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		<title>The Historical Reliability of the New Testament: Second Edition</title>
		<link>http://www.whyfaith.com/2009/06/14/the-historical-reliability-of-the-new-testament-second-edition/</link>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just wanted to note that tonight I finally completed my updates &#38; additions on my free eBook, titled The Historical Reliability of the New Testament. It is still a work in progress, but having completed the one new chapter and the epilogue, I figured I&#8217;d release it again and dub it &#8220;Second Edition&#8221; since this [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.whyfaith.com/the-historical-reliability-of-the-new-testament/" ><img style="padding:0 0 5px 15px;" src="http://www.whyfaith.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/ebook-cover-thumbnail.jpg" alt="The Historical Reliability of the New Testament eBook" width="166" height="216" align="right" /></a>Just wanted to note that tonight I finally completed my updates &amp; additions on my free eBook, titled <a href="http://www.whyfaith.com/the-historical-reliability-of-the-new-testament/" >The Historical Reliability of the New Testament</a>. It is still a work in progress, but having completed the one new chapter and the epilogue, I figured I&#8217;d release it again and dub it &#8220;Second Edition&#8221; since this is a fairly major update.</p>
<p>So, <a href="http://www.whyfaith.com/the-historical-reliability-of-the-new-testament/" >download it now</a>! <img src='http://www.whyfaith.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Atheism as a default position</title>
		<link>http://www.whyfaith.com/2009/04/13/atheism-as-a-default-position/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 06:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve seen it claimed, in discussions regarding differing worldviews, that atheism itself is a worldview, or even that strong (or &#8220;militant&#8221;) atheism is a religion. (For the record, I would not consider atheism a religion, though I would consider it a worldview.)
A response that I&#8217;ve seen is that atheism is not a worldview because it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen it claimed, in discussions regarding differing worldviews, that atheism itself is a worldview, or even that strong (or &#8220;militant&#8221;) atheism is a religion. (For the record, I would not consider atheism a religion, though I would consider it a worldview.)</p>
<p>A response that I&#8217;ve seen is that atheism is not a worldview because it is not a belief, rather it is merely a &#8220;default position&#8221;. The rationale given sometimes compares belief in God to unicorns or some other such mythical animal, in the sense that unbelief in such things (or anything, really) is the default until convinced (or proven) otherwise.</p>
<p>While I can certainly see the reasonableness of this line of thinking and its <em>general</em> applicability, I wonder if it applies equally well to the question of God. There&#8217;s at least two reasons to think in this <em>specific</em> case things might be different. First, the vast majority of people throughout history have believed God (or gods) exist(s), a phenomenon which remains the case today. Should a belief be regarded as a default position when the majority believe the opposite?</p>
<p>And secondly, related to the above, if Richard Dawkins and those who agree with him are correct that human beings have evolved a natural proclivity towards belief in God(s) as some sort of survival/social assistance mechanism, should not belief in God be considered the default position, since we are supposedly &#8220;hard-wired&#8221; for such belief? Shouldn&#8217;t such naturally impelled belief be considered the default? Although I would agree with Dawkins that human beings seem to have an innate proclivity towards belief in God, I would suggest that there is different reason why so many people seem to have an <a href="http://www.leaderu.com/truth/3truth05.html" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.leaderu.com');">innate awareness of God</a>.</p>
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		<title>Bart Ehrman vs Stephen Colbert</title>
		<link>http://www.whyfaith.com/2009/04/11/bart-ehrman-vs-stephen-colbert/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See Stephen Colbert dialogue with Bart Ehrman about Ehrman&#8217;s &#8220;new&#8221; book, Jesus Interrupted. (Click here instead if you&#8217;re in Canada.) It&#8217;s a pretty funny interview, as is usual for Mr Colbert. Although Colbert plays a character on his show, in real life he is a practicing Catholic and Sunday School teacher, so it&#8217;s not too [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style="border:#ccc solid 1px;margin:0 0 5px 10px;padding:3px;" title="ehrmancolbert" src="http://www.whyfaith.