Women's Health and Fertility

38 Year Old With One Fallopian Tube: Miscarriage With 2nd IVF

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:11:00 +0000

Question:

Hello Dr. Ramirez!

I am 38 and trying to conceive my 2nd child. I did 2 rounds of IVF at 35 and had a healthy daughter at age 36. We just went through another round of IVF and got pregnant, however it ended up in a miscarriage at 10 weeks. We can't afford another IVF so we're trying a few rounds of IUI with Clomid 100 mg. I'm now going for my second round.

My issues are stemmed from a ruptured appendix at 16 which left one of my fallopian tubes badly scarred. I did have a laparoscopy and had that one closed and my other one is totally open. In all the testing for my IVF, everything came back good..."for my age". My husband has a fantastic motility and count, so there's no issues there. My questions are:

1. My RE says that follicle growth is completely random and that they do not alternate sides every month. What are your thoughts on this? I hate to waste the time and money if the follicles grow on the bad side.

2. Have you seen much success with clomid/IUI at my age? Everything is totally normal with me and my husband. We eat good, (I was a smoker from 16-30 but haven't smoked in 8 years) and I rarely drink.

3. If this doesn't work, any suggestions on where to go from here?

BTW, I'm writing from Milwaukee! Thanks!

Answer:

Hello L. from the U.S. (Wisconsin),

First of all, it is wonderful that you were able to already have one child via IVF! This is encouraging.

1. Yes, your RE is correct that it does not alternate but is random. Also, your assumption that the side that it ovulates on is the side where it enters the tube is not correct. In fact, the ovary, being three dimensional, can have a follicle rupture at any part of its surface, even the side that is opposite where the tube is located. So how then does it get to the tube? Well, when the ovary ovulates the fluid surrounding the egg rushes out taking the egg with it and flow down-hill into a space called the culdesac. The culdesac is like a little bowl. The fluid collects here and then with simple fluid motion, it moves around. In normal anatomy, the end of the tube that picks up the egg, called the fimbria, is located in the culdesac, so it you are lucky, the egg contacts the fimbria of one tube and is brought into the tube (like an elevator) where it meets the sperm. This is why a woman who only has one tube on one side and one ovary on the opposite side can get pregnant.

2. Pregnancy rates at 38 years old are around 5% per cycle, which is not very good but it is not zero.The pregnancy rates are less with Clomid than IVF because you and your body still need to go through the 9 step process to achieve a pregnancy whereas with IVF, steps 1-7 are done by the IVF procedure and there is only two steps left to contend with.

3. Monterey, California :) I'm only kidding. You have already shown that IVF can work. The reason that you miscarried is because the embryo was probably abnormal, which is a risk that you have because of your egg. The goal is to eventually get a perfect egg that will give you a perfect and healthy baby. That is probably just a matter of time. The only alternative, which gives you a higher chance for pregnancy per cycle and less chance of a miscarriage, is using donor eggs. But you can do that at any age, so I would try again with IVF if you are not successful with your Clomid cycles, although I understand that finances are an issue. You don't have much time, though. If you do manage another IVF cycle and it fails, then you can always do donor eggs. I recently had a patient who tried IVF in her early 40's, miscarried then failed, and then gave up. At 55 she decided she wanted to try again and went with donor eggs. She now has a beautiful daughter. With donor eggs, your age is not a significant factor.

Good Luck,
Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
www.montereybayivf.com
Monterey, California, U.S.A

Third Failed IVF Cycle: New Protocol Needed? Compare SART Stats?

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:34:00 +0000

Question:

Dr. Ramirez,

I just had my 3rd failed IVF cycle and I'm looking for some guidance. A little history:

I am 31 have a short luteal phase but PIO and estrace seem to do the trick. Day 3 testing normal. My husband has low morphology.

My 1st IVF attempt I responded very well (long lupron) to low doses of meds. Stimmed for 7 days. They obtained 10 eggs and 9 fertilized with ICSI... all were very good quality on Day 3. Transfered 1 and 5 frozen on Day 3.

2nd IVF attempt- Antagonist Protocol- very slow to respond on highest doses of meds. Didnt have any measureable follicles until Day 10... stimmed for 15 days. Obtained 6 eggs and only 3 fertilized with ICSI. Transfered 2 embryos on day 3. Negative beta 10dp3dt and stopped meds. Discovered 2 weeks later that I was pregnant and miscarried.

3rd IVF attempt- back to Long Lupron- very slow to respond again on highest doses. Stimmed for 15 days- obtained 8 eggs- 4 fertilized and only 2 were viable on Day 3. Beta negative.

Questions:Any thoughts on why I would have such a different response from cycle #1? All 3 cycles were done in 2011.Would you suggest trying a different protocol? Do you think I may be a good canidate for Micro-Flare Protocol?In both 2nd and 3rd cycles my e2 level was 22 and 24 at suppression check compared to 59 in cycle 1. Any insight? Could this mean that I am oversuppressed? Also AFC was lower in past 2 cycles.How much time do you suggest in between fresh cycles?Any thoughts that you would be willing to share would be greatly appreciated. I am getting very discouraged and you have been so helpful in the past. Thank you, D. from Massachusetts

Answer:

Hello D. from the U.S.(Massachusettes),

It is difficult to critique protocols and I generally do not. There are many different ways to accomplish the same thing so any one particular protocol may not be better than another.I do not favor the long protocol, however, for two reasons. I think there is too much ovarian suppression at the beginning of the stimulation and you have to take many more injections. For that reason I use the antagonist protocol, which usually only required 2-3 injections. So, I would not go back to the long protocol. There is not question that the long protocol is the classic method, in fact, most REI's use this protocol because they are not familiar with the antagonist protocol.

In terms of your stimulation, there can be significant differences from one cycle to the next. For example, I have a patient who only produced one follicle in her first cycle with the maximum dosage of medication, yet in the second cycle, with a reduced protocol, she produced 8 follicles. This shows that each cycle is unique and the ovaries will respond differently. You don't mention of these cycles were done back to back i.e. consecutive months, but in general there should be a one month rest period between IVF cycles to allow the ovaries to recover. A stimulation of 12-14 days is not unusual and sometimes preferable. Sometimes a short stimulation phase leads to less quality eggs. Also keep in mind that you were successful in the second cycle, which means that you can be successful again. You have to be persistent. You are lucky that you are in an insurance mandated State for IVF.

I would strongly recommend against the Micro-flare protocol. This has been shown to not be of any benefit.Finally, there are other reasons for failure of an IVF cycle. You are young and had good embryos to transfer. So maybe it was something else? Implantation failure can occur if the transfer technique is not good by the Physician, as an example. Or you may need some additional meds to reduce your immune response or increase blood flow. There are differences between IVF clinics/centers. We are not all the same and therefore pregnancy rates differ.

Follow-Up Question #1:

Thank you so much for your thorough response. I have a few more follow up questions if you do not mind...What are your thoughts on the Estrogen Priming Protocol? Do you usually use a FH and FSH while stimming? I have read that adding Menopur in too soon can effect egg quality. The article that I read suggested adding it in after 4-5 days of stims and then lowering the FSH dosage. Any thoughts on this? My current RE had me starting Menopur on the 2nd day of stims.The past 2 cycles fertilization was only 50% with ICSI compared to 100% my 1st cycle. The embryologist noted that my eggs were "brownish". Any thoughts on this? Do you think it was due to egg quality? Lab issues?You mentioned additional meds to reduce your immune response and increase blood flow... what type of meds do you usually prescibe?How much emphasis do you put on SART scores.

I am contemplating switching clinics and I am looking for some guidance. Mass General has the highest success ratings in my age group but I have heard that they are very focused on scores, etc. I have heard great things about a RE at Boston IVF but there SART scores are lower. Would this be a deciding factor for you?Yes, I agree... I am very lucky to have insurance coverage! Again, I really appreciate your help. This process is so stressful and I am so overwhelmed!

Follow-up Answer #1:

Hello Again,

Let me take your questions sequentially for ease.

1. I don't have any feelings one way or the other regarding estrogen priming. I don't use it because I don't think it has been shown to be of any benefit. By I lack the experience to know for sure.

2. I am a believer in the "mixed protocol" which uses both pure FSH and a combination FSH/LH (my preference is Follistim/Menopur). Many studies have shown benefit to having LH present in the follicular phase. It has been found to increase the egg quality although there is not real technology to determine egg quality. I was trained on this method and my experience has been that the stimulation is better i.e. higher number of follicles. My pregnancy rates are pretty good as well. I don't agree that it will decrease egg quality. That has not been my experience.

3. Brownish or discolored eggs signify a basic egg quality issue. This may be why the fertilization rate was not as good. The minimum fertilization rate should be 50% and will vary from cycle to cycle because the eggs will be different each time. I don't think anyone has any explanation for why the eggs would have a "brownish" or "discolored" appearance.

4. I use low dose aspiring (81mg), Medrol (16 mg) and low dose heparin (2000 units twice per day). These all start with the start of the stimulation and continue through the cycle. The aspirin and heparin are stopped on the day of the trigger injection and not restarted until the day after the retrieval.

5. SART scores are certainly one thing I would look at. The problem with SART scores or the CDC scores is that they only look at one year, not cumulative scores which is more revealing. That's because clinics can have a good year and bad year depending on the types of patients they have, embryology problems, change in personnel, etc. But since these two organizations don't give cumulative statistics, you might have to ask the clinics if they have them. If you are going to use SART scores, then try to look at the last three years and compare. Also the problem with these scores is that they are 2 years behind and IVF technology is ever-changing.

