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they power</subtitle><link rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/" /><link rel="next" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25&amp;redirect=false&amp;v=2" /><author><name>aeroturbopower</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><generator version="7.00" uri="http://www.blogger.com">Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>153</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><atom10:link xmlns:atom10="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" 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style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;The Air Show is only three days away now and we have the first flight of the A350. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;So, no wonder that we see a lot of news stories coming out. Here are some of them:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;1. &lt;a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/13/us-eads-airshow-idUSBRE95C17K20130613" target="_blank"&gt;Enders expects orders for "hundreds" of Airbus aicraft:&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.de/2013/04/why-is-leahy-so-pessimistic.html" target="_blank"&gt;As I wrote earlier&lt;/a&gt; I always thought that John Leahy and Tom Enders were overly pessimistic with&amp;nbsp;their forecast of &lt;a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323468604578247323952742966.html" target="_blank"&gt;"only" 700 orders&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/18/airbus-targets-idUSL6N0CAEQ320130318" target="_blank"&gt;later expecting&amp;nbsp;700-750 orders&lt;/a&gt;, later upping that number to&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/29/us-eads-shareholders-idUSBRE94S0NQ20130529" target="_blank"&gt;more than 800&lt;/a&gt;. At the end of May there were 517 net and 493 net orders.&amp;nbsp;Add 102 orders for Lufthansa (30 A320ceo, 70 A320neo and 2 A380), then add Air France for 25 A350-900, add 100 A320 for Air China and Shenzen, another 18 A330 and 42 A320 for CASC and you already have 804 net orders - all these orders are announced. Then add the "hundreds" we will see next week and Airbus will easily have more than 1,000 net orders for the year with the Dubai Air Show still to come...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;2. &lt;a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/13/us-easyjet-order-idUSBRE95C0SH20130613" target="_blank"&gt;Airbus is now (again) the front runner at easyjet&lt;/a&gt;. We will see how that campaign&amp;nbsp;ends up. I guess it is not over yet and I do not expect&amp;nbsp;the deal to be finished during the Paris Air Show. Profit margins for the winning manufacturers (aircraft &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; engines)&amp;nbsp;will probably be dismal.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;3. Not unexpected: &lt;a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323734304578543762260626432.html" target="_blank"&gt;Boeing will launch the B787-10 at PAS13&lt;/a&gt;. This was in the "rumour mill" for a long time now. Boeing will kick-start the B787-10 with a bunch of orders from Singapore Airlines (which already came forward), United, ALC and British Airways. I could imagine one or two other "surprise" customers.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial;"&gt;4. &lt;a href="http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/boeing-expects-paris-2013-to-be-widebody-show-387031/" target="_blank"&gt;Rany Tinseth thinks that this will be the Show of the Widebodies&lt;/a&gt;. Hmm, &lt;a href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.de/2013/05/paris-air-show-2013-widebody-show.html" target="_blank"&gt;read that somewhere before&lt;/a&gt; I think. He should definitely be right about that!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~4/GK0mvAlHYOw" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/feeds/6189375116507953090/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/06/pre-paris-air-show-tidbits.html#comment-form" title="0 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/6189375116507953090?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/6189375116507953090?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~3/GK0mvAlHYOw/pre-paris-air-show-tidbits.html" title="Pre Paris Air Show tidbits" /><author><name>aeroturbopower</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/06/pre-paris-air-show-tidbits.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;AkYDR34zfCp7ImA9WhFSEE8.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8118460937928958757.post-3262269189852294327</id><published>2013-06-12T05:09:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2013-06-12T05:09:36.084-04:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-06-12T05:09:36.084-04:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="CSeries" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="EJet" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Paris Air Show" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Lufthansa" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Embraer" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Jetblue" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="EJet G2" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Bombardier" /><title>Embraer EJets G2 launch at Paris Air Show</title><content type="html">
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Embraer will host a press conference regarding commercial
aviation during the Paris Air Show next week on Monday (see the press release &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.newswiretoday.com/news/129874/"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;). My strong guess is
that this is where we will see the official launch of the EJet G2 Series.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;And I guess Embraer will not only announce the official go-ahead
but also will announce one or more first customers for the three-member strong
family.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;There are a lot of potential candidates:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;If you read this &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://investor.jetblue.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=131045&amp;amp;p=IROL-secToc&amp;amp;TOC=aHR0cDovL2FwaS50ZW5rd2l6YXJkLmNvbS9vdXRsaW5lLnhtbD9yZXBvPXRlbmsmaXBhZ2U9ODkxMjM0MSZzdWJzaWQ9NTc%3d&amp;amp;ListAll=1&amp;amp;sXBRL=1"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;10-Q
statement&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt; from jetblue carefully, you see that there is a potential order
in it. Hint: page 11 and 23 Although it is unlikely that jetblue will act again
as a launch customer, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/awx_04_22_2013_p0-571968.xml"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;according
to CEO Barger&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Flybe deferred delivery for 16 E175 by three or four years
to 2017-2019. We have to wait until Monday probably, if that leaves the
possibility to take the G2 version of the E175, as Flightglobal suggested &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/flybe-deferral-opens-path-to-re-engined-embraers-386296/"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;.
According to a &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.hmgaerospace.com/news/show/5209"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;pre-show
briefing by GKN Aerospace&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;, the E175G2 would be available from 2019. This
would be too late, as only a few of these 16 deferred E175 could be taken in
the G2 version. Interestingly the chart shows that the E190/E195 are expected
in 2017 and 2018, whereas Embraer previously said that the EJets G2 are
scheduled to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/awx_01_08_2013_p0-534517.xml"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;enter
the market in 2018&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Steven Udvar-Hazy &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/paris-stage-set-for-new-e-jet-launch-and-orders-386533/"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;praised
the G2 version&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt; and could be an early customer.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Republic Airways as the largest operator of&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;EJets worldwide would be a natural candidate
as well as Azul as the largest customer for the E195.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Lufthansa also has a sizeable fleet of E190 &amp;amp; E195 but
also has the CS100 and CS300 on order (through Swiss). Rumors are there that
the options for 30 more CSeries will be converted into firm orders sooner or
later.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;New scope clauses at United Airlines allow for more 70
seater regional jets, if a “new small narrowbody” (90-120 seats) will be
introduced for the mainline fleet. This “new small narrowbody” could either be
the CS100 or the E190&amp;amp;E195. If it is the CS100, the CS300 would make sense
also as a replacement for the A319 and the B737-700.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Other large customers are Hainan (50 E190) and Air Canada (15
E175 &amp;amp; 45 E190). The E175 are now in the process of being turned over the
Sky Regional though.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;I would not be surprised if Embraer has more orders for the
reengined E190 and E195 at the end of next week than Bombardier has for the
CSeries. But as the EJets already have a position with a large customer base in
the market, the CSeries still has to find their customer base and is closer to
the Airbus and Boeing models, thus has to fight with more “brutal enemies”. So
one should not see more orders for the EJets than for the CSeries as a bad sign
for the CSeries.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~4/xWYNa4dvRm0" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/feeds/3262269189852294327/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/06/embraer-ejets-g2-launch-at-paris-air.html#comment-form" title="1 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/3262269189852294327?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/3262269189852294327?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~3/xWYNa4dvRm0/embraer-ejets-g2-launch-at-paris-air.html" title="Embraer EJets G2 launch at Paris Air Show" /><author><name>aeroturbopower</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><thr:total>1</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/06/embraer-ejets-g2-launch-at-paris-air.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;DEICRn09cSp7ImA9WhFTGEo.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8118460937928958757.post-1261103054073521923</id><published>2013-06-06T04:11:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2013-06-10T11:02:47.369-04:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-06-10T11:02:47.369-04:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Airbus" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="A320NEO" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="PW1100G" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="PW" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="CFM" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="LEAP-1A" /><title>A320neo engine orders at Paris Air Show</title><content type="html">&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;The ever-entertaining story about
market share on the A320neo family goes into another round at the Paris Air
Show. Two years ago CFM hit back hard at P&amp;amp;W during the Air Show. P&amp;amp;W
had won the first round of orders back then with ILFC first committing to the PW1100G
for 60 of their 100 aircraft strong A320neo order. Also Indigo choose the
Geared Turbo Fan as well as Lufthansa.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Then CFM came back after redesigning
the LEAP-1A with another (7th) stage of low pressure turbine and a slightly
larger fan (78" instead of 75") to gain SFC. CFM then won SAS, Republic,
Air Asia, GECAS (no surprise here), the remaining 40 aircraft from ILFC and
Virgin America and was in a comfortable lead. During the last two years each of
the two manufacturers won a deal here and there and the CFM consortium is still
ahead with about 53% of the engine orders. So let's take a look at the A320neo
orders which do not have an (announced) engine decision yet and how the picture &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;could change after the Paris Air
Show.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;One very obvious decision would be
that Air Asia will order the LEAP-1A for their second round of A320neo orders
(64 aircraft). Outcome: CFM wins!&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;The largest open decision is that of
Lion Air. There were rumors over at leeham.net that Lion choose the GTF, but as
Lion Air CEO Rusdi Kirana said that he also thinks about leasing some of the
aircraft on order to other airlines a split order would also be a possibility.
Anyway, an order for the GTF would be a bit of a steal for P&amp;amp;W, giving that
as of now Lion is (of course) a really big CFM customer. Outcome: open!&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;The next one (from a volume
perspective) is American. The pending merger process with US Airways will
probably delay things here after the merger is completed, but anything seems
possible here after AA ordered the CFM56 for the A319ceo and the V2500 for the
A321ceo. Outcome: open!&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Pegasus should choose the PW1100G if
they want to hold on their deliveries starting in 2015, but they said that the
final delivery schedule will depend on the engine selection. Outcome: small
advantage for P&amp;amp;W&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Lufthansa for their next round of 70
aircraft should choose again the PW1100G if they really want to streamline
their fleet in the future. But they also have both engines on their current
A320 fleet...outcome: open!&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Air China and Shenzen just committed
to a combined 60 A320neo's. Both airlines operate fleets with both current
engines, so I would guess they will also split their order for the neo engines.