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ehrmancolbert.jpg" border="0" alt="ehrmancolbert" width="353" height="200" align="right" />See <a href="http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/224128/april-09-2009/bart-ehrman" target="_blank" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.colbertnation.com');">Stephen Colbert dialogue with Bart Ehrman about Ehrman&#8217;s &#8220;new&#8221; book, Jesus Interrupted</a>. (<a href="http://watch.thecomedynetwork.ca/the-colbert-report/full-episodes/april-9-2009/#clip159897" target="_blank" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/watch.thecomedynetwork.ca');">Click here instead if you&#8217;re in Canada</a>.) It&#8217;s a pretty funny interview, as is usual for Mr Colbert. Although Colbert plays a character on his show, in real life he is a practicing Catholic and Sunday School teacher, so it&#8217;s not too surprising that he would want to invite Ehrman on his show to give him an intellectual leg-drop. He actually does make some valid points against Mr Ehrman, who clearly isn&#8217;t prepared for such a sarcastic assault.</p>
<p>One of Ehrman&#8217;s main points goes unchallenged on the show, however. That being that the earliest Christians didn&#8217;t think Jesus was divine. Ehrman&#8217;s argument seems to be that even though Jesus is clearly portrayed as being divine in the Gospel of John (which he admits), in the (ostensibly earlier) synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, &amp; Luke) he is not portrayed as being God. So, Ehrman is saying, since the synoptics are earlier and don&#8217;t portray Jesus as God, John can be dismissed as a later invention (or evolution) of the Jesus story.</p>
<p>At the outset, this black-and-white distinction is false, since reading the synoptics should not result in anyone thinking that the authors intended to portray Jesus as &#8220;just a guy&#8221;. Even if someone wants to claim Jesus is not divine in the synoptics, it would be ridiculous to say that Jesus is not seen as being utterly unique and far above and beyond all other people who have ever lived.</p>
<p>But when Ehrman&#8217;s claim that Jesus&#8217; divinity is absent from the synoptic gospels is studied more carefully, there are at least two huge problems. First, I think it&#8217;s false that Jesus&#8217; divinity is not found in the synoptics. There are in fact <a href="http://www.christiancadre.org/member_contrib/cp_jewishmon.html" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.christiancadre.org');">many ways the authors speak of Jesus&#8217; divinity in the synoptics</a>. I&#8217;ve explained one of these ways in depth in my post &#8220;<a href="http://www.whyfaith.com/2007/07/05/jesus-never-claimed-to-be-god/" >Jesus Never Claimed to be God?</a>&#8220;. I think we can see in the early synoptic gospel writings how the authors are struggling to comprehend this god-man, this real human being who lived and ate and walked with them, but who at the same time was nevertheless &#8220;God in the flesh&#8221;. (See also <a href="http://www.christian-thinktank.com/trin03b.html" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.christian-thinktank.com');">Glenn Miller</a> on the subject of Jesus&#8217; self-understanding in the synoptics.)</p>
<p>The second problem is that the synoptic gospels are not the earliest documents in the New Testament. The earliest documents are generally agreed to be Paul&#8217;s letters, which contain some of the strongest statements of Jesus&#8217; divinity, such as Colossians 2:9: <em>&#8220;For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form&#8221;</em> and Philippians 2:5-7: <em>&#8220;Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.&#8221;</em> Therefore, going by Ehrman&#8217;s method, since Paul&#8217;s writings are earlier than the synoptics, the should be trusted instead, and these statements regarding Jesus&#8217; divinity should be believed ahead of the later synoptic gospels&#8217; descriptions.</p>
<p>A featured article series currently on <a href="http://thelife.com" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/thelife.com');">TheLife.com</a>, written by Canadian philosopher Michael Horner, investigates Jesus&#8217; resurrection as final proof of Jesus&#8217; divinity; ie, that not only did Jesus claim to be divine, but that the resurrection validated His claim. Please take a moment today to read &#8220;<a href="http://thelife.com/discover/faith/jesusrose1/" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/thelife.com');">Did Jesus Really Rise from the Dead?</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, and <strong>happy Easter</strong>! Because of Christ&#8217;s death and resurrection, it is truly the greatest and happiest of all holidays.</p>
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		<title>Shadow/Savior of the day?</title>
		<link>http://www.whyfaith.com/2009/04/03/shadowsavior-of-the-day/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Was just listening to the song Shadow of the Day by Linkin Park, and noticed how easily the lyrics could be turned from a depressing song about darkness to an encouraging song speaking of a deeper truth:



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And the sun will set for you
And the Son was sent for you


The sun will set for you