Also, if you are going to look at the SART/CDC stats, the only one you should look at is the implantation and pregnancy rates per cycle and transfer in patients under the age of 35. Don't necessarily look at your specific age group. Those two statistics are the important ones and we use under 35 years old as the gold standard because those are inherently the most fertile patients (ie no age factor). Certainly your age group statistics are also important because you want a clinic that does well with your age group. If I were going to a new area and had no idea which clinic to go to, I would use the SART/CDC statistics to help me decide. Then I would go check them out, ask about their program and see how personal the care is (just like you would if you were buying a car). I don't recommend going to a factory type program. You want a program where you have one doctor attending you through the entire process and don't get a different doc for the transfer, which is one of the most critical steps. Sometimes smaller clinics are better than larger ones because of this, as long as the pregnancy rates are equivalent. Try to get the clinic's current statistics if you can or the most recent ones, and not necessarily the ones from two years ago submitted to SART. Most clinics will have the previous year's stats.

Follow-Up Question #2:

Thank you very much for your response. The info that you provided re: the SART scores is very helpful. I appreciate the tips!!One more follow up question re: the "mixed protocol". Do you usually start the Menopur at the same time as Follistim? Or do you wait a couple of days.Also, would you reccomend that I try any supplements? I have done some reading about DHEA? What are your thoughts?

Follow-Up Answer #2:

Hello Again,

The Menopur (FSH/LH) is started at the same time as the Follistim (FSH). I don't recommend any supplements. There are none, especially DHEA, that have been proven to work but I did see a recent article touting DHEA is older women. They claimed it increased embryo quality, but I am doubtful. That shouldn't be a problem for you because you are young.

Things that I do add in patents that have failed a previous cycle:
1. Acupuncture (it is not proven, but some studies show benefit and it doesn't hurt to try everything after failures.)
2. Low dose aspirin - 81 mg orally per day starting at the beginning of the cycle.
3. Low dose heparin - 2000 units SQ twice per day starting at the beginning of the cycle.
4. Medrol 16 mg orally per day starting at the beginning of the cycle and decrease to 8 mg on the day of transfer (you would stop this at the time of the pregnancy test).
5. Both progesterone injections and progesterone suppositories. I don't start the suppositories until the day after the transfer.

Good Luck,
Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
www.montereybayivf.com
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

Comment: Dr. Ramirez is always very kind and helpful. I am very thankful for all of his help.

How Can I Have A Year Of The Dragon Baby?

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:01:00 +0000

Question:
Dear Doctor,

We are a Chinese couple who would like to have a baby this year. We have been trying for many months in the natural way for timing the baby for the Dragon year but we are not successful so far. We are thinking that maybe we can make our chances better for a baby this year if we go see a baby specialist here in Hong Kong. My wife is 34 years old and I am 38 years old. We have been trying for six months now. If we try for test tube baby, can we choose for a boy or girl? What would you suggest would be the proper next step for us?

Thank you, you are very kind for your advice. L. from Hong Kong

Answer:

Dear L. from Hong Kong,

I appreciate the fact that many Chinese couples are looking forward to having a child in the Year of the Dragon. If you wish to time your wife's pregnancy for a delivery within this Chinese lunar year, you do not have much time to spare! In essence, since you have been trying to conceive already for six months, it may be time to look at alternatives. I will go over all your options, from least complicated to the most aggressive:

First option:

What I would suggest if you still choose to go the "natural way" for just this month, is that your wife begin taking prenatal vitamins that have at least 1 mg of Folic acid within it, and that you keep in mind that the actual fertile days are pretty narrow - 2-3 days. If your wife has regular and predictable cycles, you can predict ovulation by counting back 14 days from the period. That would show where ovulation probably occurred in the previous cycle and by counting from the first day of her period, gives you an idea of what cycle day ovulation occurred. Then with this information, you can use the calendar method by counting from the period the number of days where you can both expect ovulation to occur. You need to stop intercourse 5 days from that anticipated ovulatory day, then start intercourse two days prior and have intercourse daily, once per day, with having only one ejaculation per day for five days.

Second option:

I think that an IUI (intra uterine insemination or artificial insemination) is a better starting point and should be done right away, but you need to make sure that the appropriate treatment is being done to increase your chances. IUI's are better than trying naturally because the number of eggs ovulated are increased with fertility medications, timing is better known by ultrasound surveillance and the sperm is injected into the tubes to await the egg. Ideally, your wife should be ovulating 3 eggs per cycle, or have 3 eggs of ovulatory size (18-24 mms) so maximize the chances that an egg will find and get into a tube. You did not say if either one of you have been tested for infertility. In your age group (34yo), your chances of natural pregnancy are about 10% per month and with IUI, up to 24% per month.

At my center, typically, we do an hsg (hysterosalpingogram) to see if the woman's tubes are open and viable. We also do a semen analysis on her partner. A negative result in either of these tests would make it quite difficult for you to immediately succeed with either an IUI or naturally.

Third and probably best option:

Considering the fact that you do not have much time and that you are considering gender selection, then IVF (in vitro fertilization) or "test tube baby" may be the best choice if you wish to conceive within the next few months.

With IVF the woman can produce many follicles and as long as you get at least one good embryo, IVF has a better pregnancy chance than IUI because it is accomplishing 7 of the 9 steps your body goes through to achieve pregnancy (IUI only accomplishes one). The remainder have to be accomplished by your body. That is what gives IVF a pregnancy rate of 60-76% per cycle in your age group.

If you wish to do gender selection, then IVF with PGS (pre implantation genetic screening) is the only option you have. A microscopic biopsy of the trophectoderm (the outer cell layer of an embryo) is done by the embryologist and sent to a lab for analysis. Recently it has been shown that the pregnancy rates from a single PGS-selected euploid embryo were 58% and 60.7% compared to 42% and 40.7%, respectively, from a morphologically comparable but non-PGS-selected embryo. Interestingly, the miscarriage rates were seen to decrease to 6% and 6.3% from 12% and 12.5%, respectively. With transfer of one embryo, the risk of multiple gestation is essentially eliminated.

I know that in China, Korea and Japan, genetic screening for gender selection is not allowed. Here in California it is, though. We have had Asian patients come to us who have chosen to have PGS for gender selection and succeeded. Your chances would be reasonable if normal embryos were obtained and transferred. You can choose to freeze or vitrify some embryos and transfer one fresh (vitrification is a method of rapid cooling of embryos that minimizes ice crystal formation which has further improved success). If one is transferred and it takes (implants), I would expect that there would not be any abnormalities in the fetus or child.

I wish you luck in the Year of the Dragon and hope that you will find a good physician in Hong Kong or abroad that will be willing to work with you and help you succeed in your quest for a child this year.

I hope all this information is helpful.

Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
http://www.montereybayivf.com/
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

34 Year Old With One Tube, Endometriosis, Abnormal ANA: What TTC Strategy Do You Recommend?

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:31:00 +0000

Question:

Hi Dr. Ramirez,

I am writing to you as I am now desperate with our situation and hoping to get some push from someone who is knowledgeable in this field. I am 34 and my husband is 40. No kids from both sides. We've been TTC for 2.5 years now. When we started, our bloodwork both came back normal as per my family doctor although he mentioned that my ANA (anti nuclear antibodies) is out of the normal but he said he's not sure if it has something to do with fertility or not and he'll leave it up to our RE to decide. My ANA is positive 2+ speckled pattern.

I've always been regular with a 26-29 day cycle. We first visited our RE in April 2011 and he said I should go for additional bloodwork which I did and came back normal. So he said I am generally healthy, no weight or smoking problems. My husband didn't smoke too. I also did BBT (basal body temperature) charting and my RE confirmed that I am ovulating regularly. I went for an HSG (hystergosalpingogram) in June 2011 and they said they can't get the fluid to get into my cervix or uterus so they considered me blocked.

I went for laparoscopy on July 2011 and my RE told me that I have stage 2 endometriosis but he was able to clear it out and my left tube is open while the right is still blocked. He said we only need 1 tube to get pregnant so he prescribed me with Clomid in August and did a scan at cd 12 and he saw 2 mature follicles in my left ovary. We didn't get pregnant that month so I went for another month of Clomid but I noticed that month, I didn't get the cervical mucus that I usually have during my fertile days. I told my RE so in October he switched me to femara and had another HSG done. He said he unblocked my right tube so I am perfectly healthy. We did another scan at CD 12 and my RE confirmed that I have 2 mature follicles, one from each side so he said I should get pregnant pretty soon. He gave me 2 more prescriptions of femara and told me not to come back to him until Feb 2012 or when I am pregnant. I am now in my final dose of my femara and really desperate :(. While taking femara I didn't notice my cervical mucus coming back to normal. I think it was the same case as with clomid. I am dry during my fertile periods so I started using preseed in November.

Now my questions are, what do you think are the other options that we can take besides IVF? I've never tested positive in a test since we started TTC. I've never taken birth control pills in my entire life. Do you think my positive 2+ ANA has something to do with our infertility? My RE seems to ignore it and I am not too sure if I still have to remind him about it. What do you think about the fertilaid supplements? I am just in a desperate mood now so I think I am taking any chances. Any advice on the next steps to take?

Sorry for the long post. I would really appreciate your reply on this. I hope you had a fantastic holidays!

Here's my husband's numbers:Volume 3.5 mlpH 7.6Motility 50%Speed 4Count 48 million/mlMorphology 80% normal. I don't have some of my bloodwork numbers so I cannot post but my RE said it looks ok. Thanks in advance for your reply. F. from Canada

Answer:

Hello F. from Canada,

First let me say that you should not feel "desperate" at this time. You have plenty of time to work with because you are young, and options open to you. You are just beginning your journey so you just have to accept your situation and move forward through it, do what must be done and look forward to your eventual success.

It is worrisome to me that you only have one tube open. Why is there a tubal problem at all? Could this imply that although the tube is open that it is not functional i.e. that there is internal damage? If the tube is not functional then natural pregnancy cannot occur as the tube is an essential part of the process required to become pregnant by natural means.