In the end the Chinese want to learn from both engines.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Turkish Airlines is a current
IAE/V2500 customer for their A320 fleet, but of course also a large CFM
customer as they have an almost equal number of B737NG's in their current
fleet. The B737MAX order could benefit CFM in the neo engine
negotiations...outcome: open!&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Norwegian: already selected PW1100G
for 50 aircraft - as there are rumors that Norwegian wants to start in the
leasing business they could go for the LEAP-1A for the remaining 50 (see Lion
Air). Outcome: open, depending on what Norwegian really wants to do with all
their aircraft on order. CFM has an edge IF the A320neo are destined (at least
in part) for leasing.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;ALC: this will very likely be a
split between both engines.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;LATAM will probably make a joint
decision for their two separate orders from former LAN and TAM. As both former separate
airlines have both ceo engines in their fleet, the outcome of the decision is completely
open. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;As for Spirit Airlines it is a
must-win for P&amp;amp;W as Spirit is a loyal V2500 customer. All airlines in which
Indigo Partners have a stake ordered the V2500. The only unknown is the outcome
of the bidding process for Frontier Airlines - if Indigo Partners succeed here
and Spirit and Frontier will be merged that could change the picture: Outcome: advantage
for P&amp;amp;W.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Interjet: currently operates an
CFM56 powered A320 fleet, so CFM should be in the frontrunner position.
Outcome: advantage CFM!&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Volaris: see Spirit - a must-win for
P&amp;amp;W!&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;BOC Aviation: split buy! Same of
ICBC and Avolon. And I would expect ACG to order the PW1100G for their
remaining 12 aircraft on order.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Kuwait Airways operates CFM and GE
powered aircraft today, so CFM should have an edge.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Philippine Airways: rumored to have
chosen the GTF. Would be a steal if true!&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Transaero has a large B737NG fleet
today, so CFM should have it's grip on that deal. Advantage CFM!&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Of course I don't know which of these open decisions will be
announced at the Paris Air Show. Most of the decisions look like to be
completely open and as some of the deliveries are still far out some of the customers still have plenty of time to choose!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Airbus has, including the to-be-firmed order from Air China and Shenzen Airlines for a &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;combined 60 A320neo (and 40 A320ceo) 2273 firm orders and commitments for the A320neo family (see order lists for both aircraft &lt;a href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.de/p/a320neo-vs-b737max.html" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; or at &lt;a href="http://www.pdxlight.com/neomax.htm" target="_blank"&gt;pdxlight&lt;/a&gt;).
What looks like a comfortable lead for Airbus looks a little bit different when the 2 year lead in production for the A320neo is considered. Two years of production at 42 aircraft per month means that Airbus will have produced roughly 1000 of the reengined aircraft more once both production lines at Airbus and Boeing are producing the A320neo and B737MAX at full capacity. In the case of Airbus, the new production line in Mobile could add extra capacity for 4 aircraft a month in the final assembly, although it is not clear if all suppliers could produce the parts to build these extra 4 aircraft. But Boeing is also looking at producing more than 42 B737 a month, although production at Boeing will only hit that target next year.
So with a difference in orders and commitments of 802 aircraft right now, the backlog at Airbus would be burned down earlier than at Boeing. That means in turn that Airbus has - theoretically - an "earlier availability" advantage - although having significantly more orders. &lt;br /&gt;
We will see how that picture maybe changes after the Paris Air Show, where traditionally Airbus announces the majority of orders. The maybe most awaited order might not be ready for the Paris Air Show though, as easyjet already said that the order would come in the &lt;a href="http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2325367/EasyJet-braces-scrap-Sir-Stelios-Haji-Ioannou-new-aircraft.html" target="_blank"&gt;second half of the year&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
There are more fleet decisions looming. Jet Airways has maybe already placed an order for 50 B737MAX (&lt;a href="http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/morning_call/2013/05/indian-airline-planning-boeing-737-order.html" target="_blank"&gt;or maybe not but will place an order&lt;/a&gt;). &lt;a href="http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/jet-airways-to-order-50-boeing-737-max-planes-capa-113050900664_1.html" target="_blank"&gt;Reports from CAPA that they will also order 50 A320neo for JetKonnect were (somehow) disputed&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
Flydubai is also in the hunt for new narrowbody aircraft but common sense is that they will announce their order at the Dubai Airshow in November. As discussions for all these (possible) orders began months or in some cases years ago, delivery slots should not play a big role here, but if an airline is starting discussions now, early availability could play a role. Airbus might have an edge here for the reengined mode. On the other side, Boeing should have an edge if the airline wants an aircraft in 2014 or 2015. B737NG's should be still available in pretty good numbers (&lt;a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/ryanairs-bargain-buy-from-boeing-8635330.html" target="_blank"&gt;at 2005 prices if you negotiate long and hard enough...&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~4/-dK5WnKjpOo" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/feeds/7453602017669091308/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/05/b737max-vs-a320neo-backlog-comparison.html#comment-form" title="0 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/7453602017669091308?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/7453602017669091308?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~3/-dK5WnKjpOo/b737max-vs-a320neo-backlog-comparison.html" title="B737MAX vs. A320neo: Backlog Comparison" /><author><name>aeroturbopower</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/05/b737max-vs-a320neo-backlog-comparison.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;DUUNRnkyeyp7ImA9WhBbF00.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8118460937928958757.post-8795656538205492568</id><published>2013-05-16T03:07:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2013-05-16T08:28:17.793-04:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-05-16T08:28:17.793-04:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Boeing" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="A320ceo" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="B737MAX" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Airbus" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Southwest Airlines" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="B737-700NG" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="A320NEO" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="B737MAX-7" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="B737-800NG" /><title>Southwest launches the B737MAX-7</title><content type="html">Yesterday &lt;a href="http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&amp;amp;item=2676" target="_blank"&gt;Boeing&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/southwest-airlines-returns-value-to-shareholders-207541011.html" target="_blank"&gt;Southwest Airlines&lt;/a&gt; announced that SWA will be the launch customer of the B737MAX-7. The launch of the B737MAX-7 with an order for 30 aircraft of that type comes with&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;a cancellation of 30 orders for the B737-700NG&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Southwest substituting 5 -700NG to the -800NG variant&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Southwest firming 5 options for the -800NG&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;the cancellation of 5 options for NG aircraft&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Southwest will therefore take 146 B737NG between 2013 until 2018 (137 aircraft from today as 9 have already been delivered this year), 25 less than planned before. Southwest says they are saving $500million by that, implying a price of $40 million per aircraft (no surprise here...).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So Boeing now has a launch customer for the -MAX7. Of course we can't know the exact wording of the contract, but, anyway, the customer is the king and here is my two cents worth of thoughts for that:&lt;br /&gt;
Could it be that Southwest agreed to be the -MAX7 launch customer&amp;nbsp;only to get rid of "surplus" B737NG (in particular -700NG) orders? Is there some provisioning in the contract to switch these -MAX7 orders to the -MAX8 variant just as Southwest now is constantly switching -700NG orders over to the -800NG? And even if there is no provisioning in the contract today - the possibility to do so was integrated into the current -NG contracts just about 2 years ago.&lt;br /&gt;
Southwest has taken only few -700NG's since the first -800NG arrived: 11 in 2012 after 19 in 2011, They won't take any in 2013 and 2014. In contrast Southwest&amp;nbsp;integrated 30 -800NG into the fleet in&amp;nbsp;2012 and&amp;nbsp;9 this year with another 9 to follow until December and another 36 in 2014.&lt;br /&gt;
The reason to prefer the -800Ng is clearly unit cost! With 175 seats the fixed costs like pilot salaries are shared by 27% more seats that can be filled. Most of the low cost competitors are flying larger aircraft than the -700NG, like the A320 (Jetblue, Virgin America, Spirit). Also the A319 is a little bit larger than the -700NG, so it has a competitive disadvantage.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
First delivery of the B737MAX-7 is planned for 2019, so&amp;nbsp;we have to wait about 6 years to know if yesterdays order&amp;nbsp;for the -MAX7 will&amp;nbsp;really lead to&amp;nbsp;deliveries of that aircraft.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Another "first" here is that Boeing agreed to convert orders for the -NG to the -MAX. Airbus until today &amp;nbsp;refused to convert existing orders for the A320ceo to the A320neo and at least officially there is no case known until today where Airbus did that. Now that Boeing has a first exemplar of order conversion it is possible that more customer will ask for a conversion.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
UPDATE. I have to stand&amp;nbsp; - at least partially - corrected: Southwest also said that they will buy 10 used B737-700NG for delivery in 2014 and 2015. &lt;a href="http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/news/2013/05/07/calgarys-westjet-to-buy-10-boeing.html" target="_blank"&gt;My strong guess is that these will come from WestJet&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~4/38u5GYI_jqE" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/feeds/8795656538205492568/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/05/southwest-launches-b737max-7.html#comment-form" title="1 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/8795656538205492568?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/8795656538205492568?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~3/38u5GYI_jqE/southwest-launches-b737max-7.html" title="Southwest launches the B737MAX-7" /><author><name>aeroturbopower</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><thr:total>1</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/05/southwest-launches-b737max-7.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;DE4NRn86fSp7ImA9WhBUGEk.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8118460937928958757.post-7864093265856088508</id><published>2013-05-06T09:29:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2013-05-06T09:29:57.115-04:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-05-06T09:29:57.115-04:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="A350" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Boeing" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Emirates" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Airbus" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="B777X" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Qatar Airways" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="B787" /><title>Paris Air Show 2013 - The Widebody Show</title><content type="html">After the 2011 edition of the Paris Air Show was dominated by the A320neo, this year seems to be the show of the Widebodies. The usual suspects as Emirates and Qatar will surely play a major role here, as we can read &lt;a href="http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international-business/qatar-airways-look-to-buy-airbus-confirm-boeing-787s/articleshow/19914259.cms" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (as for Qatar) and &lt;a href="http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/05/06/uk-emirates-boeing-idUKBRE9450E620130506" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (as for Emirates). Although the B777X is not mentioned in the first article we can be sure that Qatar will also be one of the first customers for the then largest twin. Probably not only the B777X will get it's first orders but also the B787-10 will see a formal launch with a first wave of orders. Airbus, of course, will try&amp;nbsp;not to stand by and have it's own order book filled, mainly that of the A350.&lt;br /&gt;
The future of the A380 could play a role&amp;nbsp;in conjunction with the launch of the B777X as&amp;nbsp;the seat costs of the double decker will come under pressure once the B777-9 will enter service. So we might hear what Airbus has on it's plate for 2020 and beyond, &lt;a href="http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2013/05/06/emirates-on-the-next-gulf-war-between-a-and-b/" target="_blank"&gt;as also Ben Sandilands suggests - although he thinks that might need a little bit&amp;nbsp;more time&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~4/EBqALt0yKeM" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/feeds/7864093265856088508/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/05/paris-air-show-2013-widebody-show.html#comment-form" title="0 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/7864093265856088508?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/7864093265856088508?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~3/EBqALt0yKeM/paris-air-show-2013-widebody-show.html" title="Paris Air Show 2013 - The Widebody Show" /><author><name>aeroturbopower</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/05/paris-air-show-2013-widebody-show.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;DE8ARXg5fip7ImA9WhBVGUo.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8118460937928958757.post-6031484094557694896</id><published>2013-04-26T04:04:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2013-04-26T07:47:24.626-04:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-04-26T07:47:24.626-04:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="CSeries" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="MRJ" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="PW1400G" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="PW1500G" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="prattandwhitney" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="purepowerengine" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="MS21" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="A320NEO" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="PW1100G" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="PW1200G" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Embraer" /><title>Geared Turbo Fan Backlog Secrets</title><content type="html">The P&amp;amp;W press release revealing the selection of the PW1133G for the A321neo for Hawaiian Airlines states that the Geared Turbo Fan Family now has more than 3,500 announced and&amp;nbsp;unannounced orders and options. I wondered how much&amp;nbsp;unannounced orders there are and tried&amp;nbsp;to&amp;nbsp;do a breakdown of the&amp;nbsp;announced orders.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;PW1100G&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;This is the A320neo engine. If I am right, this is what the flying and non-flying public knows as of today:&lt;br /&gt;