The [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was just listening to the song <a href="http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Shadow-Of-The-Day-lyrics-Linkin-Park/3B17281716808244482572D500149DEC" target="_blank" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.sing365.com');"><em>Shadow of the Day</em></a> by Linkin Park, and noticed how easily the lyrics could be turned from a depressing song about darkness to an encouraging song speaking of a deeper truth:</p>
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<td>And the Savior of the day</td>
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<td>Will embrace the world in grace</td>
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<td>And the sun will set for you</td>
<td>And the Son was sent for you</td>
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<p><a href="http://www.whyfaith.com/jesus-christ/" >Who is this &#8220;Son&#8221;, &#8220;Savior&#8221;, &#8220;Jesus&#8221; anyways?</a></p>
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		<title>Hypothetical conversation on the “Who made God?” question</title>
		<link>http://www.whyfaith.com/2009/04/01/hypothetical-conversation-on-the-who-made-god-question/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After my recent post re Peter Kreeft&#8217;s thoughts on &#8220;Who made God?&#8221; I&#8217;ve seen that same question come up in several places during my random web wanderings. As I was thinking about this question today in the shower (where all great philosophical thought occurs) I imagined a conversation like the following &#8230; hopefully this isn&#8217;t [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style="magin:0 0 5px 15px;border:1px solid #ccc;padding:3px;" title="Faith" src="http://www.whyfaith.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/faithgeneric.gif" alt="Faith" width="160" height="103" align="right" />After my recent post re <a href="http://www.whyfaith.com/2009/03/20/kreeft-on-who-made-god/" >Peter Kreeft&#8217;s thoughts on &#8220;Who made God?&#8221;</a> I&#8217;ve seen that same question come up in several places during my random web wanderings. As I was thinking about this question today in the shower (where all great philosophical thought occurs) I imagined a conversation like the following &#8230; hopefully this isn&#8217;t too contrived and doesn&#8217;t caricature the two imagined persons involved too much:</p>
<p><strong>Christian</strong>:  The <a href="http://www.whyfaith.com/2006/09/16/the-cosmological-argument/" >cosmological argument</a> is strong evidence that God exists. If the universe was made, it needs a maker; if it was created, it needs a creator. That creator is God.</p>
<p><strong>Skeptic</strong>:  Ah, but this merely raises the question &#8220;Who made God?&#8221; which Richard Dawkins himself asks in <em>The God Delusion</em>.<sup>*</sup> It just pushes the question back one step further.</p>
<p><strong>Christian</strong>:  This seems to me to be a category error; it confuses the uncreated creator with His created creation. God doesn&#8217;t need a maker because God was never made; He was and is eternally existing.</p>
<p><strong>Skeptic</strong>:  That&#8217;s special pleading at best, hypocritical at worst. Why is it okay for God to be &#8220;eternal, uncreated&#8221; but not the universe?</p>
<p><strong>Christian</strong>:  Because we have good reasons, both <a href="http://www.whyfaith.com/2006/09/16/the-cosmological-argument/" >philosophical and scientific</a>, that the universe is not eternal, whereas no such reasons exist to believe that God is so. God is not subject to the same limitations of the material world He created. The cosmological argument proposes not that <em>everything</em> requires a cause, but <em>whatever begins to exist</em> requires a cause; if God did not begin to exist (since there is no reason to believe He did, unlike the universe) He requires no cause.</p>
<p><strong>Skeptic</strong>:  Even if we agree that the universe is not eternal, why must its cause be God? Why not some other explanation?</p>
<p><strong>Christian</strong>:  Whatever created both time and space must transcend both time and space. Also, there are <a href="http://www.whyfaith.com/2006/11/11/what-about-natural-theology/" >numerous other attributes</a> which can be discerned about whatever created the universe that imply a personal entity (that is, it possesses volition among other things). So the creator of the universe is an entity which is beyond time and space yet still possesses certain attributes and is personal. This sounds to me a lot like God.</p>
<p><span style="font-size:smaller;">* In <em>The God Delusion</em> Dawkins is attempting to apply the question as a defeater to the design argument (p.109), not the cosmological argument (which Dawkins shockingly dismisses in less than a page). I&#8217;ve personally heard it applied more often to the cosmological argument, at least in the realm of Internet banter.</span></p>
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		<title>Kreeft on “Who made God?”</title>