The second problem you have is the endometriosis. Endometriosis, even if treated surgically, can still be present in microscopic form. It is surmised that this ectopic tissue, i.e. tissue that is not supposed to be present in the pelvis, causes a low level inflammatory reaction that that interfere with the egg in its travel from ovary to tube and therefore prevent pregnancy from occurring. One consideration would be to undergo a 3 month treatment with Lupron in order to get rid of any microscopic residual endometriosis followed by aggressive treatment to achieve pregnancy.

The alternative is IVF to bypass the pelvis altogether. Yes, Clomid and Femara (to a lesser extent) can block estrogen receptors and therefore lead to reductions in cervical mucous and endometrial thickness (that is how they work..they trick the brain into thinking it is not making enough estrogen so that it stimulates the ovary harder, which in turn makes more estrogen). These are side effects. These can be treated by giving vaginal estrogen tablets.

I don't think that the ANA is having any affect on your lack of pregnancy at this time. But, you could take an 81 mg tablet of aspirin daily to help overcome this. It's an easy treatment. (For my readers information, an ANA test detects antinuclear antibodies in your blood. Normally your immune system makes antibodies to help you fight infection. In contrast, antinuclear antibodies often attack your body's own tissues — specifically targeting each cell's nucleus. But some people have positive ANA tests and are perfectly healthy.)

I am not a proponent of fertiliaid. I think the product is just preying on people like you who are desperate and will try anything. I don't think that it helps.

In terms of other options, if the simple ovulation induction with Clomid, Femara or injectables is not successful, and I would not recommend continuing with this strategy if no pregnancy occurs within 6 months, then the next level of treatment is IUI. I would not recommend more than 4 attempts at IUI. If all the above don't work, then you should move to IVF.

Good Luck,

Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
www.montereybayivf.com
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

Woman Wonders: Natural FET Cycle Vs. Controlled FET Cycle?

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:37:00 +0000

Question:

Dr. Ramirez, I have some embryos frozen. I have adenomyois and endo and chronic endometritis diagnosed.

Have done antibiotic treatment with uterine lavages and IVs.

After depot lupron treatment, is it better to do a natural FET (frozen embryo transfer) or medicated FET. Since it takes about 2-3 months to wait for period to arrive is it better to do a medicated FET? I am concerned about medicated FET as the last time I did a medicated FET I had fluid in the uterus although nearer to transfer it disappeared and I did go on to transfer although BFN (big fat negative).

My RE seems to want to wait for a period before transfer but would not that waste 2-3 months since you said the endo can return in 6 months? Will the cycle be regular and as in ovulation or will it be not regular when I do FET. At the moment my cycles are regular. I have also heard of high dose progesteone treatments treating endo and adeno. Can you explain how this works?

I am confused what to do as we have limited embryos and want to do everything as possible as once the embryos are used up we are done.

Thank you. R. from Rhode Island

Answer:

Hello R. from the U.S. (Rhode Island),

Your RE should have explained that one of the critical steps in getting pregnant, natural or with IVF, is the state of the uterine lining at the time the embryo reaches it for implantation. We know that there is a very limited time that the embryo can implant and the endometrial lining has to be in a very specific and correct microscopic state for implantation to occur. This is where timing is absolutely essential. If you miss this "implantation window", then it will fail.

Conceivably you could do this with a natural cycle, but then there is a wider margin of error because we don't know exactly what the timing is or what is going on microscopically in the uterus. For this reason, we do not do this in FET cycles. FET cycles are always done as a controlled and programmed cycle. With this protocol, you can have a period induced artificially with medication and then start the cycle, but most clinics will want their patients to be on the birth control pill for at least two weeks period to the FET cycle in order to suppress the ovaries, which then allow complete control of the FET cycle.

If this is in fact gong to be your last attempts at getting pregnant, then I would make absolutely certain that you are in the best clinic that you can be in and that it will give you the highest chances of success. A good clinic would be able to answer these questions and make sure everything is clearly laid out.

Finally, in terms of progesterone treatment with endometriosis and adenomyosis, progesterone has suppressive action or counteracts estrogen in estrogen receptors. AS you probably know, endometriosis/adenomyosis are stimulated by estrogen and therefore, will be somewhat suppressed by progesterone. However, there is still some small amount of stimulation so progesterone is not the perfect treatment. Estrogen receptor blockers such as Lupron are better at suppressing endometriosis. Progesterone is used mainly to slow down the recurrence of the endometriosis after they have been treated with surgery or Lupron.

Good Luck,

Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
www.montereybayivf.com
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia & Infertility

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:08:00 +0000

Question:

Dear Dr. Ramirez,

Thank-you for reading this message, I greatly appreciate your advice.

My husband and I have been trying for a baby for just under 3 years. During the last year we have had 3 cycles of IUI and 3 cycles of IVF all of which have been unsuccessful.I have PCOS (although the lean variety with normal BMI) and my husband has an above average sperm count, no issues with motability etc etc.Recent blood tests revealed a chemical pregnancy with a level of HCG at 25(this was outwith IVF) and a very high 17-OHP level (13 x normal level). DHEAS level was normal. The tests were repeated however they have refused a follow up 17-OHP due to costs and have just tested DHEAS as my doc is now saying these levels should ALWAYS correlate.

I am worrying that I may have late onset Congenital adrenal hyperplasia (I am aware that sometimes PCOS is mistaken for this) and that the lack of treatment may be preventing pregnancy. I have asked for the ACTH test but have been told i dont need this as DHEAS levels are normal.Can you advise if it is normal to have a markedly elevated 17ohp in the absence of raised DHEAS? Could this be late onset Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia?Your advice would be most appreciated. From K. in the U.K.

Answer:

Hello K. from the U.K.,

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I had to do a little reviewing to answer your question.

17-OHP is a marker of adrenal function in the valuation of hirsuitism (increased hair growth in a woman). It is a good first level screening test. To be most accurate, it should measured first thing in the morning because there could be elevations from the intermittent diurnal pattern of secretion from the adrenal gland (ACTH). Levels should be less than 200 ng/dl whereas intermediate levels of 200-800 ng/dl require further testing. Levels over 800 ng/dl are diagnostic of a 21-hydroxylase deficiency, which is a form of congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH). In that case, the DHEAS would be normal.

The next step to diagnose this disorder would be an ACTH stimulation test, which is done by administering ACTH (Cortrosyn or Cosyntropin) intravenously in a dose of 250 mcg. Blood samples are then taken for 17-OHP at time 0 and 1 hr. The testing must be done in the morning (the levels of ACTH change with the body's natural 24-hour cycle of processes "circadian rhythms"). This test is most accurate if it is performed early in the morning. (Reference: "Clinical Endocrinology and Infertility" Leon Speroff et al).

Keep in mind that late onset COH is very rare. Both 17-OHP and DHEAS are measurements of adrenal function. In the cases of most adrenal disease leading to hirsuitism, both 17-OHP and DHEAS are elevated. Both may be elevated with hyperprolactinemia or adrenal tumor.

Good Luck,
Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
www.montereybayivf.com
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

Comment: Thank you so much for your response, I will pursue the ACTH stimulation test. Thanks again!

Implantation Problems & Causes Of Chemical Pregnancy

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:49:00 +0000

Question:

Hi again, it's K. in NY. I have written to you in the past about my difficulties staying pregnant. I have had 7 chemical pregnancies in the past 18 months and one miscarriage at 9 weeks after using femara (you felt it was probably due to a respiratory virus I contrated around 6 weeks). I tested positive for MTHFR mutation heterozygous but also this didn't appear to be the issue.

I guess I have a 2 part question for you. The first would be related to causes of chemical pregnancies. My progesterone levels have been on the low side of normal (even during the pregnancy that ended in miscarrige) and I really thought that was the cause. I was placed on 50 mg suppositories 2 months ago and I did get a positive result this month (8 DPO Hcg 12, progesterone 18.8, took femara and progesterone) but my HCG level was back to <5 on 10 DPO.

Are there other implantation issues that could be my problem besides chromosomal abnormalities and low progesterone that lead to a pregnancy not progressing? I know I shouldn't test early, but I was trying to establish if low progesterone levels were the cause of my losses.

Part 2: is it possible to just have an underlying HCG level that elevates above 5 regularly, and if so, what would that signify? As you may remember, my old RE wrote off the HCG values as me eating too much cereal and developing an antibody to HCG that triggers pregnancy tests. I will be visiting a new RE soon and want to be sure to ask the right questions and supply the best information.Thank you very much for all of your insight and for volunteering your services. Merry Christmas!

Answer:
Hello K. from the U.S. (New York),

Let me take the second question first since it is the easier of the two to answer. The answer is NO, you can't have an underlying HCG level from cereal or any other source other than pregnancy. Serum pregnancy tests are very sensitive and testing for the beta subtype (bHCG), so there is no cross reaction even if the cows you were using the milk from were given hormones for some reason (I presume that is what your old RE was thinking as a source. A little far fetched if you ask me).

In terms of your chemical pregnancies, that is a difficult problem to answer. If you have already undergone a complete recurrent miscarriage evaluation (hormones, infectious diseases, anatomical, genetic, immunologic) then we may not have the technology to find the exact cause. However, the hormonal is easy to check through blood tests, and I automatically place my patients on progesterone supplementation just in case; anatomical testing would take an ultrasound and hysteroscopy, again an easy test; and infectious diseases and genetic are also easy to test. The only one that is difficult and not completely understood is the immunologic component. Many authorities have looked into many different immune factors.

If you look at a website by Reproductive Immunology Associates, who have made a practice of the immunologic causes of miscarriage, you will see lots of different test that they recommend. Because this component is so difficult to define, experts have conflicting opinions.