Indigo&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 150&amp;nbsp;A/C - 300 engines&lt;br /&gt;
GoAir&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;72 A/C - 144 engines&lt;br /&gt;
ILFC&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 60 A/C - 120 engines&lt;br /&gt;
ALAFCO&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 50 A/C - 100 engines&lt;br /&gt;
Qatar&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 50 A/C - 100 engines + 30 A/C options&lt;br /&gt;
Norwegian&amp;nbsp; 50 A/C - 100 engines + 50 A/C options&lt;br /&gt;
jetblue&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 40 A/C -&amp;nbsp; 80 engines&lt;br /&gt;
Lufthansa&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 30 A/C -&amp;nbsp; 60 engines&lt;br /&gt;
Cebu&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 30 A/C -&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 60 engines&lt;br /&gt;
CIT&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 30 A/C -&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;60 engines&lt;br /&gt;
Hawaiian&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 16 A/C -&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 32 engines + 9 A/C options&lt;br /&gt;
Transasia&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 12 A/C -&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;24 engines&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This is 1,180 engine&amp;nbsp;in total - plus spares, so maybe we should add 5% for around 1,239 engines.&lt;br /&gt;
The 89 A/C options would count for another 187 engines including options for a grand total of 1,426 engines.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;PW1500G&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The CSeries engine. According to Bombardier there are 148 firm orders and commitments for 69 more (32 from Ilyushin Finance, 12 from Porter, 15 from an Unnamed Customer and 5 from Atlasjet). Altogether 217 aircraft or some 456 engines including 5% spares. If I am right there are options for another 142 aircraft and these would be "worth" another 298 engines including spares.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;PW1200G&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The MRJ has 165 firm orders. 15 (+10 options)&amp;nbsp;from ANA, 50 (+50 options)&amp;nbsp;from Trans States and 100 (+100 options) from Skywest - some 347 engines including spares or 683 including options and their 5% spares.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;PW1400G&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The Irkut MS21 part of the story is the most difficult. I only know that Ilyushin Finance&amp;nbsp; choose the PW1400G so far for their 50 aircraft, so let's count 105 engines including spares.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So now we have:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
PW1100G&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 1,426&lt;br /&gt;
PW1500G&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 754&lt;br /&gt;
PW1200G&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 683&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;u&gt;PW1400G&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;100&lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;u&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Sum&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 2,963&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
That's far&amp;nbsp;away from the stated 3,500 orders for all members of the Geared Turbo Fan Family. Let's wait for the Paris Air Show - maybe there is more clarity about the "unannounced" orders then...and I guess we will hear about first customers for the PW1700G and PW1900G for the 2nd generation EJet Family.&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~4/66nZu42i-5A" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/feeds/6031484094557694896/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/04/geraed-turbo-fan-backlog-secrets.html#comment-form" title="5 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/6031484094557694896?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/6031484094557694896?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~3/66nZu42i-5A/geraed-turbo-fan-backlog-secrets.html" title="Geared Turbo Fan Backlog Secrets" /><author><name>aeroturbopower</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><thr:total>5</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/04/geraed-turbo-fan-backlog-secrets.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;CUUHSXs6eip7ImA9WhBVEEw.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8118460937928958757.post-4546376498339383417</id><published>2013-04-15T04:07:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2013-04-15T04:07:18.512-04:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-04-15T04:07:18.512-04:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Lion Air" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="B737-800" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Boeing" /><title>Lion Air Accident</title><content type="html">On Saturday a B737-800 crashed into the sea just before reaching the runway of Bali.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href="http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/bali-crash-highlights-risks-of-lion-air-expansion-analysts/585571"&gt;Some "analysts" and "experts" were quick to question Lion Air's safety &lt;/a&gt;in the light of the quick expansion and rapid growth of the airline. They did not care to wait for what the pilots had to say about the accident and what had caused it. As we can read &lt;a href="http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-lion-air-crash-pilot-felt-jet-dragged-063713747--finance.html" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;the pilot has&amp;nbsp;about 15,000 flight hours and is a flight instructor and&amp;nbsp;the co-pilot, who was in charge,&amp;nbsp;has about 2,000 flight hours so I would rule out any reason relating to inexperience of the flight crew. It appears that the reason was weather related, heavy rain and a wind shear or a downdraft might have caused the crash.&lt;br /&gt;
As safe as&amp;nbsp;today's aircraft are - there isn't any powerful force than mother nature. We should never forget this! Even the safest airline can't be "safe" enough not to be prone to the forces of nature.&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~4/iy-sjOJZ3Zo" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/feeds/4546376498339383417/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/04/lion-air-accident.html#comment-form" title="0 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/4546376498339383417?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/4546376498339383417?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~3/iy-sjOJZ3Zo/lion-air-accident.html" title="Lion Air Accident" /><author><name>aeroturbopower</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/04/lion-air-accident.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;DE4HR3kzeyp7ImA9WhBWFUw.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8118460937928958757.post-5312254724338703083</id><published>2013-04-09T10:15:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2013-04-09T10:15:36.783-04:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-04-09T10:15:36.783-04:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="A320" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Leahy" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Airbus" /><title>Why is Leahy so pessimistic? </title><content type="html">&lt;a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/08/us-airbus-orders-idUSBRE9370ZJ20130408" target="_blank"&gt;Airbus Salesman John Leahy seems not to be too optimistic&lt;/a&gt; about selling a lot of aircraft at this year's Paris Air Show. He still expects to sell around 750 aircraft this year. At the end of March there were sold 431 aircraft according to&amp;nbsp;the published Excel Sheet on their website.&amp;nbsp;Additionally, we know that Lufthansa will buy another 100 A320 and 2 A380, Turkish will buy 83 A320 and Mandala 18 A320 through Tiger Airways exercising options&amp;nbsp;(although Mandala will probably then cancel their old order for 25 A320's).&lt;br /&gt;
Before cancellations this would be&amp;nbsp;then 633 orders. Knowing that there are a lot of decisions still looming this year and that not only the Paris Air Show but also the Dubai Air Show is coming, I would be surprised if the orderbook&amp;nbsp;for 2013 would only see 750 orders. But maybe Leahy was talking about net orders and he already knows that Kingfisher will cancel all their outstanding orders this year. Also, there are outstanding orders for United and Northwest (now Delta of course)&amp;nbsp;for A320's and I do not expect them to be filled. Mexicana is now defunct and their 4 open orders will sooner or later also disappear.&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~4/nOOHTwAqwNM" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/feeds/5312254724338703083/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/04/why-is-leahy-so-pessimistic.html#comment-form" title="0 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/5312254724338703083?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/5312254724338703083?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~3/nOOHTwAqwNM/why-is-leahy-so-pessimistic.html" title="Why is Leahy so pessimistic? " /><author><name>aeroturbopower</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/04/why-is-leahy-so-pessimistic.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;D08AR385eCp7ImA9WhBWFUw.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8118460937928958757.post-5988494752064260456</id><published>2013-04-09T08:25:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2013-04-09T09:57:26.120-04:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-04-09T09:57:26.120-04:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Boeing" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Turkish Airlines" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="B737MAX" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Airbus" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="A320NEO" /><title>Turkish Airlines orders more Narrowbodies</title><content type="html">As I envisioned &lt;a href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.de/2013/03/good-days-for-a320.html#more" target="_blank"&gt;here,&lt;/a&gt; Turkish Airlines will not just rely on Airbus for their future narrowbody fleet. &lt;a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/09/us-turkishairlines-idUSBRE9380FT20130409" target="_blank"&gt;Today THY announced&lt;/a&gt; that they placed orders for 20 B737-800, 40 B737MAX-8 and 10 B737MAX-9. THY also placed 25 options. On March 15 Turkish Airlines announced to buy 20 A321, 4 A320neo and 53 A321neo and placed 35 options for further A321neo.&lt;br /&gt;
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Airbus and Boeing will both produce about 42 narrowbody aircraft a month when the reengined aircraft come to market. That means&amp;nbsp;both&amp;nbsp;will produce roughly 480-500 narrowbodies a year. That being said and assumed that the ramp up from the first production model to full production of the new model will be at&amp;nbsp;the same pace at both manufacturers means that Airbus has an (at least theoretical)&amp;nbsp;"early availability" advantage for the A320neo as long as the backlog is not between 960-1000 aircraft larger than that of the B737MAX. In detail&amp;nbsp;that depends on the exact delivery dates&amp;nbsp;for&amp;nbsp;the individual airline customers, of course.&lt;br /&gt;
Right now Airbus has 2,068 firm orders, but counting the orders from Turkish Airlines and Lufthansa, which will probably be firmed up in the next weeks, there will be 2,198 firm orders.&lt;br /&gt;
Boeing meanwhile counts 1,185 firm orders for the B737MAX, so the difference is just about two years of full production now and in theory there is no "early availability" advantage for Airbus anymore. Let's see where the difference&amp;nbsp;is after the Paris&amp;nbsp;Air Show in June.&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~4/Jv8dF5psh1k" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/feeds/8216626707034553960/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/04/airbus-and-boeing-narrowbody-market.html#comment-form" title="0 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/8216626707034553960?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/8216626707034553960?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~3/Jv8dF5psh1k/airbus-and-boeing-narrowbody-market.html" title="Airbus and Boeing Narrowbody Market Share" /><author><name>aeroturbopower</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/04/airbus-and-boeing-narrowbody-market.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;AkMCRHc6fCp7ImA9WhBXEkU.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8118460937928958757.post-129024335141314258</id><published>2013-03-26T05:01:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2013-03-26T05:01:05.914-04:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-03-26T05:01:05.914-04:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Boeing" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="A320" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="B737MAX" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Airbus" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="A320NEO" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Embraer" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="B737NG" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Bombardier" /><title>More narrowbody orders</title><content type="html">

&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.de/2013/01/narrowbody-outlook-2013.html"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;As
forecasted&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;, we have already seen quite impressive narrowbody orders this
year, although the Paris Air Show is still ahead of us.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;For example, there are already orders for 461 more A320neo
family aircraft – remarkably most of the for the A321neo – this year. In 2012
we saw 478 firm orders, some of which had already been announced at the Paris
Air Show in 2011.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;The B737MAX had it’s big year in 2012, so we cannot expect
that we see more than the 949 orders from 2012 in 2013 again. So far the
B737MAX got 121 orders this year.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;But I expect more big orders for both narrowbodies in 2013.
