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		<title>Comment on Beauty or blasphemy by George</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2008/05/14/beauty-or-blasphemy/#comment-74595</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 06:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>As luck would have it, I just took a Sex and Gender class, am currently in Women Studies, and will TA the Sex and Gender class in the spring. I've gone over this subject for a class and you can see everyone's thoughts on the subject of Art v Pornography here: http://byupsych.wordpress.com/discussion-topics/pornography/

Here's what I contributed:
To an extent I would say that ‘Porn is in the eye of the beholder’. Pres. Kimball once said that a boy and a girl can kiss and while the girl may be white as snow, the boy may be sinning (very liberally paraphrasing). I think you know (and the Lord knows) what is in your mind and heart. My friend is an art major and sees the human body as truly the pinnacle of God’s creation and as something that is divinely beautiful! When nude art is properly done she thinks it’s a grand celebration of said beauty. I think this is true and if we all thought as purely as they did in the Garden nudity would not be a problem at all.

However, the opposing vice is that people will always be tempted to see the nude art in lewd and shady ways. A nude painting may be viewed by half the patrons as a wonderful testament to the creation and gift of life, while the other half see it in a more degrading manner. So the question is: Should freedom of speech prevail and let the sinners take responsibility for their own thoughts? Should we run the risk of exposing children to ‘adult material’ and take it all down instead?

I personally can see both arguments -I actually enjoy art a lot and seeing breasts in a setting like the MOMA just doesn’t do it for me- but in the end my opinion is: given the problem it causes, I think the body can be celebrated clothed/draped (even if it’s scant) just as easily as fully naked. I think it’s a shame that Satan would ruin something so sacred for us, but that’s what he’s here to do.

One more note: Remember meaning making– Venus naked on a couch (or sea shell or whatever) vs. ‘Trixie Hotstuff’ naked on a couch in a Penthouse– what’s the difference? I’d submit motivation/ calculation. I don’t believe Venus was meant to be hung in Nudie-club bathrooms while Hustler and Playboy were designed with less than reputable intentions.