If you were my patient, I would put you on a protocol that I use and, for the most part, have been successful with. It involves taking aspirin 81 mg per day starting at the beginning of the cycle, medrol (prednisone) 16 mg per day taken from the beginning of the cycle then decreasing to 8 mg after ovulation, progesterone vaginal suppositories beginning after ovulation and, finally, heparin 2000 units twice per day subcutaneously beginning at the start of the cycle. The aspirin, medrol and heparin treat for subclinical immunologic problems and the aspirin and heparin also help to increase blood flow at the microvascular level at the implantation.

Good Luck & Merry Christmas to you too :) ,

Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
http://www.montereybayivf.com/
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

Comment: Thank you SO much for your opinion. I will definitely have to look into these additional things. Glad to hear that I am doing all that I can do on my own and that I am advocating for the right things. It makes a HUGE difference when you have an idea what direction you should be headed so that you can work with a doctor to get there. Merry Christmas!

39 Yr Old TTC With Previous Miscarriage: Clomid Vs. Gonadotropins? Flare Vs. Antagonist Protocol?

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:08:00 +0000

Question:

Dear Doctor,

I am from India. I am 39. I had two missed abortions at 36 and 37 both in the eighth week and after the heart beat was felt.After leaving a gap of four months I have been trying to conceive naturally for 14 months without any result.

Subsequently I started Clomid 100 mg (day 3-7) at the advice of doctor.I did 3 cycles with Clomid out of which I got two follicles of ovulatory size (more than 18mm) in two of the cycles and one follicle (20mm) in one of the cycles.I did not conceive. My FSH and other hormones are normal.

I consulted a IVF specialist who examined me and said that my ovary volume is good and said that she will go for two cycles of IUI, if they are not successful she will go for IVF.

In my first cycle of IUI, the doctor did a trans-vaginal ultra sound on day 2 and gave the following medications from day 2 to day 5 (1) Suprefact 10 markings in the insulin syringe with 100 markings (BD 100 mark syringe) (between 1 to 2 pm daily)(2) GMH (human menopausal Gonadotropins (FSH+LH)) 225 IU (between 7-9 pm daily)

On day 6 she checked and told me that there is no response and the follicles have not grown.She changed the medication to GMH 375 IU per day on day 6 and day7 (between 7-9 pm daily) (She stopped Suprefact)

On day 8, she checked and told me that the follicles have not grown and advised cancellation of the cycle.Further she said that my follicles are not good enough for future trials of IVF or IUI and advised IVF with donor egg.

I asked her how I could get two ovulatory sized follicles (above 18mm) with Clomid in two of my three monitored cycles but nothing in this cycle and she is ruling out the possibility of the future trials. Her answer was that with Clomid or Letrozole even empty follicles grow and give a false impression that the follicles are growing and ovulating. But with Gonadotropins only follicles with good eggs will grow and that is the reason why my follicles did not grow with Gonadotropins. Is the above statement about Clomid and Gonadotropins correct. I will be grateful for your answer. R. from India

Answer:

Hello R. from India,

The simple answer is "NO. Her explanation is NOT correct." The gonadotropins are more effective than Clomid or Letrozole in recruiting and growing follicles because it IS the hormone the brain sends to the ovary for that purpose. Clomid and Letrozole work by an indirect method to cause the brain to increse its FSH output.

Also, she is NOT correct that gonadotropins only grow "good" follicles whereas Clomid grows "false" follicles. This explanation is made up and not scientific at all. In fact, no such thing exists. Sorry.I am not sure why your doctor cancelled your cycle. If the CD#8 ultrasound (which is early) or Estradiol level are showing a low response, the proper protocol is to continue going. Sometimes the follicle can grow slower. I have had patients get up to 21 days before ovulation occurs. In addition, the FSH should be increased if the stimulation is slow. I do not expect to have ovulatory sized follicles until at least CD#12.

I agree with you that since you stimulated with Clomid previously, you should readily stimulate with Gonadotropins as well. Maybe you should find a new IVF specialist. One thing to keep in mind, however, although your chances are still good at 39 years old, your previous miscarriage show what part of the problem is, which is that the eggs have aged and more and more of them are not of good quality. As a result, there is a higher chance of abnormal embryos which increases the miscarriage rate. IVF should help that because it increases the amount of eggs that are retrieved which in turn increases the possibility of finding an egg that is still good quality. You probably will need a high dose protocol using up to 600IU of FSH. IVF is definitely the way to go!

Follow-Up Question:

Dear Doctor,Thanks for your kind advice.The IVF specialist said the protocol given to me is the flare protocol meant for poor responders. Is that so? Then I do not understand why I did not respond to the protocol.

During my Clomid cycles my follicles reach ovulatory size by day 12. Do you think the poor response in the Gonadotropins cycle could be due the Suprefact Injection which was given from day 2 to day 5 along with Gonadotropins? Also kindly advise if it is necessary to add Suprefact or lupron early in the cycle or giving only FSH will help. Besides doctors here give Gonadotropins (FSH+LH) not Recombinant FSH. Is it better to give Recombinant FSH?

Kindly advise. R.

Follow-Up Answer:

Hello Again,

I do not like to comment on protocol specifics because there is no one way to do things. Please keep that in mind as I answer your questions. The "flare" protocol is one type of protocol used to stimulate the ovaries with IVF. It has no advantage over other protocols, but sometimes is used in patients that are designated as "poor responders". Studies have not shown it to be any better. I personally do not use the flare protocol. My preference is to use an antogonist protocol so that there is no suppression of the ovaries during the initial recruit phase, but I am in the minority in terms of centers that use this type of protocol.

In terms of your stimulation, I still think that a higher amount of medication may be warranted.

Both Suprefact and Lupron are medications called "gonadotropin agonists" and what they do is suppress the brain from producing FSH and LH.Gonadotropins are either pure FSH, pure LH or mixed FSH/LH. This is the name for that class of medications. Some IVF clinics only use FSH, some will use a mixed protocol of FSH and FSH/LH. Examples are Follistim (pure FSH) and Menopur (FSH/LH). My preference is the mixed protocol but many clinics will use FSH only protocols and some will use only the mixed FSH/LH medications. Studies have not show a necessary benefit of any of these protocols so they cannot be compared or criticized. Each doctor and/or clinic has their preferences. The most important aspect is how much FSH is being given because FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) is the hormone that stimulates follicle growth in the ovaries. Also, Natural vs Recombinant forms are equal. There is no difference.

Wishing you good luck with your TTC journey,

Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
www.montereybayivf.com
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

Can I Thicken Endometrium With Estrogen?

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:57:00 +0000

Question:

Dear Dr. Ramirez,

I´m 35 years old (will be 36 in Feb). I have been trying to get pregnant for 2 years (had a miscarriage a year ago). After going to a reproductive clinic, I´ve tried Clomid for 2 cycles with no success, an it really thinned up my endometrium, which usually wasn´t very thick (7-8mm). So my RE recommended to change to Menopur in the next cycle and do a IUI (My husband´s Kruger morphology is 5% - lab reference 4% all the rest is good). This current cycle (no meds) she did an sonogram on me on day 12 (my last period, which followed the Clomid treatment, was only 21 days longer and she wanted to check me for cysts). I had a 20mm follicle and several smaller ones, but my endometrium although trilaminar was only 7mm. For all I have been reading 7mm is not optimal thickness, although my doctor seems to think it´s ok and there´s no need to do anything.

So I was wondering how can I prime it before ovulation? Will taking estrogen help? Will it interfere with ovulation? What are the cycle days you normally recommend your patients to take it and what is the dosage?

Thanks for your time. I really appreciate it. C. from Brazil

Answer:

Hello C. from Brazil,

Yes, you can use estrogen in addition to the Menopur. I use it as an estrogen patch (Climara 0.2 mg per week up to 0.4 mg) or vaginal tablet (FemHRT, Estrace 1 mg up to 4 mg per day). As the follicles grow, they produce more and more estrogen so that should help as well. 7 mm is the minimum size needed, but ideally it should be 9 mms.

In terms of treatment, keep in mind that you have three problems going on. My opinion is that the more problems there are, the higher the treatment level you need to use. The problems identified are: (1) thin endometrial lining, (2) age factor (going on 36yo) and (3) severe male factor. Because of the age and SEVERE male factor, I would advise IVF with ICSI as the treatment of choice. The sperm may not have the ability to fertilize the egg naturally and so ICSI is required. This can only be done with IVF. IVF is also the only treatment that helps to increase pregnancy rates related to age, which is an egg problem, by increasing the number of eggs available to fertilize.

Follow-Up Question:

Thanks for answering my question, Dr. Ramirez.

When would I start taking the estradiol, cd1 and go up to ovulation? I´d like to know so I can talk to my doctor about it.

Also, now I am really concerned about the severe male factor. Is a 5% Kruger morphology that bad even if the sperm concentration is high (85 million/ml) and they show good motility (>70%)? For the IUI procedure, after swim up test and washes, can the doctor choose only the sperm that have good morphology? I´ve read that some doctors think that the Kruger method is really too strict and based on it, most males would be called fertile. What´s your opinion on that? Is there any treatment for sperm morphology (my husband is 37yo)?Thanks again for your valuable time and input! C. from Brazil

Follow-Up Answer:

Hello Again,

1. The estradiol patch or vaginal suppository would begin with CD#1 or 2.

2. If only 5% of the sperm are anatomically normal (morphology), even with an 85 Million count that means only 3.2 Million are available to actually fertilize the sperm (85 Million x 75% motility = 63.75 Million motile x 5% = 3.2 Million). This is inadequate for natural fertility. In addition, when there are sperm abnormalities, there is a high chance that there could be a defect in its ability to fertilize, and there is no test for that other than with IVF. For that reason ICSI is recommended. The embryologist will only take anatomically normal forward swimming sperm for the ICSI (if they are good embryologists).