I already wrote about China and the needs of the airlines there, but now it
becomes clearer. &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;According to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://centreforaviation.com/"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;CAPA (Centre for Aviation)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt; , the China
Times writes that chinese airlines will order about 500 narrowbodies from both
Airbus and Boeing in 2013. About half of these orders would be for the neo and
MAX models. This would not only be a(nother) boost for both reengining
programs, it would also fill further the remaining delivery slots for the
current models.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;a href="http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ain-air-transport-perspective/2013-03-25/more-big-orders-seem-support-narrowbody-rate-hikes"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Adam
Pilarski from AVITAS still thinks that we see a bubble with all these
narrowbody orders&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;. He could be right – if we would see an economic crisis
hitting South East Asia and China, a lot of these orders would quickly
disappear. But as long as these economies are thriving, Airbus and Boeing (and
in the long run probably also Bombardier and Embraer) have nothing to fear but
not being able to quickly enough deliver the ordered aircraft.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;It looks like Ryanair and Boeing will today announce their
deal for (&lt;a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/18/us-boeing-planeorder-idUSBRE92H10B20130318" target="_blank"&gt;according to the latest information&lt;/a&gt;) 170 B737-800NG’s.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;This deal will help both parties:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Ryanair can grow further. They currently do not have any
aircraft on order after the last was delivered in December 2012&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Boeing can fill a lot of open slots for the B737NG until the
B737MAX arrives. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.de/2013/03/pricing-pressure-on-b737ng.html"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;I
wrote about that earlier…&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Rynair’s outspoken boss Michael O’Leary is (until today) not
positive about the B737MAX, naming the aircraft a &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/ryanair-offers-scathing-verdict-on-737-max-368895/"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;“dog’s
dinner of a design”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;. Ordering new-built NG’s now means that Ryanair faces (for
example) Norwegian as a competitor who then flies the B737MAX. The B737MAX is
advertised by Boeing as burning 13% less fuel than the B737NG.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;What does that mean? Knowing how Michael O’Leary likes to do
deals one could imagine that he demands a purchasing price for the NG’s that is
lower by the amount the NG’s are costing more in operating cost as they burn
more fuel.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;From the latest company presentation (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/ryanair-offers-scathing-verdict-on-737-max-368895/"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Q3
2013&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;) I got the following information:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list: Ignore;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Fuel is hedged at approx. $1000/ton&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list: Ignore;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;The $ is hedged at 1.32€&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list: Ignore;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;The cost per pax ex fuel is 27€&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list: Ignore;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Revenue per pax is 51€&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt 36pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list: Ignore;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Load factor is 81%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;For the average sector length I found several information
(not directly from Ryanair) indicating it should be something like 1165km or
629nm.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Now&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;I calculated the
fuel burn for a 629nm sector with 153pax (81%*189 seats). Fuel burn was
calculated at 8,951lbs or 4,060kg. Fuel costs are then $4,060 or 3,075€ per flight.
Per passenger this is $26.53 or 20.10€.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Total costs per passenger and flight is then
(27€+20.10€)=47.10€. Ryanair therefore makes a profit of 3.90€ per passenger –
not bad!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Now what would happen if Ryanair would switch to the
B737MAX? Fuel burn would be 13% less, about 17.50€ per passenger in other
words: &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;profit per passenger would be
2.60€ or nearly 53% higher! Here you have the answer why both the A320neo and
the B737MAX are (and will be) so popular with Low Cost Carriers in particular.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;If MOL wants to have the fuel burn difference as a lower
purchase price upfront we simply multiply the number of passengers one aircraft
carries over a year, multiply that with 2.60€ and with the number of years the
aircraft stays in service with Ryanair typically. You can get answers &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/Ryanair?sort=dd&amp;amp;dir=desc"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;
and I found out that seven years is a good number.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;The summary of the Q3 2013 presentation says that with the
current fleet of 305 B737-800NG Ryanair will carry about 79million passengers this
year. Per aircraft this is 259,000 passengers. For seven years this is 4.713m.€
or $6.13m. worth of fuel costs versus a B737MAX. We can expect that this is the
“extra discount” that MOL demanded from Boeing compared to the deal that
Norwegian got for their B737MAX order last year – and we can expect that
Norwegian already got a good deal as they have been the European launch
customer for the B737MAX.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~4/V4leU8mMsRQ" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/feeds/7299203303142127281/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-boeing-ryanair-deal.html#comment-form" title="3 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/7299203303142127281?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/7299203303142127281?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~3/V4leU8mMsRQ/the-boeing-ryanair-deal.html" title="The Boeing - Ryanair deal" /><author><name>aeroturbopower</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><thr:total>3</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-boeing-ryanair-deal.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;A0QMSHkzfCp7ImA9WhBQFkw.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8118460937928958757.post-2250818210749802569</id><published>2013-03-18T05:16:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2013-03-18T11:09:49.784-04:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-03-18T11:09:49.784-04:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Lion Air" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Boeing" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="A320" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Turkish Airlines" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Airbus" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Ryanair" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="A320NEO" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Lufthansa" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="B737NG" /><title>Good days for the A320!</title><content type="html">&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;What a week for Airbus! John Leahy predicted at the
beginning of last week during his presentation at the ISTAT conference that
until the end of March Airbus will have more than 2000 orders for the A320neo. While
the number itself is technically just as good as 1900 or 2100, it justifies
once more the decision to go ahead with the neo program in December 2010.
Boeing, as it seems, was really caught by surprise, despite Airbus was talking about
the possible launch for months before deciding to launch the neo program.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Lufthansa&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;The Lufthansa order was not a big surprise. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.de/2013/01/narrowbody-outlook-2013.html"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;I
wrote about that in an earlier post&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;. Nico Buchholz, VP &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Fleet Planning, said
last year that the fleet in the whole Lufthansa family should be comprising
less aircraft families and with the initial order for 30 A320neo in 2011 it was
clear that the A320neo will be the future narrowbody aircraft, at least for the
150+ seat market. The CSeries has a good chance to get more orders, too. Swiss
will get 30 CS100 starting in 2014 and there are 30 options, which can also be
converted to the larger CS300.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;There was a remote chance for the B737MAX, however, as this
would have given Lufthansa Technik &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;a
better chance to get a slice from the MRO market for the aircraft itself and
the LEAP-1B engine. So I would not rule out that there will be a B737MAX order
in the future, but it seems even more unlikely now.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Turkish Airlines&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;This order was expected to be signed during Angela Merkels
visit to Turkey in February, but was held up due to industrial reasons. We don’t
know if now more Turkish suppliers will&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;be involved in the A320 program.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;With the order heavily focusing on the A321ceo/neo I see a
future order for the B737MAX-8, as it would be unusual to have the smallest
narrowbody in the fleet with around 180 seats. The four A320neo maybe will
serve for government needs? Who knows, but four aircraft barely makes a
sub-fleet…&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;I could also imagine an order for the CS300 to round up the
narrowbody fleet in the lower seat count segment.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Lion Air&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Well, this order floated around in the blogosphere and rumor
mills for how long now? Finally it’s there. And as with the Boeing order
politics play their part, of course. Many people will question is Lion needs so
many aircraft, but let’s do the math: at the end of February Lion had 123 open
orders for the B737NG. Malindo, the new malaysian subsidiary, will alone get
another 26 aircraft until the end of 2014. Batik Air, another start-up this
year, also will get some aircraft from Lion’s orderbook. Lion itself got 24
aircraft last year. So if Lion wants to grow steadily in the next years and
also wants Malindo to effectively play against AirAsia in their home market,
they need more aircraft. And this is exactly what this order is about. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;All in all,&amp;nbsp;Airbus now has&amp;nbsp;301 new firm orders for the A320neo
family and 115 new orders for the A320ceo family in one week. Together with orders from AA
and ALC Airbus booked 475 orders for the A320neo already this year – with the
Paris Air Show still to come…&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Next to order a bunch of aircraft is Ryanair - rumors are ranging&amp;nbsp; from 170 to 200 B737NG! Not a bad year for narrowbodies!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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told the press that Airbus would drop the A350-800. Airbus instantly denied, so
nobody can tell for sure what is the fate of the smallest model of the A350
family.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Air Asia’s chief Tony Fernandes is a long time proponent of
the so-called A330neo and at the same time dismisses the A350-800. The A330 has
a slightly larger capacity, according to Airbus. But this is based on a 9
abreast layout and I would suggest that AirAsiaX will fly their A350-900 with a
10 abreast layout as they are flying the A330-300 today in a 9 abreast layout,
squeezing in 377 passengers (12 in C, 365 in Y). So the capacity of the A330-300
and the A350-800 is comparable with the A350-800 having 362 passengers in a theoretical
AirAsiaX layout (12 in C, 350 in Y). But the &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;A330-300 is lighter at OEW. The A330neo would
feature GEnx or Trent1000 engines from the B787 instead of the more powerful,
but also larger and heavier Trent XWB on the A350. The Trent XWB on the other
side should be about 2% better in SFC than the Trent1000, although with the
introduction of the Trent 1000TEN the difference in SFC should shrink.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;The 787-8 and 787-9 would seat 309 resp. 372 seats in a
AirAsiaX layout, the A350-900 will have more than 400 seats &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&amp;amp;rct=j&amp;amp;q=&amp;amp;esrc=s&amp;amp;frm=1&amp;amp;source=web&amp;amp;cd=5&amp;amp;ved=0CGEQFjAE&amp;amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.airbus.com%2Fpresscentre%2Fpressreleases%2Fpress-release-detail%2Fdetail%2Fairasia-x-orders-the-a350-xwb%2F&amp;amp;ei=E2A4UdD2OMit4ASdr4HIBg&amp;amp;usg=AFQjCNFQcvRJdg0cMeL00dof7UHN34CJxg&amp;amp;sig2=6mXHAqpGGfTdMVlZXnE4eQ&amp;amp;bvm=bv.43287494,d.bGE"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;according
to the original press release when AirAsiaX announced to buy 10 A350-900&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;. I
calculated 418 seats with still 12 seats in C.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;And this is what I got for a 4,000nm mission.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;
&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-b2sz82dJsvI/UThl65k2blI/AAAAAAAACS8/5Kc5fHQuIFY/s1600/fuelburn.gif" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="404" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-b2sz82dJsvI/UThl65k2blI/AAAAAAAACS8/5Kc5fHQuIFY/s640/fuelburn.gif" width="640" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;The A350-900 and the B787-9 are, not by any surprise, the
most efficient aircraft. Although the B787-9 is smaller in size, it is on par
with the A350-900.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;What is more important though is that the A330neo would be
more economical than the A350-800. It burns more than 5% less per passenger. And
even if we correct for size, the A330-300neo burns 3% less than the A350-800.
