A Guide to Where we can Scatter Cremated Remains Over Land in CA.

We often get asked about where we can release ashes by airplane over land. California law requires that we have written permission from the property owner or governing agency to scatter over land locations.

Over the past 20 years, we have worked with many types of agencies to arrange scatterings cremated remains over land. We work with State Parks, National Parks, Conservancies, and private property owners. It has been our experience that some agencies are more open to scattering cremated remains than other agencies.

Ash Scattering over California State Parks

California State Parks have a written statute that allows for scattering of cremated remains, with the Park Superintendent having the final say about where and when it is permitted. The main considerations for California State Parks include the overall size of the park and whether there is good area for the scattering that would be away from lakes and streams and not bother other park visitors. Also, the State Parks will not allow scattering of ashes over an area where Native American Remains have been discovered. There is usually an application process that the family must complete, and A Journey With Wings can help with that. It usually takes about a week to obtain permission to scatter cremated remains over a California State Park.

Ash Scattering over National Parks

National Parks have been less predictable than California State Parks. Ultimately, it is solely up to the Park Superintendent to determine if scattering over the park will be permitted. Some National Parks are very accommodating with scattering cremated remains, but others do not allow it at all. Some require a written letter requesting permission from the family, and others have a downloadable permit on their website to fill out and send in. If a National Park encompasses Native American lands and burial sites, scattering cremated remains is not usually an accepted activity.

Ash Scattering over Nature Conservancies

Nature Conservancies are independent of one another and do not have a standard policy. I have found that Nature Conservancies are often open to allow us to release ashes by airplane over their property if the deceased had a connection to the area and enjoyed visiting.

Ash scattering over Bureau of Land Management and National Forests

We have not had success getting written permission from National Forests or land overseen by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM). Neither agency is against scattering cremated remains, but they will not give written permission to do so. Therefore, scattering over National Forest or BLM land in California is not be possible at this time. It could be possible to scatter over these types of areas in states that do not require written permission from the property owner or governing agency. For example, we can release ashes by airplane over the eastern side of the Sierra Nevada mountains on the Nevada side of Lake Tahoe, but not over the western side that is in California.

So what can you do? The best thing to do is reach out to us to find out what is possible and how to obtain a permit. The laws do change on occasion, as do the Park Superintendents, so the locations where we offer aerial scatterings also change from time to time.

We hope this information on where we can release ashes by airplane helps. Please reach out to us if you have any questions about specific locations and we will try to help.

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At A Journey With Wings we scatter cremated remains by airplane. We offer services that are either unwitnessed, witnessed form the ground or you can participate in the scattering on board the plane. Our most popular service is the witnesses scattering.

On the witnessed scattering family and friends gather at a location near the release area. We time the flight so that those on the ground can be present at the time of the release. The cremated remains make an elegant twist as they leave the airplane before they descend to the earth below.

We scatter over many locations such as state parks national parks, and at sea. On our witnessed scattering flights. Families will gather at beaches, piers, trail heads and even parking lots to watch the release. We often get asked; “what is the best location for witnessing the scattering”. The answer is that it is different for each individual family based on their needs. For example, does the family have mobility issues? How many people are in the group witnessing the scattering? Will the family have children in the group? Does the family want to hike in to see it? Are they capable of hiking in? Are they going to want a place that will be easy to return to and remember their loved-one. These are the questions I ask families to consider:

If the group is large we need to consider a location that has enough room not only for the number of people to comfortable be present but we also need to consider How many cars will you need parking for and will the parking need to be close to the location?

Are there mobility issues for any of your guests? If so, what accommodation would be best. Some families need a location where the can watch close to the parking area. Other families are happy to hike in.

Will there be children present? If there are children present is there a safe area for them to run around. Some of the beach locations we use have play equipment and large grassy areas. One of our most popular scatteirg location is a scattering at sea off the coast of Palos Verdes, in front of the Point Fermin Light House. There is a large grassy area along with a play area for children.

One of the benefits of scattering by airplane near an area where you can witness the scatter is that you can return there to remember your loved one. Think of a location that you would like to have as your special place to return and remember. This is important to remember when choosing to scatter at sea. Scattering by boat would make it difficult to return and remember. When you scatter by air it is much easier to return to the location.

