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&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;And once again the subject is being brought up in&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;the &lt;a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-17115791"&gt;media&lt;/a&gt;. W&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;hich isn't a surprise considering certain areas of the UK are almost in a continual state of drought. I'll come back to that later.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;Let's look back to the 70s first, in particular to the&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_Act_1973"&gt;Water Act 1973&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;. This act restructured the water authorities i&lt;/span&gt;n England and Wales ready for privatisation in the 80s. There is a full list of these &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Water_Authority"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, but as always we only care abo&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;ut the ones that involve Wales. I will add that I will leave out &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dee_Valley_Water" target="_blank"&gt;Dee Valley Water&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; and concentrate on the big two. I have also asked both Severn Trent and &lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;Dŵr Cymru for a complete list of their reservoirs in Wales to enable a more in depth analysis. Until then let's just focus on what can be found with a quick google. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severn_Trent_Water_Authority" style="color: black;" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severn_Trent_Water_Authority"&gt;Severn Trent&lt;/a&gt;. This started life as an amalgamation of 20 or so public sector water authorities, one of which was Montgomeryshire. One of the original counties of Wales and now part of Powys. They also own reservoirs in Wales.&lt;br /&gt;
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If you are a Welsh based customer of Severn Trent I would be wondering why areas in Wales that are unmetered pay more for their water than similar areas in England. Here's the &lt;a href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&amp;amp;q=cache:3aax0S9fE60J:www.stwater.co.uk/ConMediaFile/2451+severn+trent+cost+per+litre&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;gl=uk&amp;amp;pid=bl&amp;amp;srcid=ADGEESgCvIGQGHkOoiMHOSumwYjHhpo839xgufkqa4aZ8YsdQZ7nfZC30HbRmoIbnBYzlE06u-SEf3Kn9KEV-e_fgVCAy72jfRrmsm-uYRgis7XgE8JmdbdUOw1HcYVoU-8NLQhOSgh-&amp;amp;sig=AHIEtbTnGk13T1dpE1GOuEmq9zLxeLoN3g"&gt;pricing guide for 2011-12 &lt;/a&gt;so&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;you can check it yourself.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; color: black; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Bnz63vKr1Dc/T0Tr2OY9IBI/AAAAAAAAAE8/C7PWf2kjL08/s1600/800px-Badgernet_Clywedog_reservoir_3.JPG"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Bnz63vKr1Dc/T0Tr2OY9IBI/AAAAAAAAAE8/C7PWf2kjL08/s320/800px-Badgernet_Clywedog_reservoir_3.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clywedog_reservoir"&gt;Clywedog reservoir&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;, near Llandiloes in Powys. Built by damming the Afon Clywedog in 1967 to supply water to Birmingham and the Midlands. It's the tallest concrete dam in the UK with a height of 72m and a water volume of 50,000 mega litres. Let's pause right there, because I'm not sure what a mega litre is. Using this handy&lt;/span&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.convertunits.com/from/litres/to/megalitre"&gt;conversion tool&lt;/a&gt; I &lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;can now tell you that 50,000 ML is 50,000,000,000 Litres. So we've looked at one reservoir, built in Wales by England to supply England with Welsh water that is managed by a HQ in England that is capable of storing fifty billion litres of water.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; color: black; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vS0OoWRPLDY/T0Tr4QHeUvI/AAAAAAAAAFE/1y_LlpOd6ck/s1600/800px-Lakevyrnwysummer.jpg"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vS0OoWRPLDY/T0Tr4QHeUvI/AAAAAAAAAFE/1y_LlpOd6ck/s320/800px-Lakevyrnwysummer.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Vyrnwy" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Vyrnwy"&gt;Lake Vyrnwy&lt;/a&gt;, Powys. Built by flooding the Welsh village of Llanwddyn to supply Liverpool and Merseyside. It has a volume of 59,666 ML. So that's just under 60 billion litres of our water.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;I don't know about you but those numbers make my head hurt. We've only looked at two English owned reservoirs in Wales yet they can provide up to 110 billion litres of water for England. Let's try and put those numbers into some perspective without resorting to Olympic sized clichés.&lt;br /&gt;
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The BBC's diet and nutrition expert Dr Toni Steer &lt;a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/treatments/healthy_living/nutrition/healthy_water.shtml#how_much_water_do_we_need"&gt;recommends&lt;/a&gt; that the average adult needs between 1.5 and 3 litres of water per day.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;Now let's assume that Wales' population of 3 million are all adults and all require 3 litres per day. That works out as 9,000,000 litres that Wales needs per day. or 3,285,000,000 litres per year.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;Now you divide the 110 billion by our yearly requirement and we have enough to supply Wales for 33 years. Obviously that factors in no loss through evaporation and not washing (I'll cover that later), but it also factors in no more rain. Plus it's only two reservoirs in Wales.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.dwrcymru.com/en/Company-Information/Dwr-Cymru-Welsh-Water/Key-Facts.aspx"&gt;81&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt; more are owned by Dŵr Cymru.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;So what about Dŵr Cymru, they are Welsh. Aren't they?