However, I believe the artists intentions are only half the story. I suggest that YOUR interpretation also needs to go into the calculation. Someone could just as easily be aroused by Trixie as Venus as someone with a fetish getting stimulated by a cartoon character on a kids TV show. Does that make it pornography?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As luck would have it, I just took a Sex and Gender class, am currently in Women Studies, and will TA the Sex and Gender class in the spring. I&#8217;ve gone over this subject for a class and you can see everyone&#8217;s thoughts on the subject of Art v Pornography here: <a href="http://byupsych.wordpress.com/discussion-topics/pornography/" rel='nofollow' onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/byupsych.wordpress.com');">http://byupsych.wordpress.com/discussion-topics/pornography/</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I contributed:<br />
To an extent I would say that ‘Porn is in the eye of the beholder’. Pres. Kimball once said that a boy and a girl can kiss and while the girl may be white as snow, the boy may be sinning (very liberally paraphrasing). I think you know (and the Lord knows) what is in your mind and heart. My friend is an art major and sees the human body as truly the pinnacle of God’s creation and as something that is divinely beautiful! When nude art is properly done she thinks it’s a grand celebration of said beauty. I think this is true and if we all thought as purely as they did in the Garden nudity would not be a problem at all.</p>
<p>However, the opposing vice is that people will always be tempted to see the nude art in lewd and shady ways. A nude painting may be viewed by half the patrons as a wonderful testament to the creation and gift of life, while the other half see it in a more degrading manner. So the question is: Should freedom of speech prevail and let the sinners take responsibility for their own thoughts? Should we run the risk of exposing children to ‘adult material’ and take it all down instead?</p>
<p>I personally can see both arguments -I actually enjoy art a lot and seeing breasts in a setting like the MOMA just doesn’t do it for me- but in the end my opinion is: given the problem it causes, I think the body can be celebrated clothed/draped (even if it’s scant) just as easily as fully naked. I think it’s a shame that Satan would ruin something so sacred for us, but that’s what he’s here to do.</p>
<p>One more note: Remember meaning making– Venus naked on a couch (or sea shell or whatever) vs. ‘Trixie Hotstuff’ naked on a couch in a Penthouse– what’s the difference? I’d submit motivation/ calculation. I don’t believe Venus was meant to be hung in Nudie-club bathrooms while Hustler and Playboy were designed with less than reputable intentions.</p>
<p>However, I believe the artists intentions are only half the story. I suggest that YOUR interpretation also needs to go into the calculation. Someone could just as easily be aroused by Trixie as Venus as someone with a fetish getting stimulated by a cartoon character on a kids TV show. Does that make it pornography?
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		<title>Comment on Hows and whys by Scott L. Peterson</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2008/05/13/hows-and-whys/#comment-74593</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 05:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The prescriptivist in me screams, "That comma should not be there!!!" But other than that, after reading Victor Frankl's &lt;i&gt;Man's Search for Meaning&lt;/i&gt;, I think the quote is pretty valid. Compare this one by Frankl:
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We who lived in the concentration camps can remember the men who walked through the huts comforting others, giving away their last piece of bread. They may have been few in number, but they offer sufficient proof that everything can be taken from a man but one thing: The last of the human freedoms - to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way.  
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Granted that every rule (including this very one) has exceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The prescriptivist in me screams, &#8220;That comma should not be there!!!&#8221; But other than that, after reading Victor Frankl&#8217;s <i>Man&#8217;s Search for Meaning</i>, I think the quote is pretty valid. Compare this one by Frankl:</p>
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We who lived in the concentration camps can remember the men who walked through the huts comforting others, giving away their last piece of bread. They may have been few in number, but they offer sufficient proof that everything can be taken from a man but one thing: The last of the human freedoms - to choose one&#8217;s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one&#8217;s own way.
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<p>Granted that every rule (including this very one) has exceptions.
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		<title>Comment on City of cedar by Tammy</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2008/05/11/city-of-cedar/#comment-74574</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 20:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh wait...just went back and re-read your last paragraph. The Lytle Ranch probably falls under the "incredibly boring" category.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh wait&#8230;just went back and re-read your last paragraph. The Lytle Ranch probably falls under the &#8220;incredibly boring&#8221; category.  :)
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		<title>Comment on City of cedar by Tammy</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2008/05/11/city-of-cedar/#comment-74572</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 20:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The Lytle Ranch Preserve in southern Utah. I think it's free to camp there. I lived there for a year when I was six while my dad managed it for BYU. Middle of nowhere in a big way, but pretty and peaceful. I would take a buddy, though, b/c it's kind of hard to find. 

http://www.nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/utah/preserves/art5830.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Lytle Ranch Preserve in southern Utah. I think it&#8217;s free to camp there. I lived there for a year when I was six while my dad managed it for BYU. Middle of nowhere in a big way, but pretty and peaceful. I would take a buddy, though, b/c it&#8217;s kind of hard to find. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/utah/preserves/art5830.html" rel='nofollow' onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/www.nature.org');">http://www.nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/utah/preserves/art5830.html</a>
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		<title>Comment on Hows and whys by Joe Weidenbach</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2008/05/13/hows-and-whys/#comment-74495</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 06:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Accurate on Elder Holland's part, however, I'm pretty sure he was referring to some of the quotes that Nietzche is more famous for.  Like they say, there's truth to be found everywhere--the adversary couldn't fool us without that being the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Accurate on Elder Holland&#8217;s part, however, I&#8217;m pretty sure he was referring to some of the quotes that Nietzche is more famous for.  Like they say, there&#8217;s truth to be found everywhere&#8211;the adversary couldn&#8217;t fool us without that being the case.
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		<title>Comment on Hows and whys by Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2008/05/13/hows-and-whys/#comment-74490</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 05:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This is just a side note, but when Holland came and did us a mission tour, he said (and I quote) "Well, we don't quote Nietzche in the church, but my point is anyway that he is totally wrong" when discussing some of the late philosopher's views on life. Just throwing that out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just a side note, but when Holland came and did us a mission tour, he said (and I quote) &#8220;Well, we don&#8217;t quote Nietzche in the church, but my point is anyway that he is totally wrong&#8221; when discussing some of the late philosopher&#8217;s views on life. Just throwing that out there.
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		<title>Comment on City of cedar by Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2008/05/11/city-of-cedar/#comment-74443</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 06:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, gas is going to kill you about anywhere you go, but that aside... :-).