3. I somewhat agree with the opinion regarding Kruger, but the decision has to be made based on the information that you have. Even 5% normal morphology is pretty low using Kruger.4. Unfortunately, other than ICSI there is no good treatment methods available to change morphology. There are two products that he can try, which are basically vitamins, called Proxeed and Fertility Blend. These can be purchased via the internet. He would need to use them for 3 months minimum. He can then repeat the semen analysis and see if this helps at all.

Good Luck,
Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
www.montereybayivf.com
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

Comment: Thank you again Dr. Ramirez. I wish I was still living in the US to go to your clinic :)

Did IVF Then Got Shingles: Could It Have Caused BFN?

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Tue, 06 Dec 2011 14:35:00 +0000

Hello,

I was 5 days into my 2ww after a second IVF (in vitro fertilization). My first IVF unfortunately was a BFN (big fat negative), when I got my first ever shingles outbreak.

Then, my IVF ended up as BFN! Could shingle cause an IVF to fail. I had 4 gradeA embryos transferred. I am devastated! Thank you for your answer. A. From Georgia

Answer:

Hello A. from Georgia,

I am so sorry that your second cycle resulted in a negative and that you had to suffer shingles on top of that. I've had it myself and it is not a pleasant condition at all.

To answer your question: Yes, it is possible that a shingles outbreak could affect an implanting embryo. The immune response would be greatly heightened and could kill the embryo. That may not be the reason for the failure, but is a possible cause.

Good Luck,

Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
www.montereybayivf.com
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

No Period, Retained Cysts & Fibroids, After IVF Cycle Cancelled: 47 Year Old IVF UK Patient Worried

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:24:00 +0000

QUESTION:

I am 47yrs. I had my 6th IVF (in vitro fertilization) cycle in September 2011. The drugs used were climara patches10 days before the cycle began, prednisolene 10mg daily, aspirin 81mg daily, bravelle 6 vials every morning, menopur 2 vials every evening later increased to3 vials and antagoni ganirelix acetate injection. I had 5 follicles before the cycle was abandoned. One on right side 9.5 and four on the left 16, 11, 7.5 and 6. My cycle was abandoned because the follicles didn't grow at same rate and the antagonist may have been administered late.

I have two issues:

1) I have not had a period for about 50 days, though I had spotting and a discharge 10 days after the ivf cycle was abandoned. A vaginal US 2 days ago which indicated that I have multiple large follicle/small cysts ..3 large follicles of 20mm each on left ovary and 1 follicle 4.3 mm on right ovary, endometrial thickness was 9.1mm. Urine peg test was -ve. I am awaiting results Blood tests of hormone levels and peg test. My question is is it normal not to have a period long after after some types ivf cycles.since my period returned to normal 10days after my other 4 previous cycles? Or could the drugs have triggered menopause? Would the 3 large follicle disintegrate eventually?

2) I have 6 uterine fibroids, between 20-28mm, outside the womb. Also, a recent immune blood test revealed that I have a raised Th1:Th2 cytokines ratio of 33.2 and Cd19,Cd5 cells of 13.6. The clinic I attend does not think I should be bothered about these issues since the challenge is for me to produce good quality eggs but I wonder if I should continue ivf treatments. What do you advise? I am writing from UK. With regards, M. from the UlK.

ANSWER:

Hello M. from the U.K.,

It's unfortunate that your cycle had to be cancelled. I had to do the same with a patient of mine this month because the follicles were not growing. It happens with decreased ovarian reserve. You have been quite dedicated to your desire to become pregnant and hopefully your dedication will pay off in the end. As long as your ovaries are still stimulating, then there is a chance, given your age.

In terms of your menses not starting, that is probably because you have the three retained cysts present. They are probably still hormonally active and so there is not the hormone withdrawal that i needed to start the menses. You can either wait it out, or your doctor can prescribe the birth control pill to suppress the cysts.

In terms of the fibroids, they are rather small and should not interfere, but there are some studies showing that fibroids can reduce the chances of pregnancy. I agree that the main hurdle you have is your age and the resultant quality of eggs. But, if you were wanting to do everything possible to increase your chances of pregnancy (short of using donor eggs), then you might want to consider having the fibroids removed prior to another attempt. It is not absolutely necessary, but only an option. In terms of the killer cells, I don't anything more needs to be done.I am impressed that the clinic you are attending is being very aggressive in your treatment, and allowing you to continue to try with your own eggs. That is commendable. Many of the letters I received are from patients whose clinics are not very aggressive.

Follow Up Question:

Many many thanks for your answer. It was amongst my junk mail so I did nt see it earlier. I was very encouraged.

My follow up questions are:

1) How long after an abandoned ivf can I try again? Given that my periods have not started. My clinic had advised that I take the pill for two weeks and then start another ivf cycle immediately on day 2/3. However, I choose to wait for the periods to start naturally and then attempt the following month...that would be about 4 months after the abandoned cycle. I wonder if the drugs may still be in my system now and if it will help provide more good quality eggs if I take the advice of my clinic.

2) Do you think taking intralipids for the immune problems will help? I noticed that it is gaining popularity. I prefer it to the other edications being suggested i.e taking humira jabs for two months prior to the ivf.

3) Surgery to remove the fibrods is not an option for me....however, I learnt that there are other means of shrinking them but since they are small and dont bother me I dont want to interfere with my ivf treatment since time is not on my side.

4) Since, I missed my periods I have been having dull headaches especially when I wake up, my BP has been hoovering around 148/95, increased acne on chin and back and my hair has been falling out alot. Are thse symtoms of the missed periods or the after effect of the stimulation or the side effects of DHEA Supplementation which I have been taking for about 1 year now.

Kindly advise, M.

Follow-Up Answer:

Hello Again,

I think that two weeks after a failed IVF cycle is a little too soon, but my usual minimum waiting time is 4 weeks (1 month). I place the patient right back on the birth control pill once the period starts and prepare for the next cycle. I don't find a need for a "natural" period to occur. Because time is of essence for you, you cannot predict when your ovaries will shut down, I don't recommend that you wait a long period of time.

Intralipids is not indicated for this problem. It will not do anything to help your eggs. It is mainly used for patients that have an immune factor issue. I would opt to leave the fibroids alone unless you wanted to remove all potential obstacles. Fibroids have not proven to be detrimental to IVF unless the fibroid is within the uterine cavity. It could be a side effect of the DHEA which would increase your serum androgens (male hormones). I am not a big fan of using DHEA.

Good Luck,

Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
http://www.montereybayivf.com/
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

Surrogate Worried She May Contract Hep B From Transferred Embryo

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:30:00 +0000

Hello Dr. Ramirez,

I'm currently signed up with an agency as a gestational carrier (surrogate). I have been matched with an international couple and was set to have their fertilized embryo transfered into my uterus this month. However I was just informed that the intended father tested positive for Hepatitis B core antigens. So he has a positive total antibody level but is negative for IgM. I'm told this means the results indicate either a false positve or that he had a past infection but there is NO current infection. Furthermore I'm told that the chances of me contracting hepatitis B is negligible to non-existent since the hepatitis virus lives in the fluid surrounding the sperm but not in the sperm itself and the fluid is always discarded prior to IVF procedures.

Do you have any expereince with or know if this is safe for me to go forward with this transfer via in vitro fertilization using just the sperm from the intended father as mention above and the intended mother's egg which I'm also told does not have recepters for the hepatitis virus?At this point I'm inclined to not take the risk but I feel obligated to find out as much information as possible before I make my descion.Thanks in advance for your time and help. J. from the U.S.

Answer:

Hello J. from the U.S.,

You have submitted a very interesting and difficult question. I think that it is unknown territory, and not being an infectious disease expert, I had to do some research myself to try and answer your question. There is an infectious disease (hepatitis) expert on the All Experts site on About.com, whom you might want to submit this question to as well.

From my research, based mainly via the CDC recommendations, hepatitis B or C are not transmissible via sperm but can be transmitted via semen, if the person is a chronic carrier If the sperm was prepped via thorough washing, there should be little risk of transmission of the virus to the egg, and in most IVF programs, that is the proper method. Transferring that embryo in to your uterus, would have a very small risk of hepatitis B. If you have been immunized for hepatitis B, which many many persons have been, then the chances of transmission are even less.

Based on the information regarding the sperm donor's testing, I cannot draw a conclusion as to his carrier status, except to say that he does not have an active infection. A carrier would have a positive hepatitis surface antigen, hepatitis core antibody but negative IgM. If he had Hep B in the past and recovered and is now naturally immune, he would also have a positive core antibody but also would have a positive surface antibody. This person would not be at risk for transmission of the virus, as no live virus would be present.

So, as a surrogate your chances would be very low, but it is ultimately your choice as to whether or not to take any form a risk. Even a low risk is a risk.

Good Luck,
Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
www.montereybayivf.com
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

Progesterone After IVF

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:49:00 +0000

Question:

My wife had IVF (in vitro fertilization) in Canada. She was prescribed Gonal-F, Repronex and Orgalutran for the stimulation phase. Two blastocysts were transferred at day 5 and yesterday our day-14 serum HCG pregnancy test was positive.

We were told by the nurses at the fertility center to stop taking the Prometrium pessaries now that the pregnancy test is positive. From reading, Progesterone seems to have many beneficial effect to the fetus, with minimal adverse effects. I think continuing progesterone supplements until the 10-12th wk is important. I am not sure why they want my wife to stop this!

Can you advise? A. from Canada

Answer:

Hello A. from Canada,

Your research is correct. Most IVF programs, if not all, will continue the progesterone until at least 8 weeks. I continue until 10 weeks and some programs will continue until 12 weeks.