Families often want to have a service on location prior to the scattering service. Some families want chairs and canopies available on site. Some may want a sound system for the officiant. This usually requires a permit from the agency that governs the location. This is usually a process that take some time and therefore we need to consider not only the location but the date of the scattering. State Parks and State Beaches are nice to work with for this. They have a process in place for obtaining permits for an event.

For all the reasons above Sometimes we suggest the scattering location itself based on what the witnessing options are. Instead of picking the ideal scattering location and then finding a way to witness, we think of the ideal witness location and do the scattering near that location.

We often reach out the Park superintendent for information on locations. They are more familiar with the locations. Often times the witnessing location is outside of the park limits or in an entirely different park. For example, we often scatter over the Santa Ana Mountains in Orange County, CA. The area we are scattering over is rugged and not accessible. There is a lovely park at the base of the mountain called O’Neill Park. It has a wonderful viewing area with park benches, shade trees and close parking.

We hope this information helps. Please contact us if you would like suggestions on the perfect location to witness your creamed remains scattering service.

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Several pilots that know what I do sent this article to me. It is an excellent example why you should not try scattering ashes on your own from an airplane, and why you should not ask a pilot friend or family member to try this for you:

https://www.avweb.com/insider/a-brief-history-of-dispersals-over-iowadahos-wilderness/

When I tell other pilots what I do, I almost always get to hear their stories about what happened to them or to a pilot they know when they attempted to scatter ashes from their airplane. The story usually goes something like this: “Oh, I tried that once for a family member. We opened the bag of ashes, stuck it out the window, and all the ashes came right back in on us”. And even more tragic, sometimes the loved one of the deceased is in the plane with them, and they get covered with the ashes too. Even worse, because the ashes do have some mass and grit to them, they can damage the paint and control surfaces of the plane as they swirl out. And if you accidentally let go of the bag, it can stick to the stabilizer or rudder. Most pilots were not aware of the forces at play or the potential complications, so the attempted scattering ended in a memory they did not want but are happy to share with me.

Please do not try to scatter the ashes of a loved from an airplane if you have not done it before. It will most likely go badly and that will be the memory you and their loved ones will have forever. Please hire a professional or talk to a professional beforehand. We want your memories of this important event to be good ones. When done properly, scattering the ashes from an airplane of your loved one will be a beautiful memory.

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We have scattered cremated remains by airplane for over 21 years, and we have always tried to stay current with all Federal, State, and local regulations. One of the questions we get asked most often is, “Do we need a permit to scatter ashes?” In California, the answer is yes, and in some cases, you need more than one permit. And some instances you may not only need a permit, you may also need written permission for the location.

In California, each decedent gets a Burial Permit. This permit documents what you are going to do with the body or with the cremated remains, as well as the Place of Disposition – where the body or cremated remains will go. If the body will be buried, the burial permit will show the address of the cemetery. If the body will be cremated, the permit will list the address where the cremated remains are going. If cremated remains are to be scattered, the burial permit must document the location where they are to be scattered. This permit is obtained from the County Health Department. The permit can be amended to change the Place of Disposition if needed, such as in situations where cremated remains were kept at home for some time, but then an aerial scattering was planned. In California, any County Health Department can change a Burial Permit for a different County Health Department. And the funeral director or A Journey With Wings can help get the permit amended properly.

In California, if you are going to scatter the cremated remains at sea, the Burial Permit must reflect the closest county in which the cremated remains will be scattered. Scattering at sea cannot take place within 500 yards of the shoreline, including along the inland navigable waters of the state. Regulations for scattering at sea do not include lakes and streams, nor do they regulate scattering from a bridge or pier (HSC 7117c).

If you wish to scatter over land, it gets a little more complicated. California law requires that you obtain written permission from the property owner or governing agency to scatter over the specific land location. We work with many types of entities to obtain permission to scatter over land, including State Parks, National Parks, Conservancies, and private property owners.

