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		<title>Comment on they’re called ‘night-terrors’ by Chris Lorensson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lorensson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Daphne

Yes - this is a heavily misunderstood topic. Again - a case where it helps to know The Creator in order to know the scientific and spiritual truth about a matter. I don't claim to have it all figured out, but because I know Him, I have figured out a few things that even Freud couldn't have imagined.

The trick, as always, is Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Daphne</p>
<p>Yes &#8211; this is a heavily misunderstood topic. Again &#8211; a case where it helps to know The Creator in order to know the scientific and spiritual truth about a matter. I don&#8217;t claim to have it all figured out, but because I know Him, I have figured out a few things that even Freud couldn&#8217;t have imagined.</p>
<p>The trick, as always, is Jesus.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I don’t go to church much: Part 3 by Chris Lorensson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lorensson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Daphne

Thanks for your comments Daphne.

I think that the human idea of the church 'running smoothly' is incorrect. As with so many things, we've misunderstood what God meant and instead replaced it with our own wisdom.

I actually do believe that it is Godly for a church body to 'run smoothly' - but under His definition of 'smoothly' rathe than the human definition.


Amen - we are saved by grace.


I'm 100% devoted to Jesus (during the 1% of the time when I'm not focused on myself). So I'm not a great role model in many cases. But the way I see it is that I only have to answer to God - not anyone else. That's why I write these things. In fact, that's exactly why this site was created - to present a platform for ideas exactly like this one.

One trick I've been learning lately is to seek His timing, and be on-track with His plan - as opposed to my own. This keeps my from stupid decisions, and ultimately leads me exactly where I ought to be - in His footsteps.

Disregard the terrible cliche.