I see that your center had your wife on progesterone pessaries (suppositories). For those others reading this post, there are different forms of progesterone to choose from:
• Daily oral progesterone
• Daily intramuscular injections (IM)
• Daily vaginal pessaries. These are mounted in wax, which melts as progesterone is absorbed causing discharge. It may be necessary to wear a panty liner.
• Daily vaginal tablets
• Daily vaginal gel

There are several formulations of vaginal progesterone: Crinone 8%, Prochieve 8%, Endometrin 100mg and pharmacy formulated versions. Several very good studies have shown equal efficacy to IM injectable progesterone. However, most RE's are trained on IM Prog and so don't want to make any drastic changes. I happen to use both. If a patient cannot tolerate the IM Prog or has an allergic reaction to it, then they can switch to the vaginal version.

Bottom line: There is no harm in continuing the progesterone, but if removed prematurely, it could jeopardize the pregnancy.

Good Luck and Congratulations,

Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
www.montereybayivf.com

PCOS Patient In India On Clomid: Needs To "Rest" Ovaries & No Ovarian Drilling!

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Sun, 06 Nov 2011 14:29:00 +0000

Question:

Hi, I am G. from India. I am 26 yr old and I have PCOS. My LH level (14) is high on day 2. I am trying to conceive now. My gynae suggested me with clomid 100 mg from day 2 to day 7 and hmg 75 on day 2, 3 and 4. After seeing a developing follicle in my right ovary through ultrasound, I was injected with hmg 75 on day 8, 10 and 12. I had 2 eggs with 18 mm measurement on day 14. Then I was administered with hcg 10000 to release those eggs. Me and my husband was asked to have intercourse for 4 days and I was prescribed with progesterone supplement (400 mg) from day 15 for 10 days. In spite of all this, I didn’t get pregnant last month. My husband (age 28) has got healthy sperms. What could be the reason for this failure?

My gynae is suggesting for IUI (intra uterine insemination) this month. How long can I go about with this treatment? Will I succeed in conceiving if I get this kind of eggs in the following month? My gynae also suggests that she has to do a laproscopic drilling if I fail 1 IUI.

Please advice. Thanks in advance.

Answer:

Hello G. from India,

First, you need to understand that fertility treatments are not magic. They don't work 100% of the time. What they do is attempt to restore your reproductive system back to normal, which in your case is to get your ovary to ovulate. It looks like your doctor did a very good job of treating you in this cycle. She was able to get you to ovulate (probably two eggs) and you had intercourse at the appropriate time. In addition, she supplemented you with progesterone as I would have recommended. Now you need to do that repetitively, just as if you were trying for pregnancy naturally. If you or any woman were trying on their own, they would give up after only one try or wonder why they didn't get pregnant after one try, would they?

The only caveat is that because you stimulated the ovary, you need to skip a cycle in between to give the ovary a rest. You should go on the birth control pill that month to make sure that you have a period in a timely fashion, so you don't have to wait for your natural period to begin. Then you do the same cycle again I would recommend that you continue trying this for 4-6 cycles. Then if it does not work, you can consider other treatments. But, keep in mind that you are assuming that the only problem is PCO. If you have done a complete infertility evaluation, there could be other reasons why the treatment did not work. For that reason, you might want to do an evaluation before moving up to higher levels of treatment. I don't think IUI is an appropriate suggestion at this time. I also DO NOT recommend laparoscopic drilling under any circumstances!

Remember, what you are doing is a "natural" treatment method and your chances of pregnancy, at your age, is 18-20% per month. A normal woman (not using fertility treatments) can take 8-12 months to achieve pregnancy. So, just like someone trying naturally, you have to give yourself time. Don't let your doctor push you into more expensive treatments that you don't yet need.

Good luck,
Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
www.montereybayivf.com
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

Comment: Thank you so much for your advise, doctor. I am confident that I am moving in the right path now. So as u said I shall try this treatment for 4-6 cycles. Thanks for your time.

Wondering About Follicle Size And Ovidrel Shot

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Thu, 03 Nov 2011 16:01:00 +0000

Question:

Hi, I am on Gonal-f and my US (ultra-sound) yesterday showed I had 2 follicles measuring at 17mm and 14mm, my doctor told me to take one more shot of 75ui Gonal-f last night and to trigger with ovidrel tonight.

Do you think my eggs will be mature enough to ovulate???
Thanks! N. from the U.S.

Answer:

Hello N. from the U.S.,

If the follicles grow normally, they should increase by 2 mms each day. That means that they will be 19 and 16 mms the next day. I NEVER trigger without knowing the follicle size for sure. That is sloppy care. In addition, I would want you to be able to ovulate both follicles so I would probably wait one extra day and use the gonal-f another day. That way the follicle sizes should be 21 and 18 mms, so that both would be ovulatory size. Since follicles don't always follow the expected growth rate, I feel you have to look each day to know for sure.

In terms of your question, if the follicles grow to 19 mms and 16 mms the next day, then the 19 mm follicle definitely should ovulate and the 16 mm follicle may or may not.

Good Luck,

Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
www.montereybayivf.com
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

Can Lubricants Interfere With Getting Pregnant?

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:36:00 +0000

Question:

Hi there. I was wondering if you can tell me if using a lubricant like KY sensitive Jelly can hurt your chances of getting pregnant. My husband and I just started using it a few months ago and we have been trying to conceive. I just read online that it can be toxic to sperm. Does this mean that you cannot get pregnant at all while using the lubricant or that it just lowers your chances? We will stop using it if we don't get pregnant this month. Thank you. J. from New York

Answer:

Hello J. from the U.S. (New York),

The rule of thumb is that lubricants like KY can interfere with sperm mobility and therefore also the ability to achieve pregnancy. Some lubricants can kill sperm but it depends completely on the formulation. Johnson and Johnson does make a version that is compatible with attempting pregnancy and there are other companies that produce "fertility-friendly" lubricants as well. You have to look specifically for one that states that it is compatible with trying for pregnancy. Some alternate brands you might want to look at are "Pre-Seed" or "Conceive Plus".

Good Luck,
Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
http://www.montereybayivf.com/
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

TTC Patient Needs Aggressive Approach After Laparoscopy For Endometrioma or "Chocolate Cyst"

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:40:00 +0000

Question:

Hi, I have been trying to conceive since 1 year. I am 29 yrs old,and a professional with busy working schedules. I recently got myself investigated and found that my FSH levels r 7.09 and LH levels 3.0, AMH levels 3.29.

I have undergone 2 ovulation induction cycles which showed normal ovulation but I have a tendency towards cyst formation. HSG is normal. My antral follicle count is 6 and 4 in both ovaries. Kindly opine if i should undergo IUI cycles with clomiphene or with gonadotropins or should I directly go ahead with IVF cycle?

I am worried as my FSH levels are on the higher side and also my FSH:LH ratio is >2:1.

I recently underwent a hysterolaproscopy and was found to have a small chocolate cyst of 1cm in one ovary that was removed with cyst wall and spot on the other ovary along with few spots in the P.O.D that were fulgerated. Rest of findings were normal....no adhesions, healthy tubes with free spill and good uterine cavity.

From what I have learnt, endometriotic ovaries have a poor ovarian reserve and chances of recurrence of endometriosis is also high. My FSH values are already in the upper range.So what do you suggest i should go for? What sort of induction should I undergo?

Thank you. S. from India

Answer:

Hello, S. from India,

First, let me reassure you that your lab tests, including FSH level, are all normal.

More important were the findings after your laparoscopy. With an endometriotic cyst present (chocolate cyst or endometrioma), we would automatically classify you has having stage 3 endometriosis. Studies have shown that stage 3 and 4 endometriosis affect fertility. Normally, with these stages IVF would be the recommended treatment of choice. But considering that you are young, there are some lesser options that you can try.

First, let me point out that your diagnosis is "Endometriosis" as the cause of your infertility. It has been treated by laparoscopy thus far. However, we know that if there is visible endometriosis present on a laparoscopy, then microscopic endometriosis exists as well.

For infertility patients, I recommend a 3-6 month course of Lupron depot therapy to get rid of any residual endometriosis before moving forward with any treatment. This medication will put you in a semi-menopausal state for the duration of the treatment but there will not be any long term effects. You can then begin treatment immediately thereafter. Because endometriosis will return within six months after ending this treatment, I would recommend that you proceed with a more aggressive treatment such as insemination. I would recommend four attempts, using Clomid 150mg or higher to have 2-3 ovulatory sized follicles per cycle, alternating with Femara 5.0-7.5 mg since you don't want to take Clomid in consecutive months (it can lead to poor endometrial lining formation and prevent pregnancy, among other things).

If you don't achieve pregnancy by four good IUI cycles, then I would proceed directly to IVF.

The alternative would be to go directly to IVF, in which case, it is not absolutely necessary to take the Lupron treatment, although some docs still will do this. IVF bypasses the pelvis and takes the eggs out of this hostile environment. It is the preferred treatment for stage 3 or 4 endometriosis. It will also be the fastest way for you to get pregnant.

Good Luck,

Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
www.montereybayivf.com
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

IVF Patient Has False Negative On Pregnancy Test: Late Implantation? What Went Wrong?

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:37:00 +0000

Question:

Dr.Ramirez,

I have written to you in the past and you have always been such a great sounding board. I need help and closure and I am hoping that you can help.

In September I went through IVF (in vitro fertilization). On 9/7 I transferred 2 embryos- 1 7cell grade AF and a 4cell grade BF. On 9/16 I had some light spotting and cramping. My beta was on 9/19 (12dp3dt)was negative & my RE instructed me to stop taking the PIO & Estrace. A few days later, what I thought was my period arrived. It was a medium flow w/some small clotting & lasted about 4 days & stopped. A couple of days later, I started bleeding very heavily & passing large clots. I went in to see my RE. She conducted an Ultrasound & some blood work to make sure I wasn't anemic. At that time I asked her to run a pregnancy test. She said that there was no way that I could have been pregnant but did it anyway. The next day she called to tell me my beta was 512!