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.dwrcymru.com/en/Company-Information/Glas-Cymru/Background.aspx" style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.dwrcymru.com/en/Company-Information/Glas-Cymru/Background.aspx"&gt;Dŵr Cymru / Welsh Water&lt;/a&gt; i&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;s owned by Glas Cymru, purchased for £1 back in 2001 after the previous company, Hyder went belly up after a decade of capitalist greed post privitisation left it with £1.85 billion in debts. It's limited to water only business dealings and is designed to be run solely for the benefit of it's customers. Not all of these customers are in Wales. They also supply to customers over the border. That was the short, polite and politically correct answer, &lt;a href="http://freewales.org/welsh-water-ripoff/" target="_blank"&gt;there is a longer, more in depth answer in this very good article by Glasiad ap Gruffydd.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;I've taken the following from the&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.dwrcymru.com/en/Company-Information/Dwr-Cymru-Welsh-Water/Key-Facts.aspx"&gt;website&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt; of DCWW.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;Welsh Water is the regulated company that provides water supply and sewerage services to over three million people living and working in Wales and some adjoining areas of England.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;We have 1.2 million household customers and over 110,000 business customers making us the sixth largest of the 23 regulated water companies in England and Wales.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;So that's over 3 million people per day. Conveniently that is also the same number as the total population of Wales. This time, all these millions of litres of water they supply every single day does include washing, flushing toilets, washing the car, watering the garden, filling your pond and all those other things we and many across the border who are with Dŵr Cymru use our drinking water to do.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;So anything else, such as the 110 billion litres in those two reservoirs in Powys is just a bonus, right? And if we were in a position where we were capable of selling our water then it would make financial sense to boost the potential on our terms. If we wanted to create a new reservoir or expand an existing one it would be our choice.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;So we &lt;/span&gt;already know we have plenty of water for us that's fairly obvious. And as the following graphic from &lt;a href="http://archive.defra.gov.uk/sustainable/government/progress/national/17.htm"&gt;Defra&lt;/a&gt; shows Wales doesn't have any real issue with water stress. Which is just as well for our &lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;English neighbours whose continuing fascination with growth in one corner of the UK means that (according to Defra) there is "very little water available" to them.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; color: black; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0NDSQHqjYLQ/T0Tt3StYkOI/AAAAAAAAAFc/VmJaqmlKhyQ/s1600/17waterstress.gif"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0NDSQHqjYLQ/T0Tt3StYkOI/AAAAAAAAAFc/VmJaqmlKhyQ/s320/17waterstress.gif" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CVGnO0Gd7Y8/T0ejV26kPxI/AAAAAAAAAF0/v-RR-dVx-TI/s1600/UK+30.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;If you hadn't worked it out by now, that one corner where they focus all the growth is also the driest corner of the UK too. The following graphic depicts average annual rainfall for the UK for the 30 years between 1971-2000.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;If you visit &lt;a href="http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/averages/ukmapavge.html" target="_blank"&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt; you can play about with the interactive maps on the Met Office website. Find out how many days of rainfall, average temperature, hours of sunshine etc. They are point to the one corner of England being warmer, drier and sunnier than the rest of the UK.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;span id="goog_66103398"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span id="goog_66103399"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
So we've established that England has destroyed Welsh communities for the sole benefit of supplying Welsh water to England.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;We've established that Wales is more than self sufficient in Water and an exporter.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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We've established that many people in Wales pay more for our water than the English pay for our water.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;And we've also established that England simply could not survive without taking our water.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;So why can't we do anything about it? Well the problem we have in Wales is what is known as the funding gap, that is the deficit between what Wales earns and what Wales needs to earn. Otherwise known in some circles of Wales as "we are too poor, too weak and too stupid" and in England it's known as "those Taffies would never survive without our subsidies".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;In previous articles we looked at how &lt;a href="http://welshnotbritish.blogspot.com/2012/02/what-now-for-labour-voters.html"&gt;Labour MPs in Wales betrayed us&lt;/a&gt; by voting against devolving our natural resources and we also looked at &lt;a href="http://welshnotbritish.blogspot.com/2012/02/crown-estate.html"&gt;The Crown Estate&lt;/a&gt; holdings in Wales that Plaid Cymru want devolved to Wales. There are those that want Wales to be given the opportunity to be able to develop it's own economy, narrow the funding gap and the&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;refore not be "such a burden" on other parts of the UK. Then there are those whose own interests are in serving the South East of England. Keeping them wealthy and keeping the other areas weak.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;Here's the big reveal, water is already devolved to Wales but we are not able to benefit financially from the sale of water to people in Wales, let alone England due not having any tax raising powers. Not that this would matter because of something called...&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/32/section/152"&gt;The Government of Wales Act 2006&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: black;"&gt;Nestled in the miscellaneous section of this act is a clause relating to water. It states...