		<link>http://www.whyfaith.com/2009/03/20/kreeft-on-who-made-god/</link>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was surprised when, in The God Delusion, Richard Dawkins dismisses the Cosmological Argument by asking the title question: &#8220;Who made God?&#8221; Here&#8217;s how Peter Kreeft briefly responds to the question:
The question &#8220;If God made everything, who made God?&#8221; is like asking &#8220;Who made circles square?&#8221; It assumes a self-contradiction: that an uncreated Creator is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style="margin:0 0 5px 15px;border:1px solid #ccc;padding:3px;" title="clouds.gif" src="http://www.whyfaith.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/clouds.gif" alt="clouds.gif" width="160" height="120" align="right" />I was surprised when, in <em>The God Delusion</em>, Richard Dawkins dismisses the Cosmological Argument by asking the title question: <em>&#8220;Who made God?&#8221;</em> Here&#8217;s how Peter Kreeft briefly responds to the question:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">The question &#8220;If God made everything, who made God?&#8221; is like asking &#8220;Who made circles square?&#8221; It assumes a self-contradiction: that an uncreated Creator is a created creature. It extends the law about changing things -that every change needs a cause- beyond its limits, to the unchanging Source of change. God does not need a cause, or a maker, because he is not made or changed. He changes other things, but is not himself changed by anything. There is nothing that comes to be in him, nothing that needs a cause for its coming-into-being. (Peter Kreeft, <em>Handbook of Christian Apologetics</em>, 105)</p>
<p>So essentially, <a href="http://www.peterkreeft.com/home.htm" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.peterkreeft.com');">Kreeft</a> suggests that the question commits a category error; it overextends the general law that &#8220;things that exist require a maker&#8221; from the physical, created world, to the non-physical uncreated God.</p>
<p>A further question that may arise: <em>&#8220;If God can be &#8216;uncreated &amp; unchanging&#8217;, why not the universe too?&#8221;</em> The answer would be that we have good reasons to believe that the universe is not eternal, as per the <a href="http://www.whyfaith.com/2006/09/16/the-cosmological-argument/" >Cosmological Argument</a> (including at least scientific and philosophical reasons), while no such restrictions would apply to God.</p>
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		<title>Religious people do bad things. So?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s no secret that &#8220;religious people&#8221; have, over the last several thousand years, done a lot of bad things. And they continue to do a lot of bad things today. I touched on this issue previously in a post titled &#8220;Christians do bad things, where I started off by saying: &#8220;I’d like to begin this [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style="margin:0 0 5px 15px;border:1px solid #ccc;padding:3px;" title="homerbart" src="http://www.whyfaith.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/homerbart.gif" alt="homerbart" width="96" height="96" align="right" />It&#8217;s no secret that &#8220;religious people&#8221; have, over the last several thousand years, done a lot of bad things. And they continue to do a lot of bad things today. I touched on this issue previously in a post titled &#8220;<a href="http://www.whyfaith.com/2007/08/01/christians-do-bad-things/" >Christians do bad things</a>, where I started off by saying: <em>&#8220;I’d like to begin this short post with an apology: I’d like to apologize on behalf of Christians who have, throughout history, done some pretty rotten things supposedly in the name of Jesus Christ.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>While it is indeed lamentable that such things occur, what does this prove about whether the Christian faith is true or not?</p>
<p>I was thinking about this yesterday while spending some time with a friend who is very distrustful of &#8220;organized religion&#8221;. I don&#8217;t know the exact reasons for this distrust, but perhaps it&#8217;s because my friend has been exposed to many stories of religious abuse, scandal, and charlatanry. But while this may prove something about humankind, it proves nothing about God.</p>
<p>While I was walking to the mall today (in the brisk -16C Toronto weather) I thought &#8230; &#8220;<strong>Just because people cause problems, does that mean that God is not great?</strong>&#8221; The latter doesn&#8217;t follow from the former.</p>
<p>The latter (&#8221;God is not great&#8221;) also happens to be the title of <a href="http://www.whyfaith.com/2007/08/10/god-is-not-great/" >a book by Christopher Hitchens</a>, who in my humble opinion is a skilled orator and rhetorician but not necessarily a precise thinker or researcher of facts, which will make his <a href="http://apologetics315.blogspot.com/2009/01/christopher-hitchens-vs-william-lane.html" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/apologetics315.blogspot.com');">upcoming debate with William Lane Craig</a> very interesting. I hope that Craig realizes this debate will be much different than <a href="http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/rfforum/vpost?id=2703927" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.websitetoolbox.com');">his usual debates against his philosopher peers</a>.</p>