I am absolutely devastated. I can't believe that I was pregnant the whole time. My RE is calling it a biochemical pregnancy and is saying that it probably wasn’t a healthy pregnancy but I am getting the feeling that they are trying to place blame elsewhere. I feel like I need some questions answered by a neutral party. I am having a hard time moving on so maybe you may be able to offer me some closure.

1.Should something have shown up on the beta 12dp3dt? If not, do you think it was a lab error?

2.Could it have shown as negative because of late implantation? If the cramping/spotting on the evening of the 16th was implantation, would HCG have shown up on the morning of the 19th?

3.I have a luteal phase defect. What effect/impact would stopping the PIO and Estrace have on the pregnancy? Do you think that stopping meds was the reason for the miscarriage?

4.My beta was 512 after bleeding for over a week (heavily). I would think it was much higher to start. Do you think that this would have been a healthy pregnancy?

5.Should the clinic have done a 2nd beta?

6.Any suggestions on where to go from here? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

D. from Boston, MA

Answer:

Hello D. from the U.S. (Boston),

Certainly what you have gone through is very unusual and unfortunate. It shows that late implantation exists. I usually do my first bHCG at 8-9 days post embryo transfer. I do two bHCG's, one at that time and another 48 hrs after. I have had a successful pregnancy case where the first bHCG was negative (<1) and the second positive (14) that went on to deliver a beautiful baby. Keep in mind, however, that there are no specific protocols regarding how many bHCG's to do and it is totally up to the medical director of your clinic.

I cannot answer the question about the cramping and spotting on the 16th. If you have a luteal phase defect, then yes, stopping the supplemental hormones can lead to a miscarriage. There is no way to know if this was the reason for your loss because there are many other possibilities as well, such as an abnormal embryo. I cannot answer your question about whether or not this pregnancy would have been healthy. The number was certainly a good and high number.

What is important to keep in mind at this point: This experience showed that you can achieve pregnancy. IVF only has the capability of giving you the opportunity to become pregnant. It cannot force a pregnancy on you. Keep in mind that the last two steps required to achieve pregnancy, embryo hatching and exiting the shell and implantation are natural steps. We don't have the technology to make these happen. That is why I say that IVF can only give you the opportunity. The last steps are in God's hands. The fact that implantation occurred (positive bHCG) shows that the last two steps took place and you can do it again.

Now you just have to maintain your hope, diligence and savvy. You've gotten this close. After all that you have been through, why would you not keep trying? Hopefully, the next one will be a "home run" or "touchdown" depending on which sport you prefer. If you don't try, you certainly won't be any closer to success, so don't give up!

Good Luck,
Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
http://www.montereybayivf.com/
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

A Little Miracle...Seven Years In The Making

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:17:00 +0000

I want to share a special story with you, my readers, about a couple who went through a recent IVF (in vitro fertilization) cycle with us. This couple had come to us back in 2004 for infertility treatment. After the normal trial of IUI's (intra uterine insemination) did not work, they opted to do IVF with us. The cycle went well, the retrieval went well and there were three embryos to transfer. While doing the transfer of all three embryos, one embryo "floated" (aspirated) back out of the catheter. This was an unusual event for me and my staff. The couple decided to freeze that one reluctant embryo. Unfortunately, the patient did not become pregnant with that cycle. As it so happens, she soon became pregnant naturally and in the ensuing years, as sometimes happens, they had no trouble conceiving again, having three children in all.

In the meantime, the frozen embryo remained in our cryobank storage facility. The couple elected to leave the embryo there for the last seven years until recently. Grappling with the options of either continuing to pay for storage, dispose of the embryo or put it up for adoption, the couple opted to go forward with a frozen embryo transfer. We transferred the one embryo successfully and crazy as it may seem, the patient is now pregnant! This child will be both the "oldest" and the "youngest" sibling by virtue of this unusual series of events.

I am a spiritual man, if you have not guessed already. For us, every child is special, but I have a feeling that this child will truly be a special one, for it is my belief that for some divine reason his or her birth was delayed. How often I feel defeated when a cycle does not succeed and yet when something like this happens, I know that we can only do what we can up until a certain point, at which time the final steps of creation are taken out of our hands. Which brings me to one of my favorite quotes from Deepak: "When you live your life with an appreciation of coincidences and their meanings, you connect with the underlying field of infinite possibilities."

Atypia Is NOT An Absolute Indication For Hysterectomy

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:52:00 +0000

Question:

Hi Dr. Ramirez,

I'm a Canadian, temporarily living in South Africa. Greetings from Pretoria!

I'm 44 yrs old, diagnosed with PCOS at age 33, on metformin 500mg 2/day since then. I've got about 45 pounds to lose and have been slowly and steadily losing pounds since May (5 kg). I've never been able to get pregnant and throughout my 20s and early 30s, I went months without menstruation. Weight came on very quickly. I exercise regularly.

My new gyne here found a myoma in my uterus in August during my yearly exam. I had bleeding between periods almost every day for a few months. Some days it was spotting; other days it was heavier. The myoma was removed hysteroscopically and examined. The biopsy of the tumour shows atypical cells and the lab report summarizes the microscopy as "these features are most suggestive of an adenomyomatous (endometrial) polyp with focal atypia against the background of a proliferative endometrium."

I understand I need to remove my uterus.The doctor can do the surgery vaginally. Is uterus removal the best course of action? What can I do to prepare my body for no uterus? And Is there anything I can do to protect my ovaries going forward?

Thanks for your help in advance. S. from South Africa

Answer:

Hello S. from Canada and South Africa,

Atypia is NOT a absolute indication for hysterectomy, so no, you don't necessarily need to have your uterus removed. Atypia is not cancer, it is a pre-cancerous finding. It is possible that the only area of atypia was already removed, which then would have solved the problem. A repeat D&C should be done to evaluate the rest of the endometrial tissue. Also you should be cycles for three months then rechecked again by endometrial biopsy or D&C. If there is no abnormality found, then no other testing or treatment needs to be done other than keep you cycling on the birth control pill.

However, if you want you uterus out, and that is understandable, it is certainly a option for you and a vaginal hysterectomy would be fine. Make sure that your doctor keeps the ovaries intact i.e. does not remove them. You still need them to produce adequate hormone that your body needs. It's your choice. Make sure your doctor understands and is told that you want to keep your ovaries. There is absolutely no reason to have them removed.

Thank you for your question all the way from South Aftrica, addressing a problem that many women around the world face as well.

Good luck,

Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
www.montereybayivf.com
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

Comment: Thank you Dr. Ramirez! Very timely and useful.

Why Do I Need HCG Injections After Ovulation During IUI Cycle?

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Wed, 05 Oct 2011 17:54:00 +0000

Question:

Dr. Ramirez,

My husband and I have been trying to start our family for a few years. I have been pregnant and miscarried 3 times, but is has been over a year and a half since my last miscarriage. I am seeing a Reproductive Endocrinologist and their diagnosis for not getting pregnant again is unexplained infertility. We have are trying the IUI process now using Letrozole and I have also been given a prescription to do HCG injections on days 3, 6, and 9 past my LH surge. I am not finding very much information about using HCG after ovulation. I know their reasoning is to supplement my progesterone... but not sure why then, they don't just use progesterone? Please help!

Thank you! G. from Colorado

Answer:

Hello G. from the U.S. (Colorado),

HCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) injections can be used to support the luteal phase in place of progesterone and there is nothing wrong with that protocol. Most don't use that method because you have to take it as injections and the medication is considerably more expensive. There are many progesterone alternatives such as Crinone, Endometrin, Prometrium that can be used vaginally as a supplement. You should ask your doctor why they don't just use a progesterone supplement.

The other question to ask is "what are they treating or trying to achieve"? Do they suspect that your miscarriages are due to a luteal phase defect i.e. decreased progesterone? In that case testing by an end of cycle endometrial biopsy for dating and/or b-integrin would have diagnosed luteal phase defect and your diagnosis would not be "unexplained infertility." I am not a strong believer in "unexplained infertility" as a real entity. I think it is more like undiagnosed infertility. The cause just has not been found because either a test has not been done to find it or doesn't exist. Often we find that many of these cases of fertilization failures or defects with the sperm (found at the time of IVF) or endometriosis found on laparoscopy. Sometimes age is the problem as well leading to poor embryo quality.

Your question is a good one and you should ask your doctor. Be sure they explain everything to you!

Good Luck,
Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
www.montereybayivf.com
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

Comment: Thank you so much... for all of your information and quick response! I will follow up with my doctor.

Patient On Metformin To Prevent Miscarriage: Is It Necessary?

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Sat, 01 Oct 2011 13:44:00 +0000

Question:

HI Dr. Ramirez,

Sorry to keep this up about the Metformin, but you have been so helpful in the past...thought I would try your take on this.

I talked with my Doc about low dose heparin, and he told me that he does not prescribe this unless tested and confirmed thrombophilia is present, which he says I do not have. He would really like me to take the metformin. I have had one chemical pregnancy and one 9 week miscarriage and am currently 5 weeks pregnant. I took his advice and so far have taken 5 pills. I am extremely nauseated, which I know is from the Metformin as a few hours after it started. I REALLY DO NOT want to take this stuff after just recovering from OHSS. IS there any greater risk of miscarriage stopping now that I've started, and is there a greater risk of miscarriage if I don't take this med. I would love your thoughts on metformin and PCOS. Many sites are saying it really helps in the early stages of pregnancy for PCOS women to stay pregnant.