It is our experience that some agencies are more open to scattering cremated remains than others. For example, California State Parks have a written statute that allows for scattering of cremated remains, with the Park Superintendent having the final say about where and when it is permitted. The main considerations for California State parks include the overall size of the park and whether there is good area for the scattering that would be away from lakes and streams and not bother other park visitors. Also, the State Parks will not allow scatterings over an area where Native American Remains have been discovered. There is usually an application process that the family must complete, and A Journey With Wings can help with that. It usually takes about a week to obtain permission to scatter cremated remains over a California State Park.

National Parks have been less predictable than California State Parks. Ultimately, it is solely up to the Park Superintendent to determine if scattering over the park will be permitted. Some National Parks are very accommodating with scattering cremated remains, but others do not allow it at all. Some require a written letter requesting permission from the family, and others have a downloadable permit on their website to fill out and send in.

Nature Conservancies are independent of one another and do not have a standard policy. I have found that Nature Conservancies are often open to allow an aerial scattering over their property if the deceased had a connection to the area.

We have not had success getting written permission from National Forests or land managed by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM). Neither agency is against scattering cremated remains, but they will not give written permission. Therefore, scattering over National Forest or BLM land in California is not possible at this time. It could be possible to scatter over these types of areas in states that do not require written permission from the property owner or governing agency.

We hope this information is helpful. Please reach out to us if you have any questions about specific locations and we will try to help.

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My name is Jamie, and I am a commercial pilot. I am the founder and President of A Journey With Wings. My company scatters cremated remains by airplane. We have provided this service to the Southern California area for 20 years. I often get asked, “How do I scatter ashes from an airplane?” It’s a complicated issue that requires a deeper dive.

There are two main components to scattering cremated remains from an airplane. One involves the legal aspects of scattering cremated remains from an airplane, which is often complex due to the governing agencies involved. The second is the physical act of performing the scattering.

First, let’s look at the legality of scattering cremated remains from an airplane. The FAA does not specifically address scattering cremated remains in its regulations. We need to follow the regulations and delve into the interpretations to more fully understand the FAA’s position on scattering ashes from an airplane.

The area in the FARs that starts to address scattering cremated remains by airplane is Part 91.15 Dropping objects. No pilot in command of a civil aircraft may allow any object to be dropped from that aircraft in flight that creates a hazard to persons or property.

However, this section does not prohibit the dropping of any object if reasonable precautions are taken to avoid injury or damage to persons or property.  There is no specific FAR that addresses cremated remains. However, we can turn to Letters of Interpretation from the FAA to determine that the FAA has addressed scattering cremated remains as an accepted activity. The letters don’t address the legality of scattering, but it is assumed because they go further and address whether the act of scattering cremated remains is Part 91 or Part 135.

This is an excerpt from a letter to Charles Harris, Esq., in 2009: “The Chief Counsel has determined that the disposal of cremated human remains for compensation is an aerial work operation excepted by Section119.1(e) from the requirement that the operator hold a certificate authorizing operation under Part 135.”

We can assume that the FAA considers the spreading of cremated remains an accepted activity and that it is done under Part 91 if done for hire. The letter to Jamie Tanabe dated September 17, 2009 from the Los Angeles Flight Standards District office states: “As we discussed on September 17, 2009 the spreading of human and animal remains from an aircraft is an activity the Federal Aviation Administration has determined may be accomplished under Part 91 of the Federal Aviation Regulations.” So in other words, Part 91 is commercial air work. And if you are doing this for compensation, you need a commercial license.

Besides the FAA regulations, there are various other regulations that govern scattering of cremated remains. There are EPA regulations as well as State and local laws. For example, where I am in California you have to have a Burial Permit issued from the County Health Department for the scattering. Often, the existing burial permit needs to be amended to reflect where the ashes will be spread. In California, you must apply for and maintain a Cremated Remains Disposer permit. If you plan to scatter over land in California, you will need written permission from the land owner or governing agency. This is not true for every state. You need to know and follow the laws in your area. You do not want to find out that, although you were successful with completing the scattering, you broke the law.