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: black;"&gt;Intervention in case of functions relating to water etc&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: black;"&gt;(1) This section applies where it appear&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;s to the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.walesoffice.gov.uk/"&gt;Secretary of State&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt; that the exercise of a relevant function&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: black;"&gt; (or the failure to exercise a relevant function) in any particular case might have a serious adverse impact on—&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: black;"&gt;(a) water resources in England,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: black;"&gt;(b) water supply in England, or&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: black;"&gt;(c) the quality of water in England.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;So we finally have our answer. Providing we let England take as much water as they require, both now and in the future the water is ours. Should we do anything to affect the supply then they retake control via the Secretary of State for Wales.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FmVOQHWJGaQ/T0c9RwdL3lI/AAAAAAAAAFs/Hq-tRJ5OLbQ/s1600/ayb+gillan.gif" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="188" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FmVOQHWJGaQ/T0c9RwdL3lI/AAAAAAAAAFs/Hq-tRJ5OLbQ/s320/ayb+gillan.gif" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br style="color: black;" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;And there is not a single thing we can do about it unless we can get out of the ridiculous habit of voting for political parties that continue to put the needs of England over our own.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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And there we have it, a whole article about the colonial greed of England destroying Welsh communities and plundering Welsh water without a single mention of&lt;/span&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.llgc.org.uk/ymgyrchu/Dwr/Tryweryn/index-e.htm"&gt;Tryweryn&lt;/a&gt;. D&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;'oh!&lt;br /&gt;
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Clearly proving that Labour and the Conservatives are against devolution. No matter what their minions in the Assembly say.&lt;br /&gt;
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A week later &lt;a href="http://www.english.plaidcymru.org/news/2012/02/09/plaid-cymru-publishes-silk-commission-proposals-for-improving-nations-economic-performance/" target="_blank"&gt;Plaid Cymru published it's proposals&lt;/a&gt; to the Silk Commission. For those unaware, the Silk Commission is another name for the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Devolution_in_Wales" target="_blank"&gt;Commission on Devolution in Wales&lt;/a&gt;. Set up to discuss the devolution of fiscal powers to the Welsh Assembly.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: #93c47d; color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Number 6 on Plaids list of proposals is as follows.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: #93c47d; color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: #93c47d;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Crown Estates: Given that, in the past, Wales has not fully  benefited from its abundant energy resources, ownership of and control  over the Crown Estates in Wales should be transferred to the Welsh  Government&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;To put it bluntly The Crown Estate is a huge property portfolio, amassed over the centuries by the monachs, but these days all profits go directly to HM Treasury. So along with everything else on this list of Plaid Cymru proposals it doesn't currently benefit Wales. Well at least not directly, and even then not by much.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Firstly, for legal reasons I want to stress that I am complying fully with the following from The Crown Estate.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Copyright&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Material on this site is protected by copyright. Unless stated otherwise, the copyright owner is The Crown Estate. Material may be downloaded or copied for personal use, provided it is reproduced accurately and not used in a misleading context. You may not make alterations or additions to the material on this website or sell it to a third party. Where information is re-published in any format, appropriate acknowledgement of the copyright owner is required.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;So all pictures, maps and info, unless otherwise stated have been reproduced from &lt;a href="http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/" target="_blank"&gt;The Crown Estate&lt;/a&gt; website, none have been doctored. Other than cropping, I've left the original pictures exactly as they were when I took a screen shot. And I shall not use them to mislead anyone.&lt;br /&gt;
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I've included a lot of links in this article, tons in fact. That's for my benefit so I know where I found the info and your benefit if you wanted to read up on something.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VIfjhYlQdJQ/TzjzMqbm3NI/AAAAAAAAAEg/Mu-dxjB2Lek/s1600/full+shot.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VIfjhYlQdJQ/TzjzMqbm3NI/AAAAAAAAAEg/Mu-dxjB2Lek/s1600/full+shot.png" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Here we have a zoomed out shot of Britain taken from the official website of &lt;a href="http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/" target="_blank"&gt;The Crown Estate&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;It's a very cluttered map, basically spread out all across Britain, there are anchors and buildings, green stuff, W's and 3's, whatever they are. And that's just the stuff we can see.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qwFimi7Uvmk/Tzj1NL2YG6I/AAAAAAAAAEw/IjmEacDHfA4/s1600/full+shot+-+dots+-+wales.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qwFimi7Uvmk/Tzj1NL2YG6I/AAAAAAAAAEw/IjmEacDHfA4/s1600/full+shot+-+dots+-+wales.png" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BPqaPxjcpvk/Tzj0WtSe4AI/AAAAAAAAAEo/GxKNp4myEUY/s1600/full+shot+-+dots+-+wales.