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Daphne</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments Daphne.</p>
<p>I think that the human idea of the church &#8216;running smoothly&#8217; is incorrect. As with so many things, we&#8217;ve misunderstood what God meant and instead replaced it with our own wisdom.</p>
<p>I actually do believe that it is Godly for a church body to &#8216;run smoothly&#8217; &#8211; but under His definition of &#8217;smoothly&#8217; rathe than the human definition.</p>
<p>Amen &#8211; we are saved by grace.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 100% devoted to Jesus (during the 1% of the time when I&#8217;m not focused on myself). So I&#8217;m not a great role model in many cases. But the way I see it is that I only have to answer to God &#8211; not anyone else. That&#8217;s why I write these things. In fact, that&#8217;s exactly why this site was created &#8211; to present a platform for ideas exactly like this one.</p>
<p>One trick I&#8217;ve been learning lately is to seek His timing, and be on-track with His plan &#8211; as opposed to my own. This keeps my from stupid decisions, and ultimately leads me exactly where I ought to be &#8211; in His footsteps.</p>
<p>Disregard the terrible cliche.</p>
<p> <img src='http://upptacka.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I don’t go to church much: Part 3 by daphne</title>
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		<dc:creator>daphne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello
another response.
heres some ideas;
don't put anything up there on the (inner spiritual) platform except Jesus (especailly not 'the church' or 'being a Christian'). 
control = repression of the individual: In churches, seeds of control are sown by the anti-Christ. All influence should be from the Holy Spirit. 
A spirit or desire to control something or anything - like a church - is, according to Derek Prince who provides scriptural evidence, always rooted in witchcraft and from this come manipulative tactics. Thsi is what we're dealing with in our society today, especaially in adverts - emotional blackmail etc.
There is no condemnation in Christ. We are saved by grace, not works.
I have been acused of being 'too spiritual' about everyday things but this is my defence;
we live in a humanistic very unspiritual age (think of the medieval times!) and there is a balance to re-dress. Also;
'My heart departed from the Lord and I trusted in the arm of flesh, and dwelt in a salt land ' for many years. Now my heart is with the Lord, and I have a presonal balance to re-dress and maintian.'The arm of the Lord is not too short to save'. We do not need to trust in our own strength and schemes but fall at his feet and love Him. (Mary and Martha). then as 'God makes things grow' we will be shown the miracle that will happen - the seed that becomes an oak tree (in peoples hearts, then over flowing into the community).
I have used the word 'clone' in the past. I am trying not to become a 'Christian clone' of everyone else and many church leaders find this irritating and difficult - but the Lord is the head of the church - the leaders are just 'head sheep' not the Shepherd himself. I have a personal balance to re-dress - that is my responsibility and more important to me than their church functioning smoothly. Jesus was/is the sacrifice, not me.
hope this is interesting for you
Daphne
PS Great web site - have really enjoyed reading your thoughts on all this - thank you for posting them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello<br />
another response.<br />
heres some ideas;<br />
don&#8217;t put anything up there on the (inner spiritual) platform except Jesus (especailly not &#8216;the church&#8217; or &#8216;being a Christian&#8217;).<br />
control = repression of the individual: In churches, seeds of control are sown by the anti-Christ. All influence should be from the Holy Spirit.<br />
A spirit or desire to control something or anything &#8211; like a church &#8211; is, according to Derek Prince who provides scriptural evidence, always rooted in witchcraft and from this come manipulative tactics. Thsi is what we&#8217;re dealing with in our society today, especaially in adverts &#8211; emotional blackmail etc.<br />
There is no condemnation in Christ. We are saved by grace, not works.<br />
I have been acused of being &#8216;too spiritual&#8217; about everyday things but this is my defence;<br />
we live in a humanistic very unspiritual age (think of the medieval times!) and there is a balance to re-dress. Also;<br />
&#8216;My heart departed from the Lord and I trusted in the arm of flesh, and dwelt in a salt land &#8216; for many years. Now my heart is with the Lord, and I have a presonal balance to re-dress and maintian.&#8217;The arm of the Lord is not too short to save&#8217;. We do not need to trust in our own strength and schemes but fall at his feet and love Him. (Mary and Martha). then as &#8216;God makes things grow&#8217; we will be shown the miracle that will happen &#8211; the seed that becomes an oak tree (in peoples hearts, then over flowing into the community).<br />
I have used the word &#8216;clone&#8217; in the past. I am trying not to become a &#8216;Christian clone&#8217; of everyone else and many church leaders find this irritating and difficult &#8211; but the Lord is the head of the church &#8211; the leaders are just &#8216;head sheep&#8217; not the Shepherd himself. I have a personal balance to re-dress &#8211; that is my responsibility and more important to me than their church functioning smoothly. Jesus was/is the sacrifice, not me.<br />
hope this is interesting for you<br />
Daphne<br />
PS Great web site &#8211; have really enjoyed reading your thoughts on all this &#8211; thank you for posting them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on they’re called ‘night-terrors’ by daphne</title>
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		<dc:creator>daphne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello
I am a Christian and work as fine artist so I am interested in your thoughts. 
i had night terrors too (from age 10 - 13 yrs). In my case it was a real thing - I won't go into it - but since I became a Christian in 1986, i have known that it was just a demon or evil spirit . So nothing to worry about cos Jesus defeated them all on the cross. Deliverance is a beautiful and holy thing (and nothing to do with horror films!). Freedom and explosions of life are within you always.
love Daphne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello<br />
I am a Christian and work as fine artist so I am interested in your thoughts.<br />
i had night terrors too (from age 10 &#8211; 13 yrs). In my case it was a real thing &#8211; I won&#8217;t go into it &#8211; but since I became a Christian in 1986, i have known that it was just a demon or evil spirit . So nothing to worry about cos Jesus defeated them all on the cross. Deliverance is a beautiful and holy thing (and nothing to do with horror films!). Freedom and explosions of life are within you always.<br />
love Daphne</p>
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		<title>Comment on mr. wino, and a friend by Chris Lorensson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lorensson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After re-reading Rev's post, it reminds me of another story:

A few months ago there was this homeless drunk in the middle of a big shopping area. I had spoken with him before when he had been in a better state - so I knew his manner a bit. He was obviously not feeling very well and was leaning over a bench in pain. He had a buddy with him, who was a bit more on the ball.

As I walked near, his buddy asked me for some money "to buy my friend some food - he's not doing very well and hasn't eaten in three days - I'm a Christian".

I stopped, quite shocked by the compassion this guy's buddy had for him. The drunk guy wasn't in much of a state to talk at all, as he was in serious pain. But as I started speaking with them, I realised that the drunk was hardly able to move at all, and was completely disabled by too much booze, and didn't really feel like eating at all - even though he "hadn't eaten in three days".