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		<title>Come Home Running</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I first heard this song, I cried. And when I heard it again at our Sunday service today, I cried again. It&#8217;s hard for me to believe that less than 10 years ago I had no idea who Jesus is and what God did for me &#8230; and you. I was, and am, as [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first heard this song, I cried. And when I heard it again at our Sunday service today, I cried again. It&#8217;s hard for me to believe that less than 10 years ago I had no idea who Jesus is and what God did for me &#8230; and you. I was, and am, as C. S. Lewis said, surprised by hope.</p>
<p>This song (and fan-made video/lyrical accompaniment) to me communicates the pure joy of knowing God, and coming home to Him. I pray that if you don&#8217;t know this joy, that you would earnestly seek it. And if you do, just watch and recommit your life to God.</p>
<p><object width="480" height="385" data="http://www.youtube.com/v/hN-VG1uvNj4&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;rel=0&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><param name="src" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/hN-VG1uvNj4&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;rel=0&amp;color1=0x2b405b&amp;color2=0x6b8ab6" /><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /></object></p>
<p>If you&#8217;re wondering &#8220;<a href="http://www.whyfaith.com/jesus-christ/" >Who is this Jesus who brings such joy?</a>&#8220;, please click to find out.</p>
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		<title>Who was Jesus? Liar? Lunatic? Lord? Legend?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[As some of you may know I work part-time with an organization called Power to Change, which attempts to help people change their lives by realizing the transforming power of knowing Jesus Christ. Today it was brought to my attention that one of the many links to PowerToChange.com includes a blog post titled &#8220;&#8220;Lord, Liar, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style="margin:0 0 5px 15px;border:1px solid #ccc;padding:3px;" title="Doubting Thomas" src="http://www.whyfaith.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/doubtingthomas.jpg" alt="Doubting Thomas" width="200" height="158" align="right" />As some of you may know I work part-time with an organization called <a href="http://www.powertochange.org" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.powertochange.org');">Power to Change</a>, which attempts to help people change their lives by realizing the transforming power of knowing Jesus Christ. Today it was brought to my attention that one of the many links to <a href="http://www.powertochange.com" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.powertochange.com');">PowerToChange.com</a> includes a blog post titled &#8220;<a href="http://madmansparadise.blogspot.com/2009/01/lord-liar-or-lunatic-or-i-dunno.html" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/madmansparadise.blogspot.com');">&#8220;Lord, Liar, or Lunatic&#8221;? Or, I dunno, something in between.</a>&#8221; I disagree with several points made in that post, and it gives me an opportunity to discuss Lewis&#8217; famous argument, which I think was left somewhat undeveloped in its original form but can be redeemed.</p>
<p>The basics of Lewis&#8217; &#8220;Trilemma&#8221; argument can be found at the following Wikipedia entry: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis%27s_trilemma" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/en.wikipedia.org');">Lewis&#8217; Trilemma Argument</a>. Unfortunately, it is only quoted in part, and reading the full chapter from Mere Christianity (<a href="http://www.philosophyforlife.com/mctoc.htm" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.philosophyforlife.com');">full text here</a>, see <a href="http://www.philosophyforlife.com/mc08.htm" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.philosophyforlife.com');">chapter 8</a>) and the preceding material in the book might make things clearer. Nevertheless &#8230;</p>
<p>The Wikipedia entry describes the trilemma as below &#8230; Asylum Seeker, the author of the blog post linked above, takes issue with every part of the argument. (Hereafter I&#8217;ll refer to Asylum Seeker as &#8220;Asylum&#8221;, since his real name is not given; and although I am unsure of their gender I will refer to Asylum as &#8220;he&#8221; for the sake of ease.):</p>
<p>(<strong>P</strong>) Jesus claimed to be God.<br />
(<strong>Q</strong>) One of the following must be true.<br />
1. Lunatic: Jesus was not God, but he believed that he was.<br />
2. Liar: Jesus was not God, and he knew it, but he said so anyway.<br />
3. Lord: Jesus is God.<br />