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Right, now we're getting somewhere. We can see there's a really good spread of dots in all different colours across the four "regions" of the UK. Thankfully The Crown Estate website provides us with a a nice colour coded key, which saves me having to make one. And it also means that when I write about these areas I will enclose them in the appropriate colour. So if you want to skip to something near you, then just look for that colour. It's also worth noting this map isn't very accurate, so some things aren't quite where they should be. But it you visit the page and zoom in you'll see it better.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;There's also some important info above the key. Ignore the top as one that's nothing to do with us. The next three should immediately start you asking questions.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Mines Royal refers to a &lt;a href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/WillandMar/5-6/6/introduction" target="_blank"&gt;three hundred year old law&lt;/a&gt; that is still in act to this day. To paraphrase the gibberish old law it basically states that if you have a copper, tin, lead or iron mine then go nuts. If it has silver or gold in it then we'll have a bit of that. These days though they'll just sell you an option to look for the precious metals. And if you find them then you could also give them even more money for an extraction license. Just as &lt;a href="http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2012/02/11/gold-mining-could-restart-in-snowdonia-91466-30308549/" target="_blank"&gt;Gold Mines of Wales&lt;/a&gt; are hoping to do up in Eryri.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Now back to the map, again the website was kind enough to highlight Wales for me and also to write it on the map, copyright rules and all that. Remember the map is &lt;a href="http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/estates-map/" target="_blank"&gt;fully interactive&lt;/a&gt;, so if there's an area near you that you want to find out more then use the map. But I'm going to try and break down exactly what's in Wales.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div style="background-color: #93c47d;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;We'll start at Tintern Minerals near the border to the south, &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tintern" target="_blank"&gt;Tintern&lt;/a&gt; is just north of Chepstow. It's listed as a rural asset and managed by John Pears of Wardell Armstrong LLP, the phone number listed is no longer in use. A quick google leads me to their &lt;a href="http://www.wardell-armstrong.com/" target="_blank"&gt;website&lt;/a&gt;. And that's when we start to run out of steam. Historically though Tintern was the site of the first &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_of_Mineral_and_Battery_Works" target="_blank"&gt;British wireworks&lt;/a&gt;, ironically set up in Wales to make England less dependent on foreigners. Maybe they originally wanted to build it in England but Nimbys got in their way?&lt;br /&gt;
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The company that manages this location specialises in mineral rights, it appears to be quite common to own land but not own the mineral rights to that land, which can make developing that land quite tricky (palms may need greasing). On their website I found &lt;a href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.wardell-armstrong.com/files/casestudy/227.pdf" target="_blank"&gt;this case study&lt;/a&gt; that mentions this.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="portfolioType" style="background-color: #9fc5e8; color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Moving along the Welsh coast now (or should that be UK coast?) we get to Porthcawl. Just off it's coast is the south west marine aggregate zone, otherwise known as a dredging area. It does actually stretch across the Bristol channel but for simplicity they've just shown it here. &lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Clicking on the anchor symbol reveals a list of contracts and which dredging zones they have been awarded. Only one of these 12 zones has been awarded to a &lt;a href="http://www.llanellisand.co.uk/" target="_blank"&gt;Welsh company&lt;/a&gt;. One thing I did find whilst looking at these was a document detailing the &lt;a href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.bmapa.org/downloads/BMAPA_download.pdf" target="_blank"&gt;strategic importance of the marine aggregate industry to the UK&lt;/a&gt;. One little fact I picked up from it is that&amp;nbsp; in 2005 46% of all the gravel and sand sales in Wales came from dredging.&lt;br /&gt;
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So why then, when dredging is obviously so important to Wales' construction industry are we letting foreign companies extract it, process it and then sell it back to us?&lt;br /&gt;
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The dredging also has an impact on &lt;a href="http://gowersos.keyframe.net/background.htm" target="_blank"&gt;beach errosion&lt;/a&gt;. A lot of people come to this part of the world for the scenery and the beaches, some of them are now more rock than sand. Who wants to sunbathe on a rock?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: #e06666; color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Next up is Swansea, or more specifically The Morfa Retail Park, located just across the river from The Liberty Stadium that houses both Swansea City and The Ospreys.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: #e06666; color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: #e06666; color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="font1" style="font-size: small;"&gt;"&lt;i&gt;Morfa  Shopping Park, Swansea. Purchased for  £80 million in 2011. The park  comprises 31,600 m² (340,000 ft²) and  occupiers include WM  Morrison, TK Maxx, New Look, Peacocks, B&amp;amp;Q and  DSG Currys  Megastore&lt;/i&gt;". - The Crown Estate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: #e06666; color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="font1" style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: #e06666; color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span class="font1" style="font-size: small;"&gt;Once again, managed by a firm from outside Wales. This time it's &lt;a href="http://www.joneslanglasalle.co.uk/unitedkingdom/en-gb/Pages/Home.aspx" target="_blank"&gt;Jones, Lang and LaSelle&lt;/a&gt; of London&lt;br /&gt;