Goblin Valley state park is fun, as is Arches National Park. Topaz mountain is a fun destination if you're into rockhounding, though a bit remote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, gas is going to kill you about anywhere you go, but that aside&#8230; :-).</p>
<p>Goblin Valley state park is fun, as is Arches National Park. Topaz mountain is a fun destination if you&#8217;re into rockhounding, though a bit remote.
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		<title>Comment on City of cedar by Haley</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2008/05/11/city-of-cedar/#comment-74370</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Come to California! You could take the train or do the ride board, and I can show you the awesome MLK library downtown with the Beethoven exhibit (you can play a harpsichord if you ask nicely), and there's beautiful Monterey, and of course San Francisco. Plus we have a free guest room :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come to California! You could take the train or do the ride board, and I can show you the awesome MLK library downtown with the Beethoven exhibit (you can play a harpsichord if you ask nicely), and there&#8217;s beautiful Monterey, and of course San Francisco. Plus we have a free guest room :)
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		<title>Comment on A famine in the land by Shirley</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2007/03/11/a-famine-in-the-land/#comment-74257</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 22:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Ben--I'm being daring and bringing up an old one as well as actually making a comment for the first time in ages.  I just wanted to let April know that I am now on my second scripture study journal for a total of 267 pages of handwritten scriptures and thoughts!   Your comments on Ben's post, April, is my favorite "talk" on the subject of scripture study.  So I just wanted to thank you and let you know that it has made a difference in my life, truly.  

I've gotten good at doing the bubble letters at the top of the pages.  I really like that to help me see at a glance what topic is at that page.  They are often an  example of a homily.  I did not know what that word meant and looked it up and want to look even more for those to put as my titles.  Here's some of my most recent examples:  "...sufficiently retained in remembrance.."., "...sing the song of redeeming love...", "bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ."  LIke you said, a whole sermon could be written off of these.  Well I could go on and on but I just want to say that I am very grateful to you.  It has made a huge difference in the effectiveness of my scripture study time!  Thanks, April and Ben!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ben&#8211;I&#8217;m being daring and bringing up an old one as well as actually making a comment for the first time in ages.  I just wanted to let April know that I am now on my second scripture study journal for a total of 267 pages of handwritten scriptures and thoughts!   Your comments on Ben&#8217;s post, April, is my favorite &#8220;talk&#8221; on the subject of scripture study.  So I just wanted to thank you and let you know that it has made a difference in my life, truly.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve gotten good at doing the bubble letters at the top of the pages.  I really like that to help me see at a glance what topic is at that page.  They are often an  example of a homily.  I did not know what that word meant and looked it up and want to look even more for those to put as my titles.  Here&#8217;s some of my most recent examples:  &#8220;&#8230;sufficiently retained in remembrance..&#8221;., &#8220;&#8230;sing the song of redeeming love&#8230;&#8221;, &#8220;bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.&#8221;  LIke you said, a whole sermon could be written off of these.  Well I could go on and on but I just want to say that I am very grateful to you.  It has made a huge difference in the effectiveness of my scripture study time!  Thanks, April and Ben!
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		<title>Comment on Commonplaces by George</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2008/05/08/commonplaces/#comment-73683</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 20:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Great post. I actually do this myself- take down thoughts I have and quotes etc. I have filled 2 moleskins before and on my third one I got to thinking. Even though it's fun and convenient (kept it in my backpack), it took great pains to search through each page for a quote I wanted and by the time you get to your second or third commonplace book you forget what you wrote down in your first one! That's why I've copied my thoughts to a COMPUTER page- won't get lost (backup files), always legible, able to go back and add more after the fact, and very searchable (I use OneNote2007 and it's fantastic).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I actually do this myself- take down thoughts I have and quotes etc. I have filled 2 moleskins before and on my third one I got to thinking. Even though it&#8217;s fun and convenient (kept it in my backpack), it took great pains to search through each page for a quote I wanted and by the time you get to your second or third commonplace book you forget what you wrote down in your first one! That&#8217;s why I&#8217;ve copied my thoughts to a COMPUTER page- won&#8217;t get lost (backup files), always legible, able to go back and add more after the fact, and very searchable (I use OneNote2007 and it&#8217;s fantastic).
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