's money and give them what they want than try to educate them.

Saigon, that's another story.  I have to admit that I'm annoyed by the fact that I've been bullied into selling it.  Frankly, I basically tried all the Asian crap that people brought me until I found one I didn't loathe.  Unfortunate, really, considering that every other beverage on our list is held to a much higher standard.  I mean, neither our craft beer or wine lists are long enough to include all the beers or wines I like, yet I waste a space on a beer I can merely tolerate (well, two actually because I have to have a light beer as well and carry HPL).  

Oh well, those who know go to the good stuff and those who don't...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, in fairness, we&#8217;re a bit &#8220;higher end&#8221; than most Asian or Mexican places.  </p>
<p>Also, I think Pacifico has it&#8217;s place, you know, lawnmower beer.  When you really need water but would prefer a beer.  Working years in the kitchen, one always holds a place in one&#8217;s heart for a beer like this.  There&#8217;s not an IPA made that tastes as good as a cheap lager when it&#8217;s your first beer after the shift.  So it has sentimental value for me.  Well, that and we sell the hell out of it.  I&#8217;ve certainly learned the hard way that not everyone is looking to have their mind blown and sometimes it&#8217;s just easier to take someone&#8217;s money and give them what they want than try to educate them.</p>
<p>Saigon, that&#8217;s another story.  I have to admit that I&#8217;m annoyed by the fact that I&#8217;ve been bullied into selling it.  Frankly, I basically tried all the Asian crap that people brought me until I found one I didn&#8217;t loathe.  Unfortunate, really, considering that every other beverage on our list is held to a much higher standard.  I mean, neither our craft beer or wine lists are long enough to include all the beers or wines I like, yet I waste a space on a beer I can merely tolerate (well, two actually because I have to have a light beer as well and carry HPL).  </p>
<p>Oh well, those who know go to the good stuff and those who don&#8217;t&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crappy industrial lager by any other name still tastes like ass. by Ilya Feynberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ilya Feynberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 05:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Detlefchef

Thanks for that post! It's nice to see a response and a side from an actual restaurant owner...or another one I should say. 

I can't say I like Pacifico or Saigon, but I have to have respect for that the fact that you just won't serve crap beer if you really believe it's crap despite everything else. 

Hats off to you!

ilya</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Detlefchef</p>
<p>Thanks for that post! It&#8217;s nice to see a response and a side from an actual restaurant owner&#8230;or another one I should say. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say I like Pacifico or Saigon, but I have to have respect for that the fact that you just won&#8217;t serve crap beer if you really believe it&#8217;s crap despite everything else. </p>
<p>Hats off to you!</p>
<p>ilya</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crappy industrial lager by any other name still tastes like ass. by detlefchef</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever since we opened Jujube, we didn't serve Asian beers for all the reasons given above.  Long before I got as into craft beers as I am now, I did know one thing, Tsing Tao sucks ass as a beer.  Chinese Pilsners aren't all that bad when you're in China.  Mostly because it's hot and they're cold.  Well, that and that's all we had to drink.  But out here, I had a ton of  great craft beers to choose from.  

Finally, after 5 years of people basically heckling me about how silly it was to have an Asian restaurant with no Asian beers, I found one that wasn't half bad.  Saigon.  Mind you, I'll drink pretty much anything else on the list instead.  On the beer list, where I write something about each beer, I basically said, "There you go, here's your Asian beer."  It sells OK, mostly it saves me the hassle of going through the song and dance.

I'm proud that my Mexican place Dos Perros has about as interesting a craft beer selection as you'll find around and doesn't sell Corona.  We do sell Pacifico, Bohemia, Carta Blanca, and Negro Modelo, but I actually like those beers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever since we opened Jujube, we didn&#8217;t serve Asian beers for all the reasons given above.  Long before I got as into craft beers as I am now, I did know one thing, Tsing Tao sucks ass as a beer.  Chinese Pilsners aren&#8217;t all that bad when you&#8217;re in China.  Mostly because it&#8217;s hot and they&#8217;re cold.  Well, that and that&#8217;s all we had to drink.  But out here, I had a ton of  great craft beers to choose from.  </p>
<p>Finally, after 5 years of people basically heckling me about how silly it was to have an Asian restaurant with no Asian beers, I found one that wasn&#8217;t half bad.  Saigon.  Mind you, I&#8217;ll drink pretty much anything else on the list instead.  On the beer list, where I write something about each beer, I basically said, &#8220;There you go, here&#8217;s your Asian beer.&#8221;  It sells OK, mostly it saves me the hassle of going through the song and dance.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m proud that my Mexican place Dos Perros has about as interesting a craft beer selection as you&#8217;ll find around and doesn&#8217;t sell Corona.  We do sell Pacifico, Bohemia, Carta Blanca, and Negro Modelo, but I actually like those beers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Homebrew: Making Bread with Spent Grain by platypotamus</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 21:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>many thanks for sharing the recipe, man. made some damn fine tasty bread with the spent grains from my porter last weekend. &lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/75742922@N00/4872419993/" rel="nofollow"&gt;photo&lt;/a&gt;

cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>many thanks for sharing the recipe, man. made some damn fine tasty bread with the spent grains from my porter last weekend. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/75742922@N00/4872419993/" rel="nofollow">photo</a></p>
<p>cheers.</p>
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