<em>From these premises it follows logically that,</em><br />
(<strong>C</strong>) If not God, Jesus is either not great or not moral.</p>
<p>I have edited (<strong>Q</strong>)1) to remove the word &#8220;mistakenly&#8221; since, as I explain later and Lewis himself made clear, Jesus&#8217; claim is not the sort of thing a person can make an &#8220;oopsie&#8221; about.</p>
<p>Re (<strong>P</strong>), Asylum claims that &#8220;that Jesus did not necessarily refer to himself as the &#8220;Son of God&#8221; and he was only claimed to be after the fact by followers&#8221; and later claims that &#8220;As mentioned above, Premise P is suspect&#8221;. However, no reason is presented for denying that Jesus thought of Himself as God. Even if Jesus never referred to Himself as &#8220;Son of God&#8221;, the name &#8220;Son of Man&#8221; still carried similar connotations for his first century listeners. The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis%27s_trilemma" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/en.wikipedia.org');">Wikipedia article</a> contains several suggested reasons that might be given for concluding Jesus didn&#8217;t consider Himself to be divine, but also presents equally forceful reasons (I would say, better) for believing Jesus did in fact claim to be God. See for example Glenn Miller&#8217;s <a href="http://www.christian-thinktank.com/trin03f.html" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.christian-thinktank.com');">summary</a> or more comprehensive articles (on <a href="http://www.christian-thinktank.com/trin03b.html" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.christian-thinktank.com');">the synoptics</a> and <a href="http://www.christian-thinktank.com/trin03c.html" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.christian-thinktank.com');">John</a>) on the subject. If we take the biblical texts seriously, I don&#8217;t see how a case could be made that Jesus considered himself to be anything less than divine.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s <em>IF</em> we take the biblical texts seriously, of course. What if, however, as several commenters to Asylum&#8217;s original post suggest, that we should not take the biblical text seriously because they are not trustworthy? This is a more popular was of avoiding the conclusion (<strong>C</strong>) of Lewis&#8217; argument: By positing a fourth way, a fourth &#8220;L&#8221;, namely Legend. Asylum suggests early in his post that &#8220;Jesus could be fictional [and/or] the Gospel could be inaccurate&#8221;.</p>
<p>Regarding Jesus being fictional (ie the &#8220;Jesus never existed&#8221; hypothesis) this hypothesis is dismissed by nearly all serious scholars on the subject, G. A. Wells being the main notable exception. For more details on this topic, see Dr Gary Habermas&#8217; article commenting directly upon Wells&#8217; hypothesis <a href="http://www.garyhabermas.com/articles/crj_summarycritique/crj_summarycritique.htm" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.garyhabermas.com');">A Summary Critique: Questioning the Existence of Jesus</a>, or a more general article <a href="http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/jesusexisthub.html" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.tektonics.org');">Christ Myth Refuted</a>. Whether the New Testament is accurate, however, is more open for debate. This is certainly a worthy objection to Lewis&#8217; original argument. Of course, Lewis was operating under the assumption that the New Testament is trustworthy. If that assumption is removed, it must be argued for, as I believe I have done in my free ebook on this subject, <a href="http://www.whyfaith.com/nt/" >The Historical Reliability of the New Testament</a>. I encourage you to download a copy and check it out.</p>
<p>There are, in fact, good reasons to believe the New Testament is trustworthy; especially in contrast to some of the other works commonly mentioned by skeptics of the New Testament such as non-canonical documents written in the second century AD and later. In the comments section of Asylum&#8217;s post one of the commenters Richelle says &#8220;it would have been nice to know what all the other stories of jesus were before they all got destroyed by the church once they decided jesus was going down in history as a superhuman.&#8221; Here she is referring to another commenter&#8217;s mention of the Council of Nicaea. Of course, the Council of Nicaea did not discuss which books would be included in the New Testament at all, and we have plenty of information about what the earliest Christians thought about Jesus, first from the New Testament documents themselves, and then from the early Christian letters (some from the first century). <a href="http://www.div.ed.ac.uk/larryhurtado" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.div.ed.ac.uk');">Larry Hurtado</a>&#8217;s recent book argues that in fact <em>&#8220;perhaps within only a few days or weeks of his crucifixion, Jesus&#8217; followers were circulating the astonishing claim that God had raised him from death and had installed him in heavenly glory as Messiah and the appointed vehicle of redemption.&#8221; </em>So such ideas are hardly inventions by a church council in the 4th century!</p>