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Surely there are firms inside Wales that could manage these assets?&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Skokholm Island is up next, as above with the phone number, the link provided doesn't work. But it does take us to a 404 page on the website of         &lt;a href="http://www.welshwildlife.org/" rel="home" title="The Wildlife Trust of South and West Wales"&gt;The Wildlife Trust Of South and West Wales&lt;/a&gt;. On the whole this looks like one of the better assets from a "not ripping us off" point of view but it's an asset nonetheless.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: #c27ba0;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Next up is the Ramsey Sound Project, just off &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsey_Island" target="_blank"&gt;Ramsey Island&lt;/a&gt;. An indevelopment tidal power project with a capacity of 1.2MW located at the awesomely named "&lt;a href="http://www.the-bitches.co.uk/tidalenergy.html" target="_blank"&gt;The Bitches&lt;/a&gt;". So 1.2MW doesn't sound huge but it's just a tester. Although it does appear odd that this tester, on The Crown Estates property has been funded by &lt;a href="http://www.greenwisebusiness.co.uk/news/12mw-tidal-energy-device-to-be-tested-in-wales-2488.aspx" target="_blank"&gt;The Welsh Government&lt;/a&gt; via the EU.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;There's good and bad in the link (TWG) above, if successful, schemes like this rolled out across our 1200 KMs of coastline could provide up to 4 GWs (gigawatts). Now that alone is enough to run three Back to The Future Deloreans or &lt;a href="http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/09/what-a-watt-is/" target="_blank"&gt;750,000 homes&lt;/a&gt;. Which, according to the &lt;a href="http://wales.gov.uk/topics/statistics/headlines/housing2009/hdw20090818/?lang=en" target="_blank"&gt;Welsh Governments own stats from 2007&lt;/a&gt; would be more than half the homes in Wales. It spoils it though by referring to Wales as a region.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: #93c47d;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Heading north we have three rural assets in fairly close proximity to each other, and unsurprisingly these are all managed by someone in England. This time it's &lt;a href="http://www.knightfrank.co.uk/" target="_blank"&gt;Knight Frank&lt;/a&gt; of Bristol and they manage the sites near Ystradffin, Aberystwyth and Plynlimon.&lt;br /&gt;
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Again there isn't a lot of info I can find about these although at a guess I would suggest &lt;a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/mid/4092928.stm" target="_blank"&gt;turbines&lt;/a&gt;. Maybe some locals might come across this article and add some info below that I can add?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Near to Porthmadog is another Marine area called Llandanwg Dunes. Another broken link doesn't reveal much but a google search takes me to the &lt;a href="http://www.lpyc.org.uk/dunes.htm" target="_blank"&gt;LPYC&lt;/a&gt;. There doesn't appear to be much going on here (I'm happy to be corrected) but what we can see is that there is extensive work needed to protect these areas.&lt;br /&gt;
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Given that we have previously been told that half of the coast line of the UK is owned by The Crown Estate and not all of it is listed on these maps leads me to the folowing conclusion. It wont all be gravy, if the assets of The Crown Estate that are Welsh are devolved to Wales we will have to pay for their upkeep. I know that sounds obvious but not everything thing will be profitable and some areas will have to be subsidised by the profitable areas.&lt;br /&gt;
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But then there is the plus to that aswell. We can ensure that any of these jobs are created in Wales for Welsh people. And where possible using materials sourced in Wales by Welsh people. And it should go without saying that these assets wont be managed by companies outside of Wales.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: #c27ba0;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;To the north of Ynys Mon we have another tidal development, like the one down by "the bitches" it's run by a company from England. Don't let the "&lt;a href="http://www.seagenwales.co.uk/" target="_blank"&gt;Sea Gen Wales&lt;/a&gt;" name fool you. They are based in Bristol. And as we discussed earlier, Bristol is not in Wales. This one generates 10MW (7500 homes). Which must give all the &lt;a href="http://www.marineturbines.com/5/partnerships/" target="_blank"&gt;foreign&lt;/a&gt; partners of this operation a nice tidy profit and some great PR because let's face it, they are "saving the planet", one piece of colony at a time.&lt;br /&gt;
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One thing I noticed though, in their credit is that their website was &lt;a href="http://www.shinyinternet.co.uk/" target="_blank"&gt;designed&lt;/a&gt; by a company in Pontlliw and does have a Cymraeg option. At least that's something.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: #9fc5e8;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Over to Colwyn Bay and we have another marine asset, &lt;a href="http://www.quaymarinas.com/Marinas/DeganwyQuays/Default.aspx" target="_blank"&gt;Deganwy marina&lt;/a&gt;. It's a 165 berth marina that is managed by someone based in Wales. Save the hallelujahs though as yet again the owners of this company are from &lt;a href="http://www.quaymarinas.com/AboutUs/" target="_blank"&gt;Bristol&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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On their website they are very forthright that they are owned by The Crown Estate, I wonder if this is to do with appealing to their target demographic. I used their online quote tool to find out how much it would cost to moor my small 6m boat, the "Fictitious". £327 for the month, bargain. Multiply that by the 165 berths and they have a potential monthly income of at least £54,000.&lt;br /&gt;
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If I wanted to moor my 13.5m vessel, "Fantasyland" for the same period it would cost £737. Obviously this can be a very lucrative business.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: #c27ba0;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;In the Bristol Channel is a round 3 wind farm zone. More commonly referred to as the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Array" target="_blank"&gt;Atlantic Array&lt;/a&gt;, 25GW (19 Deloreans or 18 Million homes). Without having a set maritime border it's hard to see what share of this would come to Wales. What is clear though is that anything on the Welsh side of the border would belong to Wales. And we would need to be compensated as a result if we were not able to benefit directly.&lt;br /&gt;