This should Airbus thinking about if Akbar Al Bakers statement should be proven
wrong…&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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will wet-lease two A340-300 from HiFly&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt; to bridge the gap until the B787-8
will arrive after the battery problem is solved. How will that impact their
operations? Interestingly, the two A340 are from a batch originally flown by
Singapore Airlines, then given back to Boeing in exchange for B777’s. Boeing sold them to&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;
 BBAM and they leased the aircraft to Emirates. The two A340-300&amp;nbsp;are now due to
arrive at HiFly. So in the end Boeing has to lease Airbus aircraft to airline
customers to make up the problems with the B787.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DqtkW27HcL0/UTcqv6GkkjI/AAAAAAAACSs/xU5vIoYeLs8/s1600/HiFly+A340.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="425" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DqtkW27HcL0/UTcqv6GkkjI/AAAAAAAACSs/xU5vIoYeLs8/s640/HiFly+A340.jpg" width="640" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;But&amp;nbsp;what does that mean&amp;nbsp;for Norwegian?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;First, the A340-300 is considerably larger than the B787-8. The
B787 in the Norwegian configuration will get 291 seats. 32 seats in a 2-3-2
configuration and 46” pith and 259 seats in a 3-3-3 configuration and 31”
pitch. The A340-300 could offer an additional 45 seats in economy in a 2-4-2
configuration and actually wider seats.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;But there comes of course a higher fuel burn with the
A340-300: using the full PIANO 4.1 version on my iMac, I get a fuel&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;burn of 96,568lbs for the 3,187nm great circle
route from Oslo to New York.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;The B787-8 for Norwegian are not &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;from the first batch of aircraft &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.aspireaviation.com/2012/10/04/boeing-remains-formidable-bae-eads-merger/"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;but
still are overweight by probably around 4 metric tonnes&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt; . The engines (RR
Trent 1000 in this case) are probably Package B standard, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.aspireaviation.com/2012/07/10/airbus-is-right-on-a330-improvement-strategy/"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;short
of the original SFC target by around 2%&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;. The result: 68,761lbs.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;So the A340-300 burns 40% more fuel than the B787-8,
carrying 15% more passengers.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Per passenger, the A340-300 burns 287.4lbs or 42.9 gallons of
fuel. At a cost of $3.20 per gallon, the fuel bill per passenger is $137.30.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;The B787-8 burns 236.3lbs or 35.3 gallons of fuel. This is $113
per passenger.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The difference is $24.3.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;This is all for a 100% load factor. With a more realistic
(but still very good) load factor of 90% we get the following figures:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;A340-300: 93,267lbs total fuel burn; &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;46.1 gallons per passenger (302 passengers).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;B787-8:&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;67,568 lbs
total fuel burn; &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;38.5 gallons per
passenger (262 passengers).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;The difference per passenger is the same:7.6 gallons or &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;$24.3. The question now is: who will cover the
cost? Most probably: Boeing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;As mentioned, the A340-300 will be wet-leased from HiFly.
HiFly is leasing the aircraft from Boeing and this would then by a dry-lease. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.myairlease.com/resources/fleetstatus"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Leasing rates for an
A340-300 are between $150k and $440k,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt; another &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://afm.aero/data/industry-data-list-prices-and-lease-rates?option=com_joodb&amp;amp;view=catalog&amp;amp;format=html&amp;amp;reset=false&amp;amp;ordering=&amp;amp;orderby=&amp;amp;Itemid=509&amp;amp;task=&amp;amp;search=airbus&amp;amp;limit=50"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;source
puts the price per month between $230k and $600k&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;. As the aircraft in
question are rather old I would suggest a price at the lower end. Let’s say the
dry lease rate would be $250,000. The difference for the wet-lease is more or
less the operating cost (fuel, crew and maintenance).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;On the other hand, a dry lease for a B787-8 is calculated at
approximately $1million per month.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Without having flown a mile, the A430-300 is “cheaper” by a
quarter million dollars per month. But for every passenger flown from Oslo to
JFK or vice versa, the A340-300 looses $24.3 against the B787-8. So how many
passengers are flown in&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;a month? The
aircraft will fly once back and forth per day, so with the 90% load factor the
A340-300 would carry 30 x 2 x 302 passengers = 18,120 passengers per month. The
extra cost for fuel is 18,120 x $24.3 = $440,316. So after fuel costs the
A340-300 is still almost $310,000 cheaper. Maintenance costs will eat into
this, also higher landing fees, but in the end it could be cheaper for
Norwegian. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;For Boeing, on the other hand, it could be expensive. ILFC
will probably demand at least the &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;“profit
portion” (what stays at ILFC after what they pay for their financing the aircraft)
of the $1m lease rate it does not get from Norwegian monthly as long as the aircraft
are not delivered. Let’s say ILFC has a profit margin of 10% or $100k per month
(ALC reported pre-tax profit magi of 24% in 2011!). Now image Boeing has to pay
for every B787 not delivered $100k during the battery crisis $100k per month.
Also airlines with B787 already in the fleet will demand compensation. This
could end up with a big number…&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~4/73vWD6Qg0W8" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/feeds/3290747619612278993/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/03/norwegian-leases-a340-300-to-bridge.html#comment-form" title="4 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/3290747619612278993?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/3290747619612278993?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~3/73vWD6Qg0W8/norwegian-leases-a340-300-to-bridge.html" title="Norwegian leases A340-300 to bridge the B787 gap" /><author><name>aeroturbopower</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DqtkW27HcL0/UTcqv6GkkjI/AAAAAAAACSs/xU5vIoYeLs8/s72-c/HiFly+A340.jpg" height="72" width="72" /><thr:total>4</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/03/norwegian-leases-a340-300-to-bridge.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;Ck4CRnw8eCp7ImA9WhBRFEQ.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8118460937928958757.post-569010782782995652</id><published>2013-03-05T08:41:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2013-03-05T08:42:47.270-05:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-03-05T08:42:47.270-05:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Boeing" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="A320ceo" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="B737MAX" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Airbus" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="A320NEO" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="B737NG" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="B787" /><title>Pricing pressure on the B737NG</title><content type="html">&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Boeing for the first time acknowledged pricing pressure for
the B737NG yesterday, when Ray Conner, CEO of Boeing Commercial Airplanes spoke
at the JP Morgan Aerospace Conference. A synopsis can be found &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/boeings-ray-conner-speaks-to-jp-morgan-conference/#more-8156"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;here&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;
at Leeham News and Comment. Read also the comment to get an insight of what
readers think about how Boeing handles the battery problem of the B787.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Conner also said that there was (and is, I suppose) pricing pressure
on the B737MAX, but this is normal for new aircraft entering the market.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Where the pricing pressure comes from gets clear when we
look at the number of open orders and the orders Boeing has to fill until the
B737MAX enters service in late 2017 and until the B737MAX &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;will take over full
production. This will take about two and a half years if we take the transition
phase of the A320neo as an example.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;We are now 56 months away from EIS of the B737MAX. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&amp;amp;item=2575"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Right now (March
2013)builds the B737NG at a rate of 38 a month&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&amp;amp;item=2097"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;In the first
half of &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;2014 the build rate will reach
42 a month&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;At January 31,2013, Boeing had 1958 unfilled orders for the
B737NG.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;In the 11 remaining months of 2013, Boeing will build 418
B737NG.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Given that rate 42 is reached in June 2014, Boeing will build
480 B737NG in 2014.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;In 2015 and 2016 Boeing will then build 504 B737NG each.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Until December 2017, when the first B737MAX should enter
airline service with Southwest Airlines, 462 aircraft will be build.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Altogether:&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;2388
B737NG until December 2017. So Boeing has to sell another 430 B737NG to fill
all slots until the first B737MAX arrives. Another 700 slots are to be filled
until June 2020, when the B737MAX should take over full production.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Now compare this to the A320ceo/A320neo situation:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;At January 31,2013, Airbus had 1846 unfilled orders for the
A320ceo.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Airbus will build another 445 A320ceo in the remaining 11
months of 2013.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;In 2014 Airbus will build about 485 A320ceo.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Until October 2015, when the first A320neo should be
delivered to Qatar Airways, Airbus will have build another 365 A320ceo.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Altogether: 1295 A320ceo until October 2015. Another 700
A320ceo delivery positions remain until the A320neo takes over full production
in the middle of 2018. This leaves Airbus with around 150 delivery positions to
fill. &lt;a href="http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/2012/12/04/eads-investors-day-analysts-reports/" target="_blank"&gt;EADS said in December of last year that there are about 300 positions left&lt;/a&gt;. I suspect that there are some cancellations build
into these 300 positions. The most obvious candidate is Kingfisher. There are
67 open deliveries from Kingfisher and Kingfisher Red. Another suspect is
Delta: they inherited 7 open deliveries from Northwest Airlines, which they can
cancel without penalty. United Airlines also has 42 unfilled orders for the
A320ceo family. If I add these, I am at 262 open slots, not too far from what
EADS said.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Now to the pricing pressure on the B737NG: as long as there
are open slots either for the A320ceo or A320neo, the pricing pressure from
Airbus will persist. But the pressure could also come from another side: the
lessors. Even if there are no open slots at Airbus, airlines might find lessors
which have A320neo slots available. Especially ILFC as the first leasing
company to buy the A320neo should have plenty of aircraft available. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://investor.ilfc.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=211605&amp;amp;p=RssLanding&amp;amp;cat=news&amp;amp;id=1752310"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;The
only airlines so far openly committed to take A320neo from a lessor is Spirit
Airlines&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;But lessors could also compete with the B737MAX against the
B737NG. Right now leasing companies have ordered 250 B737MAX. ALC for example
gets their 80 B737MAX between 2018 and 2022. If an airline manager has a choice
between buying an aircraft which is from the “last-of-the-line “ batch with
probably not so good residual value and to &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;lease the new model which burns something like
13% less fuel, I would negotiate very hard with both!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Good deals could be ahead in the coming years for airlines…&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~4/OwgefLj94ys" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/feeds/569010782782995652/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/03/pricing-pressure-on-b737ng.html#comment-form" title="2 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/569010782782995652?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/569010782782995652?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~3/OwgefLj94ys/pricing-pressure-on-b737ng.html" title="Pricing pressure on the B737NG" /><author><name>aeroturbopower</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><thr:total>2</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/03/pricing-pressure-on-b737ng.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;CEcAQ3o9eCp7ImA9WhBSFE4.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8118460937928958757.post-1474170158274768738</id><published>2013-02-21T02:34:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2013-02-21T02:34:02.460-05:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-02-21T02:34:02.460-05:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Ilyushin Finance" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="CSeries" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="PW1500G" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="PW1900G" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Embraer" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="EJet G2" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Bombardier" /><title>Good day for Bombardier CSeries!</title><content type="html">

&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;It was a good day for the Bombardier CSeries yesterday (Feb.