So eventually the drunkard had managed to muster up enough energy to ask me for money. He had told me he wasn't hungry, and hadn't mentioned what he had planned to spend any money on. I felt that, given the situation, cash-in-hand was not going to be what this dude really needed.

So I told them I wouldn't give them any money, but that I'd buy them some food.

The drunk protested, saying he just wanted money. I reiterated that he wasn't getting any money from me because I didn't think it would ultimately be very helpful to him. I asked him if he were hungry, what would he want to eat?

McDonald's

So I took them both, very slowly, to the nearest McDonald's and bought some food, which they both thanked me for (they were both very polite), and even though the drunk didn't feel hungry, they both sat and ate all the food. I left.


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Generally, I don't have a problem with giving a smoker a cigarette, or a drinker a can of beer. But perhaps I should? I don't know whether or not to think that's okay to help fuel a habit - but the reason I do it because it's a way for me to show people I love them - to give them something.

You can argue back and forth whether that's really love - fuelling habits - but as a smoker, I would certainly be grateful if someone gave me a cigarette if I was out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After re-reading Rev&#8217;s post, it reminds me of another story:</p>
<p>A few months ago there was this homeless drunk in the middle of a big shopping area. I had spoken with him before when he had been in a better state &#8211; so I knew his manner a bit. He was obviously not feeling very well and was leaning over a bench in pain. He had a buddy with him, who was a bit more on the ball.</p>
<p>As I walked near, his buddy asked me for some money &#8220;to buy my friend some food &#8211; he&#8217;s not doing very well and hasn&#8217;t eaten in three days &#8211; I&#8217;m a Christian&#8221;.</p>
<p>I stopped, quite shocked by the compassion this guy&#8217;s buddy had for him. The drunk guy wasn&#8217;t in much of a state to talk at all, as he was in serious pain. But as I started speaking with them, I realised that the drunk was hardly able to move at all, and was completely disabled by too much booze, and didn&#8217;t really feel like eating at all &#8211; even though he &#8220;hadn&#8217;t eaten in three days&#8221;.</p>
<p>So eventually the drunkard had managed to muster up enough energy to ask me for money. He had told me he wasn&#8217;t hungry, and hadn&#8217;t mentioned what he had planned to spend any money on. I felt that, given the situation, cash-in-hand was not going to be what this dude really needed.</p>
<p>So I told them I wouldn&#8217;t give them any money, but that I&#8217;d buy them some food.</p>
<p>The drunk protested, saying he just wanted money. I reiterated that he wasn&#8217;t getting any money from me because I didn&#8217;t think it would ultimately be very helpful to him. I asked him if he were hungry, what would he want to eat?</p>
<p>McDonald&#8217;s</p>
<p>So I took them both, very slowly, to the nearest McDonald&#8217;s and bought some food, which they both thanked me for (they were both very polite), and even though the drunk didn&#8217;t feel hungry, they both sat and ate all the food. I left.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Generally, I don&#8217;t have a problem with giving a smoker a cigarette, or a drinker a can of beer. But perhaps I should? I don&#8217;t know whether or not to think that&#8217;s okay to help fuel a habit &#8211; but the reason I do it because it&#8217;s a way for me to show people I love them &#8211; to give them something.</p>
<p>You can argue back and forth whether that&#8217;s really love &#8211; fuelling habits &#8211; but as a smoker, I would certainly be grateful if someone gave me a cigarette if I was out.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I don’t go to church much: Part 3 by Chris Lorensson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lorensson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, thanks for the comment, bro.

I read "Life Together" a few years back, but perhaps I should go through it again.

It's funny- because all these things I'm saying are really just observations. I think I notice them because I naturally have a certain set of values for Community, but I think in (probably) ANY organisation it's very difficult to overcome the Capitalistic social value of being the 'biggest and best' of everything... but I think that's one value that community members struggle to overcome.