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In the Irish Sea there are several spots for renewables, the biggest of which lies between Ynys Mon and the Isle of Man. This is operated by Centrica and according to their website the actual location is as follows.&lt;a href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&amp;amp;q=cache:uL_9W9YOh50J:www.centrica.com/files/pdf/centrica_energy/round3factsheet.pdf+centrica+irish+sea+zone&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;gl=uk&amp;amp;pid=bl&amp;amp;srcid=ADGEESgcZLIV9vgOOOD02Kt3SWTfCWAwFd0ynQdmU3NFS7DgQvsCJ_cZk4rknjFPKkJ7EJq1El1WVCNZD6kUXCROZzrPGjz-VbfucZQRbAEnNXqv40F4MjIikymzWGa15irDyJ4abWWt&amp;amp;sig=AHIEtbS25A1zUv_gHwP0zYuoL-7h1lFIeQ" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The boundaries of the zone are approximately 15km from Anglesey, 20km from the Isle of Man, and over 40km to the Cumbrian coast.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Once again we'd have to see what falls into Welsh water but the total area will be enough to provide 4GW. That's the same figure as I mentioned earlier if we could harness our entire coast.&lt;br /&gt;
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There's also another four areas off the coast of Colwyn Bay. Two of these are unquestionably within what would be Welsh waters. The 3rd (named North Hoyle) looks like it would be in our waters too.&lt;br /&gt;
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All three of these are RWE npower with a capacity of 90MW, 567MW and 60MW (717MW total or 525,000 homes). Incidentally the last one which is closer to England is run by Dong Wind (Ltd). I mention that solely for childish reasons.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/media/206857/schedule_of_properties_rights_and_interests.pdf" target="_blank"&gt;To summarise&lt;/a&gt; then it's easy to see just why Plaid Cymru politicians have given The Crown Estate so much attention recently. Especially considering that the yes vote for Scottish independence is making such gains in popularity based on the very real fact that it should be Scotland that benefits from the extortionate amount of &lt;a href="http://oilofscotland.org/" target="_blank"&gt;tax revenue raised by it's oil&lt;/a&gt; and not the UK.&lt;br /&gt;
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In Wales we are always told that we are too weak, too poor and often too stupid to be independent. No one believes we will just click our fingers and be free. It's quite clear there is enormous potential inside the property portfolio of The Crown Estate. As well as all the other points on the &lt;a href="http://www.english.plaidcymru.org/news/2012/02/09/plaid-cymru-publishes-silk-commission-proposals-for-improving-nations-economic-performance/" target="_blank"&gt;Plaid Cymru proposals&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Not only would these little bridges give us our own revenue, but we can make them work in our favour to boost our economy and create jobs for our people. It's all about narrowing the gap between what we earn and what we need to earn. But let's remember the fact that even the UK is &lt;a href="http://www.debtbombshell.com/" target="_blank"&gt;operating at a deficit&lt;/a&gt;, so by using their own logic they too must be too small, too weak and too stupid.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Even after &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_devolution_referendum,_1997" target="_blank"&gt;devolution&lt;/a&gt; and the formation of the Welsh Assembly the only thing that really changed for the average voter in Wales is that they were now able to vote for Labour twice as often.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;But over the last year or so a few things have happened that may cause your Welsh Labour voter to want to rethink their vote.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;It started in March 2011 when the people of Wales &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_devolution_referendum,_2011" target="_blank"&gt;voted&lt;/a&gt; to give their assembly more powers. Over 63% agreed with granting further powers. Two months later in May the people of Wales put their crosses next to Labour and Labour were again in control of the assembly, except this time with some extra powers.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ju0qLYwO_Bs/Ty_y-3p2LvI/AAAAAAAAAD4/ZdZjeatCB3o/s1600/carwyn004.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="225" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ju0qLYwO_Bs/Ty_y-3p2LvI/AAAAAAAAAD4/ZdZjeatCB3o/s400/carwyn004.jpg" style="background-color: #e06666;" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: #e06666; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Another two months went by and then Carwyn Jones, leader of Welsh Labour and First Minister of Wales &lt;a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-13830334" target="_blank"&gt;told&lt;/a&gt; the BBC that he wanted Wales to have even more powers devolved to it. This was backed up in early 2012 by a You-Gov poll commisioned by &lt;a href="http://itvwalesblog.com/2012/02/02/the-first-itv-walesyougov-poll-in-2012/" target="_blank"&gt;ITV&lt;/a&gt; that showed that more people had a desire either for more powers or full independence than those that wanted less powers or no devolution at all.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uUmyTCJ46YQ/Ty_0CL317fI/AAAAAAAAAEA/Fl4PUZM2Gag/s1600/jonedwards001.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="225" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uUmyTCJ46YQ/Ty_0CL317fI/AAAAAAAAAEA/Fl4PUZM2Gag/s400/jonedwards001.jpg" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: #6aa84f;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Now here's where it gets tricky. On January 31st 2012 Jonathon Edwards MP (Plaid Cymru) raised a bill in the house of commons for energy generation powers to be devolved to the Welsh Government.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Bill would also mean the people of Wales gaining control over the  &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Estate" target="_blank"&gt;Crown Estates&lt;/a&gt; in Wales.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Full speech &lt;a href="http://www.jonathanedwards.org.uk/speech-energy-generation-powers-wales-bill?lang=en" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, iPlayer &lt;a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01cf601" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;In case you nodded off earlier, this is what Carwyn Jones was banging on about when he said he wanted more powers devolved. And more powers devolved is exactly what the Welsh voters want.