20th).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;The PW1500G, P&amp;amp;W’s first Geared Turbo Fan, was certified
by Transport Canada. As the development of a complete new engine is always a
risk, now one major risk on the whole CSeries program isn’t one anymore. It is
also good news for Embraer, planning to use the same engine with slight changes
to the externals&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;dubbed as PW1900G, for
the upcoming and still-to-launch E190G2 and E195G2. Embraer can now bank on an engine
that is proven in service for a few years when the G2 EJets enter service. That
might have been one reason to choose the GTF over the NG34 and LEAP engines
from GE and CFM.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;But back to the Bombardier CSeries. The aircraft program got
also a major commercial boost yesterday, when Ilyushin Finance signed a firm
order for 32 CS300 plus 10 options. The original LoI called for 3 CS100 and 7
CS300 with ten options and ten purchase rights, so Ilyushin Finance upped their
original commitment substantially.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Now the whole aerospace world is waiting for the first
flight of the CSeries (and as well for the first flight of the A350 and London
bookmakers are taking bets who is first). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Later today there will be &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;the conference call for results of the fourth
quarter and fiscal year ended Dec. 31&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: x-small;"&gt;st&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;. Maybe we will hear more on
the progress of the program.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Environmental Protection (CAEP) proudly tells us that they achieved agreements&amp;nbsp; for future CO&lt;span style="font-size: xx-small;"&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; and noise regulations. Nothing particular is said about the CO2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; standards, &lt;a href="http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-06-27/icao-carbon-cut-plan-will-mask-emissions-output-engineer" target="_blank"&gt;although they were&amp;nbsp;already heavily criticized by Dimitro Simos&lt;/a&gt;, author of the &lt;a href="http://www.lissys.demon.co.uk/" target="_blank"&gt;Aircraft Performance Software PIANO&lt;/a&gt; when a draft of the plan was&amp;nbsp;outlined in mid 2012.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Future noise standards, effective from 12/31/2017, puts the current noise level down by 7 EPNdB (equivalent perceived noise in dB). Now, what does that mean? Will we see less noisy aircraft in the future as we would have seen without that new regulation? Will aircraft and engine companies have to put more resources to&amp;nbsp;optimize the aircraft/engine system regarding noise levels?&amp;nbsp; Let's have a look at a chart&amp;nbsp;that was published in&amp;nbsp;the &lt;a href="http://www.icao.int/environmental-protection/Documents/Publications/ENV_Report_2010.pdf" target="_blank"&gt;"ICAO Environmental Report 2010"&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Vxstc10ViHI/UR311FJp6MI/AAAAAAAACRc/W2jlSDBvafw/s1600/noise_margins.gif" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="516" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Vxstc10ViHI/UR311FJp6MI/AAAAAAAACRc/W2jlSDBvafw/s640/noise_margins.gif" width="640" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The report states that these values of noise levels relative to&amp;nbsp;Chapter 3 represents &lt;em&gt;"today's best practice aircraft"&lt;/em&gt; to &lt;em&gt;"understand the current state-of-the-art (...) aeroplane noise technology."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The current Chapter 4 is 10dB below Chapter 3, so the proposed Chapter 5 would be -17dB in the chart.&amp;nbsp;As we can see, the only aircraft type that is marginal relative to Chapter 3 -17dB would be the "Short and medium range jets with two engines", i.e. the A320/B737 category (in the future also CSeries, C919, MS-21).&lt;br /&gt;
According to the &lt;a href="http://noisedb.stac.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/find.php" target="_blank"&gt;french noise certification database&lt;/a&gt;, the B737-900ER certified as of today has a margin relative to Chapter 3 of 11.7 EPNdB (highest -900ER MTOW version). Therefore it would not be compliant with Stage 5, missing the target by 5.3EPNdB. The A321 as the member with the highest MTOW of the A320 family would also miss the new standard, showing 12.8 EPNdB margin (with V2533-A5) resp. 11.6 EPNdB (CFM56-5B2/3). But that does not mean you can't fly these aircraft anymore in 2018. It does not even mean you can't sell/by them&amp;nbsp;after 12/31/2017. The new standard only affects aircraft/engine combinations &lt;strong&gt;certified &lt;/strong&gt;after that date. But by that date all A320neo variants and the B737MAX ( at least the first variant, either the -8 or the -9) will be certified - at least that is the plan of the manufacturers. These aircraft are marketed by the manufacturers as to be 15-20 EPNdB below Stage 4, so that would be 8-13dB below the new Stage 5.&lt;br /&gt;
There is another chart in the ICAO report from 2010, showing&amp;nbsp;what independent experts&amp;nbsp;thought would&amp;nbsp;be achievable by 2018 (when Stage 5&amp;nbsp;comes into play) and in 2028 (Stage 6?).&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JXnU5QKfbSc/UR31x6Y3tqI/AAAAAAAACRU/_i5gfWrJRR4/s1600/noise_goals.gif" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="350" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JXnU5QKfbSc/UR31x6Y3tqI/AAAAAAAACRU/_i5gfWrJRR4/s640/noise_goals.gif" width="640" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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The goal for the A320/B737 category then was Stage 4 -21+/- 4.6 EPNdB, so the minimum goal was Stage 4 -16.4 EPNdB. The new regulation now calls for Stage 4 -7 EPNdB. To say it clear: this is no regulation at all, this just showing what &lt;em&gt;has been&lt;/em&gt; state-of-the-art &lt;em&gt;before&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
As for the A320/B737 category, the&amp;nbsp;real successors (A30X, B797?) are maybe 15-20 years away so they would probably affected by a Stage 6 regulation (if that would be any). The chart above now can give us an indication where Stage 6 could be. As the 2018 minimum goal was reduced by almost 10 EPNdB and the 2028 minimum goal was -(23.5-5.5)EPNdB&amp;nbsp;= -18 EPNdB I could imagine we will see a further reduction of 5-7 EPNdB, so that Stage 6 would be 12-14 EPNdB below Stage 4. This is what A320neo and B737MAX (and their engines) will have achieved by 2017 anyway. Ridiculous I say! Airports all over the world should cry foul immediately - and airlines with them. Look at Europe in particular: Munich does not get a 3rd runway in the next few years, Heathrow will probably never get one...and why: it's all over noise! If ICAO does not get proactive on the&amp;nbsp;noise issue, growth will be prohibited in the future.&lt;br /&gt;
The only reason I see for these new regulations is the hope for an Open Rotor to get certified on day. All experts say (at least until today) that an Open Rotor can not be less noisy than today's turbofans (like CFM56 and V2500), so any future strict regulation would prohibit the Open Rotor from the beginning. But the hope&amp;nbsp;for&amp;nbsp;an Open Rotor to become a viable alternative for the generation of&amp;nbsp;advanced and geared turbofans now in development is fading anyway&amp;nbsp;- if you talk to airport managers, they will tell you about it...&lt;br /&gt;
An opportunity for a future path of growth in aviation, accepted also by the public,&amp;nbsp;was missed - let's hope for the next one!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~4/fDpnEGAsMKw" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/feeds/5040289255620138444/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/02/icaos-new-noise-and-co2-regulations-miss.html#comment-form" title="0 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/5040289255620138444?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/5040289255620138444?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~3/fDpnEGAsMKw/icaos-new-noise-and-co2-regulations-miss.html" title="ICAO's new noise and CO2 regulations a miss!" /><author><name>aeroturbopower</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" url="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Vxstc10ViHI/UR311FJp6MI/AAAAAAAACRc/W2jlSDBvafw/s72-c/noise_margins.gif" height="72" width="72" /><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/02/icaos-new-noise-and-co2-regulations-miss.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;A0cMQnY9eip7ImA9WhBTFUs.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8118460937928958757.post-8411237113410033980</id><published>2013-02-11T02:51:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2013-02-11T02:51:23.862-05:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-02-11T02:51:23.862-05:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Boeing" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="JAL" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="ANA" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="B787" /><title>Media hype about B787 test flights</title><content type="html">The recent media hype about the test flight(s) now allowed for narrowing the cause of the two battery incidents of the Japan Air Lines and ANA B787 is quite funny in one way. On the other side, it is a little bit sad to see that so many articles are out there in the (written) press and in the Internet and that people find it important to twitter&amp;nbsp;from starting the engines from landing (God thanks!) safely again - as if now every minute the aircraft could come down&amp;nbsp;because every battery could fail every minute. This coverage is not just a little bit exaggerated - it's a hype. The same people could easily comment every minute that an A380 that did not get the wing fix yet is still up in the air...&lt;br /&gt;
The problem for Boeing is not to keep the B787 in the air during the test flights - the problem is how to come out of the dilemma: &lt;a href="http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/2013/01/29/odds-and-ends-aviation-author-opines-about-boeing-787-grounding-timeline-remaking-aa/" target="_blank"&gt;how do they want to make FAA 1000% certain that the aircraft and the battery is safe&lt;/a&gt; without changing the design of the battery and surroundings or changing to another battery type. At the end there are just those two options, I guess. And then there are the "How long will it take..." questions:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;How long will that take to get the new design or a new battery?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;How long will it take to get hardware to put it into one of the test aircraft?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;And how long will it take to recertify the aircraft with that? &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;How long will it take to ramp up production for the new hardware? &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;How long will it take to incorporate the change into the 50 aircraft that are delivered?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;How long will it take to change the aircraft that are now ready&amp;nbsp;for delivery but are waiting for the fix?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;How long and how many aircraft on the production line have to wait to get the new hardware?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
I think that from those questions it gets immediately clear that Boeing&amp;nbsp;has a serious problem in getting the B787&amp;nbsp;to customers waiting for the aircraft - it won't be&amp;nbsp;just a few weeks that&amp;nbsp;deliveries will&amp;nbsp;restart.&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~4/b_MAWeqVPbY" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/feeds/8411237113410033980/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/02/media-hype-about-b787-test-flights.html#comment-form" title="3 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/8411237113410033980?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/8411237113410033980?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~3/b_MAWeqVPbY/media-hype-about-b787-test-flights.html" title="Media hype about B787 test flights" /><author><name>aeroturbopower</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><thr:total>3</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/02/media-hype-about-b787-test-flights.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;A0YHRnY9eCp7ImA9WhNaE0s.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8118460937928958757.post-7654481995066688768</id><published>2013-01-28T04:11:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2013-01-28T05:32:17.860-05:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-01-28T05:32:17.860-05:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Lion Air" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="CSeries" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Vueling" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Boeing" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="A320" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Turkish Airlines" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="B737MAX" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Air France" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="A320NEO" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="flydubai" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Lufthansa" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="American Airlines" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Jet Airways" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="SpiceJet" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Airbus" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="easyjet" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="TUI" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="B737NG" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Bombardier" /><title>Narrowbody Outlook 2013</title><content type="html">&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;After Boeing and Airbus unveiled their final order and