<p>Even if we accepted for the sake of argument that the New Testament is generally <em>untrustworthy</em> and contains numerous errors, Jesus&#8217; divinity is proclaimed or assumed throughout, so it still would be difficult to escape the conclusion that the authors believed Jesus claimed to be God unless we were to discount the entirety of the New Testament as being totally and utterly untrustworthy; as even most ardent skeptics won&#8217;t do, for good reason.</p>
<p>This leads us to (<strong>Q</strong>)1): &#8220;Lunatic: Jesus was not God, but he mistakenly believed that he was.&#8221; This is a major point of contention for Asylum, who says: &#8220;A &#8220;lunatic&#8221; is hardly crazy about everything. People who have such a delusion can still have insight.&#8221; This is true. A person may be perfectly sane in one regard, and completely delusional in another regard.</p>
<p>Yet think for a moment what you might say if someone you know, let&#8217;s call him Joe, claimed to be God. Not just for a laugh, but seriously and continuously. He seemed normal in certain other respects (he was able to dress himself and engage in normal social conventions) yet he claimed he was in fact God. Now what if a group of people got sick of Joe&#8217;s ranting and decided they&#8217;d kidnap him and, if he didn&#8217;t stop with this God nonsense, that they would kill him in the most painful way imaginable. What would you say about him if he steadfastly refused to recant and was killed in the most excruciating manner for his claims? I, personally, would not call him sane. Would you?</p>
<p>When Lewis wryly remarks that <em>&#8220;A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic-on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg&#8211;or else he would be the Devil of Hell&#8221;</em> he is saying, with his &#8216;poached egg&#8217; remark, that Jesus&#8217; self-claims are not trivial, they are entirely foundational. A person calling themselves God is either true, or, if false, akin with claiming to be a poached egg! This is not the sort of thing a person could make an &#8220;oopsie&#8221; about and we would still call &#8220;sane&#8221;.</p>
<p>Asylum notes in the comments that he is &#8220;not sure if Jesus&#8217;s behavior is inconsistent&#8221; with Schizophrenia, though he is careful to note he does not think it <em>is</em> per se. It&#8217;s worth noting that to be able to suggest that Jesus was Schizophrenic, a person would have to get their information from &#8230; the New Testament, so they must be claiming that it is essentially reliable. You can&#8217;t have your cake and eat it too. But is there evidence within the New Testament that Jesus had some kinda of mental illness? In fact there doesn&#8217;t seem to be anything about Jesus&#8217; behavior which suggests mental illness, let alone Schizophrenia. (Compare for example with what is know about Muhammad, where, while far from conclusive, there are at least suggestions that he <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Muhammad#Psychological_and_medical_condition" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/en.wikipedia.org');">suffered from epilepsy or a similar mental illness</a>.)</p>
<p>Gary R. Collins, PhD in psychology from Purdue University, concludes that <em>&#8220;I don&#8217;t see any signs that Jesus was suffering from mental illness.&#8221;</em> Asylum&#8217;s point prior in his post is that a person may be sane in some areas of life and insane in others, but as noted above claiming to be God (and willing to be put to death for that conviction) is not the sort of claim that is distinct from a person being sane.</p>
<p>So, if we take the New Testament seriously and Jesus&#8217; words seriously when he claims to be God, and if Jesus shows no signs of mental illness, we are ruling out the Legend argument, (<strong>Q</strong>)1), the lunatic argument, and (<strong>Q</strong>)2) the liar argument. Are there other possible alternatives? Kreeft and Tacelli note at least one additional option in their book (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Christian-Apologetics-Hundreds-Questions/dp/0830817743/" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.amazon.com');">available here</a> BTW, with a much nicer cover than my copy has): Maybe Jesus didn&#8217;t mean he was <em>literally</em> God, maybe he was just being really <em>mystical</em> and symbolic. They call this the Guru objection. This is rejected, in part, because of the context in which Jesus spoke and lived: He was Jewish, and directed his own ministry primarily to the Jews, no doubt <em>because </em>they (perhaps unlike some of the non-Jewish people around) would not have understood his claims to be mystical. (Certainly those who committed Jesus to death for His perceived heresy did not see the claims as being mystical!) For more on the &#8220;mythical Jesus&#8221; see for example here: <a href="http://www.christiananswersforthenewage.org/Articles_ChoprasThirdJesus.html" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.christiananswersforthenewage.org');">The Persistent New Age Jesus</a> (and other articles on the <a href="http://www.christiananswersforthenewage.org/" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.christiananswersforthenewage.org');">CAFA</a> site).</p>