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;The bill was defeated &lt;a href="http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.php?date=2012-01-31&amp;amp;number=445&amp;amp;display=allvotes&amp;amp;sort=party" target="_blank"&gt;239 - 44&lt;/a&gt;. 44 isn't a bad showing you might think, Wales has 40 MPs so even if all of them voted yes then that means at least 4 non Welsh MPs voted yes.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;And here is the point in the movie when the penny is about to drop and the audience will realise what is going on and that nothing is as straight forward as they thought. This is where your average Welsh voter should begin to doubt whether just turning up and putting a cross next to Welsh Labour or UK Labour is really the best thing to do.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;All Welsh MPs didn't vote yes, not all of them bothered to turn up.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;In fact here is a list of all the UK MPs that voted yes.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ol style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Peter Bottomley&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Worthing West&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Con&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Zac Goldsmith&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Richmond Park&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Con&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Andrew Percy&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Brigg and Goole&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Con&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Henry Smith&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Crawley&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Con&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Nigel Dodds&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Belfast North&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; DUP&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;William McCrea&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; South Antrim&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; DUP&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;David Simpson&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Upper Bann&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; DUP&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Paul Flynn&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Newport West&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Lab&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Jonathan Edwards&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Carmarthen East and Dinefwr&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; PC&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Elfyn Llwyd&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Dwyfor Meirionnydd&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; PC&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Hywel Williams&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Arfon&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; PC&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Mark Durkan&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Foyle&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; SDLP&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Angus MacNeil&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Na h-Eileanan an Iar&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; SNP&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Angus Robertson&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Moray&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; SNP&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Alan Beith&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Berwick-upon-Tweed&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Tom Brake&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Carshalton and Wallington&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Annette Brooke&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Mid Dorset and North Poole&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Malcolm Bruce&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Gordon&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Michael Crockart&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Edinburgh West&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Tim Farron&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Westmorland and Lonsdale&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Don Foster&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Bath&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Andrew George&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; St Ives&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Stephen Gilbert&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; St Austell and Newquay&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Mike Hancock&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Portsmouth South&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;John Hemming&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Birmingham, Yardley&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Martin Horwood&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Cheltenham&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Simon Hughes&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Bermondsey and Old Southwark&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Julian Huppert&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Cambridge&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;John Leech&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Manchester, Withington&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Stephen Lloyd&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Eastbourne&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Tessa Munt&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Wells&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;John Pugh&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Southport&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Alan Reid&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Argyll and Bute&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Dan Rogerson&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; North