delivery numbers for 2012 it is now time to turn to what is ahead. What will
2013 bring us in the narrowbody segment?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Let’s begin with deliveries – this is quite easy:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list: Ignore;"&gt;·&lt;span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Airbus stabilizes their output rate at 42/month
and will deliver 480-485 A320 family aircraft (ca. 11.5*42 as we have to take
the summer break into account)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list: Ignore;"&gt;·&lt;span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Boeing will increase the delivery rate
towards&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;38 B737NG’s per month and
therefore deliver between 450-460 narrowbodies.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list: Ignore;"&gt;·&lt;span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Bombardier will deliver the first CS100 in 2014,
so A &amp;amp; B are (probably for the last time) alone.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-add-space: auto;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;But
what is more interesting is: how many orders will they see – both A &amp;amp; B,
but, of course, also Bombardier.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-add-space: auto;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;The
forecast from Airbus is for 700 gross orders. For 2012 the original forecast
was for 600, the upped to 650 orders and at the end there were 914. The
question is: was John Leahy too pessimistic or did he give a low target to the
public in order to be an “overachiever”?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-add-space: auto;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;I
don’t know what Boeing’s ales target is – maybe we hear something on Wednesdays
Q4 Earnings Call. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;But
let’s look at what we know (or thing to know) what is coming in 2013 in terms
of narrowbody orders:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list: Ignore;"&gt;·&lt;span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;There is still the “elephant in the room”: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.english.rfi.fr/asia-pacific/20130109-indonesias-lion-air-order-over-200-airbuses"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Lion
Air with the rumored order of 100, 200 or even more A320’s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list: Ignore;"&gt;·&lt;span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;There is Turkish Airlines&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/100403908"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;, shopping for more than 100
narrowbodies&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;. I could imagine a split order between Airbus and Boeing here,
as one manufacturer alone might not be able to satisfy the THY’s appetite &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;in time. But if THY wants to have closer ties
with Lufthansa in the future, they could be drawn to the Airbus side, as
Lufthansa wants to streamline purchasing through harmonizing the fleet through
it’s own airlines and ideally inside the Star Alliance.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list: Ignore;"&gt;·&lt;span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://atwonline.com/airline-finance-data/news/bankruptcy-court-approves-new-aircraft-amr-corp-0125"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;American
Airlines can now form up their order for 130 A320ceo, 130 A320neo and 100
B737MAX&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;. (the order for 100 B737NG was firmed in 2011 already). We so not
know if the A320ceo will end up as a new order in the books as in 2011 Airbus
and AA said that these aircraft could come from lessors with existing orders.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list: Ignore;"&gt;·&lt;span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/16/uk-tuitravel-fleet-idUSLNE90F00B20130116"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;TUI
is looking for a renewal of their fleet&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt; and could place an order for 60
aircraft soon. Boeing is the clear front runner here.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list: Ignore;"&gt;·&lt;span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Vueling is in the process to order narrowbodies&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;- any number between 30 and 60 would be a good
guess. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c78bc222-6637-11e2-b967-00144feab49a.html#axzz2JG07l42d"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;The
size of the order probably depends on Vueling’s role in the IAG&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;. Airbus as
the existing fleet provider is in the lead here, but Vueling is also looking at
Boeing and Bombardier.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list: Ignore;"&gt;·&lt;span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;easyjet is looking for around 100 narrowbodies.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Airbus is the natural candidate, although it
was Airbus with an irresistible offer displacing Boeing in 2002, so why shouldn’t
Boeing try to do the same now? And easyjet is also talking to Bombardier about
the CSeries. although the CS300 seems to small for today’ needs at easyjet, as
they are moving from the A319 to the A320. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engines-components/news/easyjet-firm-three-a320-options-0124"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;But
the order could also be postponed as easyjet has some options which they could
firm up with Airbus&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;, providing more time to decide and to bargain (and to
delight shareholders). If the announced step-down of CEO Rake has something to
do with the planned order lies in the dark. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/9830634/easyJet-defies-Sir-Stelios-with-plan-for-new-aircraft.html"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;The
last message is though that management is looking for shareholder approval for the
order in June.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list: Ignore;"&gt;·&lt;span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;India: IndiGo and GoJet both ordered large
numbers of the A320neo. SpiceJet and Jet Airways are the other two large low
cost airlines competing in the market (Air India seems to be focused on their problems
with the B787 (both technically and financially). I would not be surprised to
see orders for the B737MAX from SpiceJet and Jet Airways, as both are B737NG
operators.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list: Ignore;"&gt;·&lt;span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;FlyDubai: the airline expressed interesting the
B737MAX short after it’s announcement in July 2011. More than half of it’s
original order for 50 B737-800NG are delivered now – in less than four years.
So if they want to grow further after the delivery of the last NG they might
have to act now.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list: Ignore;"&gt;·&lt;span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Lufthansa: LH is one of the initial customers
for the A320neo – but they ordered “just” 30 of them. If one looks at the
current A320 fleet, which is one of the oldest, the conclusion is that they
need more. Not just for the Lufthansa fleet itself, but also for Swiss (their narrowbody
fleet is somewhat younger though), Austrian and &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Brussels. The Bombardier CSeries, especially
the CS300, could have a future here, too. Let’s wait for the first flight of
the CS100 (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://business.financialpost.com/2013/01/23/bombardier-ceo-eyes-june-for-cseries-first-flight-says-learned-from-boeing-787-problems/"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: Calibri;"&gt;in
June?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;) and we might see some more orders for the CSeries anyway…&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list: Ignore;"&gt;·&lt;span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Air France: same as Lufthansa, except that they
did not order any of the new narrowbodies so far, due to financial
restrictions. &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;The oldest A320 from the
-100 series already left the fleet, but there are still some 1989 vintage
models left…&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list: Ignore;"&gt;·&lt;span style="font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 7pt/normal &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;China: the Chinese airlines are somewhat behind
in ordering new narrowbodies – this has something to do with the budgetary planning
in China. But I guess that there are at least some LoI, MoU or something like
that which we will see firmed up this year. Also for the CSeries???&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;


&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;Oh, and then there is Ryanair, of course. Will they order
200 B737NG’s towards the end of this year or not? No guess and no comment from
my side – a guess here would be as meaningful as predicting a CSeries order
from Qatar…&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;All in all I think we will see again more orders than the
official target from Airbus. Remember the target is the overall number, not the
one for just narrowbodies. And there are still a number of A330, A350 and maybe
A380 deals in the pipeline. Likewise for the B787, B777 and B747-8I (F), of
course.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: Calibri;"&gt;So far, so good: it's all&amp;nbsp;speculation for now &amp;nbsp;– let’s wait for the real deals!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~4/_uKisQmQVf8" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/feeds/7654481995066688768/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/01/narrowbody-outlook-2013.html#comment-form" title="0 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/7654481995066688768?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/7654481995066688768?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~3/_uKisQmQVf8/narrowbody-outlook-2013.html" title="Narrowbody Outlook 2013" /><author><name>aeroturbopower</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/01/narrowbody-outlook-2013.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;DkMEQHcyfyp7ImA9WhNbFE8.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8118460937928958757.post-8956155975249762185</id><published>2013-01-17T06:00:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2013-01-17T07:06:41.997-05:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-01-17T07:06:41.997-05:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Lion Air" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Boeing" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="A320" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="B737MAX" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Airbus" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="A320NEO" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="B737NG" /><title>Narrowbody Review 2012 Part 2</title><content type="html">After the Airbus Press Conference is over we now have the long awaited numbers of orders and &lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;deliveries from Airbus for 2012. It reads as follows:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A320ceo:&amp;nbsp; 305&lt;br /&gt;
A320neo:&amp;nbsp; 478&lt;br /&gt;
A330&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; :&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;82&lt;br /&gt;
A350&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; :&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;40&lt;br /&gt;
A380&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; :&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;9&lt;br /&gt;
Gross&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; :&amp;nbsp; 914&lt;br /&gt;
Net&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; :&amp;nbsp; 833&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Cancellations:&lt;br /&gt;
A320&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; : 44&lt;br /&gt;
A330&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; : 22&lt;br /&gt;
A340&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; :&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 2&lt;br /&gt;
A350&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; :&amp;nbsp;13 &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
And here are the delivery numbers:&lt;br /&gt;
A320:&amp;nbsp; 455&lt;br /&gt;
A330:&amp;nbsp; 101&lt;br /&gt;
A340:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 2&lt;br /&gt;
A380:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 30&lt;br /&gt;
Sum :&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;588&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Most discussed these days is the narrowbody market. So let's remember the Boeing numbers:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Orders (Gross only):&lt;br /&gt;
B737NG:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 223&lt;br /&gt;
B737MAX:&amp;nbsp; 961&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Deliveries:&lt;br /&gt;
B737NG:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 415&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So, orderwise we have the following picture for narrowbodies:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A320ceo:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 15.5%&lt;br /&gt;
A320neo:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 24.3%&lt;br /&gt;
B737NG:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 11.3%&lt;br /&gt;
B737MAX: 48.9%&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A320ceo vs. B737NG&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; :&amp;nbsp; 58%&amp;nbsp;- 42%&lt;br /&gt;