Now that we know the legality of it, let’s talk about how to accomplish it. First of all, I strongly suggest that you do not do this for the first time with a loved one’s cremated remains. It most likely won’t go well. You do not need to hang around an airport too long to hear horror stories of people trying to scatter ashes from an airplane, and it almost never goes well. When other pilots hear that I do this professionally, they can’t wait to tell me stories of scatterings gone wrong. It would be funny if it weren’t also sad. I would encourage you to practice before trying it for the first time.

Cremated remains do not have the consistency of campfire ashes. They come in many forms. They are often coarse, like kitty litter, but sometimes they are fine, like powder. It is helpful to practice with something that has the same consistence of the cremated remains you are scattering.

Also, think about how the air circulates around inside an airplane. If you try to just empty a bag of cremated remains out the window or door, you will most likely have them blow right back in at you. You and your cabin will end up covered in the ashes you were trying to scatter. You will be cleaning the cremated remains off of you and your airplane for a long time. It will not be a memory that you cherish.

Next, think about the slipstream – the layer of air that rotates around your airplane in flight. The slipstream will circulate the cremated remains around your airplane if you do not get them past that boundary layer. The slipstream could send the cremated remains right back into the cockpit or onto the side of your plane, or worse, into the moving parts of your horizontal or vertical stabilizer. If the cremated remains are coarse, they could remove paint.

So how do you get the cremated remains past the boundary layer? Well, that depends on what type of airplane you have. Each aircraft model is different. I patented a device that works wonderfully in my high wing Cessna. You can contact me to purchase the device or you can experiment on your own. The critical thing is for you to get the cremated remains past the boundary layer. There are many different ways that this can be done. I have performed scatterings from a few different aircraft. The following AOPA article may give you some ideas: https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2018/may/pilot/technique-spreading-ashes

After you have found what method works best for you and you have practiced with something that has the same consistency as the cremated remains you are going to scatter, you need to prepare the actual cremated remains for scattering. You can’t just take the urn that holds the cremated remains and scatter directly from it. The cremated remains are usually inside a plastic bag within the urn. The plastic bag is typically closed with a zip tie. There is usually a metal identification disc inside the urn as well. If this metal disc is not secured to the outside of the bag on the zip tie, it will be inside the bag with the cremated remains. You need to find it and remove it. Referring back to Part 91.15, you should not drop this metal object from a plane as it could injure someone on the ground. Also, there may be other metal objects mixed in with the cremated remains. If the deceased had metal objects inside their body, they will not be cremated, and they may end up inside the bag of cremated remains. You must remove these objects before scattering.

Is this all a little too much? I can help. I offer a consultation service that will help you safely and legally perform a one-time scattering. If you use a Cessna, the consultation service includes the scattering device. If you do not use a Cessna, it includes advice on other options we have tried in other aircraft. The consultation service also includes my assistance to determine the laws in your area so that you can complete the scattering legally.

If you are looking to start a scattering service of your own, I have a business consultation service that also includes ongoing mentoring on the business elements critical to a successful scattering service. I will pass along pearls that I have learned over the years so you can have quicker success and avoid some of the pitfalls that I had to navigate.

I hope this blog helped you understand how to scatter cremated remains from an airplane. It is a complex issue both physically and legally. I hope I helped you understand what you are getting into. Please do not do this without practicing first. You do not want to end up with the ashes of the person you are trying to scatter all over you, your cockpit, and your airplane.

With some care, research, and practice you can successfully scatter cremated remains from an airplane.

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What To Say When Scattering Ashes

“What do we say when scattering the ashes?” Is a question I get a lot from my clients. After working intimately with families for 20 years, I have learned a few things from past clients about how they chose to memorialize their loved one. I’d like to share what I have learned in the blog post.

At a Journey with Wings we scatter cremated remains by airplane. Our service is a beautiful and unique way to memorialize your loved one, and it also gives you options for social distancing.  Families have many options for designing their individualized service.  Our service allows time for the family to express their feelings and say some words.

So, what have we learned about what some of these families have chosen.   What they say seems to be shaped by three main things: the life of the person you are honoring, who is in attendance, and what scattering service option you have chosen.