Cornwall&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Bob Russell&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Colchester&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Adrian Sanders&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Torbay&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Robert Smith&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Ian Swales&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Redcar&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;John Thurso&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;David Ward&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Bradford East&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Mark Williams&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Ceredigion&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Roger Williams&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Brecon and Radnorshire&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Stephen Williams&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Bristol West&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;Jennifer Willott&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Cardiff Central&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LDem&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; aye&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ol style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qDuW6FdwlWo/Ty_7kweq3GI/AAAAAAAAAEI/kisGGhjeD_Y/s1600/graph001.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img ;"="" border="0" height="256" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qDuW6FdwlWo/Ty_7kweq3GI/AAAAAAAAAEI/kisGGhjeD_Y/s320/graph001.png" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;There are 26 Labour MPs that represent Welsh constituencies. Only &lt;a href="http://www.paulflynnmp.co.uk/" target="_blank"&gt;Paul Flynn MP&lt;/a&gt; voted yes, the others either voted no or couldn't be bothered to turn up.&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;There's a complete list &lt;a href="http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.php?date=2012-01-31&amp;amp;number=445&amp;amp;display=allvotes&amp;amp;sort=party" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;I hope I have shown there is a distinct difference between the policies and attitudes towards Wales from both Welsh Labour and UK Labour MPs that just so happen to represent Welsh constituencies. The people of Wales can no longer blindly put a cross in the box next to Labour no matter which election it is. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-size: large;"&gt;If you are not happy with your MP then ask them why they are betraying Wales in this way. These people must realise they are accountable to us. I'll hand you over to Jonathon to finish the article off. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;The minimum number of MEPs that each member state has is 6. Remember Wales is a region so it has as many MEPs as Westminster allows it to have, even then they are still representing interests of the UK first and Wales second.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Malta has 400,000 people and are represented in the EU by 6 MEPs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Luxembourg has 500,000 people and are represented in the EU by 6 MEPs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; Cyprus has 800,000 people and are represented in the EU by 6 MEPs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Estonia has 1.3 million people and are represented in the EU by 6 MEPs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Slovenia has 2 million people and are represented in the EU by 7 MEPs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; Latvia has 2.2 million people and are represented in the EU by 8 MEPs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Wales has 3 million people and as a region of the UK it has 4 MEPs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Lithuania has 3.3 million people and are represented in the EU by 12 MEPs&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;OK so here we have a graph showing the countries (and region) listed above. The graph clearly shows the countries increasing in population.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-n-tvuq-SqLg/Tyu--VNbmTI/AAAAAAAAACo/5H1V6N5RRbY/s1600/graph+-+MEPs.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-n-tvuq-SqLg/Tyu--VNbmTI/AAAAAAAAACo/5H1V6N5RRbY/s320/graph+-+MEPs.png" width="299" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Now when we take those same countries (and region) and compare the number of MEPs each one has you see one sticks out like a sore thumb.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;It's quite clear that an independent Wales would have somewhere between 8 and 12 MEPs. (or 1-1.5% of the total MEPs)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;So that's either double or treble what we currently have. And not only would we have far more MEPs fighting our corner in the EU. They would also be representing only Wales and not the interests of the UK. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;I've created this basic video to make it easier and quicker to share with the masses.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Facts and figures can be checked &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_state_of_the_European_Union" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks to &lt;a href="http://youtu.be/_1KuuMQEKlE" target="_blank"&gt;bcnsco&lt;/a&gt; for the idea behind this video and article, if only mine was half as funky as his Lord Rockingham / Lego video.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;This wont be another "heavy political blog", there are some really good ones out there that I will include links to, and from time to time will share the links via the &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/welshnotbritish" target="_blank"&gt;facebook page&lt;/a&gt; and on &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/#%21/welshnotbritish" target="_blank"&gt;twitter&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;Currently the Welsh nationalist blogs cater to the already converted. The apathetic masses need to be roped in. By using social networking such as facebook, twitter and youtube to easily share small bite sized pieces of information I hope to do that.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;"&gt;These bite size pieces can then be backed up by more in depth articles on this blogger site.&lt;br /&gt;
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