Thanks so much for your time....once again! C. from Canada

Answer:

Hello C. from Canada,

Metformin does nothing to help with a continuation of pregnancy and does not need to be continued once pregnant unless it was prescribed for diabetes. It is a pregnancy category B medication so is safe in pregnancy if your doctor insists that you continue it. If you were my patient, you would not be on it now. Metformin, given to help some PCO patients ovulate, is for that specific reason only. Once pregnant, the Metformin has done its job and is no longer required. If it is causing side effects, which it usually does, then I think I would recommend that you stop. There are absolutely NO recent studies that show that continuation of Metformin in PCO patients helps the pregnancy to survive or continue. Pregnancies continue or miscarry for many other reasons. Your doctor is mistaken but since he is the doctor you have chosen for your care, you have to decide if you are going to abide by his recommendations or not.

By the way, based on his comment about heparin, it is clear to me that he doesn't understand its use in recurrent miscarriage patients or infertility patients. It is obvious that he is not a specialist in that field.

P.S. Regardless of what many sites may be saying on the internet, you are wise to ask the advice of a medical professional.

Good luck,

Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
http://www.montereybayivf.com/
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

Ovulation Induction With Follistim Keeps Failing & Estradiol Remains Low

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:36:00 +0000

Question:

We are currently TTC our 2nd baby. My daughter who is 2 was conceived on our second cycle of follistim75iu. We are currently on our 4th cycle of Follistim 75iu. Each cycle I'm told my estradiol is low and they end up increasing my dose of Follistim to 150 iu and even by the time I trigger it's still on the low side.

I understand that ideally estradiol should be 200-250per mature follicle. But this cycle it is 110 with follicle sizes of a 14 and a11. So at this point of my cycle what should it be since they are not mature follicles? Also last cycle they had me do hcg booster shots after ovulation because I had a low estradiol (it was 80) 7 days after ovulation the cycle prior. The boosters helped increase my estradiol to 354. My concern is do the boosters really help achieve pregnancy or are they just masking a bigger problem?? Thanks in advance, S. from Pennsylvania, U.S.A.

Answer:

Hello S. from the U.S. (Pennsylvania),

There is no fixed protocol when using gonadotropins such as Follistim. Basically, these medications are the hormone FSH which is the hormone that your brain produces to stimulate the ovary to produce a mature follicle for ovulation. If the amount of hormone is insufficient to do this, then it has to be increased and this is usually done on an incremental basis.

For example, it may be started at 75IU but every three to four days, and estradiol level can be drawn and checked to see if it is increasing. If it is increasing then starting on cycle day #9, an ultrasound is done to evaluate the ovaries and see how many follicles are present, what their sizes are and when to trigger. In your case it sounds like that is not being done. For some reason, your doctor is fixated on keeping the same dosage. I'm not sure I understand why.

You are correct about the estradiol level of a mature follicle. If your follicle does not reach the mature size18-20 mms, then the estradiol level will not reach the appropriate size either. Basically the follicle increases in size by increasing the number of cells. Think of it as a chain of cells in a circle. These cells to increase in size, rather, more cells are added to the chain and each cell produces some estradiol. That is why as the follicle increases, more estradiol is emitted. In order for the follicles to grow more cells, increasing amounts of FSH is required. So, if your doctor stops the dosage at 150IU and it is not enough FSH to stimulate follicular growth, then nothing will happen. He needs to keep increasing the dosage until the follicle grows appropriately. Once the follicle reaches the ovulatory size of 18-24 mms, then ovulation can be triggered with HCG (a substitute for the LH surge you would produce in a natural cycle).

The "HCG booster shots" do nothing to help the estradiol rise. Rather, this was merely a coincidence. The growing follicle causes the increased estradiol. The HCG can be used after ovulation to help prime the enodmetrial lining for ovulation. Some clinics use this instead of progesterone. It is also used to trigger ovulation, as I've mentioned previously.

Based on the information you have given me, I'm wondering if you are seeing the right doctor. Your doctor may be comfortable with using Follistim, but is he really an infertility specialist i.e. have a thorough knowledge of the gonadotropins to use them for IVF (in vitro fertilization) if he has to? There are many Ob/Gyn docs that feel comfortable with ovulation induction and use gonadotropins like Follistim on a protocol basis, but in reality, don't know what they are doing. Could you be in that type of situation? Maybe it is time for a second opinion. The best way to find an infertility specialist is to simply ask the clinic or doctor, "Do you do IVF?".

Good Luck,
Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
http://www.montereybayivf.com/
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

Secondary Infertility: Decreased Ovarian Reserve And Low Morphology May Be The Culprits

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:45:00 +0000

Hello,

I just turned 33 and I have one beautiful 18 mo little girl who is the love of my life. She was conceived on our 3rd iui using 5mg of Femara. My husband has low morphology (6%) and I have no regular periods. We both exercise / eat as we should and have no other health issues. We are considered unexplained infertility.

For the past 6mos we have been trying to conceive. I just had a large polyp removed and my fsh levels were tested. 2 1/2 years ago they were 7.0. 6 weeks ago they were 12.1. We are trying to figure out what to do next. We definitely want another child (And we would be open to 3). My questions are:

1) What do you recommend for medication? Is Femera a good starting point? Should we use the same dosage or higher?

2) Should we try an IUI or go straight to IVF?

3) Are there any "rules of thumb" for why FSH increases and how quickly it increases? I've heard stress can impact it. Thanks in advance for your help. C. from Washington State

Answer:

Hello C. from the U.S.,

Congratulations on achieving your first baby relatively easily. You do not have "unexplained" infertility as you have two reasons: sperm abnormality/low motility and irregular periods (ovulation dysfunction). Those are reasons enough to prevent spontaneous pregnancies.

In terms of your FSH level, I have to presume that it was drawn on cycle day #2 or 3, because that is the proper time to do this test and the only way that it an be interpreted. If it was, the elevated FSh level of 12.1 is not a good finding. This is called "decreased ovarian reserve", which basically means that your ovaries will be more resistant and less productive if stimulated with fertility medications. It is not an indication of ovarian function, but is somewhat of a time clock. Once the FSH level reaches 15, most IVF clinics will require you to use donor eggs. When it reaches 20, it means you are in menopause, which in your young age would be classified as premature ovarian failure. So from a time perspective, that means you don't have a lot of time to waste.

Certainly IUI is an option for you, and somewhat reasonable since it worked before. The FSH level will have no bearing on its chances of success. Chances of success depends on age and the sperm problem. If you wanted to do IUI first, I would limit it to no more than 4 attempts. You can use Femara, Clomid or injectables for these attempts and even alternate them, but don't waste a lot of time. Keep in mind that the chances of pregnancy with IUI in your age group is 20% per attempt. By four attempts you should be pregnant, otherwise the statistical chances drop dramatically after that.

If the IUI's fail, then you need to progress aggressively and quickly, especially if you want to have more than one more child. In that case I would recommend proceeding to IVF with ICSI. This will give you a 74% chance of pregnancy per attempt in my clinic (and is the treatment level that most infertility specialists would recommend with an FSH level above 10. Most would recommend not even to try the IUI).

I can't tell you why the fSH is elevated. That is an unknown.

Good Luck,

Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
www.montereybayivf.com
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

Use Of Prednisone And Lovenox For IVF Cycle With Donor Eggs: How Long?

noreply@blogger.com (Dr. Edward Ramirez, MD, FACOG) — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:04:00 +0000

Question:

Dr. Ramirez:

I am a 44-yr old with a history of numerous IVF attempts. Miraculously, cycle 1 (2007) with my own egg (yes, only one egg was retrieved) resulted in a healthy baby. 1 additional IVF attempt (2009) with my own egg - unsuccessful. Subsequently, 4 IVF attempts with two different donors (some fresh, some frozen cycles) were also unsuccessful. With each attempt, the blastocysts were high-grade, and other recipients of same donor's eggs resulted in pregnancies.

For my current cycle, which begins this week, we will be using a cryopreserved embryo, and physician is adding two medications: Prednisolone 25 mg daily, starting 10 days before transfer, and Lovenox 40mg daily, starting 2 days prior to transfer. If successful, plan is to continue both meds (along with Estrogen and Progesterone injections) for the first trimester. This seems like an extremely large dose of prednisolone and lengthy duration. I am concerned about the potential side effects on me, as well as the developing fetus, assuming a positive outcome. Do you have any experience and/or information regarding the prednisolone and Lovenox? Thank you, C. from the U.S.

Answer:

Hello C. from the U.S.,

In my patients that fail 2 IVF cycles, I automatically add prednisone, Heparin (lovenox can be used as well). All my IVF patients get the prednisone (I use medrol), low dose aspirin, progesterone and estrogen, so in reality the only thing that is new is the heparin/lovenox. Because of the potential effects on the developing fetus, I do not use the prednisone longer that the first pregnancy test. The heparin, aspirin, progesterone and estrogen are continued until the patient reaches 10 weeks gestational age. In patients that have a history of recurrent miscarriages, I will sometimes continue the medications until 12 weeks gestational age.

I start the heparin (lovenox) with the start of the IVF cycle, just like I do with the prednisone and aspirin.

Incidentally, your experience with a pregnancy in the first IVF cycle with only one embryo transferred, at the age of 40, is the reason why I DON'T ever cancel a cycle if there is only 1-3 follicles. My belief is that this one egg may lead to the one perfect embryo left and I would hate to lose the opportunity to get a pregnancy from it. It may be a lower chance, but it is still the best chance that you've got. So I am glad to hear that your docs continued the cycle and did not cancel it like so many do!

Good luck with your upcoming donor cycle.

Dr. Edward J. Ramirez, M.D., FACOG
Executive Medical Director
The Fertility and Gynecology Center
Monterey Bay IVF Program
http://www.montereybayivf.com/
Monterey, California, U.S.A.

Comment: Thank you very much for your expert opinion and extremely timely response! I greatly appreciate your time and expertise.