When asked, I always suggest mentioning why you chose to scatter their ashes. What was it about your loved one that makes scattering their cremated remains by airplane the right choice?  For example, were they a free spirit and being released into the wind matches their life?  Maybe it gives you peace to know that the ashes are scattered on the winds to travel wherever they are carried.  Does the location where they are being scattered have significance?  Perhaps you chose the location because you feel close to them there, and maybe you plan to return there in remembrance of your loved one.

You may also want to consider any religious affiliation of the deceased or those in attendance. Would your loved one want prayers or scripture recited at the service?  Did they have any special beliefs or favorite scripture?  Prayers and scripture may give comfort to family and friends attending the service.  You might also consider poems that express the nature of your loved one, something that speaks to who they are.  Families have asked us to say specific words at the time we release the ashes from the plane.  There are some examples here that may help you find a perfect fit for your service.

Another way families choose to memorialize their loved one is through music.  Perhaps your loved one had a special song or artist.  Music has a special way of expressing feelings and stirring emotions, and we often coordinate the release of the ashes with music played in the background.

The suggestions I give are based on what families have expressed to me.  For more in-depth advice on what to say, I turned to a professional, Mr. Dan Burchart.  Dan is an officiant, and is associated with the Wayfarers Chapel in Palos Verdes, CA.  We coordinated memorial services with him on the ground with the family while I was in the air.  When I asked him for some words of wisdom, this is what he said: “In making a selection for a meaningful message to share at an aerial scattering, I work with families to personalize something appropriate that would reflect hope in life beyond the human experience.  The transition from this life to the next is a universal passage, shrouded in mystery but we need not face this experience with fear.  We can call upon what we know about the spiritual realm and nature to find hope in such times.”  Dan has generously provided a list of memorial readings that he uses during cremated remains scattering services.  You can see it below.

The other thing to consider is when to say your chosen words during the scattering service.  In my opinion, it would be different for a witnessed scattering or the private scattering.

In our Witnessed Scattering Service, we call you before we depart. We do this to make sure everything is ready at your location before we take off.  We would rather wait on the ground for a few minutes rather than have someone miss it because they couldn’t find parking.  For most locations in our Southern California service area, we try to contact you about 30 minutes before the scheduled scattering time.  This allows for the perfect window to say some words of remembrance.  Some families have told us that the time immediately following the scattering was perfect for quiet reflection, and others said they felt celebratory and joyous feelings after watching the release of the ashes.

In our Private Scattering Service, there are often family members on board the plane participating with us.  There are specific things to do on the flight to prepare for and perform the scattering.  The family members often want to say a few words, and on the Private Scattering Service we recommend waiting until after the ashes have been released.  We have the technology on board the aircraft to play music on the headsets, so you can choose the music you want to play during the service.

I hope this information helps you determine what to say when scattering ashes.  Please feel free to reach out with any questions or to schedule a service.

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Poems and Prayers for Scattering Ashes

Poems for Scattering Ashes

HI Flight, by John Gillespie Magee (see below).

“Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth,
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I’ve climbed and joined the tumbling mirth of sun-split clouds –
and done a hundred things You have not dreamed of –
wheeled and soared and swung high in the sunlit silence.
Hovering there I’ve chased the shouting wind along
and flung my eager craft through footless halls of air.

“Up, up the long delirious burning blue
I’ve topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace,
where never lark, or even eagle, flew;
and, while with silent, lifting mind I’ve trod
the high trespassed sanctity of space,
put out my hand and touched the face of God.”

Miss Me but Let Me Go, by Anonymous

When I come to the end of the road,
and the sun has set for me
I want no rites in a gloom-filled room,
why cry for a soul set free?

Miss me a little but not too long
and not with your head bowed low.
Remember the love that we once shared
miss me but let me go.

For this is a journey that we all must take
and each must go alone
It’s all a part of the Master’s plan
a step on the road to home.

When you are lonely and sick at heart,
Go to the friends we know,
And bury your sorrow in doing good deeds,
Miss me, but let me go.

Prayers for Scattering Ashes

 Psalm 107:13-14

“Then they cried to the Lord in their trouble, and he delivered them from their distress. He brought them out of darkness and the shadow of death, and burst their bonds apart.”

Psalm 23:4

“Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.”