I believe that change can only come from The Spirit working through individuals, and in-turn, those individuals working together, in community, to realise a truer set of 'Kingdom' values as we move further down the road of discovery of the social Kingdom Culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks for the comment, bro.</p>
<p>I read &#8220;Life Together&#8221; a few years back, but perhaps I should go through it again.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny- because all these things I&#8217;m saying are really just observations. I think I notice them because I naturally have a certain set of values for Community, but I think in (probably) ANY organisation it&#8217;s very difficult to overcome the Capitalistic social value of being the &#8216;biggest and best&#8217; of everything&#8230; but I think that&#8217;s one value that community members struggle to overcome.</p>
<p>I believe that change can only come from The Spirit working through individuals, and in-turn, those individuals working together, in community, to realise a truer set of &#8216;Kingdom&#8217; values as we move further down the road of discovery of the social Kingdom Culture.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I don’t go to church much: Part 3 by shiloh Bradshaw ( DJ EKG)</title>
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		<dc:creator>shiloh Bradshaw ( DJ EKG)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see with this post a bit more what you are saying with this series.  You might want to read Deitrich Bonhoeffer's "Life Together"    Part of your post reminded me of a quote of his, " He who loves his idea of community will kill community, but he who loves the people around him will create community"    Vision is so key, and I think the same principle applies, a vision should serve the poeple by creating a context and outlet to develop and grow and to use their strengths.   However often times it is easy to fall into the trap of having the people serve the vision.  It becomes about the organzation rather than the people.    A vision ( in the context of church) should be a conduit through which to direct people towards deeper relationship with and and each other,  and the community at large, but often times it can become a conduit that directs people towards the primary goal of establishing a "successful organization" which isn't always mutually exclusive from the previously stated thought, but can become a hindrance when it becomes about the structure, or organzation. This leads to a dscussion which I'll save for later on Organization vs Organixm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see with this post a bit more what you are saying with this series.  You might want to read Deitrich Bonhoeffer&#8217;s &#8220;Life Together&#8221;    Part of your post reminded me of a quote of his, &#8221; He who loves his idea of community will kill community, but he who loves the people around him will create community&#8221;    Vision is so key, and I think the same principle applies, a vision should serve the poeple by creating a context and outlet to develop and grow and to use their strengths.   However often times it is easy to fall into the trap of having the people serve the vision.  It becomes about the organzation rather than the people.    A vision ( in the context of church) should be a conduit through which to direct people towards deeper relationship with and and each other,  and the community at large, but often times it can become a conduit that directs people towards the primary goal of establishing a &#8220;successful organization&#8221; which isn&#8217;t always mutually exclusive from the previously stated thought, but can become a hindrance when it becomes about the structure, or organzation. This leads to a dscussion which I&#8217;ll save for later on Organization vs Organixm.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Richness Burn the Light by Chris Lorensson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lorensson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the first poem I've written in months- it's about man's status in relation to God. The image of the 'twirling spike' is something that's been in my head for a couple years, this isn't the first time I've used it. I guess it represents something of the personal baggage that we accumulate, and willingly. 

The 'tapping' is another way of relating our the idea of human momentum- in direct opposition to the 'now word' of God- which is His plan- The Kingdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first poem I&#8217;ve written in months- it&#8217;s about man&#8217;s status in relation to God. The image of the &#8216;twirling spike&#8217; is something that&#8217;s been in my head for a couple years, this isn&#8217;t the first time I&#8217;ve used it. I guess it represents something of the personal baggage that we accumulate, and willingly. </p>
<p>The &#8216;tapping&#8217; is another way of relating our the idea of human momentum- in direct opposition to the &#8216;now word&#8217; of God- which is His plan- The Kingdom.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I don’t go to church much: Part 1 by brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some serious food for thought here.  See you at SB tomorrow morning. I'm sure we'll crack this nut in 45 minutes....!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some serious food for thought here.  See you at SB tomorrow morning. I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ll crack this nut in 45 minutes&#8230;.!</p>
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		<title>Comment on breath little conundrum by Darrel Lict</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrel Lict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very thought provoking... The repetition you used is very effective... When i read this, i see myself sitting in a park, smoking a cigarette watching the world go by.  The interesting thing about that, which is why this is such an excellent poem, is that it makes me think about what i would be thinking about in such a situation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very thought provoking&#8230; The repetition you used is very effective&#8230; When i read this, i see myself sitting in a park, smoking a cigarette watching the world go by.  The interesting thing about that, which is why this is such an excellent poem, is that it makes me think about what i would be thinking about in such a situation!</p>
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