A320neo vs. B737MAX:&amp;nbsp; 33%&amp;nbsp;- 67%&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A320Family vs. B737Family : 40%&amp;nbsp;- 60%&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Enough numbers and I am not going to interpret these as everyone takes out of these numbers what we wants to see in them anyway and there are already enough who do that publicly.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The rumoured Lion order for 100, 200, 220 or even more A320's did NOT materialize.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Anyway, the real big story today is the grounding of the B787...&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~4/e-5t_6XjKmU" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/feeds/8956155975249762185/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/01/narrowbody-review-2012-part-2.html#comment-form" title="0 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/8956155975249762185?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/8956155975249762185?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~3/e-5t_6XjKmU/narrowbody-review-2012-part-2.html" title="Narrowbody Review 2012 Part 2" /><author><name>aeroturbopower</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/01/narrowbody-review-2012-part-2.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;DkMGSH47eip7ImA9WhNbFE8.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8118460937928958757.post-7301822528191736469</id><published>2013-01-17T03:50:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2013-01-17T07:07:09.002-05:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-01-17T07:07:09.002-05:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Boeing" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="NTSB" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="JAL" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="FAA" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="ANA" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="B787" /><title>B787 grounded...</title><content type="html">&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;It is not clear yet what the grounding by FAA and others means for the whole
B787 program as nobody knows how long the grounding will last and what
consequences will come out of the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;investigations from FAA, &lt;span style="background: yellow;"&gt;NTSB&lt;/span&gt;
and maybe other non-US authorities:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;

&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;“The FAA will work with the manufacturer and carriers to develop a
corrective action plan to allow the U.S. 787 fleet to resume operations &lt;/em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;i&gt;as
quickly and safely as possible&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;.”&lt;/em&gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;

&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;This could mean everything from days to check to batteries and cables to
months when a redesign of the batteries or another type of batteries will be
required.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;

&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;In any case, it is very bad news for Boeing. Boeing just became the largest
aircraft manufacturer again for the first time&amp;nbsp;since 2002&amp;nbsp;and also took in more orders than Airbus for the
first time since 2007. Customers of the Boeing 787 were happy – at least until
last week, when a series of mostly little and not really worrisome incidences,
but also the battery fire at JAL’s 787 in Boston happened.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Moreover, Boeing and the SPEEA are in a fight over a new contract, but the
SPEEA engineers are badly needed to solve the issue(s) around the B787, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/2013/01/16/thoughts-about-the-faa-boeing-787-program-review/"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: inherit;"&gt;as
Scott Hamilton points out&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;. He has also just published &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/2013/01/17/putting-perspective-on-the-787/"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue; font-family: inherit;"&gt;more
thoughts about the impact of the grounding&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~4/9blUGE1dsOA" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/feeds/7301822528191736469/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/01/b787-grounded.html#comment-form" title="0 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/7301822528191736469?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/7301822528191736469?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~3/9blUGE1dsOA/b787-grounded.html" title="B787 grounded..." /><author><name>aeroturbopower</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><thr:total>0</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/01/b787-grounded.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;DE4EQn4zfip7ImA9WhNbEkk.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8118460937928958757.post-4333742011422622396</id><published>2013-01-15T05:34:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2013-01-15T05:48:23.086-05:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-01-15T05:48:23.086-05:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Scott Hamilton" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Lion Air" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="GTF" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Boeing" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Leahy" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="BOCA" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Airbus" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Singapore Airlines" /><title>Orders, orders, orders...</title><content type="html">Starting early last week we see another MoU firmed up (MEA, Avolon), a new MoU (Hawaiian) or even a completely new order (Citilink)&amp;nbsp;for the A320neo. An exception was last Friday, when Airbus and Singapore announced the order for 5 more A380 and 20 more A350-900.&lt;br /&gt;
I am now sure that John Leahy will tell the audience on Thursday that he now has (more than) 2000 orders and commitments for the A320neo. Maybe even 2000 or more firm orders.&lt;br /&gt;
Today's order came from BOC Aviation for 25 A320neo as well as 25 A320ceo, further filling the remaining delivery positions for the "ceo".&lt;br /&gt;
I wonder who is featured in Leahy's 5th season show tomorrow. And who is going to be the rabbit jumping out of Leahy's hat on Thursday.&lt;br /&gt;
That leads me to...Lion! They reportedly will order or have ordered more than 200 A320's. I believe it when I see it...&lt;a href="http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/2013/01/09/the-famed-airbus-5th-quarter-huge-lionair-buy-reported/" target="_blank"&gt;Scott Hamilton reports also that they selected the GTF for this order&lt;/a&gt; - if this is all true, it would be a huge blow for both Boeing and CFM.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href="http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=117098&amp;amp;p=irol-SECText&amp;amp;TEXT=aHR0cDovL2FwaS50ZW5rd2l6YXJkLmNvbS9maWxpbmcueG1sP2lwYWdlPTg2NTY1ODMmRFNFUT0wJlNFUT0wJlNRREVTQz1TRUNUSU9OX0VOVElSRSZzdWJzaWQ9NTc%3d" target="_blank"&gt;The firmation of the AA order is subject to cout approval now&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;(as is the MAX and B787 order).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~4/s78ip-Iw5i8" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/feeds/4333742011422622396/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/01/orders-orders-orders.html#comment-form" title="2 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/4333742011422622396?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8118460937928958757/posts/default/4333742011422622396?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Aeroturbopower/~3/s78ip-Iw5i8/orders-orders-orders.html" title="Orders, orders, orders..." /><author><name>aeroturbopower</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><thr:total>2</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.com/2013/01/orders-orders-orders.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;D0YCQ387cSp7ImA9WhNUF04.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8118460937928958757.post-1030684449786776420</id><published>2013-01-09T05:25:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2013-01-09T07:39:22.109-05:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-01-09T07:39:22.109-05:00</app:edited><title>Embraers choice is the GTF</title><content type="html">&lt;a href="http://www.embraer.com/en-US/ImprensaEventos/Press-releases/noticias/Pages/Embraer-seleciona-os-motores-PurePower-da-Pratt-E-Whitney-para-a-segunda-geracao-de-E-Jets.aspx" target="_blank"&gt;Embraer yesterday revealed&lt;/a&gt; that it has selected Pratt's GTF family for the yet to be officially launched EJet revamp, due to enter service in 2018.&lt;br /&gt;
The E175G2 will&amp;nbsp;get the PW1700G, which is a derivative of the PW1200G, powering the Mitsubishi MRJ70 and MRJ90 (and eventually the MRJ100 now under consideration).&lt;br /&gt;
The E190G2 and E195G2 will be powered by the PW1900G, essentially&amp;nbsp;a PW1500G, which powers &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;the Bombardier CSeries CS100/CS300, but customized for the Embraer EJets.&lt;br /&gt;
On the same day, just hours before, &lt;a href="http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/embraer-facing-slack-years-jp-morgan/" target="_blank"&gt;Embraer was downgraded by JP Morgan&lt;/a&gt;, citing less deliveries for commercial aircraft in the coming years than forecasted previously. In fact the backlog of the EJets decreased dramatically since it's highest level in 2008, prior to the Lehman debacle, when 466 firm unfilled orders were in the books. Since then the backlog declined to just 178 in the 3rd quarter of 2012 and likely declined further until the end of the year.&lt;br /&gt;
Embraer lost the last large campaign against Bombardier when Delta ordered 40 CRJ900 with further options. and Skywest opted for the MRJ90 and ordered 100 of them with an option for up to 100 more (they will be delivered starting in 2017, so it would not have helped to up production short term).&lt;br /&gt;
More campaigns are looming at American and United, so there are some opportunities for Embraer to bridge the (time) gap. Especially as&amp;nbsp;in 2014&amp;nbsp;there is a midlife upgrade named Plus coming to market. This should better fuel burn by some 5% on the E175 and 3% on the E190 and E195. New winglets and some aerodynamic cleanup will do the trick here. Also maintenance&amp;nbsp; intervals for A- and C-Checks will be increased to lower maintenance costs. A new cabin will also increase passenger comfort.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href="http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/embraer-to-revamp-e-jet-with-geared-turbofans-new-wings-fly-by-wire-380821/" target="_blank"&gt;But as Teal Group Vice President Richard Aboulafia points out&lt;/a&gt;, an EIS in 2018 seems a litte late: the Bombardier CSeries will now enter service in mid 2014, the MRJ in late 2015, the A320neo in 2015, the B737MAX in late 2017.&lt;br /&gt;
So with only just a little bit of production overlap between the first and the second generation of EJets (say one year), Embraer would need orders worth six years of production&amp;nbsp; - at the current (2012) level of production around 600 orders. But Paulo Cesar de Souza e Silva, Head of Commercial Aviation at&amp;nbsp;Embraer says there would be a&lt;a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/08/prattwhitney-embraer-idUSL1E9C8DXJ20130108" target="_blank"&gt; three to four year overlap&lt;/a&gt;. Personally I highly doubt that we will see a CF34 powered EJet delivered in 2022.&lt;br /&gt;
Embraer&amp;nbsp;claims to have a further 468 options for the EJets, but I guess not too many of them will be turned into form orders as these stem from pre 2008 times, where there was a boom (if not a bubble)&amp;nbsp;in orders.&lt;br /&gt;
So why did Pratt win the engine competition: Embraer VP Silva said that this&amp;nbsp;was due to "commercial and&amp;nbsp;technical considerations".&lt;br /&gt;
The technical superiority of the GTF concept is not really a surprise. There are some doubts about the LEAP concept of GE, as the larger bypass ratio means more LPT stages and the smaller core higher temperatures. And RR seems to be too far behind in the development of a new two spool engine, as they concentrated on the big three spool engines lately.&lt;br /&gt;
The question is why GE was not able to beat PW financially, especially as GECAS is an important customer for the EJets today.&lt;br /&gt;
Maybe it was a matter of "risk management": the GTF development and testing is now in full swing, with the PW1500G for the CSeries close to certification. The PW1200G is "waiting" for the airframe, but also tested on ground and in flight. And the first PW1100G for the A320neo is&amp;nbsp;also in the test phase. So&amp;nbsp;the two competitors to the&amp;nbsp;EJets, the MRJ on the lower side and the CSeries&amp;nbsp;on the upper&amp;nbsp;end, will&amp;nbsp;at least not fail&amp;nbsp;because of the engines. But what if Embraer would have chosen an engine that has not yet shown that it works and potentially fails (even if it would be better than the PurePower family engines on paper)?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;The EJets would be dead immediately. So taking the same engines as the competitor is the safe way to go - and it worked previously when Embraer chose the CF34-8 for the E170/E175, competing with the CRJ700/CRJ900 with the same engine.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GoVCzf6fOaI/UO1EYNR9ICI/AAAAAAAACHo/oHEjksR840M/s1600/e-jet-concept-2013-704x396%255B1%255D.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="360" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GoVCzf6fOaI/UO1EYNR9ICI/AAAAAAAACHo/oHEjksR840M/s640/e-jet-concept-2013-704x396%255B1%255D.jpg" width="640" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"&gt;Illustration of 2nd gerneration EJet (Credit: Embraer)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;
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