John 5:24

“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.”

John 3:16–17

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.”

Revelation 21:4

“He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

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5 Reasons Burial at Sea is Better By Airplane

More location options

We offer our sea scattering service all along the Southern California Coast between Santa Barbara and San Diego. Because of this you can choose the location and the setting that is right for your group. Do you want it at a very busy beach bustling with life, or at a quiet location with a gazebo on the cliff? You might want a location where everyone stands with their feet in the sand to watch, or you may want to put out chairs on a grass-covered park. The choices are unlimited. We recommend choosing a location that suits the life of your loved one, somewhere that you can re-visit in the future.

Unlimited number of people can attend for the same cost

Our witnessed scattering allows families to watch from the shore as the cremated remains are released over the ocean. There are large open spaces at many of our most popular viewing locations allowing for an unlimited number of people to be in attendance. This means an unlimited number of people can attend the scattering service.  These wide-open spaces allow families to spread out and socially distance.

Good for all members of the family

Family members of all ages and needs can attend a scattering at sea by airplane. Kids have wide-open space at the beach or park so they can run and play. Older members of the family can participate even if they need assistance with a wheelchair or walker. Also, no one can get sea sick when witnessing from the ground. Some family members may not want to participate if they know they get seasick. When you add in the emotions of sadness and grief, the feeling of nausea can increase.

Takes less time

A scattering at sea by airplane takes about 15 minutes from the time the plane arrives to the time the scattering is over. Of course, we recommend getting there early to comfortably allow time to find parking and walk to the location. This gives you time to socialize before and after the scattering. Many of our families plan a celebration of life after the scattering service at a nearby restaurant or church. A boat scattering typically takes half a day to complete.

Easy to return and remember

Our witnessed scattering service is performed off shore, close enough where those standing on the shore can see the plane release the cremated remains. We can help you choose a great location to witness the release. If you want to return to visit the same beautiful location in the future, it is easy to return and peer out across the ocean and remember the beautiful day. Our clients often tell us that their friends and family were so impressed with how memorable and unique the service was.

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FULLERTON, CA (May 4,2020) – A Journey With Wings, an aerial ash scattering service, is offering a free memorial package to families whose loved ones have passed away due to COVID-19. Families who wish to say farewell to their loved ones can receive a free unwitnessed ash scattering service through the end of 2020.

The limited-time offer includes an unwitnessed ash scattering service of the cremated remains at sea by airplane off the coast of Los Angeles or Orange County for any Californian who passed away from the COVID-19 this year, free of charge. The package also includes a commemorative digital certificate of the scattering and filing of paperwork with the appropriate county, State, and Federal agencies. There may be a nominal fee to amend the permit with the Health Department prior to the scattering, but only in rare cases.

Those wishing to upgrade to a location outside of the above, or for those who reside outside of California, A Journey With Wings will allow families the option to upgrade their memorial package to personalize their farewell and make it as unique as the life of their loved one.

A few of A Journey With Wings’s most popular destinations for services include Catalina Island, Santa Monica Mountains, Santa Ana Mountains, Indio Hills, Grand Canyon National Park, and Zion National Park. A complete list of approved locations is available on the website. From the mountains to the sea, this special farewell is a safe and memorable way for families to say goodbye to their loved ones in a beautiful setting and ceremony.

“When a loved one passes, we know it’s a difficult time for families, and during this time period it’s even more challenging,” said president and pilot, Jamie Tanabe. “A Journey With Wings is proud to provide a special farewell at no charge to those impacted by the coronavirus, allowing families to uphold social distancing guidelines while celebrating a life well lived.”

For families interested in learning more about this service, please contact A Journey With Wings at jamie@ajourneywithwings.com. To learn about additional services and offerings, please visit www.ajourneywithwings.com

About A Journey With Wings
Founded by a father-daughter pilot team, A Journey With Wings is a family business dedicated to scattering cremated remains by airplane. Since 2002, A Journey With Wings has helped over 2,000 families put their loved ones to rest in a meaningful way. A Journey With Wings seeks to bring a personalized farewell with locations and participation options that are as unique as the life of the loved ones they help lay to rest.

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