<p>All that said, I don&#8217;t see Lewis&#8217; argument as an iron-clad proof that Jesus was who he said he was. It is, I think, a more powerful argument than Lewis is given credit for, especially since he was not a philosopher by trade. And the version put forth by Kreeft and Tacelli is I think a definite improvement (expansion) of Lewis&#8217; original. But it is not airtight by any means. When I first read of it, before I was a Christian, I did not drop to my knees and become a Christian immediately afterward.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the point, then? It is one of several arguments that I believe suggest that Jesus, and the Gospel message, are actually true. No one will be convinced to become a Christian by rational arguments alone (because the nature of the trust of faith is not merely rational, but also volitional and emotional) but they may at least convince us that such ideas are worth thinking about.</p>
<p><strong>Related reading:</strong><br />
- A better article on one of our sites than the testimony linked by Asylum&#8217;s blog post: <a href="http://thelife.com/discover/faith/whowasjesus/" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/thelife.com');">Who did Jesus think He was anyways?</a><br />
- Peter Kreeft&#8217;s brief article on the topic on his website: <a href="http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/christ-divinity.htm" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.peterkreeft.com');">The Divinity of Christ</a><br />
- Stand to Reason: <a href="http://www.str.org" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.str.org');">Christianity worth thinking about</a></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[The following is an excerpt from one of the essays I wrote for the Biola Certificate in Christian Apologetics program, which I highly recommend. (I&#8217;m almost done now, just have to finish up part 3!)
The Moral Argument is an argument for the existence of God. This argument could be proposed like this:
#1 Objective moral laws [...]]]></description>
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<p>The Moral Argument is an argument for the existence of God. This argument could be proposed like this:</p>
<p><strong>#1 Objective moral laws exist.<br />
#2 A moral lawgiver, God, is the best explanation for the existence of objective moral laws.<br />
#3 Therefore God exists.</strong></p>
<p>An important distinction that should be made at the outset is that the argument does not claim that a person who does not believe in God cannot be moral, but instead claims that non-theistic explanations of morality can describe what is moral but cannot explain why it is moral. If this argument is true, a non-theist may still live a better life than a theist, but would not be able to explain how a moral obligation could exist merely by observing how things are.</p>
<p>Regarding premise #1, there can be only two possible options with regard to moral values: they are either objective or subjective. A synonym for subjective morality is moral relativism, and there are many serious problems with this view of morality. Besides the fact that  practically speaking, when pressed, few people honestly hold to true subjective morality , if there is no objective right and wrong, many concepts such as fairness, guilt, tolerance, altruism, and shame become meaningless.  There are many other serious logical and practical problems with relativism.  Therefore, almost no one accepts the idea that morality is relative.</p>
<p>Where then did moral absolutes (laws) come from? Premise #2 above posits that the best explanation for this source is God. Since these moral laws remain valid and true whether anyone believes in them or not, they could not come from evolution, social consensus, or personal preference. These laws are standards that exist independently of our own human existence and must have a source in something that exists outside of our material universe (since they are immaterial). This &#8220;something&#8221; is God, a personal being who provides both the nature upon which the laws are based and the volition through which they have been instituted.</p>
<p><strong>Further reading:</strong><br />
<em>Why can&#8217;t morality have just evolved?</em> - Read <a href="http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&amp;id=6221" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.str.org');">Monkey Morality</a> by Greg Koukl.<br />
<em>A longer discussion of the argument</em> - Read <a href="http://www.4truth.net/site/c.hiKXLbPNLrF/b.2832571/k.7E46/The_Moral_Argument_for_Gods_Existence.htm" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/article/www.4truth.net');">The Moral Argument for God&#8217;s Existence</a> by Paul Copan.</p>
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